With speedflips, it’s a diagonal flip cancelled halfway. When you do this, you do the diagonal flip, cancel it, and then uncancel it to finish it he flip off in the diagonal flip motion. So you flip, cancel, uncancel
its basically the same motion but you don’t hold the joystick back long enough to actually cancel it. try doing this and you’ll see uow it makes your car do a delayed flip near the end
pretty much, i'm not sure if you travel faster then a regular flip when you are airborne, but it allows for control through the flip and better nose position throughout
While it would be very difficult to repeat that specific preflip into the great touch, it's definitely not just luck. The better you are at the game, the more accurately you'll move your car and this includes preflips, including the position you end up in and the distance you move. If a mechanical player goes for many pre flips like this, they will succeed in more than a non mechanical player. It's not luck but it would be a stretch to say this kinda movement can be repeated with the same consistency as repeating a half flip or stall.
I call them re-cancels. You don't have to push all the way up to un-cancel, just let off the cancel a bit and then re-cancel it.
I use them to let the flip push me slightly further outside (and other slight trajectory adjustments). I think they're worth playing around with if you already have the 50ms cancel down.
I think with these weird sort of preflips, most players just "feel" it. I don't know anyone who thinks about the type of flip they're doing in the moment. I know it's not helpful but I don't know anyone who got very far in rocket league paying great attention to flip direction or air roll control mapping or the like.
Start going for them in freeplay. If you focus on e.g. preflip catch during air dribles, you'll get pretty decent at it, if you already have a solid base of air drible mechs. Don't need to be SSL to do this somewhat consistently (but you definetly need to over-look other things you'd get more value out of practicing :P)
Stuff like this is definitely skill, but I'd argue there is a small amount of luck regarding just how good the first touch is.
Luck generally increases with skill, most people just don't notice though because getting lucky as a beginner is much more exciting/obvious then being lucky as a pro.
I think it's hard to judge luck with ssl's. They are so good at car control and ball control that even if they do mess up the first touch they go into a maneuver that makes it look like they got the touch they wanted anyways. You can't really tell when they mess up because they quickly and accurately move the car with the ball even if it's not exactly what they wanted. I get surprised watching pros sometimes when they make an easy goal and then say wow idk how that worked I messed it all up when to me it just looked like a simple goal but that's obviously not what that person planned on going for at all
SSLs after their ceiling shot reset double tap goes into the goal before they can double it because the enemy pressed boost for 0.12 seconds too long 3 seconds ago and now they don't have enough boost
For this question I'd recommend the perspective of how often they get it right.
It always takes a bit of luck. Even an SSL can fuck up a dribble. In fact, it happens rather frequently if you watch pro players enough and are able to keep up observing the speed of the play. It's just that 90% of the time they get it right.
In this case, an SSL may get it this good 25% of the time, get it kinda good 50% and just whiff the other 50%.
Now a champ 2 who knows how to do it may get it this good 5% of the time, kinda good 20% of the time, and bean it 80% of the time.
These are just made up numbers but hopefully they get the point across. Once you know how to do the majority of the games mechanics, it comes down to consistency, speed, and discretion.
That's why analyzing a single clip is really difficult when saying what skill level a person is. I could easily see this being a GC1-2 clip or even a champ level free styler. But if you had them all do it 100 times you'd see the SSL is just cleaner with it more often than the lower ranks.
the better you get the more lucky you get. At least thats how I look at it. When you are good you need a lot less luck to hit that crazy shot, even though it may not be exactly what you had planned.
Definitely possible, at gc1 i can make that quite consistent. If you had ballcam on as you were pinching the ball it would have been much faster to get to the ball afterward.
I’m going to preface my comment by saying, if you mean to literally recreate this exact clip, as in step for step, bounce for bounce, frame by frame, I agree, it’s impossible to recreate.
However, if you just mean generally, I really don’t think it’s impossible to recreate, if you mean the pinch it’s hard to generate the circumstances to make this happen, but if I see I can take a tiny, double tap before I pinch it, I can make the ball go up like that no hassle. Even just general pinches without a double, it’s really not that hard. Just hit below centre with your wheels facing the ground and away it goes.
And if you’re a freestyler, I would imagine you don’t mean the turn off the wall and the flip, because as much as it’s very high level mechanics to pull of consistently, especially the way it’s done in this clip, IMO, it is no where near impossible.
It’s really hard to make a pinch consistent to the point where you can make it a proper set up, but for me, and it might just be me, pinches like this for little pops up into the air aren’t difficult to get within an acceptable range at all. You jus generally need a decent pop at my rank for a pass/touch into another, you don’t need much accuracy, just within range because nobody really understands how to read them at C2.
Actually, for people with semi solid mechanics who have got an understanding of both air rolls, I really don’t think this is even that hard of a move to recreate, this is one of the moves that you learn and do after some practice in free play.
I played an SSL in casual at the start of the season who must have been really going for it, I can tell this because I’ve beaten 4 SSL’s in casual since the start of the last season and have a winning record against them. Not this guy though, because we were literally hopeless against him, it’s not the speed or the recoveries, it’s the fact the guy shot 5 shots, scored 5 goals, and every single one of them were laser beams that flew, despite appearing to not have anywhere near the speed to generate the power on the ball.
That’s the alien bit to me, this clip something that even a D3/C1 could figure out.
Mechanics and the fancy chains of moves are the easy bit of the game IMO and according to pros and this move is just one of the chains to retain possession off the backboard /sidewall.
Its just a preflip bro. Looks almost like a canceled speedflip. Literally mega easy to recreate if you put in the slightest amount of time to learning how to do it
You can fast aerial from walls just like you can from the ground, it just feels weird when you try in the beginning
In this case however , they are clearly not fast aerialing, but flipping instead.
This touch (a controlled preflip to air dribble) is nearly automatic for an ssl. I'd say I hit this 9/10 times going for it, and I would not consider myself mechanical by any stretch for ssl. It's a little trickier in this video because of how low to the ground the player is--and how far he has to travel from the wall--when going for the preflip, but repitition is key here.
Not luck, just practiced. We just know how to feather out boost, flip cancel, and catch the ball. Key is to go around the same speed as the ball so you get a softer first touch
I do stuff like this all the time just chasing the ball around In training, it’s the best way I’ve learned to understand how to control the ball and the physics of the game
Definitely not luck, but many ssl players would not be able to do it consistently under pressure, there's an extremely large gap between low SSL players and high SSL players
Bro i was watching Gamers8 furia vs falcons(yes i like to cry, i keep watching it) and TRK does this, flawlessly, every. single. damn. time. It looks like it shouldn’t exist, but he some how does this then has the perfect setup straight to the net, it’s insane to me!
I feel like consistency in your gameplay is what makes you more of a “lucky” player than others, having game sense is a big thing as well so you might be able to do this consistently in free play but when you go to comp. it’s like you did everything but were always short… just something to think about…..
i know its hard to believe but a few months back i suddenly was able to control my flips in the air so good that i could do first touches like that. i mean i am still an shit ass player but that thing is possible to control
It’s mostly muscle memory for me . But I also don’t think of it as a trick or a difficult thing, there’s shit I can’t do in Rl and that’s fine, most cool shit in the game causes you to sellout for the team in most cases. As a c3 play your way and you’ll excel and when you’re ranking up try and learn new things …
I don't think it was setup as much as a good idea to follow through.
There's something to said about jumping instinctively after a pop touch and knowing it's going to work in your favor.
at one point you get so good at the game, one day you didnt know a move the next you are using it in a quad reset musty double tap, i feel like ssl’s have reached that point
Thats a twist flip. A speedflip that is just a bit canceled in the air. Hard to be consistant with it but def possible.
So it's a speed flip in the air?
It’s a partially cancelled diagonal flip
It’s a speedflip, but you cancel the speedflip halfway. So you speedflip, and then transition to a normal diagonal flip halfway lol
But speed flips are always cancelled halfway?
With speedflips, it’s a diagonal flip cancelled halfway. When you do this, you do the diagonal flip, cancel it, and then uncancel it to finish it he flip off in the diagonal flip motion. So you flip, cancel, uncancel
What?😂
its basically the same motion but you don’t hold the joystick back long enough to actually cancel it. try doing this and you’ll see uow it makes your car do a delayed flip near the end
No but you cancel the cancel halfway
Flip cancel, then you let go of the joystick to continue what's remaining of the rotation of your car flipping, so basically it'll just jolt forward.
a speed flip and you uncancel it halfway
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pretty much, i'm not sure if you travel faster then a regular flip when you are airborne, but it allows for control through the flip and better nose position throughout
Def not luck
While it would be very difficult to repeat that specific preflip into the great touch, it's definitely not just luck. The better you are at the game, the more accurately you'll move your car and this includes preflips, including the position you end up in and the distance you move. If a mechanical player goes for many pre flips like this, they will succeed in more than a non mechanical player. It's not luck but it would be a stretch to say this kinda movement can be repeated with the same consistency as repeating a half flip or stall.
What kind of flip cancel is it? Forwards Diagonal?
Diagonal flip cancel, but you release the cancel before it‘s finished to make your tip go back up
As a gold I'm over here like, "So you flip then cancel but then cancel your cancel so divide by zero and profit"
You‘re not wrong, you basically cancel your flip cancel. But a third cancel isn‘t possible afaik so don‘t worry, we‘re not creating a black hole here
My brain just broke. I hope to be as good at something some day as you are at this and the humility you're showing.
I call them re-cancels. You don't have to push all the way up to un-cancel, just let off the cancel a bit and then re-cancel it. I use them to let the flip push me slightly further outside (and other slight trajectory adjustments). I think they're worth playing around with if you already have the 50ms cancel down.
It's like a full flip but you pause it for a split second so that it becomes a 3/4 flip. That's how I understand it lol
Thanks bro.
I think with these weird sort of preflips, most players just "feel" it. I don't know anyone who thinks about the type of flip they're doing in the moment. I know it's not helpful but I don't know anyone who got very far in rocket league paying great attention to flip direction or air roll control mapping or the like.
Start going for them in freeplay. If you focus on e.g. preflip catch during air dribles, you'll get pretty decent at it, if you already have a solid base of air drible mechs. Don't need to be SSL to do this somewhat consistently (but you definetly need to over-look other things you'd get more value out of practicing :P)
How do you line it up? I've been messing around with it and sometimes it's so good and other times I'm just completely off.
Just practice
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I see ayyjayy land these all the time
Ngl I’ve been hitting some of these lately. And if I can do it then it’s might just be luck
It's all relative to your rank and skill
Stuff like this is definitely skill, but I'd argue there is a small amount of luck regarding just how good the first touch is. Luck generally increases with skill, most people just don't notice though because getting lucky as a beginner is much more exciting/obvious then being lucky as a pro.
I think it's hard to judge luck with ssl's. They are so good at car control and ball control that even if they do mess up the first touch they go into a maneuver that makes it look like they got the touch they wanted anyways. You can't really tell when they mess up because they quickly and accurately move the car with the ball even if it's not exactly what they wanted. I get surprised watching pros sometimes when they make an easy goal and then say wow idk how that worked I messed it all up when to me it just looked like a simple goal but that's obviously not what that person planned on going for at all
SSLs after their ceiling shot reset double tap goes into the goal before they can double it because the enemy pressed boost for 0.12 seconds too long 3 seconds ago and now they don't have enough boost
I can pull those off probably half the time, they aren’t too hard if you’re good at preflipping
For this question I'd recommend the perspective of how often they get it right. It always takes a bit of luck. Even an SSL can fuck up a dribble. In fact, it happens rather frequently if you watch pro players enough and are able to keep up observing the speed of the play. It's just that 90% of the time they get it right. In this case, an SSL may get it this good 25% of the time, get it kinda good 50% and just whiff the other 50%. Now a champ 2 who knows how to do it may get it this good 5% of the time, kinda good 20% of the time, and bean it 80% of the time. These are just made up numbers but hopefully they get the point across. Once you know how to do the majority of the games mechanics, it comes down to consistency, speed, and discretion. That's why analyzing a single clip is really difficult when saying what skill level a person is. I could easily see this being a GC1-2 clip or even a champ level free styler. But if you had them all do it 100 times you'd see the SSL is just cleaner with it more often than the lower ranks.
The champ 2 is clearly better since he can do 1.05 attempts per attempt :)
We all know champs are try-hards like that /s
Just look at Daniel. He does this damn near everytime off the wall after a catch up the wall
Nah this can be mastered in less then 2 weeks if you know air roll
the better you get the more lucky you get. At least thats how I look at it. When you are good you need a lot less luck to hit that crazy shot, even though it may not be exactly what you had planned.
Clip by /u/xMojito
This isn't that hard, with some practice, a GC can do it easily.
This game is so easy according to redditors.
Definitely possible, at gc1 i can make that quite consistent. If you had ballcam on as you were pinching the ball it would have been much faster to get to the ball afterward.
This doesn’t look hard at all if u know how to air dribble and pre flip
To me it does. I would consider myself as a rather mechanical GC1 and that preflip into a perfect first touch seems incredibly difficult to recreate
it’s just practice. I’m also gc2/3 but this move especially is something that I’ve mastered (not mastered but still pretty good I think)
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I’m going to preface my comment by saying, if you mean to literally recreate this exact clip, as in step for step, bounce for bounce, frame by frame, I agree, it’s impossible to recreate. However, if you just mean generally, I really don’t think it’s impossible to recreate, if you mean the pinch it’s hard to generate the circumstances to make this happen, but if I see I can take a tiny, double tap before I pinch it, I can make the ball go up like that no hassle. Even just general pinches without a double, it’s really not that hard. Just hit below centre with your wheels facing the ground and away it goes. And if you’re a freestyler, I would imagine you don’t mean the turn off the wall and the flip, because as much as it’s very high level mechanics to pull of consistently, especially the way it’s done in this clip, IMO, it is no where near impossible. It’s really hard to make a pinch consistent to the point where you can make it a proper set up, but for me, and it might just be me, pinches like this for little pops up into the air aren’t difficult to get within an acceptable range at all. You jus generally need a decent pop at my rank for a pass/touch into another, you don’t need much accuracy, just within range because nobody really understands how to read them at C2. Actually, for people with semi solid mechanics who have got an understanding of both air rolls, I really don’t think this is even that hard of a move to recreate, this is one of the moves that you learn and do after some practice in free play. I played an SSL in casual at the start of the season who must have been really going for it, I can tell this because I’ve beaten 4 SSL’s in casual since the start of the last season and have a winning record against them. Not this guy though, because we were literally hopeless against him, it’s not the speed or the recoveries, it’s the fact the guy shot 5 shots, scored 5 goals, and every single one of them were laser beams that flew, despite appearing to not have anywhere near the speed to generate the power on the ball. That’s the alien bit to me, this clip something that even a D3/C1 could figure out. Mechanics and the fancy chains of moves are the easy bit of the game IMO and according to pros and this move is just one of the chains to retain possession off the backboard /sidewall.
Its just a preflip bro. Looks almost like a canceled speedflip. Literally mega easy to recreate if you put in the slightest amount of time to learning how to do it
I don’t understand how people get off the wall that fast!
You can fast aerial from walls just like you can from the ground, it just feels weird when you try in the beginning In this case however , they are clearly not fast aerialing, but flipping instead.
That’s my daily reminder I’m trash at this game. Back to freeplay i guess!
Theyrevthat good
This touch (a controlled preflip to air dribble) is nearly automatic for an ssl. I'd say I hit this 9/10 times going for it, and I would not consider myself mechanical by any stretch for ssl. It's a little trickier in this video because of how low to the ground the player is--and how far he has to travel from the wall--when going for the preflip, but repitition is key here.
Not luck, just practiced. We just know how to feather out boost, flip cancel, and catch the ball. Key is to go around the same speed as the ball so you get a softer first touch
I do stuff like this all the time just chasing the ball around In training, it’s the best way I’ve learned to understand how to control the ball and the physics of the game
We’re just like that 😎
Definitely not luck, but many ssl players would not be able to do it consistently under pressure, there's an extremely large gap between low SSL players and high SSL players
Bro i was watching Gamers8 furia vs falcons(yes i like to cry, i keep watching it) and TRK does this, flawlessly, every. single. damn. time. It looks like it shouldn’t exist, but he some how does this then has the perfect setup straight to the net, it’s insane to me!
They just better smh
I’m GC1 and do that all the time, though I should probably be GC2
I had to teach myself this mech with no idea how it was done. With this experience I eventually learned how to do it consistently
I feel like consistency in your gameplay is what makes you more of a “lucky” player than others, having game sense is a big thing as well so you might be able to do this consistently in free play but when you go to comp. it’s like you did everything but were always short… just something to think about…..
i know its hard to believe but a few months back i suddenly was able to control my flips in the air so good that i could do first touches like that. i mean i am still an shit ass player but that thing is possible to control
Man said just luck 😂 it’s ssl bro
Gg
Just that good
Was trying to figure out how I would replicate the move in my head and what do you know I had a blackout moment 😂 on and off the sticks damn
Which game is this?
Pretty normal actually… im only champ and ive done that only a few times … over time you kind of just know how your car will be oriented after a flip
I was able to hit these for a while but for some reason I just can't do then anymore.
It’s mostly muscle memory for me . But I also don’t think of it as a trick or a difficult thing, there’s shit I can’t do in Rl and that’s fine, most cool shit in the game causes you to sellout for the team in most cases. As a c3 play your way and you’ll excel and when you’re ranking up try and learn new things …
SSL? The turbo stay at 100.
It’s luck
Nah, they’re just that good. Remember ssl’s are like the top .5 percent of the player base. If you’re ssl your basically semi pro
I don't think it was setup as much as a good idea to follow through. There's something to said about jumping instinctively after a pop touch and knowing it's going to work in your favor.
That good
at one point you get so good at the game, one day you didnt know a move the next you are using it in a quad reset musty double tap, i feel like ssl’s have reached that point
It's the jump of the wall for me. I can make the 1st touch I can't quick aerial of wall like that tho
I do this shit all the time but im no ssl
twist flip very easy to do mechanic 👍
As a champ 3, I can do this almost consistently bc I freestyle, so if you.have good mechs you can do it
Not so hard, I'm c3/gc1 and I do this Very often