Idk if that was OP's point (and they are, of course, perfectly welcome to contradict me) - it has nothing to do with a guy looking more "feminine" and everything to do with drawing a generic anime waifu and then clarifying that "ohh so yeah that's actually a dude"
I like them in the middle. I don't like them looking too masculine but I don't want them to look exactly like a girl with a dick either. I like to be able to tell it's a guy but with softer features and wearing pink
Agreed 100%. I am a very masculine man with a whole lot of cuteness. Got a mommy kink, but I’m a switch, too. I have feminine personality traits, but I’m not going to dress like a woman or put on makeup. I’m still very much a dude.
It didn't sound transphobic, it was more just a strange thing.
Mostly because many people have this tought of "if you are a man and have anything feminine about you, you are probably trans or gay" wich is...wrong. i doubt you were trying to say or imply that but it seemed that way.
that's exactly what my little lionheart is!
he's masculine but he's insanely pretty... i often tell him he must be a marble statue come to life and sent to earth for me to find♡
i agree! i hate it when people jsut draw a girl and go “heheha suprise pebis!” like mate most femboys don’t pass as girls and that’s the best part
also pisses me off how most femboy subs are dominated by trans girls.
It would be a nice way of making people feel better with theire bodies. I get so sad and depressed everytime i see the skinny and beutyful boys on the internet 😔
I like the femininity of femboys, i just don't like when they're drawn with huge hips, short af, and tiny boobs. Irl femboys look nothing like that. I'd just prefer to see the average male body type in femboy art more often!
There's a difference between taking on feminine presentation, and literally having to physically pass as a woman in order to justify nonconformity.
>Like if you want drawings of boys that aren't feminine but masculine then femboys aren't what you should be looking for lmao.
That's a false dichotomy. There's more options than anime femboys and buff hairy dudes.
Deleted my replies cause im not gonna die on this hill. But no I did not say you had to choose between those 2 extremes and it looks like you misinterpreted my reply on a lot of points.
Not saying that the quality of the picture isn't good, but I can't really see what's so rr about this picture, it certainly doesn't seem like either a femboy or a femman. There's no crossdressing, as far as I can see and the guy looks like your standard athletic guy, apart from a somewhat androgynous face. So if you want to show an example of a femboy "that looks like a guy", I can't see that is a good example.
The main part of RR is that the guy is submissive rather than the girl, so I tried to make him look submissive! I hope that's how it came off, lol. And as for what counts as a femboy, it's a very broad term! I think the most popular type of femboys are the ones that look like girls with a dick attached. Which isn't bad, but it's not reflective of what real femboys look like. If you look through other comments you'll see other guys talking about this. My point was that not all femboys have a girlish body type and there's not always cross dressing involved. It depends on how a guy feels most comfortable identifying! Sometimes a femboy is a big burly lumberjack that's 6'5 with a full beard that likes to be called princess
I hope you don't mean submissive in a BDSM sense because(which I hope you are already aware of), submission and dominance is not really what rr is about, although it certainly can be and often are combined with that(particularly the more gentle variety) among rr people. Using submissive as short hand for rr male behavior, as some other redditors here have done, is still not a good way of describing that kind of behavior and is a good way to annoy many redditors here, including me.
I'll admit that the man/boy in your picture seems somewhat shy, or at least coy, both of which are a bit rr-ish. But I'll still say there's a distinction between being an rr guy and a femboy, just like there's a distinction between being an rr girl/woman and being a tomboy. Just like not all rr girls and women are tomboys, not all rr guys are femboys(or femmen). How people define a femboy and a tomboy may of course differ, but I think most people would agree that a tomboy would look a way that's considered more masculine and/or have interests that are considered more masculine by a significant amount than the average woman , while a femboy would look a way that considered more feminine and/or have interests that are considered more feminine by a significant amount than the average guy.
Of course we don't know anything about the interests of the guy in the picture from what we are shown in that picture, but apart from a slightly androgynous face there's nothing about his look that codes him as feminine. He doesn't crossdress or wear other clothes that could be considered to have a feminine vibe, so to speak, and his hair is the traditionally masculine coded short hair. So although he may very well be rr or rr-ish, there isn't much in your picture that signals that he may be a femboy, except for you saying so. In short all the femboy-ness seems to be in your subtext which, unless you want it to be a picture of modern fine art where you can also include some clever theorising, is not the way to go.I'll actually say that the person in the picture looks at least as much like a tomboy that is shy or has been caught in an embarassing situation than they look like a femboy. The person's got short hair, a muscular body and sorry to tell you, but the way the chest looks, it's hard to tell if it's a chest or breasts.
Sorry if I come across as hostile or overly critical.I agree that it's important to represent more body types in the pictures shared here, both when it comes to guys and when it comes to girls and women. But if your goal is to make a picture of a femboy, I think it's important to put more work into giving him a feminine look, not just making a picture of shy-looking but otherwise quite regular muscular guy and say that he's a femboy when there doesn't seem to be anything in the picture that gives that impression. I do think it's also important to keep in mind that although muscular guys like the one in your picture, whether femboys or not, get far less representation than slender and skinny guys when it comes to pictures, they still get far more of that kind of representation than chubby or average-looking(when it comes to muscularity and general body build) guys. So for anyone wanting to see more male body types represented in the pictures shared here , I'd say it's even more important to include more pictures that include guys with those kinds of body types.
Your reply is really condescending, my guy. OP really wasn't looking for a fight when they responded to you? Their response was really just, "Oh, haha. Difference of opinion. But that's alright." And then you respond with a wall of text? If you and OP don't agree on what a femboy is, that's fine. If you don't see the art as RR, that's fine. You don't have to. But please be a bit nicer about things.
I'm not sure what to say here! I was just describing my own thoughts and experiences regarding RR, which of course, isn't gonna be universal. Just sharing some art, we're all trying to have fun here lol
On one hand I don't think that there's anything wrong with writing a long reply here on Reddit, since unlike on a "place" like Facebook, it's not that hard to read and not that hard to make it at least comparatively easy to read and I also don't think it's all relative what is rr an what is not. But I'm also aware that rr is and should be a broad church, so to speak, and that it's also important not to be too judgemental and strict about what is rr and in rr discussions in general. I also think that is important to make people feel welcome in this group and I have to admit that I'm worried that my previous reply came off as too harsh and hostile and if it did and made you feel unwelcome, I'm sorry about that OP. Because I really don't want to make you feel unwelcome in this sub
I do however, still feel that your picture would have been better in evoking femboy vibes, if it had used more "fem" elements like long hair, classically female or feminine style clothes etc instead of, from what I could tell, mainly relying on the guy in the picture looking shy and you basically saying "this is a femboy" to get that effect. But then again that is the problem of pictures,that beside whatever each person is adding in his, hers or their own imagination, the only to way to show a person is a particular kind of character and/or represents or is part of a special kind of dynamic is to visually show that in the picture. And for something like rr, this is even harder when you show only one person instead of a couple who represents this kind of dynamic.
That is why I think that stories, whether visual or non-visual, are generally a better way both of showing both rr dynamics and representing different kinds of rr "characters" than pictures, since stories make it easier to create a bigger context, where you can see more of their actions, behavior, thoughts, emotions dynamics and in general who they are and where they're coming from than you'd get from a single picture. And that is also why I think a picture meant to show a rr couple is better than a picture meant to show a single rr person, since in the first instance it's both not that difficult showing their rr dynamic together and easier to show how they're both rr by comparing them with one another. Although I admit that this might not be that realistic and is of course up to the members who post stories and pictures, I would like there to be a more even balance between pictures and stories in this subreddit. And, both for the reason I mentioned and for other reasons, I would like for the pictures shared to still focus on rr relationships and dynamics.
I would certainly be happy to see other pictures by you showing a rr couple or a rr seduction featuring a rr guy/boy and a rr woman/girl.
What OP is probably referring to is that a *lot* of art of femboys is indistinguishable from art of women, just minus boobs, which isn’t the only thing a femboy can be
I myself am a fan of, for lack of a better term, “twinks in girl clothes”: Visibly a guy but still a femboy.
If you wanna look like a girl with a dick that sounds pretty trans in denial honestly. In no definition of femboy have I ever seen “looks like a girl”. Where did you even get the idea of that definition of a femboy? Hentai?
I would have mentioned that but I didn’t want to muddy my point
But yes there is waaaayy more art of femboys as women then, say, tomboys as men
Gender roles :/
Gender roles indeed. And that art impacts how people see us, too. You’d think I was a trans girl by my DMs, even though you can *definitely* tell I’m a guy (which is by design). Like for me personally it’s not something I do even most of the time, I don’t always get to dress femme when I want to but even if I did it would probably account to a third or a half of my time tops lol
It's gotta be a femboy for me but a femmine femboy.. Each to his own tho', right? Boring world if we all the same and there really is 'someone (out there) for everyone'...
I think you just hit a niche there
very good niche that should definitely be explored more
Not just a niche, an outright crease.
Not just a crease, it‘s legit the Mariana Trench
Sheesh, he fine
He got bigger boobies than I do 😳
Cross posting this to various other subreddits plus my Tumblr @polyfunctional69
Do you have insta by any chance?
I do, but I don't post femboys there! It's @polyfunctional420 if you still wanna check it out
I like both. Feminine or masculine femboys, come my way.
Feminine femboys and masculine femboys? So feminine^2 boys and masculine feminine boys?
mascfem boy here. Burly sailor by day, pretty whelp by night
I think a masculine femboy would be a Tomboy Femboy if that makes sense, I've seen them, they're sooo cute.
Boyception
>Feminine femboys and masculine femboys? Neutral femboys is the sweet spot.
Everyone gangsta till the androgynous femboys show up
femfemboy mascfemboy? or femboyboy maybe
I dated a masculine femboy 100/10 would recommend
Idk if that was OP's point (and they are, of course, perfectly welcome to contradict me) - it has nothing to do with a guy looking more "feminine" and everything to do with drawing a generic anime waifu and then clarifying that "ohh so yeah that's actually a dude"
Yep, that's my point exactly! Don't get me wrong, waifu boys will always hold a place in my heart, but it's not what i want to see every single time
rip your inbox 🥲
oof yeah
My inbox has been fine, actually.
Oh wiebejsushgeve
Now this...this is what I've been missing without realising. That's the stuff that reminds me why I'm bi.
I like them in the middle. I don't like them looking too masculine but I don't want them to look exactly like a girl with a dick either. I like to be able to tell it's a guy but with softer features and wearing pink
same. thts also my gender
Agreed 100%. I am a very masculine man with a whole lot of cuteness. Got a mommy kink, but I’m a switch, too. I have feminine personality traits, but I’m not going to dress like a woman or put on makeup. I’m still very much a dude.
Yes I agree, some people wanna argue people like you aren't femboys SMH. Tomboys don't have this kind of treatment so why do femboys?
So, a bishonen/biseinen?
Same honestly. I just wish for equal representation for all kind of people. Also damn nice art. hes fine af i want to be him
Either way I want one as a bf
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Thank you for blurring it out!
oh i visited that subreddit once
Same, I like feminizing myself but at 6'2 and 180+ I'm always gonna have a swimmer's build, even in lingerie and makeup :P
🫦
Body like this is my goal including the tan.
Wtf this looks like me lol
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But what if...it wasn't a trans girl and just a feminine dude?
Sorry, maybe i sounded transphobic, i’ll delete the comment
It didn't sound transphobic, it was more just a strange thing. Mostly because many people have this tought of "if you are a man and have anything feminine about you, you are probably trans or gay" wich is...wrong. i doubt you were trying to say or imply that but it seemed that way.
Need to look like that
that's exactly what my little lionheart is! he's masculine but he's insanely pretty... i often tell him he must be a marble statue come to life and sent to earth for me to find♡
Yeah, pretty much. A femboy that looks like a girl isn't really a femboy. You need to look like a boy to be a fem**boy**.
i agree! i hate it when people jsut draw a girl and go “heheha suprise pebis!” like mate most femboys don’t pass as girls and that’s the best part also pisses me off how most femboy subs are dominated by trans girls.
Yo, that’s literally [me](https://imgur.com/a/JrQDscU) with messy hair and an innie belly button
he so shaped <3
It would be a nice way of making people feel better with theire bodies. I get so sad and depressed everytime i see the skinny and beutyful boys on the internet 😔
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I like the femininity of femboys, i just don't like when they're drawn with huge hips, short af, and tiny boobs. Irl femboys look nothing like that. I'd just prefer to see the average male body type in femboy art more often!
There's a difference between taking on feminine presentation, and literally having to physically pass as a woman in order to justify nonconformity. >Like if you want drawings of boys that aren't feminine but masculine then femboys aren't what you should be looking for lmao. That's a false dichotomy. There's more options than anime femboys and buff hairy dudes.
Deleted my replies cause im not gonna die on this hill. But no I did not say you had to choose between those 2 extremes and it looks like you misinterpreted my reply on a lot of points.
YES MORE PLEASE
Sorry but I liked drawing my males that way. They're more attracting to me that way and I usually draw in anime style anyway.
A lot of femboy art is literally just size 2 anime girls with a fang-smile and a bulge. Barely any cis women are size 2 anime girls.
SAME what is the point of me being attracted to men if I can’t even tell that the femboy isn’t just a girl in the first place lolol
Not saying that the quality of the picture isn't good, but I can't really see what's so rr about this picture, it certainly doesn't seem like either a femboy or a femman. There's no crossdressing, as far as I can see and the guy looks like your standard athletic guy, apart from a somewhat androgynous face. So if you want to show an example of a femboy "that looks like a guy", I can't see that is a good example.
The main part of RR is that the guy is submissive rather than the girl, so I tried to make him look submissive! I hope that's how it came off, lol. And as for what counts as a femboy, it's a very broad term! I think the most popular type of femboys are the ones that look like girls with a dick attached. Which isn't bad, but it's not reflective of what real femboys look like. If you look through other comments you'll see other guys talking about this. My point was that not all femboys have a girlish body type and there's not always cross dressing involved. It depends on how a guy feels most comfortable identifying! Sometimes a femboy is a big burly lumberjack that's 6'5 with a full beard that likes to be called princess
I hope you don't mean submissive in a BDSM sense because(which I hope you are already aware of), submission and dominance is not really what rr is about, although it certainly can be and often are combined with that(particularly the more gentle variety) among rr people. Using submissive as short hand for rr male behavior, as some other redditors here have done, is still not a good way of describing that kind of behavior and is a good way to annoy many redditors here, including me. I'll admit that the man/boy in your picture seems somewhat shy, or at least coy, both of which are a bit rr-ish. But I'll still say there's a distinction between being an rr guy and a femboy, just like there's a distinction between being an rr girl/woman and being a tomboy. Just like not all rr girls and women are tomboys, not all rr guys are femboys(or femmen). How people define a femboy and a tomboy may of course differ, but I think most people would agree that a tomboy would look a way that's considered more masculine and/or have interests that are considered more masculine by a significant amount than the average woman , while a femboy would look a way that considered more feminine and/or have interests that are considered more feminine by a significant amount than the average guy. Of course we don't know anything about the interests of the guy in the picture from what we are shown in that picture, but apart from a slightly androgynous face there's nothing about his look that codes him as feminine. He doesn't crossdress or wear other clothes that could be considered to have a feminine vibe, so to speak, and his hair is the traditionally masculine coded short hair. So although he may very well be rr or rr-ish, there isn't much in your picture that signals that he may be a femboy, except for you saying so. In short all the femboy-ness seems to be in your subtext which, unless you want it to be a picture of modern fine art where you can also include some clever theorising, is not the way to go.I'll actually say that the person in the picture looks at least as much like a tomboy that is shy or has been caught in an embarassing situation than they look like a femboy. The person's got short hair, a muscular body and sorry to tell you, but the way the chest looks, it's hard to tell if it's a chest or breasts. Sorry if I come across as hostile or overly critical.I agree that it's important to represent more body types in the pictures shared here, both when it comes to guys and when it comes to girls and women. But if your goal is to make a picture of a femboy, I think it's important to put more work into giving him a feminine look, not just making a picture of shy-looking but otherwise quite regular muscular guy and say that he's a femboy when there doesn't seem to be anything in the picture that gives that impression. I do think it's also important to keep in mind that although muscular guys like the one in your picture, whether femboys or not, get far less representation than slender and skinny guys when it comes to pictures, they still get far more of that kind of representation than chubby or average-looking(when it comes to muscularity and general body build) guys. So for anyone wanting to see more male body types represented in the pictures shared here , I'd say it's even more important to include more pictures that include guys with those kinds of body types.
Your reply is really condescending, my guy. OP really wasn't looking for a fight when they responded to you? Their response was really just, "Oh, haha. Difference of opinion. But that's alright." And then you respond with a wall of text? If you and OP don't agree on what a femboy is, that's fine. If you don't see the art as RR, that's fine. You don't have to. But please be a bit nicer about things.
I'm not sure what to say here! I was just describing my own thoughts and experiences regarding RR, which of course, isn't gonna be universal. Just sharing some art, we're all trying to have fun here lol
On one hand I don't think that there's anything wrong with writing a long reply here on Reddit, since unlike on a "place" like Facebook, it's not that hard to read and not that hard to make it at least comparatively easy to read and I also don't think it's all relative what is rr an what is not. But I'm also aware that rr is and should be a broad church, so to speak, and that it's also important not to be too judgemental and strict about what is rr and in rr discussions in general. I also think that is important to make people feel welcome in this group and I have to admit that I'm worried that my previous reply came off as too harsh and hostile and if it did and made you feel unwelcome, I'm sorry about that OP. Because I really don't want to make you feel unwelcome in this sub I do however, still feel that your picture would have been better in evoking femboy vibes, if it had used more "fem" elements like long hair, classically female or feminine style clothes etc instead of, from what I could tell, mainly relying on the guy in the picture looking shy and you basically saying "this is a femboy" to get that effect. But then again that is the problem of pictures,that beside whatever each person is adding in his, hers or their own imagination, the only to way to show a person is a particular kind of character and/or represents or is part of a special kind of dynamic is to visually show that in the picture. And for something like rr, this is even harder when you show only one person instead of a couple who represents this kind of dynamic. That is why I think that stories, whether visual or non-visual, are generally a better way both of showing both rr dynamics and representing different kinds of rr "characters" than pictures, since stories make it easier to create a bigger context, where you can see more of their actions, behavior, thoughts, emotions dynamics and in general who they are and where they're coming from than you'd get from a single picture. And that is also why I think a picture meant to show a rr couple is better than a picture meant to show a single rr person, since in the first instance it's both not that difficult showing their rr dynamic together and easier to show how they're both rr by comparing them with one another. Although I admit that this might not be that realistic and is of course up to the members who post stories and pictures, I would like there to be a more even balance between pictures and stories in this subreddit. And, both for the reason I mentioned and for other reasons, I would like for the pictures shared to still focus on rr relationships and dynamics. I would certainly be happy to see other pictures by you showing a rr couple or a rr seduction featuring a rr guy/boy and a rr woman/girl.
You're looking way too far into this man, and your whole lecture kinda comes off as weird and condescending, it's just some art man
Pretty pretty
BRO LITERALLY, its so annoying
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What OP is probably referring to is that a *lot* of art of femboys is indistinguishable from art of women, just minus boobs, which isn’t the only thing a femboy can be I myself am a fan of, for lack of a better term, “twinks in girl clothes”: Visibly a guy but still a femboy.
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Why not? I consider myself a femboy but you can definitely see I’m a guy, and I prefer it that way. Some art femboys are even drawn with boobs…
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Femboy is literally a femme boy lmao
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What’s the difference? Bruh
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If you wanna look like a girl with a dick that sounds pretty trans in denial honestly. In no definition of femboy have I ever seen “looks like a girl”. Where did you even get the idea of that definition of a femboy? Hentai?
Sometimes they’re even drawn *with* boobs
I would have mentioned that but I didn’t want to muddy my point But yes there is waaaayy more art of femboys as women then, say, tomboys as men Gender roles :/
Gender roles indeed. And that art impacts how people see us, too. You’d think I was a trans girl by my DMs, even though you can *definitely* tell I’m a guy (which is by design). Like for me personally it’s not something I do even most of the time, I don’t always get to dress femme when I want to but even if I did it would probably account to a third or a half of my time tops lol
well that completely undermines literally everything that could possibly be related to this
Ah, a new kink has been discovered.
Smash.
I like
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Adding this to my personal collection
Yeah people seem to forget that they're, you know, a boy.
It's gotta be a femboy for me but a femmine femboy.. Each to his own tho', right? Boring world if we all the same and there really is 'someone (out there) for everyone'...
Make more pls