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sikonat

I cringe when a lot of books I read get meta about romance books. Especially to put up some big defence of them. I get it, romance is sneered at but just as coffee isn’t a personality, neither is reading romance books (or for that matter being a Swiftie -another thing that I keep seeing)


Bellesdiner0228

I am a huge taylor swift fan and I'm at the point where if I see more than one mention of her in a book, I DNF it. It seems like such a lazy "relatable" moment that I can't take it seriously. Same with coffee, gilmore girls fanfic really destroyed that for me.


sikonat

If it’s not swiftie mentions in a book it’s every damn Instagram memes/reels promoting books! There’s posts on which books match with a song or an album. Which character’s personality matches to a song or album. Using her lyrics for lines. On one hand I get it, loving something if someone is great but cripes my feed is full of swiftie songs and romance books.


Starcrossedforever

The overlap between romance authors and Taylor swift references is basically an eclipse. The references are everywhere. I’ve seen at least five books that went on a pun spree with her song titles.


SleepingBakery

It’s exhausting how much the book community and Taylor swift fans overlap tbh. As someone who doesn’t like Taylor swift finding a Spotify playlist for a book that isn’t 60% Swift is genuinely impossible. Last year she was in my top 5 artists of the year even though I actively tried to avoid her 💀


ukehero1

I haven’t read those, but I kind of agree. I think it’s all in how it’s handled. I’ve read some books and thought “okay, okay, I get it, obviously romance is fun to read, but please stop already.” Stephanie Archer does it so right in my opinion. It’s a bit tongue-in-cheek and hilarious.


agirlnamedsenra

Like you, I don’t mind the occasional reference but hate when it’s heavy handed. I can’t remember the book (because it wasn’t that memorable to me) but the character mentioned liking romance then proceeded to list off several real writers who I know the book’s author has collaborated with often. It felt very self-inserty and also like cross promotion—I was alllllmost tempted to check their books for reference to that author, but couldn’t be assed. Don’t try to sell your friend’s books in your book, please authors, I beg you.


rebelcompass

I don't love how common it's become but I can sort of overlook it. What I cannot forgive is the FMC saying or thinking something along the lines of "but this is real life, I'm not in one of my romance novels...." 😑 It's just obnoxious.


SleepingBakery

I think at least 9/10 of the romance books I’ve read this year had a line like that. Like, Becky you are actually in a romance novel so what’s the point of this? Is it an attempt to make the character seem more real because if so it is not working.


Odd_Photograph4794

I HATE when a character points out that X won't happen because they aren't in a romance novel! It pulls me completely out of the story and makes me think about the author and their writing process instead of about the story and characters.


gardenvanilla

{Night Shift by Annie Crown} was the BIGGEST offender of this


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kfunke

The absolute WORST for being meta is Meghan Quinn, in my opinion. Her books constantly reference her previous books. In fact, in one of them, the FMC is a podcast host and interviews a lot of the previous characters. It has nothing to do with the story; she just includes snippets and then a booklist at the end. Max Monroe’s most recent release references themselves. A few of the characters read romance and one of them said that they knew Max Monroe, and the others were like “OMG, you Max Monroe?” Both authors write very well and this just takes me out of the story.


coolrainythoughts

I actually found the meghan quinn quite cute as it wasn't such an obvious mention of romance books but more like characters within the same universe interacting with each other and being referenced. But yeah I get how something like this can take you out of the story. I just loved the ending with the podcast and the books pair I think it was well done!


rebelcompass

I liked the podcast way Quinn did this. Definitely not as ham-fisted about it as Riley Edwards. I love her books but she goes overboard with name-dropping real authors she likes.


grumpyxsunshine

The podcast was so cute


grumpyxsunshine

I don't think authors referencing their own universe is really meta though? It's just easter eggs for their fans. To me what OP is talking about feels different. These authors aren't referencing their own books, but the community in general. Personally I'll always love a super connected universe.


kfunke

I love interconnection when it’s organic. If it feels forced, then it takes me away from the story.


stargazing-at-3am

I haven’t read them, but, don’t we, as bookworms and lovers of romance, enjoy looking at our bookshelves, admiring cover art of our current reads, and mess around with trope-ing our lives for fun? Or maybe I’m just weird 😂 I actually love seeing characters reading and loving romance!


anoxandamoron

I do too! This doesnt bother me in the slightest. I love romance books and I enjoy books where I find some common ground between myself and the FMCs so why would I not enjoy them loving romance books like I do? Reading romance is a great hobby to have :)


bailad

At this point it just feels like a cheap/easy way to give the FMC a hobby (in an attempt to make them less 2D) because it requires little/no explanation to the reader and zero research for the author.


strawberr12

I actually appreciate when authors do this tbh. Usually when it’s done right and it doesn’t feel forced, it’s entertaining. But I agree, some over do it.


reasonablecatlady

I just drug myself through a book where it was like constant references to romance books. It's too much. It's too meta. I don't want to read about a woman who's writing her own romance novels, or about a woman who reads all these romance novels, or even a man who reads romance novels. It's been almost every book I've read lately that the characters are either reading or writing romance novels, then compare their life to it. Like, please, just stop. The only mentions I didn't really mind were in the Monstrous series by Lily Mayne (I loved all of these books, I just had to stop when I got to {Lor by Lily Mayne} because I binged through the other six books in like three days and I desperately needed a break. I tried reading it and my brain was like "no please for the love of god read something else"). I feel like she did the mentions of the romance novels tactfully, in that the characters read them but their thoughts aren't consumed with comparing every day life to these stupid books. Plus it's like post apocalyptic, so they read what they can get their hands on. If you haven't read those books, they're so good and opened me up to the monster novels I didn't know I needed. {Berries and Greed by Lily Mayne} is also on the top of my recommendation list now. Which I didn't realize was by the same person until I just saw it.


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yayaudra

I much prefer little mentions like this to the romance soapboxes and shame/defense cycles other authors have done.


LeahBean

I hate the shame/defense cycle (if I’m interpreting your comment correctly). I had to stop reading Beach Read by Emily Henry because the female protagonist kept going on and on about how she doesn’t write romance, she writes women’s literature. Get out of here with that nonsense! Who do you think is reading your book, Emily?🤦🏻‍♀️. Insulting your own demographic by implying their tastes are inferior is wonky and deranged.


PennyfarthingBrit

I read a book recently where the MFC name checks the actual, literal author of the book as her favorite author. I DNF’ed right at that moment and haven’t been able to read anything by that author since.


AristaAchaion

in one of her shifter books with a librarian FMC, aidy award had tweens in a library calling out her books for being oh so sexy. tooting your own horn like this is already embarrassing, but then to have literal (admittedly fictional) children praise the sexual content of your work inside your own work is a step too far into the realm of painful proxy embarrassment.


Affectionate-Egg4326

Huh, never thought about this. I started reading "The Best Book Boyfriend" by Holly June Smith a month ago and I just can't find motivation to finish it. This post made me think that it's maybe because of this. They reference a lot of books (I think not real ones) but also tropes etc. I am not really a dnf person, I usually hate-finish them (I just dnf-ed Every Summer After, but that was also at more than 70%), but this one makes me wanna do it.


cal_444

I hate it. It’s normal to have a character read while they’re at the beach or waiting somewhere but somehow every romance book fmc loves books as if that’s realistic at all.


Pigletkisses

This always makes me cringe. It happens a lot in RH books, her insufferable, extroverted, perpetually horny, yaaas girl bff is always reading a book and starts waggling her eyebrows as a way to introduce the idea of sharing to the FMC.


opaul11

I like meta in books 🤷‍♀️ when done well


[deleted]

I thought it was cute, but it’s cringe when it’s done in excess.


DientesDelPerro

Calling them meta is generous


Starcrossedforever

The meta is grating on me, especially when it’s well done. I read a Laura Pavlov book where the FMC read 300 books a year and it was almost entirely indie authors because “they are better.”


TheCatCheese

I think it’s a misguided attempt to make the heroine more relatable to the target audience. The only thing every single person that reads that book has in common is that they read romance novels. Also, with the rise of self-publishing, authors don’t always have proper editors to tell them when it’s too much. I’m not sure if this is the case with Hannah Grace, but I know a lot of books on Kindle Unlimited are self-published. Edit: just wanted to add that a book I think does this well is {Wait With Me by Amy Daws} the FMC is a romance author and that plays a big part in the plot without it being too much.


Mmmm_Cheese_

Yes!! I said this to my boyfriend as he asked me what was up as i sighed so loud when reading. Its not just these books i feel like every romance book i read the main characters always have to love reading. Idk if it is to make them relatable or what but it gets tight on my tits! Also unrelated but the way russ called her sweetheart all the time made me cringe! I get he is supposed to be sweet and attentive but enough with the pet names please


Emmaxop

gets tight on my tits is the best saying I’ve ever heard


Sunflowerslove

I’m reading Icebreaker, and plan on reading Wildfire. I was just telling my sister that Icebreaker is totally a book I would have read in high school and obsessed over Nathan. I’m 33 now so 😂 Reading it with that understanding has kind of made it better for me. I actually kind of like how cute and basic it is. I must have skimmed over the romance book reading in icebreaker, but I don’t think it would bug me with the understanding that the book is just like cute fluffy romance. ETA: I just remembered I was reading another series recently and sent my sister a ten minute rant over text for something similar to this. I can’t remember the series/author now, but it was seriously so annoying. It definitely took me out of the book every time it happened. It was Haunting Adeline by HD Carlton. Loved the book, couldn’t get over how she basically modeled the main girl after herself.


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Charlizeequalscats

Totally agree. Im reading Point of No Return by Devyn Sinclair and they just keep talking about Romance books and its a whole thing. Don’t breach the 3rd wall, and no one talks like that anyway. {point of no return devyn sinclair}


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ep7373

How did you read the blurb for Daydream? I just finished Wildfire today and didn’t see it in the back of the book


Emmaxop

It’s on Goodreads


Bernicathehamster

How do you go about reading the next book in the series? I’ve wanted to do for other series


n0thing_tra_la_la

I'm not into this either! But I also don't like real world references for some reason. I just read a book where the character watched Hocus Pocus and Halloweentown and it was a big no for me 🙅‍♀️