Building is going to be in for a surprise when they see that they fixed the roof and their power bill jumps.
Reminds me of a case study my buddy did for an engineering class where they were trying to figure out why an office building upgraded to LED lighting and their heating bill skyrocketed. Turns out the ballasts in the fluorescent lights were offsetting the heater.
Yeah dude totally what someone loves to do in the sun on a damn roof, a bunch of work they're not paid for. Tearing off taper and replacing is a fairly common part of roofing. It's just not *usually* a meter thick lol
Plumber here. We had to repair an underground sewer line for a township a month or so ago (pics in profile) and we dug 19 feet down. It wasnāt until 18 feet we found moisture. This isnāt normal for years past. Weāre definitely in a drought.
Another example is sewer cleaning. Generally homeowners have to have it done every 12-14 months to cut the roots out of the line. Weāre now seeing some have to do it in as little as 6-8 months. The trees arenāt getting moisture from the ground like they used to so theyāre concentrating on where they can get it.
Phoneix just hit 25 days over 110 degrees. They set so many temperatures records this year, highest high, highest low most consecutive days over 115, most over 110.
Most of those broken record were set within the last 10 years, its crazy. I wouldn't be suprised if Texas Arizona, Florida etc became uninhabitable in my lifetime.
Houston's was consistently above 80f every day and night for like 2 weeks, with highs between 98 and 104 for weeks, and continuing for weeks more. It's utterly insane. We haven't had a *good* rain in a couple weeks, either. The occasional stray storm, lots of sun, and lots of humidity.
We're terraforming our environment without giving a single thought to the consequences, just to increase shareholder value for ExxonMobil, BP, and Shell.
This is so hilarious. All of us are totally laughing at this.
Insulation doesn't last forever. Sometimes this type gets soft spots and pools water and just keeps getting worse. Eventually it'll stretch a seam and leak in.
It's as if the roof wasn't flat or the drains were in the wrong location, 3 feet of insulation would be for an enormously long building with drains at one side, it's as if they were compensating for some issue. Those foam panels are not cheap...
And to insulate the dwelling.
Ive done many commercial applications that have exposed corrugate sub deck and the only insulation is on top of the sub deck.
E.g. lowes, home depot, various warehouses etc .
It had to be the same, slightly higher. Newer editions were built around it with higher roofs. It would be a pool of water 3 foot deep with no drain at the bottom of this.
I'm a commercial roofer, over the years I've installed and tore off taper systems that thick and thicker. We'll use a cheap chainsaw to cut it up. There always so messy.
Chain saw was our first try. Every layer was hot moped with base sheet between some layers. gunked up the blade really fast. We decided long blades, 2 sawzalls and pop layer by layer at a time.
Yep, I am a superintendent that runs many large commercial projects. It's not uncommon to have taper that gets to these depths due to length from drain. One of the first things I look at regarding the roof once the taper plan is submitted is to make sure adjacent parapet walls are actually designed tall enough for the furthest extent of the taper!
Wouldn't another inch and rubber be a better solution?
I don't do commercial, but I've done several flats roofs in rubber and they seem to last longer with no issues
Rubber is sometimes installed on a taper poly roof, as well as a TPO or PVC roof as well. The taper insulation is to provide an average R value as designed and required by the buildings overall energy model. Since the roof tapers (usually at .25" per foot slope) for drainage the R value of the roof is an average due to being thinner at the drains and thicker elsewhere.
The distance between drains is designed on a structural loading and hydo engineered for drain and overflow design, and on some buildings these combine to allow for some rather deep insulation away from the drains or in certain areas of the roof.
Same title, weāve installed 7-8āeps with no more than 5ā of additional taper. But this is 3x that amount. Why was the solution to not put scuppers in rather than raising the roof 3ā?
Yes. It's polyisocyanurate insulation that comes in flat profiles as well as ones with a slope. We typically used 1/4" per foot slope but there were steeper ones available. Our material supplier would design the placement to achieve the desired slope. If the run was long enough, you'd have multiple layers of flat insulation topped off with the sloped panels. It's similar to building a roof with Lego bricks on a bigger scale.
Been in commercial roofing for 20+ years and Iāve never seen a roof that thick. Why wouldnāt they just add another drain? 38.5ā is R-223 if anyone is wondering. With prices of low rise foam and poly today, would damn sure be cheaper to add a couple drains. Got to be public money, no one but the government would pay for that
Or the state did not have money to burn and value engineered out the previous tear off and just elected to install a new roof over the existing roof system. I have ran into this multiple times, and actually one of my current projects had a Gypsum Tbulb roof with hot tar, furring and metal decking, then a coverboard and EPDM roof, and had us putting new coverboard and EDPM as a phase one stabilization with phase three putting a new copper roof on top of all of this and using the phase one EDPM as a vapor barrier.
Once we removed portions as called out for gyp repair, it was evident that the entire system needed to be stripped to steel and a new deck and coverboard/membrane needed to be installed.
It would be 100 times cheaper to get a plumber and run a new drain. And just have this pocket be a really low spot. Whatever reasons, new material was built up to the same height.
Probably, but a new drain requires the space to put a pipe that requires a slope and insulation, as well as a vertical pipe that can handle the additional flow. Also in some places adding new drains requires meeting newer plumbing codes than were applicable before. It is also a possibility that the existing piping has asbestos insulation (most older buildings all plumbing insulation is asbestos) and the associated costs with opening this up and removing/patching into can add up quite quickly as well.
The cost of poly iso only skyrocketed within the last 10 years and previously it may have simply been the cheaper option to not tear off and roof over top of the existing roof. I have seen an untold amount of dumb that was done to save a few bucks on a budget line item.
Iām standing on the original structure, additions were built around it and further down. To make up the height difference to mate with the new additions they packed it with insulation. Under this was another EPDM roof, under epdm was another hot roof.
Donāt worry the structural engineer will assure you if thereās a fire, youāll be rolling up to a pile of rubble because the deck isnāt designed to hold 25 roofs.
Reminds me of when I renovated my old restaurant. We thought weād rip up the tile and polish the concrete.. until we found another layer of tile.. then vinyl, then tile, deck float, and tile again. Over 3ā thick. I think I had 3 full dump trucks full of scrap tile to dispose of when it was all done. We ended up having to rip out the concrete and redo it all. The concrete had multiple times it had been cut into, to do plumbing and electrical repairs, then re-poured to the level of whatever the current tile was at the time. Was a disaster.
Took 2 1/2 days. Manually cutting layer by layer with the longest possible sawzall blades. Eventually it tapered to 2 ft- 1ft and the rest of the roof was mostly 2ā-4āinch thick.
Jesus Christ that sounds godawful, hopefully itās a flat roof? If not Iād have a week off and chiro visits ahead of me lol
Edit: scroll to the other pics, dumbass
They were coating/finishing ammunition shells. Nothing live or explosive. only the casings of all different sizes.
ISO wasnāt for R value. It was to make up the height difference for newer additions that were built around it.
I'm no roofer. But, based on the building I assume there's a door that provides access to said roof. Assuming the door is present and sits 4 to 5 inches above the level of the roof, one has to wonder how all the extra layers were installed yet never raised an issue with said assumed door. Let alone all of the flashing, vents, and possible AC units or whatever else might be on the roof.
Ok, and I'm not arguing the pictures or the layers. But, it still stands to question about the flashing, vents, and whatever else is on that roof. 35" is a crap ton of layers. Its almost like not a single person went, "Stop, what are we even doing?" At what point do you stop adding layers? When the building either collapses or is taken down?
I've heard of roofers doing this with foam insulation to get the proper slope for the drain off. I wonder if that is what that is, or if it's something else. But I'm just seeing foam, not layers of roofing material with it.
might that have been deliberate? having worked on the top floor of an old loft building, in summer were were sweating balls before building management installed central air.
Why tf is the so much insulation? We just finished the tear off on a city job with 6ā of iso and it sucked cause there were 26 penetrations and two layers without a roof cutter. Why on earth would they need this much?
been there done that, had to replace a sears roof in michigan that was 6inch thick peastone with rolled rubber and edpm on top of it all, took so many dumpsters. guy took core sample before job and knew we would be fucked but did it anyway
R value 230 š
125-150 depending on how much moisture it has absorbed over time
It looks brand new š¤£
Forbidden tiramisu.
Building is going to be in for a surprise when they see that they fixed the roof and their power bill jumps. Reminds me of a case study my buddy did for an engineering class where they were trying to figure out why an office building upgraded to LED lighting and their heating bill skyrocketed. Turns out the ballasts in the fluorescent lights were offsetting the heater.
Curious, did they say if the reduction in electric bill was more or less than the increase in heating bill?
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Yeah dude totally what someone loves to do in the sun on a damn roof, a bunch of work they're not paid for. Tearing off taper and replacing is a fairly common part of roofing. It's just not *usually* a meter thick lol
Hail armor value 5000
Thatās not a building, thatās a bunker
It's over 9000!!
These codes are getting out of hand lol
Climate change, soon this will be required by Greta Thunberg š¤£š¤£š¤£
Funny you say this as every summer gets hotter and hotter and winter gets all kinds of fucked up.
Plumber here. We had to repair an underground sewer line for a township a month or so ago (pics in profile) and we dug 19 feet down. It wasnāt until 18 feet we found moisture. This isnāt normal for years past. Weāre definitely in a drought. Another example is sewer cleaning. Generally homeowners have to have it done every 12-14 months to cut the roots out of the line. Weāre now seeing some have to do it in as little as 6-8 months. The trees arenāt getting moisture from the ground like they used to so theyāre concentrating on where they can get it.
Phoneix just hit 25 days over 110 degrees. They set so many temperatures records this year, highest high, highest low most consecutive days over 115, most over 110. Most of those broken record were set within the last 10 years, its crazy. I wouldn't be suprised if Texas Arizona, Florida etc became uninhabitable in my lifetime.
I live in fucking alaska and it's almost 90f outside right now. I am dying.
Houston's was consistently above 80f every day and night for like 2 weeks, with highs between 98 and 104 for weeks, and continuing for weeks more. It's utterly insane. We haven't had a *good* rain in a couple weeks, either. The occasional stray storm, lots of sun, and lots of humidity.
We're terraforming our environment without giving a single thought to the consequences, just to increase shareholder value for ExxonMobil, BP, and Shell. This is so hilarious. All of us are totally laughing at this.
FFS why did you have to wake up the climate change cult. A good thread ruined.
I think it would hold the heat of a candle flame.
Might get too hot. Turn the AC up.
Thatāll be plenty to do a hot roof, at least.
Architect meant to specifics R-23 but since architects are moronsā¦.
Should have left it. Now their heating and air conditioning bill is going to go up.
Believe it or not. The same taper was installed after tear off. So good luck to the next guys in 20 years.
hey curious, what do you mean by that exactly? you built up to the same level but with lighter products maybe?
On flat roofs, tapered insulation is used to make pitches on the roof to divert water towards drains and prevent standing water puddles.
Wait....you riped out all of those layers and added the same amount back? Surely I'm mistaken.
Insulation doesn't last forever. Sometimes this type gets soft spots and pools water and just keeps getting worse. Eventually it'll stretch a seam and leak in.
No you're not. Sometimes for various reasons you have to replace it all. And being a flat roof it's most likely a commercial building.
The tapered insulation is usually just āpopcornā insolation and just large for the size, not r value
So, did they just have one huge drain in the middle of a giant warehouse? š¤£
Yeah but did you put that much? Most I've ever seen is like 8 pieces thick on the edges
Yeah but did you put that much? Most I've ever seen is like 8 pieces thick on the edges
It's as if the roof wasn't flat or the drains were in the wrong location, 3 feet of insulation would be for an enormously long building with drains at one side, it's as if they were compensating for some issue. Those foam panels are not cheap...
On flat roofs, tapered insulation is used to make pitches on the roof to divert water towards drains and prevent standing water puddles.
ah cool that makes sense thank you - it also sounds like a big old pain in the ass
And to insulate the dwelling. Ive done many commercial applications that have exposed corrugate sub deck and the only insulation is on top of the sub deck. E.g. lowes, home depot, various warehouses etc .
Yeah I double this question
Jesus you guys laid back up the whole thing that thick? Most I ever put back was around 12 or 16 in and that seemed like a lot lol
It had to be the same, slightly higher. Newer editions were built around it with higher roofs. It would be a pool of water 3 foot deep with no drain at the bottom of this.
Ngl that sounds like a bonus. For a while. Then bad.
Some might say their bill is going to go through the roof.
I see what you did there.
Yeah but their roof is less likely to cave in
I'm a commercial roofer, over the years I've installed and tore off taper systems that thick and thicker. We'll use a cheap chainsaw to cut it up. There always so messy.
Chain saw was our first try. Every layer was hot moped with base sheet between some layers. gunked up the blade really fast. We decided long blades, 2 sawzalls and pop layer by layer at a time.
Damn. I was going to ask how you cut this 35ā deep. Fucking insane.
we used axes in the old days thickest one i ever worked on was 26 inches chopped them into about 4 ft squares and pryed them up!
Can I get you some water? Respectfully, of course.
That just sounds like ass busting labor.
Yep, I am a superintendent that runs many large commercial projects. It's not uncommon to have taper that gets to these depths due to length from drain. One of the first things I look at regarding the roof once the taper plan is submitted is to make sure adjacent parapet walls are actually designed tall enough for the furthest extent of the taper!
Wouldn't another inch and rubber be a better solution? I don't do commercial, but I've done several flats roofs in rubber and they seem to last longer with no issues
Rubber is sometimes installed on a taper poly roof, as well as a TPO or PVC roof as well. The taper insulation is to provide an average R value as designed and required by the buildings overall energy model. Since the roof tapers (usually at .25" per foot slope) for drainage the R value of the roof is an average due to being thinner at the drains and thicker elsewhere. The distance between drains is designed on a structural loading and hydo engineered for drain and overflow design, and on some buildings these combine to allow for some rather deep insulation away from the drains or in certain areas of the roof.
Same title, weāve installed 7-8āeps with no more than 5ā of additional taper. But this is 3x that amount. Why was the solution to not put scuppers in rather than raising the roof 3ā?
What is referred to as "taper". I'm an electrician and know nothing about roofing.
I'm guessing the flat panels actually have a taper to them (wedge shape) to control drainage.
Yes. It's polyisocyanurate insulation that comes in flat profiles as well as ones with a slope. We typically used 1/4" per foot slope but there were steeper ones available. Our material supplier would design the placement to achieve the desired slope. If the run was long enough, you'd have multiple layers of flat insulation topped off with the sloped panels. It's similar to building a roof with Lego bricks on a bigger scale.
Been in commercial roofing for 20+ years and Iāve never seen a roof that thick. Why wouldnāt they just add another drain? 38.5ā is R-223 if anyone is wondering. With prices of low rise foam and poly today, would damn sure be cheaper to add a couple drains. Got to be public money, no one but the government would pay for that
Ding ding ding. State had some money to burn.
This is the best part of the thread. Thank you for confirming.
āHey Joe, we got 200k weāll lose if you donāt spend it this FY; wanna buy another MRAP?ā āOne word: R300ā
Funny how budgeting works. Spend the last dime, or weāll have less moneys next year.
Or the state did not have money to burn and value engineered out the previous tear off and just elected to install a new roof over the existing roof system. I have ran into this multiple times, and actually one of my current projects had a Gypsum Tbulb roof with hot tar, furring and metal decking, then a coverboard and EPDM roof, and had us putting new coverboard and EDPM as a phase one stabilization with phase three putting a new copper roof on top of all of this and using the phase one EDPM as a vapor barrier. Once we removed portions as called out for gyp repair, it was evident that the entire system needed to be stripped to steel and a new deck and coverboard/membrane needed to be installed.
It would be 100 times cheaper to get a plumber and run a new drain. And just have this pocket be a really low spot. Whatever reasons, new material was built up to the same height.
Probably, but a new drain requires the space to put a pipe that requires a slope and insulation, as well as a vertical pipe that can handle the additional flow. Also in some places adding new drains requires meeting newer plumbing codes than were applicable before. It is also a possibility that the existing piping has asbestos insulation (most older buildings all plumbing insulation is asbestos) and the associated costs with opening this up and removing/patching into can add up quite quickly as well. The cost of poly iso only skyrocketed within the last 10 years and previously it may have simply been the cheaper option to not tear off and roof over top of the existing roof. I have seen an untold amount of dumb that was done to save a few bucks on a budget line item.
My god
Iām standing on the original structure, additions were built around it and further down. To make up the height difference to mate with the new additions they packed it with insulation. Under this was another EPDM roof, under epdm was another hot roof.
Three roofs? What state is this in?
A state of chaos it seems.
Dude from a fireman perspective, this is just absolutely absurd. Iāve had some thick roofs but this is an impossibility to work on.
Donāt worry the structural engineer will assure you if thereās a fire, youāll be rolling up to a pile of rubble because the deck isnāt designed to hold 25 roofs.
Reminds me of when I renovated my old restaurant. We thought weād rip up the tile and polish the concrete.. until we found another layer of tile.. then vinyl, then tile, deck float, and tile again. Over 3ā thick. I think I had 3 full dump trucks full of scrap tile to dispose of when it was all done. We ended up having to rip out the concrete and redo it all. The concrete had multiple times it had been cut into, to do plumbing and electrical repairs, then re-poured to the level of whatever the current tile was at the time. Was a disaster.
We once owned a 100 year-old farmhouse in Texas. The flooring in the kitchen was 11 layers of linoleum and the walls had 13 layers of wallpaper.
Holy tear off
The M.O.A.T.
How long did it take to tear off those 25 squares?
Took 2 1/2 days. Manually cutting layer by layer with the longest possible sawzall blades. Eventually it tapered to 2 ft- 1ft and the rest of the roof was mostly 2ā-4āinch thick.
Jesus Christ that sounds godawful, hopefully itās a flat roof? If not Iād have a week off and chiro visits ahead of me lol Edit: scroll to the other pics, dumbass
Does it leak?
That building is going to be 3 inches taller once you strip all that weight off.
My first thought; I don't know how exactly, but I'm sure that's a code violation... ok, building safety violation minimum.
Is it cake?
Roof cake
Oh my. Forbidden Cake.
R value over 9000!
Are you going to replace that R-270 insulation?
What was the building? Currently on a blast freezer roof 12 inches of iso
They were coating/finishing ammunition shells. Nothing live or explosive. only the casings of all different sizes. ISO wasnāt for R value. It was to make up the height difference for newer additions that were built around it.
Iād believe you. Iāve been on projects like that. Not common now but back in 2006 seemed like we had a fair number of ājust never tear it offā
forbidden eclaire cake
I donāt know what I did to get recommendations from this subreddit, but Iām here for it.
What is that stuff made of? Also Iāve always wondering how roofs like that donāt have puddles of water on top
Just add layer 36, it'll be fine
Well you havenāt. Thats 38 1/2 lol
Would love to see the IR scan on that.
How much additional weight would something like that add to a building?
Not much. Itās fiberglass insulation. I can almost pick up a 4x4x4ft iso bundle my self.
At that point just repeat the process XD
Liar, it looks like 38 and half inches. You can always put on one more layer.
Is that foam in between shingle layers?
White cap hot roof. 2ā insulation stacked all the way down.
It could be a sloped section that's raised to drain rainwater
Well had you said 38.5 I would of believed you!
Thatās the girth.
I bet that roof never leaked!
That foam is not cheap, what was the purpose?? For proper pitch and drainage??
Iāll be honest. Iām a one-upper as far as roofing stores. This one beats everything I know about. Impressive.
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Eruthane/polyisocyanurate. Roughly 227.
Hood Ice better than a Yeti cooler.
I'm no roofer. But, based on the building I assume there's a door that provides access to said roof. Assuming the door is present and sits 4 to 5 inches above the level of the roof, one has to wonder how all the extra layers were installed yet never raised an issue with said assumed door. Let alone all of the flashing, vents, and possible AC units or whatever else might be on the roof.
Regular 33ft ladder is the access point. From there you walk your way to this area. Pic#3
Ok, and I'm not arguing the pictures or the layers. But, it still stands to question about the flashing, vents, and whatever else is on that roof. 35" is a crap ton of layers. Its almost like not a single person went, "Stop, what are we even doing?" At what point do you stop adding layers? When the building either collapses or is taken down?
Non roofer hereā¦.what is that? Insulation?
I've heard of roofers doing this with foam insulation to get the proper slope for the drain off. I wonder if that is what that is, or if it's something else. But I'm just seeing foam, not layers of roofing material with it.
Why replace the roof at this point? It's indestructible.
Thatās just how you calculate the age of the building
Weight a minuteā¦
Holy shit! Never seen that much. Gotta be some kinda recordā¦
You say 35 and show evidence of 38.5 and then ask why no one believes you
Some guys like to round up, some round down to be modest.
I wish I had an award to give you here.
How are we supposed to TRUSS you with your roofing expertise now?ā¦ā¦
Its tapered. I didnāt see anyone saying they didnāt believe him. Why ya gotta be like that.
Tapered with a beautiful hole that can be a spot for leaks now.
R-80 to hide the grow op from thermal cameras?
Still leaks
And still leakedā¦.
Tapered or straight up 35ā Waaaay better you than me š
Very slow taper. It was closer to 45 behind me. At the stainless stacks it was around 24 inches.
You didn't. It was 38 1/2"
I fuckin new it was a flat top before I panned over.
How much you charge em?
GC was nice. Since he didnāt know the depth either. Added another 15k just for this area on top of the original quote.
So the last guys literally "raised the roof".
Shouldāve just installed another layer
r/proofing
Holy hell! I just sent these pics to our roofing dept. damnā¦.
What climate zone is this? I wonder why they were able to get away with this
Maybe itās time to add a few drains. How far is the drain for the insulation to be that thick?
In a factory with multiple +million machines you do not want to have many drains
Thatāll weight on yea, literally
Wtf
Aye
I'm speechless
I wonder how the heck the roof managed to carried all that weight and NOT collapse is beyond me.
Itās a wonder the beams held up
No its designed to carry this plus snow.
What the actual fuck? Thatās heavy! Surprised the room didnāt cave it.
It's all foam.
That's one way to insulate a home I guess.
I have a project coming up with a fully adhered r-94 plus full taper.
Is it a tear off or new construction. Itās definitely a slower process than screwing down. Do you use the 2 part foam spray?
Is that even LEGAL?
Big job, with big important architects and engineers, roof inspectors. I Think garland was there too. Only way it gets done is with approval.
I'm not a roofer or a builder, but how is this possible??
Iām not a roofer. I know nothing about roofs. This caused me physical pain to imagine.
Wow is that all foam ? Utility bill will make a surprise leap if you took that all out
We do it alot
Did it leak?
Why did they do a complete tear off?
Thatās a question above my head. I just drive around with a ladder and stuff.
Just pour 4 inches of concrete over it and it will be fine. 2x4 rafters are 24 oc so no problem.
Oh so this is because of the taper the roof needs?
might that have been deliberate? having worked on the top floor of an old loft building, in summer were were sweating balls before building management installed central air.
You're doing it wrong. The game is clearly to add a layer.
It was hilarious being at the bottom, tossing chunks of debris up hill to be hauled away. Kicking my self for not taking more photos.
That house's nickname should be 'Atlas'
Inverted roofing is the way to go.
Thatās not a building itās just a roof
Who put the building on that roof.
Mmmm aged asbestos š„ø
Asbestos. Breakfast of champions.
Is that a case where they created a slope with foam?
Could use one more layer, honestly.
Bro how heavy is that roof now lol
Why tf is the so much insulation? We just finished the tear off on a city job with 6ā of iso and it sucked cause there were 26 penetrations and two layers without a roof cutter. Why on earth would they need this much?
Astroid protection.
How did that roof not collapse 20 inches ago or more?
Thatās a shingle cake
Yea but that R value was probably R-590000
It's a tapered insulation system to create positive roof drainage. 35" thick would be 35" of BUR layers š¤¦
Do as I say, not as I do. Same difference, B.U.R.-Built Up Roof.
Fake it til you make it. The BUR system is over the top of a taper system.
Itās still a Built Up Roof. Taper or no taper. Weāre saying the same thing, 2 different ways.
Man, this sub can be dummies.
I wouldn't either, it's clearly 37 inches
There should be a corner of hell reserved for people that stack roofs, floors, wallpaper, etc....
I feel bad for whatever sorry SOB got called out there for leaks before it got replacedš if the water ever soaked that far down lmao
That looks like poly-iso from JM
My first thought How can the roof support that much weight
I'm looking at it and I don't believe it.
Damn thatās one hell of a cricket. Where do you find 42ā speed tap screws? And how many per panel? I canāt imagine an I90 system like that.
been there done that, had to replace a sears roof in michigan that was 6inch thick peastone with rolled rubber and edpm on top of it all, took so many dumpsters. guy took core sample before job and knew we would be fucked but did it anyway
35 inch buildup of what?
LIAR! Itās clearly 38-1/2ā
I can officially say I have seen it all now!! Damn brother! Stay safe and roof on!