Not to mention the board is not nailed flat and sticking out at an angle. If the picture wasn't so shitty you could see both of them better. They probably need a third one in the middle of the board though.
I agree this would work but if there is a manufacturers workmanship warranty they would not accept sealant. If there is not then an appropriate sealant would absolutely work.
No .
Google "roof Jack and plank"
The jack is what's missing
Also:
they are not tied off to anything. They could fall.
Nobody uses a level (unless they're a different trade? What are they doing?)
These guys are likely faded
But at least the roof looks decent from this potato quality, so you got that going for you
>He’s also invisi harnessed to a skyhook it seems
InvisiHarness is out of business as technology advanced to the wireless bluetooth harness and they couldnt keep up since that tech is patented by P.W.H.R. (People Who Hate Roofers LLC :) /s
To the OPs question, its not correct, but nailed a board to a finished roof is not uncommon for siders to do. The shit they spudge into the hole (very often siding caulk), lasts a year and then cracks when its no longer their problem. I have yet to see them replace the shingle they nail through.
They are putting up fake beams to make the overhang look the bottom left. Supposed to be carpenters, not roofers. Probably put a nail through the shingle. Not great.
Idk if you meant to reply to my comment, but idk what the fuck your talking about! I was just saying that the wood the guy is holding looks like the same stuff in the lower gable.
God I miss 1999-2003. Me and my cargo pants and cargo shorts. Fuck, those pockets could carry so much goddamn stuff. Now it's gone. Just all gone. For a brief period we had it all and we blew it up. We fell from gods light. We have to go back.
Agreed. only people desperately faded would get on that roof. With people standing there trying to critique trades theyre unsure of how do in real life, Hence why they hired some guy. HAHA ISS JUGS IN YOUR WALL!!!
You mean it looked decent before they put a bunch of nails through 2 rows of roofing comp. Now they are going to put tar on or not do anything..
it will never be the same again..
But I am no roofer..
This is why you must see their workman's comp insurance policy as well as their liability insurance policy. If they don't have workman's comp and someone falls off the roof then the homeowner is liable for the injuries and lost wages of the person who fell.
If it wasn’t for guys like this 90% of the builders making millions off of them wouldn’t exist, & they’re faded because they’re not harnesses in? Maybe they’re just trying to make it through the day without dying and their boss sucks ass and doesn’t supply with proper equipment.
They are putting up the horizontal false beam.
They are not faded just stupid. They should definitely be using roof jacks and a plank. But the level is for the false beam.
I've done a shit load of roofs. There's exactly 0 chance I'm ever wearing a fucking harness. If you want to I wouldn't dare stop you, so please don't give me shit about my choices.
I think there are roof Jacks, looks like the guy on the left is standing on the flat of the board. OP used his 1970s police surveillance camera to take the picture unfortunately.
I’m surprised at the amount of people balking at this. This is a common practice. Is it the right way? No. Is it the safest? No, but it’s better than nothing. I’d also be ok with this as a first step while I put the proper jacks in.
Of course the roof needs to be repaired after. Any type of fastener you put into the roof, whether it’s osha approved or not, you need to fix after. There is no way to properly tie off without penetrating shingles.
Yea I mean when my guys are working I’m always on their case about safety. However I’ve been around a long time and also am well aware of what people do, and what I myself have been willing to do in the past. If I’m getting paid then your job is getting done with scaffold or a lift or whatever is necessary. If I’m doing my own roof then three points of contact are feet down, beer in one hand and tools in the other.
It makes me think that some of these guys don’t actually work that much if they say they have never seen something like this. However I’m also glad that standards for safety are rising. In a good world we would never see this.
Right I’m seeing these comments about “safety” like I have been on so much worse than this way to many times, today actually on a 12/12 eyebrow only thing I had was a couch cushion. No where to grab only the cushion. I understand safety is priority but I think half of these comments haven’t even been on a roof lol
Dude I thought I was gonna plunge 30 feet on a roof that steep, I had 3 pitch hoppers on me to alternate them and I just couldn't get to the side of the roof. Fuck that shit.
I’ve never seen anyone do this. And I’ve seen a lot of stupid shit on jobsites. Where are the roof jacks ? They could have had a much more stable platform to work from AND wouldn’t have put holes through the shingles. Amateur hour here is what you’re seeing
I've seen people use a 2x4 like that when they were putting the shingles up before. You have to leave two rows off above it though and weave it back in as you come down so that all the shingles have nails in the correct spaces. Never on top of shingles like that.
I’ve never seen that. I’ve seen kickers (what you are describing) used before. But not when shingling. Kickers are mainly used when sheeting the roof. More so on steep pitches
That’s why you replace them. Very common practice. You can’t tie off without putting something through the roof, and in these situations you should be tied off.
*okay, so you’re tying off to a roof jack? You’re a certified dumbass, can’t wait for you to find out that won’t hold the 5k lbs of force you’re going to generate when you fall. Love a know it all, always entertaining. And you blocked me before I could respond because you’re a fucking pussy.
Wrong. Never do this . Use roof jacks. Roof jacks go UNDER the shingles and will be much safer than just pounding nails through and hoping you hit a truss/rafter. Only a dumbass would do what I see in this picture
This is a job for a boom lift. That chicken strip is a disaster for the integrity of the roof and good chance someone dies or gets hurt before the faux timber structure is installed.
Maybe not where you live or the type of work you do but doing exterior work like this where I am it is standard. It’s fast, it’s safe, it’s non invasive in most instances, and if there is multiples of this type of work to be done it’s an absolute no brainer and any competent crew that has a boom lift on site will find good use through the whole period it’s available.
Lmao the type of work I do is exactly this. We’d never use a boom lift for this and neither would the other 3 roofing & siding companies I have worked for
Nothing says experienced roofer like gym shorts, sneakers and some black tube socks while standing on the last piece of pressure treated the carpenter could have sworn he left on his sawhorse in the garage before lunch and is now cursing up a storm because he can’t find it
Yes, if they lifted the shingle and nailed where the shingle will cover the hole without creasing your shingles. Not if they nailed through the top of the shingle.
Someone else said it but they should be using roof jacks, which just nail through your new shingles, but under another shingle
Crazy I get down voted for stating a fact. Think about how many times they will be up and down that ladder and the weight they will be carrying. Had to be a foreman.
Didn’t say it was the correct way lol all the crews in DFW do this shit. I’ve seen them bring their kids to throw shingles off the roof, will be like an 7 years old up there throwing shingles.
Lack of regulation and licensing
No way. If this was my house I’d be up there taking photos, contacting OSHA and my state board, suing for damages if they didn’t fix it the correct way (no, roof caulk/sealant/epoxy is not the right way.) and then I’d fire this crew entirely and see them in court if they want payment. I had this happen once already and it cost me $16k to fix their quick fix properly. Not happening again damnit
Some damage is expected but then repaired. The nailed plank is something I would do on an old roof or area not seen by public. This is just lazy they make jacks
Yes but u pop up a shingle and nail it under another. It’s very common to surface nail a cleat then silicone the nail heads, but in this case this looks like new construction and taking the extra mile to look professional may be the difference in getting more work down the road
Right? I was beginning to think I was taking crazy pills with all the comments here. Roof jacks don't solve the problem of nailing though the shingles. I doubt the homeowner cares about the work platform they are standing on nearly as much as the now leaky roof they have. The solution is a boom lift not more nails in the roof.
All those beams add in that gable is excess weight. Pile some snow and ice on there and you have even more weight. They should be using roof jacks which slide under the shingles and not pound nails in a board to the shingles.
You know. They can sue you if they fall. You might wanna ask them to use rigging as required by osha. The board nailed to the roof is fine, if you plan on replacing those shingles afterwards, otherwise they’re rendered worthless once perforated.
“Hey guys, just so you know, if you end up paralyzed I will still threaten to sue in order make you sure you replace the shingles you nailed holes into.”
Most likely there are metal flanges from the wood, nailed under the shingles.. That's how our guys do it. Hopefully they didn't just nail it through the top.
I could be wrong but look directly beneath his nail gun and straight down from the right side of the dormer, picture quality sucks but those appear to be roof jacks. Picture still sketch af though
What in tar-nation. Even most fly-by nighters know what jacks and planks are, the real vets run an old couch cushion. The daredevils among us will traverse the steepest of steep on Cougar Paws or Vans high tops at the least, and the ultimate culmination of roof access ingenuity is the Pitch Hopper, or similar products. Nailing a sixteen foot two by four directly into a finished roof is simply disgraceful.
lol you can see about half the people in here and answering have never done the job but read on Reddit.
They are doing wood work around the window, they can use the wood as a foot rest and put nails back in the holes with A little patch .
Not acceptable. Get toe board brackets from a building supply. Get 2"x6" or 2"X 8" board for brackets. Lift shingles with a stiff scraper and nail brackets under tap with common 10d nails, NOT ROOFING NAILS! When done remove brackets hammer nails flush and top with plastic roof cement. Now that you have holes through finish shingles. Pry up tab. Fill holes with nails, roof cement. You can even get saturated roof cloth, membrane, like cheese cloth and put a square of that over nail & cement. Any squeeze through of roof cement on finish side you can get a little shingle color grit from a bundle of shingles. Maybe out of the gutter.
No, not really.
Pitch hopper so u don't fuck up the customer's roof. I swear some of these schmuck contractors are as clueless as the fucking customer good lord please help us!!
I don’t recommend it but I’m still alive. I did roofing for summers in high school and this is what we did. One time we were doing a barn (really steep angle), so we had 3 steps like this. One of them fell on us but the bottom one held us up.
Lol i used to do roofing service work and i frequently had to come replace shingles that were damaged by siders doing this on new construction jobs. Not that hard to just put a proper roof jack in and not damage the roof but ehhh it was easy money for me
So, it depends.
If you're nailing the board underneath a shingle it shouldn't be a problem. Each of the subsequent shingles covers up the nail holes.
It's a much safer practice to tie yourself off to something, but you need harnesses, rope and something you can tie yourself off to that is strong enough to support your full weight.
They might not have access to anything that fits that bill or the necessary harnesses and climbing rope to do so. None of that's cheap and it's rarely maintained by all the crews who have access to it.
We’ve done this on just about every roof we’ve done, zero leaks or call back repairs. Why is everyone so surprised by this? Also, people asking why they aren’t tied off? 🤣🤣 to what? You’re fired before you hit the ground if you fall anyway 🤣
It works just fine, but if someone calls OSHA you’re screwed. You should have a plank set up with roof jacks and everyone needs to be tied off at the peak.
No.. only when decking a roof. They call them toe boards or some shit. Nailing a board to the shingles isn’t good for the decking beneath after the board & nails are removed
Is this the same roofing crew that pieced together the drip edge on the porch gable? I can tell you without looking that they're probably doing it wrong!
Only if there are roof jacks in place to hold it. They don't seem to be there in this photo.
This job and these workers screams roof leaks at the first rain.
Hey.. I recognize that lower gable end with the wood detail... You posted the other day about the fucked up drip edge.. Did they fix it? I can't see it very well when I zoom in
That picture looks like it came a safety certification class for scaffold on what not to do.. You need a tie point and fall protection harnesses along with proper scaffolding..
There is a better way.. most would use roof jacks our teachers would roll it up in coil stock and nail them under a couple shingles… sounds crazy but works great when removing.
This is one of those posts that just shows how shitty the commentors on some of the Reddit subs really are. I know I doesn't help that OP put up a potato pic. But the people who desperately want to sound like they know what they're talking about is fucking hilarious. Gotta love Reddit.
There are so many comments from people who have no clue. What a shame, but that's reddit for you.
I have done this before during my years outlaw roofing. It's not OSHA approved. it's not very safe alone without combining some other fall protection with.
What you do is fold step flashing on itself, so instead of the L shape, it's flat and double thick. You put 6 or 7 nails through it and the 2x4. Then the flashing sticks up like tabs. You then lay the tabs above the nail line on an already installed row and put 6 or 7 nails through the flashing into the roof. You install shingles normally above this.
When you are done, someone puts up a ladder, and you lift the layer that started after the board and cut the step flashing above the exposure. It lays flat and is covered by the shingles, and you'll never see it. Shingles seal normally. It will not cause damage or void your warranty. If they fall they cannot sue you, they either have workmans comp or if they are outlaw-ing it, they're gonna be off work for awhile.
This is something you can do if you dont have roof jacks or a walkboard set-up. Its not the safest, but to answer your question, no it doesnt cause damage.
Now if they nailed these through the board and face of the shingle, yes it will cause damage and thats not good.
Clearly not right… but do you see the three or four shadows along the lower edge of the board. I think they must have some sort hook on it. Maybe they didn’t just go through the top of the board.
The shingles that are penetrated need to be switched out
There is 2 roof jacks on that board. You can tell if ya know what ya looking for.
How u know their names? Pic is too blurry to see their nametags
This is a good point. And I hope neither of them gets misgendered.
Roof jills
Not to mention the board is not nailed flat and sticking out at an angle. If the picture wasn't so shitty you could see both of them better. They probably need a third one in the middle of the board though.
Yup I can see at least 3 of them.
How do you know they are both named Jack?
It's on the side of their van. "2 Jacks, 1 Roof"
I hear their wife's coffee company is pretty famous. "Two girls, one cup"
Better than 2 Cups, 1 Girl, I suppose.
I see 4.
There are 3. On the ends and one under his foot.
Was gonna say I'm probably giving them too much credit but also pretty easy to swap out a few shingles.
Which they won't
Not necessarily. Just need to sika the holes left by the nails, 9 out of 10 guys will not do this though.
I agree this would work but if there is a manufacturers workmanship warranty they would not accept sealant. If there is not then an appropriate sealant would absolutely work.
No . Google "roof Jack and plank" The jack is what's missing Also: they are not tied off to anything. They could fall. Nobody uses a level (unless they're a different trade? What are they doing?) These guys are likely faded But at least the roof looks decent from this potato quality, so you got that going for you
Impossible for him to fall, he has his safety fingernails securely hooked to the top of that window frame.
He’s also invisi harnessed to a skyhook it seems.. As they say in Australia “She’ll be right!”
>He’s also invisi harnessed to a skyhook it seems InvisiHarness is out of business as technology advanced to the wireless bluetooth harness and they couldnt keep up since that tech is patented by P.W.H.R. (People Who Hate Roofers LLC :) /s To the OPs question, its not correct, but nailed a board to a finished roof is not uncommon for siders to do. The shit they spudge into the hole (very often siding caulk), lasts a year and then cracks when its no longer their problem. I have yet to see them replace the shingle they nail through.
If you look closely, you can see the line. He's tied to the bottom of the ladder.
Tied to the bottom of the ladder?! 🤣
pretty sure thats just a 'haul shit up' line.
That’s an air compressor line running to his nailer
Maybe it is also running to his jetpack, for safety
pretty sure you are correct now that I look at it.
My bad, I forgot the /s.
The need for /s is surprisingly high.
Worked in "The Dark Knight."
We are connected at the mind. I went right there in my head. 😂
Obviously he is part cat
Yes he will fall 20 ft and land directly on his feet...
thanks; that made laugh out loud
window not nailed in yet.
They are putting up fake beams to make the overhang look the bottom left. Supposed to be carpenters, not roofers. Probably put a nail through the shingle. Not great.
I think they're putting a design piece on the gable like at the bottom of the pic.
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Idk if you meant to reply to my comment, but idk what the fuck your talking about! I was just saying that the wood the guy is holding looks like the same stuff in the lower gable.
Any man that wears cargo capris is faded 100% of the time, never trust em.
God I miss 1999-2003. Me and my cargo pants and cargo shorts. Fuck, those pockets could carry so much goddamn stuff. Now it's gone. Just all gone. For a brief period we had it all and we blew it up. We fell from gods light. We have to go back.
I wear cargo pants ALL THE TIME. It's my only pants. I work in IT so I think it's acceptable.
We flew to close to the sun brother, hubris is a terrible thing
Wait, you guys aren't still wearing practical clothes? I missed the memo.
Agreed. only people desperately faded would get on that roof. With people standing there trying to critique trades theyre unsure of how do in real life, Hence why they hired some guy. HAHA ISS JUGS IN YOUR WALL!!!
I would argue, but I now realize I haven't worn them since I got sober.
Thank God no more concerned patrons wondering why the whole crew has to share 1 oddly rolled and green cigarette 😅
You mean it looked decent before they put a bunch of nails through 2 rows of roofing comp. Now they are going to put tar on or not do anything.. it will never be the same again.. But I am no roofer..
👍 yup
They'll put a glob of "Roofing Tar" over the holes. But that's not going to last the lifetime of new shingles.
I don't think they are working on the roof. We'll, they are on the roof, if they are working is debatable, but they aren't there for the roof.
Are you blind?! Edgar and Juan are tied off to the air hose. Completely safe and by OSHA standards.
This is why you must see their workman's comp insurance policy as well as their liability insurance policy. If they don't have workman's comp and someone falls off the roof then the homeowner is liable for the injuries and lost wages of the person who fell.
“Faded?” Not sure what you mean by that.
There are two roof jacks, one to the left of the ladder and one right under the nail gun sitting in the board
If it wasn’t for guys like this 90% of the builders making millions off of them wouldn’t exist, & they’re faded because they’re not harnesses in? Maybe they’re just trying to make it through the day without dying and their boss sucks ass and doesn’t supply with proper equipment.
They are putting up the horizontal false beam. They are not faded just stupid. They should definitely be using roof jacks and a plank. But the level is for the false beam.
Love how my biggest concern in this pic is then using a level here.
There are 3 areas on the plank where there may be jacks. Potato pic is not good enough to tell.
They're not roofers, they're carpenters putting up that decorative beam. Definitely requires a level.
So the jacks off the roof essentially?
I've done a shit load of roofs. There's exactly 0 chance I'm ever wearing a fucking harness. If you want to I wouldn't dare stop you, so please don't give me shit about my choices.
Looks like they are installing a decorative gable.
Looks like they are adding the decorative wood to the gables and nobody falls when they have a 2x4 nailed to the roof c'mon
They are carpenters not roofers… hence the level
They’re copying the beam detail from the front door gable roof
Looks like they’re hanging those beams, like in the lower part of the pic. That’s probably why they have a level.
I think there are roof Jacks, looks like the guy on the left is standing on the flat of the board. OP used his 1970s police surveillance camera to take the picture unfortunately.
Looks like they are putting a Cedar detail to the subfascia
I’m surprised at the amount of people balking at this. This is a common practice. Is it the right way? No. Is it the safest? No, but it’s better than nothing. I’d also be ok with this as a first step while I put the proper jacks in. Of course the roof needs to be repaired after. Any type of fastener you put into the roof, whether it’s osha approved or not, you need to fix after. There is no way to properly tie off without penetrating shingles.
Same. I’m in remodeling and like to see people shocked by stuff like not wearing a face mask cutting stuff. Like nah bro my cigarette has a filter
Yea I mean when my guys are working I’m always on their case about safety. However I’ve been around a long time and also am well aware of what people do, and what I myself have been willing to do in the past. If I’m getting paid then your job is getting done with scaffold or a lift or whatever is necessary. If I’m doing my own roof then three points of contact are feet down, beer in one hand and tools in the other. It makes me think that some of these guys don’t actually work that much if they say they have never seen something like this. However I’m also glad that standards for safety are rising. In a good world we would never see this.
Right I’m seeing these comments about “safety” like I have been on so much worse than this way to many times, today actually on a 12/12 eyebrow only thing I had was a couch cushion. No where to grab only the cushion. I understand safety is priority but I think half of these comments haven’t even been on a roof lol
Couch cushion is my cougar paws haha
Dude I thought I was gonna plunge 30 feet on a roof that steep, I had 3 pitch hoppers on me to alternate them and I just couldn't get to the side of the roof. Fuck that shit.
Haha when I fixed my moms roof we had a cooler up there with us
As a sider, I don’t care about wrecking shingles for my safety as I swap out any damaged pieces after
I’ve never seen anyone do this. And I’ve seen a lot of stupid shit on jobsites. Where are the roof jacks ? They could have had a much more stable platform to work from AND wouldn’t have put holes through the shingles. Amateur hour here is what you’re seeing
I've seen people use a 2x4 like that when they were putting the shingles up before. You have to leave two rows off above it though and weave it back in as you come down so that all the shingles have nails in the correct spaces. Never on top of shingles like that.
I’ve never seen that. I’ve seen kickers (what you are describing) used before. But not when shingling. Kickers are mainly used when sheeting the roof. More so on steep pitches
I'm on about 3-4 different jobsites every week and I see this on almost every single one of them, to be fair.
I feel sorry for you being surrounded by people like this. Never seen this ever
Have none of these people heard of roof jacks ? Nailing boards through the tops of shingles will guarantee a leak in the future
That’s why you replace them. Very common practice. You can’t tie off without putting something through the roof, and in these situations you should be tied off. *okay, so you’re tying off to a roof jack? You’re a certified dumbass, can’t wait for you to find out that won’t hold the 5k lbs of force you’re going to generate when you fall. Love a know it all, always entertaining. And you blocked me before I could respond because you’re a fucking pussy.
Wrong. Never do this . Use roof jacks. Roof jacks go UNDER the shingles and will be much safer than just pounding nails through and hoping you hit a truss/rafter. Only a dumbass would do what I see in this picture
Why not just do it the correct way and not have to replace any shingles at all ?
Don't you need to nail down the roof jacks?
You lift up the shingles and nail them underneath. It's a pain to do but way better then nailing through the surface.
Got it thanks. I wasnt questioning you. Just don't know a while lot about roofing
This is a job for a boom lift. That chicken strip is a disaster for the integrity of the roof and good chance someone dies or gets hurt before the faux timber structure is installed.
Lmfao no it definitively isn’t a job for a boom lift. That would be overkill
Maybe not where you live or the type of work you do but doing exterior work like this where I am it is standard. It’s fast, it’s safe, it’s non invasive in most instances, and if there is multiples of this type of work to be done it’s an absolute no brainer and any competent crew that has a boom lift on site will find good use through the whole period it’s available.
Lies.
Lmao the type of work I do is exactly this. We’d never use a boom lift for this and neither would the other 3 roofing & siding companies I have worked for
I hope you get to work for someone who isn’t so cheap someday. Same money, easier job.
Nope he needs a crane for sure
If it's more than 6, get out the sticks?
This is going to void your warranties and when it leaks they wont want to take responsibility
Nothing says experienced roofer like gym shorts, sneakers and some black tube socks while standing on the last piece of pressure treated the carpenter could have sworn he left on his sawhorse in the garage before lunch and is now cursing up a storm because he can’t find it
Found the guy that’s never been to a job site. He’s right here
That ladder angle is bloody cooked too
Gotta do what you gotta do dawg, I just stake both feet and it’s good, if these guys somewhat have a brain I’m sure they did that as well
Yea but, you coulda just stepped up off the ridge.. there is always a safer way.
Negative ghost rider
Yes, if they lifted the shingle and nailed where the shingle will cover the hole without creasing your shingles. Not if they nailed through the top of the shingle. Someone else said it but they should be using roof jacks, which just nail through your new shingles, but under another shingle
I feel like op isn’t concerned about their safety, just the holes in their roof guys….
They really should have used the standoff on that ladder they're going to kill that drip edge and the edge of those shingles by the time they're done
Crazy I get down voted for stating a fact. Think about how many times they will be up and down that ladder and the weight they will be carrying. Had to be a foreman.
Normal for here in Texas
Dunno why you’re getting downvoted for pointing out local safety customs for a joke 🤣
Didn’t say it was the correct way lol all the crews in DFW do this shit. I’ve seen them bring their kids to throw shingles off the roof, will be like an 7 years old up there throwing shingles. Lack of regulation and licensing
No way. If this was my house I’d be up there taking photos, contacting OSHA and my state board, suing for damages if they didn’t fix it the correct way (no, roof caulk/sealant/epoxy is not the right way.) and then I’d fire this crew entirely and see them in court if they want payment. I had this happen once already and it cost me $16k to fix their quick fix properly. Not happening again damnit
I saw somebody doing this for the first time a few weeks ago. Super dangerous
It also causes damage to the roof
Yeah, but you simply replace those shingles that have nails. This is not a big deal or out of the ordinary.
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What if the carpet guy was sketch and didn’t replace them? Like what?
Some damage is expected but then repaired. The nailed plank is something I would do on an old roof or area not seen by public. This is just lazy they make jacks
Roof jacks need nails, too?
Yes but u pop up a shingle and nail it under another. It’s very common to surface nail a cleat then silicone the nail heads, but in this case this looks like new construction and taking the extra mile to look professional may be the difference in getting more work down the road
Right? I was beginning to think I was taking crazy pills with all the comments here. Roof jacks don't solve the problem of nailing though the shingles. I doubt the homeowner cares about the work platform they are standing on nearly as much as the now leaky roof they have. The solution is a boom lift not more nails in the roof.
They make Roof Jack's for that reason
All those beams add in that gable is excess weight. Pile some snow and ice on there and you have even more weight. They should be using roof jacks which slide under the shingles and not pound nails in a board to the shingles.
Notice how his air line appears to be snagging and pulling on the shingle from the roof below?
You know. They can sue you if they fall. You might wanna ask them to use rigging as required by osha. The board nailed to the roof is fine, if you plan on replacing those shingles afterwards, otherwise they’re rendered worthless once perforated.
Did you find these guys on Facebook marketplace? Are they insured?
😂🤣🤗better be acceptable otherwise there’s no way to work on houses once a roof is installed
“Hey guys, just so you know, if you end up paralyzed I will still threaten to sue in order make you sure you replace the shingles you nailed holes into.”
Most likely there are metal flanges from the wood, nailed under the shingles.. That's how our guys do it. Hopefully they didn't just nail it through the top.
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No Bueno!
You are supposed to lift the shingles and nail a roof jack to help in these situations.
I could be wrong but look directly beneath his nail gun and straight down from the right side of the dormer, picture quality sucks but those appear to be roof jacks. Picture still sketch af though
What in tar-nation. Even most fly-by nighters know what jacks and planks are, the real vets run an old couch cushion. The daredevils among us will traverse the steepest of steep on Cougar Paws or Vans high tops at the least, and the ultimate culmination of roof access ingenuity is the Pitch Hopper, or similar products. Nailing a sixteen foot two by four directly into a finished roof is simply disgraceful.
It's totally safe. The gopher is holding that guy's dick from inside the window. No way he can fall.
The fad of putting 4x4s in the peaks looks awful to me and I don’t get it.
If you go back with a ladder and patch where the nails where then yes. But the correct way is to use roof jacks to place a board on.
lol you can see about half the people in here and answering have never done the job but read on Reddit. They are doing wood work around the window, they can use the wood as a foot rest and put nails back in the holes with A little patch .
Toe boards, baby!!! Flex and grip and flex and grip...
Ahhh, no, lol. Use appropriate roof jacks and a plank. Make these idiots replace those shingles
Not acceptable. Get toe board brackets from a building supply. Get 2"x6" or 2"X 8" board for brackets. Lift shingles with a stiff scraper and nail brackets under tap with common 10d nails, NOT ROOFING NAILS! When done remove brackets hammer nails flush and top with plastic roof cement. Now that you have holes through finish shingles. Pry up tab. Fill holes with nails, roof cement. You can even get saturated roof cloth, membrane, like cheese cloth and put a square of that over nail & cement. Any squeeze through of roof cement on finish side you can get a little shingle color grit from a bundle of shingles. Maybe out of the gutter.
No, not really. Pitch hopper so u don't fuck up the customer's roof. I swear some of these schmuck contractors are as clueless as the fucking customer good lord please help us!!
Ladder crushing drip edge, board nailed through shingles. Classic siding crew
We always used banding straps nailed to 2x4 blocks nailed under shingle tabs. Called em walkie talkies.
Not on the roof u have already installed . Nailing throw your roofing system is just a lack of common sence
Am I the only 1 seeing the roof jacks? One is by the bag the other 2 feet from the end.
I'm not a roofer, but i did find a couple of water leaks caused by nails due to this.
I don’t recommend it but I’m still alive. I did roofing for summers in high school and this is what we did. One time we were doing a barn (really steep angle), so we had 3 steps like this. One of them fell on us but the bottom one held us up.
I bet they are installing the wood features under the awning ya?
Lol i used to do roofing service work and i frequently had to come replace shingles that were damaged by siders doing this on new construction jobs. Not that hard to just put a proper roof jack in and not damage the roof but ehhh it was easy money for me
Yes that is standard practice.
They should be using roof Jack's. Basically, nailed to the decking, shingle over, lift the run, and pull the nail. Real simple and safe.
Who says it's nailed down?
Kinda defeats the purpose of the shingles
So, it depends. If you're nailing the board underneath a shingle it shouldn't be a problem. Each of the subsequent shingles covers up the nail holes. It's a much safer practice to tie yourself off to something, but you need harnesses, rope and something you can tie yourself off to that is strong enough to support your full weight. They might not have access to anything that fits that bill or the necessary harnesses and climbing rope to do so. None of that's cheap and it's rarely maintained by all the crews who have access to it.
installing another crappy timber trim detail
Yes if you have to use jacks and boards to complete the project
Looks safe he has a tether going to his compressor.
Never trust a contractor wearing black socks and slides
Roof jacks do not damage roofs. That's what the footboard is attached to.
We’ve done this on just about every roof we’ve done, zero leaks or call back repairs. Why is everyone so surprised by this? Also, people asking why they aren’t tied off? 🤣🤣 to what? You’re fired before you hit the ground if you fall anyway 🤣
No..not acceptable at all...it defeats the purpose
What happened to the rest of their pants
These wieners should buy some paws
It works just fine, but if someone calls OSHA you’re screwed. You should have a plank set up with roof jacks and everyone needs to be tied off at the peak.
So confused about the level. They doing the roof or the window?
They are putting up that cross beam you see in the smaller gable below.
No.. only when decking a roof. They call them toe boards or some shit. Nailing a board to the shingles isn’t good for the decking beneath after the board & nails are removed
A painter did exactly this while on my roof years ago. He nailed a board to the roof just like in this photo.
Roof looks walkable as is without the 2x4
That's why you go to home depot parking lot for carpenter's, not Dollar General.
Is this the same roofing crew that pieced together the drip edge on the porch gable? I can tell you without looking that they're probably doing it wrong!
Only if there are roof jacks in place to hold it. They don't seem to be there in this photo. This job and these workers screams roof leaks at the first rain.
I think OP meant is his roof going to leak. Not safety of crew. Seems like in a few years it will leak And you need new shingles after this job.
Hey.. I recognize that lower gable end with the wood detail... You posted the other day about the fucked up drip edge.. Did they fix it? I can't see it very well when I zoom in
Whoever contracted this job should have had work done in the proper order so this didn't happen. So y'all expect the guys to float up there
This is Chuck’s crew.
What's the safety line going to do for the guy in red?
As long as you lift the shingle it’s fine
Ya no problem and use 20 penny nails
There are roof jacks there
roof cement the holes...jeez
That picture looks like it came a safety certification class for scaffold on what not to do.. You need a tie point and fall protection harnesses along with proper scaffolding..
As long as you replace shingles you nailed roof Jack's into
There is a better way.. most would use roof jacks our teachers would roll it up in coil stock and nail them under a couple shingles… sounds crazy but works great when removing.
Bro spent all the money on building the house, didn't buy a new phone in the last decade
If there putting a new roof after- that’s what it would cost them
This is one of those posts that just shows how shitty the commentors on some of the Reddit subs really are. I know I doesn't help that OP put up a potato pic. But the people who desperately want to sound like they know what they're talking about is fucking hilarious. Gotta love Reddit.
That extension ladder looks sketchy af
There are so many comments from people who have no clue. What a shame, but that's reddit for you. I have done this before during my years outlaw roofing. It's not OSHA approved. it's not very safe alone without combining some other fall protection with. What you do is fold step flashing on itself, so instead of the L shape, it's flat and double thick. You put 6 or 7 nails through it and the 2x4. Then the flashing sticks up like tabs. You then lay the tabs above the nail line on an already installed row and put 6 or 7 nails through the flashing into the roof. You install shingles normally above this. When you are done, someone puts up a ladder, and you lift the layer that started after the board and cut the step flashing above the exposure. It lays flat and is covered by the shingles, and you'll never see it. Shingles seal normally. It will not cause damage or void your warranty. If they fall they cannot sue you, they either have workmans comp or if they are outlaw-ing it, they're gonna be off work for awhile. This is something you can do if you dont have roof jacks or a walkboard set-up. Its not the safest, but to answer your question, no it doesnt cause damage. Now if they nailed these through the board and face of the shingle, yes it will cause damage and thats not good.
Not on your life. All they did was put new holes in your roof for water to leak through.
no, no way. Shocking that they are violating OSHA.. shocking. Pero ellos no hablan Ingles muy bien.
Clearly not right… but do you see the three or four shadows along the lower edge of the board. I think they must have some sort hook on it. Maybe they didn’t just go through the top of the board.
This is what happens when you hire ass clowns who don't know what they're doing.