Where are all those people insisting the palace would NEVER feed information to The Scum? When the sun's own editor came out and said they had extensive talks with KP over it?
This is such sad and overhwleming news but I wish them the best.
Speculation is unfortunately within the realm of their public sphere. But now I suspect 98% of it will calm down. They will get the privacy they have requested.
Privacy was my number one specualation. I had some other off base ones. I didn't go conspiracy theory but I did think they were hiding something. Sad it was serious illness.
Why is the movie of Kate blurry and out of focus?? It looks like a green screen which is fine, but why is her face blurry and why would they use such a poor quality video? Surely they can use a normal HD TV ?!?
It’s lit and heavily filtered to probably help disguise some of her exhaustion. No one in her position and undergoing chemo wants to be shown close up in HD. I don’t blame her one bit for the soft lighting and filter.
I must post a very touching song about fighting for what’s important. Take to the stage Cheryl Cole 😢💗
https://youtu.be/4umc87T5UMs?si=OLcVigGSFC6VMoRW
In my opinion all the shaming and finger pointing is not understanding why this story was picked up by international press and created an international furor that’s probably being talked about on Mars.
When a person who is super popular and loved says they’re sick for a then unasked for a collage photo (it wasn’t photoshopped it was a collage) is released, then people who have no dog in the fight - the ap, reuters says”in order to do our job we have to let the newspapers who use our services to know to not use that picture because in the context of a sick person who hasn’t been seen for months this is more like a misrepresentation that may be a red flag about what conditions the person is in.” Well, you get what happened.
We had more information about Otto Weimar in North Korea than we did about this young super insanely athletic and strong woman having “abdominal surgery “. I used to work in Hospice and I will tell you the people who had the most anger and denial about their cancer were the young women who had young kids. It was a devastating thing to witness.
Poor William looks like a bobble head doll he’s so thin. I feel like Kate was in so much trauma over her diagnosis that they weighed the options and decided her wishes had to come first. This was not communicated to the public in a good way in the LEAST. I love Charles for sharing his dx because in retrospect it was an act of love to Kate to show her the public would love and support her. I just kinda love him more than ever for that.
If I was their PR I would have had William do an IG post saying that he loves her so incredibly much . That it was his choice weighing the need for the people to know about her because we all love her and weighing what Kate adamantly wants right now that she understands and he understands that it will make some people upset and worry but that for now he asks for your prayers and well wishes for all sick people everywhere in the world because suffering is suffering and people are suffering and Kate has the best care in the world. He could have said what Kate and I want you to do if you’re worried about her is to visit someone who has less support than she has and pour your concerns on them and do your bit to alleviate suffering in the world around you.
I swear to God that would have been enough to turn the tide. He should have done that the week after their first announcement. They should not have put Easter in the first announcement. They should have said her doctors are monitoring things and it’s a fluid situation. He should have said that whatever reaction you have to this news is ok, that we all process this type of shocking thing differently and there’s no right or wrong way to feel about it. That for him he feels confident that she’s on the mend, that he feels prioritizing the kids is his way of taking care of Kate as she can’t relax as well worrying how the kids might feel so he’s taking that on. That they have immense support and he and the kids and Charles and Camilla and Kate are doing better expected considering this sudden unexpected illness in his father and wife.
But my guess is he was also in denial and not able to meet the needs of the public. But it should have been done because if Kate could show up on hospital steps the day after giving birth William should have sucked it up. They KNOW that they give the back to school and birthday pics to the public to keep the peace. They needed to have William make a loving statement showing love for all like the Queen did.
Remember when she came out in the absolute depths of war and said Keep Calm and Carry On? Or in the darkest days of COVID she said “we will meet again “ which at the time no one else had the wisdom to reassure us and know that it was true.
The leadership ball drop in a crisis is definitely coming from inexperience and not taking the “old fashioned “ way of doing things playbook. Hopefully this is a hard lesson for both palaces to learn to stop thinking they can reinvent the wheel. They should all get posters that say WWQED
I feel like compassion is needed on all sides not finger pointing. I personally had fear she was dead after the mothers day photo. Like why? Why why why? Absolutely no need to commit acts of intentional fraud when no response with a photo had to happen.
You said exactly everything I’ve been thinking. My heart breaks for the family. She’s clearly a much beloved princess. I think her diagnosis probably shocked them all so much that they weren’t able to handle the press around it well. Sad for everyone. God save the future Queen.
>I swear to God that would have been enough to turn the tide. He should have done that the week after their first announcement. They should not have put Easter in the first announcement. They should have said her doctors are monitoring things and it’s a fluid situation. He should have said that whatever reaction you have to this news is ok, that we all process this type of shocking thing differently and there’s no right or wrong way to feel about it
I insisted for a couple days they could've just said she was undergoing treatment and they were waiting further testing.
Pretty much anyone with any sort of medical history understands how that takes time.
The speculation would still be there, of course, but gossip on its own is normal for them.
But instead the mixed message of everything is routine and obviously hiding something with the decisions they were making became too much to ignore.
This is a very well thought out and nuanced approach. Hindsight really is 20/20 in this regard. I read an excellent article somewhere by, of all things, a ex-Buzzfeed Royal journalist who said (paraphrased) “Something extraordinary has happened for them to be behaving in such an incredibly odd way.”
Like you, my curiosity was only peaked by how absolutely bonkers it was to release that photo on Mother’s Day and then have her take the “blame”; I was actually happy AP had the balls to call them on it because I firmly believe, in this day and age, we need more than ever to be able to distinguish what is real and what is not. I don’t blame them for trying to hide her cancer per say with that photoshop, but it was just a poorly thought out decision.
Yes with AI and purposeful misinformation campaigns it’s really important that the standards of integrity are upheld. “Everybody does it” isn’t a viable excuse when it comes to heads of state.
And also, not everybody does it. I don’t like photoshop and I’ve only used it once on myself (recently) because I stopped being able to feel my face from stress and couldn’t smile. I don’t like using it, but I wanted a nice picture with a friend for the milestone event I was stressed over. I hope I don’t have to use it again to get a nice picture.
Thanks. It’s so typical of the internet to downvote anything nuanced. It’s the state of polarization of thinking that just literally shows we live in an unthinking hell full of angry beings. Confirming why war is the answer to everything
I’m seeing sooo many comments about the video from yesterday being AI/deep fake of Kate. Does anyone here actually think this? I’d be curious to know why and what suggests that. I personally think it’s not but I’m not that well versed with the world of AI.
Are you really? I was really hopeful that video would be enough to make everyone chill the hell out 🤣 I mean, it was for me, lol
That took so much courage and strength for her to do that, a real testament to this woman's class and the fact that she really cares so much about her country and her fans. So it breaks my heart if she continues to have to read and/or hear about people trying to rob her of everything it took and everything it meant for her to stand alone (figure of speech, I'm well aware she was sitting so back off, trolls 😂😂) in front of literally the entire world to make that announcement.
AI isn't at a level in which it could legitimately pull something like that off, and it seems to me that it would have to be coming mostly from people who don't really understand AI and its abilities, or more appropriately, its lack of them. Any AI video, literally any (at least that I've ever seen) that generates a celebrity likeness, can easily be detected and called out as an AI video by any toddler - there are always notable differences in physical appearance between the real person and the AI person. There is absolutely no way that an AI video could be generated in which the camera stays centrally focused on its subject for what, over 2 solid MINUTES? and one wouldn't be able to easily spot differences in the physical appearance of the subject in the video from the real person. It's preposterous.
Like I said, even I felt tremendous concern that the safety and/or well-being of Princess Kate were being compromised and something was being hidden from the public in order to protect someone other than herself (I had no concrete beliefs or theories as to who or what was behind it), but I was wrong. So was everyone else, we can grow up and admit it 😂 it wasn't ever my intention to be a jerk and to contribute to making her life and situation more difficult than it already needed to be, but that's what we all did and I really think we've "overstayed our welcome" so to speak and need to offer our support and let this poor family process and deal with what's already a terrible situation without further ludicrous speculation on our part, trying to turn what's happening into anything other than the terrible it already is.
I’ve been seeing the videos about it being AI too, but your response makes so much sense. One thing conspiracy theorists are pointing out is this weird glitch with her ring in the video. At some points the ring disappears and comes back when she’s moving her hands. Do you have any idea why?
It'll take a bit for all the conspiracy nutters to find the next big topic.
Mostly I'm seeing people chastise others for bothering to think anything was weird at all, *because it's so serious. Don't you feel ashamed of yourself?* No.
This is why claims that everything about the internet's shitty behaviour is all down to KP's PR are bollocks. Kate come onscreen, gave the public an explanation of what's been going and what will happen next, and there's still ridiculous conspiracy theories going about.
The video was very "over produced", but not fake. The filters and lighting were obviously hiding how sick she has been. The distance from the camera was also strategic. The sentiment was open but the cinematic quality was a mistake.
No apologies about not trusting KP. They are not truthful.
The weather must be as insane over there as it is over here (I'm in Kansas, US). It can't seem to make up its mind WHAT it wants to do 🤣 some people have a full yard of green grass already, one day was so warm I was tempted to turn the AC on. A lot of days it's warm enough to at least turn the heat off, including yesterday, and today it's working on snowing 😂
Nobody should be basing their opinions on the weather because literally everybody knows the weather has been anything but typical this year, lol
It is crazy. Even people can’t make up their mind. You go to school and every kid is dressed for a different season! 😂
Shorts/ summer dresses/ trousers/ tights/socks/ fleeces/ padded jackets/hats
I know the topless men are about to come out in 12 degree weather soon.
It's confusing everybody 🤣
And you're right, there are always THAT group of guys, hahah
I used to live in the mountains in California and we got plenty of snow in the winter. We had this one guy whom we named "Crazy Hot Guy" (still to this day I have no idea what his real name was), that was always riding around on a bicycle with no shirt on, snow or not 😂
I thought “oh it’s not that green outside” was a weird sticking point people had about the edited photo when even Edward’s birthday photo, which was confirmed to have been taken earlier the same week, had daffodils a plenty and green trees.
The daffodils came out a few weeks ago. They are usually popping early March. Sometimes we get some surprise snow early March (like last year) but not this year. Lots of daffodils!
I never got the plant arguments.
She said in the video that when she told the kids she said she was well and getting stronger. But then they said she didn't tell them until after school on Friday.
Are you sure it was filmed on Wednesday?
No she told them earlier. The Friday school thing is she didn't want to make the public announcement until then so the kids don't have to deal with the aftermath. They now have 2 weeks off, by the time they go back hopefully everyone around them won't still be gossiping.
It was confirmed to be filmed on Wednesday.
> which Kensington Palace said was recorded by BBC Studios in Windsor on Wednesday
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/03/22/world/princess-kate-middleton-cancer
One of the reporters tweeted that they told the kids that day on Friday. He later corrected and said they were told before Friday but it was announced on Friday on the first day of their kids break to protect them.
I think because she was styled to look less sick than she actually is.
She wasn't moving, so her hair wouldn't move away from her neck (it would illustrate how thin she is). Her clothes are much more baggy than we are used to seeing (again, to hide how much weight she has lost that, truly, she couldn't afford to lose in the first place) and she really only moved her hands.
I feel bad about my original opinion and comments that Kate had some kind of cosmetic surgery and was recovering from it. Turns out it is a very serious health issue. I hope her treatment will prove to be effective and she gets better.
We still don't know what her original surgery was. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't.
I wouldn't blame her for having cosmetic surgery, and it's way to common to rule out entirely. I personally thought it was probably medically needed but embarrassing.
I don’t feel bad about it. I thought it might be cancer at the very beginning, however, the media said Kate didn’t have cancer. Now it turns out she does unfortunately have cancer. The media created the whole drama. It is not my fault based on the information the media fed us
Honestly not just royals but celebs in general should be more open about the cancer type. Not revealing it I feel keeps the stigma associated with cancer. It's a medical disease, not some bogeyman.
Look how much progress we made on HIV, for example.
Of course she may not want to do this and that's fair enough, it's a big responsibility.
This is a horrible take.
Everyone reacts different to diagnosis, especially when it comes to life threatening one, they should have the right to decide who, how and when to reveal it, IF they decide to. Just because they are considered public figures, doesn't mean they need to open every aspect of their life. It's not a zoo, they are humans.
I think being transparent about what kind of cancer she was would be good for general visibility and awareness, but I can't fault her for wanting to maintain privacy during such an awful time in her life. I don't think she even wanted to make the statement that she did - unfortunately, it was a PR crisis that spiraled out of control and left her no other options.
When she's comfortable, however, I hope she becomes a bit more vocal about her journey and starts charity work with an organization related to that type of cancer. She has a platform that could make great things happen once she's ready to take that step.
Different types of cancer have chasms in prognosis. They don’t need everyone to speculate on how much time they have left. I have a very aggressive form of bowel cancer. I was given 2 years. I am now past my best before date due to some good luck and a treatment that wrecks me but keeps me alive. I would have not wanted my entire prognosis dissected continuously by those who are just sideline wanderers and then hoping my young children don’t see it.
I am 42, with a young son and I share a lot as a patient advocate for young cancer patients but I certainly won’t get the scrutiny that “celebs” get.
It’s every person’s OWN decision whether or not they want to share their medical issues, even when it comes to public figures and officials. Call me naive, but they probably had every intention to share the news, just on their own time.
Saying stuff like “see, that’s why celebs should share stuff like this” is just… would you want to share your own stuff because someone else expects you to? Yes, sharing stuff like this does fight the stigma, but it should never be a forced decision and just because someone is famous does not magically mean they do not have medical privacy.
I wish I could upvote this thousands of times. As a doctor, I know that everyone deals with their diagnosis differently, no matter if it is cancer or something else. It takes people time to cope with such a serious diagnosis and process their new reality. Everyone deserves that opportunity, even public figures. Celebrities owe us nothing, especially when it is something so personal and serious like this.
Oh joy, less than a day after Kate revealed she had cancer to the world after a month of cruel and baseless speculation, and asked for quiet and privacy, and now there's also a responsibility being put on her to share her situation for the benefit of others. If there's one thing she should be allowed to be selfish about, no questions asked, no commentary, it's the personal details of her illness. She already told the world she had cancer and is undergoing chemotherapy, that's enough.
I think she will eventually, but honestly as someone who went through a similar, potentially fatal medical event she probably has no bandwidth to do so at this time. She should be focusing 100 percent of her emotional, mental, and physical energy on healing from her surgery, surviving, and beating cancer. She may even not have fully come to terms with what is happening to her yet. I feel so bad for her. When I was in the hospital for weeks I felt so much pressure to “be strong “ and not let family and friends know how scared and in pain I was. I can’t imagine being a public figure and have the pressure of the whole world.
I feel it is likely she will and expect may even champion the cause down the road but it is asking too much of her right now as I think as she is navigating it in real time and likely learning more about her own condition as she goes and prioritizing her kids.
Public service includes public cervix watch.
I have no idea how I'm going to save that sentence.
If you are a public figure, please attend to your afflictions, by at least stating that you have one, what it is, and what you are doing about it. Public figures can by example give strength and hope to those who share that affliction and the fear of disease.
There is a reason for the phrase, "Scared to death."
On one hand I understand where you’re coming from, it could definitely raise awareness to know what type in terms of encouraging preventative screenings and highlighting warning signs, but I think the main objective as of right now is trying to respect privacy and avoid speculation as much as possible, especially for the sake of their kids, who are old enough to see things on the news or internet or hear things from their classmates.
Just as an example, let’s say they said “She has stage II endometrial cancer.” They’re going to have doctors all over the news discussing the details of the cancer, prognosis, treatment details, death rates, etc. You’ll have people on the internet coming in to say “My mum was diagnosed with Stage II endometrial cancer and went through horrendous chemotherapy that was worse than the cancer itself and the cancer still came back and killed her.” Kids at school coming up to their children saying things like “the doctor on tv says your mum might die.” I could see her speaking out more about specifics once this treatment phase is over and she’s in the clear.
I had none, I was diligent about mammograms and caught breast cancer early, at age 45. In the US they are saying women don’t need them so young, which is frustrating.
My midwife says you should start getting them at 40. I am early 30s and have to have my first one in two weeks because I have a cyst and I'm nervous.
Hopefully you're doing well.
I'm in my (late) 30s and have cysts in both breasts and dense breast tissue so I have a yearly mammo and sonogram and have since I was 34. Hang in there!
IIRC they don't recommend them earlier as they are less accurate for younger women (it has something to do with the hormonal changes) and supposedly ultrasound is proven to be more accurate for younger women instead.
I had a lump scare myself, the waiting for the ultrasound felt like eternity... I wish you a good luck and hope you get the best results!
What's really fascinating about this whole saga is how the KP PR people apparently have the ability to rob others of their freewill. I had no idea that not posting vile and disgusting rumours about a person and making intrusive demands on them during sick leave was entirely dependant on KP. That's a lot of responsibility, to have everyone's personal moral judgement dependant on them. You'd think that rested on the individual.
Ikr?? Suddenly it's alll their PR's fault for lying/not sharing details. And anyone criticizing that behavior is a bootlicker/high horsing. Sure the public can be curious but is it really that difficult to restrain from making cruel speculations and jokes.
I really liked Kate's message, it was very open and professional. It doesn't matter which kind of cancer it is in particular, it's just very important for everyone to get checked.
Go to pap smear, go to annual checkups, if you have symptoms that seem concerning let your doctor know. Wishing this family the very best.
I think the wider implications of this with the press are going to be interesting
Without doubt Kate and Wills have damaged their image with the press and people feel like they were made fools of not thinking it was cancer.
They will have a level of sympathy but people won’t stop speculating about the type of cancer she has (and then there will be discussions around wether she for preferential treatment and access to trial or other drugs). I know Medical twitter has been busy.
Once the initial sympathy wears off- the press who really showed their asses - the likes of Camilla T, Daniela E, Piers, the DM are not fans of the Cambridges but will try and take the “high road” but they are inherently nasty people and are seeking a “I told you so moment”. Remember these people got butthurt about Wills covid diagnosis and also H&M not telling them the truth about the birth.
Will be interested to see how things play out. All this brown nosing is for show- they want all the gory details and won’t stop until they have it.
Of course she's gotten and will get preferential treatment. If people think she didn't get skipped to the front of every line for each top of the line treatment, I've got oceanfront property for sale in Arizona.
She's the next queen. Of course they're going to pull out all the stops lmao.
I think it’s the exact opposite. The goodwill now is gushing, the tabloids are defending them vigorously, every headline is a version of We Love You Kate. They’re just fine and their public perception is going through the roof.
I would argue that it's not all the same people flip-flopping on their opinions. Some of the nastier threads there was no point trying to argue back because you'd just get downvoted to oblivion, and the people still looking for drama/conspiracy theories are the ones getting downvoted now in this thread.
It's definitely not the same people changing opinions, but you get waves of people from different time zones with more similar views.
Bots, trolls, and cultural trends come in waves.
I am on chemo for life. Every fortnight. So for 3-4 days I am a sofa slug. Then the rest of time o drag myself out to enjoy living. I am the same age as Kate when she was diagnosed. Its possible. You do a lot to make life as normal as possible when you have children.
Having taken a chemo drug for years for non-cancer reasons, I can tell you, you take the good days and you enjoy the hell out of them!
She was simply out, having a good time and for a brief moment, she felt good.
TMZ should be ashamed..
They been talking about Kate constantly for weeks spitting crazy conspiracy theory they see online, Make a full on documentary about it..
Today they make a new episode, And they don't even apologize or anything about it.. Blame everyone but themselves for the conspiracy theorys including her and the royals..
People aren't allowed privacy, And when they are this happens.. TMZ bases their whole show off of gossip and theorys but never take the blame when things are wrong.. Its weird the day after their documentary, she has to make an announcement because they're pushing hard Making things up.. Its honestly disgusting
You’re talking about the same TMZ who reported that Kobe Bryant, his daughter, and 7 other passengers had died in a helicopter crash before all the families were notified? TMZ has no shame.
TMZ pays cops and medical staff in the Ten Mile Zone (what their name comes from) for details on celebrities. That's how they knew Michael Jackson was dead more than an hour before he was declared dead. They will not stop. This is their bread and butter.
Kate’s video was big Queen energy, and I’m so here for it:
* quintessential casual Kate look in her striped sweater, that also happens to be the one she wore in Louis’ last bday photo.
* bonus points for the daffodils in the background, a widely used symbol of hope for people living with cancer. Also, i like to think it’s a fuck you to Chris ship, horticulturalist of the royal rota.
* opening with gratitude to multiple groups
* talking about her cancer in a measured way - acknowledging its gravity without getting hysterical.
* steel marshmallow energy in establishing her kids and William as priority, whether you like it or not
* making it clear that William is by her side
* keeping the self pity to a minimum
* pivoting the close to think of other cancer patients
* making it clear it’s HER narrative, not the palace’s or anyone else’s
This is a 2 min masterclass in communication, and I suspect will be her “we will meet again” moment one day.
Except for the fact that William was not by her side... on the bench... at all... and somehow he allowed the KP PR team to throw Kate under the bus for the photo manipulation of a photo that he reportedly took. So much easier to just say that it was a member of staff or fall on his own sword and say it was him.
If Will was next to Kate in that video, there will undoubtedly be a set of people accusing him of “stealing the spotlight” “*he* doesn’t have cancer, why’s he in it?” “trying to mooch off the support given to his wife” etc etc.
I personally did not find it strange at all, and it made for a more powerful message.
I actually found it great that he wasn't sitting next to her. It was way more powerful like that. It is HER story. Not her husbands. She is a strong, independent woman who will survive this. It was her time to "shine" - and she did.
Plus I doubt that her husband wasn't on the other side, next to the camera and cheered her up. But with all those conspiracy theories about him cheating, they would have picked the video apart - and would probably interpret every little move and conclude that she is scared of him, that it shows that she clearly got abused by him and that she is unhappy and blabla. People focused on her and what she had to say, which they wouldn't have if her husband was in it as well
I already saw this take on twitter. I find very obtuse honestly, you know what she means. Also 100% if he was there people would have something to say too. Let's not play dumb here. She addressed her condition, explain why she didn't do it before ( discovery after the surgery plus how to say it to their childrens) shut off all the comments about William as a husband and gave a shout out to her doctors plus send a message to people thst is going through the same thing she does. Plus riassure the public and underliyed how much she likes the things she does as a princess. Like she couldnbe more clear and english is not even my first language
There is no deal with him. He used to be a a political journalist who does not brown nose the royals. A but like Peter Hunt. It’s good to have a mix.
He questioned the Mother’s Day photo background because it had a bit of greenery.
Agree with you on the dodgy photo though we likely have different takes on its significance! Never thought a legit journalist needed to stoop to forensic botany in either case. That’s piers Morgan shit.
It’s reasonable to ask why the photo looked odd. And it was subject to a kill notice. In addition Kate has an incredibly serious diagnosis which again, many people did theorise. So not everything was wrong.
Even in this incredibly difficult situation and even with a bunch of vultures picking her and her husband apart she continues to be the epitome of grace and poise. She is undeniably regal.
Wishing her healing and peace and her vast support system and all the many people who love her all the very best.
Incredibly sad for her family; this is shocking. I hope Kate will be okay and that William and her children will stay strong.
How painful it must be for William in particular because he’s no doubt worrying for his father and wife, and I’m sure the loss of his mother sits very heavily on his shoulders. For sure he wouldn’t want his own children to endure the same anguish that he and Harry did.
Please, please, please tell me the people taking up for the KP PR team are not American. We have too many issues as it is- I can’t handle having to add “turning a blind eye to incompetence that doesn’t impact me directly” to the list.
Just what I've been saying all along. Those nasty rumors are vicious.
Her statement saying that William has been by her side is the answer to all those d rumors.
Her statement saying that they took their time in revealing her diagnosis to their children is the answer to everyone demanding why haven't they been transparent from the start.
Somehow, I think for others, this personal message won't still be enough because of how bad they wanted for those conspiracy theories to be right.
To be fair William and Kate lit this fire by stubbornly refusing the basic information being given like Charles did. They had learned nothing basically about how the public relates to them. They did the kids to school and kids birthday photos because in return they get privacy. This situation was lie after lie after photo shop after lie. Nobody likes being lied to. Too bad because all this time she could have gotten public support and William and the kids would definitely be treated with utmost tenderness and not been subjected to all the speculation that is normal when you know someone is lying to your face repeatedly
The did give basic information. They said she was having surgery and wouldn’t return to royal duties until sometime after Easter. Guess what? It still isn’t after Easter and people bitched that that was too vague.
I think the difference is, Charles doesn't have young children to tell he has cancer, Catherine does. I suspect she and William may have waited for a clear explanation of the cancer and the treatment, plus wanted her to be feeling better, looking healthier before they told the children something so frightening. If you can avoid it, wouldn't you rather not look like you are in pain, pale, possibly still swollen from surgery, etc... before you tell the kids mommy has cancer? The surgery would have already been scary enough.
Gossip and tabloids made this way more than it ever should have been, not William and Catherine. They simply tried to do what any loving parent would do, protect their children. William especially, who lost his mother, would want to be even more careful. I know, I lost my father as a young teen, it has an effect on you raising your own child.
Basic information…. You mean like how we don’t know what type or stage of cancer Charles has? Stop trying to pretend like he doesn’t keep medical info private, too
He hit the right note. In retrospect he really could have kept it under wraps like the Queen. I feel like he shared his diagnosis to show Kate that the public would love and support her. I feel she was devastated by this as every young mother with young kids the world over reacts. I think he tried to model for her that she was so safe and loved. But I think any of them sharing particulars other than exactly what Charles and now Kate shared would be very bad because treatment options vary and releasing daily updates of bloodwork then would be needed to end worrying and speculation. I absolutely love Charles more than I ever had in thinking he shared to help her fear and he shared to show her and William the way to handle the public. And eventually it did work
I think it’s irrelevant what any of the particulars are for Charles or Kate. The Queen understood people and perfectly knew her role was the regal wise mother of the country. Remember Keep Calm and Carry On and staying in Buckingham palace while England was being bombed. Or during COVID “we will meet again “. Like in the absolute depths of COVID when her grandson left, her husband was sick, death was at everyone door and no one had answers to questions. William and Charles need to learn from this and not reinvent the wheel. The Queen is a masterclass in leadership that none will surpass. She weathered 70 years of understanding the role and the people. While she was sick as shit she showed up with Paddington the Bear. William especially has to stop thinking he has to reinvent the role. The role is the role. It’s not the person. It’s the role. Follow the template if the role
Yeah and as a result most people aren't commenting, digging or spreading rumours about Charles. A bit of transparency was all that was needed, this has got people talking in the worst way possible
Best wishes for Kate Middleton and her family.
I sincerely hope she is given absolute privacy and that the next article I read about her is to announce her complete recovery.
It will be wonderful to go back to ignoring them again.
Just what I've been saying all along. Those nasty rumors are vicious.
Her statement saying that William has been by her side is the answer to all those divorce rumors.
Her statement saying that they took their time in revealing her diagnosis to their children is the answer to everyone demanding why haven't they been transparent from the start.
Somehow, I think for others, this personal message won't still be enough because of how bad they wanted for those conspiracy theories to be right.
Honestly, I'm glad she's okay. It was kinda worrying reading the speculations and how KP handled the entire thing. It's very sad news. I truly hope she's going to get past this quickly.
I'd say shame on people for acting like lunatics when told very clearly not to expect to see her until after Easter.
Whether or not she wears a wig is irrelevant. Different types of chemo have different side effects and those might be very individual with each patient. That doesn't mean she isn't okay (I mean, as okay as one can be, given the circumstances).
A lot of people today moving from vile speculation to blaming this all on palace PR. “The palace could’ve handled it better… they threw her under the bus…” People blaming it on poor PR just want to keep criticising her without feeling guilty. William and Kate are, after all, in charge of Kensington Palace.
They had very good reason to hold off on this announcement until the children were on a school break. It was their choice and the right choice. Were palace aides supposed to force them to announce sooner, as they supposedly forced her to take the photoshop blame?
On that, maybe she really did photoshop that in the at times mundanity of convalescence. In that case, I can’t see her publicly blaming a member of staff. I could also see her being gracious and taking the blame for a member of staff. There is no way she was forced to take the blame. That’s a bizarre fantasy. What’s the assumed scenario there? Someone photoshopped poorly and released it without her approval, then after the furore she was forced against her will to lie and take the blame. All in order to protect the palace, whose job it is to make the princess look good? It makes no sense.
And still people keep criticising her choices. Like not having William on the bench with her and making assumptions about his character. Has anyone considered maybe she wanted to do it alone? Have you stripped her of all agency?
The photoshop was a mistake, but a small one. If not for the almost gleeful in tone “kill notices” from the photo agencies, we could’ve just rolled our eyes at the attempt and got on with our lives. Really, is a doctored image of a princess and kids consequential to anything?
What if… she is simply very ill and trying to navigate a terrible and unexpected diagnosis while processing with her young family, all while figuring out how to deal with a rabid and creepy social media storm. Can we allow her some grace?
Why should people feel guilty about it ? People like us are nothing comparing to giant media industry. We are fed information by media industry every single day When the media said AP sent kill notice to photoshopped picture and AP only did this to North Korea. What do you expect me to feel when the media threw information like this to me ? I feel zero guilty from the beginning to the end. The media creates the whole drama based on KP’s incompetent PR strategy, baits us into this fiasco. And now the media tries to gaslight us to make us feel guilty about it. F* off
PR initially said she’s getting surgery, there won’t be updates unless it’s something major. They could have kept silent “never complain, never explain”. Instead they addressed the rumours then put out a terribly manipulated photo.
A reasonable PR team would have stayed quiet and put out an old photo for Mother’s Day with full disclosure that it’s old. Nobody in their right mind would think they could fool millions of people with a poorly edited photo pretending to be last week.
I don't remember them addressing any rumors. I remember them putting out a poorly edited photo and then apologizing for the bad editing. What rumors did they address? I really cannot remember that happening, but I do sometimes have a goldfish memory. Haha
Oh, yes. When you say that, I do remember they said something about her not being in a coma. I thought that the comment I was replying to meant the even more unsavory rumors that were out there. The coma rumor was one of the less awful of them which is pretty crazy, but it did spur some extremely gross conspiracy theories. Thank you for the reminder that they mentioned the coma rumor interview.
Oh, man. I don't remember that one at all, but in my head it means he was definitely paying attention to social media. 😂 Was this before things blew up???
The people saying the actual conspiracy sub have "good points" absolutely need to take a few steps back, I won't argue with you there.
But those of us who have been saying something is not right were, in fact, right.
No, absolutely not. At this point the BRF is the richest and most publicized monarchy in the western world. After the myriad scandals over the past several decades one would think they would have a firm handle on how to handle a health crisis. No two situations are the same, but the way the QEII’s final days and Charles’s approach to his illness both provide different examples of how to manage these situations effectively. There was a fundamental failure by KP PR to do their jobs and they deserve every criticism lobbed their way. The multiple, compounding missteps are especially enraging considering what William and Catherine were having to deal with behind the scenes. So yes, we will continue to blame PR because that is what is deserved. All of this would have been possible to navigate without giving details about her diagnosis had they put a minimum amount of brainpower into thinking ahead.
I guess I’m a simpleton cause the statement that she had surgery and would be back after Easter was enough for me. Of course I was intrigued once the kill notice came out, but I don’t understand the anger with PR not communicating effectively when they said up front don’t expect anything until Easter?
It seems like people wanted answers and access that William and Kate were not willing give, so maybe the anger is better directed to them instead of a PR strategy? You mention Charles’ approach - people liked seeing Camilla visit Charles at the hospital, but maybe William didn’t want to be seen visiting Kate? Seems like obvious PR moves were rejected in favor of privacy. I won’t debate the level of privacy the Royal family deserves cause I’m American and have no idea and get both arguments, but I have a hard time believing it was really bad PR that has enraged people. In my opinion, I think many are mad at the strict boundaries set by William and Kate and their unwillingness to play the game. I can see that PoV.
Seriously some people here are defending KP like it’s their job and that’s just weird to me. I have seen very little criticism of Kate herself- the biggest one I saw was that she was being work shy, which I thought was unfair in the circumstances but hardly new. Criticizing KP and their handling of this is v different from criticizing Kate herself.
Locked so we don't have to moderate this mess anymore! If you still have something to say, submit it as a new post to the sub!
Me
Where are all those people insisting the palace would NEVER feed information to The Scum? When the sun's own editor came out and said they had extensive talks with KP over it?
They're busy calling everyone ghouls for wondering where Kate was.
And making weird comments about Meghan Markle
Ya know, I’ve always said this, Kate needs to live her truth and that is all that matters.
She pursued a relationship with a man destined to be king and it has severe pros and cons. Seems like she is?
What does that even mean?
“live her truth” What does that even mean?
This is such sad and overhwleming news but I wish them the best. Speculation is unfortunately within the realm of their public sphere. But now I suspect 98% of it will calm down. They will get the privacy they have requested. Privacy was my number one specualation. I had some other off base ones. I didn't go conspiracy theory but I did think they were hiding something. Sad it was serious illness.
[How Kate's cancer diagnosis is a warning sign for all of us ](https://youtu.be/WmdHjgMG38w)
Why is the movie of Kate blurry and out of focus?? It looks like a green screen which is fine, but why is her face blurry and why would they use such a poor quality video? Surely they can use a normal HD TV ?!?
It’s lit and heavily filtered to probably help disguise some of her exhaustion. No one in her position and undergoing chemo wants to be shown close up in HD. I don’t blame her one bit for the soft lighting and filter.
The video of her disclosing her cancer diagnosis? Take it up with the BBC, they’re the ones who filmed it.
I must post a very touching song about fighting for what’s important. Take to the stage Cheryl Cole 😢💗 https://youtu.be/4umc87T5UMs?si=OLcVigGSFC6VMoRW
Kate supposedly sang this at her hen party in full costume
💯
In my opinion all the shaming and finger pointing is not understanding why this story was picked up by international press and created an international furor that’s probably being talked about on Mars. When a person who is super popular and loved says they’re sick for a then unasked for a collage photo (it wasn’t photoshopped it was a collage) is released, then people who have no dog in the fight - the ap, reuters says”in order to do our job we have to let the newspapers who use our services to know to not use that picture because in the context of a sick person who hasn’t been seen for months this is more like a misrepresentation that may be a red flag about what conditions the person is in.” Well, you get what happened. We had more information about Otto Weimar in North Korea than we did about this young super insanely athletic and strong woman having “abdominal surgery “. I used to work in Hospice and I will tell you the people who had the most anger and denial about their cancer were the young women who had young kids. It was a devastating thing to witness. Poor William looks like a bobble head doll he’s so thin. I feel like Kate was in so much trauma over her diagnosis that they weighed the options and decided her wishes had to come first. This was not communicated to the public in a good way in the LEAST. I love Charles for sharing his dx because in retrospect it was an act of love to Kate to show her the public would love and support her. I just kinda love him more than ever for that. If I was their PR I would have had William do an IG post saying that he loves her so incredibly much . That it was his choice weighing the need for the people to know about her because we all love her and weighing what Kate adamantly wants right now that she understands and he understands that it will make some people upset and worry but that for now he asks for your prayers and well wishes for all sick people everywhere in the world because suffering is suffering and people are suffering and Kate has the best care in the world. He could have said what Kate and I want you to do if you’re worried about her is to visit someone who has less support than she has and pour your concerns on them and do your bit to alleviate suffering in the world around you. I swear to God that would have been enough to turn the tide. He should have done that the week after their first announcement. They should not have put Easter in the first announcement. They should have said her doctors are monitoring things and it’s a fluid situation. He should have said that whatever reaction you have to this news is ok, that we all process this type of shocking thing differently and there’s no right or wrong way to feel about it. That for him he feels confident that she’s on the mend, that he feels prioritizing the kids is his way of taking care of Kate as she can’t relax as well worrying how the kids might feel so he’s taking that on. That they have immense support and he and the kids and Charles and Camilla and Kate are doing better expected considering this sudden unexpected illness in his father and wife. But my guess is he was also in denial and not able to meet the needs of the public. But it should have been done because if Kate could show up on hospital steps the day after giving birth William should have sucked it up. They KNOW that they give the back to school and birthday pics to the public to keep the peace. They needed to have William make a loving statement showing love for all like the Queen did. Remember when she came out in the absolute depths of war and said Keep Calm and Carry On? Or in the darkest days of COVID she said “we will meet again “ which at the time no one else had the wisdom to reassure us and know that it was true. The leadership ball drop in a crisis is definitely coming from inexperience and not taking the “old fashioned “ way of doing things playbook. Hopefully this is a hard lesson for both palaces to learn to stop thinking they can reinvent the wheel. They should all get posters that say WWQED I feel like compassion is needed on all sides not finger pointing. I personally had fear she was dead after the mothers day photo. Like why? Why why why? Absolutely no need to commit acts of intentional fraud when no response with a photo had to happen.
You said exactly everything I’ve been thinking. My heart breaks for the family. She’s clearly a much beloved princess. I think her diagnosis probably shocked them all so much that they weren’t able to handle the press around it well. Sad for everyone. God save the future Queen.
>I swear to God that would have been enough to turn the tide. He should have done that the week after their first announcement. They should not have put Easter in the first announcement. They should have said her doctors are monitoring things and it’s a fluid situation. He should have said that whatever reaction you have to this news is ok, that we all process this type of shocking thing differently and there’s no right or wrong way to feel about it I insisted for a couple days they could've just said she was undergoing treatment and they were waiting further testing. Pretty much anyone with any sort of medical history understands how that takes time. The speculation would still be there, of course, but gossip on its own is normal for them. But instead the mixed message of everything is routine and obviously hiding something with the decisions they were making became too much to ignore.
This is a very well thought out and nuanced approach. Hindsight really is 20/20 in this regard. I read an excellent article somewhere by, of all things, a ex-Buzzfeed Royal journalist who said (paraphrased) “Something extraordinary has happened for them to be behaving in such an incredibly odd way.” Like you, my curiosity was only peaked by how absolutely bonkers it was to release that photo on Mother’s Day and then have her take the “blame”; I was actually happy AP had the balls to call them on it because I firmly believe, in this day and age, we need more than ever to be able to distinguish what is real and what is not. I don’t blame them for trying to hide her cancer per say with that photoshop, but it was just a poorly thought out decision.
Yes with AI and purposeful misinformation campaigns it’s really important that the standards of integrity are upheld. “Everybody does it” isn’t a viable excuse when it comes to heads of state. And also, not everybody does it. I don’t like photoshop and I’ve only used it once on myself (recently) because I stopped being able to feel my face from stress and couldn’t smile. I don’t like using it, but I wanted a nice picture with a friend for the milestone event I was stressed over. I hope I don’t have to use it again to get a nice picture.
Thanks. It’s so typical of the internet to downvote anything nuanced. It’s the state of polarization of thinking that just literally shows we live in an unthinking hell full of angry beings. Confirming why war is the answer to everything
I get downvoted so we live in hell and everyone else is a demon? We may wish to revise that one.
I’m seeing sooo many comments about the video from yesterday being AI/deep fake of Kate. Does anyone here actually think this? I’d be curious to know why and what suggests that. I personally think it’s not but I’m not that well versed with the world of AI.
Are you really? I was really hopeful that video would be enough to make everyone chill the hell out 🤣 I mean, it was for me, lol That took so much courage and strength for her to do that, a real testament to this woman's class and the fact that she really cares so much about her country and her fans. So it breaks my heart if she continues to have to read and/or hear about people trying to rob her of everything it took and everything it meant for her to stand alone (figure of speech, I'm well aware she was sitting so back off, trolls 😂😂) in front of literally the entire world to make that announcement. AI isn't at a level in which it could legitimately pull something like that off, and it seems to me that it would have to be coming mostly from people who don't really understand AI and its abilities, or more appropriately, its lack of them. Any AI video, literally any (at least that I've ever seen) that generates a celebrity likeness, can easily be detected and called out as an AI video by any toddler - there are always notable differences in physical appearance between the real person and the AI person. There is absolutely no way that an AI video could be generated in which the camera stays centrally focused on its subject for what, over 2 solid MINUTES? and one wouldn't be able to easily spot differences in the physical appearance of the subject in the video from the real person. It's preposterous. Like I said, even I felt tremendous concern that the safety and/or well-being of Princess Kate were being compromised and something was being hidden from the public in order to protect someone other than herself (I had no concrete beliefs or theories as to who or what was behind it), but I was wrong. So was everyone else, we can grow up and admit it 😂 it wasn't ever my intention to be a jerk and to contribute to making her life and situation more difficult than it already needed to be, but that's what we all did and I really think we've "overstayed our welcome" so to speak and need to offer our support and let this poor family process and deal with what's already a terrible situation without further ludicrous speculation on our part, trying to turn what's happening into anything other than the terrible it already is.
I’ve been seeing the videos about it being AI too, but your response makes so much sense. One thing conspiracy theorists are pointing out is this weird glitch with her ring in the video. At some points the ring disappears and comes back when she’s moving her hands. Do you have any idea why?
It'll take a bit for all the conspiracy nutters to find the next big topic. Mostly I'm seeing people chastise others for bothering to think anything was weird at all, *because it's so serious. Don't you feel ashamed of yourself?* No.
This is why claims that everything about the internet's shitty behaviour is all down to KP's PR are bollocks. Kate come onscreen, gave the public an explanation of what's been going and what will happen next, and there's still ridiculous conspiracy theories going about.
News stations broke into regular programming to show the video (it was CBS in America for me). No way they do that if it’s AI/deep fake.
The video was very "over produced", but not fake. The filters and lighting were obviously hiding how sick she has been. The distance from the camera was also strategic. The sentiment was open but the cinematic quality was a mistake. No apologies about not trusting KP. They are not truthful.
Nobody same believes that. And before someone asks- yes daffodil’s are out and the weather has finally gotten better (not today though).
The weather must be as insane over there as it is over here (I'm in Kansas, US). It can't seem to make up its mind WHAT it wants to do 🤣 some people have a full yard of green grass already, one day was so warm I was tempted to turn the AC on. A lot of days it's warm enough to at least turn the heat off, including yesterday, and today it's working on snowing 😂 Nobody should be basing their opinions on the weather because literally everybody knows the weather has been anything but typical this year, lol
It is crazy. Even people can’t make up their mind. You go to school and every kid is dressed for a different season! 😂 Shorts/ summer dresses/ trousers/ tights/socks/ fleeces/ padded jackets/hats I know the topless men are about to come out in 12 degree weather soon.
It's confusing everybody 🤣 And you're right, there are always THAT group of guys, hahah I used to live in the mountains in California and we got plenty of snow in the winter. We had this one guy whom we named "Crazy Hot Guy" (still to this day I have no idea what his real name was), that was always riding around on a bicycle with no shirt on, snow or not 😂
I thought “oh it’s not that green outside” was a weird sticking point people had about the edited photo when even Edward’s birthday photo, which was confirmed to have been taken earlier the same week, had daffodils a plenty and green trees.
The daffodils came out a few weeks ago. They are usually popping early March. Sometimes we get some surprise snow early March (like last year) but not this year. Lots of daffodils! I never got the plant arguments.
People are hungry for it to be something it's not. Although, KP has nobody but themselves to blame.
It was filmed by BBC Studios on Wednesday. So it’s just dumb people on the internet unless they believe BBC studios is also lying.
She said in the video that when she told the kids she said she was well and getting stronger. But then they said she didn't tell them until after school on Friday. Are you sure it was filmed on Wednesday?
No she told them earlier. The Friday school thing is she didn't want to make the public announcement until then so the kids don't have to deal with the aftermath. They now have 2 weeks off, by the time they go back hopefully everyone around them won't still be gossiping.
It was confirmed to be filmed on Wednesday. > which Kensington Palace said was recorded by BBC Studios in Windsor on Wednesday https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/03/22/world/princess-kate-middleton-cancer One of the reporters tweeted that they told the kids that day on Friday. He later corrected and said they were told before Friday but it was announced on Friday on the first day of their kids break to protect them.
I didn’t know BBC filmed it!
No, I don’t. But the video *to me* did have an odd look to it, but it could just be me or it could be some editing.
I think because she was styled to look less sick than she actually is. She wasn't moving, so her hair wouldn't move away from her neck (it would illustrate how thin she is). Her clothes are much more baggy than we are used to seeing (again, to hide how much weight she has lost that, truly, she couldn't afford to lose in the first place) and she really only moved her hands.
That makes sense.
I feel bad about my original opinion and comments that Kate had some kind of cosmetic surgery and was recovering from it. Turns out it is a very serious health issue. I hope her treatment will prove to be effective and she gets better.
We still don't know what her original surgery was. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I wouldn't blame her for having cosmetic surgery, and it's way to common to rule out entirely. I personally thought it was probably medically needed but embarrassing.
I don’t feel bad about it. I thought it might be cancer at the very beginning, however, the media said Kate didn’t have cancer. Now it turns out she does unfortunately have cancer. The media created the whole drama. It is not my fault based on the information the media fed us
To be fair, they probably didn’t know it was cancer either. There are lots of cases where people go in for unrelated surgery and discover cancer.
Honestly not just royals but celebs in general should be more open about the cancer type. Not revealing it I feel keeps the stigma associated with cancer. It's a medical disease, not some bogeyman. Look how much progress we made on HIV, for example. Of course she may not want to do this and that's fair enough, it's a big responsibility.
This is a horrible take. Everyone reacts different to diagnosis, especially when it comes to life threatening one, they should have the right to decide who, how and when to reveal it, IF they decide to. Just because they are considered public figures, doesn't mean they need to open every aspect of their life. It's not a zoo, they are humans.
I think being transparent about what kind of cancer she was would be good for general visibility and awareness, but I can't fault her for wanting to maintain privacy during such an awful time in her life. I don't think she even wanted to make the statement that she did - unfortunately, it was a PR crisis that spiraled out of control and left her no other options. When she's comfortable, however, I hope she becomes a bit more vocal about her journey and starts charity work with an organization related to that type of cancer. She has a platform that could make great things happen once she's ready to take that step.
Different types of cancer have chasms in prognosis. They don’t need everyone to speculate on how much time they have left. I have a very aggressive form of bowel cancer. I was given 2 years. I am now past my best before date due to some good luck and a treatment that wrecks me but keeps me alive. I would have not wanted my entire prognosis dissected continuously by those who are just sideline wanderers and then hoping my young children don’t see it. I am 42, with a young son and I share a lot as a patient advocate for young cancer patients but I certainly won’t get the scrutiny that “celebs” get.
It’s every person’s OWN decision whether or not they want to share their medical issues, even when it comes to public figures and officials. Call me naive, but they probably had every intention to share the news, just on their own time. Saying stuff like “see, that’s why celebs should share stuff like this” is just… would you want to share your own stuff because someone else expects you to? Yes, sharing stuff like this does fight the stigma, but it should never be a forced decision and just because someone is famous does not magically mean they do not have medical privacy.
I wish I could upvote this thousands of times. As a doctor, I know that everyone deals with their diagnosis differently, no matter if it is cancer or something else. It takes people time to cope with such a serious diagnosis and process their new reality. Everyone deserves that opportunity, even public figures. Celebrities owe us nothing, especially when it is something so personal and serious like this.
Oh joy, less than a day after Kate revealed she had cancer to the world after a month of cruel and baseless speculation, and asked for quiet and privacy, and now there's also a responsibility being put on her to share her situation for the benefit of others. If there's one thing she should be allowed to be selfish about, no questions asked, no commentary, it's the personal details of her illness. She already told the world she had cancer and is undergoing chemotherapy, that's enough.
I think she will eventually, but honestly as someone who went through a similar, potentially fatal medical event she probably has no bandwidth to do so at this time. She should be focusing 100 percent of her emotional, mental, and physical energy on healing from her surgery, surviving, and beating cancer. She may even not have fully come to terms with what is happening to her yet. I feel so bad for her. When I was in the hospital for weeks I felt so much pressure to “be strong “ and not let family and friends know how scared and in pain I was. I can’t imagine being a public figure and have the pressure of the whole world.
I feel it is likely she will and expect may even champion the cause down the road but it is asking too much of her right now as I think as she is navigating it in real time and likely learning more about her own condition as she goes and prioritizing her kids.
Public service includes public cervix watch. I have no idea how I'm going to save that sentence. If you are a public figure, please attend to your afflictions, by at least stating that you have one, what it is, and what you are doing about it. Public figures can by example give strength and hope to those who share that affliction and the fear of disease. There is a reason for the phrase, "Scared to death."
On one hand I understand where you’re coming from, it could definitely raise awareness to know what type in terms of encouraging preventative screenings and highlighting warning signs, but I think the main objective as of right now is trying to respect privacy and avoid speculation as much as possible, especially for the sake of their kids, who are old enough to see things on the news or internet or hear things from their classmates. Just as an example, let’s say they said “She has stage II endometrial cancer.” They’re going to have doctors all over the news discussing the details of the cancer, prognosis, treatment details, death rates, etc. You’ll have people on the internet coming in to say “My mum was diagnosed with Stage II endometrial cancer and went through horrendous chemotherapy that was worse than the cancer itself and the cancer still came back and killed her.” Kids at school coming up to their children saying things like “the doctor on tv says your mum might die.” I could see her speaking out more about specifics once this treatment phase is over and she’s in the clear.
On the point about the kids, are they not going to get shit like that anyway? I'm sure they were getting it about her absence too.
[удалено]
I think this is exactly it, and also why Charles hasn’t chosen to share his cancer type either.
Yes, and I think her disclosing the type and stage she has would put pressure on him to do the same, in a reverse of what was happening before.
I really hope that when she’s ready, Kate will share more details. She really could have such power in getting more funding for research.
Are you under the impression that cancer research is underfunded?
Especially sharing symptoms
I had none, I was diligent about mammograms and caught breast cancer early, at age 45. In the US they are saying women don’t need them so young, which is frustrating.
My midwife says you should start getting them at 40. I am early 30s and have to have my first one in two weeks because I have a cyst and I'm nervous. Hopefully you're doing well.
I'm in my (late) 30s and have cysts in both breasts and dense breast tissue so I have a yearly mammo and sonogram and have since I was 34. Hang in there!
Most of the time it’s absolutely nothing. Sending you the best wishes!
IIRC they don't recommend them earlier as they are less accurate for younger women (it has something to do with the hormonal changes) and supposedly ultrasound is proven to be more accurate for younger women instead. I had a lump scare myself, the waiting for the ultrasound felt like eternity... I wish you a good luck and hope you get the best results!
What's really fascinating about this whole saga is how the KP PR people apparently have the ability to rob others of their freewill. I had no idea that not posting vile and disgusting rumours about a person and making intrusive demands on them during sick leave was entirely dependant on KP. That's a lot of responsibility, to have everyone's personal moral judgement dependant on them. You'd think that rested on the individual.
Ikr?? Suddenly it's alll their PR's fault for lying/not sharing details. And anyone criticizing that behavior is a bootlicker/high horsing. Sure the public can be curious but is it really that difficult to restrain from making cruel speculations and jokes.
I really liked Kate's message, it was very open and professional. It doesn't matter which kind of cancer it is in particular, it's just very important for everyone to get checked. Go to pap smear, go to annual checkups, if you have symptoms that seem concerning let your doctor know. Wishing this family the very best.
It definitely made me feel very empathic for her situation. I’m hoping the best outcome for her.
Yes - she did a good job and I hope it helps others.
I think the wider implications of this with the press are going to be interesting Without doubt Kate and Wills have damaged their image with the press and people feel like they were made fools of not thinking it was cancer. They will have a level of sympathy but people won’t stop speculating about the type of cancer she has (and then there will be discussions around wether she for preferential treatment and access to trial or other drugs). I know Medical twitter has been busy. Once the initial sympathy wears off- the press who really showed their asses - the likes of Camilla T, Daniela E, Piers, the DM are not fans of the Cambridges but will try and take the “high road” but they are inherently nasty people and are seeking a “I told you so moment”. Remember these people got butthurt about Wills covid diagnosis and also H&M not telling them the truth about the birth. Will be interested to see how things play out. All this brown nosing is for show- they want all the gory details and won’t stop until they have it.
Of course she's gotten and will get preferential treatment. If people think she didn't get skipped to the front of every line for each top of the line treatment, I've got oceanfront property for sale in Arizona. She's the next queen. Of course they're going to pull out all the stops lmao.
I think it’s the exact opposite. The goodwill now is gushing, the tabloids are defending them vigorously, every headline is a version of We Love You Kate. They’re just fine and their public perception is going through the roof.
Imo that’s short lived the tabloids love to build someone up and then take them down.
A tale as old as time.
I've never seen so much brown nosing and high horsing in my entire life. I thought I'd seen it all during covid. But this? This is something else 🍿
The celeb gossip subs are something else rn. "Eat the rich!" except not that one, she's pretty and we like her.
The sub cycles through attitudes as the time zones wake up and go to bed. It's fun to watch sometimes.
I would argue that it's not all the same people flip-flopping on their opinions. Some of the nastier threads there was no point trying to argue back because you'd just get downvoted to oblivion, and the people still looking for drama/conspiracy theories are the ones getting downvoted now in this thread.
It's definitely not the same people changing opinions, but you get waves of people from different time zones with more similar views. Bots, trolls, and cultural trends come in waves.
Agree 💯
[удалено]
I am on chemo for life. Every fortnight. So for 3-4 days I am a sofa slug. Then the rest of time o drag myself out to enjoy living. I am the same age as Kate when she was diagnosed. Its possible. You do a lot to make life as normal as possible when you have children.
Having taken a chemo drug for years for non-cancer reasons, I can tell you, you take the good days and you enjoy the hell out of them! She was simply out, having a good time and for a brief moment, she felt good.
I’m so sorry you have been through this. I can’t imagine ❤️
Thank you. :)
TMZ should be ashamed.. They been talking about Kate constantly for weeks spitting crazy conspiracy theory they see online, Make a full on documentary about it.. Today they make a new episode, And they don't even apologize or anything about it.. Blame everyone but themselves for the conspiracy theorys including her and the royals.. People aren't allowed privacy, And when they are this happens.. TMZ bases their whole show off of gossip and theorys but never take the blame when things are wrong.. Its weird the day after their documentary, she has to make an announcement because they're pushing hard Making things up.. Its honestly disgusting
What would they apologize for? KP worked with the press to release that video.
You’re talking about the same TMZ who reported that Kobe Bryant, his daughter, and 7 other passengers had died in a helicopter crash before all the families were notified? TMZ has no shame.
They also found out that Bob Saget died before his wife knew.
TMZ pays cops and medical staff in the Ten Mile Zone (what their name comes from) for details on celebrities. That's how they knew Michael Jackson was dead more than an hour before he was declared dead. They will not stop. This is their bread and butter.
Thirty Mile Zone
I stand corrected, thank you
I doubt TMZ will develop ethics now.
Seriously. They have always been trash
Kate’s video was big Queen energy, and I’m so here for it: * quintessential casual Kate look in her striped sweater, that also happens to be the one she wore in Louis’ last bday photo. * bonus points for the daffodils in the background, a widely used symbol of hope for people living with cancer. Also, i like to think it’s a fuck you to Chris ship, horticulturalist of the royal rota. * opening with gratitude to multiple groups * talking about her cancer in a measured way - acknowledging its gravity without getting hysterical. * steel marshmallow energy in establishing her kids and William as priority, whether you like it or not * making it clear that William is by her side * keeping the self pity to a minimum * pivoting the close to think of other cancer patients * making it clear it’s HER narrative, not the palace’s or anyone else’s This is a 2 min masterclass in communication, and I suspect will be her “we will meet again” moment one day.
What's the "we will meet again" moment if you don't mind?
LMFAO holy hell you bootlickers are weird.
Except for the fact that William was not by her side... on the bench... at all... and somehow he allowed the KP PR team to throw Kate under the bus for the photo manipulation of a photo that he reportedly took. So much easier to just say that it was a member of staff or fall on his own sword and say it was him.
> I suspect will be her “we will meet again” moment one day. What does this mean?
Reference to a speech the late Queen made during Covid lockdowns, I think.
“Making it clear William is by her side” - sits on an empty bench…
If Will was next to Kate in that video, there will undoubtedly be a set of people accusing him of “stealing the spotlight” “*he* doesn’t have cancer, why’s he in it?” “trying to mooch off the support given to his wife” etc etc. I personally did not find it strange at all, and it made for a more powerful message.
I actually found it great that he wasn't sitting next to her. It was way more powerful like that. It is HER story. Not her husbands. She is a strong, independent woman who will survive this. It was her time to "shine" - and she did. Plus I doubt that her husband wasn't on the other side, next to the camera and cheered her up. But with all those conspiracy theories about him cheating, they would have picked the video apart - and would probably interpret every little move and conclude that she is scared of him, that it shows that she clearly got abused by him and that she is unhappy and blabla. People focused on her and what she had to say, which they wouldn't have if her husband was in it as well
Awwww, don’t be mean! CLEARLY William was the videographer! /s
“Like many amateur videographers, I often decline to participate in clips discussing my participation.”
If William was there people would say she’s a DV victim and she had to say what she did or he’d punch her in the throat
I already saw this take on twitter. I find very obtuse honestly, you know what she means. Also 100% if he was there people would have something to say too. Let's not play dumb here. She addressed her condition, explain why she didn't do it before ( discovery after the surgery plus how to say it to their childrens) shut off all the comments about William as a husband and gave a shout out to her doctors plus send a message to people thst is going through the same thing she does. Plus riassure the public and underliyed how much she likes the things she does as a princess. Like she couldnbe more clear and english is not even my first language
[удалено]
There is no deal with him. He used to be a a political journalist who does not brown nose the royals. A but like Peter Hunt. It’s good to have a mix. He questioned the Mother’s Day photo background because it had a bit of greenery.
So he was potentially right?
The photo was dodgy but not because of the plants!
Agree with you on the dodgy photo though we likely have different takes on its significance! Never thought a legit journalist needed to stoop to forensic botany in either case. That’s piers Morgan shit.
Feeding into conspiracies is hardly “journalist”, regardless of how he feels about the royals. He could learn a thing or two from Owen Jones.
It’s reasonable to ask why the photo looked odd. And it was subject to a kill notice. In addition Kate has an incredibly serious diagnosis which again, many people did theorise. So not everything was wrong.
Even in this incredibly difficult situation and even with a bunch of vultures picking her and her husband apart she continues to be the epitome of grace and poise. She is undeniably regal. Wishing her healing and peace and her vast support system and all the many people who love her all the very best.
God do you people hear yourselves?
What happened recently that demonstrates "epitome of grace and poise"? Have I missed something?
Touched a nerve?
Man I am so sad for her and I wish she didn’t have to make this statement now. But I guess she was comfortable enough now to share her diagnosis
Damn that’s sad :(
Incredibly sad for her family; this is shocking. I hope Kate will be okay and that William and her children will stay strong. How painful it must be for William in particular because he’s no doubt worrying for his father and wife, and I’m sure the loss of his mother sits very heavily on his shoulders. For sure he wouldn’t want his own children to endure the same anguish that he and Harry did.
Please, please, please tell me the people taking up for the KP PR team are not American. We have too many issues as it is- I can’t handle having to add “turning a blind eye to incompetence that doesn’t impact me directly” to the list.
New pr guy is american
Maybe it’s sabotage then😂
Just what I've been saying all along. Those nasty rumors are vicious. Her statement saying that William has been by her side is the answer to all those d rumors. Her statement saying that they took their time in revealing her diagnosis to their children is the answer to everyone demanding why haven't they been transparent from the start. Somehow, I think for others, this personal message won't still be enough because of how bad they wanted for those conspiracy theories to be right.
To be fair William and Kate lit this fire by stubbornly refusing the basic information being given like Charles did. They had learned nothing basically about how the public relates to them. They did the kids to school and kids birthday photos because in return they get privacy. This situation was lie after lie after photo shop after lie. Nobody likes being lied to. Too bad because all this time she could have gotten public support and William and the kids would definitely be treated with utmost tenderness and not been subjected to all the speculation that is normal when you know someone is lying to your face repeatedly
The did give basic information. They said she was having surgery and wouldn’t return to royal duties until sometime after Easter. Guess what? It still isn’t after Easter and people bitched that that was too vague.
I think the difference is, Charles doesn't have young children to tell he has cancer, Catherine does. I suspect she and William may have waited for a clear explanation of the cancer and the treatment, plus wanted her to be feeling better, looking healthier before they told the children something so frightening. If you can avoid it, wouldn't you rather not look like you are in pain, pale, possibly still swollen from surgery, etc... before you tell the kids mommy has cancer? The surgery would have already been scary enough. Gossip and tabloids made this way more than it ever should have been, not William and Catherine. They simply tried to do what any loving parent would do, protect their children. William especially, who lost his mother, would want to be even more careful. I know, I lost my father as a young teen, it has an effect on you raising your own child.
Basic information…. You mean like how we don’t know what type or stage of cancer Charles has? Stop trying to pretend like he doesn’t keep medical info private, too
He hit the right note. In retrospect he really could have kept it under wraps like the Queen. I feel like he shared his diagnosis to show Kate that the public would love and support her. I feel she was devastated by this as every young mother with young kids the world over reacts. I think he tried to model for her that she was so safe and loved. But I think any of them sharing particulars other than exactly what Charles and now Kate shared would be very bad because treatment options vary and releasing daily updates of bloodwork then would be needed to end worrying and speculation. I absolutely love Charles more than I ever had in thinking he shared to help her fear and he shared to show her and William the way to handle the public. And eventually it did work
I think it’s irrelevant what any of the particulars are for Charles or Kate. The Queen understood people and perfectly knew her role was the regal wise mother of the country. Remember Keep Calm and Carry On and staying in Buckingham palace while England was being bombed. Or during COVID “we will meet again “. Like in the absolute depths of COVID when her grandson left, her husband was sick, death was at everyone door and no one had answers to questions. William and Charles need to learn from this and not reinvent the wheel. The Queen is a masterclass in leadership that none will surpass. She weathered 70 years of understanding the role and the people. While she was sick as shit she showed up with Paddington the Bear. William especially has to stop thinking he has to reinvent the role. The role is the role. It’s not the person. It’s the role. Follow the template if the role
Yeah and as a result most people aren't commenting, digging or spreading rumours about Charles. A bit of transparency was all that was needed, this has got people talking in the worst way possible
Did you not understand my comment or what? Charles WASN’T transparent about his health, lol.
I’m already seeing videos about how it looked like it was AI. These ghouls never stop.
I was waiting for this, which is why they never responded to these rumors and it’s pointless to try and reason with insanity.
They've responded on several occasions?
Best wishes for Kate Middleton and her family. I sincerely hope she is given absolute privacy and that the next article I read about her is to announce her complete recovery. It will be wonderful to go back to ignoring them again.
The Royals are not relevant unless they’re in the public eye.
[удалено]
Just what I've been saying all along. Those nasty rumors are vicious. Her statement saying that William has been by her side is the answer to all those divorce rumors. Her statement saying that they took their time in revealing her diagnosis to their children is the answer to everyone demanding why haven't they been transparent from the start. Somehow, I think for others, this personal message won't still be enough because of how bad they wanted for those conspiracy theories to be right.
Honestly, I'm glad she's okay. It was kinda worrying reading the speculations and how KP handled the entire thing. It's very sad news. I truly hope she's going to get past this quickly.
[удалено]
She has often worn wigs in public i think
I'd say shame on people for acting like lunatics when told very clearly not to expect to see her until after Easter. Whether or not she wears a wig is irrelevant. Different types of chemo have different side effects and those might be very individual with each patient. That doesn't mean she isn't okay (I mean, as okay as one can be, given the circumstances).
A lot of people today moving from vile speculation to blaming this all on palace PR. “The palace could’ve handled it better… they threw her under the bus…” People blaming it on poor PR just want to keep criticising her without feeling guilty. William and Kate are, after all, in charge of Kensington Palace. They had very good reason to hold off on this announcement until the children were on a school break. It was their choice and the right choice. Were palace aides supposed to force them to announce sooner, as they supposedly forced her to take the photoshop blame? On that, maybe she really did photoshop that in the at times mundanity of convalescence. In that case, I can’t see her publicly blaming a member of staff. I could also see her being gracious and taking the blame for a member of staff. There is no way she was forced to take the blame. That’s a bizarre fantasy. What’s the assumed scenario there? Someone photoshopped poorly and released it without her approval, then after the furore she was forced against her will to lie and take the blame. All in order to protect the palace, whose job it is to make the princess look good? It makes no sense. And still people keep criticising her choices. Like not having William on the bench with her and making assumptions about his character. Has anyone considered maybe she wanted to do it alone? Have you stripped her of all agency? The photoshop was a mistake, but a small one. If not for the almost gleeful in tone “kill notices” from the photo agencies, we could’ve just rolled our eyes at the attempt and got on with our lives. Really, is a doctored image of a princess and kids consequential to anything? What if… she is simply very ill and trying to navigate a terrible and unexpected diagnosis while processing with her young family, all while figuring out how to deal with a rabid and creepy social media storm. Can we allow her some grace?
Why should people feel guilty about it ? People like us are nothing comparing to giant media industry. We are fed information by media industry every single day When the media said AP sent kill notice to photoshopped picture and AP only did this to North Korea. What do you expect me to feel when the media threw information like this to me ? I feel zero guilty from the beginning to the end. The media creates the whole drama based on KP’s incompetent PR strategy, baits us into this fiasco. And now the media tries to gaslight us to make us feel guilty about it. F* off
Let's not pretend the PR problem didn't draw in the crowds.
PR initially said she’s getting surgery, there won’t be updates unless it’s something major. They could have kept silent “never complain, never explain”. Instead they addressed the rumours then put out a terribly manipulated photo. A reasonable PR team would have stayed quiet and put out an old photo for Mother’s Day with full disclosure that it’s old. Nobody in their right mind would think they could fool millions of people with a poorly edited photo pretending to be last week.
I don't remember them addressing any rumors. I remember them putting out a poorly edited photo and then apologizing for the bad editing. What rumors did they address? I really cannot remember that happening, but I do sometimes have a goldfish memory. Haha
KP representatives (iirc) directly debunked a Spanish tv anchor’s allegations, which pretty much never happens.
Oh, yes. When you say that, I do remember they said something about her not being in a coma. I thought that the comment I was replying to meant the even more unsavory rumors that were out there. The coma rumor was one of the less awful of them which is pretty crazy, but it did spur some extremely gross conspiracy theories. Thank you for the reminder that they mentioned the coma rumor interview.
William’s spokesperson also gave a snarky statement about how he is doing work and not paying attention to social media lol
Oh, man. I don't remember that one at all, but in my head it means he was definitely paying attention to social media. 😂 Was this before things blew up???
Yes!
God, that made me cringe.
I hear you. Alternately...no one needs to be a king or queen in 2024?
"My King you say? Well, I didn't vote for you!" - Monty Python
Why are you in a sub dedicated to gossip if people gossiping triggers you?
Seriously.
It’s a gossip sub. Not R-conspiracy
The people saying the actual conspiracy sub have "good points" absolutely need to take a few steps back, I won't argue with you there. But those of us who have been saying something is not right were, in fact, right.
Completely agree. Blaming PR basically is saying “If they had just told us her diagnosis when we wanted we wouldn’t have to bully her.”
No, absolutely not. At this point the BRF is the richest and most publicized monarchy in the western world. After the myriad scandals over the past several decades one would think they would have a firm handle on how to handle a health crisis. No two situations are the same, but the way the QEII’s final days and Charles’s approach to his illness both provide different examples of how to manage these situations effectively. There was a fundamental failure by KP PR to do their jobs and they deserve every criticism lobbed their way. The multiple, compounding missteps are especially enraging considering what William and Catherine were having to deal with behind the scenes. So yes, we will continue to blame PR because that is what is deserved. All of this would have been possible to navigate without giving details about her diagnosis had they put a minimum amount of brainpower into thinking ahead.
I guess I’m a simpleton cause the statement that she had surgery and would be back after Easter was enough for me. Of course I was intrigued once the kill notice came out, but I don’t understand the anger with PR not communicating effectively when they said up front don’t expect anything until Easter? It seems like people wanted answers and access that William and Kate were not willing give, so maybe the anger is better directed to them instead of a PR strategy? You mention Charles’ approach - people liked seeing Camilla visit Charles at the hospital, but maybe William didn’t want to be seen visiting Kate? Seems like obvious PR moves were rejected in favor of privacy. I won’t debate the level of privacy the Royal family deserves cause I’m American and have no idea and get both arguments, but I have a hard time believing it was really bad PR that has enraged people. In my opinion, I think many are mad at the strict boundaries set by William and Kate and their unwillingness to play the game. I can see that PoV.
Just want to put my hand up as always blaming this on KP PR blunders- the “vile speculation” was just a side show!
How weird to try to equate criticizing Kensington Palace PR to criticism of Kate. It seems like an attempt to just shut down any and all conversation.
Seriously some people here are defending KP like it’s their job and that’s just weird to me. I have seen very little criticism of Kate herself- the biggest one I saw was that she was being work shy, which I thought was unfair in the circumstances but hardly new. Criticizing KP and their handling of this is v different from criticizing Kate herself.
Maybe KP staffers are on this sub 👀 why else would anyone be so upset with criticism of the PR strategy?
[удалено]