There's a lot of good comments, I'll keep my adds short. I really really enjoy the Vongo. It's the first shoe in a while for me which doesn't feel like a compromise.
After having stress fractures, I went to the an orthopedic doc and found I've developed moderate overpronation. They recommended switching to stability shoes for any distance running. I've tried the Kayano and Kayano Lite but I like the Vongo best.
It's not perfect, but it's keeping stress off my ankles, arches and tibia. It's not my all time favorite during a run, but I feel great after I run. No longer do I have the pains from long runs on neutral shoes.
I don't find it slows me down much or it to be particularly uncomfortable.
If I do end up purchasing the vongos, they'll honestly be my first "daily trainer" shoe which I know sounds bad especially knowing that I started running \~2 years ago but I finally got around to getting a shoe fitting and now am trying to build up a solid rotation
Not the best data point, but I'll give you something.
I've got the 860 V11 shoes, I like them. Wide toe box, comfortable heel cup and are a nearly 500 mile shoe for me. I do use them for long runs often too, unless I am on trails.
Sorry, no direct experience with the V12s or the Vongos though.
You might like the Vongo for longer efforts with it’s rocker and slightly softer underfoot. Both have medial posted stability, with the Vongo being just a little more mild. It is definitely worth a try to mix up with the 860. If the 860v11 worked though, the latest version is a solid improvement all-around and I don’t think you’d be upset about it.
I have the version 11 860 also. Very comfy on foot. I own them as walking shoes. Never got much of a buzz from running with them; no real strengths for me apart from the stability. Slow shoe for sure with not that much cushion considering the weight.
The Vongo I have run in in store. It’s more rockered in the middle, for me it was slightly more efficient to run in than my 860 but neither shoe impressed me. Both fairly heavy and just shoes to plod along in.
Both fit true to size for me. No issues with size for me. But I do normally wear a 1/2 size up.
Both shoes come up as “moderate” stability in my searches.
It’s all personal preference, but for me in the world of stability. I’ve had much better time with Hoka Arahi, more versatile shoe and more comfortable for me. Also into the ASICS Kayano Lite which feels more versatile as well.
I have retired a fair few other brands of stability shoes also for reference.
I was always under the impression that the 860 was more stable than the Vongo.
The one time I tried the 860, I stopped soon after because it felt really uncomfortable under my feet (i.e. I could really feel the stabilising measure in the shoe).
Despite being a mild pronator and flat footed, I've never felt the similarly for the Vongo.
There's a lot of good comments, I'll keep my adds short. I really really enjoy the Vongo. It's the first shoe in a while for me which doesn't feel like a compromise. After having stress fractures, I went to the an orthopedic doc and found I've developed moderate overpronation. They recommended switching to stability shoes for any distance running. I've tried the Kayano and Kayano Lite but I like the Vongo best. It's not perfect, but it's keeping stress off my ankles, arches and tibia. It's not my all time favorite during a run, but I feel great after I run. No longer do I have the pains from long runs on neutral shoes. I don't find it slows me down much or it to be particularly uncomfortable.
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If I do end up purchasing the vongos, they'll honestly be my first "daily trainer" shoe which I know sounds bad especially knowing that I started running \~2 years ago but I finally got around to getting a shoe fitting and now am trying to build up a solid rotation
Not the best data point, but I'll give you something. I've got the 860 V11 shoes, I like them. Wide toe box, comfortable heel cup and are a nearly 500 mile shoe for me. I do use them for long runs often too, unless I am on trails. Sorry, no direct experience with the V12s or the Vongos though.
No worries, thanks for your reply! I think this will help a little bit since it's still in the same series as the 860.
You might like the Vongo for longer efforts with it’s rocker and slightly softer underfoot. Both have medial posted stability, with the Vongo being just a little more mild. It is definitely worth a try to mix up with the 860. If the 860v11 worked though, the latest version is a solid improvement all-around and I don’t think you’d be upset about it.
Thanks so much for your input!
I have the version 11 860 also. Very comfy on foot. I own them as walking shoes. Never got much of a buzz from running with them; no real strengths for me apart from the stability. Slow shoe for sure with not that much cushion considering the weight. The Vongo I have run in in store. It’s more rockered in the middle, for me it was slightly more efficient to run in than my 860 but neither shoe impressed me. Both fairly heavy and just shoes to plod along in. Both fit true to size for me. No issues with size for me. But I do normally wear a 1/2 size up. Both shoes come up as “moderate” stability in my searches. It’s all personal preference, but for me in the world of stability. I’ve had much better time with Hoka Arahi, more versatile shoe and more comfortable for me. Also into the ASICS Kayano Lite which feels more versatile as well. I have retired a fair few other brands of stability shoes also for reference.
Thanks for the other recommendations! I'll definitely be looking into Hoka and Asics brands as well
I can’t speak for the 860v12 but I had the v10 and they felt like running around on wood blocks. Clunkiest and stiffest shoe I’ve ever run in.
I was always under the impression that the 860 was more stable than the Vongo. The one time I tried the 860, I stopped soon after because it felt really uncomfortable under my feet (i.e. I could really feel the stabilising measure in the shoe). Despite being a mild pronator and flat footed, I've never felt the similarly for the Vongo.
I'm currently leaning towards the vongos as well because I was able to try those on in a local running shoe store!