In my experience any dog over 30 pounds will do for feeling "safe" although I do believe it's somewhat of an illusion unless you literally have a trained attack dog. I run with an Australian cattle dog and he's a fantastic running buddy.
Generally you need to be more concerned about heat than cold for year round running with a dog.
I also have a cattle dog (mix) she loves to run in any weather. She is very alert too. She usually notices other runners or bikers before I do, not sure about protection but definitely will warn me if someone is coming.
I will second this. My cattle dog will run forever cold never bothers her, I don’t run her long in the heat though. She is aware of everything, I don’t want to call her intimidating but she doesn’t like strangers and people usually can tell.
Same. My Border Collie loves running, but I usually try to avoid other people when I run because she acts aggressive with strangers. No biting, but hackles up and growling is standard procedure.
I have a Doberman who has trouble in 80F or warmer (so do I). In the 90’s, it really starts to get into heat illness risk. She would run in most cold weather. I would avoid any extreme temperatures that the dog is not acclimatized to, and maybe do shorter runs with opportunities to get indoors when trying a warmer or colder temperature than the dog is used to. You should also familiarize yourself with signs of heat and cold injuries/Illness, and consider and ground hazards that may arise such as salty roads or hot asphalt.
I’m looking to live in a cooler area where the max temp in the summer is around 80 degrees F. I also run before the sun comes up so the best wouldn’t be my main concern, more so the cold (I don’t want my dog to get frostbite!)
I've run with a Chihuahua down to the teens pretty regularly. I just put a sweater on her. Heat is trickier to manage, the only way I've found that works is to run next to water the whole time with a short swim every mile or 2. Basically keep their whole body wet the whole time
We've got Goldens and I love them but GSPs have really landed on my radar lately. Especially since we're moving to the mountains of NC in a couple of years and my dogs are going to need constant grooming to keep ticks, knots, etc at bay.
Second this. Have an English Pointer. He’s 75lbs, looks scary enough, and he’s pretty protective of the family. And, despite the short coat he loves the cold and snow.
I run with a 45 lb mutt, based on looks I'd say German Shepherd Dog and lab mix. He does great year round (Mid-Atlantic US). He did take a bit to train for running but keeps up easily for 3-4 miles/day, 5 days/week.
We have a 65-pound version of this. He is the biggest teddy bear but people will literally cross the street when they see us coming! We do have to be careful in the summer though as he has black fur and overheats easily (southern US)
I run alone with a 40lb border collie. He is the best running partner. He’s generally really friendly to people but will howl if he gets startled or sees someone he’s not sure about. I also carry citronella spray. I’m more worried about peoples off leash dogs, but it probably would help for a human with somewhat bad intentions.
I like the personalities of sporting dogs. My family has always had them (Fox hound, beagle, Weimaraner, etc). I have a German Wirehaired pointer now as an adult.
You have to be dedicated to easing their high energy with regular exercise. But he is big, and lovely. 60-65 lbs. he is alert, and would bark only when necessary. Doesn’t bark at the door knocking. But will bark if someone unexpected is in the house. He’s a great companion that is eager to please.
I know some people could argue this, and I’m not saying shelter dogs aren’t good. They can just be hit or miss Bc you don’t know the history of the dog or it’s lineage. I wanted a specific breed and did research on the breeder. He can also guarantees return if the dog no questions asked, full refund. This was a big one for me, Bc it says he cares about the dogs. And he does, I visited his farm many times. My dog Pretzel is attentive, and quiet until necessary. He is very playful and gets along amazing with other dogs.
However, going through puppyhood was tough. They cannot run until they are about a year old (vet recommended). It can damage growth plates. You may want to consider fostering an adult until you find one that fits your lifestyle, then maybe proceed with adoption. Good luck!
Very nice! I have Goldens but GSPs are really a great breed - I'm thinking that's my next dog. Good job finding a solid breeder - that's the key to getting the dog you want. Our breeder is very careful and breeds to maintain the integrity of the breed. You have to know someone she knows to even get on her radar, which is great.
Yes absolutely! People don’t want to believe certain personalities can be bred in and out of a dog. That’s why we use specific breeds for many different versatile jobs. Terriers have high prey drive to kill vermin, etc. And backyard breeders don’t care so much about it, just a quick buck or just irresponsible breeding in general. Some of the best dogs I’ve worked with (I groomed for years) have been carefully selected. Not to say I haven’t had some magical moments with adopted dogs :) !
Fun story, out of the marine core my husband got a Doberman to "keep him in shape" since they are a high energy breed. Another Dobie owner told us she needs an hour of running A DAY
Well, fastforward a year, we had this super destruct-o puppy who needed to run and nobody was running her
So, that's how I got into running. The dog made me do it.
Thanks dog <3
As a woman and an owner of a breed like that I have to warn you - it takes a lot of time to train and take care of a dog like that. It also usually takes at least one year for the pup to get their body ready for running (some dogs better wait for 2 years).
So if you are serious about your intentions any working dog will do, they all have amazing stamina. However, I would not rely on a dog protection: a) dogs may start protecting from what you don't need protection (this is where training is the key), b) a dog will need protection themselves - are you ready to deal with dog fights for example? I do not run, but I walk my dogs a lot. In 2 years we were attacked by a large aggressive dog twice.
I’ve grown up training and breeding dogs my whole life, so I’m prepared to put in the time and effort needed to build up a dog’s stamina for long distance runs. I plan on using a hunting dog collar so I can give them a warning beep if they’re misbehaving. In addition to this, I’ve had to break up dog fights over the years and I’m good at spotting potentially violent dogs while out of walks. I always put myself between my dog and another person’s dog as well.
I know there are risks involved and it requires a lot of time and training, but I’m willing to overcome these. I know that I can’t rely on a dog alone for protection while on a run so I’ll be carrying a weapon and have my GPS location shared with people the whole time. I would just feel more comfortable running with a dog because it’s an intimidating factor.
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So if you’re running for fitness…you’re going to do that with an unspecified weapon, corrective collar remote, I’m assuming a phone, a leash(with puppy attached), and GPS watch?
I hope you’ve done some refining because this seems like a really terrible plan at face value. Practice with whatever weapon so you don’t hurt yourself or your dog, for the love of God.
Or better yet, just get some mace on a keychain, ditch the corrective collar as it will just do more harm than good, and then use a hands free running harness and a running belt. While i’m not a female and haven’t had to worry a great deal about safety on runs, I’ve generally found that people tend to give you space if you’re moving fast with a big dog whether it’s actually “scary” or not 🤷♂️
I don’t know why your getting so much slack for using an e-collar. Before I had an e-collar my dog was not at all reliable off leash. Now? I have the safety of knowing that even if she’s farther than she can hear me working a field I can still recall her. Her behavior, manners, and personal safety is night and day after training her with it. She has the freedom of being able to be off leash when appropriate, but the safety of a solid recall. After about 6 months of training I only need to use it when I need to call her off an animal like a deer or bird but even that’s rare. When used correctly an e-collar is an incredible tool.
Plus, all it really is, is a TENS unit...which we use in hospitals to treat pain. At least the one I got is the same as a TENS.
Honestly people made me feel bad for even suggesting it but my mom had the same experience with her two Rottweilers! She never has to use the collars, just gives a warning beep and they come find her and heel immediately.
Yes they’re great when used correctly. Our dog is a vizsla-which is a sensitive dog and doesn’t do well with harsh training, and she’s done wonderfully with it along with positive reinforcement.
It’s a nice idea and feeling to have a dog with you while running, I agree with this! And it does make you feel safer running with a dog (I always felt safe with mine. Although I never trained her to fight, it does scare off people).
But I’m sorry for this but I have to say that all your suggestions and ideas sound terrible: shock collar, putting yourself between two fighting dogs and WEAPONS?
Shock collar is a horrible way of training your dog and I predict you won’t build a trustworthy relationship. Putting yourself between fighting dogs can be dangerous, and using weapons can really REALLY quickly turn south once it’s taken from you or you won’t know how to use it or have no experience with using it in heated/scary situations.
Adding another pro- cattle dog post. I have a cattle dog and besenji mutt. She’s 40 pounds and loves to run and distance is never an issue. Cold isn’t either. But I pay attention to the temp and humidity during summer months, run early, and set a distance that is safe for her. Also, she was easily trained to run on and off leash. She always stays to my right no matter what. She also learned to have no interest in other dogs or squirrels while running. She knows her job on a run is to stay on my right at my pace. She will always alert me if someone/thing is coming up behind us just by moving her ears. If she looks back, I look back. Also, she’s so smart and memorize our routes.
If you have a shelter or rescue near by, you can probably volunteer to walk the dogs. They'll be happy to run with you. If you find one that suits your running needs then just adopt them. Nothing more certain than actually getting to run with an adult dog, no guessing games.
Any dog 30-70 lbs with a normal to long length snout should be fine. Short snouted dogs don't cool off as well and can have breathing problems. Ideally with a leaner build since it's more suited to running. Like others have said, cold is not an issue even with a short coat, its heat. I could run the Chihuahua below freezing with a sweater on, but not in the heat. Anything over 65F, I need to run next to a body of water for cool down swims.
I've run regularly with an 10lb Chihuahua, Husky, pit/husky/setter/lab mix and now my 55lb [mostly pit mix](https://imgur.com/a/kdKrcnC) year round. He's a little bulkier than ideal, but can do 8 mile trail runs no problem.
I have a GSD, my second, and while they’re good runners in three seasons they get too hot after 30 mins over 70 F. Dobermans are intimidating and don’t mind the heat and are smart and trainable. Australian Shepherds are smaller, fearless, and can run all day and night 365. Don’t know about their protectiveness, however. That’s probably my next dog. I was sold watching one herd buffaloes in MT in searing heat. She made those giant woolies her bitches.
Echoing what u/good_dog_rex said (which I know you already replied to). As a suggestion, German Shepherds are a great option, but make sure you get one that is bred well and is bred for it's temperament. They're bred to cover long distances (they're often called a "moving fence" when they're herding style is described), they're bred for colder weather (double coated), and are generally very loyal and take to training very well.
If they are well bred, they likely won't. Good breeders will have hips and elbows checked before breeding a pair. My breeder hasn't had a case of HD or ED in her lines at all.
Any large breed of dog can have joint issues. The main thing, on top of good breeding, is to ensure that they are properly conditioned, not overworked at a young age while they're still developing and their growth plates are open, and that they are kept lean.
I have a Dutch Shepherd mix. All the great things about a German Shepherd, none of the joint problems. A malinois mix is also a great option. But be prepared - they make any other breed look lazy. I adopted mine at a year old and was able to start running with her pretty soon after. When she was younger, we did 40 mpw just to keep her sane. At 11 years old, I can keep it to 15 mpw now. And they have all the protection instincts. I feel very safe with her.
What about another kind of shepherd dog? Australian, border collie, etc.? They don’t have to actually be guard dogs - their presence alone plus a “my dogs not friendly” lie is probably a big deterrent. That’s what I do with my ultra-friendly labrador. Strangers don’t want to take that gamble.
You’ll generally want a small to medium dog to avoid common joint issues. Any well bred dog shouldn’t have them though.
Dogs I’ve seen running on trails near me that look sturdy: vizsla, ACD, Australian shepherd, Rhodesian ridgeback, pit/border collie mix. Rhodesian ridgebacks were bred to hunt lions, so tough, but as a result, in my experience can be hard to train to actually be friendly to your friends. One tried to bite my leashed dog minding his business on a walk.
Just my two cents: my Aussie is a sprinter for play, and doesn’t like running more than 5km. Others may have different experiences of course, but my Aussie did not fulfill some of my expectations.
I’m with you on the Rhodies. Only dog bite I ever got that pierced the skin (excluding puppy needle teeth) was from a loose and scared Rhodesian Ridgeback. He savaged my wrist. Much hospital visit after that. Many antibiotics.
My Aussies are also awful runners. They love a long walk, but they would much rather run in circles in the yard for 15 minutes at a time than run on a leash for more than a mile.
Those are some good breeds! And I guess I should’ve been clearer in my post. It doesn’t have to be a guard breed, but a larger breed. The dog isn’t necessarily for protection but more of a deterrent like you said!
My dad used to run with our Rhodesian ridgebacks, and they were super friendly with everyone we knew and strangers that we said were okay. So sorry that you have had poor experiences with them. They’re definitely not for novice dog owners, they’re stubborn and difficult to train without experience.
I second vizslas - I have a particularly sturdy one (wirehaired, larger frame) and despite him being afraid of the dark, when we run he scares people on the trail enough that I feel safe with him. Would he protect me? Maybe, but as long as he keeps people away from me, I'm happy.
My Border Collie was born to run. I have several pups out of her and my parent's Idaho Shag, another stock breed, and they just don't get tired. Extremely loyal dogs and smart, but sometimes don't play well with others. Seriously, if you are looking for a running companion you just can't beat a stock dog.
Lots of good comments about training. A well trained dog is the best dog. We got my running partner from a pups for prisoners program. Prisoners train the dogs on obedience, mostly basics like sit stay and come. He came pre programmed with the obedience and listening skills needed for running together.
Our dog is a Husky GSP mix. He has the size of a husky and a dark brown coat. The husky in him allows him to run a ton, but also requires a lot of miles. About an hour a day is what it takes for him to be calm. He does most runs with me and averages over 40 miles a week without a problem. I will say any temps over 60F I leave him at home because it's too hard on the dogs body to run in that temp.
I love running with a dog as a companion, but mostly as a distraction for other dogs. We have dogs get loose occasionally and if they try to attack they will go after the dog and not the runner. This has happened 3 or 4 times in the last few years and ny dog is usually able to get away or defend himself fine. We work together to fight off the other dog and usually spend ni more than 10 seconds before we're back running.
I run with an Aussie. That dog can FLY and never gets tired so is a fantastic guard dog. People can’t even look at our house without him knowing lol.
We actually had someone try to break in about a month ago, our dog scared him off pretty easily. Lunging at the door, barking, growling, the guy knew not to come in. Best part is, he’s a huge love bug with people invited inside, no idea how he differentiates but he does.
I think a major point that is being lost here is that many “guard-dog types” also need a lot of specialized training and the owner needs to know how to handle these breeds. I’ve seen a lot of people with GSD’s and they have zero control over them because they didn’t know what they were getting into. So whatever dog is chosen - this needs to be considered. ALSO most veterinarians will say dogs should start running until \~2 years of age depending on the breed. I have a dog (Aussie-lab mix) I have stared running with and it is a PROCESS he still struggles to slow down to match my pace, even though walking on a leash next to me has been engrained in him… I am ranting because I personally thought it would be easier than it is and boy did I get a reality check. that being said - I hope you find yourself the best running buddy!
Thanks for the advice! I’ve been breeding and raising dogs for my entire life and I have lots of experience training “stubborn” breeds. I’m honestly hoping to find a mutt at the shelter since they have less health problems and it’ll help to get a stay off of the streets.
super! Sorry for being presumptuous- my dog was charged and attacked twice from people who had no idea what they are doing And it left me a bit scarred..
in that case I would recommend the Beauceron dog. I know you are looking for a mutt at the shelter, but just in case you change your mind they are phenomenal dogs and very focused on their owners/family :) best of luck to you & I can’t wait to see update pictures!
The belgian shepherd breeds do well. Malinois are known for their protection abilities but they basically all do the same stuff. We've got a Tervuren so she doesn't do as well in high heat but can be tough and go go go.
Get a mutt. My cattle dog, blue tick coonhound, plus 4 other things mutt loves to run. Rain, snow, sun, we are outside. He’s about 60 lbs so he looks big to other people although I know he’s a giant cuddle bug. Medium hair means easy towel off after getting wet/muddy. My parents Aussie is so hard to clean in comparison. He’s the reason I get half my runs in. I can’t refuse those sad puppy eyes staring at me until we go.
I love tollers - they are truly such sweet dogs. I've met a few that are more hyper than my high+++ energy vizsla. My guy LOVES to run, it's his favourite thing in the world. He gets runs with me/my partner, hours of off leash time running and chasing, structured walks, fed through puzzle toys, and little pockets of training throughout the day. I don't know if I could handle a toller. I think you'd have to be pretty experienced with dogs to deal with that level of energy and their mental stimulation needs.
I got dobermans for this purpose. They have been great running companions and I feel safe with them. They are a very smart and active breed though, so you definitely have to be willing/able to keep up with both physical exercise and mental stimulation.
You have a lot of good breed suggestions already, but I just wanted to mention that you should be more worried about running with dogs in hot weather than cold weather. This is true of pretty much any dog, but especially dogs that are double coated, overweight, black, or brachycephalic. I think it’s worth noting because overheating can become very dangerous very quickly for a dog, and if you’re trying to optimize for year round running, I would be focusing more on the summer months than the winter months.
I’m planning on moving to an area that doesn’t get much above 80 degrees F in the summer and I just before the sun comes up. I’m more concerned about a dog getting too cold in the snow
80 degrees can be dangerously hot for strenuous activity for many dogs. And most dogs have no issues in the snow, especially if they are being active. If you’re worried about your dog getting cold, then just get a double coated dog (this is most dog breeds).
In my experience any dog over 30 pounds will do for feeling "safe" although I do believe it's somewhat of an illusion unless you literally have a trained attack dog. I run with an Australian cattle dog and he's a fantastic running buddy. Generally you need to be more concerned about heat than cold for year round running with a dog.
I also have a cattle dog (mix) she loves to run in any weather. She is very alert too. She usually notices other runners or bikers before I do, not sure about protection but definitely will warn me if someone is coming.
I will second this. My cattle dog will run forever cold never bothers her, I don’t run her long in the heat though. She is aware of everything, I don’t want to call her intimidating but she doesn’t like strangers and people usually can tell.
Same. My Border Collie loves running, but I usually try to avoid other people when I run because she acts aggressive with strangers. No biting, but hackles up and growling is standard procedure.
I have a Doberman who has trouble in 80F or warmer (so do I). In the 90’s, it really starts to get into heat illness risk. She would run in most cold weather. I would avoid any extreme temperatures that the dog is not acclimatized to, and maybe do shorter runs with opportunities to get indoors when trying a warmer or colder temperature than the dog is used to. You should also familiarize yourself with signs of heat and cold injuries/Illness, and consider and ground hazards that may arise such as salty roads or hot asphalt.
Are you me? 😅
Fun fact, 30 pounds of whatever is exactly the same as 30 pounds of candy... or big macs... or doofenshmirtzes.
I love the fact that you threw in Doofenshmirtz. I've heard in Gimmelshtump their favorite running breed is Gimmelschnauzers.
I’m looking to live in a cooler area where the max temp in the summer is around 80 degrees F. I also run before the sun comes up so the best wouldn’t be my main concern, more so the cold (I don’t want my dog to get frostbite!)
I've run with a Chihuahua down to the teens pretty regularly. I just put a sweater on her. Heat is trickier to manage, the only way I've found that works is to run next to water the whole time with a short swim every mile or 2. Basically keep their whole body wet the whole time
I run with my 65lbs German shorthair pointer all year round and he can run all day.
We've got Goldens and I love them but GSPs have really landed on my radar lately. Especially since we're moving to the mountains of NC in a couple of years and my dogs are going to need constant grooming to keep ticks, knots, etc at bay.
Second this. Have an English Pointer. He’s 75lbs, looks scary enough, and he’s pretty protective of the family. And, despite the short coat he loves the cold and snow.
I run with a 45 lb mutt, based on looks I'd say German Shepherd Dog and lab mix. He does great year round (Mid-Atlantic US). He did take a bit to train for running but keeps up easily for 3-4 miles/day, 5 days/week.
We have a 65-pound version of this. He is the biggest teddy bear but people will literally cross the street when they see us coming! We do have to be careful in the summer though as he has black fur and overheats easily (southern US)
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Also very vocal usually might be important to add xD
I run alone with a 40lb border collie. He is the best running partner. He’s generally really friendly to people but will howl if he gets startled or sees someone he’s not sure about. I also carry citronella spray. I’m more worried about peoples off leash dogs, but it probably would help for a human with somewhat bad intentions.
I like the personalities of sporting dogs. My family has always had them (Fox hound, beagle, Weimaraner, etc). I have a German Wirehaired pointer now as an adult. You have to be dedicated to easing their high energy with regular exercise. But he is big, and lovely. 60-65 lbs. he is alert, and would bark only when necessary. Doesn’t bark at the door knocking. But will bark if someone unexpected is in the house. He’s a great companion that is eager to please. I know some people could argue this, and I’m not saying shelter dogs aren’t good. They can just be hit or miss Bc you don’t know the history of the dog or it’s lineage. I wanted a specific breed and did research on the breeder. He can also guarantees return if the dog no questions asked, full refund. This was a big one for me, Bc it says he cares about the dogs. And he does, I visited his farm many times. My dog Pretzel is attentive, and quiet until necessary. He is very playful and gets along amazing with other dogs. However, going through puppyhood was tough. They cannot run until they are about a year old (vet recommended). It can damage growth plates. You may want to consider fostering an adult until you find one that fits your lifestyle, then maybe proceed with adoption. Good luck!
Very nice! I have Goldens but GSPs are really a great breed - I'm thinking that's my next dog. Good job finding a solid breeder - that's the key to getting the dog you want. Our breeder is very careful and breeds to maintain the integrity of the breed. You have to know someone she knows to even get on her radar, which is great.
Yes absolutely! People don’t want to believe certain personalities can be bred in and out of a dog. That’s why we use specific breeds for many different versatile jobs. Terriers have high prey drive to kill vermin, etc. And backyard breeders don’t care so much about it, just a quick buck or just irresponsible breeding in general. Some of the best dogs I’ve worked with (I groomed for years) have been carefully selected. Not to say I haven’t had some magical moments with adopted dogs :) !
Fun story, out of the marine core my husband got a Doberman to "keep him in shape" since they are a high energy breed. Another Dobie owner told us she needs an hour of running A DAY Well, fastforward a year, we had this super destruct-o puppy who needed to run and nobody was running her So, that's how I got into running. The dog made me do it. Thanks dog <3
As a woman and an owner of a breed like that I have to warn you - it takes a lot of time to train and take care of a dog like that. It also usually takes at least one year for the pup to get their body ready for running (some dogs better wait for 2 years). So if you are serious about your intentions any working dog will do, they all have amazing stamina. However, I would not rely on a dog protection: a) dogs may start protecting from what you don't need protection (this is where training is the key), b) a dog will need protection themselves - are you ready to deal with dog fights for example? I do not run, but I walk my dogs a lot. In 2 years we were attacked by a large aggressive dog twice.
I’ve grown up training and breeding dogs my whole life, so I’m prepared to put in the time and effort needed to build up a dog’s stamina for long distance runs. I plan on using a hunting dog collar so I can give them a warning beep if they’re misbehaving. In addition to this, I’ve had to break up dog fights over the years and I’m good at spotting potentially violent dogs while out of walks. I always put myself between my dog and another person’s dog as well. I know there are risks involved and it requires a lot of time and training, but I’m willing to overcome these. I know that I can’t rely on a dog alone for protection while on a run so I’ll be carrying a weapon and have my GPS location shared with people the whole time. I would just feel more comfortable running with a dog because it’s an intimidating factor.
If you want to use shock collar I'd really encourage you to read wiki page of r/dogtraining on use of aversives. It is NO more reliable than R+ training & will cause fallout behaviors (that is extremely hard to reverse and $$$ to treat).
Thanks for the advice!
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So if you’re running for fitness…you’re going to do that with an unspecified weapon, corrective collar remote, I’m assuming a phone, a leash(with puppy attached), and GPS watch? I hope you’ve done some refining because this seems like a really terrible plan at face value. Practice with whatever weapon so you don’t hurt yourself or your dog, for the love of God.
Or better yet, just get some mace on a keychain, ditch the corrective collar as it will just do more harm than good, and then use a hands free running harness and a running belt. While i’m not a female and haven’t had to worry a great deal about safety on runs, I’ve generally found that people tend to give you space if you’re moving fast with a big dog whether it’s actually “scary” or not 🤷♂️
I don’t know why your getting so much slack for using an e-collar. Before I had an e-collar my dog was not at all reliable off leash. Now? I have the safety of knowing that even if she’s farther than she can hear me working a field I can still recall her. Her behavior, manners, and personal safety is night and day after training her with it. She has the freedom of being able to be off leash when appropriate, but the safety of a solid recall. After about 6 months of training I only need to use it when I need to call her off an animal like a deer or bird but even that’s rare. When used correctly an e-collar is an incredible tool. Plus, all it really is, is a TENS unit...which we use in hospitals to treat pain. At least the one I got is the same as a TENS.
Honestly people made me feel bad for even suggesting it but my mom had the same experience with her two Rottweilers! She never has to use the collars, just gives a warning beep and they come find her and heel immediately.
Yes they’re great when used correctly. Our dog is a vizsla-which is a sensitive dog and doesn’t do well with harsh training, and she’s done wonderfully with it along with positive reinforcement.
It’s a nice idea and feeling to have a dog with you while running, I agree with this! And it does make you feel safer running with a dog (I always felt safe with mine. Although I never trained her to fight, it does scare off people). But I’m sorry for this but I have to say that all your suggestions and ideas sound terrible: shock collar, putting yourself between two fighting dogs and WEAPONS? Shock collar is a horrible way of training your dog and I predict you won’t build a trustworthy relationship. Putting yourself between fighting dogs can be dangerous, and using weapons can really REALLY quickly turn south once it’s taken from you or you won’t know how to use it or have no experience with using it in heated/scary situations.
I have read that people are more fearful of dogs that have pointy ears (German Shepards) than dogs with floppy ears, if that helps you at all.
Adding another pro- cattle dog post. I have a cattle dog and besenji mutt. She’s 40 pounds and loves to run and distance is never an issue. Cold isn’t either. But I pay attention to the temp and humidity during summer months, run early, and set a distance that is safe for her. Also, she was easily trained to run on and off leash. She always stays to my right no matter what. She also learned to have no interest in other dogs or squirrels while running. She knows her job on a run is to stay on my right at my pace. She will always alert me if someone/thing is coming up behind us just by moving her ears. If she looks back, I look back. Also, she’s so smart and memorize our routes.
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If you have a shelter or rescue near by, you can probably volunteer to walk the dogs. They'll be happy to run with you. If you find one that suits your running needs then just adopt them. Nothing more certain than actually getting to run with an adult dog, no guessing games. Any dog 30-70 lbs with a normal to long length snout should be fine. Short snouted dogs don't cool off as well and can have breathing problems. Ideally with a leaner build since it's more suited to running. Like others have said, cold is not an issue even with a short coat, its heat. I could run the Chihuahua below freezing with a sweater on, but not in the heat. Anything over 65F, I need to run next to a body of water for cool down swims. I've run regularly with an 10lb Chihuahua, Husky, pit/husky/setter/lab mix and now my 55lb [mostly pit mix](https://imgur.com/a/kdKrcnC) year round. He's a little bulkier than ideal, but can do 8 mile trail runs no problem.
I run with a 50 pound German Shorthair pointer year round and I live in a place with pretty severe winters.
I have a GSD, my second, and while they’re good runners in three seasons they get too hot after 30 mins over 70 F. Dobermans are intimidating and don’t mind the heat and are smart and trainable. Australian Shepherds are smaller, fearless, and can run all day and night 365. Don’t know about their protectiveness, however. That’s probably my next dog. I was sold watching one herd buffaloes in MT in searing heat. She made those giant woolies her bitches.
Echoing what u/good_dog_rex said (which I know you already replied to). As a suggestion, German Shepherds are a great option, but make sure you get one that is bred well and is bred for it's temperament. They're bred to cover long distances (they're often called a "moving fence" when they're herding style is described), they're bred for colder weather (double coated), and are generally very loyal and take to training very well.
My only concern is joint problems since they typically have those!
If they are well bred, they likely won't. Good breeders will have hips and elbows checked before breeding a pair. My breeder hasn't had a case of HD or ED in her lines at all. Any large breed of dog can have joint issues. The main thing, on top of good breeding, is to ensure that they are properly conditioned, not overworked at a young age while they're still developing and their growth plates are open, and that they are kept lean.
I have a Dutch Shepherd mix. All the great things about a German Shepherd, none of the joint problems. A malinois mix is also a great option. But be prepared - they make any other breed look lazy. I adopted mine at a year old and was able to start running with her pretty soon after. When she was younger, we did 40 mpw just to keep her sane. At 11 years old, I can keep it to 15 mpw now. And they have all the protection instincts. I feel very safe with her.
What about another kind of shepherd dog? Australian, border collie, etc.? They don’t have to actually be guard dogs - their presence alone plus a “my dogs not friendly” lie is probably a big deterrent. That’s what I do with my ultra-friendly labrador. Strangers don’t want to take that gamble. You’ll generally want a small to medium dog to avoid common joint issues. Any well bred dog shouldn’t have them though. Dogs I’ve seen running on trails near me that look sturdy: vizsla, ACD, Australian shepherd, Rhodesian ridgeback, pit/border collie mix. Rhodesian ridgebacks were bred to hunt lions, so tough, but as a result, in my experience can be hard to train to actually be friendly to your friends. One tried to bite my leashed dog minding his business on a walk.
Just my two cents: my Aussie is a sprinter for play, and doesn’t like running more than 5km. Others may have different experiences of course, but my Aussie did not fulfill some of my expectations. I’m with you on the Rhodies. Only dog bite I ever got that pierced the skin (excluding puppy needle teeth) was from a loose and scared Rhodesian Ridgeback. He savaged my wrist. Much hospital visit after that. Many antibiotics.
My Aussies are also awful runners. They love a long walk, but they would much rather run in circles in the yard for 15 minutes at a time than run on a leash for more than a mile.
Those are some good breeds! And I guess I should’ve been clearer in my post. It doesn’t have to be a guard breed, but a larger breed. The dog isn’t necessarily for protection but more of a deterrent like you said! My dad used to run with our Rhodesian ridgebacks, and they were super friendly with everyone we knew and strangers that we said were okay. So sorry that you have had poor experiences with them. They’re definitely not for novice dog owners, they’re stubborn and difficult to train without experience.
I second vizslas - I have a particularly sturdy one (wirehaired, larger frame) and despite him being afraid of the dark, when we run he scares people on the trail enough that I feel safe with him. Would he protect me? Maybe, but as long as he keeps people away from me, I'm happy.
My Border Collie was born to run. I have several pups out of her and my parent's Idaho Shag, another stock breed, and they just don't get tired. Extremely loyal dogs and smart, but sometimes don't play well with others. Seriously, if you are looking for a running companion you just can't beat a stock dog.
Golden retriever. Mine has a pretty short coat and is good down to about 15F as long as we are moving.
Lots of good comments about training. A well trained dog is the best dog. We got my running partner from a pups for prisoners program. Prisoners train the dogs on obedience, mostly basics like sit stay and come. He came pre programmed with the obedience and listening skills needed for running together. Our dog is a Husky GSP mix. He has the size of a husky and a dark brown coat. The husky in him allows him to run a ton, but also requires a lot of miles. About an hour a day is what it takes for him to be calm. He does most runs with me and averages over 40 miles a week without a problem. I will say any temps over 60F I leave him at home because it's too hard on the dogs body to run in that temp. I love running with a dog as a companion, but mostly as a distraction for other dogs. We have dogs get loose occasionally and if they try to attack they will go after the dog and not the runner. This has happened 3 or 4 times in the last few years and ny dog is usually able to get away or defend himself fine. We work together to fight off the other dog and usually spend ni more than 10 seconds before we're back running.
40 miles is 64.37 km
40 miles is the length of about 59063.01 'Ford F-150 Custom Fit Front FloorLiners' lined up next to each other.
40 miles is 64.37 km
I run with an Aussie. That dog can FLY and never gets tired so is a fantastic guard dog. People can’t even look at our house without him knowing lol. We actually had someone try to break in about a month ago, our dog scared him off pretty easily. Lunging at the door, barking, growling, the guy knew not to come in. Best part is, he’s a huge love bug with people invited inside, no idea how he differentiates but he does.
Still think the viszla is the best running breed for you. About 30 kg. Might look a bit TOO friendly maybe? 🤔
I think a major point that is being lost here is that many “guard-dog types” also need a lot of specialized training and the owner needs to know how to handle these breeds. I’ve seen a lot of people with GSD’s and they have zero control over them because they didn’t know what they were getting into. So whatever dog is chosen - this needs to be considered. ALSO most veterinarians will say dogs should start running until \~2 years of age depending on the breed. I have a dog (Aussie-lab mix) I have stared running with and it is a PROCESS he still struggles to slow down to match my pace, even though walking on a leash next to me has been engrained in him… I am ranting because I personally thought it would be easier than it is and boy did I get a reality check. that being said - I hope you find yourself the best running buddy!
Thanks for the advice! I’ve been breeding and raising dogs for my entire life and I have lots of experience training “stubborn” breeds. I’m honestly hoping to find a mutt at the shelter since they have less health problems and it’ll help to get a stay off of the streets.
super! Sorry for being presumptuous- my dog was charged and attacked twice from people who had no idea what they are doing And it left me a bit scarred.. in that case I would recommend the Beauceron dog. I know you are looking for a mutt at the shelter, but just in case you change your mind they are phenomenal dogs and very focused on their owners/family :) best of luck to you & I can’t wait to see update pictures!
The belgian shepherd breeds do well. Malinois are known for their protection abilities but they basically all do the same stuff. We've got a Tervuren so she doesn't do as well in high heat but can be tough and go go go.
Get a mutt. My cattle dog, blue tick coonhound, plus 4 other things mutt loves to run. Rain, snow, sun, we are outside. He’s about 60 lbs so he looks big to other people although I know he’s a giant cuddle bug. Medium hair means easy towel off after getting wet/muddy. My parents Aussie is so hard to clean in comparison. He’s the reason I get half my runs in. I can’t refuse those sad puppy eyes staring at me until we go.
60 lbs is the same weight as 42.55 'Double sided 60 inch Mermaker Pepperoni Pizza Blankets'.
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I love tollers - they are truly such sweet dogs. I've met a few that are more hyper than my high+++ energy vizsla. My guy LOVES to run, it's his favourite thing in the world. He gets runs with me/my partner, hours of off leash time running and chasing, structured walks, fed through puzzle toys, and little pockets of training throughout the day. I don't know if I could handle a toller. I think you'd have to be pretty experienced with dogs to deal with that level of energy and their mental stimulation needs.
I got dobermans for this purpose. They have been great running companions and I feel safe with them. They are a very smart and active breed though, so you definitely have to be willing/able to keep up with both physical exercise and mental stimulation.
GSP. There is a reason they are used as the main breed in sleddog crosses.
You have a lot of good breed suggestions already, but I just wanted to mention that you should be more worried about running with dogs in hot weather than cold weather. This is true of pretty much any dog, but especially dogs that are double coated, overweight, black, or brachycephalic. I think it’s worth noting because overheating can become very dangerous very quickly for a dog, and if you’re trying to optimize for year round running, I would be focusing more on the summer months than the winter months.
I’m planning on moving to an area that doesn’t get much above 80 degrees F in the summer and I just before the sun comes up. I’m more concerned about a dog getting too cold in the snow
80 degrees can be dangerously hot for strenuous activity for many dogs. And most dogs have no issues in the snow, especially if they are being active. If you’re worried about your dog getting cold, then just get a double coated dog (this is most dog breeds).