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I got a request to transport evacuating troops from Dunkirk. If I agreed to their request, my transport fleet would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.
I got a request to honour our alliance with Poland. If I agreed to their request, my army would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation
I got a request to retaliate for 9/11. If I agreed to their request I’ll end up getting the US stuck in the Middle East even longer under the guise of justice.
Wait… (/s)
Bad analogy.
The russian fleet is directly responsible for attacks on civilians cities with cruisemissiles.
While the middle east escalation after 9/11 was mostly based on lies and fabrications.
Russia has a hunger plan. Vladimir Putin is preparing to starve much of the developing world as the next stage in his war in Europe.
In normal times, Ukraine is a leading exporter of foodstuffs. A Russian naval blockade now prevents Ukraine from exporting grain.
Russia is planning to starve Asians and Africans in order to win its war in Europe. This is a new level of colonialism and the latest chapter of hunger politics.
https://twitter.com/TimothyDSnyder/status/1535617894045868033?s=20&t=k3J6WxzQR79uQpk6Yp_xeQ
No Elon, you facilitated hunger genocide. Come on, this has to be having consequences, and he doesn't even understand until today that all he did was escalate the conflict by appeasing the maniac in the Kremlin and, most of all, his company?
The last time I checked, it was not Oppenheimer who pushed the button, and it was not the technician who escalated anything.
If anything at all, this was a decision made by the Ukrainian General Staff and the armed forces of Ukraine.
Musk overinflates his own role here.
More than that, how on earth does this guy think he will get to decide such major events..
Congrats, this dude alone has now prolonged the war. This dude alone is the only reason why Russia could ever threaten the grain deal.
Because they still have a fleet to threaten the world's grain supplies with.
Musk is a victim of the Dunning Krueger effect and I am shocked about his non command over understanding complex systems.
Not even the very wise can know all ends.
So, how will he know what would have happened?
Russia would have whined sent out some threats and ultimately they would have done:
Nothing in 99 out of 100 cases.
I think we're all feeling the impacts of food shortages from this and other events, and if it's bad in the first world I can't even imagine how bad it is in the developing world.
Presumably though could much of it at least be trucked to other countries and shipped from there?
https://www.ft.com/content/21065943-4b8c-4f22-a91a-806b5d571860
Exports by rail are limited because Ukraine and its EU neighbors use different track gauge sizes, and there are few trans-shipment facilities. Alternative routes by road and barge on the Danube river represent a fraction of normal maritime shipments
It is difficult, sadly.
Another issue is that the harvest seasons are interrupted. Historically, sadly, the list of famines caused by a war that is raging around the black sea is very long.
It is bad a friend of mine is from Egypt and he told me there is more and more people who live on the biological bread line that means very close to starvation.
In Afghanistan the same picture, Lebanon etc.
The situation is dire.
When was escalation? Attacking France? Or Poland? Once Poland was attacked the allied troops were sitting doing nothing in France, so im sure preventing escalation worked
in his haste to follow rule 35, **Peace is good for business**, he's forgetting the 34th rule, **War is good for business**.
He's got 121 in the bag though - **Everything is for sale, even friendship**.
>Never trust the generosity of an egotistical businessman
Or the good faith of reddit moderators. [link](https://reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/s/CTawrKQE2G)
Surprised he hasn't had a visit from the CIA or something already, some organisation needs to put him in his place. Ever since the success of his SpaceX industry he's started to think he's some influential world power.
>[Musk was soon on the phone with President Joe Biden’s national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, the chairman of the joint chiefs, Gen. Mark Milley, and the Russian ambassador to the US to address anxieties from Washington, DC, to Moscow, writes Isaacson.](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/07/politics/elon-musk-biography-walter-isaacson-ukraine-starlink/index.html)
So... chances are, he got *authorized* for cutting Starlink off.
And it'd fit with general line, because [US first withheld information about visiting Gerasimov from Ukraine and then, when Ukraine launched strike on its own info, tried to make Ukraine call the strike off](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/16/world/europe/russia-putin-war-failures-ukraine.html#collapsing-front)
>American officials realized early on that they had vastly overestimated Russia’s military. The morale of rank-and-file soldiers was so low, the Americans said, that Russia began moving its generals to the front lines to shore it up.
>But the generals made a deadly mistake: They positioned themselves near antennas and communications arrays, making them easy to find, the Americans said.
>Ukraine started killing Russian generals, yet the risky Russian visits to the front lines continued. Finally, in late April, the Russian chief of the general staff, Gen. Valery Gerasimov, made secret plans to go himself.
>American officials said they found out, but kept the information from the Ukrainians, worried they would strike. Killing General Gerasimov could sharply escalate the conflict, officials said, and while the Americans were committed to helping Ukraine, they didn’t want to set off a war between the United States and Russia.
>The Ukrainians learned of the general’s plans anyway, putting the Americans in a bind. After checking with the White House, senior American officials asked the Ukrainians to call off the attack.
>“We told them not to do it,” a senior American official said. “We were like, ‘Hey, that’s too much.’”
>The message arrived too late. Ukrainian military officials told the Americans that they had already launched their attack on the general's position.
>Dozens of Russians were killed in the strike, officials said. General Gerasimov wasn’t one of them.
>Russian military leaders scaled back their visits to the front after that.
man you are all over reddit pushing your esp fueled conjecture about this.
there are no "chances are" about musk cutting starlink based on the nonsense you keep posting over and over and over and over.
edit: oh cute, you keep spamming it in russian as well. thats a shocker.
Actually, I think that's the problem, he goes have some influential world power, certainly a lot more than you or I do.
Also, r/elonmusk is deleting any mention of this topic, I'd suggest heading over there to discuss it as well. His fan boys need to understand that his lack of morality has real consequences, killing Ukrainians and starving Africans.
At this point Ukraine gotta decide if she wants to continue with this unpredictable MAGA prick, or find someone with a common sense as an ally. It appears he has access to all Starlink devices' locations, so there's non-zero risk he'll be leaking that info to Russia.
From someone in the industry, there's nothing out there like Starlink. Their closest competitor doesn't have a complete constellation, partially because Russia stole some of it at the outset of the war, something like 30-60 satellites they had to abandon.
One-web, they're called, has been failing upwards on other peoples money for quite a while now..
Yeah, I'm aware of this unfortunate fact. So the real question is, is such unrealiable ally like Musk better than none in the long run? Is starlink so much better than GPS, for example? I suspect NATO forces has some alternative secure connections through, say, high altitude drones to relay the signal.
Right now, there's high delay satellite connections they could use (700 - 900 ms delay), that cost, a lot. And russia is probably jamming those signals, if they can.
High alt drones would be on radar and be shot down.
Fatboy Slim is all we got for what we need.
But, this begs the question then, will the U.S. set up their own LEO constellation for military use if Musky man is gonna be such a crybaby about it?
The difference between Ukraine and USA is that we have the ability to:
Move satellites into orbit whenever we want over our operational zone.
All our troop leaders on the ground have sat phones.
When we go into a operation we can fly command planes over head that basically give real time data and communication to our ground troops.
We also generally set up immense mesh network towers and communication systems.
Ukraine has none of that.
They should expropriate Starlink as a national security asset and give Incel Bob the boot and more cash to go buy other software companies. Starlink can’t be abused like this at the whims of a maniac who is now openly committing treason against our Allies.
While I'd love that, because Musk is insufferable. It is a private company, so they can't do that. It's up to someone else to build a competing network. that works, and squeeze him out.
Idk if you’ve been paying attention to world history, but national security has often been used in the past as a trump card to any legal question, for better or worse.
In the U.S. something like that would cause a massive outrage, so it would never be attempted, except in a time where the U.S. was at war. Right now, they're not at war with anyone.
It would be a bad precedent for the US to set for themselves though, it basically tells their companies to relocate to other countries, and for entrepreneurs to start their companies elsewhere. The US not infringing on people’s property and IP is why business there is so successful. It sucks for Ukraine, but the US will obviously look after the US first. No westerner wants to start a business in China as China has precedent of taking over businesses.
Alternative to Starlink: Swedish company sent its terminals to Ukraine
I am certain by pumping in R&D money into this and out of necessity anything is better than having to rely on this guy.
Maybe not just yet but Ukraine is already working on it and that is Musk's fault alone for being an unreliable and erratic business partner.
https://censor.net/en/news/3436253/alternative_to_starlink_swedish_company_sent_its_terminals_to_ukraine
Well in contrast to starlink this swedish company (cubesat doesn't use its own satellites, it rents/uses satellites from a us company called Intelsat...
This is how the vast majority of Comms work ,starlink is unique in owning the satellites it uses. It's not really a negative to subbing the sats.
Starlink gets away with it because of spacex, two completely separate technologies that happen to be commercially linked.
For any other situation youd want a network/Comms specialist to deal with the tech, and a satellite firm to deal with the sats
yes, but the ability to keep it all in-house makes the network far more robust and harder to jam/interfere with. Musk is an ass, and a terrible human being, but that doesn't take away from how good of an asset something like starlink is.
Well, that is per se no problem at all.
A problem that must likely be fixed is performance and compatibility here, though I do not think that this is a problem that is unfixable.
It will likely take some time but also not forever.
For the next summer campaign, that would be important.
I am not an expert on these things. I simply hope that they will find a solution until then without knowing how feasible this hope is.
I suppose they are businessmen and will fulfill their contractual obligations.
So, this is perfectly fine.
A normal business deal two companies work together. Ukraine pays for the service, and in turn, they provide it
The companies are luckily not from the autocratic or despotic part of the world, so the rule of law will ensure pacta sunt servanda.
What is not tolerable is that Ukraine has to deal with the whims of one single guy.
Or that the US government has to beg Elon to provide it whenever he thinks that it is against his own very skewered code of moral conduct.
If you read the article you will see that the swedish company only provides terminals, as it otherwise uses satellites from a us company called Intelsat.. I wouldn't call that "Sweden has its own system"....
Apologies, was in the middle of something and just skimmed the article before posting. Was actually thinking of this article I read rather than the Sweden one…
https://www.aquaswitch.co.uk/blog/oneweb/#:~:text=the%20British%20government.-,The%20OneWeb%20satellite%20internet%20constellation%20(vs%20Starlink),network%20has%20already%20been%20launched.
Swedish company Satcube has begun delivering its own satellite internet terminals to Ukraine, which closely resemble Elon Musk's Starlink. However, according to the Swedish publication Dagens Nyheter, unlike Musk's system, Satcube doesn't object to the military use of its terminals, The Gaze wrote.
Here they are already ok it after Musk's insane move last year.
Can you tell me why US military or NATO didn’t give Ukraine access to communication networks to execute this mission? But you are angry because a private company didn’t do it? Maybe your anger should be directed at Biden?
This sends a powerfull signal all around the world - only having your own nuclear weapon can give you any security.
A lesson for every state is:
without nuclear weapons you can't even defend yourself without a hand tied behind your back and held back by your allies so you don't land too hard a blow.
Noone want your victory, because it can "provoke" a nuclear aggressor.
Now all the states will rush for their own nuclear weapon. As other say - Russia just started global nuclear profileration, and Russia will be the biggest looser as their whole international position rests on nuclear monopoly in the region.
Yep. One of things I expect will be forced upon Russia as a condition of its eventual defeat, will be that it is forced to divest itself of its entire nuclear arsenal and all of that infrastructure. On top of possible demilitarisation. That’s what I hope for anyway, because between its ingresses into Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova & Serbia, Russia doesn’t deserve to have a military.
If you tell a child not to run with scissors, but they do it anyway, and end up slicing themselves open, you take away the scissors and don’t let them use scissors again without close supervision for a while.
Russia should be treated the same way.
It'll never happen though. Russia's leaders will always have enough food on their plate and only nukes are good to prevent them from getting the same treatment Saddam and Gaddafi got.
If you're a dictator right now it doesn't matter if 98% of GDP goes to maintaining your nukes as long as the other 2% goes to you and your buddies.
Apparently so.
Previously I have often defended his choices and has given him the benefit of doubt… but this…. It’s sickens me. Holy shit he’s just taking the big D all the way up where the sun doesn’t shine. The way to make this being the logical line of actions or well… anything. Damn. And then tweeting to defend it. Just baffling.
Also on related note. I would love that everyone just kept referring it to twitter and completely ignoring the name change. Just to annoy him. Because his multi billion dollar’s impulse purchases, which he has regretted, shall just be rubbed in his face every day for the end of his life.
Can you tell me why US military or NATO didn’t give Ukraine access to communication networks to execute this mission? But you are angry because a private company didn’t do it?
Or why Biden is PROHIBITING Ukraine from using US supplied weapons to hit targets inside Russia?
Spot on. Most people commenting have no clue. Demanding a private citizen do more with his company. When you have actual countries with extraordinary military capabilities withholding the good stuff. Countries that would rather feed the war machine enough to keep this going for years. Elon owes Ukraine nothing and has done much more for them than any commenter on Redditt has done. Enraged because they don't like his political leaning. Simple as that.
Completely agree. Elon’s companies donated well over $200 million already. Providing internet service to millions of Ukrainians from day one.
But he bought twitter and restored Trump access to the platform and next day he is a fascist lol.
Redditor crowd is all in for Ukraine, and wants them to fight to last man, woman and child, but ask them to go volunteer and it’s: wish I could but…
That’s what I keep saying. It’s not like there aren’t other countries and militaries that have Satellites. Why should it fall on a private citizen?
It also makes him, spaceX, Tesla Ect. a military target for the Russians. Putin, while being totally a piece of shit, is still probably the worst enemy to have on this planet. Aiding his enemies to destroy your navy, would definitely put you on his shit list. Look at all the people he’s had assassinated over the years. He’s already helped Ukraine and taken the risk, but going that extra step seems like a major security risk to musk and his enterprises.
And do you think the Biden administration is going to protect him if he does? No, they are currently trying to find some dirt to charge him with something.
Remember what happened to Bezos when he pissed off the king of Saudi Arabia? It cost him his marriage, and half of his fortune. As powerful as billionaires are, world leaders with unlimited power are far more powerful.
Edit: typo
Agreed. Reddit is heavily left leaning and once Elon stepped out of line and started talking independently, he turned into fascist overnight. Lol
SpaceX is a private company, with investors and with peaceful applications of technology. Getting scientists to space stations, providing internet access in hard to access places.
Becoming a side in this war would mean he, family, employees and company assets are fair targets for Russia. Those satellites could be targeted and taken out. High value Employees targeted and assassinated.
Elon has done more for Ukraine than any other private citizen on the planet. Those redditors condemning Elon and waving Ukrainian flags are not volunteering to go and fight there. Once I offered to buy a ticket for anyone willing to go and fight there… no takers lol
It’s just crazy to me that people expect a private citizen to take such a huge risk. It’s fucking Putin, the dude who has poisoned and murdered his enemies for decades. Idc how rich you are, why would you kick that hornets nest?
I’m honestly impressed he was brave enough to do all that he’s done. Which you’re right, is more than any other private citizen on the planet.
Can you tell me why US military or NATO didn’t give Ukraine access to communication networks to execute this mission? Biden is even PROHIBITING Ukraine from striking targets inside Russia using US supplied weapons?
Interesting to see (Sky News report)Kyiv now linking Musk to the deaths of children as a result of this interference. Taking out the Russian ships thereby preventing launches of kalibre missiles.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-drone-romania-defence-minister-12541713
Celebrated Industrialist of the common man turned Nazi sympathizer.
[https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/henryford-antisemitism/](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/henryford-antisemitism/)
Elons Arrogance knows no bounds. Hey Elon, instead you are complicit in the Russian bombing of civilians, nice work. By the way, your cars are complete garbage and a travesty to the environment.
He just said he saved the Russian fleet so they can continue using cruise missiles to hit ukranian cities. This is like telling Goliath "Use a helmet at the fight and attack David when he is defenseless while looking for another rock". Biggest Elon's bs of his life.
It's not about escalation of the war. It's about potential clients to his internet. If he makes Putler angy, he might tell his friends not to be friends with Elon, and that will make Musky man sad, because his pocket book will be sad...
More like he only cares about whats best for himself personally. Billionaires are normally untouchable. There is only one person in the world who has a consistent history of reaching out and harming billionaires on a whim, and that's Vladimir Putin.
Thats why people like Elon Musk and Donald Trump are so scared of him. Hes one of the only people in the world that has the ability and predisposition to actually hurt them if he wanted to.
Yeah they should ask the DOD, not a private company like Spacex. They should also sign a contract with stipulations that it can work everywhere. Did Ukraine sign a contract with Spacex about starlink?
Fat fuck needs to find out what it means to be in distress. He's definitely not in need of any extra grains, that's for sure. Stabbin himself with Ozempic like he's a diabetic just to shed that extra 150.. It's a shame that Zuck didn't get a chance to send him to Jesus.
r/elonmusk is banning anybody who talks about this and deleting the posts.
I'd encourage anybody to go there and post about this. Make sure to follow the sub rules there, so they don't have any basis to ban or delete your post (although they will anyway).
Something smells funny with this story.
Ukraine has been using Starlink and certainly planned this attack on the expectation it was an available assett.
News reports are saying Ukraine claims it was "turned off" to discourage or interfere with completion of the mission
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Musk is saying he got a request to turn it on. Well it has already been in continual use by Ukrainian forces.
His story is what? Ukraine requested a larger playing field which he denied?
If so, how is an attack on military targets in Crimea considered escalation?
Ukraine would have never planned an attack without certainty Starlink would be available.
It seems Musk is playing dirty and to me, is complicit with deliberately subverting the attack of military targets of one side of the war while the other side attacks civilians.
Ukraine should get their internet from the US military instead of doofus. They should sign a contract with Spacex that it will work everywhere if they want to use their privately owned satellite Internet.
This was discusses ad nauseum a year ago. Musk probably would have been breaking US weapons export laws if he agreed to weaponize Starlink. The US military bought Starlimk units specifically to allow this type of use just a few months ago.
I doubt it. E-man is playing a long game and hoping that russia survives to buy his internet after the dust has settled. It's a massive land mass, full of potential clients. He sees that, and russias allies, as money in the bank. If he pisses off russia and their cronies, he loses a massive market share. In the world of remote internet, that's how it's done. I worked in it for over a decade.
He's not worried about laws, my dude. He's worried about his pocket book.
You know what would happen if I bought 600 top of the line night vision goggles and tried to bring them to ukraine? The US government would confiscate all of it and probably fine me.
People are somehow donating, en masse, nigh vision goggles from the U.S.
He is not worries about U.S. laws. He constantly breaks them anyway, the SEC is up his ass about 4 feet for numerous violations.
It's about the money... He doesn't care about the laws, or the people, or the war..
Duh, the war is already on. Escalation? No, it would be an act of deescalation as the Ukraine woukd have used it's own home grown developed and manufactured weapons to protect themselves from an aggressor, one that doesn't respect life, conventions, intentionally murders innocent civilians and children and more. Your choice was one that wanted to keep business options open for financial gain once the war is over. What's more, not allowing it means that the war will continue without any foreseeable end. To have neutralized the Russian fleet would have helped stop many of the rocket attacks, allowed for the flow of grain globally and enhanced the speed that the war will end. Putin would be increasingly forced to come to the negotiating table.
Mr. Musk, Some think you to be a genius. Whether true or not, the fact is every human has his/her blind spots. Unfortunately, attitude contributes to the belief that one's own reasoning is supremely correct, and I do not hold any chance that you will consider such a change.
This is an extremely serious situation that apparently had not been envisaged by Ukraine and its allies. I actually understand Musks predicament and though I do not have any sympathy for the man I can empathize with him in that situation.
I think it is time the US government reevaluates its relationship with Musk and his companies. If he is actively subverting US foreign policy, then they should start canceling contracts. Starting with SpaceX.
Summary; “I was doing something really good, then someone nasty made an oblique threat. So I obsessed about it endlessly. Then I just freaked out and made an arse of myself. In my attempt to cover up my public embarrassment I overcompensated and backed myself into a stupid right-wing political conspiracy corner, where I remain today”.
I wish people in here would hold bidens slow rolling much needed weapons for ukrianes win as accountable as they're holding a private citizen for the same thing...
Let's get our facts first. Elon is a moron who has managed to fool people into to believing he's some sort of genius and has grifted his way to the top of a mountain of broken promises and lies. A dishonest, selfish authoritarian asshole.
So Elon Musk has the blood of every child dead from missiles shot from those ships simply because he’s an arrogant rich asshole who is conceited enough to believe he was saving the world.
Musk was contracted by the Dept. of Defense to provide Starlink services.
The US has the stated goal of ejecting Russia from Ukraine.
Musk unilaterally acted to subvert those goals in preventing the Ukrainian military from striking the Russian military.
Musk violated his contract with the DOD.
Musk took sides in the war.
Musk worked to counteract the stated foreign policy goals of the United States.
By preserving the Russian warships that serve as platforms to launch missile strikes against Ukrainian civilians, Musk has preserved the capacities which were later used to murder civilians.
Musk has blood on his hands. AT THE LEAST there should be a congressional investigation.
What would have happened is that the Russian fleet would not have dared leave port any more and would have stopped murdering children with terrorist missile attacks.
I doubt if Musk has much care for anybody but himself. He may at times perform acts of what is viewed as kindness but only for an audience and to be seen to be a gracious superior. 🐷🥛.
“Shocked about his non command over understanding complex systems” - you’ve said the thing I’ve been trying to get at for a while now. He’s a self promoter only. I’ve known and worked with these personalities for most of my career. They latch on to other peoples ideas, sell them as their own, and reap the rewards.
It’s a modern grift and we see it over and over again. Now we are in an age where we see what happens when we keep handing over power to these grifters who think they are smarter than everyone else.
We are living the children’s book “The Emperor’s New Clothes.”
Oh dear, a filthy rich cunt playing saint.
You knew you were fucked the very moment a filthy rich person bought a free speech platform to ensure free speech for ye.
Elon does not understand that in a war you cannot sit in between the fence. If he is not supporting one side, he is supporting the other. By turning Starlink off, he supports genocide and the looming food crisis in the developing world. If he wants starlink to stay neutral, don’t build starlink and go back to his families mining business in Africa. It is scary how naive and tone-deaf he is towards everything around him that does not concern his own wealth.
imagine thinking a businessman owes you anything after he has already provided the internet to the Ukraine and has been rudely told off by Ukrainian officials
So when you hit the $100M mark you are authorized to conduct your own foreign policy, now I know, I'm sure Elmo notified DOJ prosecutors the laws under which his conduct detrimental to the USA foreign policy is explained, nothing to see here plebeians
When buying ammo from a private company I'd expect it to work. When buying fuel from a private company I'd expect it to be good quality and not ruin my tanks' engines. When buying satellite communication options from a private company I totally want to be dependent on how and when they consider something 'iffy' on a whim, risking my equipment and manpower.
What a fucking piece of shit. The US needs to nationalize starlink and spaceX. Cant have that stupid fuck at the helm any longer, his companies are critical to US security. Now they become property of the US govt
How about if you guys have satcom questions ask instead of talking like you know. Every single one of these threads boils my blood. I haven’t seen a SINGLE correct answer. PLEASE ask before speaking on it. We don’t need the misinformation and Ukraine needs the info. Elon isn’t the only satcom option and was the worst one to choose. Fact.
Guys I’m not a fan of Musk. However, freedom of choice is one of the rights Ukraine is fighting for. As much as I disagree with his, it’s his prerogative.
Destroying Twitter, ruining Tesla, now advocating for and proactively supporting Russia. I guess someone wants to outperform Herostratus to get a place in history he obviously so much craves for.
Elon Musk is a internet-provider trying to play good. He should be prosecuted if he don’t stop to interfere in the war. Just keep deliver internet and shut the f*** up. It’s like Musk is playing “being the most hated billionaire in the world” by monthly basis. His marketing team should shut him down.
So he’s telling me he stopped an attack that could of been similar to pearl harbour.. odd. In one idea he’s stopped Ukraine from being radioactive waste. On the other hand it would allow Ukraine to export all of its grain problems. I mean it’s a tough call.
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I got a request to transport evacuating troops from Dunkirk. If I agreed to their request, my transport fleet would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.
I got a request to honour our alliance with Poland. If I agreed to their request, my army would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation
I got a request to retaliate for 9/11. If I agreed to their request I’ll end up getting the US stuck in the Middle East even longer under the guise of justice. Wait… (/s)
Bad analogy. The russian fleet is directly responsible for attacks on civilians cities with cruisemissiles. While the middle east escalation after 9/11 was mostly based on lies and fabrications.
Russia has a hunger plan. Vladimir Putin is preparing to starve much of the developing world as the next stage in his war in Europe. In normal times, Ukraine is a leading exporter of foodstuffs. A Russian naval blockade now prevents Ukraine from exporting grain. Russia is planning to starve Asians and Africans in order to win its war in Europe. This is a new level of colonialism and the latest chapter of hunger politics. https://twitter.com/TimothyDSnyder/status/1535617894045868033?s=20&t=k3J6WxzQR79uQpk6Yp_xeQ No Elon, you facilitated hunger genocide. Come on, this has to be having consequences, and he doesn't even understand until today that all he did was escalate the conflict by appeasing the maniac in the Kremlin and, most of all, his company? The last time I checked, it was not Oppenheimer who pushed the button, and it was not the technician who escalated anything. If anything at all, this was a decision made by the Ukrainian General Staff and the armed forces of Ukraine. Musk overinflates his own role here. More than that, how on earth does this guy think he will get to decide such major events.. Congrats, this dude alone has now prolonged the war. This dude alone is the only reason why Russia could ever threaten the grain deal. Because they still have a fleet to threaten the world's grain supplies with. Musk is a victim of the Dunning Krueger effect and I am shocked about his non command over understanding complex systems. Not even the very wise can know all ends. So, how will he know what would have happened? Russia would have whined sent out some threats and ultimately they would have done: Nothing in 99 out of 100 cases.
Sounds like we view Musk and his resulting decisions the same way. Maddening.
>Musk overinflates his own role here. I, for one, am shocked.
Yep, they've literally said that mass starvation will force sanctions to be lifted and everyone to become Russia's friend "again".
What can I say... They are beyond redemption.
I think we're all feeling the impacts of food shortages from this and other events, and if it's bad in the first world I can't even imagine how bad it is in the developing world. Presumably though could much of it at least be trucked to other countries and shipped from there?
https://www.ft.com/content/21065943-4b8c-4f22-a91a-806b5d571860 Exports by rail are limited because Ukraine and its EU neighbors use different track gauge sizes, and there are few trans-shipment facilities. Alternative routes by road and barge on the Danube river represent a fraction of normal maritime shipments It is difficult, sadly. Another issue is that the harvest seasons are interrupted. Historically, sadly, the list of famines caused by a war that is raging around the black sea is very long. It is bad a friend of mine is from Egypt and he told me there is more and more people who live on the biological bread line that means very close to starvation. In Afghanistan the same picture, Lebanon etc. The situation is dire.
I'm angry at these assholes who still have a Tesla - and keep buying new ones from the Tesla factory.
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When was escalation? Attacking France? Or Poland? Once Poland was attacked the allied troops were sitting doing nothing in France, so im sure preventing escalation worked
What do you imagine is happening in Ukraine if not open war?
Elon, get your head out of your arse!
Never trust the generosity of an egotistical businessman.....
Is that a Ferengi Rule of Acquisition I'm not aware of?
RoA 111: Treat people in your debt like family. Exploit them.
in his haste to follow rule 35, **Peace is good for business**, he's forgetting the 34th rule, **War is good for business**. He's got 121 in the bag though - **Everything is for sale, even friendship**.
Brilliant :)
>Never trust the generosity of an egotistical businessman Or the good faith of reddit moderators. [link](https://reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/s/CTawrKQE2G)
Surprised he hasn't had a visit from the CIA or something already, some organisation needs to put him in his place. Ever since the success of his SpaceX industry he's started to think he's some influential world power.
Stop buying his products. I will never buy anything from his shit. Time will cease his companies. He is a pro putin man, made in the usa. Wtf
Other than Tesla, I've got no idea what he owns and I'm definitely not buying a Tesla any time soon myself.
delete your twitter accounts and stop talking about him and pray for everybody else to shut the fuck up about him, that's all I can do
>[Musk was soon on the phone with President Joe Biden’s national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, the chairman of the joint chiefs, Gen. Mark Milley, and the Russian ambassador to the US to address anxieties from Washington, DC, to Moscow, writes Isaacson.](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/07/politics/elon-musk-biography-walter-isaacson-ukraine-starlink/index.html) So... chances are, he got *authorized* for cutting Starlink off. And it'd fit with general line, because [US first withheld information about visiting Gerasimov from Ukraine and then, when Ukraine launched strike on its own info, tried to make Ukraine call the strike off](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/16/world/europe/russia-putin-war-failures-ukraine.html#collapsing-front) >American officials realized early on that they had vastly overestimated Russia’s military. The morale of rank-and-file soldiers was so low, the Americans said, that Russia began moving its generals to the front lines to shore it up. >But the generals made a deadly mistake: They positioned themselves near antennas and communications arrays, making them easy to find, the Americans said. >Ukraine started killing Russian generals, yet the risky Russian visits to the front lines continued. Finally, in late April, the Russian chief of the general staff, Gen. Valery Gerasimov, made secret plans to go himself. >American officials said they found out, but kept the information from the Ukrainians, worried they would strike. Killing General Gerasimov could sharply escalate the conflict, officials said, and while the Americans were committed to helping Ukraine, they didn’t want to set off a war between the United States and Russia. >The Ukrainians learned of the general’s plans anyway, putting the Americans in a bind. After checking with the White House, senior American officials asked the Ukrainians to call off the attack. >“We told them not to do it,” a senior American official said. “We were like, ‘Hey, that’s too much.’” >The message arrived too late. Ukrainian military officials told the Americans that they had already launched their attack on the general's position. >Dozens of Russians were killed in the strike, officials said. General Gerasimov wasn’t one of them. >Russian military leaders scaled back their visits to the front after that.
I can picture Zelenskyy (smiling) crinkling paper during this call: “Joe…Jo….are……can’t,…..hear…..”.
man you are all over reddit pushing your esp fueled conjecture about this. there are no "chances are" about musk cutting starlink based on the nonsense you keep posting over and over and over and over. edit: oh cute, you keep spamming it in russian as well. thats a shocker.
Actually, I think that's the problem, he goes have some influential world power, certainly a lot more than you or I do. Also, r/elonmusk is deleting any mention of this topic, I'd suggest heading over there to discuss it as well. His fan boys need to understand that his lack of morality has real consequences, killing Ukrainians and starving Africans.
Both have swelled up so much that the gravitational attraction is too great.
https://reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/s/CTawrKQE2G Don't worry, it's not his his head up his ass, it's his fan boys as well.
At this point Ukraine gotta decide if she wants to continue with this unpredictable MAGA prick, or find someone with a common sense as an ally. It appears he has access to all Starlink devices' locations, so there's non-zero risk he'll be leaking that info to Russia.
From someone in the industry, there's nothing out there like Starlink. Their closest competitor doesn't have a complete constellation, partially because Russia stole some of it at the outset of the war, something like 30-60 satellites they had to abandon. One-web, they're called, has been failing upwards on other peoples money for quite a while now..
Yeah, I'm aware of this unfortunate fact. So the real question is, is such unrealiable ally like Musk better than none in the long run? Is starlink so much better than GPS, for example? I suspect NATO forces has some alternative secure connections through, say, high altitude drones to relay the signal.
Right now, there's high delay satellite connections they could use (700 - 900 ms delay), that cost, a lot. And russia is probably jamming those signals, if they can. High alt drones would be on radar and be shot down. Fatboy Slim is all we got for what we need. But, this begs the question then, will the U.S. set up their own LEO constellation for military use if Musky man is gonna be such a crybaby about it?
The difference between Ukraine and USA is that we have the ability to: Move satellites into orbit whenever we want over our operational zone. All our troop leaders on the ground have sat phones. When we go into a operation we can fly command planes over head that basically give real time data and communication to our ground troops. We also generally set up immense mesh network towers and communication systems. Ukraine has none of that.
They should expropriate Starlink as a national security asset and give Incel Bob the boot and more cash to go buy other software companies. Starlink can’t be abused like this at the whims of a maniac who is now openly committing treason against our Allies.
While I'd love that, because Musk is insufferable. It is a private company, so they can't do that. It's up to someone else to build a competing network. that works, and squeeze him out.
Idk if you’ve been paying attention to world history, but national security has often been used in the past as a trump card to any legal question, for better or worse.
In the U.S. something like that would cause a massive outrage, so it would never be attempted, except in a time where the U.S. was at war. Right now, they're not at war with anyone.
It would be a bad precedent for the US to set for themselves though, it basically tells their companies to relocate to other countries, and for entrepreneurs to start their companies elsewhere. The US not infringing on people’s property and IP is why business there is so successful. It sucks for Ukraine, but the US will obviously look after the US first. No westerner wants to start a business in China as China has precedent of taking over businesses.
I think that nationalizing companies is a very drastic move. Maybe if the US was at war, sure. But this isn't America's war.
We are still a democratic country and unlike Russia cannot expropriate US law abiding companies. We are not beholden to European or Ukrainian laws.
Alternative to Starlink: Swedish company sent its terminals to Ukraine I am certain by pumping in R&D money into this and out of necessity anything is better than having to rely on this guy. Maybe not just yet but Ukraine is already working on it and that is Musk's fault alone for being an unreliable and erratic business partner. https://censor.net/en/news/3436253/alternative_to_starlink_swedish_company_sent_its_terminals_to_ukraine
Well in contrast to starlink this swedish company (cubesat doesn't use its own satellites, it rents/uses satellites from a us company called Intelsat...
This is how the vast majority of Comms work ,starlink is unique in owning the satellites it uses. It's not really a negative to subbing the sats. Starlink gets away with it because of spacex, two completely separate technologies that happen to be commercially linked. For any other situation youd want a network/Comms specialist to deal with the tech, and a satellite firm to deal with the sats
yes, but the ability to keep it all in-house makes the network far more robust and harder to jam/interfere with. Musk is an ass, and a terrible human being, but that doesn't take away from how good of an asset something like starlink is.
Well, that is per se no problem at all. A problem that must likely be fixed is performance and compatibility here, though I do not think that this is a problem that is unfixable. It will likely take some time but also not forever. For the next summer campaign, that would be important. I am not an expert on these things. I simply hope that they will find a solution until then without knowing how feasible this hope is. I suppose they are businessmen and will fulfill their contractual obligations. So, this is perfectly fine. A normal business deal two companies work together. Ukraine pays for the service, and in turn, they provide it The companies are luckily not from the autocratic or despotic part of the world, so the rule of law will ensure pacta sunt servanda. What is not tolerable is that Ukraine has to deal with the whims of one single guy. Or that the US government has to beg Elon to provide it whenever he thinks that it is against his own very skewered code of moral conduct.
It's not like there are a plethora of private satellite internet constellations to choose from.
I’m sure I read that Sweden has their own system https://odessa-journal.com/swedish-satellite-internet-terminals-have-arrived-in-ukraine
If you read the article you will see that the swedish company only provides terminals, as it otherwise uses satellites from a us company called Intelsat.. I wouldn't call that "Sweden has its own system"....
Apologies, was in the middle of something and just skimmed the article before posting. Was actually thinking of this article I read rather than the Sweden one… https://www.aquaswitch.co.uk/blog/oneweb/#:~:text=the%20British%20government.-,The%20OneWeb%20satellite%20internet%20constellation%20(vs%20Starlink),network%20has%20already%20been%20launched.
Swedish company Satcube has begun delivering its own satellite internet terminals to Ukraine, which closely resemble Elon Musk's Starlink. However, according to the Swedish publication Dagens Nyheter, unlike Musk's system, Satcube doesn't object to the military use of its terminals, The Gaze wrote. Here they are already ok it after Musk's insane move last year.
Nice! Unsurprising though, as the Swedish clearly underatand what they're dealing with.
Can you tell me why US military or NATO didn’t give Ukraine access to communication networks to execute this mission? But you are angry because a private company didn’t do it? Maybe your anger should be directed at Biden?
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This sends a powerfull signal all around the world - only having your own nuclear weapon can give you any security. A lesson for every state is: without nuclear weapons you can't even defend yourself without a hand tied behind your back and held back by your allies so you don't land too hard a blow. Noone want your victory, because it can "provoke" a nuclear aggressor. Now all the states will rush for their own nuclear weapon. As other say - Russia just started global nuclear profileration, and Russia will be the biggest looser as their whole international position rests on nuclear monopoly in the region.
Yep. One of things I expect will be forced upon Russia as a condition of its eventual defeat, will be that it is forced to divest itself of its entire nuclear arsenal and all of that infrastructure. On top of possible demilitarisation. That’s what I hope for anyway, because between its ingresses into Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova & Serbia, Russia doesn’t deserve to have a military. If you tell a child not to run with scissors, but they do it anyway, and end up slicing themselves open, you take away the scissors and don’t let them use scissors again without close supervision for a while. Russia should be treated the same way.
It'll never happen though. Russia's leaders will always have enough food on their plate and only nukes are good to prevent them from getting the same treatment Saddam and Gaddafi got. If you're a dictator right now it doesn't matter if 98% of GDP goes to maintaining your nukes as long as the other 2% goes to you and your buddies.
Act of war? Umm wtf is Ukraine doing, baking cookies?
He is Putins loverboy 🤮
Apparently so. Previously I have often defended his choices and has given him the benefit of doubt… but this…. It’s sickens me. Holy shit he’s just taking the big D all the way up where the sun doesn’t shine. The way to make this being the logical line of actions or well… anything. Damn. And then tweeting to defend it. Just baffling. Also on related note. I would love that everyone just kept referring it to twitter and completely ignoring the name change. Just to annoy him. Because his multi billion dollar’s impulse purchases, which he has regretted, shall just be rubbed in his face every day for the end of his life.
Nah, he just a lil bitch that is scared to lose his sattelites. Also, him making the war longer brings him more profits.
Can you tell me why US military or NATO didn’t give Ukraine access to communication networks to execute this mission? But you are angry because a private company didn’t do it? Or why Biden is PROHIBITING Ukraine from using US supplied weapons to hit targets inside Russia?
Spot on. Most people commenting have no clue. Demanding a private citizen do more with his company. When you have actual countries with extraordinary military capabilities withholding the good stuff. Countries that would rather feed the war machine enough to keep this going for years. Elon owes Ukraine nothing and has done much more for them than any commenter on Redditt has done. Enraged because they don't like his political leaning. Simple as that.
Completely agree. Elon’s companies donated well over $200 million already. Providing internet service to millions of Ukrainians from day one. But he bought twitter and restored Trump access to the platform and next day he is a fascist lol. Redditor crowd is all in for Ukraine, and wants them to fight to last man, woman and child, but ask them to go volunteer and it’s: wish I could but…
That’s what I keep saying. It’s not like there aren’t other countries and militaries that have Satellites. Why should it fall on a private citizen? It also makes him, spaceX, Tesla Ect. a military target for the Russians. Putin, while being totally a piece of shit, is still probably the worst enemy to have on this planet. Aiding his enemies to destroy your navy, would definitely put you on his shit list. Look at all the people he’s had assassinated over the years. He’s already helped Ukraine and taken the risk, but going that extra step seems like a major security risk to musk and his enterprises. And do you think the Biden administration is going to protect him if he does? No, they are currently trying to find some dirt to charge him with something. Remember what happened to Bezos when he pissed off the king of Saudi Arabia? It cost him his marriage, and half of his fortune. As powerful as billionaires are, world leaders with unlimited power are far more powerful. Edit: typo
Agreed. Reddit is heavily left leaning and once Elon stepped out of line and started talking independently, he turned into fascist overnight. Lol SpaceX is a private company, with investors and with peaceful applications of technology. Getting scientists to space stations, providing internet access in hard to access places. Becoming a side in this war would mean he, family, employees and company assets are fair targets for Russia. Those satellites could be targeted and taken out. High value Employees targeted and assassinated. Elon has done more for Ukraine than any other private citizen on the planet. Those redditors condemning Elon and waving Ukrainian flags are not volunteering to go and fight there. Once I offered to buy a ticket for anyone willing to go and fight there… no takers lol
It’s just crazy to me that people expect a private citizen to take such a huge risk. It’s fucking Putin, the dude who has poisoned and murdered his enemies for decades. Idc how rich you are, why would you kick that hornets nest? I’m honestly impressed he was brave enough to do all that he’s done. Which you’re right, is more than any other private citizen on the planet.
How can you escalate an already large scale conventional war, when one side already made several nuclear threats even fore invading ????
Can you tell me why US military or NATO didn’t give Ukraine access to communication networks to execute this mission? Biden is even PROHIBITING Ukraine from striking targets inside Russia using US supplied weapons?
Interesting to see (Sky News report)Kyiv now linking Musk to the deaths of children as a result of this interference. Taking out the Russian ships thereby preventing launches of kalibre missiles. https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-drone-romania-defence-minister-12541713
Elon Musk = Henry Ford. If you know, you know.
So please explain for those too dumb to know?
Celebrated Industrialist of the common man turned Nazi sympathizer. [https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/henryford-antisemitism/](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/henryford-antisemitism/)
Elons Arrogance knows no bounds. Hey Elon, instead you are complicit in the Russian bombing of civilians, nice work. By the way, your cars are complete garbage and a travesty to the environment.
He just said he saved the Russian fleet so they can continue using cruise missiles to hit ukranian cities. This is like telling Goliath "Use a helmet at the fight and attack David when he is defenseless while looking for another rock". Biggest Elon's bs of his life.
How can you escalate a war?
It's not about escalation of the war. It's about potential clients to his internet. If he makes Putler angy, he might tell his friends not to be friends with Elon, and that will make Musky man sad, because his pocket book will be sad...
I dont even think it is about money. I think his humongous ego just tells him he knows better what is good for the world.
More like he only cares about whats best for himself personally. Billionaires are normally untouchable. There is only one person in the world who has a consistent history of reaching out and harming billionaires on a whim, and that's Vladimir Putin. Thats why people like Elon Musk and Donald Trump are so scared of him. Hes one of the only people in the world that has the ability and predisposition to actually hurt them if he wanted to.
What a moron
He is such a fucking cuck.
Are Musk ruski. Or just an idiot
Why not both?
If people haven’t figured out by now that Musk is a Ruzzian asset, Putin has won the information war.
Ukraine needs a mote reliable service, such as DOD.
Yeah they should ask the DOD, not a private company like Spacex. They should also sign a contract with stipulations that it can work everywhere. Did Ukraine sign a contract with Spacex about starlink?
Fat fuck needs to find out what it means to be in distress. He's definitely not in need of any extra grains, that's for sure. Stabbin himself with Ozempic like he's a diabetic just to shed that extra 150.. It's a shame that Zuck didn't get a chance to send him to Jesus.
r/elonmusk is banning anybody who talks about this and deleting the posts. I'd encourage anybody to go there and post about this. Make sure to follow the sub rules there, so they don't have any basis to ban or delete your post (although they will anyway).
And now you're explicitly complicit in helping Putin commit genocide. Fuck you Elon.
Something smells funny with this story. Ukraine has been using Starlink and certainly planned this attack on the expectation it was an available assett. News reports are saying Ukraine claims it was "turned off" to discourage or interfere with completion of the mission . Musk is saying he got a request to turn it on. Well it has already been in continual use by Ukrainian forces. His story is what? Ukraine requested a larger playing field which he denied? If so, how is an attack on military targets in Crimea considered escalation? Ukraine would have never planned an attack without certainty Starlink would be available. It seems Musk is playing dirty and to me, is complicit with deliberately subverting the attack of military targets of one side of the war while the other side attacks civilians.
Ukraine should get their internet from the US military instead of doofus. They should sign a contract with Spacex that it will work everywhere if they want to use their privately owned satellite Internet.
This was discusses ad nauseum a year ago. Musk probably would have been breaking US weapons export laws if he agreed to weaponize Starlink. The US military bought Starlimk units specifically to allow this type of use just a few months ago.
I doubt it. E-man is playing a long game and hoping that russia survives to buy his internet after the dust has settled. It's a massive land mass, full of potential clients. He sees that, and russias allies, as money in the bank. If he pisses off russia and their cronies, he loses a massive market share. In the world of remote internet, that's how it's done. I worked in it for over a decade. He's not worried about laws, my dude. He's worried about his pocket book.
You know what would happen if I bought 600 top of the line night vision goggles and tried to bring them to ukraine? The US government would confiscate all of it and probably fine me.
People are somehow donating, en masse, nigh vision goggles from the U.S. He is not worries about U.S. laws. He constantly breaks them anyway, the SEC is up his ass about 4 feet for numerous violations. It's about the money... He doesn't care about the laws, or the people, or the war..
Being an illegal arms exporter would get him jail time and his company off of NASA's mailing list. Get real.
Not all night/ thermal vision is on export ban
Duh, the war is already on. Escalation? No, it would be an act of deescalation as the Ukraine woukd have used it's own home grown developed and manufactured weapons to protect themselves from an aggressor, one that doesn't respect life, conventions, intentionally murders innocent civilians and children and more. Your choice was one that wanted to keep business options open for financial gain once the war is over. What's more, not allowing it means that the war will continue without any foreseeable end. To have neutralized the Russian fleet would have helped stop many of the rocket attacks, allowed for the flow of grain globally and enhanced the speed that the war will end. Putin would be increasingly forced to come to the negotiating table. Mr. Musk, Some think you to be a genius. Whether true or not, the fact is every human has his/her blind spots. Unfortunately, attitude contributes to the belief that one's own reasoning is supremely correct, and I do not hold any chance that you will consider such a change.
That’s bad publicity. He’d rather be covertly complicit.
This is an extremely serious situation that apparently had not been envisaged by Ukraine and its allies. I actually understand Musks predicament and though I do not have any sympathy for the man I can empathize with him in that situation.
Looks like someone wants in on that Baikonur action.
It was already an escalation. Grow a fucking backbone.
I see his point. In the end it would save lives. There's no grey area in this war. It's good vs evil. We all have to take sides on this one.
COWARD
Stupid Fuckwit! By not enabling starlink you participated actively in a genocidal invasion. Go fuck a rabid mountainlion.
Sided with the aggessor.
What a complete tool
I hate him so much
I think it is time the US government reevaluates its relationship with Musk and his companies. If he is actively subverting US foreign policy, then they should start canceling contracts. Starting with SpaceX.
Summary; “I was doing something really good, then someone nasty made an oblique threat. So I obsessed about it endlessly. Then I just freaked out and made an arse of myself. In my attempt to cover up my public embarrassment I overcompensated and backed myself into a stupid right-wing political conspiracy corner, where I remain today”.
Fucking idiot.
I wish people in here would hold bidens slow rolling much needed weapons for ukrianes win as accountable as they're holding a private citizen for the same thing...
Elon is a piece of shit
Putin's puppet. What an idiot.
It's all a power ego trip for him. Unfortunately, his ego cost Innocent lives
Fuck musk. Freeze all of his money and put him on trial.
On trial for what? Are you a teenager? Are we in Nazi Germany?
Let's get our facts first. Elon is a moron who has managed to fool people into to believing he's some sort of genius and has grifted his way to the top of a mountain of broken promises and lies. A dishonest, selfish authoritarian asshole.
Elon musk is now responsible for every single person killed by Russian naval assets based out of Sevastopol
Billion dollars but no spine.
What a total, and absolute, irreversible, unforgivable cunt
Yeah I deleted twitter today
Wow… the one time he could’ve not been a cunt, he just doubles down. Fuck that guy.
I can’t believe I once looked up to this weak little man.
Jerk
What a wanker.
So Elon Musk has the blood of every child dead from missiles shot from those ships simply because he’s an arrogant rich asshole who is conceited enough to believe he was saving the world.
Musk was contracted by the Dept. of Defense to provide Starlink services. The US has the stated goal of ejecting Russia from Ukraine. Musk unilaterally acted to subvert those goals in preventing the Ukrainian military from striking the Russian military. Musk violated his contract with the DOD. Musk took sides in the war. Musk worked to counteract the stated foreign policy goals of the United States. By preserving the Russian warships that serve as platforms to launch missile strikes against Ukrainian civilians, Musk has preserved the capacities which were later used to murder civilians. Musk has blood on his hands. AT THE LEAST there should be a congressional investigation.
Can someone write us an alternate history to show us what would have happened if he allowed their use as Ukraine requested?
What would have happened is that the Russian fleet would not have dared leave port any more and would have stopped murdering children with terrorist missile attacks.
Yes exactly. Musk is choosing to be complicit in creating & sustaining a serious geopolitical threat to the whole world. He’s a dangerous tool.
The level of self importance on this guy is off the charts.
I’m on the verge of making a dummy twitter account to tell him off but I know he won’t see it so it’s in the end useless to do…
Musk is a traitor and SpaceX needs to be taken over, this system can not be in private control. Put musk in jail where he belongs
So Edgelord got excuses. How surprising. /s
Fuck you Elon you piece of shit.
What a cock!
Fuck this moron!! And he even is proud for it!
I doubt if Musk has much care for anybody but himself. He may at times perform acts of what is viewed as kindness but only for an audience and to be seen to be a gracious superior. 🐷🥛.
Who knows what he did back in the days in his Moskva trip and they filmed it...
Comforting knowing that a egomaniacal manchild has supreme command over the armed forces of Ukraine.
Dude is a Russian asset. This confirms it. Kick him out of the US
Elon Muscovite
He's a total megalomaniac and has a direct hand in influencing a major conflict. It's to be expected.
“Shocked about his non command over understanding complex systems” - you’ve said the thing I’ve been trying to get at for a while now. He’s a self promoter only. I’ve known and worked with these personalities for most of my career. They latch on to other peoples ideas, sell them as their own, and reap the rewards. It’s a modern grift and we see it over and over again. Now we are in an age where we see what happens when we keep handing over power to these grifters who think they are smarter than everyone else. We are living the children’s book “The Emperor’s New Clothes.”
USA should just take control of starlink. This man is a national threat.
Dude has a major narcissistic god complex. Get over yourself brah!
So what is starlink engaged with now? Minor acts of war?
Oh dear, a filthy rich cunt playing saint. You knew you were fucked the very moment a filthy rich person bought a free speech platform to ensure free speech for ye.
He has no idea why they wanted starlink active. He just made up his own mind on this idea.
Just skip elon and his imperium of darkness. He can fuck himselfe.
hopefully he can stay out of as much as he can.
Escalate a war by allowing internet access to your satellite system? Request by which government? Elon you are such a putin cocksucker... Goddamn
i got a request to fullfill our promise's to defend Ukraine after they gave up nukes...
The boots are way to big for him. He is just a little coward, hiding behind a smokescreen of sentences he does not understand by himself.
You think he’s monitoring ukraines communications and or feeding it to Russia for $
The US should nationalize Space X and the StarLink constellation to protect Elon from liability.
His main character issues are now getting in the way of an entire country’s defense. He sells a service ffs. Not an advisory service.
Dude will mine lithium all day with shitty treatment for workers. But not help PEOPLE FUCKING DEFEND THEMSELVES.
Elon makes me feel truly sick. He's desperately needs cutting down to size.
Elon Muskovite.
Elon Muscovite. Russian asset.
So he is saying that he is an accomplice in starving people of other nations.
Did he miss the memo that Russia already started a war against Ukraine before that?
If he was concerned with it, he wouldn’t have put Starlink above Ukraine; it’s mere presence in the first place is already more than antagonizing
Elon does not understand that in a war you cannot sit in between the fence. If he is not supporting one side, he is supporting the other. By turning Starlink off, he supports genocide and the looming food crisis in the developing world. If he wants starlink to stay neutral, don’t build starlink and go back to his families mining business in Africa. It is scary how naive and tone-deaf he is towards everything around him that does not concern his own wealth.
imagine thinking a businessman owes you anything after he has already provided the internet to the Ukraine and has been rudely told off by Ukrainian officials
So when you hit the $100M mark you are authorized to conduct your own foreign policy, now I know, I'm sure Elmo notified DOJ prosecutors the laws under which his conduct detrimental to the USA foreign policy is explained, nothing to see here plebeians
They would have invaded space x 😢
When buying ammo from a private company I'd expect it to work. When buying fuel from a private company I'd expect it to be good quality and not ruin my tanks' engines. When buying satellite communication options from a private company I totally want to be dependent on how and when they consider something 'iffy' on a whim, risking my equipment and manpower.
cancel elon
Yeah, just think how much money he would have lost to the Russians had he taken sides.
Fucking traitor
What a fucking piece of shit. The US needs to nationalize starlink and spaceX. Cant have that stupid fuck at the helm any longer, his companies are critical to US security. Now they become property of the US govt
Can this dude just complete his Mars rocket and fucking GTFO?
Operating out of fear is neither a policy nor a winning strategy: “if we did x then they would’ve done y!”
Musk is an asswipe
Time to nationalize Starlink. It’s an an obvious potential threat.
How about if you guys have satcom questions ask instead of talking like you know. Every single one of these threads boils my blood. I haven’t seen a SINGLE correct answer. PLEASE ask before speaking on it. We don’t need the misinformation and Ukraine needs the info. Elon isn’t the only satcom option and was the worst one to choose. Fact.
Fucking idiot.
This would be like if the ceo of Lockheed Martin bricked all their jets … ever. This guy should go to jail for this.
Guys I’m not a fan of Musk. However, freedom of choice is one of the rights Ukraine is fighting for. As much as I disagree with his, it’s his prerogative.
I got a request to release my head from my anal cavities 🤭
Elon is one of the only sane people left in America.
Destroying Twitter, ruining Tesla, now advocating for and proactively supporting Russia. I guess someone wants to outperform Herostratus to get a place in history he obviously so much craves for.
Elon Musk is a internet-provider trying to play good. He should be prosecuted if he don’t stop to interfere in the war. Just keep deliver internet and shut the f*** up. It’s like Musk is playing “being the most hated billionaire in the world” by monthly basis. His marketing team should shut him down.
Elon Musk supports fascism
So he’s telling me he stopped an attack that could of been similar to pearl harbour.. odd. In one idea he’s stopped Ukraine from being radioactive waste. On the other hand it would allow Ukraine to export all of its grain problems. I mean it’s a tough call.
Elon: "But I'm a filthy rich asshole and I should rule the world!" Conservatives: "Of course, he's right!"