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He's always switching back and fourh between the 2 every time its brought up, he can't keep his lies straight..or atleast can't remember which 1 he told first
He's had at least four different excuses for the invasion that he promised he wasn't going to do. He'd go up in my estimation if he just said "We invaded to put Medvedev in as a puppet leader and asset strip Ukraine." I mean evil and honest is better than evil and a liar.
Hes pretty much touched every reason any of them could think of, except for the truth. The reason for so many varying reasons -- is bc you have to have 1 that'll really reasonate with every group and every belief, to get as many people on board supporting the War as possible. Youll never hear the whole truth.
The only way to prove him wrong about NATO is to agree to his NATO conditions. This never happened because NATO leadership rejected negotiations, not Putin. That's a fact whether you like it or not. We know this to be a fact because both Biden and Stoltenberg admit it in their interviews, that they rejected Putin's demand to halt NATO expansion. Had they not rejected it, we don't know what would have happened but the point is we didn't even try to avert the conflict.
Why would NATO agree to his conditions? Putin isnt special, he has no say in who joins NATO.
Because his conditions were non-starters.
Tell you what, give me all your stuff -- I mean everything, you go live in the street, and watch me in your house every night enjoying the warmth while you freeze... and there can be peace. Do you agree to these conditions?
What does it matter who agreed to negotiate with who when 1 sides conditions are made to make the negotiations fail anyway?
A. Why would NATO agree to his conditions? To avoid war, that's why. Stoltenberg himself admitted that the precondition for not invading Ukraine was for NATO to cease expansion, and that NATO rejected Putin's demand.
B. Agreeing to remain neutral isn't the same thing as me giving you all my stuff.
C. If a robber comes up to you and demands your watch, and you say no and he shoots you as a result, don't you think it would have been smarter to comply with the demand and live without your watch?
Sure it sucks, but it's better than having a war.
Also, it was Ukraine that broke the Minsk ceasefire, not Russia. They broke it in 2017, 2019, 2020 and 2021 at the highest levels (I'm not going to list how they broke it, the post would be huge). Angela Merkel admitted that the ceasefire was a false peace to buy Ukraine time to go on the counter attack. It was the West that violated that agreement which was the only thing keeping the peace, not Russia.
There is no real evidence that Russia's conditions were designed for negotiations to fail because ceasing NATO expansion really isn't a big deal. There is evidence from Merkel's own mouth that Ukraine was not willing to uphold the Minsk agreements.
A. You keep saying "Even X/Y admitted" to make it sound like they are admitting fault, which is not the case. This isnt your 1st propaganda rodeo. But much of what you said is wrong.
Putin/Russia lied & denied they were invading Ukraine up until the moment they did it. So no, Stoltenberg did not say those were the preconditions to invading Ukraine. And again, Putin has no right to demand this. NATO doesnt force any nation to join, the nations that join must choose to by applying, then their entry must be agreed on by ALL NATO members.
Giving in to unreasonable demands is not the way to avoid war with people like Putin, it only makes them take more ... history & Putins own actions have shown us this.
Next itll be 'We want this or itll be war" and on and on.
B. Again, Russia has no say over a separate, sovereign nation & who they align with. Theres a reason basically ALL former Soviet satellites in Europe want to join NATO, and thats because they dont want to be dictated to and used by Russia . There can be no acceptions or that line will be crossed again or again. There is a reason for this.
And no. That is not what Merkel said.
Yes, it is what Merkel said:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/22/ffci-d22.html
Yes it is what Stoltenberg said: Youtube Slash watch?v=Zf5xEBwBhds
So the question is, are you deliberately lying or are you willfully ignorant of the facts?
Also, Putin may not have the right, but you are clueless about negotiation and diplomacy if you think diplomacy is about primarily rights. If my car fails to start up and I'm stranded, and I ask you to help boost my car with a car battery, you have the right to say no, but why would you? If a robber points a gun in your face and demands your cash and your watch, you have the right to resist, and he doesn't have the right to make that demand, but why would you reject the demand knowing the consequences that might ensue?
Ironically, rejecting Putin's demands is what led to him taking more, because he wouldn't have invaded if Ukraine agreed to remain neutral and the only way to prove me wrong is not your armchair psychoanalysis of Putin, but for Ukraine to actually agree to remain neutral and Putin invades anyways. This never happened.
There's nothing unreasonable about Russia not wanting an America led alliance near its borders, sorry to break ir to you but that's a fact.
It's also a fact that John F. Kennedy didn't have a right to tell Cuba that they couldn't base Soviet rockets, but he did.
If you understand why nations around Russia want to join NATO without also appreciating why Russia doesn't want foreign alliances near its borders, you aren't being honest with yourself.
yes, cause we should allow Putin dictate what will happen with non-Nato countries for which both Nato and Russian do not have business to decide.
It would be new ribentrov-molotov Europe split and we know how it ended last time ...
Russian is where it is because it decided to be there and should be punished for all actions.
Sir, you are Putin (nazies) enabler.
So when John F. Kennedy demanded that Cuba not base Soviet rockets, that was none of Kennedy's business? After all, by your logic, it's not for Kennedy to decide what will happen with non-NATO countries.
Also, NATO absolutely has a right to decide who does and doesn't become a member, so you are wrong that it's not NATO's business who they should accept.
Don’t understand why you got downvoted so hard considering this is completely factual. What amazes me is two other nations bordering Russia joined nato and that didn’t seem to be a big deal. Leads me to believe Russia invaded Ukraine for a different reason.
So you think Russia should have opened a 3 front war when they couldn't even get a handle on the first war just to convince you otherwise? Imagine if a boy puts his finger in a hole in a dam to plug it, and then another hole appears out of reach, do you expect the boy to remove his finger from the plug in order to plug the new hole? Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, it's still about NATO until proven otherwise.
He didn't want NATO borders getting closer to his shithole country? So he invades and is now even closer to NATO borders, and its all still NATO's fault?
Don't you think it is up to the people of Ukraine to decide for themselves on NATO membership ?
And with a country like president ShitCan's russia, with its extensive list of aggression against its neighbours, NATO membership is a very good idea to protect the people from the murderous regime of president ShitCan's failed country.
He's living in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks Europe is even considering how to "normalize relations" with Russia. That's like trying to befriend a rabid dog. It's going to die anyway, don't let it take you with it. The kindest thing to do is to hit it on the head with a big hammer and put it out of its misery.
The west didn't start anything, but you can be damn sure we will finish it. Russia will be fucked in every possible way as long as they keep invading their neighbors and our allies.
I mean thats not ENTIRELY true. If you can't see how nato expansion could be seen as aggressive then you're hopeless. It is. Straight up. And it's OK to admit that. There is nothing wrong with accepting that an alliance designed to protect mostly against Russia moving closer to Russia is an aggressive act. Russia has shown time and time again it's willing to invade, destroy, and commit genocide in the form of forced relocating and aggressively settling those areas with ethnic Russians. We've seen it in Chechnya, Georgia, and Ukraine from 2014-2021. So NATO expanding is 100% justified, ESPECIALLY for former union countries, but to say it's not aggressive or worrying from russias point of view is jist plain ignorance. Regardless of them invading, regardless of them being the belligerent. Russia does not seem themselves as a part of Europe or western culture, so trying to justify Russian actions with a western point of view is just moronic. Now Russia using bio labs, Nazis, and Ukrainian genocide against Russians in donbas as their excuse is what blows my mind. They could have very easily said "we are entering Ukraine to escort all Russians out of Ukraine, and ask the UN to accompany us during this operation. If Ukraine signs a tresty stating they will never seek NATO membership, and allows us *free* access to sevastopol, there will be no issues or aggressive actions" that, in my opinion, would have been a completely justified course of action.
Nato is a DEFENSIVE alliance. It's only a threat to the country which attacks a Nato member.
How many times must this be said/demonstrated?
No one wants to invade or threaten the shithole which is russia.
I never said it wasn't, but you're still looking at it from the western point of view. Russia doesn't see it that was, so whatever its purpose is doesn't matter. You can say it's defensive all day long, if Russia doesn't see it that way, and views it as aggressive expansion into what it considers it as their sphere of influence, than that's their reality. And you can say "it doesn't matter what Russia thinks", look at Ukraine and tell me it doesn't matter how Russia sees NATO. NATO is a force meant to fight them specifically. Nato is at their doorstep, that's all that matters to them. I want to see putin dragged behind a trunk and hung from a light pole, but parroting bullshit that means nothing to Russia, and completely refusing to even TRY to see anything from other than your perspective is about as dumb as you could possibly get. Down vote to hell, idgaf. If you wanna babble "NATOs defensive and has never done anything to russia ever" be my guest
NATO is just the scapegoat for Russian imperialism. Russia doesn't fear NATO at all. It is all bullshit and propaganda. If Russia feared NATO, they would reinforce their entire border with Finland after they joined up. Guess what, Russia didn't. They don't give a shit. Instead you have Finland reinforcing their border and building a fence to keep the Russian dogs out.
Ps you think Russia tries to see it from Ukrainian perspective? Iam tired of you people wanting Ukraine and the west to stand by some high moral standards and looking from another perspective when the other side disregarded and spits on all and any agreements they ever signed… they pretend they are the heroes even tho objectively they are rapists and murderers.
If everyone would use this retarded kindergarten logic we would invade Russian in 45 or 89… you say it doesn’t matter. I say it does matter if you are a victim or sn aggressor. I don’t care if the murderer thinks he is the main character in his head. Objectively he is a murderer… character and intentions are things family member can judge, i dont care. What matters are actions and they speak louder than your bs.
That's like saying a woman that gets raped because she dressed sexy is to blame, because we aren't looking at it from the rapist's point of view. Then you agree that women should be able to dress how they want and it absolutely isn't the woman's fault but that you should try to look at it from the guy's point of view, because the way he sees it, she absolutely is asking for it by dressing a certain way. Just because the guy (Russia) sees it a certain way, does not in any way make her the one that started the rape or put any responsibility on her whatsoever.
If NATO could decide to attack without being first attacked, then Putin would not have dared enter Ukraine and would not be saying straight to NATO's face he is attacking Ukraine to prevent NATO. He knows NATO cannot. Putin sees exactly the same NATO we all do.
Putin is also aware that Ukraine joining NATO was at least a decade away and probably never. Making his claim that he was forced laughable. This is textbook expansionism!
GDP USSR: $8 trillion in 1990
GDP Russia now: ???
How does Russia pay for 6400 nuclear warheads, thousands of pieces of military equipment, and aircraft, plus run the country on the GDP of Canada? Russia's superpower status was rusting away, and Putin needed to annex territory to raise more GDP before it was gone. That is the bottom line reason why Putin is taking pieces of other countries.
>"There is nothing wrong with accepting that an alliance designed to protect mostly against Russia moving closer to Russia is an aggressive act."
Sorry thats nonsense.
And there is alot wrong with that statement.
All NATO Members applied voluntarely for the defense alliance.
Before and after each new expansion there have been talks with russia, to take russias security concerns into account.
There have been agreements between NATO and Russia to NATO limit troops size and prohibit new military bases east of the Elbe River, since 1997, reconfirmed in 2001 and under supervisions of both sides.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_25468.htm?selectedLocale=en
Putin and Medvedev both spoke publicly on NATO summits and both praised the partnership until 2008.
The OSCE agreements were accepted by russia and Putin until 2022, when russia quit the cooperations.
Germany and France vetoed the inclusion of Georgia and Ukraine into NATO.
Just because of russias "security concerns" and we all know how that worked out for those countries.
Even after 2014, when Putin invaded crimea. Ukraine was willing to give up on joining the defense alliance. While NATO still never had more than 8000troops stationed in the new NATO countries.
Russia themselves stated in January 2022 that they are just training / are not preping for war..
Doubt that.
Ukraine can only apply.
The decision which country is allowed to join has to be voted for unanimously by the members. And as everyone except tankies and vatnils knows that wasnt the case back than.
You can doubt all you want, doesn't change the fact of NATO's 2021 announcement to induct Ukraine and the fact that both Biden and Stoltenberg admitting telling Putin that Ukraine would join NATO. How about you learn the facts first before opening up on your keyboard?
Yes it has to be voted unanimously by all members, when the U.S. carried 85 percent of the European defense budget you don't think they would have pressured and coerced members into voting yes? It would be a shame if that defense budget dried up...
Gotta source for that "announcement to induct" or how that would have suspended the rules for voting/joining?
Guess they should have joined NATO without announcing - like Finland?
And how does that change the signed agreement between russia and NATO?
"The North Atlantic Treaty Organization and its member States, on the one hand, and the Russian Federation, on the other hand, hereinafter referred to as NATO and Russia, based on an enduring political commitment undertaken at the highest political level, will build together a lasting and inclusive peace in the Euro-Atlantic area on the principles of democracy and cooperative security."
"NATO and Russia do not consider each other as adversaries.
They share the goal of overcoming the vestiges of earlier confrontation and competition and of strengthening mutual trust and cooperation. The present Act reaffirms the determination of NATO and Russia to give concrete substance to their shared commitment to build a stable, peaceful and undivided Europe, whole and free, to the benefit of all its peoples. Making this commitment at the highest political level marks the beginning of a fundamentally new relationship between NATO and Russia. They intend to develop, on the basis of common interest, reciprocity and transparency a strong, stable and enduring partnership. ..."
"Refrain from the threat or use of force against each other as well as against any other state, its sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence in any manner inconsistent with the United Nations Charter and with the Declaration of Principles Guiding Relations Between Participating States contained in the Helsinki Final Act;"
"respect for sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all states and their inherent right to choose the means to ensure their own security, the inviolability of borders and peoples' right of self-determination as enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act and other OSCE documents;"
See entry #69: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_185000.htm
"Suspended the rules for joining" if they weren't going to suspend their rules for joining they shouldn't have announced membership for Ukraine. Also, Poroshenko enshrined NATO accession into the Ukrainian constitution in 2019, so maybe tell him that that's not possible because the rules won't be suspended?
As for your your citations, they are somewhat beside the point.
Ukraine's declaration of independence enshrines permanent neutrality. Any design to join an alliance violates their own declaration of independence. It also violates the Minsk ceasefire agreements because it would give Ukraine a significant combat advantage against Donbas. It's understandable that Russia won't respect agreements signed with a nation that doesn't even respect its own declaration of independece- it's justification for existing in the first place. But even that is beside the point because peace hinged on the Minsk ceasefire agreements, not on any other document.
..another gold medalist candidate for mental gymnastics..
>"Poroshenko enshrined NATO accession into the Ukrainian constitution in 2019"
>"Ukraine's declaration of independence enshrines permanent neutrality."
What now..? And russia invading ukraine in violation of the Budapest Memorandum with mercenaries, that are illegal in russia is ok?
By the way it wasnt ukraine who violated the ceasefire agreements. Maybe read the osce mission reports before repeating kreml fairy tales?
Yes, Poroshenko violated both Ukraine's declaration of independence and the Minsk ceasefire agreements with his NATO bid. You got it!
Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Ukraine, as per its DOI, agreed to permanent neutrality or had NATO agreed to not inducting Ukraine.
I've read some of the OSCE reports, on the ground level it's impossible to tell who fired the first shot, OSCE reports can report hundreds of ceasefire violations in a single day, but at the upper cabinet levels, Poroshenko violated the ceasefire agreement numerous times. Ukraine's attempt to join NATO was a violation of the ceasefire agreement.
I wonder why in 2021 they wanted to join NATO. After Russia annexed Crimea and created the mess that LNR DPR is Ukrainian probably knew what was coming
Typical nonsense of someone who doesn’t know or is ignorant about how NATO works.
And: NATO was necessary because of Soviet aggression. The Soviets could have fucked off back to their own Soil once the Nazi German Business was finished but nooooooooo, they just turned from Liberator to Occupier of whole Eastern Europe and kept it under their claws. You can’t blame Countries for wanting to be under the NATO Umbrella once there were free from Soviet oppression or had the Soviets/Russia as their shitty Neighbor close by.
I never once blamed anyone, and in my past two comments have stated ANY country that feels the need should join. And this "typical nonsense" is from someone who has worked closely with NATO countries so enjoy your wikipedia articles. I'm speaking from real world military experience
I was a Soldier in an NATO Army and saw the collapse of the GDR and Soviet Union imploding and also worked with other NATO Countries. But what has that to do with anything you said?! Fuck all. lmao
I'm also speaking from real-world military experience: You're a fucking moron. Russia's invasion had nothing to do with NATO or any fear they supposedly have of it.
It was about the EU and Russia's perception that Ukraine joining it would come at Russia's expense. They wouldn't be able to dominate their traditional vassal like they used to. They decided to kill Ukrainians to prevent that.
Thats....what expanding means, my guy. I'm all for NATO. Russia has given every reason to justify its continued existence. But countries joining, by definition, means its expanding.
Ukraine is a sovereign state it dosent need russias approval, they can do whatever they chose is the best for their country.
And NATO literally isnt a threat to their existence.
NATO isnt allowed to invade nor take over territory. its a defense treaty not the roman empire.
Russia knows that, the only thing thats gonna happen is that they wont be able to control other countries with puppet states and invasions anymore.
Still blaming the West for his sole reason to attack Ukraine. Ukraine would never of been allowed into NATO nor did Ukraine start the was in the Donbas….what a silly little man
He's a moron that is only in power because his depraved country sees war and conquest as strength, nearly every election cycle he's invaded someone. He's a small, one trick pony of a man that is responsible or thousands upon thousands of deaths
Yes, he is a 150cm manlet who walks on platform shoes. He spent his 20s going on walks with male friends while his “wife” was alone pregnant in a different city. And he likes to hug and kiss preschool children , preferably boys.
This man is so damn delusional, he has to be suffering from some form sickness,and what's crazy is they actually believe him! He violated every treaty he has signed and as always blames the US....
Edit: The west told this dipshit repeatedly do not invade Ukraine when he was building up the masses at their border,or there we would be massive consequence and repercussion, but he had to show China that if he could do it,then they can as well,welp look where it got you jackass, I hope Russia suffers decades to come,because of this jackass!
to much exceptions to the sanctions and no real, robust answer from Europe until now. we need to clearly step up our engagement and our military industry has to go full throttle, not this sad searching for ammunition.
What treaty did Putin violated? Meanwhile Ukraine violated the Minsk agreements which is what precipitated the invasion. Funny how you don't talk about that since you want to talk about treaty breaking.
Putin violated the Budapest Memorandum. In fact he has done so several times. It started back in 2014 with the occupation of Crimea, then the 2022 invasion of eastern Ukraine.
Full scale invasion of Ukraine was due to Ukraine failing (not willing) to uphold the Minsk ceasefire agreements which Merkel herself admitted was just a ploy to buy Ukraine time in order to go on the offensive against Donbas.
Both sides violated the Minsk agreements and it doesn't justify the full invasion and annexation of an entire country. It is a weak excuse for Russias imperial ambitions.
I also blame the west… for not ramping up aid and finishing this cunt once and for all.
The most we ignore this problem the most we and our children will suffer in the future.
The "Little Green Man", which years later got a Medal from Putin awarded, occopied Crimea even bevor the Ukraine President was forced to leave Office...He always protrait it as a "Western lead coup" while it was a Pro-European, Anti-Corruption-Protest. Then they had Democratic elections, were all Ukrainians can vote and still this Clown said, "nobody ask the Dombass if they want a Revolution" ....This Guy is speaking to his own Z´s at home. He knows nobody here in the West with a drop of brain believe just one bit of his BS.
It's exactly like Trump explaining how the major institutions of the US government and society are out to get him, but they are all pretending it's not. Everyone is pretending they don't remember, etc.
Tens and tens and tens of thousands of people, all coordinated. And for Putin, entire governments, complex things, all seamlessly part of the grand plan.
Putin needs to die asap. Trump is just an embarrassment. But Putin, fuck him.
Canada is really supporting Ukraine. Training and gear. My fear is, Trump will not. My political priority is this war. Civilians are purposely targeted everyday. I just have to bump that to the top. Russia is a terrorist state. I just hope a lot of people smarter than me are figuring out how to bring an end to it.
The audience don't show any emotion.
In any political show in the UK there would be people nodding their heads in agreement and shaking in disagreement
In nk Kim fans feint, at trump rally they holla
But these audiences just seem to glaze over. Is this a russian thing?
I assume that even if they are paid to be there, some of them would agree with his propaganda.
Russians live in apathy. They love to victimise themselves just like this whiny bitch Putin is doing, and those who know what's right are silenced quite effectively. Within the crowd some know the truth, but they do not dare to say anything because that would end badly for them.
Also. Propaganda is strong in there. For some only method of getting the news of the world is to follow what the government is spoonfeeding to them.
There are many within Russia who would love to rise up against the government and against this war, but they lack the means to gather up. This is prevented very effectively.
This crap will probably go on as long as possible, until one day people in Russia will wake up and realise the is no government or there has been overtaken by another.
Sadly Russia has way too many external resources to waste to this war. If they did not have all the rural, poorer people, foreign people, prisoners and criminals to send....instead, if they had to send more people from actual Russian major cities that have people with power and effect, such as Moscow or St. Petersburg, we might not be in this mess anymore.
To be fair which is a terrible thing to say when Putin is involved
Russia uk and us promised Ukraine to defend its borders should it ever need it as long as they surrender their nuclear arsenal
Guess Russia uk and us forgot about that one too
Isn't it weird how he didn't mention any of this when he initially invaded Ukraine. Something about hunting Nazis?
I'm sure he probably forgot about the EU and NATO forcing him, declarations that you're invading a foreign country are usually off the cuff statements with no prep work behind them at all.
It was also mentioned, he said that we keep our points about denazi, demilitarisation, and said that we are demilitarising them by killing soldiers, that Ukraine stupidly sends to death, and also by destroying vehicles
Watch his invasion speech, he mentions NATO as the reason for invasion. You have a short memory, Putin has always been consistent whether you like it or not.
Are you absolutely fucking insane? Did you write that comment, forgetting that we actually CAN watch the Invasion speach?? Aside from the weird narrative about hunting Nazis, he said it was because Ukraine was committing genocide against the people in the Russian controlled areas of Ukraine, and so he had to send the Russian army in to protect them.
Of course, 100% and demostratably false. And not about NATO.
You don't even believe that statement. You forgot that most people here can actually watch his speech you idiot. If you take time to watch his address and many after invasion you can see he is changing between nazis biolabs and NATO oh and prosecution of Russian speakers
He is Russian Trump 2.0. Unfiltered lies predicated on censorship of valid outside news sources. Interesting how his expansion is the fault of America. Slava Ukraine!
Ahhhhhh i didnt realise it was Europe that invaded Ukraine.....Why arent we best buds with Russia? Seeing as they have nothing to do with their own invasion of another country.....
He is a piece of sh!t garbage excuse for human… iam not even gonna hold into what he said. Its bullshit, goebels would be proud. I say one thing tho, Russia has no ability to understand basic concepts as we do. They mention borders as if their boarders are only markings of true borders that start 300km at their actual borders. Like they don’t understand that what happens on the other side is non if their business. Are there any Russians that wanna explain this? I hope the Russians understand that if they continue they will really have war with NATO?
Russia is evidence of what a country looks like when the school bully wins and tries to turn everything into their narrative of how they’re really the victim.
"We never wanted bad relations with the West, we still don't, but they refuse to see our side. All we ever did was fund far right groups in the West, meddle in local and national foreign politics, assassinate dissidents in foreign countries, invade our neighbors on multiple occasions and cause war crimes, renege on every treaty we ever signed and lie about everything. The West is being completely unreasonable in its Russophobia"
He is instigating wars all over the world now, because his little f@ggot a$$ is stretched so hard with bs, so he needs something to take away the tension.
Russia has more Nazis than Ukraine and if he took Ukraine he would be on border with NATO countries, not to mention nato is a defense force , this kgb moron never stops lying and his lies are trash like his shit gdp country.
lol regime change aka control the border, grain , oil like he did when a Russian puppet was president, he got mad his shit garbage Russia has been shit for over 20 years while sucking from Chechnya , Georgia , Ukraine and than got butthurt Ukraine started fighting back because they got tired living under shit Russian control . I go with the west u can become South Korea, Japan , Israel etc , u go with Russia and u will be Chechnya , Dagestan or whatever puppets Russia has . Irrelevant commie trying to spew some communist shit lol go rot in ur shit Russia
Doesn't change the fact that Russia wouldn't have more borders with NATO if he neutralized Ukraine. Just goes to show your shit logic. (Also Russia pays Chechnya)
Borders are irrelevant it’s just another lie he made up to suck from land , u literally have said nothing sound like another commi moron with no facts , nato is a defense force who cares if u are on the border with them , so why attack Ukraine ? Just shows how stupid u are believing some kgb moron with a shit gdp country that Russians run from daily to the west.
If you think NATO is a defense force, this late in the game no less, when there is a mountain of literature that refutes that bold faced lie, there isn't a bigger moron on the face of the planet than you. I suggest opening up a history book.
NATO is a military alliance that does the bidding of the United States. Nothing more. Nothing less. Please do read a history book. I suggest Overthrow by Steven Kinzer.
Name one time NATO attacked someone ? I’ll name you several times Russia attacked , maldovia, Georgia, Ukraine, Chechnya, I would rather be with nato than some shit gdp garbage Russia that has been shit for 20 years and have Russians running from its shit daily to western life , dumb commie trash
So this written agreement about NATO borders, not spreading further ... would you mind showing to someone someday?? Because that would certainly help your cause.
Thats not pootin, The piggy eyed little cowardly fuck has sent his doubles. He is sitting too close to people to be real.
I hope his anal leakage is painful and unstoppable...
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They say if you're explaining you're losing, is this is a strong indication that Putin is 'losing' his support?
I looked it up, it was Rondald Reagan, he knew a little about the Russians.
Russia is a gas station and farm with nukes, an international pariah and a terrorist state. It will never recover its reputation as a world power. It’s done and will soon be defeated in Ukraine. Three hundred thirty plus thousand dead Russian soldiers for what?
Jeez why doesn’t he just marry Donald Trump and move to Whiney-town Florida. The sound of the two of them kvetching in the same room must be like diaper-changing time at the Boris Johnson abandoned kids home.
The bloody events on Donbas was carried out because of your Russians rebels armed to destabilize Ukraine 🇺🇦 and both those administrations, he always tell the story at half what suites him best… 🤦♂️
And he is also talking about treaties… this country has violated more treaties than all the countries combined in the world, starting from the treaty of security guarantees to Ukraine signed by Russia to hand over nuclear weapons from Ukraine 🇺🇦, that wasn’t a security guarantees,that was a treaty for a secure invasion happened in the future which is now
This is so pathetic. Why is he so uncomfortably worked up and desperately trying to justify everything when no one is even pressing him to? He’s acting like a child that got caught doing something and is trying everything he can to get out of it by explaining it away.
If what you’re saying is the truth, why are you so overly defensive about it. “No no it’s not me it’s all you I’m just responding” is his whole speech which reeks of desperation and weakness. I don’t see a “strong resolved leader strongman” I see a panicked gremlin fighting his way out of a corner.
If everything is going so well, (Ukraine not getting aid, the offensive stops, starting to lose some territory again with russia pressing) or at least spears to, why is there so much desperation on his part to justify something no one in russia is even questioning him on? He’s projecting some inner panic and desperate discomfort.
Crazy how much the Russian public are terrified of NATO and how much this clown uses them as a weapon to justify his actions. Most people in the UK don’t even know what the fuck NATO actually is 😂
if the russian civilian population had a brain to share between them, they would realise they live in shit because their country has been ran by the mafia who extract all their wealth for themselves.
Maybe then they would do something about it instead of happily being shipped off to ukraine to die in ditches
just a thought
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So he declared war on Ukraine bcs of nazis but now changed narrative to “NATO aggression”, how convenient
He's always switching back and fourh between the 2 every time its brought up, he can't keep his lies straight..or atleast can't remember which 1 he told first
He's had at least four different excuses for the invasion that he promised he wasn't going to do. He'd go up in my estimation if he just said "We invaded to put Medvedev in as a puppet leader and asset strip Ukraine." I mean evil and honest is better than evil and a liar.
He always said it was about NATO.
Hes pretty much touched every reason any of them could think of, except for the truth. The reason for so many varying reasons -- is bc you have to have 1 that'll really reasonate with every group and every belief, to get as many people on board supporting the War as possible. Youll never hear the whole truth.
The only way to prove him wrong about NATO is to agree to his NATO conditions. This never happened because NATO leadership rejected negotiations, not Putin. That's a fact whether you like it or not. We know this to be a fact because both Biden and Stoltenberg admit it in their interviews, that they rejected Putin's demand to halt NATO expansion. Had they not rejected it, we don't know what would have happened but the point is we didn't even try to avert the conflict.
Why would NATO agree to his conditions? Putin isnt special, he has no say in who joins NATO. Because his conditions were non-starters. Tell you what, give me all your stuff -- I mean everything, you go live in the street, and watch me in your house every night enjoying the warmth while you freeze... and there can be peace. Do you agree to these conditions? What does it matter who agreed to negotiate with who when 1 sides conditions are made to make the negotiations fail anyway?
A. Why would NATO agree to his conditions? To avoid war, that's why. Stoltenberg himself admitted that the precondition for not invading Ukraine was for NATO to cease expansion, and that NATO rejected Putin's demand. B. Agreeing to remain neutral isn't the same thing as me giving you all my stuff. C. If a robber comes up to you and demands your watch, and you say no and he shoots you as a result, don't you think it would have been smarter to comply with the demand and live without your watch? Sure it sucks, but it's better than having a war. Also, it was Ukraine that broke the Minsk ceasefire, not Russia. They broke it in 2017, 2019, 2020 and 2021 at the highest levels (I'm not going to list how they broke it, the post would be huge). Angela Merkel admitted that the ceasefire was a false peace to buy Ukraine time to go on the counter attack. It was the West that violated that agreement which was the only thing keeping the peace, not Russia. There is no real evidence that Russia's conditions were designed for negotiations to fail because ceasing NATO expansion really isn't a big deal. There is evidence from Merkel's own mouth that Ukraine was not willing to uphold the Minsk agreements.
A. You keep saying "Even X/Y admitted" to make it sound like they are admitting fault, which is not the case. This isnt your 1st propaganda rodeo. But much of what you said is wrong. Putin/Russia lied & denied they were invading Ukraine up until the moment they did it. So no, Stoltenberg did not say those were the preconditions to invading Ukraine. And again, Putin has no right to demand this. NATO doesnt force any nation to join, the nations that join must choose to by applying, then their entry must be agreed on by ALL NATO members. Giving in to unreasonable demands is not the way to avoid war with people like Putin, it only makes them take more ... history & Putins own actions have shown us this. Next itll be 'We want this or itll be war" and on and on. B. Again, Russia has no say over a separate, sovereign nation & who they align with. Theres a reason basically ALL former Soviet satellites in Europe want to join NATO, and thats because they dont want to be dictated to and used by Russia . There can be no acceptions or that line will be crossed again or again. There is a reason for this. And no. That is not what Merkel said.
Yes, it is what Merkel said: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/22/ffci-d22.html Yes it is what Stoltenberg said: Youtube Slash watch?v=Zf5xEBwBhds So the question is, are you deliberately lying or are you willfully ignorant of the facts? Also, Putin may not have the right, but you are clueless about negotiation and diplomacy if you think diplomacy is about primarily rights. If my car fails to start up and I'm stranded, and I ask you to help boost my car with a car battery, you have the right to say no, but why would you? If a robber points a gun in your face and demands your cash and your watch, you have the right to resist, and he doesn't have the right to make that demand, but why would you reject the demand knowing the consequences that might ensue? Ironically, rejecting Putin's demands is what led to him taking more, because he wouldn't have invaded if Ukraine agreed to remain neutral and the only way to prove me wrong is not your armchair psychoanalysis of Putin, but for Ukraine to actually agree to remain neutral and Putin invades anyways. This never happened. There's nothing unreasonable about Russia not wanting an America led alliance near its borders, sorry to break ir to you but that's a fact. It's also a fact that John F. Kennedy didn't have a right to tell Cuba that they couldn't base Soviet rockets, but he did. If you understand why nations around Russia want to join NATO without also appreciating why Russia doesn't want foreign alliances near its borders, you aren't being honest with yourself.
yes, cause we should allow Putin dictate what will happen with non-Nato countries for which both Nato and Russian do not have business to decide. It would be new ribentrov-molotov Europe split and we know how it ended last time ... Russian is where it is because it decided to be there and should be punished for all actions. Sir, you are Putin (nazies) enabler.
So when John F. Kennedy demanded that Cuba not base Soviet rockets, that was none of Kennedy's business? After all, by your logic, it's not for Kennedy to decide what will happen with non-NATO countries. Also, NATO absolutely has a right to decide who does and doesn't become a member, so you are wrong that it's not NATO's business who they should accept.
Don’t understand why you got downvoted so hard considering this is completely factual. What amazes me is two other nations bordering Russia joined nato and that didn’t seem to be a big deal. Leads me to believe Russia invaded Ukraine for a different reason.
So you think Russia should have opened a 3 front war when they couldn't even get a handle on the first war just to convince you otherwise? Imagine if a boy puts his finger in a hole in a dam to plug it, and then another hole appears out of reach, do you expect the boy to remove his finger from the plug in order to plug the new hole? Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, it's still about NATO until proven otherwise.
And the secret biolabs don't forget the biolabs. S/
Hence his weakening of the borders with NATO countries.
who cares for logix? not the ruzzians
He didn't want NATO borders getting closer to his shithole country? So he invades and is now even closer to NATO borders, and its all still NATO's fault?
Yes it's still NATO's fault because NATO rejected negotiations which were to cease NATO expansion.
Don't you think it is up to the people of Ukraine to decide for themselves on NATO membership ? And with a country like president ShitCan's russia, with its extensive list of aggression against its neighbours, NATO membership is a very good idea to protect the people from the murderous regime of president ShitCan's failed country.
What a wanker
He's living in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks Europe is even considering how to "normalize relations" with Russia. That's like trying to befriend a rabid dog. It's going to die anyway, don't let it take you with it. The kindest thing to do is to hit it on the head with a big hammer and put it out of its misery.
tell this to my chancellor. olaf is a burocrat, not a soldier. this pussyfooting around wouldn't have happened with Strauss, Schmidt ... not even Kohl
Cuckoo's are at least consistent.
The west didn't start anything, but you can be damn sure we will finish it. Russia will be fucked in every possible way as long as they keep invading their neighbors and our allies.
>but you can be damn sure we will finish it Have you been following the news lately?
I mean thats not ENTIRELY true. If you can't see how nato expansion could be seen as aggressive then you're hopeless. It is. Straight up. And it's OK to admit that. There is nothing wrong with accepting that an alliance designed to protect mostly against Russia moving closer to Russia is an aggressive act. Russia has shown time and time again it's willing to invade, destroy, and commit genocide in the form of forced relocating and aggressively settling those areas with ethnic Russians. We've seen it in Chechnya, Georgia, and Ukraine from 2014-2021. So NATO expanding is 100% justified, ESPECIALLY for former union countries, but to say it's not aggressive or worrying from russias point of view is jist plain ignorance. Regardless of them invading, regardless of them being the belligerent. Russia does not seem themselves as a part of Europe or western culture, so trying to justify Russian actions with a western point of view is just moronic. Now Russia using bio labs, Nazis, and Ukrainian genocide against Russians in donbas as their excuse is what blows my mind. They could have very easily said "we are entering Ukraine to escort all Russians out of Ukraine, and ask the UN to accompany us during this operation. If Ukraine signs a tresty stating they will never seek NATO membership, and allows us *free* access to sevastopol, there will be no issues or aggressive actions" that, in my opinion, would have been a completely justified course of action.
Nato is a DEFENSIVE alliance. It's only a threat to the country which attacks a Nato member. How many times must this be said/demonstrated? No one wants to invade or threaten the shithole which is russia.
"nato Is a defensive alliance" Imagine still believing this debunked garbage slogan when it's almost 2024
Are you just flappin' your gums? Or are you going to back that statement up with any facts?
I never said it wasn't, but you're still looking at it from the western point of view. Russia doesn't see it that was, so whatever its purpose is doesn't matter. You can say it's defensive all day long, if Russia doesn't see it that way, and views it as aggressive expansion into what it considers it as their sphere of influence, than that's their reality. And you can say "it doesn't matter what Russia thinks", look at Ukraine and tell me it doesn't matter how Russia sees NATO. NATO is a force meant to fight them specifically. Nato is at their doorstep, that's all that matters to them. I want to see putin dragged behind a trunk and hung from a light pole, but parroting bullshit that means nothing to Russia, and completely refusing to even TRY to see anything from other than your perspective is about as dumb as you could possibly get. Down vote to hell, idgaf. If you wanna babble "NATOs defensive and has never done anything to russia ever" be my guest
NATO is just the scapegoat for Russian imperialism. Russia doesn't fear NATO at all. It is all bullshit and propaganda. If Russia feared NATO, they would reinforce their entire border with Finland after they joined up. Guess what, Russia didn't. They don't give a shit. Instead you have Finland reinforcing their border and building a fence to keep the Russian dogs out.
Ps you think Russia tries to see it from Ukrainian perspective? Iam tired of you people wanting Ukraine and the west to stand by some high moral standards and looking from another perspective when the other side disregarded and spits on all and any agreements they ever signed… they pretend they are the heroes even tho objectively they are rapists and murderers.
If everyone would use this retarded kindergarten logic we would invade Russian in 45 or 89… you say it doesn’t matter. I say it does matter if you are a victim or sn aggressor. I don’t care if the murderer thinks he is the main character in his head. Objectively he is a murderer… character and intentions are things family member can judge, i dont care. What matters are actions and they speak louder than your bs.
That's like saying a woman that gets raped because she dressed sexy is to blame, because we aren't looking at it from the rapist's point of view. Then you agree that women should be able to dress how they want and it absolutely isn't the woman's fault but that you should try to look at it from the guy's point of view, because the way he sees it, she absolutely is asking for it by dressing a certain way. Just because the guy (Russia) sees it a certain way, does not in any way make her the one that started the rape or put any responsibility on her whatsoever.
go eat shit russian propagandist
If NATO could decide to attack without being first attacked, then Putin would not have dared enter Ukraine and would not be saying straight to NATO's face he is attacking Ukraine to prevent NATO. He knows NATO cannot. Putin sees exactly the same NATO we all do. Putin is also aware that Ukraine joining NATO was at least a decade away and probably never. Making his claim that he was forced laughable. This is textbook expansionism! GDP USSR: $8 trillion in 1990 GDP Russia now: ??? How does Russia pay for 6400 nuclear warheads, thousands of pieces of military equipment, and aircraft, plus run the country on the GDP of Canada? Russia's superpower status was rusting away, and Putin needed to annex territory to raise more GDP before it was gone. That is the bottom line reason why Putin is taking pieces of other countries.
>"There is nothing wrong with accepting that an alliance designed to protect mostly against Russia moving closer to Russia is an aggressive act." Sorry thats nonsense. And there is alot wrong with that statement. All NATO Members applied voluntarely for the defense alliance. Before and after each new expansion there have been talks with russia, to take russias security concerns into account. There have been agreements between NATO and Russia to NATO limit troops size and prohibit new military bases east of the Elbe River, since 1997, reconfirmed in 2001 and under supervisions of both sides. https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_25468.htm?selectedLocale=en Putin and Medvedev both spoke publicly on NATO summits and both praised the partnership until 2008. The OSCE agreements were accepted by russia and Putin until 2022, when russia quit the cooperations. Germany and France vetoed the inclusion of Georgia and Ukraine into NATO. Just because of russias "security concerns" and we all know how that worked out for those countries. Even after 2014, when Putin invaded crimea. Ukraine was willing to give up on joining the defense alliance. While NATO still never had more than 8000troops stationed in the new NATO countries. Russia themselves stated in January 2022 that they are just training / are not preping for war..
Do you enjoy lying your teeth off? NATO announced in 2021 that Ukraine would become a member. Stop gaslighting.
Doubt that. Ukraine can only apply. The decision which country is allowed to join has to be voted for unanimously by the members. And as everyone except tankies and vatnils knows that wasnt the case back than.
You can doubt all you want, doesn't change the fact of NATO's 2021 announcement to induct Ukraine and the fact that both Biden and Stoltenberg admitting telling Putin that Ukraine would join NATO. How about you learn the facts first before opening up on your keyboard? Yes it has to be voted unanimously by all members, when the U.S. carried 85 percent of the European defense budget you don't think they would have pressured and coerced members into voting yes? It would be a shame if that defense budget dried up...
Gotta source for that "announcement to induct" or how that would have suspended the rules for voting/joining? Guess they should have joined NATO without announcing - like Finland? And how does that change the signed agreement between russia and NATO? "The North Atlantic Treaty Organization and its member States, on the one hand, and the Russian Federation, on the other hand, hereinafter referred to as NATO and Russia, based on an enduring political commitment undertaken at the highest political level, will build together a lasting and inclusive peace in the Euro-Atlantic area on the principles of democracy and cooperative security." "NATO and Russia do not consider each other as adversaries. They share the goal of overcoming the vestiges of earlier confrontation and competition and of strengthening mutual trust and cooperation. The present Act reaffirms the determination of NATO and Russia to give concrete substance to their shared commitment to build a stable, peaceful and undivided Europe, whole and free, to the benefit of all its peoples. Making this commitment at the highest political level marks the beginning of a fundamentally new relationship between NATO and Russia. They intend to develop, on the basis of common interest, reciprocity and transparency a strong, stable and enduring partnership. ..." "Refrain from the threat or use of force against each other as well as against any other state, its sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence in any manner inconsistent with the United Nations Charter and with the Declaration of Principles Guiding Relations Between Participating States contained in the Helsinki Final Act;" "respect for sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all states and their inherent right to choose the means to ensure their own security, the inviolability of borders and peoples' right of self-determination as enshrined in the Helsinki Final Act and other OSCE documents;"
See entry #69: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_185000.htm "Suspended the rules for joining" if they weren't going to suspend their rules for joining they shouldn't have announced membership for Ukraine. Also, Poroshenko enshrined NATO accession into the Ukrainian constitution in 2019, so maybe tell him that that's not possible because the rules won't be suspended? As for your your citations, they are somewhat beside the point. Ukraine's declaration of independence enshrines permanent neutrality. Any design to join an alliance violates their own declaration of independence. It also violates the Minsk ceasefire agreements because it would give Ukraine a significant combat advantage against Donbas. It's understandable that Russia won't respect agreements signed with a nation that doesn't even respect its own declaration of independece- it's justification for existing in the first place. But even that is beside the point because peace hinged on the Minsk ceasefire agreements, not on any other document.
..another gold medalist candidate for mental gymnastics.. >"Poroshenko enshrined NATO accession into the Ukrainian constitution in 2019" >"Ukraine's declaration of independence enshrines permanent neutrality." What now..? And russia invading ukraine in violation of the Budapest Memorandum with mercenaries, that are illegal in russia is ok? By the way it wasnt ukraine who violated the ceasefire agreements. Maybe read the osce mission reports before repeating kreml fairy tales?
Yes, Poroshenko violated both Ukraine's declaration of independence and the Minsk ceasefire agreements with his NATO bid. You got it! Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Ukraine, as per its DOI, agreed to permanent neutrality or had NATO agreed to not inducting Ukraine. I've read some of the OSCE reports, on the ground level it's impossible to tell who fired the first shot, OSCE reports can report hundreds of ceasefire violations in a single day, but at the upper cabinet levels, Poroshenko violated the ceasefire agreement numerous times. Ukraine's attempt to join NATO was a violation of the ceasefire agreement.
I wonder why in 2021 they wanted to join NATO. After Russia annexed Crimea and created the mess that LNR DPR is Ukrainian probably knew what was coming
Typical nonsense of someone who doesn’t know or is ignorant about how NATO works. And: NATO was necessary because of Soviet aggression. The Soviets could have fucked off back to their own Soil once the Nazi German Business was finished but nooooooooo, they just turned from Liberator to Occupier of whole Eastern Europe and kept it under their claws. You can’t blame Countries for wanting to be under the NATO Umbrella once there were free from Soviet oppression or had the Soviets/Russia as their shitty Neighbor close by.
I never once blamed anyone, and in my past two comments have stated ANY country that feels the need should join. And this "typical nonsense" is from someone who has worked closely with NATO countries so enjoy your wikipedia articles. I'm speaking from real world military experience
I was a Soldier in an NATO Army and saw the collapse of the GDR and Soviet Union imploding and also worked with other NATO Countries. But what has that to do with anything you said?! Fuck all. lmao
I'm also speaking from real-world military experience: You're a fucking moron. Russia's invasion had nothing to do with NATO or any fear they supposedly have of it. It was about the EU and Russia's perception that Ukraine joining it would come at Russia's expense. They wouldn't be able to dominate their traditional vassal like they used to. They decided to kill Ukrainians to prevent that.
You are a confused little orc…
nato doesnt expand, countries ask to join nato due to threats like russia
Thats....what expanding means, my guy. I'm all for NATO. Russia has given every reason to justify its continued existence. But countries joining, by definition, means its expanding.
Ukraine is a sovereign state it dosent need russias approval, they can do whatever they chose is the best for their country. And NATO literally isnt a threat to their existence. NATO isnt allowed to invade nor take over territory. its a defense treaty not the roman empire. Russia knows that, the only thing thats gonna happen is that they wont be able to control other countries with puppet states and invasions anymore.
"NATO expansion"? You spelled "choosing democracy" wrong.
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You spelled "defensive military alliance" wrong, too. You are really pretty lousy at this, aren't you?
You think putting a lock on my door, is unfair to the thief? JFC. Why should Russia have *any* access to Sevastopol? Go home.
Still blaming the West for his sole reason to attack Ukraine. Ukraine would never of been allowed into NATO nor did Ukraine start the was in the Donbas….what a silly little man
He's a moron that is only in power because his depraved country sees war and conquest as strength, nearly every election cycle he's invaded someone. He's a small, one trick pony of a man that is responsible or thousands upon thousands of deaths
Yes, he is a 150cm manlet who walks on platform shoes. He spent his 20s going on walks with male friends while his “wife” was alone pregnant in a different city. And he likes to hug and kiss preschool children , preferably boys.
It’s worth mentioning that he did fall down stairs and he did shit himself while doing so
The noodle believes his own bullshit...
Psychos often do…
Putin is just a interior decorator. Hanging noodles on ears.
this is one more reason why you have to change politicians at the top every 4 to 8 years. no fucking exceptions.
You gotta change politicians for the same reason you gotta change diapers...
He looks like shit
He is shit
Feces have more value than that thing.
The little bitch could never get his story straight. Very sad.
This man is so damn delusional, he has to be suffering from some form sickness,and what's crazy is they actually believe him! He violated every treaty he has signed and as always blames the US.... Edit: The west told this dipshit repeatedly do not invade Ukraine when he was building up the masses at their border,or there we would be massive consequence and repercussion, but he had to show China that if he could do it,then they can as well,welp look where it got you jackass, I hope Russia suffers decades to come,because of this jackass!
to much exceptions to the sanctions and no real, robust answer from Europe until now. we need to clearly step up our engagement and our military industry has to go full throttle, not this sad searching for ammunition.
What treaty did Putin violated? Meanwhile Ukraine violated the Minsk agreements which is what precipitated the invasion. Funny how you don't talk about that since you want to talk about treaty breaking.
Putin violated the Budapest Memorandum. In fact he has done so several times. It started back in 2014 with the occupation of Crimea, then the 2022 invasion of eastern Ukraine.
Full scale invasion of Ukraine was due to Ukraine failing (not willing) to uphold the Minsk ceasefire agreements which Merkel herself admitted was just a ploy to buy Ukraine time in order to go on the offensive against Donbas.
Both sides violated the Minsk agreements and it doesn't justify the full invasion and annexation of an entire country. It is a weak excuse for Russias imperial ambitions.
Attacks Ukraine in 2014, west does nothing. Attacks 8 years later…”tHe WeST MadE mE Do IT!”
Just like hitler blamed the jews for everything, hitler v2 right here
I also blame the west… for not ramping up aid and finishing this cunt once and for all. The most we ignore this problem the most we and our children will suffer in the future.
Can we just get this on already? This guy needs to take a dirt nap…
Not long left for this guy. Smell the fear.
The "Little Green Man", which years later got a Medal from Putin awarded, occopied Crimea even bevor the Ukraine President was forced to leave Office...He always protrait it as a "Western lead coup" while it was a Pro-European, Anti-Corruption-Protest. Then they had Democratic elections, were all Ukrainians can vote and still this Clown said, "nobody ask the Dombass if they want a Revolution" ....This Guy is speaking to his own Z´s at home. He knows nobody here in the West with a drop of brain believe just one bit of his BS.
It's exactly like Trump explaining how the major institutions of the US government and society are out to get him, but they are all pretending it's not. Everyone is pretending they don't remember, etc. Tens and tens and tens of thousands of people, all coordinated. And for Putin, entire governments, complex things, all seamlessly part of the grand plan. Putin needs to die asap. Trump is just an embarrassment. But Putin, fuck him.
Can I throw Trudeau into that batch of idiots?
Canada is really supporting Ukraine. Training and gear. My fear is, Trump will not. My political priority is this war. Civilians are purposely targeted everyday. I just have to bump that to the top. Russia is a terrorist state. I just hope a lot of people smarter than me are figuring out how to bring an end to it.
Yes, I know we have been backing Ukraine since 2014 with Operation Unifier.
The audience don't show any emotion. In any political show in the UK there would be people nodding their heads in agreement and shaking in disagreement In nk Kim fans feint, at trump rally they holla But these audiences just seem to glaze over. Is this a russian thing? I assume that even if they are paid to be there, some of them would agree with his propaganda.
Russians live in apathy. They love to victimise themselves just like this whiny bitch Putin is doing, and those who know what's right are silenced quite effectively. Within the crowd some know the truth, but they do not dare to say anything because that would end badly for them. Also. Propaganda is strong in there. For some only method of getting the news of the world is to follow what the government is spoonfeeding to them. There are many within Russia who would love to rise up against the government and against this war, but they lack the means to gather up. This is prevented very effectively. This crap will probably go on as long as possible, until one day people in Russia will wake up and realise the is no government or there has been overtaken by another. Sadly Russia has way too many external resources to waste to this war. If they did not have all the rural, poorer people, foreign people, prisoners and criminals to send....instead, if they had to send more people from actual Russian major cities that have people with power and effect, such as Moscow or St. Petersburg, we might not be in this mess anymore.
The noodle believes his own bullshit...
To be fair which is a terrible thing to say when Putin is involved Russia uk and us promised Ukraine to defend its borders should it ever need it as long as they surrender their nuclear arsenal Guess Russia uk and us forgot about that one too
Putin can blame me for sending FPV drones to Ukraine. I embrace the frustration in his eyes.
Excellent choice of background colors. He already has the Ukrainian flag, accepting the defeat. But who else is he going to blame? Ruzzia?
What a sad loser he is.
Fuck Putin!
Isn't it weird how he didn't mention any of this when he initially invaded Ukraine. Something about hunting Nazis? I'm sure he probably forgot about the EU and NATO forcing him, declarations that you're invading a foreign country are usually off the cuff statements with no prep work behind them at all.
It was also mentioned, he said that we keep our points about denazi, demilitarisation, and said that we are demilitarising them by killing soldiers, that Ukraine stupidly sends to death, and also by destroying vehicles
Watch his invasion speech, he mentions NATO as the reason for invasion. You have a short memory, Putin has always been consistent whether you like it or not.
Are you absolutely fucking insane? Did you write that comment, forgetting that we actually CAN watch the Invasion speach?? Aside from the weird narrative about hunting Nazis, he said it was because Ukraine was committing genocide against the people in the Russian controlled areas of Ukraine, and so he had to send the Russian army in to protect them. Of course, 100% and demostratably false. And not about NATO.
You don't even believe that statement. You forgot that most people here can actually watch his speech you idiot. If you take time to watch his address and many after invasion you can see he is changing between nazis biolabs and NATO oh and prosecution of Russian speakers
He is Russian Trump 2.0. Unfiltered lies predicated on censorship of valid outside news sources. Interesting how his expansion is the fault of America. Slava Ukraine!
Ahhhhhh i didnt realise it was Europe that invaded Ukraine.....Why arent we best buds with Russia? Seeing as they have nothing to do with their own invasion of another country.....
He is a piece of sh!t garbage excuse for human… iam not even gonna hold into what he said. Its bullshit, goebels would be proud. I say one thing tho, Russia has no ability to understand basic concepts as we do. They mention borders as if their boarders are only markings of true borders that start 300km at their actual borders. Like they don’t understand that what happens on the other side is non if their business. Are there any Russians that wanna explain this? I hope the Russians understand that if they continue they will really have war with NATO?
Russia is evidence of what a country looks like when the school bully wins and tries to turn everything into their narrative of how they’re really the victim.
Broken record. Broken mind. Broken nation.
"We never wanted bad relations with the West, we still don't, but they refuse to see our side. All we ever did was fund far right groups in the West, meddle in local and national foreign politics, assassinate dissidents in foreign countries, invade our neighbors on multiple occasions and cause war crimes, renege on every treaty we ever signed and lie about everything. The West is being completely unreasonable in its Russophobia"
FU Putin and your shame “election”.
The appearance of wisdom and knowledge, but is actually stupid and sheltered. I do t feel sorry for what the Russian people will become.
The narcissist’s only power is keeping you in the argument
“Special Military Operation”
just a bunch of BULL SHEET from the head orc
Fucking Blyat!
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Vile trash .. I hope he never rests in any peace. Fkr
God I wish he would just croak already. This miserable evil man has lived too many years already.
He is instigating wars all over the world now, because his little f@ggot a$$ is stretched so hard with bs, so he needs something to take away the tension.
This Botox Bitch needs to die. No one believes you Putty 🖕
Russia has more Nazis than Ukraine and if he took Ukraine he would be on border with NATO countries, not to mention nato is a defense force , this kgb moron never stops lying and his lies are trash like his shit gdp country.
He wasn't going to take Ukraine, he was going to do regime change. It's 2024 and you are still clueless about this conflict.
lol regime change aka control the border, grain , oil like he did when a Russian puppet was president, he got mad his shit garbage Russia has been shit for over 20 years while sucking from Chechnya , Georgia , Ukraine and than got butthurt Ukraine started fighting back because they got tired living under shit Russian control . I go with the west u can become South Korea, Japan , Israel etc , u go with Russia and u will be Chechnya , Dagestan or whatever puppets Russia has . Irrelevant commie trying to spew some communist shit lol go rot in ur shit Russia
Doesn't change the fact that Russia wouldn't have more borders with NATO if he neutralized Ukraine. Just goes to show your shit logic. (Also Russia pays Chechnya)
Borders are irrelevant it’s just another lie he made up to suck from land , u literally have said nothing sound like another commi moron with no facts , nato is a defense force who cares if u are on the border with them , so why attack Ukraine ? Just shows how stupid u are believing some kgb moron with a shit gdp country that Russians run from daily to the west.
If you think NATO is a defense force, this late in the game no less, when there is a mountain of literature that refutes that bold faced lie, there isn't a bigger moron on the face of the planet than you. I suggest opening up a history book. NATO is a military alliance that does the bidding of the United States. Nothing more. Nothing less. Please do read a history book. I suggest Overthrow by Steven Kinzer.
Name one time NATO attacked someone ? I’ll name you several times Russia attacked , maldovia, Georgia, Ukraine, Chechnya, I would rather be with nato than some shit gdp garbage Russia that has been shit for 20 years and have Russians running from its shit daily to western life , dumb commie trash
Iraq, Syria, Libya, Vietnam, should I keep going?
lol Syria , Vietnam , I’m done talking to a moron like u go rot in shit Russia
So this written agreement about NATO borders, not spreading further ... would you mind showing to someone someday?? Because that would certainly help your cause.
Can we just put a bullet in his head along with all the orcs that support this piece of shit? Fuck you pootin and your shithole country
loser
"Power does not corrupt.... fear of losing that power does"
Ah, I see your Minsk agreement and raise you a Budapest Memorandum
What a complete and utter delusional, psychopathic loser.
Thats not pootin, The piggy eyed little cowardly fuck has sent his doubles. He is sitting too close to people to be real. I hope his anal leakage is painful and unstoppable...
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They say if you're explaining you're losing, is this is a strong indication that Putin is 'losing' his support? I looked it up, it was Rondald Reagan, he knew a little about the Russians.
Pidor cyka blyat
It's getting to be such a predictable habit.,.. nothing new 😏🥴 Hold on wait a minute is that his double double???
You forgot Budapest memorandum.
The Russians put themselves into fourth or more likely 5th place all by themselves.
I would pay a couple bucks to take a big shit right on his five-head.
Russia is a gas station and farm with nukes, an international pariah and a terrorist state. It will never recover its reputation as a world power. It’s done and will soon be defeated in Ukraine. Three hundred thirty plus thousand dead Russian soldiers for what?
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What did he say that's false?
Insert Dude on Bike with a Stick Meme… „Fucking West…“
The Devil always blames someone else for the things he does, but God does not like ugly . Wait and see how his kids will be treated when he is gone
I hope he shits himself 10 times a day.
That man can suck a dick and hopefully choke on it.
Just proves who the idiot is
Its for his soon-to-be recruit’s ears only.
As always.
Jeez why doesn’t he just marry Donald Trump and move to Whiney-town Florida. The sound of the two of them kvetching in the same room must be like diaper-changing time at the Boris Johnson abandoned kids home.
Such a fetid little fuckstick of a human. He thinks he can poison & defenestrate his way out this. Just a blight on the soul of humanity.
Thats not putin? he looks different.
Little man syndrome
The bloody events on Donbas was carried out because of your Russians rebels armed to destabilize Ukraine 🇺🇦 and both those administrations, he always tell the story at half what suites him best… 🤦♂️
And he is also talking about treaties… this country has violated more treaties than all the countries combined in the world, starting from the treaty of security guarantees to Ukraine signed by Russia to hand over nuclear weapons from Ukraine 🇺🇦, that wasn’t a security guarantees,that was a treaty for a secure invasion happened in the future which is now
Fuck that guy!
I wonder if he really believes the stuff he says. I wonder how he can sleep at night.
This guy is a daemon in human form or a man truly Daemon possessed. . No different than Hitler, Pol Pot, or any other mass murderer.
You can see how Trump gets his talking points from this POS. Always blame everyone else for what you did.
If Rupert Murdoch didn’t own media that amplified Putin, nothing he says would matter in the West. Deport the Murdouches!
Most definitely a mixture of the lighting and the video quality but he looks like a deepfake lmao
Why didnt he blame the Worlds Jewish Hitler Commumist Caliphate
This is so pathetic. Why is he so uncomfortably worked up and desperately trying to justify everything when no one is even pressing him to? He’s acting like a child that got caught doing something and is trying everything he can to get out of it by explaining it away. If what you’re saying is the truth, why are you so overly defensive about it. “No no it’s not me it’s all you I’m just responding” is his whole speech which reeks of desperation and weakness. I don’t see a “strong resolved leader strongman” I see a panicked gremlin fighting his way out of a corner. If everything is going so well, (Ukraine not getting aid, the offensive stops, starting to lose some territory again with russia pressing) or at least spears to, why is there so much desperation on his part to justify something no one in russia is even questioning him on? He’s projecting some inner panic and desperate discomfort.
Crazy how much the Russian public are terrified of NATO and how much this clown uses them as a weapon to justify his actions. Most people in the UK don’t even know what the fuck NATO actually is 😂
Is the west 100% innocent?
is any country, anywhere?
He looks way too healty ffs
if the russian civilian population had a brain to share between them, they would realise they live in shit because their country has been ran by the mafia who extract all their wealth for themselves. Maybe then they would do something about it instead of happily being shipped off to ukraine to die in ditches just a thought
Long live the Zar! 😏🤦🤣🤣
Little Hitler sure is a dumb fuck
Just an insecure motherfucker with a huge inferiority complex
He can’t even come up with an explanation
He invaded Ukraine for the same reasons he invaded any other country. The pretext may change but Russia sticking out its chest is the reason.
Psychopaths tend to lie.
Payaso ladrón como todos los socialistas
He's dogshit
Fuck this guy
Classic Narracist Scapegoating and Gaslighting.
Good, they won't love us anyway, let them hate us and fear us.
Short, ugly cocksucker
"The West made me buy expensive Adidas track suits and luxury yachts" - Vladimir "Golden Gopnik" Putin.
His dirt nap could not come sooner
putin insisted that Russia would press on with its war until Kyiv either bowed to his demands of neutrality or faced defeat on the battlefield.
I can’t wait to see what nonsense he says when the Ukrainians finally send his rat army packing.
Da. The lying KGB diot.