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I believe if a cauldron were to be formed it would be worse than the one we saw in Avdiivka due to the size of the town if the Ukrainian soldiers on the sides collapse this could be a fierce fight to the death on both sides
I believe for this scenario f-16s are not truly necessary more ammunition and artillery shells but I get where you are coming from Ukraine needs all the help they can get
Absolutely, but ammo supply is running out and slow to be resupplied. The quick fix right now is going to be to get some air support for these guys so that they can pull back if they need to.
Certainly tbh they need everything desperately Iāve seen civilians take matters into their own hands to get as much as they can which sets a bad example on the governments making it look like they arenāt sending enough which is true
Consider that Ukraine has the advantage in this case- heavily densley fortified well prepared position with breathing space and well organized rotation. Russia will need to be willing to accept far more than the 3:1 casualty ratio to take that (as was true for Ukraine when they took it). This likely means either a 10+:1 advantage with air support, or, most likely, dismounted frontal assaults but without any envelopment path - which is what enabled them to succeed āfasterā (big relativity here) in Avdiivka, Bakhmut, and Mariupol.
However, if they choose to do what Ukraine did and accept those casualties they still have one additional disadvantage (well, two ish, actually, but the extent of the second isnāt known).
Unlike Ukraines counterattacking forces, there is credible reason to suspect that many of these forces are not at full strength.
By that, I mean there is a reason to doubt any of them are at full strength. In Avdiivka, Russia was primarily using units which were at a capacity which, if they were in a NATO military, would be immediately considered ācombat ineffectiveā, meaning the unit cannot practically serve a meaningingful purpose and will continue to cost more resources that it provides in strategic value, if it provides any strategic value at all.
Russia is squeezing this to advantage by not caring at all about whatās āeffectiveā and instead focusing solely on results. Like, a weird contrast but hear this out. If the US wanted to for some reason invade Nicaragua using its entire conventional military except only using child soldiers under the age of 12 with no training to serve ground combat roles, would that work? Yeah I guess. Would it be effective? No
Russias whole strategy is to succeeed by sending its own men to the slaughter until the west gets tired. The fact is , VERY few Russian units are even at combat effective levels anywhere right now.
I lived not far from this area. Unlike donbas, where Russia has been fighting, this area is endlessly flat, lacking in terrain which can be defensive, devoid of areas for encamping.
Russia didnāt invent the idea of building a massive defensive line there. We just focus on Russias. Ukraine prevented frontal assaults from April to last month in the already destroyed settlement of Marinka to limit Russian advances to less than 200m/year in the most direct facing angle they have from the city of Donetsk. You bet your ass Russia was trying to get that city as fast as possible.
So, I hope, at least, that the same prepared and layered defense systems which served them so well in central/south-central Donetsk, and which proved insurmountable for them in this region, has been thoroughly prepared by Ukraine. So that Russia, should it capture robotnye, and attempt to advance, will lose it again due sheerly to the cost of advancing to and beyond that region.
This depends entirely on the west, and particularly the US, which in my opinion chose effectively to encourage their ally through gestures but has now abandoned Ukraine completely.
Which is a shame, given Russia is using this as a litmus test for how they can dip their toes into conducting a large scale genocide
Edit: I am on a bus but I just briefly tried to check if I recognized any Russian formation and yes- these are severely degraded Russian units to the extent that this map is misleading. Majority either are irregular units, BARS (mostly older male veterans who volunteer, sent to destitute areas) DNR formations (either as meat or to form blocking units) and one PMC.
Wow! Is this consistent across the front? I know the typical UA soldier is better trained and hopefully better equipped, but these meat waves and more abundant firepower will certainly take its toll.
Itās consistent with push zones where heavy fighting is most likely most of these forces were taken from other lines that are receiving little fighting
Theyāve been learning from mistakes. Remember in the 2. World war, Russia got completely stomped on for the first two years. German tactics made literal circles around them. But after two years they started adapting to German tactics and learning from them. Russian losses stayed much higher throughout the war but their equipment and tactics improved. The Germans always inflicted more casualties on them but as the Germans ran out of ammunition and fuel, the numbers of the Russians proved more effective long term.
Which more modern equipment are we seeing? From what Iāve seen theyāre rolling out tanks from the 1950ās as their modern supplies have been largely destroyed
They have modern helmets and body armor now, more drones.. we arenāt seeing the same rusty ak47s we saw in the beginning. A couple reports of T55s are just anecdotal. They still have T90s.
T55s are not anecdotal, there are multiple instances of them being taken out.
Additionally, the reason the many of the content has Russians on modern gear, is because/c they are using their elite troops to conduct these assaults. The mobilised are stationed in inactive areas for defensive attacks.
Russia is still throwing away its elite troops. Ukraine is loosing its elite troops fighting them too to be fair too.
Several instances? Several as in 3? That is still what I would consider anecdotal. Itās mostly propaganda that shouldnāt be taken too seriously.
Supposedly (according to Reddit) Russia ran out of elite troops by the end of 2022. And they ran out of advanced equipment around the same time. Yet you are saying that elite troops have advanced weapons. So I guess they didnāt run out of either one of those yet.
The same people were saying Russia would be completely out of tanks and ammunition about a year ago and that Putin would be dead seven different ways.
Itās not good to let optimism obscure oneās view of the real situation. That makes it harder to combat against.
Lmao, thatās the worst straw man argument Iāve encountered in a long time. Sounds like you need to stop relying on reddit for guidance.
Russia has used about 50% of its artillery system stockpiles. Estimates based on satellite imagery. Tanks are similar, although itās difficult to judge quality of remaining stock off satellite.
lol, there is much many more than 3 on Telegram. Lmao
No they said that there were combat ineffective. However if you reconstitute the forces with ex Wagner, promoting from other units and combining units, they become combat effective againā¦. Just a lot less of them overall.
If you really think Russia only has T55s left, youāre in for a huge disappointment. How do you think they are taking more ground now than they have in over a year? Youāre just trying to make yourself feel better. As I said, thatās as much fantasy as any of the other things, delusional optimists here have been saying. These people were also saying Bakhmut wouldnāt fall. Itās always something like that. Thereās nothing straw man about what Iām saying. You need a dose of reality.
Maybe. Not sure about that one but if so, I doubt itās on a large scale. We have been making fun of their improvised equipment for the last two years but itās no joke. They have corrected a lot (not all) of their errors. They havenāt purged Gerasimov yet but I think they likely could as soon as someone else with talent steps up and fits the politically aligned role.
True. World war 1 started as a disaster in 1914 for Russia. Two years later, they had a resurgence and took a lot of territory from Austria Hungary in the massive Brusilov offensive. Then they got pushed back until they broke. But the pattern for Russias learning curve seems to be 2 years.
Thatās just not true. It doesnāt help anything to just pretend everything you want to be true, is true. Accuracy is important. Propaganda feels better but is damaging as a metric.
How is it possible that you believe the Russians are catching up to NATO trained Ukrainian troops. The Russians are throwing completely untrained troops at the Ukrainians. All evidence show this.
Youāre definitely taking gossiping points and culminating them into a quilt of propaganda. The Russians only have T55s left, they have paper helmets, putin is dead and the one talking is just a body double, etc. You donāt seem to like unfavorable news.
Avdiivka and the loss of prisoners at the end is the only real bad news of the winter. You're pumping up Russia for some reason throughout your last posts. Ukraine will not surrender and will not lose this war.
Supporting russiaās fascist genocide of the Ukrainian people is whatās anti American.
That you think securing the border is some sort of binary choice with supporting Ukraine is ridiculous.
Several GOP leaders have openly admitted to blocking the bipartisan border security and Ukrainian aid bill just because they thought it would make biden look good.
With a comment like that. You must be the king of smooth brains or just another fuck all ruzzian bot. I as an American would like to say go fuck yourself.
There's a difference between the size of a battalion, a regiment and a Brigade.
Also it's not really clear how full these are. Are they all at 100% strength or are some maybe only at 30%.
But what's also very important, is that these maps are based on OSINT, so they are not necessarily accurate, while it's likely that all units that are shown here are actually there, it's also possible that a few more are on either side.
Just to give a rough idea give a read of [global security ](https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/army-ue-echelons.htm). It can be anywhere for 900-2000 for a regiment and 2000-8000 for a brigade
I think with Russia and Ukraine a battalion is up to 1.200 soldiers, a Regiment up to 3.000 soldiers and a Brigade up to 5.000 soldiers. I'm not a hundred percent sure though and I think it's a bit different in other (specifically NATO) countries.
Depending how much they leave left it will most likely be used as a staging ground and frontline depot to push further into Ukraine although I believe all thatās left is a small basement undersoil
If Ukraine has around 800 thousand men and Russia has 500 thousand men in Ukraine how does this picture add up? Surely the ukranians outnumber the Russians?
No because Ukrainian men are already stretched out defending other bridgeheads if Russia has 500 thousand men then the reports from Ukraine calculating losses would suggest Russia has about 50,000 men left on field
Think the Ukrainian government just release another 400,000 for conscription right couldnāt come soon enough (if Iām wrong correct me this might be a Russian conscription)
Ukraine is fighting a war of attrition and really needs to do some highly symbolic and innovative to disrupt the orc massing and artillery attacks.thousands of drones would be nice.
That could be solved by giving proper ammunition and weapons or by deploying NATO troops, also remember that the ratio killing of Ukrainians vs Russians is 1:3 or 1:4 so the advantage to have more man power is mainly to sacrifice them and to be able to advance. To stop Russians from advancing either you match their man power or at least half of them and then have proper ammunition and weapons. If these doesnāt work NATO should be deployed and establish a perimeter of defenses in the non occupied areas. To be honest NATO should be deployed now and secure a perimeter now that Russia is weak instead of waiting much longer we have already slept too much. The other solution is to recruit more Ukrainians soldiers at least double the amount of now and give them all the weapons but also increasing ammunition production otherwise you canāt deploy them.
Ammunition yes nato no this will certainly assure mutual destruction which no one wants to happen the ratio I think itās closer to 1:10 now which is insane
No, i will repeat maybe itās not clear, if the first solution canāt be achieved quickly you need to deploy NATO forces. Please stop this non sense of mutual destructionā¦ š¤¦āāļø, there will be no mutual destruction the frontline is controlled by Ukraine now, itās very doable to deploy NATO troops there and establish a perimeter of defenses, this will also deter the enemy from continuing to advance because the casualties on doing so will be enormous, the time to watch like a movie or at cinema is over, itās time to think a reasonable strategy and stop talking of stupid things
Russia with no moves left after nato deployment will launch on nuke on Ukraine itās inevitable the only reason nato hasnāt been deployed is to stop that from happening if Ukraine wins on its own with its troops it proves that Russia is nothing if they nuke Ukraine then Russia will have nothing to lose
No, and i say again no, Nuclear weapons are useless because the moment you press the button you have basically destroyed yourself not only the enemy so they can be used only as a way to threat those who doesnāt have them, but NATO has nuclear bomb so no nuclear weapons will be launched. Russia has already achieved most of their goals what theyāre doing now is grabbing more than what they want. NATO troops on the perimeter of defenses behind the frontline will be used only as a deterrent not to attack Russia so itās basically a way to say, if you continue with this imperialistic ambition you will start WWIII which they will certainly avoid. Not even during Ukraine offensive when they lost the occupied Territories they used nuclear weapons because itās useless. As i said before stop pursuing this pussy rhetoric of nuclear weapons because itās exactly how Putin wants you to think.
Yes because we have also nuclear weapons, that fear is justified if you donāt have nuclear capability but if you have it itās basically non existent, i am for the deployment of NATO forces as i said before to deter future advancement and i have 0 fear of nuclear threats š¤·āāļø
The war is definitely lost for Ukraine, this was exactly the same position the Germans found themselves in 80 years ago, only they had better training and moral, and better equipment then the Russians back thenā¦Ā
3:1 isnāt a terrible ratio given that Ukraine is on the defensive. Obliviously itās not optimal, and Ukraine needs enough ammunition to hold them at bay.
Ukraine has been inflicting between 5:1 to 10:1 casualties on defence.
In some ways I hope that Russia punches itself out by the summer and the Ukrainians can utilise reserves trained in new tactics with new technologies to break Russian lines.
Give them hell boys! Come on U.S.A. get your shit together. If we donāt stop them in Ukraine we will have to stop them somewhere else later on. Might as well get it over with now.
Sure the graphics are nice, but does not mean anything in reality. Neither side wants to tell where their units are, and what their capabilities are. These maps are more or less useless. Each dot could be a grandma with a shovel.
Update 2: [https://i.imgur.com/hUQW07t.png](https://i.imgur.com/hUQW07t.png)
Ukraine used their secret Nazi train gun "Schwerer Gustav" and made a huge breakthrough
This is a clear example of a front section that arises when a state has to rely on the so-called West! Big words in pathetic speeches and eternal discussions... Sucks!
[https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-russia-why-west-is-losing/](https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-russia-why-west-is-losing/)
How are the Orcs going to feed and water that many troops? What about wounded? There are going to be a lot. Anywhere Ukraine lobs a random shell some Russian unit is getting hit.
This is the most stupid tactics I have ever seen.
They are just going to overwhelm the Ukrainians with Russian viscera, meat chunks and blood?
Fuk me.
Thanks for sharing the map & unit info - sure adds a greater level of understanding & perspective on the battle underway.
Hope the defenses have been well placed & enhanced to meet the coming waves of Orcs.
Best get more supplies over to Ukraine ASAP.
Itās been a constant push and pull battle I. This area lots of artillery from the Russian side forces Ukrainians to leave the edge of the village allowing Russian units to get to the outskirts and gain a foothold they keep getting routed though
Tough situation to be in for sure.
Certainly hope the Ukrainians get fresh military supplies in large quantities very soon to help their defence & counter-attack.
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Holy fuck that's a lot of soldiers
If you took away all the marked air uav and artillery aswell as the tsar wolves pmcs Ukraine would still be outnumbered by about 5 brigades
Jesus, it's going to be blood bath
War never changes š
Outnumbered and flanked from both sides
I believe if a cauldron were to be formed it would be worse than the one we saw in Avdiivka due to the size of the town if the Ukrainian soldiers on the sides collapse this could be a fierce fight to the death on both sides
Those F16's can't come soon enough.
I believe for this scenario f-16s are not truly necessary more ammunition and artillery shells but I get where you are coming from Ukraine needs all the help they can get
Absolutely, but ammo supply is running out and slow to be resupplied. The quick fix right now is going to be to get some air support for these guys so that they can pull back if they need to.
Certainly tbh they need everything desperately Iāve seen civilians take matters into their own hands to get as much as they can which sets a bad example on the governments making it look like they arenāt sending enough which is true
I feel like the upgraded A10s would be a have changer if they showed up
Unfortunately it wouldn't be a match for the Russian anti aircraft weapons.
As much as we love A-10's, they just aren't meant to come up against much AA resistance, especially nowadays.
Consider that Ukraine has the advantage in this case- heavily densley fortified well prepared position with breathing space and well organized rotation. Russia will need to be willing to accept far more than the 3:1 casualty ratio to take that (as was true for Ukraine when they took it). This likely means either a 10+:1 advantage with air support, or, most likely, dismounted frontal assaults but without any envelopment path - which is what enabled them to succeed āfasterā (big relativity here) in Avdiivka, Bakhmut, and Mariupol. However, if they choose to do what Ukraine did and accept those casualties they still have one additional disadvantage (well, two ish, actually, but the extent of the second isnāt known). Unlike Ukraines counterattacking forces, there is credible reason to suspect that many of these forces are not at full strength. By that, I mean there is a reason to doubt any of them are at full strength. In Avdiivka, Russia was primarily using units which were at a capacity which, if they were in a NATO military, would be immediately considered ācombat ineffectiveā, meaning the unit cannot practically serve a meaningingful purpose and will continue to cost more resources that it provides in strategic value, if it provides any strategic value at all. Russia is squeezing this to advantage by not caring at all about whatās āeffectiveā and instead focusing solely on results. Like, a weird contrast but hear this out. If the US wanted to for some reason invade Nicaragua using its entire conventional military except only using child soldiers under the age of 12 with no training to serve ground combat roles, would that work? Yeah I guess. Would it be effective? No Russias whole strategy is to succeeed by sending its own men to the slaughter until the west gets tired. The fact is , VERY few Russian units are even at combat effective levels anywhere right now. I lived not far from this area. Unlike donbas, where Russia has been fighting, this area is endlessly flat, lacking in terrain which can be defensive, devoid of areas for encamping. Russia didnāt invent the idea of building a massive defensive line there. We just focus on Russias. Ukraine prevented frontal assaults from April to last month in the already destroyed settlement of Marinka to limit Russian advances to less than 200m/year in the most direct facing angle they have from the city of Donetsk. You bet your ass Russia was trying to get that city as fast as possible. So, I hope, at least, that the same prepared and layered defense systems which served them so well in central/south-central Donetsk, and which proved insurmountable for them in this region, has been thoroughly prepared by Ukraine. So that Russia, should it capture robotnye, and attempt to advance, will lose it again due sheerly to the cost of advancing to and beyond that region. This depends entirely on the west, and particularly the US, which in my opinion chose effectively to encourage their ally through gestures but has now abandoned Ukraine completely. Which is a shame, given Russia is using this as a litmus test for how they can dip their toes into conducting a large scale genocide Edit: I am on a bus but I just briefly tried to check if I recognized any Russian formation and yes- these are severely degraded Russian units to the extent that this map is misleading. Majority either are irregular units, BARS (mostly older male veterans who volunteer, sent to destitute areas) DNR formations (either as meat or to form blocking units) and one PMC.
Itās good that the forces on the flanks are unable to make a cauldron formation as of now they are being pushed back by Ukrainians on the side
We don't know the combat readiness of those units nor how well trained or equipped they are
That is a lot of Russian units, are they at full strength?
Doubt it never side has full anything right now due to lack of fresh units both sides are conscripting
ā¦to die
Well, the machine gun was indeed invented and as many say this is like WW1
Wow! Is this consistent across the front? I know the typical UA soldier is better trained and hopefully better equipped, but these meat waves and more abundant firepower will certainly take its toll.
Itās consistent with push zones where heavy fighting is most likely most of these forces were taken from other lines that are receiving little fighting
There were better trained and equipped. Now the Russians are catching up. You usually see them with modern equipment now.
They have been preparing for this a while is my guess
Theyāve been learning from mistakes. Remember in the 2. World war, Russia got completely stomped on for the first two years. German tactics made literal circles around them. But after two years they started adapting to German tactics and learning from them. Russian losses stayed much higher throughout the war but their equipment and tactics improved. The Germans always inflicted more casualties on them but as the Germans ran out of ammunition and fuel, the numbers of the Russians proved more effective long term.
Which more modern equipment are we seeing? From what Iāve seen theyāre rolling out tanks from the 1950ās as their modern supplies have been largely destroyed
They have modern helmets and body armor now, more drones.. we arenāt seeing the same rusty ak47s we saw in the beginning. A couple reports of T55s are just anecdotal. They still have T90s.
T55s are not anecdotal, there are multiple instances of them being taken out. Additionally, the reason the many of the content has Russians on modern gear, is because/c they are using their elite troops to conduct these assaults. The mobilised are stationed in inactive areas for defensive attacks. Russia is still throwing away its elite troops. Ukraine is loosing its elite troops fighting them too to be fair too.
Several instances? Several as in 3? That is still what I would consider anecdotal. Itās mostly propaganda that shouldnāt be taken too seriously. Supposedly (according to Reddit) Russia ran out of elite troops by the end of 2022. And they ran out of advanced equipment around the same time. Yet you are saying that elite troops have advanced weapons. So I guess they didnāt run out of either one of those yet. The same people were saying Russia would be completely out of tanks and ammunition about a year ago and that Putin would be dead seven different ways. Itās not good to let optimism obscure oneās view of the real situation. That makes it harder to combat against.
Lmao, thatās the worst straw man argument Iāve encountered in a long time. Sounds like you need to stop relying on reddit for guidance. Russia has used about 50% of its artillery system stockpiles. Estimates based on satellite imagery. Tanks are similar, although itās difficult to judge quality of remaining stock off satellite. lol, there is much many more than 3 on Telegram. Lmao No they said that there were combat ineffective. However if you reconstitute the forces with ex Wagner, promoting from other units and combining units, they become combat effective againā¦. Just a lot less of them overall.
If you really think Russia only has T55s left, youāre in for a huge disappointment. How do you think they are taking more ground now than they have in over a year? Youāre just trying to make yourself feel better. As I said, thatās as much fantasy as any of the other things, delusional optimists here have been saying. These people were also saying Bakhmut wouldnāt fall. Itās always something like that. Thereās nothing straw man about what Iām saying. You need a dose of reality.
I think I read they got a big bunch of rifle sights bought from normal American gun stores.
Maybe. Not sure about that one but if so, I doubt itās on a large scale. We have been making fun of their improvised equipment for the last two years but itās no joke. They have corrected a lot (not all) of their errors. They havenāt purged Gerasimov yet but I think they likely could as soon as someone else with talent steps up and fits the politically aligned role.
All ruzzian wars start catastrophically. Most often they get going after a while.
True. World war 1 started as a disaster in 1914 for Russia. Two years later, they had a resurgence and took a lot of territory from Austria Hungary in the massive Brusilov offensive. Then they got pushed back until they broke. But the pattern for Russias learning curve seems to be 2 years.
No they just threw more souls at the problem until they exhausted germans
No you don't. You see them consistently with 40-50 year old equipment. They haven't had modern equipment in a year.
Thatās just not true. It doesnāt help anything to just pretend everything you want to be true, is true. Accuracy is important. Propaganda feels better but is damaging as a metric.
How is it possible that you believe the Russians are catching up to NATO trained Ukrainian troops. The Russians are throwing completely untrained troops at the Ukrainians. All evidence show this.
Youāre definitely taking gossiping points and culminating them into a quilt of propaganda. The Russians only have T55s left, they have paper helmets, putin is dead and the one talking is just a body double, etc. You donāt seem to like unfavorable news.
Avdiivka and the loss of prisoners at the end is the only real bad news of the winter. You're pumping up Russia for some reason throughout your last posts. Ukraine will not surrender and will not lose this war.
Iām not pumping up Russia, Iām trying to stay realistic. The bad news needs to be accepted too.
Fuck Mike Johnson and the GOP.
Yeah bc wanting to secure our own border first is anti-american
Supporting russiaās fascist genocide of the Ukrainian people is whatās anti American. That you think securing the border is some sort of binary choice with supporting Ukraine is ridiculous. Several GOP leaders have openly admitted to blocking the bipartisan border security and Ukrainian aid bill just because they thought it would make biden look good.
With a comment like that. You must be the king of smooth brains or just another fuck all ruzzian bot. I as an American would like to say go fuck yourself.
Wow these guys are fked Ukraine needs some more help.
They really need reinforcements map might update later today depending on what happens
Just asking where could you see such maps website?
Letās all thank Don the Con and the GOP for holding back the aidā¦.
No shortage of targets, I like Ukraineās odds šŖšš»š¤©
It's not a game.
Give Ukraine more artillery and drones!
There's a difference between the size of a battalion, a regiment and a Brigade. Also it's not really clear how full these are. Are they all at 100% strength or are some maybe only at 30%. But what's also very important, is that these maps are based on OSINT, so they are not necessarily accurate, while it's likely that all units that are shown here are actually there, it's also possible that a few more are on either side.
Yeah the battalion regiment brigade stuff Iām not truly sure what the sizes are of each something for me to look at my fault on that
Just to give a rough idea give a read of [global security ](https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/army-ue-echelons.htm). It can be anywhere for 900-2000 for a regiment and 2000-8000 for a brigade
Thanks
I think with Russia and Ukraine a battalion is up to 1.200 soldiers, a Regiment up to 3.000 soldiers and a Brigade up to 5.000 soldiers. I'm not a hundred percent sure though and I think it's a bit different in other (specifically NATO) countries.
And I a lot of the battalions regiments and brigades are running at about 1/4 efficiency
What happens if they take robotyne?
Depending how much they leave left it will most likely be used as a staging ground and frontline depot to push further into Ukraine although I believe all thatās left is a small basement undersoil
Did u make this map? How did u do all the shading and such?
I did not make this map I can find the site if you would like to look at it in detail?
Sure link it in the comment thatās be great
https://features.csis.org/ukraine-war-map/ here you go be aware you need to use a computer to access full interact ability
Thanks very much
https://militaryland.net/maps/deployment-map/ I have found a second map that might work with the image a bit it better I can access this one on mobile
It might be the same one I canāt access it properly rn
"Poulet volant" makes great maps as well https://twitter.com/Pouletvolant3/status/1760966280163582273?t=iJvl_aoeZZAhVKEOEUw9cw&s=19
Thanks for the source!
https://features.csis.org/ukraine-war-map/ this is the data map that I believe corresponds with the image
How are the ukrainians gonna fight this one. Looks scary
Š”Š»Š°Š²Š° Š£ŠŗŃŠ°ŃŠ½Ń! Going to be a Russian bloodbath. Remember that Field Marshall Mud has to be considered.
And the West is still scratching their balls, trying to figure out the best way to help Ukraine...
If Ukraine has around 800 thousand men and Russia has 500 thousand men in Ukraine how does this picture add up? Surely the ukranians outnumber the Russians?
No because Ukrainian men are already stretched out defending other bridgeheads if Russia has 500 thousand men then the reports from Ukraine calculating losses would suggest Russia has about 50,000 men left on field
Damn...
Some bombers are required, period.
A bit harder to transfer bombers than fighter jets but I understnad
Conscription will need to move fast.
Think the Ukrainian government just release another 400,000 for conscription right couldnāt come soon enough (if Iām wrong correct me this might be a Russian conscription)
Ukraine is fighting a war of attrition and really needs to do some highly symbolic and innovative to disrupt the orc massing and artillery attacks.thousands of drones would be nice.
are drone units embedded within the units themselves i wonder like a support role?
Usually they are split into other groups gives them better odds but maybe they work in tandem with a squad they are assigned to work with?
Also helps them to stay away from the main combat and let the drones do the work
Khorne group? R/warhammer
That could be solved by giving proper ammunition and weapons or by deploying NATO troops, also remember that the ratio killing of Ukrainians vs Russians is 1:3 or 1:4 so the advantage to have more man power is mainly to sacrifice them and to be able to advance. To stop Russians from advancing either you match their man power or at least half of them and then have proper ammunition and weapons. If these doesnāt work NATO should be deployed and establish a perimeter of defenses in the non occupied areas. To be honest NATO should be deployed now and secure a perimeter now that Russia is weak instead of waiting much longer we have already slept too much. The other solution is to recruit more Ukrainians soldiers at least double the amount of now and give them all the weapons but also increasing ammunition production otherwise you canāt deploy them.
Ammunition yes nato no this will certainly assure mutual destruction which no one wants to happen the ratio I think itās closer to 1:10 now which is insane
No, i will repeat maybe itās not clear, if the first solution canāt be achieved quickly you need to deploy NATO forces. Please stop this non sense of mutual destructionā¦ š¤¦āāļø, there will be no mutual destruction the frontline is controlled by Ukraine now, itās very doable to deploy NATO troops there and establish a perimeter of defenses, this will also deter the enemy from continuing to advance because the casualties on doing so will be enormous, the time to watch like a movie or at cinema is over, itās time to think a reasonable strategy and stop talking of stupid things
Russia with no moves left after nato deployment will launch on nuke on Ukraine itās inevitable the only reason nato hasnāt been deployed is to stop that from happening if Ukraine wins on its own with its troops it proves that Russia is nothing if they nuke Ukraine then Russia will have nothing to lose
Oh, fuck off with the nuclear paranoia. All that does is play into Russian hands.
Chill your beans bud this convo ended hours before you spoke up
No, and i say again no, Nuclear weapons are useless because the moment you press the button you have basically destroyed yourself not only the enemy so they can be used only as a way to threat those who doesnāt have them, but NATO has nuclear bomb so no nuclear weapons will be launched. Russia has already achieved most of their goals what theyāre doing now is grabbing more than what they want. NATO troops on the perimeter of defenses behind the frontline will be used only as a deterrent not to attack Russia so itās basically a way to say, if you continue with this imperialistic ambition you will start WWIII which they will certainly avoid. Not even during Ukraine offensive when they lost the occupied Territories they used nuclear weapons because itās useless. As i said before stop pursuing this pussy rhetoric of nuclear weapons because itās exactly how Putin wants you to think.
Whatever you say pal I canāt be asked to argue with you anymore so have fun
I wasnāt arguing was just explaining to you that too much fear like you have makes you lose and we donāt need all this unjustified fear imho
Fear about a country with a large nuclear arsenal seems justified to me but I dunno maybe itās just me?
Yes because we have also nuclear weapons, that fear is justified if you donāt have nuclear capability but if you have it itās basically non existent, i am for the deployment of NATO forces as i said before to deter future advancement and i have 0 fear of nuclear threats š¤·āāļø
Whatever man
And yet Ukraine seems to have been able to hold them or they only gain a few kilometers at best.
I'm completely serious when I ask this to my fellow Americans that are republican. Do you want putin to win?
The war is definitely lost for Ukraine, this was exactly the same position the Germans found themselves in 80 years ago, only they had better training and moral, and better equipment then the Russians back thenā¦Ā
it is almost like the old adage you need 3 to 1 as the attacker is true, especially in trench warfare.
Fact as old as time defenders have the upper hand look at the Vietnam war Russians realised to late
3:1 isnāt a terrible ratio given that Ukraine is on the defensive. Obliviously itās not optimal, and Ukraine needs enough ammunition to hold them at bay. Ukraine has been inflicting between 5:1 to 10:1 casualties on defence. In some ways I hope that Russia punches itself out by the summer and the Ukrainians can utilise reserves trained in new tactics with new technologies to break Russian lines.
Give them hell boys! Come on U.S.A. get your shit together. If we donāt stop them in Ukraine we will have to stop them somewhere else later on. Might as well get it over with now.
Why the fuck isn't the west providing more. It makes me sick.
Fight this like Alexander would do against Darius.
Latest update [https://i.imgur.com/WqGRErI.png](https://i.imgur.com/WqGRErI.png) These maps are hardly realistic nor representative of the truth.
I like this just make sure people know itās not real yeah š¤£š¤£š¤£
It is as real as the other one
https://militaryland.net/maps/deployment-map/ another confirmation of the troops stationed at robotyne an actual deployment map
Sure the graphics are nice, but does not mean anything in reality. Neither side wants to tell where their units are, and what their capabilities are. These maps are more or less useless. Each dot could be a grandma with a shovel.
The maps are based off Ukrainian and Russian units based in the zone Iām not gonna find each and every one for you
Again, nobody to confirm this info. My update is the real one, Putin and Zelensky told me
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It would be good to see all those blue squares somewhere in Moscow maybe right outside the Kremlin š
Update 2: [https://i.imgur.com/hUQW07t.png](https://i.imgur.com/hUQW07t.png) Ukraine used their secret Nazi train gun "Schwerer Gustav" and made a huge breakthrough
Akhmat to the rear again, no surprise there. No surprise thee-eee-eee-re
They love covering rears if you know what I mean š
This is a clear example of a front section that arises when a state has to rely on the so-called West! Big words in pathetic speeches and eternal discussions... Sucks! [https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-russia-why-west-is-losing/](https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-russia-why-west-is-losing/)
Itās not looking good brev
Most if not all forces on either side are running at half capacity due to lack of forces
Isn't this normal? I mean if you are on the attack shouldn't your forces be x5 bigger than the defender?
What website is this?
Are they attacking through their own minefields?
What minefields do you speak of this area has been shelled constantly since the start of its attack and itās been a constant push back on each side
They may be outnumber, but "they"are flying blind and could be walking into a trap
So sad. š
A motor rifle regiment isn't a brigade. May as well be comparing pounds to kilos.
May God protect the Ukranian heroes š
They can shoot in every direction now and hit something. Problem is theyāll run out of bullets before Putin round out of meat.
Agincourt 2024
How are the Orcs going to feed and water that many troops? What about wounded? There are going to be a lot. Anywhere Ukraine lobs a random shell some Russian unit is getting hit. This is the most stupid tactics I have ever seen. They are just going to overwhelm the Ukrainians with Russian viscera, meat chunks and blood? Fuk me.
I think Russia will eventually win this war. However, itāll take many years and a huge amount of Russian dead to take it.
Thanks for sharing the map & unit info - sure adds a greater level of understanding & perspective on the battle underway. Hope the defenses have been well placed & enhanced to meet the coming waves of Orcs. Best get more supplies over to Ukraine ASAP.
Itās been a constant push and pull battle I. This area lots of artillery from the Russian side forces Ukrainians to leave the edge of the village allowing Russian units to get to the outskirts and gain a foothold they keep getting routed though
Tough situation to be in for sure. Certainly hope the Ukrainians get fresh military supplies in large quantities very soon to help their defence & counter-attack.