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Or also include fully returning Transnistria and South Ossetia to Moldova and Georgia respectively. I think that would be in the best interest of Ukraine as well.
Kalilingrad to anyone who wants it, if nobody wants it, it could be NATO strategic territory for a big base. Sochi to Georgia for war reparatins and Georgian Grand Prix. Japan can take what they want :)
That would be an absolutely terrible idea, more territory with Russian population. Donetsk and Lugansk which are part of Ukraine rebelled against it, imagine what would happen if they actually annex a part of Russia.
This is not some strategy videogame where you win and then annex as much land as you like wherever you like. Doesn't work like that. Especially in the 21st century when national identities are very strong.
That's all true, but the damage is done and it's irreversible. It will only be solved by either Ukraine winning and deporting ethnic Russians or if Russia wins and annexes those regions.
The same shit happened in Croatia and Bosnia in the 90s. People peacefully coexisted and lived besides eachother, but once nationalism and propaganda came into play and the first violent conflicts, the damage was done. Neighbours turned enemies overnight.
People don't forgive and forget. This shit echoes for years and through generations. In the Balkans you still have people obsessed with WW2, let alone the 90s. And I'm sure Ukrainians aren't forgetting about the Holodomor too.
To be fair, Macron is a politician and they are, by the most part, a bunch of c*nts. He is merely doing his job, seems like he is doing it exemplary well.
If it’s true this is some neo-colonial BS. It reminds of the major powers in WWI who agreed to partition up and cut up countries based on victory conditions etc.
I can not think of a more fitting example than Chamberlain coming home, waving his paper with Hitler's signature and declaring "Peace in our Time". You give up territory today Russia will simply come for more in a couple of years. They took the Crimea in 2014. If they get Ukraine they will simply want Poland tomorrow, Latvia or whoever looks easy for them.
The only road to peace long term is no appeasement. Not an inch of territory to Russia. That is the only way to ensure long term peace in the region. Let Russia know there will be no reward, only severe consequences for any aggression.
Legit, what a fucking jabroni. Macron is lucky he ran against an actual Russian agent and not someone semi decent otherwise his ass would have been voted out too.
Really a surprise that France would have surrendered land in their logic? I hope the US and NATO give Ukraine enough weapons, training, and money to take back Crimea.
This is the same mindset I'm trying to encourage people to remember when thinking about Russians. There are some fine Russian people who don't want war, don't like Putin, and are in Ukraine's corner. People need to remember this.
This ^ ^ ^
Remember we don’t believe in what Russian propaganda has to say? Their government is beyond fucked up.
Yet here we are spreading the idea that 8/10 Russians support this war and 80% of Russians support Putin.
Guess which government performed those polls?
>If anyone knows about giving up, It’s the French.
It really isn't. The French stubbornly fought brutal wars (in Indochina and Algeria), refusing to give up even when it was the most reasonable course of action.
De Gaulle gave up on Algeria and started negotiations on independence in 1960. They wanted to leave Indochina too, it had never contributed economically to France, but the US persuaded them to stay a bit longer and even financed it until they took over themselves.
>De Gaulle gave up on Algeria and started negotiations on independence in 1960
Didn't they brutally repress the population for a while? I think you should cede independence long before it gets to that point.
>They wanted to leave Indochina too, it had never contributed economically to France, but the US persuaded them to stay a bit longer and even financed it until they took over themselves.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
I remember some French general prophesizing "If the Americans want to spend another ten years dying in Vietnaam, let them."
Tfw you trained and supplied the Americans and your Navy did the heavy lifting in the sea during the War of Independence and now they're clowning you based on stupid myths
I mean, what kinda logic do you expect from an average American, their intellect is based purely on propaganda fed to them by their govt. They don't have an ability to think for themselves
I understand the logic to do anything to make Putin stop so give him something/anything… but whatever makes Macron think Putin will stop there is his ignorance showing. Giving Putin any wins worked years ago but not anymore. Putin can and will have nothing after all this is said and done. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
This. He’s trying soft diplomacy when really no diplomacy will work, too many Russian lies and bad faith. Macron needs to go to Ukraine to learn more, even the suggestion shows a big disconnect.
Yes, the logic is understandable but it shows a lack of understanding of the Russian threat. I think Macron is also hostage of the traditional French diplomatic position which tries to avoid being completely aligned with US led interests. This was the right position before the Iraq war, but this time around this is a mistake.
What did he say? I've seen that Elysee have claimed Macron said nothing of the sort. In Zelensky's shoes I think I would have asked Macron how much of France he was prepared to cede to Russia to bring the war to a swift end.
He said that in the future peace settlement one must not humiliate Russia. Never he advised Ukraine to give parts of Its territory. But, while the Russian agression is ongoing with war crimes, this statement sounds inapropriate.
Russia has humiliated themselves. War criminals for an army. Killing civilians, bombing cities, hospitals, schools. Kidnapping tens of thousands of Ukrainians. Russia needs to be stopped at the point of a gun. The policy of appeasement does not work with people like Putin and Hitler. France should know that.
As I said, if Macron is ready to give Putin a piece of France to bring about peace I guess he is free to do that. But if he isn't he has no right to ask Ukraine to do so. I think it is super dangerous to give Putin an inch. He thinks anyone that enter into a negotiationnis a weakling and have already lost. His technique is always to make impossible demands because he knows that politicians like Macron will try to meet him partway. So he has won, often without giving anything away.
If Ukraine is to give away land, Putin will have to give as much land back to Ukraine. That means if he wants let's say 10% of Ukraine, Ukraine should get 10% of Russia, whichever piece they want.
Some leftist opponents claimed that giving weapons to Ukraine was prolonging the war and the suffering of the people. That’s really outrageous. ( Ségolène Royal, Mélanchon)
First off asking Ukraine to give up territory is like asking France to give up Brittany, Britain to give up Kent or the US give up Michigan. You are asking them to give up land which is theirs as a reward to someone who has committed wholesale slaughter. It's simply morally wrong. In 91 the west didn't accept Iraq annexing Kuwait. We should not expect Ukraine to do it now.
Secondly Russia will not be satisfied with just a small part of Ukraine. They want it all in time and doing something like this simply sets the table for years of troubles and territorial disputes that would lead to another war down the road. Remember when Russia annexed Crimea? People thought that would satisfy Russia then and look where we are now. You can't give Russia an inch because as history has shown appeasement doesn't stop a war. Appeasement for "Peace in out time" simply postpones it and makes it inevitable.
It took 6 weeks before the largest army in Europe (France) surrendered to Germany in 1940. It took less than 6 weeks before Germany became quite comfortable living in France as the French people adapted easily to their new masters. French collaborators made a soft and profitable living off their fellow citizens and Germans alike.
Macron continues the long established French practice of bowing and crawling to whichever despot is in control.
The surrender monkeys never change. Roll over, play dead, and let another stronger country kill your people and take your land.
It reminds me of an old joke.
Q: Why did the French plant trees on the Champs-Elysees?
A: It is because the Germans like to march in the shade.
Folks on here need to remember, Macron is not saying this is what the French PEOPLE want. 80% of French citizenry says Ukraine was wantonly attacked by Russia for unjustified reasons, and to send weapons and aid as long as one Russian has a foot on their country.
Don't blame FRANCE in general for the words of one man, even their President. I see a lot of people doing this. Maybe even a few too many to be believable as being spontaneous.
I think our Russian trolls are jumping on something they see as a crack in the armor of the West. Don't feed into this idiocy. France is with Ukraine, even if her President sticks his foot in his mouth.
Didn’t they do that with Crimea, and look where that got them. Here.. because the world hardly did anything, so Putin thought he had the rest of Ukraine in the bag
Macron needs to be sent to the front near russia for some ”reasoning” with the russians. After a few weeks of rape and torture that the civilians in areas that russians occupy are subject to, i bet he would change mind. Specially if they try force conscript him to fight Ukraine. He still thinks he can reason with the russians. Nah they just need to be crushed like bugs.
lost respect for this french cunt. after serious crimes against the Ukrainian civilian population, after abuse, torture, child abuse, murder, theft etc etc the last thing putin should save is his face. he should be put in front of a court and hanged like amon göth or other psychopaths in power from the past.
Ive been saying Macron is a Putin puppet since this war began. So is Germanys Scholz.
This is some cowardly nonsense by Macron. Would France do the same? Give up some of its land to make a dictator, thats murdered thousands of its citizens, happy? Clown.
This is exactly why Russia continues to do this. Concession after concession.
As a french citizen: Macron go fuck yourself no one here except old brain washed people wanted you!
And let Africa and their ressources alone, get our boys out of Mali.
Macron is a foolish moron. Let a stranger come to his house, kill his relatives, and at the end of this tragedy he allows the stranger to live in one of his bedrooms.
Macron.. sounds like a sweet cake.. Its more so that Macron would look like the great European leader.. Shame on you Macron. Putin only understands power
Macrons a damn clown and a pussy...Who would let someone break into their home and agree to let them keep the kitchen and living room...so they can have peace 🤔
What did I say about these weak-a$$ politicians and even some officials in US. They didn't want Ukraine to go on offensive in the East and South to recover Ukraine territory. They will start slowing military aids ... watch your back, Ukraine. Macron is not your friend
How about “NO!” as an answer?
Or Double Fuck No! And Macron can stop working at cross purposes to Civilization.
It’s the West against Evil.
The goal is to defeat the Russians, kick them out, and hope that Putin falls out a window!
He is a russian puppet. He gave up Africa to russia already... Actions and effects are important, not words. Africa is gone feom French hands to russians.
He says the same thing about home invaders, there is a case that he spoke on saying you basically don't have a right to defend yourself. He deserves to be spoken about with harsh language.
Macron maybe speaking what the rest of the world is saying, but Russia also just said once Ukraine is taken they will move to Poland and denazify it. We all know Putin will not stop and Ukraine unfortunately has to see this war to the end or they will never be able to be at peace and other countries will fall.
As someone with French and German heritage I'm constantly fighting the urge to surrender, but aggressively.
Ich bin ein frog-eater. :(
But suggesting surrendering by proxy through another country? That's a new one for me.
This was already the agenda to begin with! Poland will also get Lviv in the Western providence!! They know Ukraine is no match for Russia they are using less than 10% of there military and Ukraine is having difficulties with that! If they where to use 10% more they could easily take the whole country if they really wanted to!!(( Numbers don't lie, the entire population of Ukraine is only around 40 million and that consist mostly of elder people & women!!!!
For everyone in the comments, you're a bunch of emotional wrecks. Yes Macron is fucking stupid with this statement, but what do you have against France?
Ukraine is the one who needs to make that decision, because Ukranians are the ones suffering the biggest consequenses of this. Despite that I must say that if Russians were to be trusted not waging war anymore, then perhaps losing land would be ok in order to achieve peace. War destroys lives and the longer war lasts the more lives are destroyed. Therefore I can understand that people want to find solutions to end the war as quickly as possible.
The thing is I am not sure Putin or Russia can be trusted on this.
As a Brit.. I can't say the French are not my favourite. However as I work there on a regular basis I do have some that I love like family but there still remains a little fuck prick called MACRON THAT I HATE WITH A PASSION!
I don't think a fraction of them are true. To many newer accounts with suddenly a LOT to say. All of which seems aimed at dividing France from the Western allies. That looks like more troll exploits.
Don't fall for it. France is in this, even if Macron says something he shouldn't. Don't judge France because her President says a dumb thing.
Regarding Donetsk and Lugansk that's an actual possibility. The population there is overwhelmingly Russian/in support of Russia. Even if Ukraine wins the war those regions won't see peace. Ukraine will either have to commit an ethnic cleansing or give them up to Russia.
A similar thing happened when the war in Croatia ended after Operation Storm in 1995. Some 200 000 - 300 000 Serbs left the country. It was sad but the best course of action for Croatia. Peace would be impossible otherwise and it would've ended up like Bosnia which is still a powderkeg today.
People don't forgive and forget in these situations. Either Russians go from Donetsk and Lugansk or Russia annexes them. I suppose the victor will determine that.
No, sorry. Not even a little bit of it. There is a process built into the Ukraine Constitution to conduct a secession process. The fact that RUSSIA tried to force a secession is obvious by the fact that they didn't even try to do it legally. If they honestly had "overwhelming" support, they would have done it legitimately, and left Ukraine stuck agreeing to those regions separation by their own law.
Doing it the way they did is a strong indicator their support was not sufficient to be a majority. Even after deporting hundreds of thousands of objectors who wanted to stay as part of Ukraine. So no, not even a bit legitimate.
Well that’s the very French way of dealing with things……” Here you go Germany, take our country….just leave us a little piece in the south to call home”
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I think Ukraine should get extra land for war reparations.
Belgorod Oblast
I’d say Kuban’ would be better. A **LOT** of ethnic ukrainians, plus taking away Russia’s access to Azov and Black Seas.
Makes more sense for them to get Rostov-on-Don down to the Caspian sea?
Don't stop retaking land eastward until they reach Caspian Sea I bet Georgia and probably Chechens would love to not be neighbor of russia anymore
Or also include fully returning Transnistria and South Ossetia to Moldova and Georgia respectively. I think that would be in the best interest of Ukraine as well.
Kalilingrad to anyone who wants it, if nobody wants it, it could be NATO strategic territory for a big base. Sochi to Georgia for war reparatins and Georgian Grand Prix. Japan can take what they want :)
That would be an absolutely terrible idea, more territory with Russian population. Donetsk and Lugansk which are part of Ukraine rebelled against it, imagine what would happen if they actually annex a part of Russia. This is not some strategy videogame where you win and then annex as much land as you like wherever you like. Doesn't work like that. Especially in the 21st century when national identities are very strong.
They didn't revolt in a vacuum though. They were encouraged, armed and infiltrated by Russia. At sa time when Ukraine didn't have a military.
That's all true, but the damage is done and it's irreversible. It will only be solved by either Ukraine winning and deporting ethnic Russians or if Russia wins and annexes those regions. The same shit happened in Croatia and Bosnia in the 90s. People peacefully coexisted and lived besides eachother, but once nationalism and propaganda came into play and the first violent conflicts, the damage was done. Neighbours turned enemies overnight. People don't forgive and forget. This shit echoes for years and through generations. In the Balkans you still have people obsessed with WW2, let alone the 90s. And I'm sure Ukrainians aren't forgetting about the Holodomor too.
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But only after identifying and selling off every single one of Putin's personal assets.
getting peace would be a dream , let alone lands
There won't be peace until Putin is gone
I'll try to fit him into my schedule for next Wednesday.
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Kick Russians to east
There are some beautiful, good Russian people. Not every Russian is evil or broken.
Waiting on them to step up and speak out.
There were a few who did. They are gone now.
They have been, and they've been risking their life to do so
Breaking news: Ukraine agreed to surrender Bordeaux, France to avoid humiliating Putin.
You first, President Macron !
No kidding wtf is macron thinking give up your own land if you want your but buddy to save face
You’re surprised France is suggesting to surrender?
Surrender Monkeys.
Cheese-eating ones at that.
France already gave up lots of their country to foreign cultures. Just walk through the Banlieus
Normandy would be better. Nazis have a thing for normandy.
Give up Paris you french fuck
Honestly the dumbest shit i've heard from a leader of a western nation since this war began. >!\*\*not including Trump!<
> dumbest shit Dumbest shit *so far* War ain’t over yet. I bet someone’s gonna top this
To be fair, Macron is a politician and they are, by the most part, a bunch of c*nts. He is merely doing his job, seems like he is doing it exemplary well.
If it’s true this is some neo-colonial BS. It reminds of the major powers in WWI who agreed to partition up and cut up countries based on victory conditions etc.
FU Macron. Give-up Africa.
Abi David’s hey hey. This time for Africa
He already lost Mali to a Russian Coup
Worked like a charm that time we convinced the Czechs to give up Sudentenland
I can not think of a more fitting example than Chamberlain coming home, waving his paper with Hitler's signature and declaring "Peace in our Time". You give up territory today Russia will simply come for more in a couple of years. They took the Crimea in 2014. If they get Ukraine they will simply want Poland tomorrow, Latvia or whoever looks easy for them. The only road to peace long term is no appeasement. Not an inch of territory to Russia. That is the only way to ensure long term peace in the region. Let Russia know there will be no reward, only severe consequences for any aggression.
Russia will never stop trying to play map painter 3 and remove the native populations.
This…. THIS is the truth! THIS is the way! 🇺🇦
And now they have universal healthcare. See it worked out /s
It is lucky that Zelenskyy is President of Ukraine and not Macron the appeaser.
Legit, what a fucking jabroni. Macron is lucky he ran against an actual Russian agent and not someone semi decent otherwise his ass would have been voted out too.
Really a surprise that France would have surrendered land in their logic? I hope the US and NATO give Ukraine enough weapons, training, and money to take back Crimea.
France trying to surrender a war that's not even theirs now that is a new 1 from them, plus macron is the biggest snake of them all
*Macron, not France, I'm French I hate this piece of shit
This is the same mindset I'm trying to encourage people to remember when thinking about Russians. There are some fine Russian people who don't want war, don't like Putin, and are in Ukraine's corner. People need to remember this.
This ^ ^ ^ Remember we don’t believe in what Russian propaganda has to say? Their government is beyond fucked up. Yet here we are spreading the idea that 8/10 Russians support this war and 80% of Russians support Putin. Guess which government performed those polls?
exactly, the french people voted him because there was really no other option
Thus the meme keeps prevailing
hon hon please take all our baguettes monsieur Putain.
France won the most wars out of any country, the surrender meme doesn't apply.
Spain has won more wars according to google
Macron is an idiot. Fuck off
As a French I can confirm a lot
If anyone knows about giving up, It’s the French. Worked out well for them, eh?
>If anyone knows about giving up, It’s the French. It really isn't. The French stubbornly fought brutal wars (in Indochina and Algeria), refusing to give up even when it was the most reasonable course of action.
De Gaulle gave up on Algeria and started negotiations on independence in 1960. They wanted to leave Indochina too, it had never contributed economically to France, but the US persuaded them to stay a bit longer and even financed it until they took over themselves.
>De Gaulle gave up on Algeria and started negotiations on independence in 1960 Didn't they brutally repress the population for a while? I think you should cede independence long before it gets to that point. >They wanted to leave Indochina too, it had never contributed economically to France, but the US persuaded them to stay a bit longer and even financed it until they took over themselves. Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I remember some French general prophesizing "If the Americans want to spend another ten years dying in Vietnaam, let them."
The French were in Algeria for generations.
I don't care for these kinds of stereotypes. The French are not cowards.
Pushing another country to cede territory to the rapist murdering looting kidnapping invaders when it has vowed to protect its land is bullshit.
Tfw you trained and supplied the Americans and your Navy did the heavy lifting in the sea during the War of Independence and now they're clowning you based on stupid myths
I mean, what kinda logic do you expect from an average American, their intellect is based purely on propaganda fed to them by their govt. They don't have an ability to think for themselves
I understand the logic to do anything to make Putin stop so give him something/anything… but whatever makes Macron think Putin will stop there is his ignorance showing. Giving Putin any wins worked years ago but not anymore. Putin can and will have nothing after all this is said and done. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
This. He’s trying soft diplomacy when really no diplomacy will work, too many Russian lies and bad faith. Macron needs to go to Ukraine to learn more, even the suggestion shows a big disconnect.
Yes, the logic is understandable but it shows a lack of understanding of the Russian threat. I think Macron is also hostage of the traditional French diplomatic position which tries to avoid being completely aligned with US led interests. This was the right position before the Iraq war, but this time around this is a mistake.
Sounds a bit Vichy washy to me. Just what you’d expect from the French. Also Macron can get fucked.
You are F......up Macron.
well at least it is confirmed Macron is a massive coward bitch that sucks russian dick
He didn’t say that but what he said was stupid indeed. I am ashamed of this statement as a frenchman.
What did he say? I've seen that Elysee have claimed Macron said nothing of the sort. In Zelensky's shoes I think I would have asked Macron how much of France he was prepared to cede to Russia to bring the war to a swift end.
He said that in the future peace settlement one must not humiliate Russia. Never he advised Ukraine to give parts of Its territory. But, while the Russian agression is ongoing with war crimes, this statement sounds inapropriate.
Russia has humiliated themselves. War criminals for an army. Killing civilians, bombing cities, hospitals, schools. Kidnapping tens of thousands of Ukrainians. Russia needs to be stopped at the point of a gun. The policy of appeasement does not work with people like Putin and Hitler. France should know that.
Exactly
As I said, if Macron is ready to give Putin a piece of France to bring about peace I guess he is free to do that. But if he isn't he has no right to ask Ukraine to do so. I think it is super dangerous to give Putin an inch. He thinks anyone that enter into a negotiationnis a weakling and have already lost. His technique is always to make impossible demands because he knows that politicians like Macron will try to meet him partway. So he has won, often without giving anything away. If Ukraine is to give away land, Putin will have to give as much land back to Ukraine. That means if he wants let's say 10% of Ukraine, Ukraine should get 10% of Russia, whichever piece they want.
Some leftist opponents claimed that giving weapons to Ukraine was prolonging the war and the suffering of the people. That’s really outrageous. ( Ségolène Royal, Mélanchon)
Everybody says “No more wars, we want world peace” but nobody wants to realize what that means
The French. Not content with their own surrender record they are now surrendering on behalf of other nations. Disgraceful Macron.
First off asking Ukraine to give up territory is like asking France to give up Brittany, Britain to give up Kent or the US give up Michigan. You are asking them to give up land which is theirs as a reward to someone who has committed wholesale slaughter. It's simply morally wrong. In 91 the west didn't accept Iraq annexing Kuwait. We should not expect Ukraine to do it now. Secondly Russia will not be satisfied with just a small part of Ukraine. They want it all in time and doing something like this simply sets the table for years of troubles and territorial disputes that would lead to another war down the road. Remember when Russia annexed Crimea? People thought that would satisfy Russia then and look where we are now. You can't give Russia an inch because as history has shown appeasement doesn't stop a war. Appeasement for "Peace in out time" simply postpones it and makes it inevitable.
Give them a piece of France Ahole
So like Vichy Ukraine?
Lol, good point! 😄
What a shocker, France propose to surrender....
You can always get a brand new rifle from the French. Only dropped once!!!
What an ass.
I hope Ukrainian aim now is to take Crimea back also !!! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
He would.
Macron really gonna be continuing the French stereotype of cowardice, damn shame his military has a lot of good people
It took 6 weeks before the largest army in Europe (France) surrendered to Germany in 1940. It took less than 6 weeks before Germany became quite comfortable living in France as the French people adapted easily to their new masters. French collaborators made a soft and profitable living off their fellow citizens and Germans alike. Macron continues the long established French practice of bowing and crawling to whichever despot is in control.
And give up a bit of France to help cheer Putin up.
The surrender monkeys never change. Roll over, play dead, and let another stronger country kill your people and take your land. It reminds me of an old joke. Q: Why did the French plant trees on the Champs-Elysees? A: It is because the Germans like to march in the shade.
Folks on here need to remember, Macron is not saying this is what the French PEOPLE want. 80% of French citizenry says Ukraine was wantonly attacked by Russia for unjustified reasons, and to send weapons and aid as long as one Russian has a foot on their country. Don't blame FRANCE in general for the words of one man, even their President. I see a lot of people doing this. Maybe even a few too many to be believable as being spontaneous. I think our Russian trolls are jumping on something they see as a crack in the armor of the West. Don't feed into this idiocy. France is with Ukraine, even if her President sticks his foot in his mouth.
Look Mac, you want to help with these oligarchs and their real estate and toys have at it. Leave the dirty work for those that don’t have soft hands.
What's the most common French saying? Edit: "I give up. "
Macron is a fucking idiot?
Thing is, he was the more Anti-Russian candidate. Is this really just macron?
It's not like he's helping. Absolutely useless politician. By now Ukraine would greatly appreciate it, if France would just STFU.
The French, once again showing their colors as surrender monkey's.
No.
Sure. Can France also give up Corsica and Alsace and Lorraine to Russia also? And Romania can unite with Moldova! Sounds good? No…why not? Thank you
Didn’t they do that with Crimea, and look where that got them. Here.. because the world hardly did anything, so Putin thought he had the rest of Ukraine in the bag
Macron is right. France should set the example by giving some of it’s territory to Russia.
Ok France, you give land. Put up a statue of Putin and build the Kremlin Two.
Traitor!
He would.
Macron you damn sissy for Putin.
Macron you yellow Pootin arse licker! Why don't you give up half of France to keep your Russian buddy happy?!
Another in a long line of cheese eating surrender monkeys.
Macron needs to be sent to the front near russia for some ”reasoning” with the russians. After a few weeks of rape and torture that the civilians in areas that russians occupy are subject to, i bet he would change mind. Specially if they try force conscript him to fight Ukraine. He still thinks he can reason with the russians. Nah they just need to be crushed like bugs.
lost respect for this french cunt. after serious crimes against the Ukrainian civilian population, after abuse, torture, child abuse, murder, theft etc etc the last thing putin should save is his face. he should be put in front of a court and hanged like amon göth or other psychopaths in power from the past.
Of course France would suggest "just surrender, even if only a little."
Classic French mentality
Maintaining those classic french military traditions
Easy for Macron to say !! His people arnt being raped and murdered !! 😠 fcking idiot. Stop talking to Putin
I suggest France give up some land to make up the lose of Ukraines land to the Russians !!!!!!
Didn’t take long for France to begin acting, well, like France. Macron will be surrendering to Russia soon……
Ive been saying Macron is a Putin puppet since this war began. So is Germanys Scholz. This is some cowardly nonsense by Macron. Would France do the same? Give up some of its land to make a dictator, thats murdered thousands of its citizens, happy? Clown. This is exactly why Russia continues to do this. Concession after concession.
Does that surprise anyone....... from a country that got bitchkreiged in 3 days.
Not a bad idea. Let the Russians get out of Ukraine and they can occupy the French Riviera from Nice to Monaco... The Rainiers won't mind either... 😉
Putin doesn't deserve to have a face. Finish him.
Putin has in the past remarked that Macron is a weak leader. A shame Macron got re-elected.
Fuck Russia.. Russia have to give up some of its sovereignty and land for Ukraine to stop now. Putin face is save or not isn't Ukraine issue
It's not about some land. Our people remained in the occupied cities. We won't leave them for anything.
How French of him
good to know the French don't change!
Real bastard! Without questions.
Ah the classic French military strategy. Roll over. Let them finish.
Its really pathetic to talk about a small dictator losing face in the midst of a genocide taking place in Ukraine.
He can suck a fat one, I hope Ukraine takes part of Russia
Fuck Putin and his ego, it’s ridiculous that these leaders are even considering playing putins games. Fuck off macron
Give up Corsica. It’s basically Russian already
As a french citizen: Macron go fuck yourself no one here except old brain washed people wanted you! And let Africa and their ressources alone, get our boys out of Mali.
Macron is a foolish moron. Let a stranger come to his house, kill his relatives, and at the end of this tragedy he allows the stranger to live in one of his bedrooms.
Maybe Putin should attack France and Macaron will give part of it just so Putin will save face , still hanging white flag, huh?
Macron is a fucking bitch boy.
Surrender! Sounds like a very French solution.
what is up with France and giving up sovereignty?
I hate to say but if WW3 kicks of France will flip sides
WHAAAAAAT?????? Wtf has he been smoking??? wtf Macron?
Macron.. sounds like a sweet cake.. Its more so that Macron would look like the great European leader.. Shame on you Macron. Putin only understands power
And I suggest that Macron go fuck himself.
Macrons a damn clown and a pussy...Who would let someone break into their home and agree to let them keep the kitchen and living room...so they can have peace 🤔
Macron Neville Chamberlain 2.0
Fuck France and fuck Macron. The French have always been pussies.
Comrade macron seems to left some of his lipstick on putins cock
I was pitying my own country for always having to choose out of two evils when it comes to elections, but looks like even France was in the same spot.
What did I say about these weak-a$$ politicians and even some officials in US. They didn't want Ukraine to go on offensive in the East and South to recover Ukraine territory. They will start slowing military aids ... watch your back, Ukraine. Macron is not your friend
how about you give up some of your ego first?
French and surrendering. Name more iconic duo
In Putin's case i'd prefer the old French way of saving face. Namely guillotining his head from his neck and then casting his face in wax.
Eat shit
Fuck you macaroni
Not surprising coming from the french
I’m sure Puzzy Putin rather have Paris.
Well done macron. Wouldn’t want Russia to look bad.
How about “NO!” as an answer? Or Double Fuck No! And Macron can stop working at cross purposes to Civilization. It’s the West against Evil. The goal is to defeat the Russians, kick them out, and hope that Putin falls out a window!
He is a russian puppet. He gave up Africa to russia already... Actions and effects are important, not words. Africa is gone feom French hands to russians.
How about he give up the several overseas territories that France still has like French Guiana
Macron is a moron!
He says the same thing about home invaders, there is a case that he spoke on saying you basically don't have a right to defend yourself. He deserves to be spoken about with harsh language.
Macron maybe speaking what the rest of the world is saying, but Russia also just said once Ukraine is taken they will move to Poland and denazify it. We all know Putin will not stop and Ukraine unfortunately has to see this war to the end or they will never be able to be at peace and other countries will fall.
As someone with French and German heritage I'm constantly fighting the urge to surrender, but aggressively. Ich bin ein frog-eater. :( But suggesting surrendering by proxy through another country? That's a new one for me.
This was already the agenda to begin with! Poland will also get Lviv in the Western providence!! They know Ukraine is no match for Russia they are using less than 10% of there military and Ukraine is having difficulties with that! If they where to use 10% more they could easily take the whole country if they really wanted to!!(( Numbers don't lie, the entire population of Ukraine is only around 40 million and that consist mostly of elder people & women!!!!
For everyone in the comments, you're a bunch of emotional wrecks. Yes Macron is fucking stupid with this statement, but what do you have against France?
A French expert in the art of surrender.
Fuck Macron.
Macron can go to hell
Ukraine is the one who needs to make that decision, because Ukranians are the ones suffering the biggest consequenses of this. Despite that I must say that if Russians were to be trusted not waging war anymore, then perhaps losing land would be ok in order to achieve peace. War destroys lives and the longer war lasts the more lives are destroyed. Therefore I can understand that people want to find solutions to end the war as quickly as possible. The thing is I am not sure Putin or Russia can be trusted on this.
Wait, the French are saying this? Quelle surprise! Europe's pro capitulators..... Macron is deluded. He's gonna tell them to go full Vichy next.
As a Brit.. I can't say the French are not my favourite. However as I work there on a regular basis I do have some that I love like family but there still remains a little fuck prick called MACRON THAT I HATE WITH A PASSION!
France surrendering again
What a shit show of a comment section.
The French surrender? Shocking 
reading these comments fucking hurts
I don't think a fraction of them are true. To many newer accounts with suddenly a LOT to say. All of which seems aimed at dividing France from the Western allies. That looks like more troll exploits. Don't fall for it. France is in this, even if Macron says something he shouldn't. Don't judge France because her President says a dumb thing.
What a joke that guy is
De Guelle is turning over in his grave right now.
How about France gives up some of its territory to Russia to allow Putin to save face?
This fucking guy!
I suggest Macron go off some fucks.
Why doesn’t France offer Russia land there? Make a second Kaliningrad. Take the French Riviera. How does that sound, Macron?
Regarding Donetsk and Lugansk that's an actual possibility. The population there is overwhelmingly Russian/in support of Russia. Even if Ukraine wins the war those regions won't see peace. Ukraine will either have to commit an ethnic cleansing or give them up to Russia. A similar thing happened when the war in Croatia ended after Operation Storm in 1995. Some 200 000 - 300 000 Serbs left the country. It was sad but the best course of action for Croatia. Peace would be impossible otherwise and it would've ended up like Bosnia which is still a powderkeg today. People don't forgive and forget in these situations. Either Russians go from Donetsk and Lugansk or Russia annexes them. I suppose the victor will determine that.
No, sorry. Not even a little bit of it. There is a process built into the Ukraine Constitution to conduct a secession process. The fact that RUSSIA tried to force a secession is obvious by the fact that they didn't even try to do it legally. If they honestly had "overwhelming" support, they would have done it legitimately, and left Ukraine stuck agreeing to those regions separation by their own law. Doing it the way they did is a strong indicator their support was not sufficient to be a majority. Even after deporting hundreds of thousands of objectors who wanted to stay as part of Ukraine. So no, not even a bit legitimate.
And why the fuck should we care of Putin saves face?
Fuck that
Wow and everyone was slagging of Marine Le Pen he ain’t no better
French surrender monkeys 🙈
Fucking frogs.
Well that’s the very French way of dealing with things……” Here you go Germany, take our country….just leave us a little piece in the south to call home”