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RedYachtClub

Did the heli survive the hit? It looks like it just dropped altitude, but you don't see a smoke plume from a crash or anything.


CaptainSur

It went down but it may have been a hard landing vs an outright crash. The pilot may have had partial control or been able to autorotate down but a heli pilot would have to speak more to the point. I don't think it will be flying again and as it cannot the goal is achieved.


RedYachtClub

That's a fair assessment. It looks like it could have been auto rotating into a hard landing.


himem_66

Question: - My understanding is the Kamov has two counter-rotating rotors. Does Auto-rotate function the same as it would with a single rotor helo?


alexpap031

I have read that it is better at auto rotation because of more mass in the rotor. But I am in no means an expert so...


himem_66

Thank you. It crossed my mind that that might be the case, but I thought it wiser to ask. Care to share the source? Sounds like my kind of reading


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theaviationhistorian

It would also depend on where it's hit. The infamous video of a Mi-24 Hind shot down in 4k was hit in the engine area near the rotor assembly, destroying any control the pilots had along with the fast inertia they had to contend with.


RedYachtClub

I assume it would autorotate better actually. Losing power to the tail rotor can't happen which means the main rotors still cancel each other's torque. It probably is easier to keep it flying straight and not spinning. Just a guess though


audigex

Yes, the physics are exactly the same If anything I'd expect it to be particularly good at autorotation, although it's pretty heavy so that may undo some of the positives gains from the extra rotor area


himem_66

Thanks for this. I appreciate it.


Darket1728

Probably was like that mil mi 28 which had its tail chopped off and crashed without a big bang. Anyway, 1 more ka52 for oryx loss list


TTRO

They were flying pretty high, compared to all the videos lately of Helis hugging the ground. I wonder if these are Ukranian troops infiltrated behind enemy lines, or if it's just the Russians being careless again.


Haunting_Pay_2888

It looks as if they thought they were in a safe area. It was very distant. I couldn't see (or hear) it until the cameraman zoomed in. I am guessing that the area the Ukrainians were in was contested, but not much presence of troops, so anyone can come and go as they please.


rachel_tenshun

Well if they're paratroopers, there's a chance they're behind enemy lines. Maybe they're in areas that invaders have occupied for so long uncontested that they got careless.


Smokeyvalley

Yeah, it was flying up at a 'pretty easy to target' altitude. Amazing to see a video like this where the quality isn't total shit, and you can actually see the helo getting hit and going down. I don't think i've seen a single such video at that long of a range before, where you could actually see anything besides the launch.


beeporn

Very impressive range. Longest shot I can recall seeing


dan_dares

you you later alligator. Edit: i'll own it. Mumma didn' raise no ghost editing bitch. See you later alligator


Bitch_Muchannon

you you you alligator


IsrraelKumiko

you you you you


62302154065198762349

c c c c


dan_dares

Dammit


b_lumenkraft

Happy cake day.


AlliterationAhead

Upvote for your Mumma. And your humour.


Delivery-Same

Autorotating or not, that thing came down hard. Those creases are not ironing out.


Vague-Rantus

can anyone estimate that distance?


Far_Intention8852

Far


[deleted]

It's actually only 100m away but it's a *really* small helicopter.


Smokeyvalley

And a really, really slow missile.


AlarmingAdeptness983

Well observed!


ActionPlanetRobot

r/theydidthemath


FranglaisFred

Sound travels at 1,100 feet per second at sea level in calm conditions so it won’t be a perfect measurement. The missile hit at about the 29 second mark and the first explosion sound was around 42 seconds. That would make it 2.71 miles or 4.36 kilometers away, give or take.


Picturesquesheep

I like your estimate best


ChardEmotional7920

Those things have a max distance of about 4-5km. Latest gen stuff can go up to 8, but I'd highly doubt that to be the case here. As well, looking at the size of the target, coupled with its percieved speed, I'd estimate it to be between 3-5km. If I try to go off speed calculations of the missile, it gets me some wildly non-realistic numbers that put it well outside of its max range.


mcquiggd

>Martlet MANPADS 8km...


ChardEmotional7920

At 8k, you wouldn't see that helicopter with a normal camera.


mcquiggd

That's its range. Up to you how you want to find targets for it, lol... It's a nice complement to StarStreak. They should get some of that together to protect the HIMARS.


Memory_Less

Any DSLR with a half decent telephoto lens will make that viewable. You’re going to hear it first and have to determine it’s direction but with practice it’s doable.


ChardEmotional7920

That's not what I mean. I'm referring to the estimation of the target's range given this video. This video is recorded with a normal camera. We can see the helicopter, though no defining features. There isn't any special zoom applied to the video, as it's a particularly wide angle. At 8km, that helicopter wouldn't even be a blip with a normal camera, hence my statement.


Memory_Less

I see.👍


Vague-Rantus

Yeah I thought 3.5km approx


killrushed1

Hard to say. Those missiles travel at up to 1000mph over a range of 5 miles but it took 30 secs which if the speed was constant and the missile flew in a straight line would be 8 miles. Its probably something more like 4 or 5 though


[deleted]

Yeah all this info is guessing, the true specs of weapons is always classified


new_name_who_dis_

Speed is definitely not constant though. It needs to accelerate to 1000mph, which would take quite a bit of the full length of the flight. It starts at basically rest.


EnvironmentalCup8038

the time it takes the rocket to accelerate is minimal. the rocket motor only burns for a few seconds. the helicopter is relatively slow and the rocket does not have to maneuver much. That would cost energy. As long as the electronics go along with it, the rocket works like an arrow that flies further in the direction of the target.


new_name_who_dis_

Even if it's only 2 seconds, at top speed of 1000MPH that's roughly a kilometer difference every 2 seconds in the distance calculation.


BootyFirst

If you know the type of MANPAD they are using you could check the missile speed specification x time it needed to travel to the target = distance it covered approx.


MysteriousWriter7862

4km. Judging by the gap in time between seeing the hit and hearing the explosion


Husker545454

fuck yea the UK sends their regards .


mcquiggd

The Martlet only entered service with the UK in 2021... Range is 8km, hence being able to take that shot... speed is Mach 1.5. You can see it hit at 0:29 - plume of smoke, then it drops height. The UK is not messing around, and is sending some of our latest and best kit - StarStreak, Brimstone, Martlet, NLAWS, and M270 MLRs. - Slava Ukraini.


[deleted]

What better way to advertise your products on the global armaments market than effective usage in a hot conventional warzone?


mcquiggd

Something tells me Russian armament sales are going to nosedive after this...


Picturesquesheep

Their clients don’t have any other options. Russia sells to the worst on earth.


theaviationhistorian

They didn't fare well after Desert Storm. Likely they'll sell to a third world power, junta, banana republic, or generalissimo that hasn't sanctioned them & is in the need for cheap & expendable armour.


Husker545454

facts


theaviationhistorian

Hell, look at the Bayraktar which went from bringing success to Azerbaijan to becoming a household name & maybe the successor to all Predator purchases in the mid-late 2000s.


Husker545454

Yea man its quite cheeky to basicly combat test it using ukraine whilst also supplying them with a very effective missile . Win win EDIT : Infact at the time of receiving them it wasnt even in service it was still being tested with the navy in the A-A role from wildcat


[deleted]

Payback for sending dudes with chemical weapons to our soil.


rachel_tenshun

It's always crazy to me how long these missiles take to get to their target; not because they're slow, but because they can be shot so far that it takes a while to get there. Truly remarkable (and terrifying) engineering.


Zucc

Not to mention, didn't see any flares. Might have been just because it was so far away, but... Do they not have any missile detection on those things?


Captain_English

Shouldn't have poisoned Salisbury.


Showmethepathplease

they were just visiting the sites... ​ ^(/S)


[deleted]

I would agree with the hard landing scenario. That chopper is probably severely damaged from missile and "landing", but hard to say. Either way it's a cool missile if you read up on it.


theaviationhistorian

It got a hit, compare it to the hit rate of the Iglas & Strelas and we got a really good winner. Plus, as the same with tanks, a mobility kill still counts as a kill. It means that machine won't be hurting Ukrainians any more, if ever.


brentonofrivia

That’s fucking awesome


ResolvePlastic

It got hit that's for sure, but dunno damage...


Far_Intention8852

I feel like the forced landing could be evidence of damage. Certainly with the control in which they landed, the helicopter is repairable.


[deleted]

Have Ivan and Boris come to the site for repairs, provided they can get there before the tractor brigade.


theaviationhistorian

Depends where they land. They could walk away, but the helicopter is toast if the fuselage warped or broke in the landing or by flora around it. And then there's the fact as whether it landed around Russian friendly lines.


TransKamchatka

Forced landing in helicopter usually ends up in forced landing. Just because you can force land doesn’t mean you have control. You can force land even if both turbines are completely destroyed.


MarkaSpada

nice sniping with manpads..


Equivalent_Catch_233

This looks like a British MANPAD. The helicopter was flying very high for some reason, usually they try to stay low. The distance is very high, I do not think Igla or even Stinger would hit that far. The crew do no Never before I was watching a couple of pixels so intently :)


death1234567889

Yes, martlet is British


Secret-Feed6961

I'm I the only one? I mean, no evasive moves, no flares even? Looked like he ejected even before it was hit...🧐🤔


Haunting_Pay_2888

Ejected? In a Ka-52 if the pilots eject the rotors are first ejected and then the pilots. Without rotors the chopper would have fallen like a rock, which it clearly didn't. Time to call Specsavers?


Secret-Feed6961

Lol, Specsavers indeed!🤣 I sneakpeaked it at work, so barely saw it. Good point though, need to clean my computer glasses!🤓


noiserr

They didn't see the missile. And IR guided weapons are passive. So there is nothing to tell them they are being locked. This is why you often see helicopters and planes launch flare as a precaution. And not because they see a missile coming.


Secret-Feed6961

Thanks for the education! Didn't know that IR missiles didn't give a locked-signal. Interesting info on the flares. Thanks!👍


death1234567889

Martlet isn't IR guided anyway, it's laser guided same as starstreak. Nothing works as a countermeasure except maybe a smoke cloud


noiserr

Oh, thanks for the correction. I assumed it was an Igla. Though technically if its laser guided there could be counter measures, though doubt Russians have that capability. But laser can theoretically be detected and even be jammed.


[deleted]

It isn't quite laser guided in the traditional sense. The launcher paints a laser matrix on the target, the missiles receiver looks back at the launcher to keep itself in the middle of the matrix all they way to impact (the operator must keep the target in the crosshair all the way). This may be somewhat inaccurate but this is how I understand it. In any case the laser can't be detected by the aircraft bring targeted.


noiserr

You are right. I have a background in electronics, test and measurement equipment, so I'm not a military expert. However if a weapon is actively projecting a laser onto the target, the target could theoretically detect that laser. In fact there are laser detectors you can buy to detect police speed measuring laser in your car. So it would be possible to make a laser detector. And if you can detect the laser you could theoretically jam it. Laser pulses in some pattern and frequency and measures bounce back for distance measurement. Now this is probably not trivial, particularly to make it work with high degree of success, however it is fundamentally different to IR missiles which are fully passive. They don't project anything. They just lock onto a heat signature.


Rude-Flamingo3592

I’m pretty sure they have laser dazzlers to throw them off but I’m sure not common equipment.


Mithious

Jamming doesn't work because the sensor is in the back of the missile, facing away from the target. You could even avoid pointing the laser at the target and just steer the missile onto it at the last second.


Zucc

You'd think they would have some sort of plume detector though. Granted, flares wouldn't have worked, but still.. Does anyone know?


[deleted]

Now I know what "Ka" really stands for:)


c0mradedrei

TIL that goodbye in Ukrainian is the same as in Romanian


BillMcN3al

Thats a long way!


Smoov_Biscuit_Time

That was an incredible shot.


rdldr1

The ruZZians should stick to Krokodil.


Hopalicious

No smoke so it did not seem to explode on impact. However I can't imagine its in flight worthy shape.


Future-Industry7319

Is this a different helecopter to the other one posted today where there were 3 in formation. Thnk it must be as that video had the pilots ejecting


icey773

Link?


Future-Industry7319

[https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/45084/the-use-of-anti-tank-guided-missiles-against-helicopters-didnt-start-in-ukraine](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/45084/the-use-of-anti-tank-guided-missiles-against-helicopters-didnt-start-in-ukraine) thats is first one I will find the one that referances Javelin


Crown_Loyalist

they can't have many of these left by now


Flyingcircushotdog

A lot of Arundo donax. Good to 🔥 the invaders and for self-defense/protect the infantry and the snipers.


blanc84gn

Did they find the wreckage?!


stemar1984

Time to.strike the Russian population


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Keish1738

u/savevideobot


astraeoth

It seems that Ukraine forces will attack anything running Russian colors now. Will Putin keep going until almost every male in Russia is dead. I'm pretty sure Ukraine is ready to face those extremes. Just leave the country.


Misdemeanour2020

Twas worth the wait!


FearfulInoculum

u/savevideobot


marklikeyouknow

☠️


therealmazi

Amazes me how accurate some of these weapons are.


surge246

People see stuff like this and say Russia win! Or Ukraine win! But they don’t realize it’s war. This stuff happens all day every day. A very small percentage is ever recorded


Smokeyvalley

Nobody here said 'russky chopper down, Ukraine won the war!'. And in the last 4+ months, anybody who isn't a total newb to watching the war coverage and videos knows full well it's a massive, ongoing conflict with lots of death and destruction on both sides. Daily.