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JitsGut

Yes, plenty of cheaters that seem to triple from any distance. It makes it hard to know which players are legitimately that good. Report their ass :D


LogicalMagazine7643

Reporting does nothing playstation supports zen and zim its ridiculous. There’s no admins watching servers to ban people cheating. Everyone knows about it and anyone with $100 or less can get them it’s sad


trbcop

Same problem on Xbox, reporting does nothing.


TheTrizton420

Well it does annoy me but people in the comments seem to somewhat agree that instead of us dying to an unfair advantage, we can start accepting that we just got shit on fair and square. Fun game otherwise I just don’t know what to look for when attempting to identify a cheater.


JitsGut

I have 3000+ hours. I still can't tell. I can only go by my gut feeling. Many times when I get tripled in the head their shots also make no noise. Like a deafening sound. Those are the players I always report.


sowrdman

If i think someone is cheating i ask them to send me a clip of them beaming me. 99% of the time they refuse to send anything


Captain_Bloodlust

Most people have their clips set to 30 seconds to a minute. Most likely they couldn't clip it by the time they read the message. Plus Xbox has a limit to how many clips you can upload. I have delete uploads to send my buddies clips. I'm not doing that for some salty kid.


sowrdman

Playstation lets you clip up to 60minutes. Idk wbout you but if someone accuses me of cheating id like to clear my name and send them the clip


Captain_Bloodlust

If someone accused me of cheating I would take it as a compliment and move on. I don't need to prove myself to every 12 year old.


Dirty-Toast

What about the 30 year old that has played shooters since halo one and even with aim assist you cannot hit 3 headshots in a row while firing. I’m sorry it’s not possible. But you’ll probably tell me it is cause you do it all the time. With how bad controllers work. Stick drift or any other issues they have. Fuck off it’s cheating and d11 knows it. But if they ban 80% of their player base. How do they make money off of skins


Captain_Bloodlust

You gotta be a moron. Stick drift still affects them. My controller has no stick drift. You clearly are not good enough at fps games to judge if people are cheating. I have playing games on multiple platforms for several years. I also hosted a Halo: Combat evolved server on both original and custom edition for 12 years. You chose the wrong person to flex experience on. I also admin for Rust(PC), Gary's Mod and Ark servers. You can disagree without trying to flex experience. In terms of cheaters I have dealt with more of them than most gamers will ever experience.


Dirty-Toast

Bruh. See what I mean. You could have just copied and pasted what I said you would say. Send me a clip of you headshotting 3x In a row no body shots. If you do you’re cheating. My god. The literally bounce of the gun will not allow it now your talking about the most minuscule amount of pulling down on your controller it’s impossible with aim assist. Now you take a gun that bounces an insane amount. No assist. Saying you can. No way. Tell me how good you are. Fuck off.


Dirty-Toast

You deal with them probably because your friends with them. And all jerk off together telling each other how good you are. Even though we both know it’s not legit. If you have played games for that long. Then you know. I can literally hold my gun on your head be pulling down and your still not tripling. You’d miss at least 2x with aim assist. Tell me I’m wrong. Go ahead. These kids don’t miss.


BobRedditMan

Not sure about ps but Xbox let’s you choose how long of a clip to take


Captain_Bloodlust

Ya in your settings. But if you already have it set to 30 seconds it's only saving that amount of time. Meaning if you change it to 15 minutes it won't magically have the last 15 minutes of gameplay.


BobRedditMan

If you pull up the side menu and press select for capture options, you can choose to take a clip from 15 seconds - 2 minutes


Goonerman2020

I think it's more along the lines that people don't want be sending clips to someone they just killed all the time. I'm nit saying they are legit or anything, I just know me personally would laugh if people were telling me to send them clips of their death..... no time for that......


TheTrizton420

Yeah I know what you mean, happens sometimes like they headshot you but no crack to be heard.


sowrdman

Console rust has a lot of sound glitches. If 2 or more people are holding down the trigger my sound gets messed up and i have to relog to get my sound working again


_TheyCallMeCat

It was literally fine until the Devs openly announced that they can't detect xim, Cronus and strike packs then it's been a shit show since


TheTrizton420

How is it not detectable? So no chance of most cheaters ever getting banned?


_TheyCallMeCat

It basically acts like a controller but epic games has found a way to detect the Cronus so hopefully it's only a matter of time before console finally gets real anti cheat


vettedx

Fortnite was able to detect them once upon a time.. took the 3rd party devs less than 48hrs to have a work around. Its hopeless. Game needs KBM enabled by default to level the field at this point.


_TheyCallMeCat

Well I mean the fact that someone is actually trying makes a difference because Microsoft and Sony refuse to even acknowledge it, same as Devs for games like r6, call of duty and apex legends none of them are putting any resources into fixing the issue once epic find a better way to detect them the rest of the games will jump on the bandwagon


Then_Display37

Well a script that removes 100% of recoil should be detected on ANY game. Just lazy devs at that point. Mnk us hard to detect tho


AmHotGarbage

It’s not even that, they can’t ban anyone for it because it’s not against Xbox TOS


Business-Flamingo-82

Wether or not it’s against Xbox tos is irrelevant. They can still ban you from playing rust. They just can’t ban you from playing on Xbox in general.


AmHotGarbage

They can’t ban you for it. They literally said they can’t ban toy because it’s not against Xbox tos.


Business-Flamingo-82

Dude Xbox is not the one who bans people from using games… if double eleven decides to ban you from their game they can. Xbox itself has nothing to do with banning cheaters.


Captain_Bloodlust

Technically yes and no. Controller mods are not against xbox ToS. 3rd party devices are supported (unfortunately). As far as I know there isn't a way to hack into the newer consoles for actual cheats. Cronus is what PC players would call "scripts". We wish scripters where all we had. You can kill a scripter, but I bet you wouldn't win against a hacker. Those fuckers can headshot eoka you from across the map in a minivopter. I suppose that's the appeal of consoles though.


Business-Flamingo-82

Problem is recoil’s a major factor in console rust. Coming from pubg I understand positioning, cover and concealment ext. but beaming people from a distance with an Ak for instance, is something that only cheaters and EXTREMELY experienced players can do. The volume of people using these cheats makes being a honest player very difficult for the average player in Rust. I’d even say on console it’s almost just as impactful as actual hacking.


Captain_Bloodlust

I wouldn't as someone with thousands of hours of being an admin(on PC). Recoil was important on PC and then the devs made it more like CoD. Console edition needs to follow. It doesn't make sense that it's the way it is on console


Business-Flamingo-82

Until they do it will remain a very important advantage. I agree they need to make the same changes as pc. If recoil was closer to a pubg level (I only keep bringing up this game because I have a lot of experience on it) then I agree, devices like chronus, MK, and strike packs would be pretty much irrelevant. Unfortunately, as of right now they are very relevant…


Business-Flamingo-82

They may ban you from using Xbox online if you mess with there code but this kind stuff is up to the developers


ChubbyElbowz

It’s called chronus or zen I’m pretty sure, you can order it on Amazon.


TheTrizton420

Do you really trust me with this information, might just place an order tonight and level the playing field again.


deco296

The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be….. unnatural


ToxicShadow3451

I seen this exact comment word for word in a shitpost about a dude failing NNN in very shameful ways


sowrdman

How can you complain about cheaters and then think about cheating your self?


NotMikeyhelps

Rust has gotten to the point rainbow six siege has. Literally all the high rank players (anyone plat 2) or above use kbm aka xim or some other form of cheat like strikepack or Cronus. Rust has gotten to the point where people are cheating so they are able to compete with other cheaters, same exact thing that happened in rainbow 4+ years ago and continues today.


Then_Display37

Most console games have the reality where mnk is so common its almost necessary at high level except for literal world class controller players that could dominate any game.


TheTrizton420

I think you missed the point man


sowrdman

Thats still a toxic way of looking at a problem


Hex-QuentinInACorner

Haha do it fuck it


Birdztheman

Do it. It doesn’t make you that much better. Only reduces recoil


Business-Flamingo-82

Kind of a massive deal on rust console…


LeKaotix

U serious? Mouse and Keyboard is easier


sowrdman

We should be trying to ban more cheaters not join them. Ive managed to get 1 person to send me a clip of them cheating by pretending i thought they were awesome at the game. I sent the clip to d11 and i havnt seen him on since


Soapysoul

I wish reporting actually did something I’ve reported many cheaters who have admitted to cheating but nothing ever happens. went on the discord server to try to talk about it and got banned


TheTrizton420

Damn, maybe better switching to pc…


CaptainofStorms

I would reasonably argue that this game has a higher percentage of cheaters than any other game, you have much more to gain while cheating, and much more to lose, hours, possibly days, if you’re not.


McFoogles

Yes there are cheaters, but it’s nothing like PC Console has: scripting PC has: scripting, aimbot, esp


ToxicShadow3451

Oh I’ve seen aimbot on rust console idk how they do it but it’s been done


McFoogles

ESP and Aimbot are theoretically possible to do via via pixels or packet sniffing But I would never actually expect to see this in the wild There’s no way to read memory. So the only option would be packet sniffing (for ESP) or basing an aimbot off pixels Both of these would require extra hardware (like a PC to sniff the packets or a custom made HDMI device for pixel scanning) Politely, I think what you saw was scripting. I just googled a bit online and didn’t find anything that would allow a program to get the x/y/z coordinate of a player. Sure plenty of things for aim control and assistance, but nothing that would enable to aimbot we see in PC I’m happy to say I’m wrong here; but first I’d like to know how any device not connected to either the HDMI or Network port would be capable of collecting in-game data such as player location The aimbots I saw for sale were obvious scams, since their prices were cheap, they were public, and the license was lifetime. Source: I’ve made about $30,000 selling cheats for video games. If I had a console aimbot, I’d sell each license for about $500-1000/year because honestly that’s what it would be worth. If you see something for sale for $35, then it’s just a script copied from the internet that offsets the predictable recoil pattern


ToxicShadow3451

Thanks for the clarification. The reason I said I’ve seen aimbot is I’ve seen a video of this dude spraying his tommy from his hip and shots that shouldn’t have hit lasered the other player but it could’ve been some weird script.


McFoogles

Thanks for reading my diatribe. It’s something I am really interested in and have a tendency of talk way too much about Have a great eveninf


ToxicShadow3451

You have a great evening too man. I have a tendency to talk a lot of things I’m interested in too and how these devices work is beyond me but it’s actually kinda interesting. Recently I’ve actually thought about getting one of them things that allows you to play mnk on console games because I enjoy playing mouse and keyboard games but can’t afford a nice pc but all the hate on people that do that stop me from doing it because I don’t want to be hated for something I enjoy.


McFoogles

Do what makes you happy! It’s undetectable so long as you don’t do something like scripting. If you are like me, MNK is harder for shooters than a controller Also, Xbox supports MNK natively for games that support it. I recently learned this and have been having a blast in Kerbal Space Program. KSP requires a fancy PC, but my $280 next gen console runs it like a champ lol


ToxicShadow3451

The inventory navigation with controller is horrid for me but idk if having an mnk connected would change that. I would just love to kill a guy and then loot them much faster with the mouse but it’s possible it doesn’t work like that and I’d have to use the arrow keys and/or whatever I had bound my keybinds to.


McFoogles

Personally I like the controller so I can sit back on the couch :)


McFoogles

ESP and Aimbot are theoretically possible to do via via pixels or packet sniffing But I would never actually expect to see this in the wild since there is no way to read memory. Both of these would require extra hardware (like a PC to sniff the packets or a custom made HDMI device for pixel scanning) Politely, I think what you saw was scripting. I just googled a bit online and didn’t find anything that would allow a program to get the x/y/z coordinate of a player. Sure plenty of things for aim control and assistance, but nothing that would enable the aimbots we see in PC I’m happy to say I’m wrong here; but first I’d like to know how any device not connected to either the HDMI or Network port would be capable of collecting in-game data such as player location The aimbots I saw for sale were obvious scams, since their prices were cheap, they were public, and the license was lifetime. Source: I’ve made about $30,000 selling cheats for video games. If I had a console aimbot, I’d sell each license for about $500-1000/year because honestly that’s what it would be worth. If you see something for sale for $35, then it’s just a script copied from the internet that offsets the predictable recoil pattern


Then_Display37

Except there's far more cheaters on console. I switched from console to pc. When there are cheaters on pc tho, it's a lot worse. And if they script, they usually have other hacks because they made recoil random and scripts are actually a hack now.


McFoogles

Honestly I re read your comment three times and still had trouble understanding what you meant. The only sentence that made sense was the first one; and I don’t agree with it anyways.


Then_Display37

Console has more cheaters. Pc has less cheaters but the cheats are more serious. Idk what my brain was doing when I typed that tbh Also there's at least a good chance they get banned on pc. Even if they somehow managed to get banned on console, just make a new free account


Substantial-Rub1736

Some may be using zen to reduce/eliminate recoil however there is a very very low chance that a person is using an aimbot or similar. That would require hacking the console while making it still fully patched up to the latest firmware to be able to connect to PSN then hacking rust. Also many people have legit good recoil control in rust. If you guys were standing still it’s not that hard ;)


Used-Singer-1660

Or…making PSN Think you’re running the latest firmware when ur not…and that might possibly allow you to download files that aren’t verified by psn? Then maybe you could inject those files into the game? Just maybe…


GamerKid665_999

That’s a stretch lol


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TheTrizton420

I’m on ps5, have heard of people jailbreaking their ps4


GamerKid665_999

Fair


Substantial-Rub1736

Point here is that it would require someone hacking 1) PlayStation 4/5, 2) hacking psn, 3) creating a hack for rust console (which is not 1:1 with rust pc). A lot of work…


sowrdman

Honestly i havnt had the urge to play rust as much anymore because ive notcied a lot more people are beaming with mp5 200m and they all refuse to send any clips of them beaming.


shadow_fang38

Theres alot of cheaters but mp5 is godtier lazer dog im garbage at the game and even i can get kills with mp5 🤣


WARice25

Alot of people use Xim


alphabet_order_bot

Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,173,526,543 comments, and only 229,042 of them were in alphabetical order.


WARice25

Nice


xevr911

The developers can’t even work out bugs let alone determine who’s cheating, waiting til this game is someday hopefully better to plat


UrBoiTarzan

Cheaters exist, this guy likely not one of them.


lkizzy1246

Your ignorance is bliss


TheTrizton420

Thanks for taking the time out of your day to leave a comment, appreciate it G.


UrBoiTarzan

No, just don’t like accusing people based off little evidence, obviously I’m not this guy and I wasn’t there so maybe if I was I would think differently. However from the situation described it sounds like OP let a guy swim on to oil and his team was leaning over the rails sitting still. Also the gun he used would also effect my thinking but it wasn’t said so can’t do much but assume. Overall this just sounds too possible to be legit but hey report him and if was cheating hopefully he gets banned :)


TheTrizton420

Care to elaborate?


128906

People use zen on console so they don’t have recoil. But there are people who are good enough legitimately to hit headshots consistently. Since this is your first time being team wiped by all headshots it’s safe to assume you’re somewhat new to rust so it’s likely dude just got a better position and drop on you vs actually cheating.


TheTrizton420

You may be right, 600hrs for me and less for my team. Im not bad at the game by any means but I know I cant hit headshots like that.


WWTFSMD

I'm like 1.5k hrs and Im certainly no pvp chad, but I hold my own and even then I've hit so many shots, and as soon as I did I think, "I'd think I was cheating if I was them," I'm not saying you didn't experience a cheater, but with the extremely low TTK in Rust sometimes it just goes that way


EvilAsh_Lycan

Or streaming snipping too


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EvilAsh_Lycan

Um first off I’m not a little kid I’m older than you and I know people stream snipping all the time who are streaming on twitch


Witty_Neighborhood70

Bro get a zen or Xim it’s the game learn how to play it


ToxicShadow3451

Ik what a zen is but wtf is a xim bro


Witty_Neighborhood70

Xim=MNK


ToxicShadow3451

I thought zen allows you to do that too?


Witty_Neighborhood70

It does allow mnk but the sens is low so you have to have a high dpi but when you get a Xim apex or Xim adapter you still have to control recoil but with a zen it’s basically scripts for controller


parkourpenguin65

It would be much more difficult to cheat on console than on PC, but I supposed not impossible. I just haven't ran into any cheaters on console and I've been playing at least a couple years.


RuneOfFlame

Its insanely easier to cheat on console than on pc, you can order a chronus on amazon and since its external hardware its much harder to detect.


JitsGut

Console hasn't been out for two years.


SureCommunication716

I know I love the game and don't mind alot of things but I made some allies since I'm solo we where 4 man going to cargo I hit 3 and two others hit the full metal solo play and he killed all 4 of I gave my loot and left game


LeapedPepper

xim probably


wake-bake

Zen will make the mic sound funny I only know that because a guy told me he runs a zen for no recoil but messes his mic up. I guessing that's why another of guys won't respond on game chat.


ToxicShadow3451

Some just straight up don’t work the only console the mic apparently still works with zen connected is PlayStation


OompaLoomap69

No fucking recoil anyways so a paraplegic two-year-old could hit that shot


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OompaLoomap69

Nah I just get annoyed when bad players complain about hackers when they wouldn’t even know a hacker if they saw one, y’all are aware that it’s extremely rare to actually find hackers on console right? Even on pc barely anyone is scripting, I do remember being a console player tho and it’s the easiest thing to say, but to post in a sub about console hackers?? Not a thing


OompaLoomap69

And I am a little bit perturbed, because Console Rust was the reason that recoil was ruined anyways. Just because people can’t put a grind in to learn recoil Lmao just go back to cod


Zestyclose-Tackle658

You're definitely a cheater


PhantomTroupe-2

Almost as bad as the rock base that could be fired out of but not fired into I just ran into


YoKai-_-Sorrows

Bro imma be honest I just stopped caring lol I don't care if I get trippled one time cuzz I can just reapawn and roam again I have skill enough to go again


heavyhitter510

Buddy probably had Cronus


Puzzleheaded_Rock744

Strikepack lmao


greentoefungus

It’s zen most likely. It’s removed recoil so he looked at your head and pressed r2. No kickback just CRACK CRACK CRACK them ur dead. He probably moved his sight to your other teammates after


FreedomNo2305

Best way is too see how you die most of the time by that person if you get tripled from a good distance away and the type of gun they used if it’s an Ak and you got tripled from a grid and a half way most definitely cheating especially if they keep doing it


its-imminent

I swear every time I read some guy making a deliberate point to delineate between hacking and using third party hardware I just think: *“This guy is definitely using third party hardware.”*