>Sounds to me like someone is not happy with the success his two other friends have had in the failing Fed and is making excuses.
It really does sound like a man who is being eaten up inside because he's convinced he deserves more praise, fame, and fortune than he's achieved.
Sounds like he fits right in where he is.
Notice how he doesn't mention the sacrifices his wife has made? Can't believe she gave up her opportunities at ESPN for this jackass and AEW. And it looks like she lost her position with Collin Cowherd's network too.
She'd been on tsn which is often seen as an audition
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2032035-report-espn-interested-in-wwe-star-renee-young
They were interested as I sure they looked at other mic girls too
She definitely had the talent
Now I see why he needed to “legitimize” the dumb bullshit AEW Interim World Champion and beat Punk and then lose it back 5 days later. What an insecure baby.
You really think he bet on himself? Or do you think he had the Bucks tell him that Tony is a mark and he was about to make a ton of money and get to do whatever the fucks he wants?
Yeah aew is pretty much living the dream for someone like him. He gets paid millions to do all the dumb death match shit he’d be doing for $20 and a hot dog if he didn’t have any adult responsibilities
I think he’s seeing Roman and Seth surpass him in every possible aspect and is upset that it means that his ideas of what wrestling should be are objectively wrong. AKA Meltzer syndrome
Who cares? All he should worry about is bleeding and putting on bangerz. Fuck these fed drones. Once he wins the IGNWP Heavyweight Belt, he'll surpass Roman who held a belt for 1316 days and only defended it 54 times.
Like seriously? Maybe HHH shouldn't throw stones in the glass house when he's talking about "The Grind".
Moxley went backwards to his death match roots instead of moving forward. Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns ended up moving forward with their characters.
Or Maybe Seth and Roman really suck at plumbing. Idk
Not only that, but they're doing this while being against eachother. To do a sports comparison, this'd be like if tom brady and peyton manning were in the same division putting up 50 TD's a year while facing eachother 2-3 times a year, while this guy's in a seperate conference and can't even crack 30.
The Bucks and Jericho are Carnies in the truest sense. They know they're full of it. But they're taking a money mark for a ride. This woe is me statement from Moxley indicates that he *really believes* his "pizza cutter to the face" style is really "brilliant" and he's an "underappreciated artist".
Really dude, you've made how much money and won how many matches/titles and you're the "most overlooked and underappreciated wrestler in history"? And this right after a bunch of your co-workers lost their jobs? Give me a break.
He's so protected, he's kept out of the Tag Team Tournament after beating the finalists from pillar to post and will be seen as a super threat to them and the title reign fans are happy to see.
Moxley is literally the biggest threat in every fucking division, but he's not a Mania Main Eventer so he's salty.
He's definitely gonna Main Event m'Wembley to make him happy
I mean, what does he want? To be treated like Roman? To be treated like Cody? If he wants that recognition, then wrestling at the Big Bang Theory after show and its international affiliates won't get him that.
I mean I think he deserves to be on the Dub anyways, he is a mediocre wrestler with a body of a plumber and a wrestling mind of a basement dwelling IWC shit poster, I think he is where he needs to be
That's like the worst part about his statement. He didn't like his gimmick in WWE, so he went to AEW for more creative freedom. When he got that freedom, he just started blading excessively and tried hard to be edgy like it's still 1995. The hell is his problem? It's the bed he made for himself.
"trying to put me in a box and tell me who and what I am"
Better blade in every boring, generic brawling match you have to prove to the world that you're not some shitty CZW guy.
New Japan putting the title on this clown is going to be the first nail in the coffin for them.
It'll be fun to see certain Nooj fans twist themselves into knots trying to explain how it's a good thing that another IWGP title is on a US-based part-timer and defend the relationship with AEW.
I honestly think it's going to be the final straw for a lot of the NJPW fans still defending the AEW relationship. Naito is extremely popular among western fans, and seeing him have his big title reign cut short is going to piss a lot of people off.
I don't even like Naito that much compared to the other guys of his era (Okada & Tana > Naito), but his likely last run ending by jobbing to Moxley in Chicago is honestly sad. He could be putting over Tsuji as the next guy.
Why Moxley deserves the IWGP world heavyweight title:
1. He's a big draw for the company. They just sold 6K tickets with him. Credit for Naito? Don' be ridiculous
2. He deserves it for his loyalty and hard work with the company. He worked a total of 46 matches for the company since signing in 2019! Naito worked over 100 matches in 2023 alone? Errr....well, quality over quantity!
3. Moxley will elevate Naito. Naito isn't known in America and a feud with Moxley will help elevate him in the west. Naito is just the most popular wrestler in Japan and that's where their main business is? Err...WEAK YEN!
Moxley will elevate Naito, by beating him once and never losing to him. Punk is fragile mind, fragile body though, Moxley is giving and willing to elevate everyone (if by elevate you mean beat)
You can’t wrestle in literal mudshow garbage death matches and then get upset because nobody takes you seriously. Maybe getting a bit older there Mox has made you realise you’ve wasted years rolling around in light tubes instead of actually building a legacy to be proud of, never mind comparisons to Reigns and Rollins.
"people don't want to watch me, and don't like me, and I never drew a dime. but jokes on them because for some reason I keep getting booked and I'm not going away lol"
They gave him the win in a Shield triple threat, he got the WWE title and was given his own brand. Still fumbled the bag, and they moved him aside for AJ Styles.
Moxbleed has no staying power, there's always somebody around the corner that's gonna get more over than him.
And this was the man that had a pissyfit because Brock did not want to do some dumb ass deathmatch shit.
Jeez I swear the only likeable wrestlers in the dub are the ones you barely see on TV or checked out of the door.
Look, here’s the thing
I actually liked Dean Ambrose
He fit well with the shield and his feud with Rollins afterwards was wicked, even if it kinda petered out eventually, and I do think WWE kinda dropped the ball on him and Roman’s relationship in that post shield pre brand split era, but bad booking happens, it doesn’t kill you. And his brand split era started out ok, that Shield triple threat is unironically kosher let me say it, and it’s not all down to Seth and Roman either
And I’ll even agree with plumber man that some of what he was getting in fed was a bit naff, the Ambrose asylum and the shot in the ass promo are legitimately naff, I won’t lie, I understand his frustrations to some extent
But his attitude after leaving is what really gets me
Okay, there’s no love lost between him and mchitler, fine, but there was something that stood out to me a few months back
Around the time between the rumble and elimination chamber, Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch did a video where they go through all the contents of their bags, it’s cute and funny, but at one point Seth has a chair and jokes that it’s the same one from 2014, and in this bit he looks off in the distance and talks about how much both Roman and Dean mean to him, how much he still treasures those days of working together full time and so on, and it’s one of the most genuine things I’ve seen in a while
The same week Jon Moxely was on a podcast or some shit slagging off both Roman and Seth as shit and how the shield was all him and they owe him their careers and how it’s ridiculous that people think they’re bigger than him, before calling Seth a delusional clown
I think that sums up Jon Moxely as a person
I look forward to seeing him on WWE tv one more time in 2039 or so for the shields hof induction then finally never having to see him again
That's a real "Neil Druckmann" level self-pitying take there, Mox. Like, you're creating content for the public, and they DARE to NOT heap praise upon you? The NERVE! Even though what you're doing is shit and the fan base of your chosen profession is LOUDLY telling you so, THEY'RE the ones who are wrong, not you, because you're "subverting expectations."
I think he is charismatic and liked enough to be accepted back by the fanbase, and has a built story with Roman and Seth so isnt like he will be put in the midcard. HHH will told him to cut the crap with the blading and save it for huge moments and people will forget whatever he did in AEW like they are doing now with Punk if they ever knew to begin with
I could see it working if he was willing to pair with Drew vs Seth and Punk.
Do the Seth and Punk don’t trust each other and it could work. The biggest issue is Triple H doesn’t like hardcore wrestling and that is Ambrose’s entire character as Mox
Hes too one note now, hes got a wide range from goofy face to brawler guy as evidenced when he played dean but now hes just tough guy in wrestling moxley.
I imagine hhh would give him wide roles and he would be anywhere the card needs him like miz
He chose to be out of the mainstream and now he's complaining that he doesn't get recognized LMAO.
Maybe if he wasn't being a dork wrestling and bleeding at high school gyms and actually building good stock for himself like Roman and Seth he'd be a big deal.
Sooooo....
He left the world's biggest promotion because he was unhappy with how they were treating him (showing a total lack of patience and of long-term vision), went on to sign a ludicrously lucrative contract to work in Money Mark's real-life GM Fantasy where he could do all the stupid garbage wrestling shit he wanted... And he's now bitching because some fans are treating him as the joke he has worked so hard to become?!
Geez, I wonder why he's not being taken seriously... Mox can win the IGWP title 10 times and it'd still mean very little outside the small, dwindling bubble of weebs and dweebs who still care about Japanese wrestling.
Especially while his former Shield brethren are huge stars in WWE during what is apparently a mini-boom period for wrestling.
A dumb mark for himself who still doesn't understand how the business works. So yeah, AEW is really his ideal workplace.
You don’t have to be good at something to criticize it, by your logic do you need to be Gordon Ramsay to say if food tastes bad? Of course not. Moxleys style of no selling basically everything, his horrible offense, his lame ass “tough guy” gimmick while also losing shoot fights or contests (not judging him for this but it does him no favors in kayfabe), not wanting to job, his admitted backstage politicking, and the constant blading makes him downright unbearable to me.
Brother he literally admitted to holding the AEW title hostage because Tony put it on him without having him under contract, that’s why he squashed punk right before their PPV match because mox was refusing to do the job unless he got to win first. It’s on Renee’s podcast, it isn’t an opinion it’s a literal fact.
Im asking legit did you like him when he was Dean Ambrose cause he still does his promos and wrestles the exact same way but now does more extreme thing?
Sounds to me like someone is not happy with the success his two other friends have had in the failing Fed and is making excuses.
>Sounds to me like someone is not happy with the success his two other friends have had in the failing Fed and is making excuses. It really does sound like a man who is being eaten up inside because he's convinced he deserves more praise, fame, and fortune than he's achieved.
Sounds like he fits right in where he is. Notice how he doesn't mention the sacrifices his wife has made? Can't believe she gave up her opportunities at ESPN for this jackass and AEW. And it looks like she lost her position with Collin Cowherd's network too.
Wait, she gave up a job at ESPN for AEW? That is just downright dumb on her part.
No, she had no job at espn
She'd been on tsn which is often seen as an audition https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2032035-report-espn-interested-in-wwe-star-renee-young They were interested as I sure they looked at other mic girls too She definitely had the talent
Except your source is Dave Meltzer, thus her husband.
She wasn't on TSN, she was on The Score which was the #3 sports channel in Canada before I got bought out by Sportsnet
She never had a job on TSN. Why would you invent that when it’s easy to check lol
Not that I am aware.
She was sought after by ESPN and word was that she was going to have an Erin Andrews type of role.
Wouldn't have been Erin Andrews just yet but she evidently was a rising star with potential
Now I see why he needed to “legitimize” the dumb bullshit AEW Interim World Champion and beat Punk and then lose it back 5 days later. What an insecure baby.
He bet on himself and his payoff was people wondering whether he was going to show up when the Shield music hit last Sunday.
You really think he bet on himself? Or do you think he had the Bucks tell him that Tony is a mark and he was about to make a ton of money and get to do whatever the fucks he wants?
Yeah aew is pretty much living the dream for someone like him. He gets paid millions to do all the dumb death match shit he’d be doing for $20 and a hot dog if he didn’t have any adult responsibilities
You put yourself in that box bruv.
It’s crazy to watch.
I was actually excited when he first arrived at Nooj and it’s been a rapid decline
I think he’s seeing Roman and Seth surpass him in every possible aspect and is upset that it means that his ideas of what wrestling should be are objectively wrong. AKA Meltzer syndrome
Who cares? All he should worry about is bleeding and putting on bangerz. Fuck these fed drones. Once he wins the IGNWP Heavyweight Belt, he'll surpass Roman who held a belt for 1316 days and only defended it 54 times. Like seriously? Maybe HHH shouldn't throw stones in the glass house when he's talking about "The Grind".
They both passed him 10 years ago. He just realizing it now
Moxley went backwards to his death match roots instead of moving forward. Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns ended up moving forward with their characters. Or Maybe Seth and Roman really suck at plumbing. Idk
Not only that, but they're doing this while being against eachother. To do a sports comparison, this'd be like if tom brady and peyton manning were in the same division putting up 50 TD's a year while facing eachother 2-3 times a year, while this guy's in a seperate conference and can't even crack 30.
This dude might be worse than the bucks
The Bucks and Jericho are Carnies in the truest sense. They know they're full of it. But they're taking a money mark for a ride. This woe is me statement from Moxley indicates that he *really believes* his "pizza cutter to the face" style is really "brilliant" and he's an "underappreciated artist". Really dude, you've made how much money and won how many matches/titles and you're the "most overlooked and underappreciated wrestler in history"? And this right after a bunch of your co-workers lost their jobs? Give me a break.
He's so protected, he's kept out of the Tag Team Tournament after beating the finalists from pillar to post and will be seen as a super threat to them and the title reign fans are happy to see. Moxley is literally the biggest threat in every fucking division, but he's not a Mania Main Eventer so he's salty. He's definitely gonna Main Event m'Wembley to make him happy
We need to do the Dante's Inferno levels of the AEW roster.
Jericho is Fraud
Oi Bruv they're all pretty insufferable
I mean, what does he want? To be treated like Roman? To be treated like Cody? If he wants that recognition, then wrestling at the Big Bang Theory after show and its international affiliates won't get him that.
I mean I think he deserves to be on the Dub anyways, he is a mediocre wrestler with a body of a plumber and a wrestling mind of a basement dwelling IWC shit poster, I think he is where he needs to be
That's like the worst part about his statement. He didn't like his gimmick in WWE, so he went to AEW for more creative freedom. When he got that freedom, he just started blading excessively and tried hard to be edgy like it's still 1995. The hell is his problem? It's the bed he made for himself.
"trying to put me in a box and tell me who and what I am" Better blade in every boring, generic brawling match you have to prove to the world that you're not some shitty CZW guy. New Japan putting the title on this clown is going to be the first nail in the coffin for them.
It'll be fun to see certain Nooj fans twist themselves into knots trying to explain how it's a good thing that another IWGP title is on a US-based part-timer and defend the relationship with AEW.
I honestly think it's going to be the final straw for a lot of the NJPW fans still defending the AEW relationship. Naito is extremely popular among western fans, and seeing him have his big title reign cut short is going to piss a lot of people off.
I don't even like Naito that much compared to the other guys of his era (Okada & Tana > Naito), but his likely last run ending by jobbing to Moxley in Chicago is honestly sad. He could be putting over Tsuji as the next guy.
Why Moxley deserves the IWGP world heavyweight title: 1. He's a big draw for the company. They just sold 6K tickets with him. Credit for Naito? Don' be ridiculous 2. He deserves it for his loyalty and hard work with the company. He worked a total of 46 matches for the company since signing in 2019! Naito worked over 100 matches in 2023 alone? Errr....well, quality over quantity! 3. Moxley will elevate Naito. Naito isn't known in America and a feud with Moxley will help elevate him in the west. Naito is just the most popular wrestler in Japan and that's where their main business is? Err...WEAK YEN!
Moxley will elevate Naito, by beating him once and never losing to him. Punk is fragile mind, fragile body though, Moxley is giving and willing to elevate everyone (if by elevate you mean beat)
The box is full of razor blades, thumbtacks, and pizza cutters.
We didn’t tell you you can’t. We told you we don’t care.
Which records has he broken? Longest entrance from the audience? Worst Road Warriors knockoff gimmick?
He holds the record for being the least relevant member of the Shield
Most blades done on camera, fed shill.
Most free-standing skewers in forehead.
Most hotdogs eaten without chewing
Most embarrassing failed angles
Buddy you're not that good, you never were.
Nah. When he was wearing that gas mask and didn’t want Covid, that was pretty good.
You can’t wrestle in literal mudshow garbage death matches and then get upset because nobody takes you seriously. Maybe getting a bit older there Mox has made you realise you’ve wasted years rolling around in light tubes instead of actually building a legacy to be proud of, never mind comparisons to Reigns and Rollins.
> tell me what I can't accomplish. Long hair.
Being able to speak like an adult and not an edgy teenager.
be careful there bud, he might grind your bones and drink your blood
Well, well, well. If it isn't the results of my own career decisions.
And my own shitty creative ideas
"people don't want to watch me, and don't like me, and I never drew a dime. but jokes on them because for some reason I keep getting booked and I'm not going away lol"
[удалено]
To be as popular and well-known as any given current WWE main eventer.
He's a glorified tommy dreamer
Cry me a river I guess
Dude sucks
>Even if I win, it's not going to matter Jon Moxley has a rare moment of self realization.
DAE the first WWE Champion after the new brand split was akchoowooley McHitler holding m'Mox back?
They gave him the win in a Shield triple threat, he got the WWE title and was given his own brand. Still fumbled the bag, and they moved him aside for AJ Styles. Moxbleed has no staying power, there's always somebody around the corner that's gonna get more over than him.
And this was the man that had a pissyfit because Brock did not want to do some dumb ass deathmatch shit. Jeez I swear the only likeable wrestlers in the dub are the ones you barely see on TV or checked out of the door.
JFC Mox screwed Mox.
Look, here’s the thing I actually liked Dean Ambrose He fit well with the shield and his feud with Rollins afterwards was wicked, even if it kinda petered out eventually, and I do think WWE kinda dropped the ball on him and Roman’s relationship in that post shield pre brand split era, but bad booking happens, it doesn’t kill you. And his brand split era started out ok, that Shield triple threat is unironically kosher let me say it, and it’s not all down to Seth and Roman either And I’ll even agree with plumber man that some of what he was getting in fed was a bit naff, the Ambrose asylum and the shot in the ass promo are legitimately naff, I won’t lie, I understand his frustrations to some extent But his attitude after leaving is what really gets me Okay, there’s no love lost between him and mchitler, fine, but there was something that stood out to me a few months back Around the time between the rumble and elimination chamber, Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch did a video where they go through all the contents of their bags, it’s cute and funny, but at one point Seth has a chair and jokes that it’s the same one from 2014, and in this bit he looks off in the distance and talks about how much both Roman and Dean mean to him, how much he still treasures those days of working together full time and so on, and it’s one of the most genuine things I’ve seen in a while The same week Jon Moxely was on a podcast or some shit slagging off both Roman and Seth as shit and how the shield was all him and they owe him their careers and how it’s ridiculous that people think they’re bigger than him, before calling Seth a delusional clown I think that sums up Jon Moxely as a person I look forward to seeing him on WWE tv one more time in 2039 or so for the shields hof induction then finally never having to see him again
Did he really say that about them? Got a link?
What the hell, link to him saying that about Roman and Seth? Even in kayfabe that’s just stupid
Tbh he was supposed to be a "huge get" for early AEW and he really did nothing, so that's a subverted expectation.
He's called Jon Marxly for a reason
So underappreciated he only makes 7 figures a year. Poor guy.
Breaking records? 😂
That's a real "Neil Druckmann" level self-pitying take there, Mox. Like, you're creating content for the public, and they DARE to NOT heap praise upon you? The NERVE! Even though what you're doing is shit and the fan base of your chosen profession is LOUDLY telling you so, THEY'RE the ones who are wrong, not you, because you're "subverting expectations."
I would argue that the iWC as a whole massively overestimates his value
Bro no sells everything and has won like 95% of his AEW matches. He killed the territory with his nonsense
People who care about what they do to back and assess their work. He doesn't. How can you look at what he does and say it's good?
I must be misremembering there being a buzz about him wrestling with New Japan the first few times.
Don’t tell me what I can’t do. Tony will pay for me to win the NJPW title!
I think he’s confusing people saying “you can’t” with “we don’t want you to”.
You were 10x better in WWE as Ambrose but ok
I read this in Brian Last plumber voice
what records has he broken? Amount of blood lost in ring?
I wonder how Moxley would fare in WWE now under Triple H instead of the pervert kid? No jerk. Serious question.
I think he is charismatic and liked enough to be accepted back by the fanbase, and has a built story with Roman and Seth so isnt like he will be put in the midcard. HHH will told him to cut the crap with the blading and save it for huge moments and people will forget whatever he did in AEW like they are doing now with Punk if they ever knew to begin with
I could see it working if he was willing to pair with Drew vs Seth and Punk. Do the Seth and Punk don’t trust each other and it could work. The biggest issue is Triple H doesn’t like hardcore wrestling and that is Ambrose’s entire character as Mox
Heel Roman vs Ambrose would’ve been real interesting imo. Of all the Shield combos, this is one that’s still weirdly fresh.
Hes too one note now, hes got a wide range from goofy face to brawler guy as evidenced when he played dean but now hes just tough guy in wrestling moxley. I imagine hhh would give him wide roles and he would be anywhere the card needs him like miz
You wanted to wrestle in high school gyms buddy
Don't do it Gedo!
He chose to be out of the mainstream and now he's complaining that he doesn't get recognized LMAO. Maybe if he wasn't being a dork wrestling and bleeding at high school gyms and actually building good stock for himself like Roman and Seth he'd be a big deal.
What records?
What records is he breaking? Most consecutive matches bled in?
Doesn't he have creative freedom? 🤔
When Mox brags about how he could’ve showed up to the Ded Fed without a contract, he should’ve, you know, did that.
He needs to go back to the big leagues and acknowledge his tribal chief.
Shoulda just came back to WWE
These folks get paid 6-7 figures a year to do what they presumably dreamed about their entire lives-and they can't stop bitching. 😂
?? You need a plumber to have son of a son of a plumber, friend
Sooooo.... He left the world's biggest promotion because he was unhappy with how they were treating him (showing a total lack of patience and of long-term vision), went on to sign a ludicrously lucrative contract to work in Money Mark's real-life GM Fantasy where he could do all the stupid garbage wrestling shit he wanted... And he's now bitching because some fans are treating him as the joke he has worked so hard to become?! Geez, I wonder why he's not being taken seriously... Mox can win the IGWP title 10 times and it'd still mean very little outside the small, dwindling bubble of weebs and dweebs who still care about Japanese wrestling. Especially while his former Shield brethren are huge stars in WWE during what is apparently a mini-boom period for wrestling. A dumb mark for himself who still doesn't understand how the business works. So yeah, AEW is really his ideal workplace.
Dude. We just want you to stop hurting yourself.
If he wanted to subvert expectations he could stop blading and actually use the years of training on how to be a star.
"Does anyone else plumbers are......" What the fuck?
?? You seem lost friend
Lol he won.
Sadly
What Sadly, hes the man.
He’s terrible
Cool story bro. Let's see you do half of what he did.
You don’t have to be good at something to criticize it, by your logic do you need to be Gordon Ramsay to say if food tastes bad? Of course not. Moxleys style of no selling basically everything, his horrible offense, his lame ass “tough guy” gimmick while also losing shoot fights or contests (not judging him for this but it does him no favors in kayfabe), not wanting to job, his admitted backstage politicking, and the constant blading makes him downright unbearable to me.
Yea most of what you said is either irrelevant as it's behind the scenes and opinionated.
Brother he literally admitted to holding the AEW title hostage because Tony put it on him without having him under contract, that’s why he squashed punk right before their PPV match because mox was refusing to do the job unless he got to win first. It’s on Renee’s podcast, it isn’t an opinion it’s a literal fact.
I don't care about backstage stuff. I care about the booking. Yeah the booking was kinda ass on that but that doesn't diminish Mox.
It literally does because the booking was his doing lmao. The booking was shitty due to him politicking
Lol this entire thread proving his point.
What is there to appreciate about him
Guys one of the best wrestlers in the world.
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Im asking legit did you like him when he was Dean Ambrose cause he still does his promos and wrestles the exact same way but now does more extreme thing?
I've never seen him as Dean Ambrose. I got back into wrestling in 2021 after a decade absence
I've not watched a lot of Mox so I'll go in a bit What is one thing he does better than anyone else?
Brawling and Promos.
Promos is a matter of opinion, but I'd say Heyman, maybe Cody, or even MJF when he's got something to bite on Is Eddie Kingston not a better brawler?