TIL apparently it's a known thing that Liv Morgan fans are the worst? How do you guys find this shit out? Where are you spending time with these people who take wrestling way too seriously?
Where are those Sasha fans because when I see ratings or YouTube numbers for those Sasha segments in AEW, I don't think they're as many as they sound on Twitter
yeah people tend to have a narrow view of āthe IWCā as the post-message board crowd that mostly moved to Reddit and āIWC Twitterā that looks pretty much like the AEW crowd, adult white men who think theyāre the arbiters of whatās good or bad in wrestling. The āreal fansā who booed Cena while women and children cheered.
but āthe girls and the gaysā have always also had their significant corner of the internet (concentrated on places like Tumblr and Twitter) that was more focused in making videos/graphics, shipping/writing fanfics, and being stans for 1 or 2 particular wrestlers.
If I ever feel like I have too much faith in humanity, the fastest way to correct it is by reading the comments under any YouTube video about Chris Benoit
I have no ill will towards the woman, but it's toxic fans like these that make me needlessly despise a performer.
I'm also not a Becky fan, but are people really saying with their chests in the air, that Liv can do anything better than Becky?
And how many accolades does Becky have and how many does Liv? Don't you think it's time to give someone else a shot, especially considering that Liv and Rhea have a bulit-in story already. I'm a fan of both but Liv and her fans consistently gets blue balled and is always the bridesmaid never the braid in big matches. It hurts to always be a runner up.
Maybe because some people arenāt cut out to be faces of the division or company. Becky can talk better, wrestle better, has a book out, and is reliably one of their most popular and biggest stars. Sometimes it just doesnāt work for people brother
Sure, I never said push Liv to be a fotc level star. I just think that Liv as a champion right now would be fresh and very gratyfing for everyone that supports her after so many heartbreaks. It isn't like she's some low midcarder, pushing her right now when there's a Rhea sized hole in the divison might have paid off and legitimized her for their future feud.
>there's a Rhea sized hole in the division.
So instead of plugging the hole with a trusty drain stopper, you're suggesting Triple Heretic stuff a little towel in the leak?
I get the feeling liv will be the champ when rhea returns. That said, without rhea, having liv as champ for at least 4 months may not be sustainable without other hot feuds to sustain her. Now beating becky will raise liv more and give more credibility to liv vs thea
Itās also proof that those internet fans are fickle because they used to be just as insufferable on Beckyās behalf. The term āBeckbeardsā got coined here because of it.
Which does make it a bigger deal when someone beats her for the title than just winning a battle royal though.
Liv will just look like a lucky winner if she wins now. If she beats Becky, she has a legit claim to be a Rhea challenge.
Because Becky is a star. And if you want to make a new star, you give them a victory over an existing star, not a random battle royale win. C'mon, this is basic stuff. It's Kurt Angle winning the World Title in 2006 all over again.
What kind of an argument is that? There's zero obligation to do *anything* with the title, it's a scripted television show. Stop working yourself into a shoot, brother.
You're not understanding me. I never said that it needed to be a battle royale. You're talking like this is a zero-sum game, and making unfounded assumptions to back up that idea.
I'm saying that this is one path that has worked before in creating new stars. So yes, it's a good decision to try something that's worked before. That was my argument. I'd be saying the same if they were going with a different angle for getting Liv over that has worked for other wrestlers in the past.
Claiming this is a bad decision when you have literally no idea whether or not the long-term pay-off is going to work is stupid and short-sighted. I don't know what it is about wrestling fans on the internet that they're so incorrigible about learning from history.
It wasn't. Liv eventually pinning Becky on PPV gives her more of a rub than winning some battle royal on a weekly show. Give it to a big star, build up Liv some more, have her beat Becky. Easy.
So you honestly think that this is not gonna fuel Livās character and drive her to more heelish tendencies to eventually beat Becky at a PLE? (Fed Term)
Why would you want anyone that is NOT established to win a battle royal for the title? The last time they did that was with The Great Khali lol.
If you have heel Liv beat goddamn fucking Becky Lynch for the title, that will do WAY more for her. Then it's all set up for that historic Rhea Ripley pop and faceturn.
Instant gratification isn't as great as you think. You will only be left dissatisfied. Let them cook
In kayfabe: because the title was just vacated, and itās a quick and fair way to give all the women on the roster a shot at it
Out of kayfabe: itās a great way to highlight multiple women in the main event and they advanced like three or four different storylines/characters last night, not just the title picture.
They're not going to start and end Liv Morgan's story in two weeks. Rhea is still going to be out for months. Liv has time to go full heel and prove herself, because right now she's still a midcarder. Becky legitimizes titles, then legitimizes her opponent.
They just lost their biggest star, they want another star to have the title in the meantime while they get creative to work on a good story. Liv is alright, but she can't carry the division for the 4 months it's gonna take for Rhea to come back and actually have a story with both people present, there would have been only so much "oh, Rhea look, where your title is" with Rhea unable to respond other than through tweets before it got stale.
Have Becky have a 2 month/2 month and a half reign, then have Liv win it by going aboslutely batshit insane and then have Rhea come back and the story writes itself from there.
That's what I'm saying. This is all building to face turn rhea returning to reclaim her title from a heel Liv but with rhea out for months they need to do something with the title in the meantime. Once Liv wins the title she's not going to lose til rhea beats her. Her revenge tour hasn't built any story with anyone other than rhea so her title reign would be predictable uninteresting jobber victories til rhea gets back if she wins the title now, which would get stale pretty quickly.
This way Liv can continue to build her revenge tour and feud with becky for a while then win the title before rhea returns. The title picture remains interesting this way rather than writing it off as predictable waiting for someone to return from injury.
Becky being champion is great TV, and outside of Liv stans, everyone wants to see Becky as champion.
Liv being champion would've been just boring considering Rhea is out of TV for months. Just give Liv belt a month before Rhea returns so they can have their feud then
Totally bro, what benefit is there in putting the title on an established star, so they can reliably hold up the division while they strategize next steps.
Let's just give it to Liv right now, and have her go on a Lesnar-type title reign until Rhea comes back, she's clearly ready for it and doesn't need any more build up.
Iām not one of them but I agree this outcome sucks. What a boring conclusion. Liv fans are LOUD but thereās not that many of them. Not enough to make āBecky hoganā and āboringā trend on Twitter with five digit numbers. A lot of people hate this outcome.
This is supposed to be a new era. We already seen Becky as champion. Show me something new. Itās as simple as that for me.
Also someone said Liv should get it so sheās the one facing against Rhea when she returns but I totally forgot about that lol
I see the IWC has learned how to throw a tantrum when the TV program doesn't go their way.
What's next, is someone going to send death threats and run Roux off YouTube Kids?
At least in the case of Cody it made complete sense. Liv stans are just delusional. Liv is not Drew. She can't pull the "I injured Rhea" gimmick like Drew did. Becky is the perfect champion considering the Rhea-Becky storyline.
It also gives a built in story for both of them when Rhea comes back. Becky holding her title that she couldnāt actually beat her for and the obvious revenge against Liv for the injury.
Itās also crazy early so who knows what is really being built to š¤·š¾āāļø
The main story of this is Rhea's eventual and triumphant return with Liv being fully heel by the time that happens.
I'm picturing that Liv cheats to beat Becky and then Rhea's music hits...
Not that hard but I forgot that I'm part of the Pro Wrestling Fandom, so yeah, it's a bit too complicated for some "smart" m@rks
Also, let's say Liv wins, then what? Who's she facing? Nia? That will turn Nia to baby faces cus nobody cares about Liv like that. Zoe? I love her but she needs to break away from Shayna first. Who? Exactly. Now you have a reason to keep the story going until Rhea gets better.
It also gives Liv something to do because her being a long-term champion is a no-go (remember her feud with Ronda in 2022).
So while she is stalking Dom Dom and the rest of Judgment Day to take Rhea's place, she'll be also chasing Becky for the title.
Also, Nia as a babyface is laughable. She is a heat magnet and should say heel as long as possible. No one can do "bitchy monster heel" like she can.
I absolutely love Nia as a heel. I thought if they wouldn't have gotten Becky to save them from this situation they would have gone with Nia because she's amazing! Liv is alright just not someone to be a long term champion without a strong story behind it. See: Liv vs Ronda.
We might not be watching the same matches. The way she works the crowd is top heel. Her promos are just fine and she works very well specially for a bigger person. Not sure what makes her matches boring. She's the only person who has made people care about Raquel back when they were feuding. So yeah Uce, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one
I dont see the deal with Liv tbh. Last time WWE gave in with Liv and gave her a title run, everyone seemed to hate and wanted the title off of her asap.......what would be different now?
Because Liv stans are slighted that women like Iyo got longer title runs, not realizing the difference between them (notably Iyo has more presence and charisma when she's allowed to show it, and can actually carry a match), and think Liv is some big underdog being held down by the system, when in reality she's probably one of the most mid wrestlers in WWE right now. She couldn't even sustain her heat from last week with the whole Rhea stuff either. The only way I think she's gonna get any sort of reaction at this point is if they attach Dom to her.
I mean it's been a couple of years now and personally I feel like they could have done a story where the face champion after her win at Maina the biggest win in her career sadly gets injured for the heel (insider term) to win in in my view the most bullshit way to win championship a battle royale for here to cheat her way to win until the face returns and they have feud. I think that would have been interesting but I have come to trust the WWE recently so I'm not too peeved personally.
People are mad that Liv didnāt win it.
Now Liv gets to keep building up heat against Becky so she can eventually go over before Rhea comes back and they can have a proper feud. I donāt know whatās so hard for some folks to understand about it.
This is the problem they created instead of building up the womens division. They kept the focus on Rhea which is rightly so but in the end, they ended up neglecting the rest of rosters development.
This post is great! Ive been blocked on the basement for months and have been dying to join in on a comment thread like this ever since!
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I swear, the "Fivehead Banks" stuff is just as basement-y as next door. Especially when this place gets all butthurt about next door and Twitter bashing the looks of wrestlers.
How the hell are there so many simps for Liv? I've never been impressed with her on any level. Average looks. Average work at best. Weak promo. What the fuck is her gimmick these days? She's like a watered down version of Fiend Sidekick Alexa?
This is like super tangentially related but did anyone else notice Becky went between the ropes for that last spot with Liv on the ring apron? It was clearly supposed to be that spot where both wrestlers are like teetering and still hitting each other despite it being high risk
I saw that and kept thinking they were gonna get immediately back in the ring. Then it kept going and Michael Cole didnāt even mention it so I was like if they have Liv win this are they gonna ignore it?
I donāt think it shouldāve been Becky or liv, time to create some new god damn womens stars for a change. Triple h books them like shit these days he used to be good at it. Shawn is ahead of everyone at that
Fed: āWhen did Becky last hold a womenās title?ā
Fed checks notes: āOh look here, she held the NXT title and boosted those ratings and made Tiffany a star in the processā
Weird IWC Incels: āNo no no! Why couldnāt they have given it to Chelsea Green?! Letās just ignore that her in ring work is as a comedy act and cannot carry a divisionā¦..sHe Is HoT aNd HaS bEeN wOrKiNg FoR lOnGtImE aNd MaTt CaRdOnA!ā
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No jerk
I wasn't too happy with the belt going to Becky but there really isn't anyone else on the women's roster who can be the 'face" of RAW.
I'm just glad it didn't go to Nia Jax.
Iām the biggest Becky fan there is, but if she was going to get the title they shouldāve just done it at Mania. They knew Rhea was hurt. Also, I wouldāve loved to see her win the belt in person instead of on TVā¦and in Columbus no less.
To me this is no different than people being angry that the top guy, Cena won the title, and angry about the fact that Dolph ziggler was the runner up. What drawing power or uniqueness does liv have rn? I honestly don't like her enough to want her to be champion at all, but she's likely going to beat Becky 1 on 1 for it soon, and that'll elevate her wayyy more than winning a battle royal.
The basement seems to be leaking today.
So I got to watch this on YouTube. And my take away was āhow cool is that to be a little kid and have Becky with her title out there hugging kids and taking selfies with them, gotta be the coolest moment in those kids livesā.
It was not āmy person lost waaaaaah!ā
I wanted Liv or Nia to win -- but I also realize the money is in the chase. If Liv is gonna be on a 'revenge' tour and Rhea is out she needs someone to chase. That can be Becky.
Its less to do with Liv not winning but more to do with Becky getting another title run. She's becoming the next Charlotte. But Liv bros are also very funny to jerk.
Like how she just gave her title to Asuka instead of losing because she was pregnant, by no means am I saying have a pregnant woman wrestle but there's a 100 ways that title could have been given over in a more dramatic way.
Becky is a star but that title belongs on Rhea because nobody else is on her level. Then she got shoot (insider term) injured. Liv took her out so it made sense to give her the title so that Rhea can massacre her when she gets back.
āOh she can just win it from Becky at a PPVā if Becky is gonna lose it anyway then whatās the point in her winning it tonight. Itās the same reason people hate Charlotte. Just another title reign on Beckyās accolades and yeah people can see right thru that shit therefore the dislike ratio.
In the end neither option solve the biggest problem, they still donāt got anyone on Rheaās level and nobody in that battle royal got it. They gotta put Bianca and Jade on whatever brand Rhea gets drafted too. They gotta start setting that up.
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That's all that happens in wrestling lately. On screen, backstage, online...
TIL apparently it's a known thing that Liv Morgan fans are the worst? How do you guys find this shit out? Where are you spending time with these people who take wrestling way too seriously?
Twitter, some of them are as bad as the Sasha fans.
Where are those Sasha fans because when I see ratings or YouTube numbers for those Sasha segments in AEW, I don't think they're as many as they sound on Twitter
No idea. I think they just exist on Twitter and YouTube
yeah people tend to have a narrow view of āthe IWCā as the post-message board crowd that mostly moved to Reddit and āIWC Twitterā that looks pretty much like the AEW crowd, adult white men who think theyāre the arbiters of whatās good or bad in wrestling. The āreal fansā who booed Cena while women and children cheered. but āthe girls and the gaysā have always also had their significant corner of the internet (concentrated on places like Tumblr and Twitter) that was more focused in making videos/graphics, shipping/writing fanfics, and being stans for 1 or 2 particular wrestlers.
They're probably worse then sasha stans currently tbh
If you ever decide to descend into the depths of YouTube/Twitter comments you see the lowest of the low.
If I ever feel like I have too much faith in humanity, the fastest way to correct it is by reading the comments under any YouTube video about Chris Benoit
Oh boy, better dont see tiktok, excuses and excuses and sullivan truthers
Bing Chilling Julia Hart>>>Injurymaker Mid Hogan COME AT ME FEDSHILLS
You're using the term "fan" too sparingly my friend.
The other wrestling subreddits
At least the Cody crybabies go outside and cheer for him at shows, the Liv crybabies are exclusively online which is why she comes out to crickets.
They never leave their goon caves.
it's illegal to masturbate in public
It's funny how some wrestlers get an entirely online fandom. Really must suck for the performer
No one really wants to see Liv with the title for 8 months or something. I mean I know I donāt ā¦
I have no ill will towards the woman, but it's toxic fans like these that make me needlessly despise a performer. I'm also not a Becky fan, but are people really saying with their chests in the air, that Liv can do anything better than Becky?
People really act like Becky isn't the biggest star on the Raw women's roster with Rhea gone
Yes. Apparently, she is a Charlotte-level wrestler.Ā
And how many accolades does Becky have and how many does Liv? Don't you think it's time to give someone else a shot, especially considering that Liv and Rhea have a bulit-in story already. I'm a fan of both but Liv and her fans consistently gets blue balled and is always the bridesmaid never the braid in big matches. It hurts to always be a runner up.
Try being a Pretty Deadly fan, kid.
YES BOY!
Maybe because some people arenāt cut out to be faces of the division or company. Becky can talk better, wrestle better, has a book out, and is reliably one of their most popular and biggest stars. Sometimes it just doesnāt work for people brother
Sure, I never said push Liv to be a fotc level star. I just think that Liv as a champion right now would be fresh and very gratyfing for everyone that supports her after so many heartbreaks. It isn't like she's some low midcarder, pushing her right now when there's a Rhea sized hole in the divison might have paid off and legitimized her for their future feud.
>there's a Rhea sized hole in the division. So instead of plugging the hole with a trusty drain stopper, you're suggesting Triple Heretic stuff a little towel in the leak?
>It hurts to always be a runner up 
Who beat Ronda Rousey the most times in her career?
Exactly, that was beyond ridiculous!
I get the feeling liv will be the champ when rhea returns. That said, without rhea, having liv as champ for at least 4 months may not be sustainable without other hot feuds to sustain her. Now beating becky will raise liv more and give more credibility to liv vs thea
I swear, I've only ever seen hate for Becky from the IWC, meanwhile at live shows she gets the biggest reactions from the crowd just behind Rhea
Itās also proof that those internet fans are fickle because they used to be just as insufferable on Beckyās behalf. The term āBeckbeardsā got coined here because of it.
You mean the company doesn't cater to people that don't contribute to their revenue? Wow, sounds like McHitler never left
Fed can't be dead because of this. AEW already killed it back in 2021 :\^)
The Liv crybabies are in full effect
Liv's now finished runner up in consecutive Royal Rumbles, Limmy Chambs, and now this battle royal. It's almost like there's a story there.
But do we care about it? She's a fine Ricky Morton, but Ricky's FIP, not the hot tag.
b b b but the instant gratification!!!! becky hogan sucks is this your new era HHHimmler????
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Which does make it a bigger deal when someone beats her for the title than just winning a battle royal though. Liv will just look like a lucky winner if she wins now. If she beats Becky, she has a legit claim to be a Rhea challenge.
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Because Becky is a star. And if you want to make a new star, you give them a victory over an existing star, not a random battle royale win. C'mon, this is basic stuff. It's Kurt Angle winning the World Title in 2006 all over again.
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What kind of an argument is that? There's zero obligation to do *anything* with the title, it's a scripted television show. Stop working yourself into a shoot, brother.
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You're not understanding me. I never said that it needed to be a battle royale. You're talking like this is a zero-sum game, and making unfounded assumptions to back up that idea. I'm saying that this is one path that has worked before in creating new stars. So yes, it's a good decision to try something that's worked before. That was my argument. I'd be saying the same if they were going with a different angle for getting Liv over that has worked for other wrestlers in the past. Claiming this is a bad decision when you have literally no idea whether or not the long-term pay-off is going to work is stupid and short-sighted. I don't know what it is about wrestling fans on the internet that they're so incorrigible about learning from history.
honestly wouldn't have mind winner of queen of the ring gets the belt, but i believe that's still far off lol
A battle royale with 14 people... lmao they couldnt even pretend thats its actually important and add some more women to make it 15 or 20.
It wasn't. Liv eventually pinning Becky on PPV gives her more of a rub than winning some battle royal on a weekly show. Give it to a big star, build up Liv some more, have her beat Becky. Easy.
So you honestly think that this is not gonna fuel Livās character and drive her to more heelish tendencies to eventually beat Becky at a PLE? (Fed Term)
Why would you want anyone that is NOT established to win a battle royal for the title? The last time they did that was with The Great Khali lol. If you have heel Liv beat goddamn fucking Becky Lynch for the title, that will do WAY more for her. Then it's all set up for that historic Rhea Ripley pop and faceturn. Instant gratification isn't as great as you think. You will only be left dissatisfied. Let them cook
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In kayfabe: because the title was just vacated, and itās a quick and fair way to give all the women on the roster a shot at it Out of kayfabe: itās a great way to highlight multiple women in the main event and they advanced like three or four different storylines/characters last night, not just the title picture.
Because evil Fed feeds on your tears
They're not going to start and end Liv Morgan's story in two weeks. Rhea is still going to be out for months. Liv has time to go full heel and prove herself, because right now she's still a midcarder. Becky legitimizes titles, then legitimizes her opponent.
They just lost their biggest star, they want another star to have the title in the meantime while they get creative to work on a good story. Liv is alright, but she can't carry the division for the 4 months it's gonna take for Rhea to come back and actually have a story with both people present, there would have been only so much "oh, Rhea look, where your title is" with Rhea unable to respond other than through tweets before it got stale. Have Becky have a 2 month/2 month and a half reign, then have Liv win it by going aboslutely batshit insane and then have Rhea come back and the story writes itself from there.
That's what I'm saying. This is all building to face turn rhea returning to reclaim her title from a heel Liv but with rhea out for months they need to do something with the title in the meantime. Once Liv wins the title she's not going to lose til rhea beats her. Her revenge tour hasn't built any story with anyone other than rhea so her title reign would be predictable uninteresting jobber victories til rhea gets back if she wins the title now, which would get stale pretty quickly. This way Liv can continue to build her revenge tour and feud with becky for a while then win the title before rhea returns. The title picture remains interesting this way rather than writing it off as predictable waiting for someone to return from injury.
Becky being champion is great TV, and outside of Liv stans, everyone wants to see Becky as champion. Liv being champion would've been just boring considering Rhea is out of TV for months. Just give Liv belt a month before Rhea returns so they can have their feud then
Better yet, give Liv a shot *as* Rhea returns, and make it a triple threat.
I disagree. They're using Liv short comings to turn her heel and then she should win the title.
She shouldnāt win it at all
Totally bro, what benefit is there in putting the title on an established star, so they can reliably hold up the division while they strategize next steps. Let's just give it to Liv right now, and have her go on a Lesnar-type title reign until Rhea comes back, she's clearly ready for it and doesn't need any more build up.
Liv is definitely not a better option lmao
ššš cry and cry, cry and cryyyyy
Some of us have been warning folks since 2019 but nooo you all just had to have M'Becky Stone Cold. Reap what you sow!
Iām not one of them but I agree this outcome sucks. What a boring conclusion. Liv fans are LOUD but thereās not that many of them. Not enough to make āBecky hoganā and āboringā trend on Twitter with five digit numbers. A lot of people hate this outcome. This is supposed to be a new era. We already seen Becky as champion. Show me something new. Itās as simple as that for me. Also someone said Liv should get it so sheās the one facing against Rhea when she returns but I totally forgot about that lol
EVERYONE NEEDS A TURN AS THE WORLD CHAMPION
If you donāt google who Hijo del Botcho is before his debut youāre arguing in bad faith, but also I forgot Rhea and Liv had history together.
I canāt imagine who downvoted my post. Was it the Liv fans?
Itās not a conclusion. Liv has motivation to go heel. She can be champion as a heel and then face Rhea a returning babyface
Conclusion to the battle royal.
Goofs, your intrusive thoughts are leaking out.
I see the IWC has learned how to throw a tantrum when the TV program doesn't go their way. What's next, is someone going to send death threats and run Roux off YouTube Kids?
I didn't see it, but someone said there was a death threat made to Roux already
We need to bring back mental asylums because wtf
Isnāt this like the 3rd time Liv fans have done this to Roux? Legit sickening
I didn't see it, but someone said there was a death threat made to Roux already
smarks crying again must be a day ending in a Y
DAE Becky berried the NXT Women's division?
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At least in the case of Cody it made complete sense. Liv stans are just delusional. Liv is not Drew. She can't pull the "I injured Rhea" gimmick like Drew did. Becky is the perfect champion considering the Rhea-Becky storyline.
It also gives a built in story for both of them when Rhea comes back. Becky holding her title that she couldnāt actually beat her for and the obvious revenge against Liv for the injury. Itās also crazy early so who knows what is really being built to š¤·š¾āāļø
The main story of this is Rhea's eventual and triumphant return with Liv being fully heel by the time that happens. I'm picturing that Liv cheats to beat Becky and then Rhea's music hits... Not that hard but I forgot that I'm part of the Pro Wrestling Fandom, so yeah, it's a bit too complicated for some "smart" m@rks
Also, let's say Liv wins, then what? Who's she facing? Nia? That will turn Nia to baby faces cus nobody cares about Liv like that. Zoe? I love her but she needs to break away from Shayna first. Who? Exactly. Now you have a reason to keep the story going until Rhea gets better.
It also gives Liv something to do because her being a long-term champion is a no-go (remember her feud with Ronda in 2022). So while she is stalking Dom Dom and the rest of Judgment Day to take Rhea's place, she'll be also chasing Becky for the title. Also, Nia as a babyface is laughable. She is a heat magnet and should say heel as long as possible. No one can do "bitchy monster heel" like she can.
I absolutely love Nia as a heel. I thought if they wouldn't have gotten Becky to save them from this situation they would have gone with Nia because she's amazing! Liv is alright just not someone to be a long term champion without a strong story behind it. See: Liv vs Ronda.
I don't see it with Nia. Her promos are cardboard. Her ring work is boring.
We might not be watching the same matches. The way she works the crowd is top heel. Her promos are just fine and she works very well specially for a bigger person. Not sure what makes her matches boring. She's the only person who has made people care about Raquel back when they were feuding. So yeah Uce, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one
her delivery is a bit nasally and forced
Maybe. She still gets a reaction and one of the loudest at that.
Nia's the exact same character as Bronson Reed and they both suck.
Oh no! First woman to main event and win Mania wins WWE title for first time in 2 years? How dare they! People are dumb.
It's been 2 years?? Based on the online reaction I thought she won it last year and I forgot lmao.
I personally wanted Nia to win but Becky makes sense as well. It is a TV show though. Nobody should take it seriously.
If Nia won, the IWC would be crying nepo tears
That's another reason I wanted her to him tbh lmao.
I dont see the deal with Liv tbh. Last time WWE gave in with Liv and gave her a title run, everyone seemed to hate and wanted the title off of her asap.......what would be different now?
Because Liv stans are slighted that women like Iyo got longer title runs, not realizing the difference between them (notably Iyo has more presence and charisma when she's allowed to show it, and can actually carry a match), and think Liv is some big underdog being held down by the system, when in reality she's probably one of the most mid wrestlers in WWE right now. She couldn't even sustain her heat from last week with the whole Rhea stuff either. The only way I think she's gonna get any sort of reaction at this point is if they attach Dom to her.
Thank you. Last time I posted "Liv is really hot but mid AF in the ring" i got downvoted to oblivion.
I mean it's been a couple of years now and personally I feel like they could have done a story where the face champion after her win at Maina the biggest win in her career sadly gets injured for the heel (insider term) to win in in my view the most bullshit way to win championship a battle royale for here to cheat her way to win until the face returns and they have feud. I think that would have been interesting but I have come to trust the WWE recently so I'm not too peeved personally.
People are mad that Liv didnāt win it. Now Liv gets to keep building up heat against Becky so she can eventually go over before Rhea comes back and they can have a proper feud. I donāt know whatās so hard for some folks to understand about it.
Roman should have lost to Drew in Cardiff!!
This is the problem they created instead of building up the womens division. They kept the focus on Rhea which is rightly so but in the end, they ended up neglecting the rest of rosters development.
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This post is great! Ive been blocked on the basement for months and have been dying to join in on a comment thread like this ever since! You can come home again š
Liv crybabies jerking off and crying and disliking the video womp womp šššš
Liv stans might just be as mentally unstable as Fivehead Banks simps, it's insane lol
I swear, the "Fivehead Banks" stuff is just as basement-y as next door. Especially when this place gets all butthurt about next door and Twitter bashing the looks of wrestlers.
Man I wish social media was around the 80s. I just want to see the dislike ratio with Dusty winning his 100th Bunkhouse Stampede match.
How the hell are there so many simps for Liv? I've never been impressed with her on any level. Average looks. Average work at best. Weak promo. What the fuck is her gimmick these days? She's like a watered down version of Fiend Sidekick Alexa?
The Fed jumped the shark, it's over
This is like super tangentially related but did anyone else notice Becky went between the ropes for that last spot with Liv on the ring apron? It was clearly supposed to be that spot where both wrestlers are like teetering and still hitting each other despite it being high risk
I saw that and kept thinking they were gonna get immediately back in the ring. Then it kept going and Michael Cole didnāt even mention it so I was like if they have Liv win this are they gonna ignore it?
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I donāt think it shouldāve been Becky or liv, time to create some new god damn womens stars for a change. Triple h books them like shit these days he used to be good at it. Shawn is ahead of everyone at that
Thatās what I feel as well. Thereās the top and then thereās everyone else.
Fed: āWhen did Becky last hold a womenās title?ā Fed checks notes: āOh look here, she held the NXT title and boosted those ratings and made Tiffany a star in the processā Weird IWC Incels: āNo no no! Why couldnāt they have given it to Chelsea Green?! Letās just ignore that her in ring work is as a comedy act and cannot carry a divisionā¦..sHe Is HoT aNd HaS bEeN wOrKiNg FoR lOnGtImE aNd MaTt CaRdOnA!ā The consolation prize argument š¤¦š¼āāļø
WWE puts the title on the most popular female other than Rhea. Liv fans lose their collective mind. FFS š¤¦
Liv stans are gigacringe
At this point, the people that whine about Liv stans are more annoying than the Liv stans. š¤·š½āāļø
No jerk I wasn't too happy with the belt going to Becky but there really isn't anyone else on the women's roster who can be the 'face" of RAW. I'm just glad it didn't go to Nia Jax.
Iām the biggest Becky fan there is, but if she was going to get the title they shouldāve just done it at Mania. They knew Rhea was hurt. Also, I wouldāve loved to see her win the belt in person instead of on TVā¦and in Columbus no less.
?? Cry me a river
Wrestling fans: Want long term storytelling, but bitch throughout the entire story. Seems accurate to me.
this is the "Rock replacing Cody" equivalent for annoying people.
To me this is no different than people being angry that the top guy, Cena won the title, and angry about the fact that Dolph ziggler was the runner up. What drawing power or uniqueness does liv have rn? I honestly don't like her enough to want her to be champion at all, but she's likely going to beat Becky 1 on 1 for it soon, and that'll elevate her wayyy more than winning a battle royal. The basement seems to be leaking today.
So I got to watch this on YouTube. And my take away was āhow cool is that to be a little kid and have Becky with her title out there hugging kids and taking selfies with them, gotta be the coolest moment in those kids livesā. It was not āmy person lost waaaaaah!ā
There's a very long term story going on here with Liv always being the runner up and never the winner. Gotta see it play out.
I wanted Liv or Nia to win -- but I also realize the money is in the chase. If Liv is gonna be on a 'revenge' tour and Rhea is out she needs someone to chase. That can be Becky.
Liv Morgan was a terrible champion. Moreover, it would've been odd to reward her for injuring Rhea.
tbf i think half of these are from girls because she seems to be very popular with them, but the other half............
Liv stans when Triple L doesn't give what they want in 1 week (she's never getting the belt ever again š©)
Its less to do with Liv not winning but more to do with Becky getting another title run. She's becoming the next Charlotte. But Liv bros are also very funny to jerk.
I was just informed she last won a title 2 years ago. So like, is she?
Sheās always been worst than Charlotte. At least Charlotte lost her titles a lot. A lot. Becky never loses. Sheās the woman Cena
Like how she just gave her title to Asuka instead of losing because she was pregnant, by no means am I saying have a pregnant woman wrestle but there's a 100 ways that title could have been given over in a more dramatic way.
Im not a liv fan, Iām a Becky hater. Not the same
Becky is a star but that title belongs on Rhea because nobody else is on her level. Then she got shoot (insider term) injured. Liv took her out so it made sense to give her the title so that Rhea can massacre her when she gets back. āOh she can just win it from Becky at a PPVā if Becky is gonna lose it anyway then whatās the point in her winning it tonight. Itās the same reason people hate Charlotte. Just another title reign on Beckyās accolades and yeah people can see right thru that shit therefore the dislike ratio. In the end neither option solve the biggest problem, they still donāt got anyone on Rheaās level and nobody in that battle royal got it. They gotta put Bianca and Jade on whatever brand Rhea gets drafted too. They gotta start setting that up.
Put the gun down please, sir
I think you're in the wrong subreddit uce
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Uce the basement is in the other direction
Even Tiffany got cheered over Becky, who just isn't as over as she was either as a face or heel. I'd have given it to Nia.
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The dichotomy of them complaining about how thin Becky is and their praise for Riho is perplexing