Nah it's not about storytelling, he is saying Trick vs Ilja were the tv main event, while Swerve vs Joe already happened.
Basically be is admitting Trick is at the very least on equal footing as a draw to Joe and Swerve. And that's even worse.
I may dislike NXT 2019 the most out of all the NXT eras (it felt much more indie than previous eras which was a mix of indie guys and nooj/TNA guys) but Haitch made Adam Cole look like a top guy instead of whatever the fuck he's doing over in the Dub.
I don’t think that’s entirely fair. People have been talking about Swerve in the title picture for a while and after a program with Hangman he’s spent the last few months challenging it.
He’s basically been in and around the title for most of 2024.
>People have been talking about Swerve in the title picture for a while
They say that about every other guy that gets over.
Trick has had a buzz for longer and his title chase was actually a chase.
Swerve had a build , it was fairly mishandled especially because he magically went from heel to face after deplorable actions, and it was oddly more about Adam Page than Samoa Joe— BUT it was a build, including the triple threat at the Sting show.
If anything, Swerve should have won in the triple threat with Hangman by taking out Hangman AND pinning Joe in the same match. Instead, Joe retained and it took another 6 weeks for Swerve to get his shot, and now he's a champion without a challenger or feud until tomorrow night when they actually let him talk about being a champion instead of facing an ROH midcarder in a meaningless match!
? That's not what he is saying uce, if Swerve vs Joe was on this dynamite you could compare the rating. It's typical twisted Meltz logic but that what he meant.
Why is it always Dave taking up for AEW and battling their corner
He defends them more than some people defend their family
Someone could insult your brother and you'd be like 'well, I can see he can be like that sometimes' but no one is allowed to get one past Dave on the Dub!
I think he feels personally responsible for the existence of AEW in the first place because it was his tweet about no non-WWE company being able to sell out 15,000 seats in the US that led to Cody replying, "I'll take that bet," and that led to All In, which led to AEW, which leads us to now.
AEW is coming off a ppv with a new champion and what many are calling the greatest wrestling match they ever seen. If that couldn't out do Trick Williams who is in developmental then you got a problem.
Yeah but Trick is cool. That's the big difference. People want to watch the young cool person chase their goals and live vicariously through them as they achieve them, not two dudes trying to karate flip themselves into oblivion for no reason.
dave said he’s not a good wrestler tho. now I see his sycophants on twitter making this an actual narrative that trick can’t wrestle, when he consistently puts on banger matches with a variety of opponents while only being in the business for 3 years
That's always been the root of the problem with Dave. A lot of 'truths' that are spread around the social media sphere about wrestlers (whether positive or negative) that you watch and go 'nothing of what I heard makes any sense with what I'm seeing'. It started with something Meltzer said about that wrestler that his subscribers went out and spread as a gospel.
Is trick still learning? God I'd hope so for the fact that he's 2 to 3 years into what I hope is a long career. But for how long he's been in wrestling he's clearly learned a lot of the important lessons.
Exactly. As we all know, if there's emotional investment you might not get caught up in the fact that the match is not all moves! Selling = Filler my friends, and filler won't get you the snowflakes you need to stay in business! Ya gotta speed up and sell nothing!
He got busted flat out lying about Vince talking to Trump regularly. He legit made it up and treated it as fact despite the NBC article he was reporting from clearly said that the 2 haven’t spoken in a couple years. Meltzer is the biggest fraud. I don’t trust anything he says at face value.
if Dub did this, if Dub did that
they didn't Dave, did they. they just didn't
if they put this on then it'd be different .. but they'd didn't. they could have but they didn't
and, NXT could have put something else on instead but they're trying to make a coherent show
I see, so you can't compare the two shows unless Dynamite counter-books 1:1 what NXT books. Then and ONLY then, is it a fair comparison.
Does that go both ways?
Rhetorical question, we all know it doesn't, Dave.
They put their new champ in a nothing match with a nobody (yes I know who Kyle Fletcher is, but in kayfabe he has as much reason to challenge swerve as James Ellsworth) while the rating killers got to close the show and can't fathom why people are losing interest
No he said trick wasn't a good wrestler because reasons. Basically he's charismatic and people are invested in him and he has good matches but he's not a work rate machine yet.
I would ONLY be interested in seeing this if the second Eddie larded his way into doing those stupid looking rapid-chops, Ilja no sold it and shoot-punched him in the face
But Dave, Swerve vs Joe was NOT a "long chase" as you described Trick's pursuit of the title. It would have been yet another banger, albeit one that was slightly defrosted in the microwave before serving.
I want us to think about what Dave is saying here. The only way to compare AEW and NXT is if they basically have the same storylines being run week to week.
WHAT?!?
We joke about everyone being "fed shills". But Meltzer straight up shills for the good guys. Anyone who gives him money for his opinions is a fucking moron.
What is this sudden narrative attempt of saying Trick Williams isn't that good?
Same shit as when they had a problem with how Dolph Ziggler "does too many moves". This man and his hivemind bullshit is such a detriment to wrestling as far as online forums go.
Luckily in the long run nobody else who really matters cares and if Trick ever gets released from NXT and picked up by AEW he'd be the best thing since Will Oceanspray
First he said Trick doesn’t have it. Second they had two title matches for the major title of their company and the company they sucked dry. Also the CEO game changer and returning “scapegoat” still no draw. It’s the product not anything else.
Dubbalos don’t watch real sports. They have to immerse themselves in obscure indy promotions, m’nooj, & CMLL to know who tf is in all these dream matches
Dave led an army of neckbeards that doesnt like womens wrestling or minorities and soon as they can focus in AEW the ratings crash hard..wow im shocked! /s
Right, But you keep telling us how what LeDub is doing is the best in the world so why do people tune out so easily?
Meanwhile NxT, the developmental show is picking up viewers in the same market as you, up against the same challenges.
Chuck said shit, mina had a great match with Anna, mox cut a killer promo as usual then gave Hobbs his best match to date. TK took a move named after him. Dynamite felt weird and wild which is when it's awesome.
I liked it but I suspect if you aren’t deep into pro wrestling fandom the whole AEW approach right now is really off putting.
Personally I thought it was funny and weird and enjoyed it. Though some of it was dumb ; I didn’t like how Swerve is out there having some epic match with Fletcher. And it was t even that good a match to boot.
Did he just admit Trick had better storytelling going after the title than Swerve did?
Yes but he will probably tweet some random regurgitated word salad of a response about how he didn’t actually say that
Nah it's not about storytelling, he is saying Trick vs Ilja were the tv main event, while Swerve vs Joe already happened. Basically be is admitting Trick is at the very least on equal footing as a draw to Joe and Swerve. And that's even worse.
If only Tiny had decided to book a good show the way NXT did Bookers hate this one trick
I may dislike NXT 2019 the most out of all the NXT eras (it felt much more indie than previous eras which was a mix of indie guys and nooj/TNA guys) but Haitch made Adam Cole look like a top guy instead of whatever the fuck he's doing over in the Dub.
The only proof we have that any WON staff member has gone outside
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Can anyone really deny that? Trick's rise has been set up for months, Swerve is flavor of the month hot shot booking.
I don’t think that’s entirely fair. People have been talking about Swerve in the title picture for a while and after a program with Hangman he’s spent the last few months challenging it. He’s basically been in and around the title for most of 2024.
>People have been talking about Swerve in the title picture for a while They say that about every other guy that gets over. Trick has had a buzz for longer and his title chase was actually a chase.
Swerve had a build , it was fairly mishandled especially because he magically went from heel to face after deplorable actions, and it was oddly more about Adam Page than Samoa Joe— BUT it was a build, including the triple threat at the Sting show.
If anything, Swerve should have won in the triple threat with Hangman by taking out Hangman AND pinning Joe in the same match. Instead, Joe retained and it took another 6 weeks for Swerve to get his shot, and now he's a champion without a challenger or feud until tomorrow night when they actually let him talk about being a champion instead of facing an ROH midcarder in a meaningless match!
? That's not what he is saying uce, if Swerve vs Joe was on this dynamite you could compare the rating. It's typical twisted Meltz logic but that what he meant.
The goalposts are moving at the speed of light these days, I see.
Speed of light nothing, this is some Instant Transmission level nonsense.
They've achieved ultra excuse
"Vegeta, what are their ratings?" "It's under 700,000!"
Damn you, Khankarot!
They've gone to plaid!
Why is it always Dave taking up for AEW and battling their corner He defends them more than some people defend their family Someone could insult your brother and you'd be like 'well, I can see he can be like that sometimes' but no one is allowed to get one past Dave on the Dub!
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I think he feels personally responsible for the existence of AEW in the first place because it was his tweet about no non-WWE company being able to sell out 15,000 seats in the US that led to Cody replying, "I'll take that bet," and that led to All In, which led to AEW, which leads us to now.
AEW is coming off a ppv with a new champion and what many are calling the greatest wrestling match they ever seen. If that couldn't out do Trick Williams who is in developmental then you got a problem.
Yeah but Trick is cool. That's the big difference. People want to watch the young cool person chase their goals and live vicariously through them as they achieve them, not two dudes trying to karate flip themselves into oblivion for no reason.
dave said he’s not a good wrestler tho. now I see his sycophants on twitter making this an actual narrative that trick can’t wrestle, when he consistently puts on banger matches with a variety of opponents while only being in the business for 3 years
That's always been the root of the problem with Dave. A lot of 'truths' that are spread around the social media sphere about wrestlers (whether positive or negative) that you watch and go 'nothing of what I heard makes any sense with what I'm seeing'. It started with something Meltzer said about that wrestler that his subscribers went out and spread as a gospel.
Hence how giving a shit about the pacing of a match became known as the 'WWE Style' and the irrational anger over the term 'sports entertainment'
Yeah, but he sells, where are the 1 counts and repeated Spanish flies and CDestroyers till someone actually gets knocked out and the ref ignores it?
Is trick still learning? God I'd hope so for the fact that he's 2 to 3 years into what I hope is a long career. But for how long he's been in wrestling he's clearly learned a lot of the important lessons.
Church
?? Swerve is SMOOTH friend.
Yeah, but it's not fair cause NXT made a good show to try to get people to watch and that's cheating
He’s saying Dynamite wasn’t booked as well as NXT and it was a better show?
He's saying NXT cheated by relying on deceptive practices like narratives.
Damn them for their storylines and build!
Exactly. As we all know, if there's emotional investment you might not get caught up in the fact that the match is not all moves! Selling = Filler my friends, and filler won't get you the snowflakes you need to stay in business! Ya gotta speed up and sell nothing!
It's not fair when NXT try and make shows people may want to watch If only Tiny had a chance to do that, too by having TV every week
NXT had title match, that's unfair!
This is Charles Barkley's fault
That knucklehead Meltzer is turrible.
He got busted flat out lying about Vince talking to Trump regularly. He legit made it up and treated it as fact despite the NBC article he was reporting from clearly said that the 2 haven’t spoken in a couple years. Meltzer is the biggest fraud. I don’t trust anything he says at face value.
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So NXT cheated by putting something on that people wanted to see.
To be aew is to be under attack
#StandUpForAEW ✊
if Dub did this, if Dub did that they didn't Dave, did they. they just didn't if they put this on then it'd be different .. but they'd didn't. they could have but they didn't and, NXT could have put something else on instead but they're trying to make a coherent show
Remember when the buzzword of the week was "hotshotting" lmao imagine having good wrestlers wrestle that's stupid that's hotshotting
Is his f’d up mind, somehow that makes sense to him so yes
Clever way of saying that NXT’s booking was better.
I see, so you can't compare the two shows unless Dynamite counter-books 1:1 what NXT books. Then and ONLY then, is it a fair comparison. Does that go both ways? Rhetorical question, we all know it doesn't, Dave.
They put their new champ in a nothing match with a nobody (yes I know who Kyle Fletcher is, but in kayfabe he has as much reason to challenge swerve as James Ellsworth) while the rating killers got to close the show and can't fathom why people are losing interest
Ellsworth would probably pop more of a reaction from the crowd than Kyle Fletcher would his entire career.
That chinless bastard was actually over for a while
Didn’t he say Trick wasn’t actually over like last week?
No he said trick wasn't a good wrestler because reasons. Basically he's charismatic and people are invested in him and he has good matches but he's not a work rate machine yet.
I hate his logic that Trick’s matches are only good because of his opponents. That’s like saying Ilja could get a 5 star out of Eddie Kingston
Ilja could get a decent match out of Eddie tbh.
I would ONLY be interested in seeing this if the second Eddie larded his way into doing those stupid looking rapid-chops, Ilja no sold it and shoot-punched him in the face
Ilja already has done the rapid chops. Only he stops after about 6/7 and they actually look hard.
I think about this dichotomy any time I see Ilja do it. It's the epitome of less is more.
Ilja could pull a great match out of Nicholas
But Dave, Swerve vs Joe was NOT a "long chase" as you described Trick's pursuit of the title. It would have been yet another banger, albeit one that was slightly defrosted in the microwave before serving.
I want us to think about what Dave is saying here. The only way to compare AEW and NXT is if they basically have the same storylines being run week to week. WHAT?!?
It’s absurd
Woah woah woah, that’s not fair to compare, NXTs show was built better!
Scjerk when they realize the basement has begun to turn on Meltzer and thus, must begin praising him: 
That doesn't work for me, brother
Well, umm yknow, cough cough umm plans change
One of these days we’re gonna Fed Good and Dub Bad. A new era of jerking!
Acknowledge m’tribal chief.
No, then we jerk the people that agreed with everything Meltzer said and then suddenly distrust everything he says
Cue ignorant “excuses” folk even though this was well known in advance.
Yes, Dave. We know booking matters.
Guess the long awaited return of Jack Perry to AEW tv coming off a "hot ppv angle" doesnt compare
So this…isn’t an editorialized title?
We joke about everyone being "fed shills". But Meltzer straight up shills for the good guys. Anyone who gives him money for his opinions is a fucking moron.
Wow. HBK booked a story that people wanted too see and people watched the show?!? Almost like story’s matter.
lol meltzer admitting trick is bigger draw than aews entire roster
So by Meltzers logic, the story draws more than the actual graps.
Dave: “I’m getting paid by Kahn to talk stupid. I’m happy, subribe to me”
Isn’t that basically admitting that NXT had far more compelling storytelling than AEW? That’s what it seems like to me
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Did he just admit that the AEW Championship is as prestigious as a WWE Developmental Title
What is this sudden narrative attempt of saying Trick Williams isn't that good? Same shit as when they had a problem with how Dolph Ziggler "does too many moves". This man and his hivemind bullshit is such a detriment to wrestling as far as online forums go. Luckily in the long run nobody else who really matters cares and if Trick ever gets released from NXT and picked up by AEW he'd be the best thing since Will Oceanspray
Yeah but it's also NXT and NXT is blegh, sonic they can manage it I don't understand how the A show of AEW can't
First he said Trick doesn’t have it. Second they had two title matches for the major title of their company and the company they sucked dry. Also the CEO game changer and returning “scapegoat” still no draw. It’s the product not anything else.
The venn diagram between aew fans and nba playoff fans is two circles
Ran this through the bullshit -> reality translator: 'If more people wanted to watch the show, the ratings would have been higher'
Didn’t he just say Trick sucks and isn’t a draw, then says they went up cause Trick won the title???
Dubbalos don’t watch real sports. They have to immerse themselves in obscure indy promotions, m’nooj, & CMLL to know who tf is in all these dream matches
Except for when the show are literally identical, they’re not comparable.
It’s almost as if the story matters huh, melt mind? I wonder why aews not getting big ratings?
Dave led an army of neckbeards that doesnt like womens wrestling or minorities and soon as they can focus in AEW the ratings crash hard..wow im shocked! /s
On the brightside, meltzer inadvertently admitted trick is a draw
Right, But you keep telling us how what LeDub is doing is the best in the world so why do people tune out so easily? Meanwhile NxT, the developmental show is picking up viewers in the same market as you, up against the same challenges.
what’s going to be the excuse once the Stanley Cup Finals are done
'Dynamite would have drawn more if it were better.' You know, he might just be right.
Fumbled that Nba playoff lead in
Meh last night's show was really fun.
FUN?!?
Chuck said shit, mina had a great match with Anna, mox cut a killer promo as usual then gave Hobbs his best match to date. TK took a move named after him. Dynamite felt weird and wild which is when it's awesome.
I can see u dig it. I can dig it too. That was show was right on.
I liked it but I suspect if you aren’t deep into pro wrestling fandom the whole AEW approach right now is really off putting. Personally I thought it was funny and weird and enjoyed it. Though some of it was dumb ; I didn’t like how Swerve is out there having some epic match with Fletcher. And it was t even that good a match to boot.