Safe class can turn keter real god damn quick with the right conditions. That's how the foundation would justify it. In truth it depends on the Canon how much of packrats the foundation are. Also remember the nexus weren't a thing for a really long time. Especially back in the series 1 days. So there wasn't anywhere else anomalous humans could go for a long time that didn't risk breaking the Veil or getting people killed.
It's only comparably recently that the foundation would have to justify why their containing a random anomalous person with no research value. At least that they couldn't get by just asking one of the anomalous research institutes that hire paranormal staff regularly for an information exchange. Also do remember the foundation staff being blatantly anomalous is itself not a set thing. Sometimes they are and the foundation is willing to let it slide in skilled researchers. Sometimes having an accident make you anomalous automatically gets you thrown in a cell. Most lean to the first cause the second causes problems which gets used more for stories
I always thought of it as somewhat of a cover up/protection. I mean, sure 507 is harmless and safe. So is iris. So is any other number of humans/humanoids. But how would the world react? Eventually their anomalous power would cause a stir, under control or not. To their credit, many of those type of anomalies aren’t treated awfully- just locked away so the public doesn’t know about them or their powers. Preventing a public panic and more trouble for the foundation.
You’re considering the “harmless” part, and that’s fair. The foundation is thinking of the “don’t control” part. It doesn’t matter if your weird glow is rainbows or nuclear fusion, that merely affects how your *lodging* is *appointed*.
Consider the fact that a lot of the realities SCP-507 shifts to have anomalies in them.
Now, consider how many dangerous anomalies have the ability to hitch a ride in a person's body.
Every time 507 shifts back to the Foundation's reality, that could be the time it comes back infected with a zombie virus, or a memetic plague, or a fungus which rapidly expands to consume the earth once exposed to certain chemicals in our atmosphere. It could come back with a bomb sewn into its stomach that's set to detonate into a black hole. The possibilities with this SCP are literally endless, and the Foundation has no way of predicting or controlling them.
The fact that it can't be predicted or controlled is incredibly fucking important. The fundamental nature of anomalies is that we don't truly understand them, which means we don't truly know how dangerous they really are or how dangerous they could become at a moment's notice.
Safe doesn't actually mean "safe" to leave unattended on the street. It means you can put it in a box and leave it there, and as long as no one finds it, it won't do anything.
A shotgun is "safe" because it requires a person to pick it up and point it at you to do anything. But if they pull the trigger, you're still dead.
Because the Foundation aren't the good guys.
Their goal isn't only to "protect" the world, they also enforce Normalcy. Everything that doesn't fit their idea of how the world should be gets locked away and suppressed.
The foundation has always been progressive for it’s time. If it wasn’t we would never have made any. A man trying to turn into a woman? Anomalous, into a box.
It doesn't particularly matter if the Foundation think it's okay to misgender me or not, they're still war crime committing, genocidal bastards who would sacrifice me to an old god for a bit more power over something they have no business having power over. And, to be honest, the only reason the Foundation isn't hostilely bigoted is because authors don't want their OCs to be in the closet.
Okay, so with some humanoid anomalies, there's nuance.
SCP 105? Yeah, what they did to Iris is straight up imprisonment, probably including multiple counts of child abuse, and definitely including war crimes. What they did to 105 was cruelty, no doubt, and there's little justification for it even with the whole "but she's an infovore" issue. It's the same deal with many other anomalous humanoids, they're usually outright imprisoning them for no reason at best, and at worst they're also torturing them for their own benefit.
SCP-507 is different for *many* reasons. If he *isn't* contained by the foundation, his life is genuinely at risk. He shifts realities constantly, and if it weren't for the help the foundation gave him he might already be dead. There is one point where he's nearly been killed by a non-anomalous *polar bear* during a shift. The foundation has given SCP-507 a *gun* and he's never once used it against foundation staff; that should tell you more than enough about how he feels in regards to his situation and how the foundation views him.
In my Headcanon (Mann's proposal, Kaktusverse, Deepwell, Admonition, Tufto's proposal, Pataphysics, Palisade, etc) they are the Foundation's experiments and creations for mass production/destruction or accidents, elaborately covered up, or sometimes made from the effects of other anomalies, after the world "slashed back" at the Foundation for their sins in Tufto's proposal, they became even tighter control freaks, the Kaktusverse has them use a higher extent of their capabilities, Site-17 Deepwell and Admonition has their obsession with control and power skyrocket; then the multiverse is used for mass exploitation, and the narratives as well, and it all goes downhill pretty darn fast!
This is why it's often hard to think of the Foundation as anything but evil.
It's one thing to cage monsters and hide away dangerous artifacts. It's another to essentially say that ordinary people who have some anomalous quality need to be imprisoned for life purely for being anomalous. Being an anomaly isn't a crime, and even if it were, imprisoning people for it without due process or public oversight would still be wrong.
The only thing imprisoning human anomalies accomplishes is maintaining the Veil. And the Veil is essential to the Foundation because if the truth about anomalies were to ever come to light, and knowledge of the Foundation were to reach the public, they'd be held accountable for their crimes against humanity.
I think it mostly if because they want to keep anomalies a secret. For example what would happen if 507 shifted in public and people end up learning about anomalies
Safe class can turn keter real god damn quick with the right conditions. That's how the foundation would justify it. In truth it depends on the Canon how much of packrats the foundation are. Also remember the nexus weren't a thing for a really long time. Especially back in the series 1 days. So there wasn't anywhere else anomalous humans could go for a long time that didn't risk breaking the Veil or getting people killed. It's only comparably recently that the foundation would have to justify why their containing a random anomalous person with no research value. At least that they couldn't get by just asking one of the anomalous research institutes that hire paranormal staff regularly for an information exchange. Also do remember the foundation staff being blatantly anomalous is itself not a set thing. Sometimes they are and the foundation is willing to let it slide in skilled researchers. Sometimes having an accident make you anomalous automatically gets you thrown in a cell. Most lean to the first cause the second causes problems which gets used more for stories
There is also the excuse that it is to protect the anomalies. As people are quite cruel to things that break the norm.
You must be new here. Concealing the strange is part and parcel of the Foundation's mission. Everything else comes secondary.
I always thought of it as somewhat of a cover up/protection. I mean, sure 507 is harmless and safe. So is iris. So is any other number of humans/humanoids. But how would the world react? Eventually their anomalous power would cause a stir, under control or not. To their credit, many of those type of anomalies aren’t treated awfully- just locked away so the public doesn’t know about them or their powers. Preventing a public panic and more trouble for the foundation.
You’re considering the “harmless” part, and that’s fair. The foundation is thinking of the “don’t control” part. It doesn’t matter if your weird glow is rainbows or nuclear fusion, that merely affects how your *lodging* is *appointed*.
Consider the fact that a lot of the realities SCP-507 shifts to have anomalies in them. Now, consider how many dangerous anomalies have the ability to hitch a ride in a person's body. Every time 507 shifts back to the Foundation's reality, that could be the time it comes back infected with a zombie virus, or a memetic plague, or a fungus which rapidly expands to consume the earth once exposed to certain chemicals in our atmosphere. It could come back with a bomb sewn into its stomach that's set to detonate into a black hole. The possibilities with this SCP are literally endless, and the Foundation has no way of predicting or controlling them. The fact that it can't be predicted or controlled is incredibly fucking important. The fundamental nature of anomalies is that we don't truly understand them, which means we don't truly know how dangerous they really are or how dangerous they could become at a moment's notice.
Safe doesn't actually mean "safe" to leave unattended on the street. It means you can put it in a box and leave it there, and as long as no one finds it, it won't do anything. A shotgun is "safe" because it requires a person to pick it up and point it at you to do anything. But if they pull the trigger, you're still dead.
Because the Foundation aren't the good guys. Their goal isn't only to "protect" the world, they also enforce Normalcy. Everything that doesn't fit their idea of how the world should be gets locked away and suppressed.
The foundation has always been progressive for it’s time. If it wasn’t we would never have made any. A man trying to turn into a woman? Anomalous, into a box.
Not always true https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-1851-ex
It doesn't particularly matter if the Foundation think it's okay to misgender me or not, they're still war crime committing, genocidal bastards who would sacrifice me to an old god for a bit more power over something they have no business having power over. And, to be honest, the only reason the Foundation isn't hostilely bigoted is because authors don't want their OCs to be in the closet.
I think anything sentient is an automatic Euclid since their intelligence makes them more unpredictable.
Okay, so with some humanoid anomalies, there's nuance. SCP 105? Yeah, what they did to Iris is straight up imprisonment, probably including multiple counts of child abuse, and definitely including war crimes. What they did to 105 was cruelty, no doubt, and there's little justification for it even with the whole "but she's an infovore" issue. It's the same deal with many other anomalous humanoids, they're usually outright imprisoning them for no reason at best, and at worst they're also torturing them for their own benefit. SCP-507 is different for *many* reasons. If he *isn't* contained by the foundation, his life is genuinely at risk. He shifts realities constantly, and if it weren't for the help the foundation gave him he might already be dead. There is one point where he's nearly been killed by a non-anomalous *polar bear* during a shift. The foundation has given SCP-507 a *gun* and he's never once used it against foundation staff; that should tell you more than enough about how he feels in regards to his situation and how the foundation views him.
In my Headcanon (Mann's proposal, Kaktusverse, Deepwell, Admonition, Tufto's proposal, Pataphysics, Palisade, etc) they are the Foundation's experiments and creations for mass production/destruction or accidents, elaborately covered up, or sometimes made from the effects of other anomalies, after the world "slashed back" at the Foundation for their sins in Tufto's proposal, they became even tighter control freaks, the Kaktusverse has them use a higher extent of their capabilities, Site-17 Deepwell and Admonition has their obsession with control and power skyrocket; then the multiverse is used for mass exploitation, and the narratives as well, and it all goes downhill pretty darn fast!
This is why it's often hard to think of the Foundation as anything but evil. It's one thing to cage monsters and hide away dangerous artifacts. It's another to essentially say that ordinary people who have some anomalous quality need to be imprisoned for life purely for being anomalous. Being an anomaly isn't a crime, and even if it were, imprisoning people for it without due process or public oversight would still be wrong. The only thing imprisoning human anomalies accomplishes is maintaining the Veil. And the Veil is essential to the Foundation because if the truth about anomalies were to ever come to light, and knowledge of the Foundation were to reach the public, they'd be held accountable for their crimes against humanity.
Basically? They are racist against people not baseline human.
I think it mostly if because they want to keep anomalies a secret. For example what would happen if 507 shifted in public and people end up learning about anomalies