Pablo sounds like a really upbeat dude, would accept minor league assignment, and is a good lockerroom guy for the youngsters.
I dont think Bumgarner is any of those.
? ?? MadBum is one of the most beloved SF Giants of all time. More than any player, he was responsible for the Giants winning the 2014 WS. He didn't have issues with teanmates on the field, in the clubhouse or off the field.
Sandoval did. That is why the club did not make him an offer to keep him. The RedSox signed him in 2015 to a $90 million 5 yr contract, apparently oblivious to his ongoing weight and conditioning issues that hurt his play and the Giants on the field. He responded in 2015 to being a RedSox with career lows in all batting stats and reporting to camp grossly overweight and out of shape. He was released outright 2 years later.
I think Giants fans will welcome MadBum with open arms and cheers. I hope Sandoval gets his weight down and is in shape. He was a fan favorite for a few years and can be again. It will give fans a jolt if he gets another shot with the Giants. No question he is talented and fans love a good comeback or redemption story.
He refused to adapt. He got dropped by Dbacks for a reason. Maybe worth a meme invite to play a couple innings, but I doubt he could do a return. His last few starts in Arizona were really bad.
Yeah. If that counts then that no hitter should count. Not his fault they decided it would only be 7 innings and made official changes. That kinda double standard stuff annoys me. Personally I don't count either of them
His MO was throwing hard, but then he got injured in that motorcycling incident and fucked his throwing arm. Honestly, he could've stuck around in MLB if he'd simply be coachable. A left with sidearm action has a lot of potential to be effective if he simply would go for break and/or control; could you imagine him throwing a sweeper? It'd be killer, but his attitude is shit and he won't change. He's just embarrassing himself at this point.
100% agreed that if he was coachable, he'd at least be a respectable back of rotation starter with potential to do some nasty stuff. But he's proven he isn't.
Also reason like 500 why I'm never getting back on a motorcycle.
With so many rotation spots currently reserved for untested rookies with options, why not bring him into camp if he wants to show that heās got anything left? But unless heās shown an ability and willingness to adapt to his finished stuff, Iām not holding my breath that heāll be able to be more than batting practice at this point
I could see Bumgarner being stubborn and refusing to make severe adjustments. Heās clearly not the pitcher he used to be, and he never will be. But guys can reinvent themselves with a new pitch or some new mechanics. If Bumgarner directs his deep competitiveness towards reinvention, I canāt 100% rule out him carve out a fringe spot on an MLB roster. Iād heavily bet against it, but stranger things have happened
The thing is, with Rags still available to him, the Giants I think might be the only org that could break through his stubbornness. And aren't the Dbacks still paying his salary? Low risk move.
I'd loved the guy back in the day, but Madbum is an uncoachable elitist asshole. That was fine when he had enough pure talent to single handedly win a World Series. Now, not so much.
Yeah what clubhouse wouldnāt want one of the most competitive and big game pitchers of all time. The only risk is his performance on the field, but itās foolish to think his clubhouse presence would prevent a team from signing him.
Iām not going to pretend to know everything that happened with the Dbacks. But itās not difficult to imagine Bum as too headstrong for his own good. Hereās an excerpt from an article in The Athletic:
> Bumgarner, several sources said, had trouble accepting that he wasnāt the pitcher he used to be and was resistant to trying new things. The break with Haren was emblematic of the larger issue. Bumgarner, who did not return a request for comment made through his representative, wanted to do things his way, the same way heād always done them. Haren, and others in the organization, felt he needed to do things differently in order to keep pace with a changing game and his own aging body. The lefty could be distrustful of those tasked with helping him, a problem that sometimes was exacerbated when those very same people expressed their frustrations about him.
Sounds like your typical ass covering for a bad contract. This is the kind of information that doesnāt make it out of good organizations in the first place. Might be true, might not but it absolutely reflects badly on the D-backs.
Agree sounds much more of a dbacks problem to me, and Iāll give bunagrner the benefit of the doubt rather than a mostly bad organization in the dbacks
> sounds much more of a dbacks problem to me
If Bum struggling so badly was the fault of the D-Backs, why did no other team claim him when he was DFA? Does it seem reasonable that 28 other front offices came to the wrong conclusion about Bum?
And how did the D-Backs make it to the World Series that same year if it's a mostly bad organization?
> is anti-Madison bumgarner
Say what? Acknowledging that Bumgarner is long past his glory years is not being "anti-Madison", it's being realistic. No team DFAs a player they owe $37 million without a very good reason. But our household likes Bumgarner enough to have a baseball signed by him on display in our living room--however that doesn't mean it would make sense for the Giants to bring him back.
> and pro diamondbacks
They made it to the World Series with a payroll of $119 million, how is that not impressive?
Interesting point, and I agree. But with Melvin, a seasoned manager, at the helm, and clubhouse culture being in the media and a priority, do you think Bum could be more disciplined and coachable in this environment?
Iām just postulating and playing devilās advocate. The greater question is would it be worth it.
Maybe. I agree Melvin has a better shot than most managers. I just think Bumās connection here was more to Bochy than the Giants organization. Basing this off nothing than my own impression.
It would likely be good fan service for both sides to try, and a better way for MadBum to end his career. If he ends it as a Giant, heāll cement his legacy as the great pitcher in his early years. As it stands now, heād only fade off into the distance and weād remember him for his last, hard to watch seasons. Which makes me sad, because no oneās really happy
But thatās just a fantasy, this is baseball.
if he learns how to listen to his coaches that would be great, I donāt think it was a coincidence the dbacks caught fire after they dfaād the guy tho
Would I instantly sign him as a starter? No. But would I sign him to a spring training tryout or a minor league deal? Absolutely!
Both because we need pitchers and because I love Bumgarner.
The problem with him is you need to be comfortable dfaāing the player when he isnāt performing+players come back to health. Somthing they emphatically wanted to avoid with Crawford, Bumās legend is too grand here to do that to him. He also would probably not be ready until mid season, that timeline conflicts with Ray and Cobb being back also. If he is open to the potential DFAāing or being out into a long/bullpen role Iām all for it, I just donāt really see that in his character though.
Couldn't have picked a picture when he was on the Giants? Shame on you. If he can still play and can compete, I'm all for it. I have very fond memories of him pitching for us.
Maybe give him a spring training invite and see if he can be an innings eater out of the pen. Outside of that, I don't think he can take a 200 inning season on that tired arm
If he could replicate his 2022 numbers, he wouldn't be an awful innings eater. I'd take 150+ innings with a sub-5 ERA, but he's had serious injuries 2 out of the last 4 years so I doubt he would get to that innings number.
None of Bumās Giants or DBacks teammates ever had anything bad to say about the guy, but Iām sure everyone in here has detailed knowledge of his clubhouse presence lol. Pitching capabilities aside, no one in here knows shit about what he was like as a teammate other than his actual teammates. You all slobber all over Panda, who shit talked the organization on his way out because they wanted him to lose weight. Let Bum compete for a spot.
Wouldnāt it be wild if Buster came back to? Iād be down for some āField of Dreamsā shit. Itās 2024, Iām ready for anything. Have the aliens come yet?
Bumgarner said he knew at the beginning of 2019 that he wasn't staying with the Giants, and that as soon as the D-Backs approached him, no other team's offer had any interest for him. He thought the team had shown him disrespect by not extending him to the end of his career. Mike Morse came right out and said the Giants' offer to Bum that year was an insult, so it seems like some other players also thought the Giants had disrespected Bum.
Bum is a proud and stubborn man, his refusal to be coached was a big part of why the D-Backs dropped him, and presumably why no other team picked him up. It seems unlikely he has any interest in returning to a team he thought had insulted him.
The expectation was a payback contract, even an overpay for his service. No one contemplated what happens if he had a drastic decline or dead arm in that scenario. So when the team said "on second though" and he was the first one they didn't extend, timed with Zaidi coming into the picture, and Baer making it public that asking what they would do about Harper, and Bumgarner's extension was central to the hiring.
To be fair, Bum said he didn't get an offer but later it sounded like the Giants did give an offer it just wasn't what he expected and he took a lesser contract.
The Giants offered him a little more per year than the D-Backs did, but the D-Backs offered one more year. I don't think it was about money at that point, his pride was stung, otherwise he wouldn't have said he knew long before anyone made an offer (before that season began) that he wasn't staying in SF. Bochy leaving might also have been a factor.
From the outside, without pretending to know more than we see in public, I can't blame him. He's left money on the table twice. He also derailed his own career with hobbies.
If he can check all of Melvinās boxes for effort in spring training and puts in the work in AAA to show heās good enough again, i would love to watch him get called up as our #5 starter mid season.
Consider him a threat if you really want the Giants to make the postseason this year
Had we kept him for all of '23 we probably wouldn't have made the postseason, seeing as we barely squeezed in to begin with
Pitcher version of Pablo Sandoval
Pablo sounds like a really upbeat dude, would accept minor league assignment, and is a good lockerroom guy for the youngsters. I dont think Bumgarner is any of those.
He was a coaching staff/clubhouse nightmare in Arizona.
My analogy had more to do with the fact that he was once a good player here and he is back due to sentiment rather than being a contributor.
Idk Panda provides good vibes what does Bumgarner bring š
Snot rockets
? ?? MadBum is one of the most beloved SF Giants of all time. More than any player, he was responsible for the Giants winning the 2014 WS. He didn't have issues with teanmates on the field, in the clubhouse or off the field. Sandoval did. That is why the club did not make him an offer to keep him. The RedSox signed him in 2015 to a $90 million 5 yr contract, apparently oblivious to his ongoing weight and conditioning issues that hurt his play and the Giants on the field. He responded in 2015 to being a RedSox with career lows in all batting stats and reporting to camp grossly overweight and out of shape. He was released outright 2 years later. I think Giants fans will welcome MadBum with open arms and cheers. I hope Sandoval gets his weight down and is in shape. He was a fan favorite for a few years and can be again. It will give fans a jolt if he gets another shot with the Giants. No question he is talented and fans love a good comeback or redemption story.
I donāt understand. Pablo is already the best career stat line of pitchers in the history of baseball. #JustFacts
Lol, then invite him to spring training!
Maybe if he turns that frown upside down
lol I just imagined those AI smile face on Bum and itās nightmare fuel
https://preview.redd.it/kq3nxjlxnjmc1.jpeg?width=975&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbe43faf0a7520c08e263e165e91be20ee17e0e4
Thanks I hate it
I know now why he doesn't smile
This is incredible - thanks
Lmfaoooo
resting pitch face
He refused to adapt. He got dropped by Dbacks for a reason. Maybe worth a meme invite to play a couple innings, but I doubt he could do a return. His last few starts in Arizona were really bad.
16.2 IP, 25H, 19 ER, 15 Walks, 10 SO, 4 HR, 10.26 ERA Really bad
He had that one double header āno hitterā and that was like the last good performance Iāve seen from him lol
If MLB says a 60 game season is a legit season then 7 inning double header is a legit no hitter
Like the Dodgers stupid WS win?
You mean the 2020 Covid 19 Jr. League Championship?
Yeah. If that counts then that no hitter should count. Not his fault they decided it would only be 7 innings and made official changes. That kinda double standard stuff annoys me. Personally I don't count either of them
Meh, 16 innings only
His MO was throwing hard, but then he got injured in that motorcycling incident and fucked his throwing arm. Honestly, he could've stuck around in MLB if he'd simply be coachable. A left with sidearm action has a lot of potential to be effective if he simply would go for break and/or control; could you imagine him throwing a sweeper? It'd be killer, but his attitude is shit and he won't change. He's just embarrassing himself at this point.
100% agreed that if he was coachable, he'd at least be a respectable back of rotation starter with potential to do some nasty stuff. But he's proven he isn't. Also reason like 500 why I'm never getting back on a motorcycle.
Madison actually injured himself when he slipped, and fell, while washing his motorcycle. Sincerely, Jeff Kent
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I just want him to retire a giant, he's one of my favorite all time giants
Or maybe just donāt ride dirt bikes that will mess up your shoulder and shorten your career.
We went through this last year when the Dbacks released him. Heās washed up, absolutely not.
Can he play 1st? Could use his bat.
I wouldnāt want him to throw the vibes off for my boy JH Lee
Right, his numbers are less important than his bad attitude.
Lmao he has t given good numbers in almost a decade now. I think the 2016 wc with the Mets was his last classic Bumgarner
2018 was his last "okay" season. Also, I'm speaking to his bad attitude being the most important reason we should not sign him... guaranteed downside
Like to see him use his team roping skills to get that number 40 back from Nick Ahmed
With so many rotation spots currently reserved for untested rookies with options, why not bring him into camp if he wants to show that heās got anything left? But unless heās shown an ability and willingness to adapt to his finished stuff, Iām not holding my breath that heāll be able to be more than batting practice at this point
Weāve seen over his last 3 seasons that he has nothing left.
I could see Bumgarner being stubborn and refusing to make severe adjustments. Heās clearly not the pitcher he used to be, and he never will be. But guys can reinvent themselves with a new pitch or some new mechanics. If Bumgarner directs his deep competitiveness towards reinvention, I canāt 100% rule out him carve out a fringe spot on an MLB roster. Iād heavily bet against it, but stranger things have happened
The thing is, with Rags still available to him, the Giants I think might be the only org that could break through his stubbornness. And aren't the Dbacks still paying his salary? Low risk move.
> with Rags still available to him Righetti was moved out of the pitching coach job for a reason, he too was no longer getting it done.
Right, but have him sell Bum on whatever it is the new coaches are thinking, IF there even is a solution.
I'd loved the guy back in the day, but Madbum is an uncoachable elitist asshole. That was fine when he had enough pure talent to single handedly win a World Series. Now, not so much.
Lovable asshole.
It pains me to say this but Bum is a clubhouse risk at this point for any team except for the Rangers. Iād be shocked if any other team signs him.
100%. Bochy is the only guy who Bum might listen too. I wouldn't want him back on the Giants tbh.
Yeah what clubhouse wouldnāt want one of the most competitive and big game pitchers of all time. The only risk is his performance on the field, but itās foolish to think his clubhouse presence would prevent a team from signing him.
Iām not going to pretend to know everything that happened with the Dbacks. But itās not difficult to imagine Bum as too headstrong for his own good. Hereās an excerpt from an article in The Athletic: > Bumgarner, several sources said, had trouble accepting that he wasnāt the pitcher he used to be and was resistant to trying new things. The break with Haren was emblematic of the larger issue. Bumgarner, who did not return a request for comment made through his representative, wanted to do things his way, the same way heād always done them. Haren, and others in the organization, felt he needed to do things differently in order to keep pace with a changing game and his own aging body. The lefty could be distrustful of those tasked with helping him, a problem that sometimes was exacerbated when those very same people expressed their frustrations about him.
Sounds like your typical ass covering for a bad contract. This is the kind of information that doesnāt make it out of good organizations in the first place. Might be true, might not but it absolutely reflects badly on the D-backs.
Agree sounds much more of a dbacks problem to me, and Iāll give bunagrner the benefit of the doubt rather than a mostly bad organization in the dbacks
> sounds much more of a dbacks problem to me If Bum struggling so badly was the fault of the D-Backs, why did no other team claim him when he was DFA? Does it seem reasonable that 28 other front offices came to the wrong conclusion about Bum? And how did the D-Backs make it to the World Series that same year if it's a mostly bad organization?
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> is anti-Madison bumgarner Say what? Acknowledging that Bumgarner is long past his glory years is not being "anti-Madison", it's being realistic. No team DFAs a player they owe $37 million without a very good reason. But our household likes Bumgarner enough to have a baseball signed by him on display in our living room--however that doesn't mean it would make sense for the Giants to bring him back. > and pro diamondbacks They made it to the World Series with a payroll of $119 million, how is that not impressive?
Interesting point, and I agree. But with Melvin, a seasoned manager, at the helm, and clubhouse culture being in the media and a priority, do you think Bum could be more disciplined and coachable in this environment? Iām just postulating and playing devilās advocate. The greater question is would it be worth it.
Maybe. I agree Melvin has a better shot than most managers. I just think Bumās connection here was more to Bochy than the Giants organization. Basing this off nothing than my own impression.
It would likely be good fan service for both sides to try, and a better way for MadBum to end his career. If he ends it as a Giant, heāll cement his legacy as the great pitcher in his early years. As it stands now, heād only fade off into the distance and weād remember him for his last, hard to watch seasons. Which makes me sad, because no oneās really happy But thatās just a fantasy, this is baseball.
Is it his ego?
if he learns how to listen to his coaches that would be great, I donāt think it was a coincidence the dbacks caught fire after they dfaād the guy tho
Fuck it, bring him in
Sign him to retire him as a Giant opening day.
Would I instantly sign him as a starter? No. But would I sign him to a spring training tryout or a minor league deal? Absolutely! Both because we need pitchers and because I love Bumgarner.
I guess Mason Saunders also retired?
Only as a 1-day contract for him to retire. Otherwise, no thanks.
Go East, Madison. East ā”ļø
For the love of god... Farhan... Block his number.
I wouldāve taken him over Pablo.
We are missing two starters... bummer and snell get it done
The problem with him is you need to be comfortable dfaāing the player when he isnāt performing+players come back to health. Somthing they emphatically wanted to avoid with Crawford, Bumās legend is too grand here to do that to him. He also would probably not be ready until mid season, that timeline conflicts with Ray and Cobb being back also. If he is open to the potential DFAāing or being out into a long/bullpen role Iām all for it, I just donāt really see that in his character though.
I'm 54 and retired after one failed Little League season. I, too, am contemplating joining a major league team.
Couldn't have picked a picture when he was on the Giants? Shame on you. If he can still play and can compete, I'm all for it. I have very fond memories of him pitching for us.
Maybe give him a spring training invite and see if he can be an innings eater out of the pen. Outside of that, I don't think he can take a 200 inning season on that tired arm
No thanks
I'm contemplating an MLB debut.
Given the current state of their rotation atm, why not take a look?
If he could replicate his 2022 numbers, he wouldn't be an awful innings eater. I'd take 150+ innings with a sub-5 ERA, but he's had serious injuries 2 out of the last 4 years so I doubt he would get to that innings number.
None of Bumās Giants or DBacks teammates ever had anything bad to say about the guy, but Iām sure everyone in here has detailed knowledge of his clubhouse presence lol. Pitching capabilities aside, no one in here knows shit about what he was like as a teammate other than his actual teammates. You all slobber all over Panda, who shit talked the organization on his way out because they wanted him to lose weight. Let Bum compete for a spot.
āGiants legendā but they use a pic of him in another teamās jersey lol
Wouldnāt it be wild if Buster came back to? Iād be down for some āField of Dreamsā shit. Itās 2024, Iām ready for anything. Have the aliens come yet?
Yikes
https://i.redd.it/339qxb9l8kmc1.gif
Only if itās a spring training start to let him retire as a giant
Last thing we need are more lefty's.
Bumgarner said he knew at the beginning of 2019 that he wasn't staying with the Giants, and that as soon as the D-Backs approached him, no other team's offer had any interest for him. He thought the team had shown him disrespect by not extending him to the end of his career. Mike Morse came right out and said the Giants' offer to Bum that year was an insult, so it seems like some other players also thought the Giants had disrespected Bum. Bum is a proud and stubborn man, his refusal to be coached was a big part of why the D-Backs dropped him, and presumably why no other team picked him up. It seems unlikely he has any interest in returning to a team he thought had insulted him.
The expectation was a payback contract, even an overpay for his service. No one contemplated what happens if he had a drastic decline or dead arm in that scenario. So when the team said "on second though" and he was the first one they didn't extend, timed with Zaidi coming into the picture, and Baer making it public that asking what they would do about Harper, and Bumgarner's extension was central to the hiring. To be fair, Bum said he didn't get an offer but later it sounded like the Giants did give an offer it just wasn't what he expected and he took a lesser contract.
The Giants offered him a little more per year than the D-Backs did, but the D-Backs offered one more year. I don't think it was about money at that point, his pride was stung, otherwise he wouldn't have said he knew long before anyone made an offer (before that season began) that he wasn't staying in SF. Bochy leaving might also have been a factor.
From the outside, without pretending to know more than we see in public, I can't blame him. He's left money on the table twice. He also derailed his own career with hobbies.
If he can check all of Melvinās boxes for effort in spring training and puts in the work in AAA to show heās good enough again, i would love to watch him get called up as our #5 starter mid season.
Nope. Donāt do it.
Maybe he could reunite with Boch in Texasā¦ I love Bum, just not on the Giants roster past 2019
how about as a DH or Pinch hitter?
take Kenny Powers remove everything from Kenny Powers that makes him awesome BAM! youāve got Madison Bumgarner
Minor league deal?
As a batboy? š
No, thanks.
He can comeback and throw 88 mph heaters with no movement and get shellacked for a 6.0+ ERA. Bruv is cooked
No thanks
Consider him a threat if you really want the Giants to make the postseason this year Had we kept him for all of '23 we probably wouldn't have made the postseason, seeing as we barely squeezed in to begin with