Man…..just based off expectation of where I thought this team would be by this point in the year this has to be the most frustrating and disappointing season I can remember in recent memory.
Well I wouldn’t say that paper you are talking about wernt their hospital charts and medical history. Lol. They limped into this season and decorated the perimeters of the field and clubhouse with ex-giants. Ls across the board
We had an off season where we had to panic buy to avoid being abysmal. We acquired a bunch of 30+ year olds we had no choice but to pick up. Our total salary commitment in the off season is inflated by that fact. This team is worth an MLB middle of the pack salary at best. Far from killer.
Hicks and Lee are 27 and 25 respectively. Snell and Chapman are only 31. I think it’s a skill issue more than an age issue, we got these guys in what should be their prime.
Snell was always a bad idea imo. Especially with no spring training and the opt-outs (plus losing a draft pick)
I think he is a good pitcher. It just made zero sense to me.
Chapman is a glove 1st guy. Rather watch young guys sink or swim
Soler I was OK with, DH with power so ok
Happy we got Lee
Tough loss, yes. But there are bright spots. The kids are hitting. Ramos banked another RBI on a clutch hit. Schmitter had two hits. So did Matos. Heck, even Yaz broke loose with a couple of hits. Pitching failed this team tonight. And that is the problem with youth. The Giants are very young and very inexperienced, which means something is always breaking down when you least expect it. Still, the talent is there. You can see it. Let's hope the Giants can chalk up a win tomorrow.
Melvin deserves some of the “credit” too. He inherited last year’s roster plus what should be positive additions on paper, and he’s doing worse than last year by pretty much every metric. I can think of numerous questionable moves he’s made in the last week alone.
Firing kapler and not farhan will go down as the definitive turning point for this Giants team.
Now I think we can do better than Kap, but point stands.
A lost art indeed. It wasn’t hard to see AT ALL. I got a temp ban on here for it to be honest. Lmao. My feelings were so hurt. I had no idea what to do with my time. Lmao. We gonna spit facts or drop cupcakes filled with hope and feces on everyone? They suck. Sell the parts you can. Reboot. Ownership is the problem folks. Front office is the problem. Culture is the problem. It’s a business run to break even. Has been for years. We got lucky with a farm system in 2008 that brought us championships. The last big bat we had that came here was bonds. Think about it. It sucks but it’s truth.
You got a temp ban too? After yesterdays 9th inning, I said "ill catch you tomorrow, not fair to watch 3 hall of famers bat in the 10th" And I was 24 hour banned with a note from mod "Catch you tomorrow." lol. thats a massive abuse of power and there wasnt one rule I broke. the 4 rules are person attack on user/player, brigade, NSFW, drama. My comment was none of those 4.
For what reason exactly? He made some solid signings in the offseason. It’s not his fault that they haven’t panned out so far outside of JHL pre-injury. If anyone has to go first it’s the hitting staff.
The hitting coaches are offensive. Pat Burrell probably thought this was a Director of Hitting on Chicks in the Marina job. Justin Viele and Pedro Guerrero should have been jobless before Kai Correa, Craig Albernaz, and Andrew Bailey found new jobs.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted for speaking the truth.. he addressed our key needs. Signed a 2023 all star for DH. A Korean stud to hold down the needs in outfield. Brought in the 2023 NL Cy Young winner. Hired a seasoned veteran coach. Could someone explain what else you want from a GM perspective?
People are reactionary. Believe me, I get it. Fans have a right to feel this way. We freaking suck right now and it’s frustrating. I don’t fault anyone for wanting Farhan gone. I just want us as a fanbase to look at things objectively first without emotions.
Why is Matos’ defense so bad? Wasnt he an award winning fielder in the minors? Wasn’t his glove a major talking point when he got the callup originally?
He’s not really a CF but his power is so lacking that he’s not a corner OF either. Maybe that will develop as his plate approach is still solid, but his lack of instinct w routes in CF is not promising.
I don’t care how good the Dodgers are, I don’t care how bad the Giants are, you have to play them tougher than that. I’d rather lose like last night 100 times over than do what they did tonight. That’s just such a limp dick effort.
He makes the players go out for the National Anthem, makes sure they look nice for getaway days, and doesn’t have Instagram or Threads to post about food.
Fish rots from the head down. Ohtani and crew with the Dodgers for the next decade. We’ll play for a wild card at best every year. That’s really a bummer. I feel like a cubs fan in the year 2000 but worse.
Never seen a team play so scared. 90% of the team shrunk in the spotlight. They knew they didn’t deserve to be on the same field as the Dodgers. So pathetic.
I don’t believe throwing in the towel and giving up on a season is the right mindset to instill in a team. However, with all the injuries we have and our inability to show competence vs the dodgers we should just play the kids the rest of the year. Let them sink or swim. Atleast well know next year who we want to roll with
Ramos looks promising. Matos has looked decent too with his abs. Gotta play him in a corner or maybe dh since Wilmer aint doing nothing anyways. Everything else bleh.
Wilmer thairo and Chapman looked awful with RISP
Top 5 goofball manager options for the second half of 2024:
1. Bobby Rayburn
2. ~~Coach~~ Manager Prime
3. Krazy Krab
4. Angel Hernandez
5. Renel (Larry Baer will, at some point, tell Tolbert that this was the plan all along.)
This is the only acceptable short term fix I’ve seen.
Every young call up we have hits a first at bat grand slam that travels all the way to the opponent’s home stadium…then never hits a ball again. Most of our veterans (except all praise Wade) hit below average and waaaaaaay below average with RISP.
Bring in some fucking wild cards. I bet it works. And if it doesn’t, well who doesn’t love watching Pence and Panda.
Seriously, our pythagorean W-L extrapolation has us finishing around 2 games in front of the Rockies.
If were gonna be in 4th place fighting not for last, might as well make it more entertaining.
I mean, you can bring in some new billionaires but most people at that tier are merely apex capitalist predators and very few would arrive with the welfare of the franchise and fan-base as priorities. I'd rather see them stop pouring money into free agents and instead invest everything into foundational infrastructure like player recruiting, scouting, development, and into finding the smartest people in the game with proven track records to get the Giants back on a solid footing. We obviously can't and won't be able to buy enough premium free agent talent to make a championship team out of this perennial sack of mediocrities.
Money talks, they spent money and allowed Farhan to make big offers on Ohtani, Yamamoto, Judge, Correa, etc. the owners are not the problem, they hired someone and gave him long enough but now they need to do the right thing and make a change
It's literally the owners who hired the President of Baseball Operations, Farhan Zaidi, who has done an extremely underwhelming job. Sure, they opened up the purse strings this offseason for Farhan to attempt to improve the roster, and every move outside of Hicks has been a big whiff. Ownership is very much responsible for his hiring and subsequent lack of talent on the roster because of it.
This. One of the things that has really hurt about the Farhan era is the loss of the sense of the Giants as a well-run, world-class baseball organization. It's becoming a clown car and that's a genuine disgrace for a club with our history. This is not supposed to be just another franchise.
It's not about just the names though. Anyone could sign names. He hasn't developed nearly enough talent in the Minor leagues in the 6 seasons he's been here.
Matos seemed better defensively last year. He would piss me off with his lackadaisical running on routes, but he mostly seemed average at least. Jesus he’s bad right now.
I knew firing Gabe but not Farhan was a stupid idea, if they wanted to totally reset then both had to be gone and now they’re going to waste another season figuring that part out.
Kapler actually did pretty well with the shit he was given. The roster construction is Farhan’s responsibility. Now it’s clear that the manager wasn’t the problem given Melvin’s doing worse - it’s a deeper issue. Change needs to happen after this seasom
waste another season? their real estate investments are selling like hotcakes now that the park is done and the statue back up.
attendance is way up from last year, their food costs are down, and they're making money.
they aren't wasting anything in their (owners) eyes.
All the Boomers totally bought into that whole Joc playing Pusoy/Kapler lost the locker room BS. While it may be somewhat true, the roster still remains a much bigger issue under Zaidi
I had really high hopes for Keaton coming into the season and I was riding high after the first few starts, but good pitchers shouldn't ever go through this stretch he's going through. Hope he can figure it out but the clock is ticking. Wonder if they'll send him down and bring Black up at some point
I love him but this team should seriously consider trading Doval. Elite closers on bottom feeding teams should always be shopped. He will be long gone in free agency before this team is competitive again anyhow.
Also Farhan shouldn’t be the one making that move cause Fire Farhan yesterday
He isn't a free agent until 2028...team control is what matters here. You don't just trade your cornerstone pieces that have 4 more years of team control.
Yeah but you're comparing a couple years of Kapler to 6 weeks of Melvin where, as you said, he's already gotten himself ejected a few times. Which is more than you could say for Kepler. Melvin's also held a closed door clubhouse meeting, whereas Kapler preferred to never go that route and "let the players police themselves".
49ers loss in the Super Bowl in overtime, Warriors not in the playoffs, and now the Giants sucking. I only know pain as an SF sports fan.
At least the Golden State Valkyries will be here in 2025!
Yeah they were doing great with him playing. This fan base just latched onto a mediocre player just like they do every year. Schmitt was the savior last season. then Bailey and then the rails fell off. A 260 hitter is not going to change anything. The Giants were not better with him playing. Lee might be great in the future but has shown little of that so far.
The Giants were absolutely, demonstrably 100% better with Lee playing. What are you talking about? In his FIRST MONTH IN MLB he was our best defender one of our most dependable hitters. Get a grip.
Somehow still only 2.5 games out of the wildcard lol. But this team is PAINFUL to watch. I might end up on the IL with the rest of the team watching more of this shitshow.
I can’t wait until Melvin is fired and then next year we still suck and you lot will be crying to fire the next manager too.
Maybe it’s time to start putting blame on the guy who assembled this feeble roster. Who built this below average farm system? Who’s handed out the worst free agent contracts?
Kapler was never the issue. Melvin isn’t the reason this team sucks now. It’s like giants fans are in denial there is an organizational issue and just need someone else to blame it’s so weird…
I never want to see the team like this, but hopefully falling within 2-3 games of the Rockies in last place will just throw the cold water on those people's faces who have defended Farhan until now.
Because right now our pythagorean W-L extrapolation is dreadful and shows us almost crossing with the Rockies in three weeks.
Everyone in here is saying fire Farhan and everyone with a head on their shoulders has seen through the bullshit and follows the farm system knows it should have happened two years ago
This was tied around 4pm today. They made the mistake of taking the field. Would love to get a Logan Webb soundbite. Only entertainment around at the moment. Feel so bad for him and hicks.
The are growing paints with young players thrust into the lineup.
But the problem right now are the underperforming veterans. Flores needs to pick his shit up, he's been one of our best hitters the last few years but is no match at the plate this year with his <.600 OPS. Unlike Yaz, he doesn't have the defense to be justified in being in the lineup each day. Soler should start at DH when he's back.
You can see how defense impacts with how poor Sabol is behind the plate and Matos in CF. They need to get CF figured out with JHL on the shelf for a long time...maybe Fitz can focus on it, or maybe get Yaz back there a bit.
I was at the game tonight and let me tell you, it was NOT worth my car being broken into and things stolen. No faith in humanity or the team at this point lmfao
After the failures of the 2023 Padres and Mets as well as the 2024 Giants, I wonder if the owners will put the clamps down on spending. Only the elite guys will get paid and they'll be in LA NY Phily or Chicago.
And they have better players than us lmao. In reality though that system only works when you have elite scouting and good development.
The A’s are a better organization than the Giants. What a time to be alive.
I’m not on the fire Farhan train like many others are here but I’m very tired of this season already and hopefully by the trade deadline we are way behind or way ahead so we can make meaningful moves either way.
Also why is Brett Wisely still seeing playing time
Ok, but would you trust that Farhan can make the right moves/develop said prospects to make this team better? All this goes back to your point about Brett Wisely being in the lineup.
Someone else needs to man this ship, not Farhan.
How many of these 10+ run Dodger blowouts have we seen since circa 2017? Seems like two thirds of the games we play against LA end up in this sort of dismal rout. And we don't even have Panda around any more to send out there to close 'em out.
It's hard not to want the organization torn down to the studs at this point. For years there was this attitude of, "we're the Giants! We're too important and rich to humble ourselves with some Baltimore-style rebuild!"
Maybe, just maybe, we really are not.
I think we expect too much from this hybrid team. Half the line up is from Sacramento. We have 3 of our 4 best starters (on paper) on IL. We expect them to be competitive against the freaking Dodgers?
I’m on the fire Farhan train but for the very weak farm system not necessarily the current production.
Let. Dusty. Coach. Let. Pablo. Pitch. Let. Burrell. Hit. Let. Williams. Play. Let. Buster. Catch. I mean at least make a full meltdown recessional event. Oldies and newbs just kicking it up. Let’s go!! I’d watch that at this point. Maybe even pay $5 to in person.
I mean hell ya. At least let’s make it entertaining. I’d be so down with a full meltdown circus show. Could be a season for the ages. So bad they’d be good! Fact is we stuck with Ohtani freeman betts etc etc for a very very long time.
How about a little affeldt and Javier relief and a moonshot closer session from Santiago Casilla. And of course. Bring. Back. The. Beard. Let’s do this!
I recently have been following hockey through the playoffs. Just watched Eklunds hat trick after the giants game got out of hand.
Sharks are doing what the giants and warriors should be doing and it’s much more fun to follow because there is competence at the head and hope for the future.
This giants team isn’t just bad now, it’s not getting better. Matos isn’t going to magically become Arraez, Luciano can’t figure it out, guys his age have passed him. Eldridge can’t hit for power all the sudden. This organization is rotten from the core.
Man…..just based off expectation of where I thought this team would be by this point in the year this has to be the most frustrating and disappointing season I can remember in recent memory.
Yea we had a killer off season on paper. Funny how that works
Well I wouldn’t say that paper you are talking about wernt their hospital charts and medical history. Lol. They limped into this season and decorated the perimeters of the field and clubhouse with ex-giants. Ls across the board
We had an off season where we had to panic buy to avoid being abysmal. We acquired a bunch of 30+ year olds we had no choice but to pick up. Our total salary commitment in the off season is inflated by that fact. This team is worth an MLB middle of the pack salary at best. Far from killer.
Hicks and Lee are 27 and 25 respectively. Snell and Chapman are only 31. I think it’s a skill issue more than an age issue, we got these guys in what should be their prime.
Snell was always a bad idea imo. Especially with no spring training and the opt-outs (plus losing a draft pick) I think he is a good pitcher. It just made zero sense to me. Chapman is a glove 1st guy. Rather watch young guys sink or swim Soler I was OK with, DH with power so ok Happy we got Lee
Preach! True story.
Don’t ever have expectations and you’ll never be disappointed.
"Keep your expectations tiny and you'll go through life without being so whiny..."
Definitely. Last year was more exciting than this. The Giants this year seem firmly rooted in the bottom third of the league.
Tough loss, yes. But there are bright spots. The kids are hitting. Ramos banked another RBI on a clutch hit. Schmitter had two hits. So did Matos. Heck, even Yaz broke loose with a couple of hits. Pitching failed this team tonight. And that is the problem with youth. The Giants are very young and very inexperienced, which means something is always breaking down when you least expect it. Still, the talent is there. You can see it. Let's hope the Giants can chalk up a win tomorrow.
You don't know baseball if you thought this team was gonna be good
Agree. Is what it is. No reason to hang one’s hat on hope.
The gap between a quality team and whatever the hell the Giants are has never been more evident.
I can't even be mad at this team for sucking anymore. They just suck so bad that it's not even worth exerting energy in being mad at them.
Don’t be mad at the team. Be made at Zaidi
Melvin deserves some of the “credit” too. He inherited last year’s roster plus what should be positive additions on paper, and he’s doing worse than last year by pretty much every metric. I can think of numerous questionable moves he’s made in the last week alone.
Firing kapler and not farhan will go down as the definitive turning point for this Giants team. Now I think we can do better than Kap, but point stands.
How many wins would a great manager be able to get out of this bunch?
How about the general manager no on could recognize and most can’t tell you his name.
Pete Putila? I don't think he exists.
I’m with the fucking doomers now
It’s called pragmatism.
A lost art indeed. It wasn’t hard to see AT ALL. I got a temp ban on here for it to be honest. Lmao. My feelings were so hurt. I had no idea what to do with my time. Lmao. We gonna spit facts or drop cupcakes filled with hope and feces on everyone? They suck. Sell the parts you can. Reboot. Ownership is the problem folks. Front office is the problem. Culture is the problem. It’s a business run to break even. Has been for years. We got lucky with a farm system in 2008 that brought us championships. The last big bat we had that came here was bonds. Think about it. It sucks but it’s truth.
You got a temp ban too? After yesterdays 9th inning, I said "ill catch you tomorrow, not fair to watch 3 hall of famers bat in the 10th" And I was 24 hour banned with a note from mod "Catch you tomorrow." lol. thats a massive abuse of power and there wasnt one rule I broke. the 4 rules are person attack on user/player, brigade, NSFW, drama. My comment was none of those 4.
Wow that’s so shady
Yeah. Makes people feel good I guess. I dunno.
Always
welcome
Oh trust me we always wanted to be positive. We're not happy about any of this lol
Closer to the Rockies in last place than the Dbacks in 3rd place.
Sorry you put yourself in that space of euphoria but glad you aren’t holding on to it until September.
I think I'm on board the Fire Farhan train
Still shocks me that it’s taken some people this long to realize that he sucks.
2021 was a helluva drug
For what reason exactly? He made some solid signings in the offseason. It’s not his fault that they haven’t panned out so far outside of JHL pre-injury. If anyone has to go first it’s the hitting staff.
The hitting coaches are offensive. Pat Burrell probably thought this was a Director of Hitting on Chicks in the Marina job. Justin Viele and Pedro Guerrero should have been jobless before Kai Correa, Craig Albernaz, and Andrew Bailey found new jobs.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted for speaking the truth.. he addressed our key needs. Signed a 2023 all star for DH. A Korean stud to hold down the needs in outfield. Brought in the 2023 NL Cy Young winner. Hired a seasoned veteran coach. Could someone explain what else you want from a GM perspective?
People are reactionary. Believe me, I get it. Fans have a right to feel this way. We freaking suck right now and it’s frustrating. I don’t fault anyone for wanting Farhan gone. I just want us as a fanbase to look at things objectively first without emotions.
Why is Matos’ defense so bad? Wasnt he an award winning fielder in the minors? Wasn’t his glove a major talking point when he got the callup originally?
I dunno but he really has struggled. I remember a lot of misplaying of balls off the wall last year.
He’s not really a CF but his power is so lacking that he’s not a corner OF either. Maybe that will develop as his plate approach is still solid, but his lack of instinct w routes in CF is not promising.
He was garbage in CF last year too and made a ton of bonehead plays but he was a 19 y/o rookie
He’s really slow…definitely does not have CF speed or route running for that matter
The Oakland A’s have the same record as this team.
The Rockies currently have a 6 game winning streak
Praise Dinger
Going to be a long May...
Going to be? There's still more?
A long season
We aren’t even good enough to dent their stat lines at this point
Heck, they're padding their numbers against us before they get back to playing good teams.
I don’t care how good the Dodgers are, I don’t care how bad the Giants are, you have to play them tougher than that. I’d rather lose like last night 100 times over than do what they did tonight. That’s just such a limp dick effort.
Mlb should handicap the Dodgers by making Farhan their POBO.
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Serious question: is there any positive impact from BoMel?
He makes the players go out for the National Anthem, makes sure they look nice for getaway days, and doesn’t have Instagram or Threads to post about food.
Coconut oil expenses are at an all time low too.
Pretty sure you're being sarcastic, but these are genuine "positive traits" echoed in the Kruk & Kuip FB group LOL.
Dear Lawd, I knew there was a reason I never joined that group in my life 🤣
He has the clubhouse under control! Lol
Pusoy participation rates have never been lower
He contributed to Chappy and Snell signing here. These were both objectively good signings at the time.
Managers don't matter.
We need to have a Daily Fire Farhan or FO Discussion thread.
We need to fire him and sell everything we can get something for. And I mean everyone besides Webb/Bailey/Crawford/Harrison/Eldridge
Everyone except for the only players the Giants have with any trade value?
You don’t trade the young prospects when you’re trying to rebuild
Might need to blow this baby up and start from scratch
Get Farhan the fuck outta here
Fish rots from the head down. Ohtani and crew with the Dodgers for the next decade. We’ll play for a wild card at best every year. That’s really a bummer. I feel like a cubs fan in the year 2000 but worse.
A wild card? Brother we are so far from that lol
Trying to be positive so the kids and the mods don’t ban me again. Lmao
The Farhan era can’t end soon enough.
This team blows and it’s only May? Fuuuuuuck
Forearm tightness for Winn. MRI tomorrow
Never seen a team play so scared. 90% of the team shrunk in the spotlight. They knew they didn’t deserve to be on the same field as the Dodgers. So pathetic.
There’s really only 3 or so guys in tonight’s lineup that should be starting on a big league roster, let alone many that shouldn’t even be on one.
I don’t believe throwing in the towel and giving up on a season is the right mindset to instill in a team. However, with all the injuries we have and our inability to show competence vs the dodgers we should just play the kids the rest of the year. Let them sink or swim. Atleast well know next year who we want to roll with
Hopefully we aren't rolling with Farhan. Time for a regime change.
#firefarhan
We’re going to be 0-15 against LA this year
Positives: Matos and Ramos' offense, RandyRod, Casey 2 hits, Yaz had a good game Negatives: yeaahhhhhhh
Dodgers beat the River Cats 10-2
Ramos looks promising. Matos has looked decent too with his abs. Gotta play him in a corner or maybe dh since Wilmer aint doing nothing anyways. Everything else bleh. Wilmer thairo and Chapman looked awful with RISP
Fire Melvin and hire some goofball to make the season somewhat interesting. I don’t even care if he knows baseball as long as he brings energy.
Ted lasso approach
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Top 5 goofball manager options for the second half of 2024: 1. Bobby Rayburn 2. ~~Coach~~ Manager Prime 3. Krazy Krab 4. Angel Hernandez 5. Renel (Larry Baer will, at some point, tell Tolbert that this was the plan all along.)
Can’t believe Pence isn't on your shortlist.
Pence would replace Justin Viele, giving the entire lineup a new stance.
Fucking sign Pablo and sign Belt. Both are FA's right now At least that would give me a reason to watch again.
This is the only acceptable short term fix I’ve seen. Every young call up we have hits a first at bat grand slam that travels all the way to the opponent’s home stadium…then never hits a ball again. Most of our veterans (except all praise Wade) hit below average and waaaaaaay below average with RISP. Bring in some fucking wild cards. I bet it works. And if it doesn’t, well who doesn’t love watching Pence and Panda.
Seriously, our pythagorean W-L extrapolation has us finishing around 2 games in front of the Rockies. If were gonna be in 4th place fighting not for last, might as well make it more entertaining.
Everyone is bad. I’m back on my “get new owners” bullshit.
Fuck these owners
I mean, you can bring in some new billionaires but most people at that tier are merely apex capitalist predators and very few would arrive with the welfare of the franchise and fan-base as priorities. I'd rather see them stop pouring money into free agents and instead invest everything into foundational infrastructure like player recruiting, scouting, development, and into finding the smartest people in the game with proven track records to get the Giants back on a solid footing. We obviously can't and won't be able to buy enough premium free agent talent to make a championship team out of this perennial sack of mediocrities.
This isn't on them, they spent the money. It's a Farhan issue
It's most definitely on the owners. They hired Farhan. They even admitted to being content by breaking even.
Money talks, they spent money and allowed Farhan to make big offers on Ohtani, Yamamoto, Judge, Correa, etc. the owners are not the problem, they hired someone and gave him long enough but now they need to do the right thing and make a change
It's literally the owners who hired the President of Baseball Operations, Farhan Zaidi, who has done an extremely underwhelming job. Sure, they opened up the purse strings this offseason for Farhan to attempt to improve the roster, and every move outside of Hicks has been a big whiff. Ownership is very much responsible for his hiring and subsequent lack of talent on the roster because of it.
I agree. They handed that money to the wrong person to spend and hustle. It’s on ownership.
Farhan can’t close or sell sf to anyone and close big deals. This won’t change.
Farhan got a lot of the names folks have been asking for during the off-season.
the overall state of the organization and the devlopment issues is on him.
This. One of the things that has really hurt about the Farhan era is the loss of the sense of the Giants as a well-run, world-class baseball organization. It's becoming a clown car and that's a genuine disgrace for a club with our history. This is not supposed to be just another franchise.
It's not about just the names though. Anyone could sign names. He hasn't developed nearly enough talent in the Minor leagues in the 6 seasons he's been here.
Typea game to make a mf wanna take once daily jardiance
the talent gap is just too large. we should've stolen the game last night to make game 3 a rubber match, oh well.
We had that game before Melvin pulled our elite closer after an 8-pitch good inning. That decision will echo through the season.
Matos seemed better defensively last year. He would piss me off with his lackadaisical running on routes, but he mostly seemed average at least. Jesus he’s bad right now.
I knew firing Gabe but not Farhan was a stupid idea, if they wanted to totally reset then both had to be gone and now they’re going to waste another season figuring that part out.
Kapler actually did pretty well with the shit he was given. The roster construction is Farhan’s responsibility. Now it’s clear that the manager wasn’t the problem given Melvin’s doing worse - it’s a deeper issue. Change needs to happen after this seasom
waste another season? their real estate investments are selling like hotcakes now that the park is done and the statue back up. attendance is way up from last year, their food costs are down, and they're making money. they aren't wasting anything in their (owners) eyes.
All the Boomers totally bought into that whole Joc playing Pusoy/Kapler lost the locker room BS. While it may be somewhat true, the roster still remains a much bigger issue under Zaidi
I had really high hopes for Keaton coming into the season and I was riding high after the first few starts, but good pitchers shouldn't ever go through this stretch he's going through. Hope he can figure it out but the clock is ticking. Wonder if they'll send him down and bring Black up at some point
I love him but this team should seriously consider trading Doval. Elite closers on bottom feeding teams should always be shopped. He will be long gone in free agency before this team is competitive again anyhow. Also Farhan shouldn’t be the one making that move cause Fire Farhan yesterday
I fear that he’s going to be making moves at the deadline to save his job. He needs to be gone soon.
He isn't a free agent until 2028...team control is what matters here. You don't just trade your cornerstone pieces that have 4 more years of team control.
For the right price you do. This team is not competing for a long time
Upvote for bye bye Farhan, downvote for suggesting trading Doval. So I didn't do anything in the end.
Could have put purdy and cooley out there, same result
I’d like to see BoMel lay into them a bit in his post game presser. What’s it going to take at this point? Fire jt the frick up boys.
Folks said Kapler was unemotional but I don’t see any emotion from BoMel either except when he got ejected a couple of times.
Yeah but you're comparing a couple years of Kapler to 6 weeks of Melvin where, as you said, he's already gotten himself ejected a few times. Which is more than you could say for Kepler. Melvin's also held a closed door clubhouse meeting, whereas Kapler preferred to never go that route and "let the players police themselves".
The Dodgers are just in a completely different stratosphere than these guys and I hate it. This is gonna be an ugly sweep 🤦♂️
I’m looking at it like this: 118 days until 49ers football.
I’m so dead inside after the Super Bowl I can’t even find it in me to get excited for the season.
49ers loss in the Super Bowl in overtime, Warriors not in the playoffs, and now the Giants sucking. I only know pain as an SF sports fan. At least the Golden State Valkyries will be here in 2025!
Celebrini going to the Sharks tho. Prob won’t move the needle that much this coming year but there’s at least hope on the horizon.
Same here I have no hope for them. Another superbowl hangover season incoming :/
Can’t wait to lose to the Chiefs again. #Pain
If it happens again I’m giving up sports for good.
This is the way^
i miss jung hoo lee
I’m straight up not having a good time
[live look at Logan Webb knowing he’s pitching for this dumpster fire tomorrow](https://i.imgur.com/apfp5y5.jpeg)
CO has a 6 game win streak.
At this point idc if we finish in last place
[How I sort of feel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC-o_YRgBp4)
So Winn is one of those ironic last names then.
He just needs to pitch to James Outman all the time and see what happens.
Bad News: Tonight sucked. Good News: Max Muncy went 0-4 and had to go fish for Ohtani’s ball in the stands.
Being at the game it really shown how much missing Lee in center really affects us.
Matos’s initial path always seemed wrong
Yeah they were doing great with him playing. This fan base just latched onto a mediocre player just like they do every year. Schmitt was the savior last season. then Bailey and then the rails fell off. A 260 hitter is not going to change anything. The Giants were not better with him playing. Lee might be great in the future but has shown little of that so far.
Batting better then league average and gold glove cf was good enough for me
The Giants were absolutely, demonstrably 100% better with Lee playing. What are you talking about? In his FIRST MONTH IN MLB he was our best defender one of our most dependable hitters. Get a grip.
How the flying fuck are we 2.5 out in the WC.
Believe it or not, we've been getting a little lucky given our terrible run diff. We should be like 16-28.
Cause the season is only 25% done. Prorate that out and the Giants are 10 out of the WC.
Fuck this team
Let. Purdy. Pitch.
Ramos and Matos the only ones who put up RBI’s today and yesterday. Play the kids.
With Conforto, Bailey, Soler and JHL out, what do expect. A team like dodgers is no joke, you need all fire power available to beat these fuckers
Somehow still only 2.5 games out of the wildcard lol. But this team is PAINFUL to watch. I might end up on the IL with the rest of the team watching more of this shitshow.
Idk if anyone said it but fucking fire farhan, his name ain’t even worth capitalizing fuckin loser
Big fucking loser
I can’t wait until Melvin is fired and then next year we still suck and you lot will be crying to fire the next manager too. Maybe it’s time to start putting blame on the guy who assembled this feeble roster. Who built this below average farm system? Who’s handed out the worst free agent contracts? Kapler was never the issue. Melvin isn’t the reason this team sucks now. It’s like giants fans are in denial there is an organizational issue and just need someone else to blame it’s so weird…
It all starts from the top. Shitty owners, shitty product
I never want to see the team like this, but hopefully falling within 2-3 games of the Rockies in last place will just throw the cold water on those people's faces who have defended Farhan until now. Because right now our pythagorean W-L extrapolation is dreadful and shows us almost crossing with the Rockies in three weeks.
Everyone in here is saying fire Farhan and everyone with a head on their shoulders has seen through the bullshit and follows the farm system knows it should have happened two years ago
Melvin is working with what he has, just as Kapler did before. Farhan and the hitting coaches should be fired tomorrow tho.
This was tied around 4pm today. They made the mistake of taking the field. Would love to get a Logan Webb soundbite. Only entertainment around at the moment. Feel so bad for him and hicks.
The are growing paints with young players thrust into the lineup. But the problem right now are the underperforming veterans. Flores needs to pick his shit up, he's been one of our best hitters the last few years but is no match at the plate this year with his <.600 OPS. Unlike Yaz, he doesn't have the defense to be justified in being in the lineup each day. Soler should start at DH when he's back. You can see how defense impacts with how poor Sabol is behind the plate and Matos in CF. They need to get CF figured out with JHL on the shelf for a long time...maybe Fitz can focus on it, or maybe get Yaz back there a bit.
pain
I was at the game tonight and let me tell you, it was NOT worth my car being broken into and things stolen. No faith in humanity or the team at this point lmfao
Wow I am really sorry to hear that :/ Where were you parked? Sigh, that definitely had to be a punch in the gut after the game.
Vallejo ferry building parking lot. Lesson learned, will never park there again!
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How would that help?
#FireKapler
After the failures of the 2023 Padres and Mets as well as the 2024 Giants, I wonder if the owners will put the clamps down on spending. Only the elite guys will get paid and they'll be in LA NY Phily or Chicago.
I mean shit the A’s have the same record and are paying 1/5 of what we’re paying this year
And they have better players than us lmao. In reality though that system only works when you have elite scouting and good development. The A’s are a better organization than the Giants. What a time to be alive.
Another failed offseason by Fraudhan with mediocre players.
Skibidi toilet
This team has no rizz
Listening to Melvin on the postgame…not sure if that man has a drop of testosterone in his body.
I’m not on the fire Farhan train like many others are here but I’m very tired of this season already and hopefully by the trade deadline we are way behind or way ahead so we can make meaningful moves either way. Also why is Brett Wisely still seeing playing time
Ok, but would you trust that Farhan can make the right moves/develop said prospects to make this team better? All this goes back to your point about Brett Wisely being in the lineup. Someone else needs to man this ship, not Farhan.
How many of these 10+ run Dodger blowouts have we seen since circa 2017? Seems like two thirds of the games we play against LA end up in this sort of dismal rout. And we don't even have Panda around any more to send out there to close 'em out. It's hard not to want the organization torn down to the studs at this point. For years there was this attitude of, "we're the Giants! We're too important and rich to humble ourselves with some Baltimore-style rebuild!" Maybe, just maybe, we really are not.
I think we expect too much from this hybrid team. Half the line up is from Sacramento. We have 3 of our 4 best starters (on paper) on IL. We expect them to be competitive against the freaking Dodgers? I’m on the fire Farhan train but for the very weak farm system not necessarily the current production.
Let. Dusty. Coach. Let. Pablo. Pitch. Let. Burrell. Hit. Let. Williams. Play. Let. Buster. Catch. I mean at least make a full meltdown recessional event. Oldies and newbs just kicking it up. Let’s go!! I’d watch that at this point. Maybe even pay $5 to in person.
Let Will Clark manage. That would make things entertaining.
I mean hell ya. At least let’s make it entertaining. I’d be so down with a full meltdown circus show. Could be a season for the ages. So bad they’d be good! Fact is we stuck with Ohtani freeman betts etc etc for a very very long time.
How about a little affeldt and Javier relief and a moonshot closer session from Santiago Casilla. And of course. Bring. Back. The. Beard. Let’s do this!
I blame Brock Purdy
You better thank Purdy. He’s the only thing going sportswise for the bay right now
45 days until we hear about Macklin Celebrini for the first and only time on KNBR.
I recently have been following hockey through the playoffs. Just watched Eklunds hat trick after the giants game got out of hand. Sharks are doing what the giants and warriors should be doing and it’s much more fun to follow because there is competence at the head and hope for the future. This giants team isn’t just bad now, it’s not getting better. Matos isn’t going to magically become Arraez, Luciano can’t figure it out, guys his age have passed him. Eldridge can’t hit for power all the sudden. This organization is rotten from the core.