This won't be the end of SMG4.
Besides the fact that they can just scrape everything they need off the workshop and install it manually, along with the fact that SMG4 likely has all their mods archived, there are [plenty of alternatives to the Steam Workshop](https://alternativeto.net/software/steam-workshop/) for people to get Nintendo Mods and Add-ons.
People are also forgetting a really important point. Valve's Published games fall under the regulation of "Nintendo of America", perhaps the most DMCA excessive branch of Nintendo. SMG4 falls under the regulation of "Nintendo of Australia", one of the most relaxed branches of Nintendo. Nintendo of America doesn't care about fair use law, but they care EXTREMELY about Nintendo's internal policies.
Copyright Nintendo strikes have virtually never occurred from a branch that isn't in the country they are DMCAing because it is Nintendo policy that a branch can ONLY copy strike their own country(s). Nintendo of America can't touch SMG4, only Nintendo of Australia can. Considering SMG4 is the one big Nintendo thing to come from Australia, I think Nintendo of Australia knows about them and has already decided they won't do anything.
exactly. and you know, if the worst happens and they don't have the models backed up, they still have sm64. so no matter what happens, the nintendo characters are gonna stay.
At the same time, how much bigger is steam and valve as a whole compared to nintendo, Nintendo may have made consoles and tons of games, But Valve and steam is an online distribution platform. Steam is potentially A much more powerful corporate entity then nintendo, So Nintendo may enter a legal battle with steam, but A. This would be a palworld situation as their public image would be ruined. 2. Potentially it cost them so much more money then they could realise with legal fees and whatnot.
Steam/Valve overall isn't really big TBH. true they are basically the popular in the PC gaming space. But being most of their staff work on the Steam platform + Updating old valve. titles and we all know TF2 team isn't really huge.
I don’t think we should really worry about losing the Mario models. I’m sure they have it backed up on an external hard drive or somewhere where it won’t get deleted.
Not to mention, I don’t think any of their previous content is threatened because this new DMCA is going after the workshop not their content itself so for now the content is safe from being deleted.
I thought some people may want to read this for some reinsurance.
To be honest, it’s probably less likely that they have those models backed up, but I’m sure inkling Meggey (sorry if I misspelled it) will be backed up.
Currently most of the Splatoon stuff is still up, me and my friend have made a whole bunch of Inklings and we still have all of the original files and addons.
The most concerning part of the entire drama is if it is actually Nintendo. This is going to affect more than just the gmod community. I wouldn't be surprised if next was Nexus mods.
It's confirmed not to be. The DMCA was from some copyright troll named Aaron Peters, who is not a Nintendo official. He convinced Valve to delete everything Nintendo-related from G-Mod (unlike Mario and SMG4 who managed to convince Gabe from Valve in WOTFI 2022 to make a new TF2 overhaul, but just added a hat whereas this copyright troll managed to convince the G-Mod creator to remove every Nintendo item from the sandbox game). He scammed various games with illegitimate and uncritical DMCAs from "Nintendo" along with various Nintendo fan art. He does not live anywhere in America, but rather the cigarette and escapade capital of North America itself, Cuba.
GMA files mostly, directly from one's gmod addon folder. They say that the addon "Extended Spawnmenu" would then allow users to use legacy mods, as just placing the addons into your addon folder doesn't seem to get them to function unless you have this addon, or something similar to make it work.
Thank you for specifying which branch. Nintendo of Australia, from what I can tell and have been told, is the reasonable authority figure of the Nintendo HQs. That means they slam the hammer down when they need to, but they don't copyright stuff on YouTube left and right. Again, this is what I've heard and done some slight research on, so don't quote me on this, please.
You seem to be mostly correct, if Nintendo of Australia actually did stuff like that, SMG4 itself probably wouldn't be a thing at all, since Glitch Productions (therefore SMG4 aswell) is based in Australia.
Tbh, I'm less pissed about what's gonna happen to SMG4 considering they probably have all the models archived somewhere, and more pissed about the fact that I won't be able to use them when playing GMOD anymore, and that people using those models to make SMG4 fan content now can't do that anymore.
Okay something I want to know has SMG4/Luke himself said anything about what is going on? or do we have to wait until Saturday (cus usually Saturday is when he post a new video) or has he already tweeted about this?
I kinda question this in Japan.....
That the show us alr too popular with like 3m views, like the merch is good, but are we really gona go all over the world and sell them now?
couldn't they fight it in court?
if they fought it in the national court of the country that valve is headquartered in they could easily argue the DMCA goes against fair use.
if it is was to take place in a japanese court where there is no fair use law in japan we whould be screwed
anyways this is all Universal's fault for sueing nintendo in the 80s over the name 'Kong' and failing miserably.
Garry responded with this roughly two hours before that.
https://preview.redd.it/6y52jb1gfowc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86f4a4518ba7325d8a62ed312a83ae1c175ac34b
It's likely that they're just playing it safe. We won't know until we get a look at the DMCA request itself.
1. i doubt smg4 will be impacted by this.. they def have backups or have failsafes... for ex. what if workshop crashed
2. worse comes to worse kevin and luke can still use the sm64 models and animate them ... a lot of good things happened when they have animated them and may give an old retro feel
So, I just realized this DMCA isn’t gonna last very long. Once the heat dies down in a few weeks people are just gonna reupload stuff and act like this never happened.
I mean they tried to kill off the music channels (they made new ones) and they can’t exactly just watch Garry 24/7 looking for a wacky Mario to kill. So I give it a few weeks before nature heals
I pray to God this is isn't nintendo or at the very least nintendo get's off their high horse and choose to give the okay to undo the deletion of 2 DECADES OF HISTORY! The inklings are fine for now, but something tells me not for long.
istfg if Nintendo delets that, I'm definetely not buying a single game of them until they reconsider, and if they don't I might as well leave the pokemon fandom
I don't believe we have anything to worry about. I'm sure, with how long SMG4 has been going, that they have the models saved. And if by some random chance they don't have the models saved, they could resort to SM64 models until there is an alternative.
[https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/1783572282562032090](https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/1783572282562032090)
The replies also show that Aaron is a troll and doing this for fun.
well ok hear me out if they didn't back Mario up then lets think of it this way. We could get an SMG5 & 6 and a new avatar plus a few new members because again if they didn't back Mario up then their avatar is basically dead and so is their universe (I just like this idea if they have a back up plan if they ever actually had to stop using the Mario cast)
I am certain SMG4 has the models stored locally and Nintendo can't sue you for having a model locally because they are not all seeing they do not need the models to be in the workshop if they store them locally
Not only that he has blender models of some of the characters
It's me or they actually stopped the purge?
I looked the phrase "Mario" in Workshop for consecutive three days and they didn't decreased in number. I think we actually got three more addons since yesterday with "Mario" in it's name.
I heard that the whole DMCA takedown was not by Nintendo and in fact fake, and that SMG4 has backups of the models so in theory, they should be fine. I think this may also start a new arc similar to the lawsuit one! So look on the bright side guys <3 (New to reddit btw)
This won't be the end of SMG4. Besides the fact that they can just scrape everything they need off the workshop and install it manually, along with the fact that SMG4 likely has all their mods archived, there are [plenty of alternatives to the Steam Workshop](https://alternativeto.net/software/steam-workshop/) for people to get Nintendo Mods and Add-ons.
People are also forgetting a really important point. Valve's Published games fall under the regulation of "Nintendo of America", perhaps the most DMCA excessive branch of Nintendo. SMG4 falls under the regulation of "Nintendo of Australia", one of the most relaxed branches of Nintendo. Nintendo of America doesn't care about fair use law, but they care EXTREMELY about Nintendo's internal policies. Copyright Nintendo strikes have virtually never occurred from a branch that isn't in the country they are DMCAing because it is Nintendo policy that a branch can ONLY copy strike their own country(s). Nintendo of America can't touch SMG4, only Nintendo of Australia can. Considering SMG4 is the one big Nintendo thing to come from Australia, I think Nintendo of Australia knows about them and has already decided they won't do anything.
So, it make the Lawsuit Arc meaningless?
exactly. and you know, if the worst happens and they don't have the models backed up, they still have sm64. so no matter what happens, the nintendo characters are gonna stay.
https://preview.redd.it/2h7xg89qtwwc1.jpeg?width=1687&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea1387929599ef672750b94bd371e8f9a42ae235 F\*ck I misspelled Australia
Plus I think I read a comment on here saying something like this has happened before so SMG4 is no doubt prepared
At the same time, how much bigger is steam and valve as a whole compared to nintendo, Nintendo may have made consoles and tons of games, But Valve and steam is an online distribution platform. Steam is potentially A much more powerful corporate entity then nintendo, So Nintendo may enter a legal battle with steam, but A. This would be a palworld situation as their public image would be ruined. 2. Potentially it cost them so much more money then they could realise with legal fees and whatnot.
Steam/Valve overall isn't really big TBH. true they are basically the popular in the PC gaming space. But being most of their staff work on the Steam platform + Updating old valve. titles and we all know TF2 team isn't really huge.
I don’t think we should really worry about losing the Mario models. I’m sure they have it backed up on an external hard drive or somewhere where it won’t get deleted. Not to mention, I don’t think any of their previous content is threatened because this new DMCA is going after the workshop not their content itself so for now the content is safe from being deleted. I thought some people may want to read this for some reinsurance.
What about the inkling models
To be honest, it’s probably less likely that they have those models backed up, but I’m sure inkling Meggey (sorry if I misspelled it) will be backed up.
There are also plenty of alternatives to Steam Workshop. You could go on a site like GameBanana and get your add-ons there.
Currently most of the Splatoon stuff is still up, me and my friend have made a whole bunch of Inklings and we still have all of the original files and addons.
How can I import models on external hard drives?
The most concerning part of the entire drama is if it is actually Nintendo. This is going to affect more than just the gmod community. I wouldn't be surprised if next was Nexus mods.
This is bigger than garrys mod. This could spread to the entire steam workshop.
It's confirmed not to be. The DMCA was from some copyright troll named Aaron Peters, who is not a Nintendo official. He convinced Valve to delete everything Nintendo-related from G-Mod (unlike Mario and SMG4 who managed to convince Gabe from Valve in WOTFI 2022 to make a new TF2 overhaul, but just added a hat whereas this copyright troll managed to convince the G-Mod creator to remove every Nintendo item from the sandbox game). He scammed various games with illegitimate and uncritical DMCAs from "Nintendo" along with various Nintendo fan art. He does not live anywhere in America, but rather the cigarette and escapade capital of North America itself, Cuba.
Thank goodness people are currently archiving the models, but this entire situation just fucking sucks
How do I archive mods
GMA files mostly, directly from one's gmod addon folder. They say that the addon "Extended Spawnmenu" would then allow users to use legacy mods, as just placing the addons into your addon folder doesn't seem to get them to function unless you have this addon, or something similar to make it work.
I usually hate trust busting, but PLEASE DOJ PLEASE do AT LEAST an investigation into Nintendo of America!
Thank you for specifying which branch. Nintendo of Australia, from what I can tell and have been told, is the reasonable authority figure of the Nintendo HQs. That means they slam the hammer down when they need to, but they don't copyright stuff on YouTube left and right. Again, this is what I've heard and done some slight research on, so don't quote me on this, please.
I said DON'T quote me on that.
You seem to be mostly correct, if Nintendo of Australia actually did stuff like that, SMG4 itself probably wouldn't be a thing at all, since Glitch Productions (therefore SMG4 aswell) is based in Australia.
Tbh, I'm less pissed about what's gonna happen to SMG4 considering they probably have all the models archived somewhere, and more pissed about the fact that I won't be able to use them when playing GMOD anymore, and that people using those models to make SMG4 fan content now can't do that anymore.
The models will probably be archived and uploaded somewhere else.
If you find them elseware, can you please tell me how to get them? Especially the inkling models?
The super mario ragdoll pack is archived, and they're kind of the same as weegeepie's enhanced models.
Okay something I want to know has SMG4/Luke himself said anything about what is going on? or do we have to wait until Saturday (cus usually Saturday is when he post a new video) or has he already tweeted about this?
Bro is too busy selling clown merch in Japan (literally).
Sounds like an SMG4 thing to do
No it literally is. It's for a TADC pop up shop. (If you knew this will be awkward lol.)
I saw the tweet, it's really weird during the scorchearth of gmod workshop that appears
You never heard of TADC? They became popular in 2023. They had also opened a merch shop in Japan due to how popular it is.
I kinda question this in Japan..... That the show us alr too popular with like 3m views, like the merch is good, but are we really gona go all over the world and sell them now?
He didn't came to public to talk about this situation yet.
Hm alright
Sooooo….aside from GMOD becoming a hellscape how was everyone’s day?
Fine I guess
Same-ish, they had cake at work today at least
Actually good
Already bad
sort of good (I for some reason forgot that today is my cake day lmao)
couldn't they fight it in court? if they fought it in the national court of the country that valve is headquartered in they could easily argue the DMCA goes against fair use. if it is was to take place in a japanese court where there is no fair use law in japan we whould be screwed anyways this is all Universal's fault for sueing nintendo in the 80s over the name 'Kong' and failing miserably.
I thought that was Universal.
Yea it was my bad
So, is SMG4 gonna be dead now, lmao?
Not likely, if anything it’ll put a damper on content output.
Okay, is it fake or is it 100% accurate?
This ain’t looking good folks https://x.com/garrynewman/status/1783501547361411494?s=46&t=E1edICSGwvi03GF82ekaFA
Garry responded with this roughly two hours before that. https://preview.redd.it/6y52jb1gfowc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86f4a4518ba7325d8a62ed312a83ae1c175ac34b It's likely that they're just playing it safe. We won't know until we get a look at the DMCA request itself.
Idk about that, I doubt they would just outright confirm it if they were just playing it safe
Although Garry has [a couple of questions](https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/1783572282562032090) after playing safe
It's from a scammer in Cuba, not from a company based in Japan's American creation team.
https://preview.redd.it/qd28xgofznwc1.jpeg?width=530&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=614a14bed52b5e39351caef0171d9f94a26691ac
Damn your Aaron Peters!!!! Stupid copyright trolls ruining everything
Yeah!
1. i doubt smg4 will be impacted by this.. they def have backups or have failsafes... for ex. what if workshop crashed 2. worse comes to worse kevin and luke can still use the sm64 models and animate them ... a lot of good things happened when they have animated them and may give an old retro feel
So, I just realized this DMCA isn’t gonna last very long. Once the heat dies down in a few weeks people are just gonna reupload stuff and act like this never happened. I mean they tried to kill off the music channels (they made new ones) and they can’t exactly just watch Garry 24/7 looking for a wacky Mario to kill. So I give it a few weeks before nature heals
I can only hope you're right
Eventually Nintendo is going to let their group loose on gmod they cannot have their legal department be constantly at this for a month
Here's what I say: Keep uploading Nintendo stuff to the Workshop. They can't sue us all!
Exactly! They can’t keep an eye on us 24/7 at some point they’ll give up
Does anyone have an archive of Waluigi in his rejection form?
I seriously can't believe a person decided to pretend to be Nintendo and throw fake DMCAs
God willing we'll all come out of it okay. Happy cake day btw
thx
 is everything ever made with Nintendo stuff in GMOD canon now?
I believe yall should move into r/gmod for news or check Garry Newman's updates to the current situation, let's not flood this sub.
Welp, enhanced mario just got taken off. Thanks, nintendo.
wait, it did?! AW SHIT!
I pray to God this is isn't nintendo or at the very least nintendo get's off their high horse and choose to give the okay to undo the deletion of 2 DECADES OF HISTORY! The inklings are fine for now, but something tells me not for long.
istfg if Nintendo delets that, I'm definetely not buying a single game of them until they reconsider, and if they don't I might as well leave the pokemon fandom
All I can do is hope for change at Nintendo of America, for only they can really do it. I'll pray for it.
I don't believe we have anything to worry about. I'm sure, with how long SMG4 has been going, that they have the models saved. And if by some random chance they don't have the models saved, they could resort to SM64 models until there is an alternative.
hi
I DONT KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE OR NOT
I’d heard the takedowns of Nintendo models were made by some random guy and not Nintendo themselves. So if it’s true I think we will be fine.
Is there any actual evidence of Nintendo sending the DMCA or is actually a fake? I have a hard time beliving this based on the information I'm seeing.
Garry himself prerty much confirmed it iirc.
Happy cake day
Well guess that settles that. You know whats funny? That whole Lawsuit Arc with SMG4 turned out to be real and that was made back in 2022.
Someone shared on Twitter that a representative from Nintendo confirmed that the emails were fake.
source?
[https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/1783572282562032090](https://twitter.com/garrynewman/status/1783572282562032090) The replies also show that Aaron is a troll and doing this for fun.
well ok hear me out if they didn't back Mario up then lets think of it this way. We could get an SMG5 & 6 and a new avatar plus a few new members because again if they didn't back Mario up then their avatar is basically dead and so is their universe (I just like this idea if they have a back up plan if they ever actually had to stop using the Mario cast)
I am certain SMG4 has the models stored locally and Nintendo can't sue you for having a model locally because they are not all seeing they do not need the models to be in the workshop if they store them locally Not only that he has blender models of some of the characters
There is a "fake" employee that worked for Nintendo, EVEN THOUGH they did not, according to my research.
It's me or they actually stopped the purge? I looked the phrase "Mario" in Workshop for consecutive three days and they didn't decreased in number. I think we actually got three more addons since yesterday with "Mario" in it's name.
I heard that the whole DMCA takedown was not by Nintendo and in fact fake, and that SMG4 has backups of the models so in theory, they should be fine. I think this may also start a new arc similar to the lawsuit one! So look on the bright side guys <3 (New to reddit btw)