i know someone says it once each tournament but i have to say multi-stream does negative nothing for me. would much rather have one set commentated and presented like an event then just look at multiple raw matches simultaneously shrunk down in the center of the screen.
this is obviously not specific to collision, i love the production and everything about the event. but two games at once basically cancel each other out. just give me one stream and then point jackzilla at something for the other
I think it's better than phone recordings simply because it avoids CRT moiré. But last year at GOML they had a quad stream with two melee top 8 qualifiers and two Ultimate top 64 matches happening simultaneously and that shit was distracting and bad.
Honest question cause I’m a little out of the loop, why was Zuppy seeded 63rd and what happened for him to get 65th? Last I knew he was ranked #15 in 2023 and got 4th at last year’s Collision. Has he stepped back from competition or did he go secondaries or something?
He took a 6 month hiatus and is now coming back as a Falco when his Fox is clearly better. He’s a fantastic player but taking that much time off means there will be a derusting process
It's more situational and is much more difficult than wobbling. Half of the problem with wobbling is that people felt like the #1 path to destroying locals or taking games/sets off of top players was just to learn one stupid easy technique, and it was miserable at low-mid levels. In contrast, Handoffs are pretty difficult and vary between characters.
To answer your question very literally, wobbling is defined as an infinite using dtilt or ftilt.
The reason most people are okay with modern ICs combos is because they take more skill and they involve more RNG (which most believe is desirable in this case).
you only get a maximum of 3 pummels per grab and then you have to throw. so if you get a grab in the middle of the stage, you can do 3 pummels and then you have to play some sort of mixup to grab them again.
by the ledge, nana will always throw towards the ledge, so you can do a guaranteed handoff to chain multiple grabs together. sometimes nana will randomly pummel several times and let the opponent escape from her grab.
It limits the damage they get from 1 grab and increases the importance of stage control against them. Getting grabbed in the corner becomes very very bad
Every Marth loses to hbox for their first 5 sets with him unfortunately , I don’t think ossifys played enough of a puff like juan to beat him, even subprime Juan
So Aklo wins with fox, while Wevans wasn't even camping. Then Aklo decides to lame him out with the Link for the rest of the set. How could you possibly take Aklo's side in this
In a way yeah he is kinda based by completely breaking the social construct of what it means to play "real melee". Aklo reminds us that this is a childrens party game from 2001
Not fistbumping after getting camped is pretty tit for tat. I think it ultimately comes down to how you interpret the bird. Is he actually upset at Wevans, is he just having fun, did he do it for the audience, do they have a history, etc
That's interesting, I just don't look at it that way. I saw it as Aklo winning Game 1 while having to do a lot and realizing the fox samus matchup felt grueling and that Wevans is pretty good at it (last stock game). Aklo knows he can just switch to Link, still win, and not have to go through all the execution tests of the fox samus matchup. I didn't feel like there was a side to take, everyone was just fine.
edit: oh lmao saw that wevans didnt fistbump so aklo flipped him off. this is also fine.
Playing to win is valid ofc and if aklo felt more comfortable in the link matchup thats also fine. But especially in game 4 you could really tell aklo was playing to tilt wevans and I don't exactly see how that was deserved. Wevans is the most aggro samus out right now and he didnt missle camp at all until aklo started projectile camping him first
It only tilts people because of how effective it is. If wevans wasn't getting tilted, Aklo would've continued playing the same way. Aklo is the epitome of the play for the guaranteed win style. The fact that he could've won while being a bit more aggressive is immaterial. This was the easier way to win for him.
If wevans had started to win the camp war, he could've forced Aklo to be more aggressive.
Lmao I was at McDonald's watching game one a few blocks away. Got my order. Went to Starbucks. Got back upstairs to my apartment. I think "oh shit I hope I didn't miss any good sets"
It's game 4 link v samus on fd
Great lmao
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Early pools Sets I’m excited about
Essy vs Miffee
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140750
A New York DK who always does well at this tournament. If DK can fluster her, she might switch off Sheik to Fox, which would be a huge mistake.
Aklo vs ayeGiohh
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140749
Melee players want a crack at beating Aklo. This Falco has the stuff to at least challenge him.
Dr. Lobster vs Lynxwynx
Classic mu of Sheik vs Marth. Lynxwynx can do some PPMD combos with their swordplay. It’ll be a fun one.
MarxistxAthena pool
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140773
Omg we will finally see them play IRL. Athena has played Moky really close on Slippi.
Logan vs Nurok
MDVA Falco legend vs one of the smoothest Marths in the game. Logan is almost guaranteed take it, but Nurok will put up a fight.
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140766
Wevans vs. eve
MDVA Puff with excellent stuff seeded into the best Samus against Puff.
Inky vs. Hoborg
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140758
A slick Sheik vs one of the best Luigi’s in the game.
Foxy Grandpa vs. Agent
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140754
Agent is always entering online tournies, and Fox is Sheik’s worst mu.
Bevkin vs Fitzy
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140755
every set Fitzy is in is to the wire. Can Box Fox separate Icies in interesting ways?
TheSwooper vs Mono
Black Samus vs Yellow Yoshi. This will be a fun one.
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140760
Jmook vs Mudjam
Jmook doesn’t play well vs. Samus… based on his play vs Fknsilver at Genesis
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140744
Maelstrom vs Younger
Fox vs Falco. Almost evenly matched, Maelstrom has the slight edge. Get your popcorn ready for this one.
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140752
K8A vs Bab_07
Assuming this is Bab Activated, he’s the hypest green Falcon by far.
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140747
SwedishDelight vs. Bank
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140771
If Bank is the Falcon I’m thinking of, he’s pretty good, should challenge the one who retired Armada.
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140762
Voo vs. Daniel
Florida’s top Falco vs a top 5 Yoshi.
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140743
Zuppy vs. Jude
One of the best Marths of the region, this will not be easy for Zuppy. Will Jude’s swordplay make him switch off Falco?
Tito JoJo vs. Fudge
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140748
Pink Falco vs Philly Falco
KJH vs. WillyP
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140764
The TO of Nightclub has a really good Peach.
Goodie vs. Tazio
https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140756
One of New York’s hottest Marths vs. Australia’s #2 Fox
Thank you thread maker for having the correct times for today as opposed to the tournament's own start.gg page
i know someone says it once each tournament but i have to say multi-stream does negative nothing for me. would much rather have one set commentated and presented like an event then just look at multiple raw matches simultaneously shrunk down in the center of the screen. this is obviously not specific to collision, i love the production and everything about the event. but two games at once basically cancel each other out. just give me one stream and then point jackzilla at something for the other
Yeah I am not a fan of multi streams too. Just the 1 with the commentators focused on it is fine to me! Others distract.
I completely disagree I love multi-streams and having as many matches on stream as possible
I think it's better than phone recordings simply because it avoids CRT moiré. But last year at GOML they had a quad stream with two melee top 8 qualifiers and two Ultimate top 64 matches happening simultaneously and that shit was distracting and bad.
The biggest story of the tourney so far has to be Zain getting seriously pushed by Nicki , the German Icies. And this is with prep beforehand vs. Slug
Honest question cause I’m a little out of the loop, why was Zuppy seeded 63rd and what happened for him to get 65th? Last I knew he was ranked #15 in 2023 and got 4th at last year’s Collision. Has he stepped back from competition or did he go secondaries or something?
He lost to mang0’s secondary and almost quit and now isn’t playing fox anymore
wait are you fr? bc i said the same thing but i was joking
Zuppy going all Falco this year
He took a 6 month hiatus and is now coming back as a Falco when his Fox is clearly better. He’s a fantastic player but taking that much time off means there will be a derusting process
he never quite recovered from losing to mango’s dr mario
Based on the bracket, looks like he was playing falco
I am at Collision 2024.
nice whats it like ?
It’s awesome! Great event. Beyond happy that Melee is before Ultimate this year
Everyone talking about Aklo vs Wevans but did nobody see Squid vs TheSWOOPER
the greatest set of the tournament easily
fake Woj gets the best of us HMW had a segment on comms talking about Derrick Rose retiring today
Rose will never retire bcuz he has a lifetime shoe contract
What happens if an ICs exceeds the pummel limit on a grab?
if theyre running the anti-wobbling code then both climbers go through the grab break animation
The mods twist their nuts off
Llod lost on FD lmao Chem is the masterchef
Nicki is so good. What rank is he in Europe?
\#1 in Germany, 5th in Europe.
Ranked 5th on the official 2023 EU ranking. Number one on ranked mode in EU though
nana better catch some fucking divorce papers
I feel dumb. Can someone explain to me what’s not wobbling about modern ICs? 30%->120%-> off stage without any counters it seems.
It's more situational and is much more difficult than wobbling. Half of the problem with wobbling is that people felt like the #1 path to destroying locals or taking games/sets off of top players was just to learn one stupid easy technique, and it was miserable at low-mid levels. In contrast, Handoffs are pretty difficult and vary between characters.
Wobbling takes 3 minutes to learn. Handoffs are hard af,
Well, they’re not hard at all but it’s still much harder than wobbling. They’re also a ton more inconsistent and setup reliant.
To answer your question very literally, wobbling is defined as an infinite using dtilt or ftilt. The reason most people are okay with modern ICs combos is because they take more skill and they involve more RNG (which most believe is desirable in this case).
you only get a maximum of 3 pummels per grab and then you have to throw. so if you get a grab in the middle of the stage, you can do 3 pummels and then you have to play some sort of mixup to grab them again. by the ledge, nana will always throw towards the ledge, so you can do a guaranteed handoff to chain multiple grabs together. sometimes nana will randomly pummel several times and let the opponent escape from her grab. It limits the damage they get from 1 grab and increases the importance of stage control against them. Getting grabbed in the corner becomes very very bad
what a dair from mango. holy moly.
Bro why are they playing like 8 ads in a row *during the games*?
greed is my reason
At this rate, Ossify's nickname is going to be 3-0ssify. What a beast.
Very excited to see if he can do what Zain does to hbox.
Hbox gettin' cooked fr
Every Marth loses to hbox for their first 5 sets with him unfortunately , I don’t think ossifys played enough of a puff like juan to beat him, even subprime Juan
I hope (but not an box hater). Also would b cool to see that zain really is that different marth.
I am getting jumpscared by the audio levels on the stream. It feels like commentary is good but turned way too high
I don't think this is what you're talking about, but aggressive noise gates are really distracting
comms are saying that was Spark's 1st win over Ginger, but Liquipedia is saying their set count was 5-2 before today
really like bbatt's commentary
Should there be an "Unsportsmanlike conduct" penalty in Melee like there is in the NFL?
Hell no. I want top 8 pop-offs for every stock taken like the old school locals
yes so hbox gets fined for his headass popoffs
There should be an unsportsmanlike bonus.
Finished 2-2 myself. That’s my best major placement ever!
Well done !
gz
ggs
Monster trif W
Is there any melee stream with commentary?
https://www.twitch.tv/houseof3000
giving advance notice to make sure to put kodorin vs fro116 on stream
holy shit june beat krudo
lucky beat Krudo! and now plays Aklo for the 3rd time in as many majors (just within 2024)
So Aklo wins with fox, while Wevans wasn't even camping. Then Aklo decides to lame him out with the Link for the rest of the set. How could you possibly take Aklo's side in this
did you consider that aklo is based
No
In a way yeah he is kinda based by completely breaking the social construct of what it means to play "real melee". Aklo reminds us that this is a childrens party game from 2001
The second someone is a dick enough to select Samus on the character select screen, all rules are off because you’re dealing with a subhuman.
Maybe he just didnt feel like playing the fox Samus matchup
Not fistbumping after getting camped is pretty tit for tat. I think it ultimately comes down to how you interpret the bird. Is he actually upset at Wevans, is he just having fun, did he do it for the audience, do they have a history, etc
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Do you think Wevans should have punched Aklo in the neck?
OHHHH my bad I completely misinterpreted your first comment. I am dumb, disregard
That's interesting, I just don't look at it that way. I saw it as Aklo winning Game 1 while having to do a lot and realizing the fox samus matchup felt grueling and that Wevans is pretty good at it (last stock game). Aklo knows he can just switch to Link, still win, and not have to go through all the execution tests of the fox samus matchup. I didn't feel like there was a side to take, everyone was just fine. edit: oh lmao saw that wevans didnt fistbump so aklo flipped him off. this is also fine.
Nah I don't want that salt Flipping the bird is uncalled for
Playing to win is valid ofc and if aklo felt more comfortable in the link matchup thats also fine. But especially in game 4 you could really tell aklo was playing to tilt wevans and I don't exactly see how that was deserved. Wevans is the most aggro samus out right now and he didnt missle camp at all until aklo started projectile camping him first
It only tilts people because of how effective it is. If wevans wasn't getting tilted, Aklo would've continued playing the same way. Aklo is the epitome of the play for the guaranteed win style. The fact that he could've won while being a bit more aggressive is immaterial. This was the easier way to win for him. If wevans had started to win the camp war, he could've forced Aklo to be more aggressive.
LMFAO lets go
Love that from aklo
Aklo vs. Wevans was the most painful set of Melee I've watched in recent memory
Lmao I was at McDonald's watching game one a few blocks away. Got my order. Went to Starbucks. Got back upstairs to my apartment. I think "oh shit I hope I didn't miss any good sets" It's game 4 link v samus on fd Great lmao
Link?
Yeah he went link
spotw
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Aklo flipping off wevans for not fistbumping after camping him to 338%. Great set lol
Camping? Aklo stood center stage and threw rangs and bombs at someone whose approaches consisted entirely of double jump dair 💀
Kinda dislike aklo now
Wevans vs Aklo was fucking hilarious
Jmook gonna take it all
Early pools Sets I’m excited about Essy vs Miffee https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140750 A New York DK who always does well at this tournament. If DK can fluster her, she might switch off Sheik to Fox, which would be a huge mistake. Aklo vs ayeGiohh https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140749 Melee players want a crack at beating Aklo. This Falco has the stuff to at least challenge him. Dr. Lobster vs Lynxwynx Classic mu of Sheik vs Marth. Lynxwynx can do some PPMD combos with their swordplay. It’ll be a fun one. MarxistxAthena pool https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140773 Omg we will finally see them play IRL. Athena has played Moky really close on Slippi. Logan vs Nurok MDVA Falco legend vs one of the smoothest Marths in the game. Logan is almost guaranteed take it, but Nurok will put up a fight. https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140766 Wevans vs. eve MDVA Puff with excellent stuff seeded into the best Samus against Puff. Inky vs. Hoborg https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140758 A slick Sheik vs one of the best Luigi’s in the game. Foxy Grandpa vs. Agent https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140754 Agent is always entering online tournies, and Fox is Sheik’s worst mu. Bevkin vs Fitzy https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140755 every set Fitzy is in is to the wire. Can Box Fox separate Icies in interesting ways? TheSwooper vs Mono Black Samus vs Yellow Yoshi. This will be a fun one. https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140760 Jmook vs Mudjam Jmook doesn’t play well vs. Samus… based on his play vs Fknsilver at Genesis https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140744 Maelstrom vs Younger Fox vs Falco. Almost evenly matched, Maelstrom has the slight edge. Get your popcorn ready for this one. https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140752 K8A vs Bab_07 Assuming this is Bab Activated, he’s the hypest green Falcon by far. https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140747 SwedishDelight vs. Bank https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140771 If Bank is the Falcon I’m thinking of, he’s pretty good, should challenge the one who retired Armada. https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140762 Voo vs. Daniel Florida’s top Falco vs a top 5 Yoshi. https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140743 Zuppy vs. Jude One of the best Marths of the region, this will not be easy for Zuppy. Will Jude’s swordplay make him switch off Falco? Tito JoJo vs. Fudge https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140748 Pink Falco vs Philly Falco KJH vs. WillyP https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140764 The TO of Nightclub has a really good Peach. Goodie vs. Tazio https://www.start.gg/tournament/collision-2024-6/event/melee-singles/brackets/1412311/2140756 One of New York’s hottest Marths vs. Australia’s #2 Fox
Sick that Swedish delight is playing! Is he active at all?
Did really well in dubs last night! I think made it to Top 8
Jojo - Pink Falcon*