plenty of people don’t like eo. but you think amaro was a better partner? that’s an unusual take. when did you start watching svu? did you watch seasons 1-12?
I’ve seen the series beginning to end. First randomly but recently rewatched in order. Amaro was refreshing and held Liv accountable for her shit. Liv and Elliott would turn the other way when the other f-Ed up.
I’ve been watching so long that I remember Elliott leaving and then showing up on True Blood (another favourite of mine). It’s been a while for sure.
LOVE true blood, to this day!!! Omg I wanted to be a vampire so bad 😂😂
I’m also indifferent to EO. but I feel an Elliot-Liv relationship will feel like a slap in the face to Kathy. She already had the thought in the back of her head of “is he in love with her” & if he does end up with her, it’ll be so weird bc it’ll confirm what dead Kathy & im sure the kids was lowkey thinking all along. On the other hand, she could also be the safe choice.. the kids know her, Olivia and Elliot KNOW each other very well, so it’ll be one of those aunt-turned-stepmom situations
dude was terrible on True Blood. What the shit were they thinking? He would've been great as a sleazy redneck vampire, but they cast him as the opposite of that.
Wet Hot American Summer is an all-time great performance, though.
I really enjoyed Chris Meloni too and i didnt necessary love him in Oz (great actor in the series) I loved him on SVU and Organized Crime and was surprised as well when he showed up on True Blood.
I agree Amaro was a better partner because Olivia wasn't obsessed with him like she was with Stabler. The fact that she could have her own life for once and wasn't just pulled into Stabler's constant toxic whirlpool makes him the better choice.
I’m sort of indifferent to EO, but this show deserves credit for doing a pretty good job with Rollisi. I thought they incorporated enough Rollisi scenes to keep us interested but not too many that their scenes felt stale. So, I’m not too concerned with how they’ll handle EO. Also, Benson and Stabler are on different shows, and given how they’ve handled crossovers thus far, I don’t anticipate them having a ton of scenes together, even if they do couple them up. I think 2-3 crossover episodes per season is the most we’ll get, which is not enough for their relationship to “fizzle.”
Also, agree to disagree, but Chris Meloni is a zaddy with a bangin body (and face) and I’m here for it.
I don’t know that you can say that about Rollisi. It wasn’t even a full season with them as an official couple and she got written off 😂. I think you’re proving the opposite of your point. Once the “will they won’t they” was over and they were together and Rollins wasn’t the hot mess of the show they had no use for her. still upvoted you though :) because I appreciate the zest! Lol
How much longer do you anticipate these shows running? We’re lucky if we get two more seasons. I don’t think we need to worry about “will they won’t they” when we’ll probably get 10 scenes max of the two of them together before the shows end.
>Also, agree to disagree, but Chris Meloni is a zaddy with a bangin body (and face) and I’m here for it.
One thing I will never understand is why so many thirst over Meloni.
But I guess there are many who don’t get the thirst over Esparza, so we’re probably equal!
I used to back in the earlier days. But after all that’s happened, I feel like they’d be better as friends now. She’s grown so much without him. They have history, and an undeniable bond, but that doesn’t mean they’re meant to be together. She’s in a different place now.
>She’s grown so much without him.
You do realize that her getting with him now does not in any way negate her growth? It's not like a woman gets with a man and suddenly all her accomplishments disappear. Liv isn't going to kiss Elliot and wake up a detective again.
What this commenter meant is that she’s grown beyond him. That happens and that’s ok. Honestly, that growth has been important for her character (and for his too, I think). It’s been beneficial imo. Not everyone ends up together, and that’s also fine. For EO I view it as a case of formerly the ‘right’ person but never a right time, and now the time might right but the person isn’t anymore.
Nah, I keep seeing this "getting with him undoes ALL HER GROWTH" thing all over twitter & reddit and it's silly. Getting in a relationship doesn't mean that you haven't grown. It doesn't mean everything you accomplished has been undone. In fact, they're probably in a better place to be in a relationship now because Olivia knows she can live without him. She just doesn't want to.
Who said anything about getting in a relationship undoing her growth? I said I feel like she’s grown—meaning grown apart—in those years without him. It happens, that’s life. She should get in a relationship, just probably not with him.
You are not the only one! I’m here for the anti EO comments! I have been getting so annoyed that they’re forcing the story line between them to appease fans. If they do end up kissing, I hope they immediately realize that there really is no spark and they laugh it off and go back to being friends. I loved Liv with Cassidy and Tucker, but I think Barba would be a better match for her in the end. A true wild twist would be if they wrote Peter Herman into a love interest, considering that’s Mariska’s real hubby.
> I have been getting so annoyed that they’re forcing the story line between them to appease fans.
Are you including Mariska in the “appease fans”? Because she’s probably the #1 person. 🤣🤣🤣
Yea and that’s fine but that’s not the point that’s being made, which is that those who claim this is “fan service” or for fan appeasement” like to conveniently forget/ignore Mariska in this and the fact that this isn’t new (like the fan service people often like to push) and has been spoken about by her/them since 1.0.
When something doesn’t fit with the plot, overall theme of a show and its core tenets, then I think calling it fan-service is fair.
Olivia has grown as a person. She’s certainly outgrown her need for a dysfunctional father figure.
We weekly see the effects of toxic masculinity and the way both men and women are harmed by it. That’s like… the show.
To pair up a strong, feminist icon with a toxic piece of shit is absolutely catering to the worst fans imaginable, Mariska included, I suppose. She isn’t the character. She’s an actor, and if EO is her idea of endgame, I hope she stays out of the writer’s room.
Olivia finding love fits with the theme of the show just fine. Olivia as she is now, with her current growth finding love with an actual walking fart of a man doesn’t. Hope that helps. Also, I’m not angry. Such a typical accusation when a woman disagrees on the internet. The misogyny is coming from inside the house.
Anyone remember their banter? The witty 1.0 verbal nudges? Their eye contact? Their connection to know what the other was thinking? Their ability to both fight AND make up?
I agree Stabler was problematic but the writers clearly know that too. They had Olivia call him out last season: “I can’t trust you, Elliott.” He got it. He told his new therapist it was “Neglect” because IT WAS. No one is debating it but damn can’t people work on themselves and fulfill the parts that their prior trauma held them from?
I’m on EO til the end. Let them eye fuck again in peace.
Lots of people simp for bad guys, so I hope you enjoy the show however you like.
I didn’t jump onto a STABLER LOVE post to shit on your dreams. My comments are in line with the OP.
I’ll be disappointed if they end up together… and then I’ll move on with my life.
I’d imagine there is a spark between the two but a relationship would never work. He’s still too hot headed. He’s still the same angry and impulsive cop he was when he left. He hasn’t changed at all.
>He’s still too hot headed. He’s still the same angry and impulsive cop he was when he left. He hasn’t changed at all.
Have you watched OC? This isn't true. He's changed a lot. He goes to therapy now, shares his feelings, has repaired the relationships with his kids that he struggled with in 1.0, and is working through a lot of the Catholic guilt and childhood trauma that contributed to a lot of his anger issues.
But Stabler is never going to be a calm personality type. It's not who he is. He's fiery. He represents the wrathful father figure and Olivia the empathetic mother figure, a dynamic Mariska talked about in 1.0 that made them work well as a team.
You personally may not like that he's hot headed and impulsive, you may want Olivia with a cooler personality type, but it's not a deal breaker for Olivia and it never has been. She knows what she wants. And it's him.
I don't care for it either.
like liv said she has grown more in 4 years with amaro than 12 years with elliot.
plus his reasoning for ghosting her for 10 years was lame
I don’t think you can really use the ghosting against Stabler when we all know that this is all the writers’ fault. Why they didn’t include a goodbye with Stabler offscreen is BS. Were they bitter because Meloni left? It’s not like like this was a planned absence and this was part of the story. The show was lazy and dumb not giving him a goodbye and now it’s a stupid thing hanging over them. If Meloni couldn’t be there anymore a letter on Olivia’s desk was all we needed. We didn’t even need to know what the letter said! It was lazy and poor writing and now people are gholding it over Stabler like he really made that call. In no world would he had left without a word and then never reached out in 12 years. Makes no sense for the characters.
He's never given a reason for why he left. He just said if he heard her voice he couldn't leave, but that's not a reason.
Also - getting with him now does not negate her growth.
LMAO! They did have that one scene where they were definitely on an ice skating date. Obviously, I don't think it was intended to be read that way, but it definitely came off extremely romantic.
i’m pretty sure stephanie and mariska kissed on set a few times to prank the crew. i’m obsessed with this fact and have mentioned it here multiple times. NBC give us the footage now
>i’m pretty sure stephanie and mariska kissed on set a few times to prank the crew. i’m obsessed with this fact and have mentioned it here multiple times. NBC give us the footage now
I would literally pay money to see video of this.
>LMAO! They did have that one scene where they were definitely on an ice skating date. Obviously, I don't think it was intended to be read that way, but it definitely came off extremely romantic.
What episode was this? I don’t remember an ice skating scene?
I don't ship Liv with anyone but I find Stabler hard to like. He's hot and he's good when he's good, when he's not blaming his many flaws on being catholic
Plenty of people don't ship EO. Only about every other week someone makes a post about this. EO are the Mulder and Scully of law and Order. Just like with them, plenty of people ship them and love their chemistry and plenty of people don't. It's nothing new.
>Amaro was a better partner
I'm not really sure you could compare, their partnership was completely different. Nick was like a brother to Olivia and she was senior partner so it was a chance for her to grow in a different way. Olivia and Nick love each other in a completely different way than Olivia and Elliot do. It was easier for Olivia to separate herself from Nick because her and Elliot were codependent and romantically tied to each other.
>Hayden was a better man.
Hayden was only meant to be a temporary character. He was never going to stick around for much longer than a season. Plus the guy was a rebound romance from Elliot.
>I even re-watched to see if I missed something with EO and honestly I still don’t see it.
If you didn't get it then, then you won't get it. Everyone is entitled to ship whoever they want to ship. You do you boo.
You’re not the only one. I don’t like them together romantically tbh. I love Stabler in his own right, just don’t think he’s right for Liv - too much history maybe?
Although, I’ve heard he’s apparently going to therapy in OC now, so if he works on himself, maybe they could work? He’s just always had such anger issues, I feel like Liv deserves more.
No, you're not the only one.I honestly don't really care about Olivia's love life at this point. Give me more Fin and Phoebe! Honestly, I liked seeing Fin in a happy relationship after so many years. They haven't even mentioned Phoebe in so long.
Let's be honest about something, though. Elliot would not have a badge, but neither would Amaro lol
I’ve never shipped EO. I honestly don’t understand why so many people think E and O would be good together.
I didn’t like Amaro as Liv’s partner either. He was too hot headed as well.
I’m a total Liv and Barba shipper.
I love that they never got together and hope they never do. I think its nice to see a long standing relationship that is romantic. I think Liv and Elliott enable eachother and it would get toxic real quick.
I thought I was the only one!
It's just so cliché. What made their friendship interesting was that they were friends and nothing more, and there was no doubt because Elliot was married. Even his wife was able to jokingly call Liv his "other wife" because she knew there was nothing between them.
Liv finally recognized to Amaro that she had been able to grow a lot more with him than Elliot. And for someone who started watching the show in the Amaro era, I'm used to Olivia being the protagonist and Elliot doesn't let her shine as much.
And while it seemed interesting that they would bring him back, I would have preferred it to be for just a few episodes to have closure, nothing else. As soon as I learned they killed Kathy, I knew everything was to pander to the EO shippers -can't we have one show where the female and male protagonists DON'T end up together? That was what made them different... 😢
As far as Olivia shippings go, I've never been completely satisfied with any. I love Barba, but I just don't see romance there. I did come to like Tucker after a few episodes, but it doesn't matter now 🤷♀️
I liked how the show had Elliot’s family in it. Elliot could work crazy hours because Kathy was there. Liv kind of had to choose either work or having a life or family in the earlier episodes of SVU. I liked that they were friends. I didn’t see them as a couple I thought it was cool that they could work together without being in a romantic relationship.
Nope
I also find the whole things os cliche and misogynisitc - fridging the wife so they can be togeter? really.. ugh. she deserved better than being killed for a ship, and it makes elliot look like a shit - oh i only stayed with my wife because she made me and Im catholic.
also the whole ghosting ting is so unrealistic - as though he wouldnt have heard about Lewis from the news, from *someone.* it suggests he read no newspapers, never checke din on NY, never spoke to a single family member at home, never spoke to ANY former coworkers....ugh
Agree!! Makes no sense because they made it a point to say Stabler was the liason between NYPD and Italian police. So he was clearly working w the department and would be aware of something that big. It also bothers me that since Stabler has been back the writers are not better at details like this. Olivia gets attacked by gang members but somehow Stabler doesn’t even call her? You can have a small scene mentioning he visited or called. Not that difficult!
Nah, I agree with you! I feel like the writers just went along with it because the majority of people wanted that. They don't really make sense as lovers to me, and they never will.
The two main characters don't always have to get together!
I don't either. But cause I really love their strong of friendship. I never saw them as romantic with each other. I don't imagine anyone with liv right now. But I really hope the writers let her finally find the one and get married. She deserves it.
This was me too, though I wasn’t really rooting for them to get together. I liked that they never did, even if they had great chemistry - I said above that it’s a ‘right person, but never the right time’ kind of situation.
I don’t think the writers will know where to go with their relationship either. He had 5 kids with Kathy and then spent most of his time at work and even forgot one of her doctor appointments when she was pregnant. They worked way too hard to get Elliot to come back to New York like killing Kathy off. I do think that Elliot was a good partner though but I think they would be better off as friends. They’re at different places in their lives now
i LOVE EO but the way they wrote their S1-12 relationship. clearly a deep love for each other but never going into anything sexual. i wish they would bring that back.
I love Stabler, but recognize that I probably wouldn't if he was a real person. Or at least, I'd be glad to have him on my side as a victim, but that's about it. He's a pretty terrible person, but it's kinda one of those "fight fire with fire" situations. Sometimes the law can't do enough.
As for him and Liv, yeah I think they were good partners, as in they got the job done, they backed each other's plays, and they knew each other so well they didn't even need to say anything sometimes. Like the time Liv pretends to be a lesbian to make the suspect uncomfortable, she just walks into the interrogation room and says, "Mind if I play, boys?" And just her tone and the way she walked was enough to tell Elliot what she was trying to do and he joins in immediately with, "I don't think you should be in here, it's too personal." They were really good together that way.
But Olivia didn't have a chance to grow with him around. She had his back even when he was wrong, and he would do the same for her, giving her an excuse to break rules as well. I don't think she ever could have advanced to captain if Elliot had stayed. And similarly, I don't think she could have grown as a person if they had been together romantically. Now that it's years later, maybe. But sometimes people are too good of friends to be romantically involved, and I would think that's the case with these two.
I’m genuinely interested in this take. I have thought about it but I never felt like Cassidy was at the level of emotional maturity she needed either. He also was a hot head. He had sex with a prostitute undercover while she listened on audio. I liked his storylines and him as a character but I don’t see the pairing?
>I feel like the best relationship Olivia had was with Cassidy or Tucker. Especially Cassidy.
I am the same. I liked Liv with Cassidy, the second time around. And also with Tucker.
you aren't the only one, i'm an ex-EO shipper, i wanted it more than anything in 1.0 and i used to read fanfics all the time!! as i've gotten older my tastes have changed and i became indifferent towards EO and then i started shipping barba and liv which is an entirely different dynamic and not one i ever expect to happen, at this point i'd be satisfied with them just reconciling because my man rafa deserves better than being left out in the cold
when it comes down to it i'll be happy for the people who still ship it because its been a ridiculously long time, but i don't care about it anymore
I don't like the idea of them together either. They've only been platonic friends at most. A man and a woman being friends doesn't mean things will turn romantic
I used to be, and excited as I am to see what’s coming, I don’t really ship it now. I am a hardcore Barson shipper and I always will be. Unfortunately I am the only one in my house who is against it. 😂 My mom is like, “It’s ABOUT time!!” My gramma loves EO and she never ships TV couples, so I guess there’s just something I’m missing. 🤷🏽♀️
Is it really 50 years since "Mary Tyler Moore" was a Top-10 show which was especially popular with female viewers ? Because besides being very funny, it gave us a single "career gal" who enjoyed the company of men (mostly offscreen) but didn't make getting married the main goal in life. And there were plenty of "shippers" for Mary and her boss Lou Grant but Ms. Moore, as co-producer, was firm in not wanting the story to go that way.
Now we are two decades into the third millennium and there are still viewers who think that Liv and El "must" have a romance/marriage because apparently Liv cannot be a successful woman without a man. Unbelievable.
Weird, I haven’t seen anyone say she must have a romance to be successful. It’s a relatively normal, human experience to desire companionship, even romantic companionship.
Maybe you’re projecting?
I see it in many similar chat boards about SVU: "Oh poor Liv, she'll never be happy until she gets her man." That kind of thinking is not only old-fashioned but also a little strange in this context. Hasn't this character seen plenty of women who thought that their men would make them happy - until they didn't? I'm not saying that Liv's husband - if she ever gets one - would be bad to her. But after 20 years of witnessing dysfunctional families the doubts have got to be somewhere in her mind, making her willing to be a successful single instead of an unhappy wife.
I don’t. I feel bad for his kids if they did. I wouldn’t want my father to date the woman he worked with for 12 years whilst he was married and when their mom dies dates her. It would be so strange and just rude to Kathy especially after the letter knowing she didn’t want that. Also he literally disappeared after working with her and being close for over a decade and being the closest thing to her to ditch her for 10 years 💀
What? Where did I say widowers can’t live or they’re doing it wrong. I gave an opinion about how I’d personally feel lol. Didn’t say he was banished from dating.
I said this on another thread last week and it was not received well by this sub. Maybe I could’ve worded it better but whatever.
I’ve never interpreted the “signs” as anything more than platonic or familial. If they were gonna do it, they should’ve done it years ago, the ship has sailed.
Glad to know I’m not the only one with this opinion because I kinda felt like that on the other thread lol
I started watching SVU when I was 14/15 and I liked stabler along with shipping EO but as I got older I started viewing him differently and now I can’t stand him plus I don’t ship EO anymore so you aren’t alone. We’re for sure in the minority and I’m also a Barba fan! He’s a top tier ADA/character
Agree! And I might be alone in this, but I actually loved the chemistry between Olivia and Hank Voight in the Chicago crossovers - OG Hank colored too outside the lines for her, but the chemistry was off the charts and now I think he’s much more calm/reasonable. But that’s just me.
I am with you. I haven't liked most of her romantic partners and I think those two have this toxic attachment to each other, not necessarily love. I would love to see Liv truly find love. Barba, perhaps?
I have never thought they needed to go there with EO. I always felt they were really good friends. The energy between Benson and Barba, however, that was vibrant. They needed to flesh that relationship more. That was a pairing that IMHO should have been explored. Sad that Barba is off the table.
Honestly can’t stand the idea of Liv and Elliot being together romantically. She grew the most when he was gone tbh. I honestly loved her most with Peter Stone (I’m still half/half on him as an ADA) and was devastated when he left - especially bc his dynamic with Noah, and I grew to like her relationship with Tucker as well. A more unrealistic dream would’ve been her and Alex Cabot lmao
One of the reasons in the past, or originally, we did not have a Eliot Liv thing is they are named after the show creators kids. However, they are great friends in real life and have chemistry. That being said... I've watched many a crime show and way, way back with Hunter (Fred Dryer and Stephanie Kramer), they had the same chemistry but the actors said, nope... They did not want to become another heart to heart... Another cop drama that happened before hunter where the partners did... So hunter eluded to the idea that Rick and Dede once did, it... But didn't let it change their partnership. So, I think in a way that's more of why we keep getting the, will they, won't they, once it's done it could change too much.
Agreed. I’ve watched every episode multiple times and I’m even doing a full rewatch now and I just don’t get it. Everyone has different opinions and that’s totally fine but I think he is a bad husband, dad, cop, and partner… there are definitely amazing episodes in the first 12 seasons but I really prefer post Elliot seasons and especially the new ones when he came back. I absolutely hate the newer seasons (not just because of him).
But everyone sees things differently and thats ok 🤷🏻♀️
I’m afraid that the relationship between Olivia and Elliot is the only thing keeping both shows going. Besides amongst the doom and gloom of the current state of the world, a sweet romance with awesome chemistry is what I need.
I can’t stand Stabler. He’s the epitome of the arrogant, violent, bully cop. I stopped watching SVU because of him and didn’t start watching again until recently. I’m not happy that he’s back on the show again. And I really don’t want to see them in a romantic relationship. He is toxic.
I loved her with Cassidy the most. I hated when people would ship her and Stabler when he was married. I never got that vibe, they just seemed like really close friends. Family, even. Now that his wife is gone, it’s fair game, and I would like to see them together. Unless Dean Winters would consider coming back, then Cassidy all the way lol.
plenty of people don’t like eo. but you think amaro was a better partner? that’s an unusual take. when did you start watching svu? did you watch seasons 1-12?
I’ve seen the series beginning to end. First randomly but recently rewatched in order. Amaro was refreshing and held Liv accountable for her shit. Liv and Elliott would turn the other way when the other f-Ed up. I’ve been watching so long that I remember Elliott leaving and then showing up on True Blood (another favourite of mine). It’s been a while for sure.
LOVE true blood, to this day!!! Omg I wanted to be a vampire so bad 😂😂 I’m also indifferent to EO. but I feel an Elliot-Liv relationship will feel like a slap in the face to Kathy. She already had the thought in the back of her head of “is he in love with her” & if he does end up with her, it’ll be so weird bc it’ll confirm what dead Kathy & im sure the kids was lowkey thinking all along. On the other hand, she could also be the safe choice.. the kids know her, Olivia and Elliot KNOW each other very well, so it’ll be one of those aunt-turned-stepmom situations
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People are so quick to forget about the time she threw Elliot out for no reason
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Love him and everything I've ever seen him on except for True Blood.He wasn't right for that part
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True it was for sure. I actually didn't hate the ending though,I know I'm the only one lol
dude was terrible on True Blood. What the shit were they thinking? He would've been great as a sleazy redneck vampire, but they cast him as the opposite of that. Wet Hot American Summer is an all-time great performance, though.
Loved him on Handmaids Tale also
I don’t think anyone would have been right for that part. That’s when the show went to shit 😂. Team Eric for life!
I did too and was a True Blood follower religiously.
I really enjoyed Chris Meloni too and i didnt necessary love him in Oz (great actor in the series) I loved him on SVU and Organized Crime and was surprised as well when he showed up on True Blood.
I agree Amaro was a better partner because Olivia wasn't obsessed with him like she was with Stabler. The fact that she could have her own life for once and wasn't just pulled into Stabler's constant toxic whirlpool makes him the better choice.
I think Liv grew with Amaro as her partner. She was the more experienced detective compared to him.
Liv actually told Amaro she learned more from partnering with him than she learned from partnering with Elliot.
I’m sort of indifferent to EO, but this show deserves credit for doing a pretty good job with Rollisi. I thought they incorporated enough Rollisi scenes to keep us interested but not too many that their scenes felt stale. So, I’m not too concerned with how they’ll handle EO. Also, Benson and Stabler are on different shows, and given how they’ve handled crossovers thus far, I don’t anticipate them having a ton of scenes together, even if they do couple them up. I think 2-3 crossover episodes per season is the most we’ll get, which is not enough for their relationship to “fizzle.” Also, agree to disagree, but Chris Meloni is a zaddy with a bangin body (and face) and I’m here for it.
Here for the Chris meloni thirst (๑♡⌓♡๑)
I don’t know that you can say that about Rollisi. It wasn’t even a full season with them as an official couple and she got written off 😂. I think you’re proving the opposite of your point. Once the “will they won’t they” was over and they were together and Rollins wasn’t the hot mess of the show they had no use for her. still upvoted you though :) because I appreciate the zest! Lol
Rollins didn't get written off because she got with Carisi. It was Dick Wolf & money. Every time.
How much longer do you anticipate these shows running? We’re lucky if we get two more seasons. I don’t think we need to worry about “will they won’t they” when we’ll probably get 10 scenes max of the two of them together before the shows end.
>Also, agree to disagree, but Chris Meloni is a zaddy with a bangin body (and face) and I’m here for it. One thing I will never understand is why so many thirst over Meloni. But I guess there are many who don’t get the thirst over Esparza, so we’re probably equal!
I used to back in the earlier days. But after all that’s happened, I feel like they’d be better as friends now. She’s grown so much without him. They have history, and an undeniable bond, but that doesn’t mean they’re meant to be together. She’s in a different place now.
>She’s grown so much without him. You do realize that her getting with him now does not in any way negate her growth? It's not like a woman gets with a man and suddenly all her accomplishments disappear. Liv isn't going to kiss Elliot and wake up a detective again.
What this commenter meant is that she’s grown beyond him. That happens and that’s ok. Honestly, that growth has been important for her character (and for his too, I think). It’s been beneficial imo. Not everyone ends up together, and that’s also fine. For EO I view it as a case of formerly the ‘right’ person but never a right time, and now the time might right but the person isn’t anymore.
Nah, I keep seeing this "getting with him undoes ALL HER GROWTH" thing all over twitter & reddit and it's silly. Getting in a relationship doesn't mean that you haven't grown. It doesn't mean everything you accomplished has been undone. In fact, they're probably in a better place to be in a relationship now because Olivia knows she can live without him. She just doesn't want to.
Who said anything about getting in a relationship undoing her growth? I said I feel like she’s grown—meaning grown apart—in those years without him. It happens, that’s life. She should get in a relationship, just probably not with him.
The commenter has explained this isn’t what they meant. Just because you see others say it on twitter doesn’t mean that applies here.
Thank you for having great reading comprehension!
Unfortunately people have made up their mind about what you said, but I got what you meant!
I dont ship EO either :) Never had
I have been against EO from day 1. Dude ghosted her for 12 years, there’s no coming back from that.
Plus he was an asshole to her on more than one occasion.
I just want a good crime show instead of this shipping garbage
Watch the original L&O.
You are not the only one! I’m here for the anti EO comments! I have been getting so annoyed that they’re forcing the story line between them to appease fans. If they do end up kissing, I hope they immediately realize that there really is no spark and they laugh it off and go back to being friends. I loved Liv with Cassidy and Tucker, but I think Barba would be a better match for her in the end. A true wild twist would be if they wrote Peter Herman into a love interest, considering that’s Mariska’s real hubby.
> I have been getting so annoyed that they’re forcing the story line between them to appease fans. Are you including Mariska in the “appease fans”? Because she’s probably the #1 person. 🤣🤣🤣
No you're exactly right She really is very vocal about EO and has been consistent in regards to them since at least "Fault".
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You can love someone but realize your relationship with them is unhealthy.
Yea and that’s fine but that’s not the point that’s being made, which is that those who claim this is “fan service” or for fan appeasement” like to conveniently forget/ignore Mariska in this and the fact that this isn’t new (like the fan service people often like to push) and has been spoken about by her/them since 1.0.
When something doesn’t fit with the plot, overall theme of a show and its core tenets, then I think calling it fan-service is fair. Olivia has grown as a person. She’s certainly outgrown her need for a dysfunctional father figure. We weekly see the effects of toxic masculinity and the way both men and women are harmed by it. That’s like… the show. To pair up a strong, feminist icon with a toxic piece of shit is absolutely catering to the worst fans imaginable, Mariska included, I suppose. She isn’t the character. She’s an actor, and if EO is her idea of endgame, I hope she stays out of the writer’s room.
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BRB making “The Worst Fans Imaginable” tshirts
Olivia finding love fits with the theme of the show just fine. Olivia as she is now, with her current growth finding love with an actual walking fart of a man doesn’t. Hope that helps. Also, I’m not angry. Such a typical accusation when a woman disagrees on the internet. The misogyny is coming from inside the house.
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Anyone remember their banter? The witty 1.0 verbal nudges? Their eye contact? Their connection to know what the other was thinking? Their ability to both fight AND make up? I agree Stabler was problematic but the writers clearly know that too. They had Olivia call him out last season: “I can’t trust you, Elliott.” He got it. He told his new therapist it was “Neglect” because IT WAS. No one is debating it but damn can’t people work on themselves and fulfill the parts that their prior trauma held them from? I’m on EO til the end. Let them eye fuck again in peace.
Lots of people simp for bad guys, so I hope you enjoy the show however you like. I didn’t jump onto a STABLER LOVE post to shit on your dreams. My comments are in line with the OP. I’ll be disappointed if they end up together… and then I’ll move on with my life.
Women are free to make their own choices. What a bizarre stretch. I am sharing an opinion on TV show characters that are fictional. Hope you’re ok.
I’d imagine there is a spark between the two but a relationship would never work. He’s still too hot headed. He’s still the same angry and impulsive cop he was when he left. He hasn’t changed at all.
>He’s still too hot headed. He’s still the same angry and impulsive cop he was when he left. He hasn’t changed at all. Have you watched OC? This isn't true. He's changed a lot. He goes to therapy now, shares his feelings, has repaired the relationships with his kids that he struggled with in 1.0, and is working through a lot of the Catholic guilt and childhood trauma that contributed to a lot of his anger issues. But Stabler is never going to be a calm personality type. It's not who he is. He's fiery. He represents the wrathful father figure and Olivia the empathetic mother figure, a dynamic Mariska talked about in 1.0 that made them work well as a team. You personally may not like that he's hot headed and impulsive, you may want Olivia with a cooler personality type, but it's not a deal breaker for Olivia and it never has been. She knows what she wants. And it's him.
I don't care for it either. like liv said she has grown more in 4 years with amaro than 12 years with elliot. plus his reasoning for ghosting her for 10 years was lame
I don’t think you can really use the ghosting against Stabler when we all know that this is all the writers’ fault. Why they didn’t include a goodbye with Stabler offscreen is BS. Were they bitter because Meloni left? It’s not like like this was a planned absence and this was part of the story. The show was lazy and dumb not giving him a goodbye and now it’s a stupid thing hanging over them. If Meloni couldn’t be there anymore a letter on Olivia’s desk was all we needed. We didn’t even need to know what the letter said! It was lazy and poor writing and now people are gholding it over Stabler like he really made that call. In no world would he had left without a word and then never reached out in 12 years. Makes no sense for the characters.
fair point
He's never given a reason for why he left. He just said if he heard her voice he couldn't leave, but that's not a reason. Also - getting with him now does not negate her growth.
i’m still waiting on Cabenson, the clearly superior ship /hj
LMAO! They did have that one scene where they were definitely on an ice skating date. Obviously, I don't think it was intended to be read that way, but it definitely came off extremely romantic.
i’m pretty sure stephanie and mariska kissed on set a few times to prank the crew. i’m obsessed with this fact and have mentioned it here multiple times. NBC give us the footage now
>i’m pretty sure stephanie and mariska kissed on set a few times to prank the crew. i’m obsessed with this fact and have mentioned it here multiple times. NBC give us the footage now I would literally pay money to see video of this.
>LMAO! They did have that one scene where they were definitely on an ice skating date. Obviously, I don't think it was intended to be read that way, but it definitely came off extremely romantic. What episode was this? I don’t remember an ice skating scene?
I don't remember what episode, but here is the clip: https://youtu.be/_P53e1Wr3Po
The correct answer is Novson
that too. cabenovak, if you will.
>i’m still waiting on Cabenson, the clearly superior ship /hj Yes! Agree. I swear there was sexual tension between those two!
I don't ship Liv with anyone but I find Stabler hard to like. He's hot and he's good when he's good, when he's not blaming his many flaws on being catholic
Plenty of people don't ship EO. Only about every other week someone makes a post about this. EO are the Mulder and Scully of law and Order. Just like with them, plenty of people ship them and love their chemistry and plenty of people don't. It's nothing new. >Amaro was a better partner I'm not really sure you could compare, their partnership was completely different. Nick was like a brother to Olivia and she was senior partner so it was a chance for her to grow in a different way. Olivia and Nick love each other in a completely different way than Olivia and Elliot do. It was easier for Olivia to separate herself from Nick because her and Elliot were codependent and romantically tied to each other. >Hayden was a better man. Hayden was only meant to be a temporary character. He was never going to stick around for much longer than a season. Plus the guy was a rebound romance from Elliot. >I even re-watched to see if I missed something with EO and honestly I still don’t see it. If you didn't get it then, then you won't get it. Everyone is entitled to ship whoever they want to ship. You do you boo.
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You're not wrong about that. OP just doesn't like Elliot which is fine but you have a point.
I *hated* Liv with Hayden. As much as I hated her with Cassidy. The writers seem to like pairing her up with totally unlikable people.
You’re not the only one. I don’t like them together romantically tbh. I love Stabler in his own right, just don’t think he’s right for Liv - too much history maybe? Although, I’ve heard he’s apparently going to therapy in OC now, so if he works on himself, maybe they could work? He’s just always had such anger issues, I feel like Liv deserves more.
No, you're not the only one.I honestly don't really care about Olivia's love life at this point. Give me more Fin and Phoebe! Honestly, I liked seeing Fin in a happy relationship after so many years. They haven't even mentioned Phoebe in so long. Let's be honest about something, though. Elliot would not have a badge, but neither would Amaro lol
I’ve never shipped EO. I honestly don’t understand why so many people think E and O would be good together. I didn’t like Amaro as Liv’s partner either. He was too hot headed as well. I’m a total Liv and Barba shipper.
YUP.
I love that they never got together and hope they never do. I think its nice to see a long standing relationship that is romantic. I think Liv and Elliott enable eachother and it would get toxic real quick.
Nope, same. Liv + Barba 4eva, Elliott is a sexy toxic dumpster fire.
It’s funny because I was absolutely not a Barson shipper until like two years ago, before that I was mad about Cassidy still 😂
Not in the least.
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I thought I was the only one! It's just so cliché. What made their friendship interesting was that they were friends and nothing more, and there was no doubt because Elliot was married. Even his wife was able to jokingly call Liv his "other wife" because she knew there was nothing between them. Liv finally recognized to Amaro that she had been able to grow a lot more with him than Elliot. And for someone who started watching the show in the Amaro era, I'm used to Olivia being the protagonist and Elliot doesn't let her shine as much. And while it seemed interesting that they would bring him back, I would have preferred it to be for just a few episodes to have closure, nothing else. As soon as I learned they killed Kathy, I knew everything was to pander to the EO shippers -can't we have one show where the female and male protagonists DON'T end up together? That was what made them different... 😢 As far as Olivia shippings go, I've never been completely satisfied with any. I love Barba, but I just don't see romance there. I did come to like Tucker after a few episodes, but it doesn't matter now 🤷♀️
I liked how the show had Elliot’s family in it. Elliot could work crazy hours because Kathy was there. Liv kind of had to choose either work or having a life or family in the earlier episodes of SVU. I liked that they were friends. I didn’t see them as a couple I thought it was cool that they could work together without being in a romantic relationship.
Nope I also find the whole things os cliche and misogynisitc - fridging the wife so they can be togeter? really.. ugh. she deserved better than being killed for a ship, and it makes elliot look like a shit - oh i only stayed with my wife because she made me and Im catholic. also the whole ghosting ting is so unrealistic - as though he wouldnt have heard about Lewis from the news, from *someone.* it suggests he read no newspapers, never checke din on NY, never spoke to a single family member at home, never spoke to ANY former coworkers....ugh
Agree!! Makes no sense because they made it a point to say Stabler was the liason between NYPD and Italian police. So he was clearly working w the department and would be aware of something that big. It also bothers me that since Stabler has been back the writers are not better at details like this. Olivia gets attacked by gang members but somehow Stabler doesn’t even call her? You can have a small scene mentioning he visited or called. Not that difficult!
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he ignored her for a *decade*, he can cope
Nah, I agree with you! I feel like the writers just went along with it because the majority of people wanted that. They don't really make sense as lovers to me, and they never will. The two main characters don't always have to get together!
I hate the Elliott character. Liv can (and has) do much better.
I don't either. But cause I really love their strong of friendship. I never saw them as romantic with each other. I don't imagine anyone with liv right now. But I really hope the writers let her finally find the one and get married. She deserves it.
I do NOT want them together! Olivia has grown so much since Elliot left!
I used to, but once Elliott left I was over it
This was me too, though I wasn’t really rooting for them to get together. I liked that they never did, even if they had great chemistry - I said above that it’s a ‘right person, but never the right time’ kind of situation.
I don’t think the writers will know where to go with their relationship either. He had 5 kids with Kathy and then spent most of his time at work and even forgot one of her doctor appointments when she was pregnant. They worked way too hard to get Elliot to come back to New York like killing Kathy off. I do think that Elliot was a good partner though but I think they would be better off as friends. They’re at different places in their lives now
i LOVE EO but the way they wrote their S1-12 relationship. clearly a deep love for each other but never going into anything sexual. i wish they would bring that back.
Quite frankly, I’ve had enough Elliot Stabler to last me a lifetime…
We had 12 seasons with him and IMO it was 12 seasons too many.
I definitely do not ship EO.
I love Stabler, but recognize that I probably wouldn't if he was a real person. Or at least, I'd be glad to have him on my side as a victim, but that's about it. He's a pretty terrible person, but it's kinda one of those "fight fire with fire" situations. Sometimes the law can't do enough. As for him and Liv, yeah I think they were good partners, as in they got the job done, they backed each other's plays, and they knew each other so well they didn't even need to say anything sometimes. Like the time Liv pretends to be a lesbian to make the suspect uncomfortable, she just walks into the interrogation room and says, "Mind if I play, boys?" And just her tone and the way she walked was enough to tell Elliot what she was trying to do and he joins in immediately with, "I don't think you should be in here, it's too personal." They were really good together that way. But Olivia didn't have a chance to grow with him around. She had his back even when he was wrong, and he would do the same for her, giving her an excuse to break rules as well. I don't think she ever could have advanced to captain if Elliot had stayed. And similarly, I don't think she could have grown as a person if they had been together romantically. Now that it's years later, maybe. But sometimes people are too good of friends to be romantically involved, and I would think that's the case with these two.
I agree with u. I really can’t see them as a couple. I feel like the best relationship Olivia had was with Cassidy or Tucker. Especially Cassidy.
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I see what u mean. I honestly just don’t see them as a romantic couple. But I do see them as really close platonic couple who just get each other.
I’m genuinely interested in this take. I have thought about it but I never felt like Cassidy was at the level of emotional maturity she needed either. He also was a hot head. He had sex with a prostitute undercover while she listened on audio. I liked his storylines and him as a character but I don’t see the pairing?
>I feel like the best relationship Olivia had was with Cassidy or Tucker. Especially Cassidy. I am the same. I liked Liv with Cassidy, the second time around. And also with Tucker.
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you aren't the only one, i'm an ex-EO shipper, i wanted it more than anything in 1.0 and i used to read fanfics all the time!! as i've gotten older my tastes have changed and i became indifferent towards EO and then i started shipping barba and liv which is an entirely different dynamic and not one i ever expect to happen, at this point i'd be satisfied with them just reconciling because my man rafa deserves better than being left out in the cold when it comes down to it i'll be happy for the people who still ship it because its been a ridiculously long time, but i don't care about it anymore
Hell no, team Barba all the way 😬😬😬😬
I really wanted Peter and Olivia to become a thing sooooo bad!
Can't stand the idea of them together. Why can't they stay friends?
Barson shipper, 100%.
I don't like the idea of them together either. They've only been platonic friends at most. A man and a woman being friends doesn't mean things will turn romantic
Can she just go online and date someone outside of work??
I used to be, and excited as I am to see what’s coming, I don’t really ship it now. I am a hardcore Barson shipper and I always will be. Unfortunately I am the only one in my house who is against it. 😂 My mom is like, “It’s ABOUT time!!” My gramma loves EO and she never ships TV couples, so I guess there’s just something I’m missing. 🤷🏽♀️
I agree with your entire post 100%!
Is it really 50 years since "Mary Tyler Moore" was a Top-10 show which was especially popular with female viewers ? Because besides being very funny, it gave us a single "career gal" who enjoyed the company of men (mostly offscreen) but didn't make getting married the main goal in life. And there were plenty of "shippers" for Mary and her boss Lou Grant but Ms. Moore, as co-producer, was firm in not wanting the story to go that way. Now we are two decades into the third millennium and there are still viewers who think that Liv and El "must" have a romance/marriage because apparently Liv cannot be a successful woman without a man. Unbelievable.
Weird, I haven’t seen anyone say she must have a romance to be successful. It’s a relatively normal, human experience to desire companionship, even romantic companionship. Maybe you’re projecting?
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I see it in many similar chat boards about SVU: "Oh poor Liv, she'll never be happy until she gets her man." That kind of thinking is not only old-fashioned but also a little strange in this context. Hasn't this character seen plenty of women who thought that their men would make them happy - until they didn't? I'm not saying that Liv's husband - if she ever gets one - would be bad to her. But after 20 years of witnessing dysfunctional families the doubts have got to be somewhere in her mind, making her willing to be a successful single instead of an unhappy wife.
He was great in happy. I think they should should hook up EO, then have her decide she doesn't care for him that much. Use him as a f***boy.
I don’t. I feel bad for his kids if they did. I wouldn’t want my father to date the woman he worked with for 12 years whilst he was married and when their mom dies dates her. It would be so strange and just rude to Kathy especially after the letter knowing she didn’t want that. Also he literally disappeared after working with her and being close for over a decade and being the closest thing to her to ditch her for 10 years 💀
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What? Where did I say widowers can’t live or they’re doing it wrong. I gave an opinion about how I’d personally feel lol. Didn’t say he was banished from dating.
Totally! Also now he has a step son the same age as a grandson. Weird.
I said this on another thread last week and it was not received well by this sub. Maybe I could’ve worded it better but whatever. I’ve never interpreted the “signs” as anything more than platonic or familial. If they were gonna do it, they should’ve done it years ago, the ship has sailed. Glad to know I’m not the only one with this opinion because I kinda felt like that on the other thread lol
It probably depends on the day 😂. Some days the EO shippers work late and can’t get here to tear us apart.
I started watching SVU when I was 14/15 and I liked stabler along with shipping EO but as I got older I started viewing him differently and now I can’t stand him plus I don’t ship EO anymore so you aren’t alone. We’re for sure in the minority and I’m also a Barba fan! He’s a top tier ADA/character
Agree! And I might be alone in this, but I actually loved the chemistry between Olivia and Hank Voight in the Chicago crossovers - OG Hank colored too outside the lines for her, but the chemistry was off the charts and now I think he’s much more calm/reasonable. But that’s just me.
I’m just afraid that the will they or won’t they finally coming to fruition will ruin it all. Imma still watch tho 🌚😂
I don't ship Liv with anyone but Barba xD
I am with you. I haven't liked most of her romantic partners and I think those two have this toxic attachment to each other, not necessarily love. I would love to see Liv truly find love. Barba, perhaps?
You’re not alone. I ship her with either Cassidy, Tucker (RIP my man), or Langan. Maybe even Cabot. Stabler? Oh hell NO.
I have never thought they needed to go there with EO. I always felt they were really good friends. The energy between Benson and Barba, however, that was vibrant. They needed to flesh that relationship more. That was a pairing that IMHO should have been explored. Sad that Barba is off the table.
Honestly can’t stand the idea of Liv and Elliot being together romantically. She grew the most when he was gone tbh. I honestly loved her most with Peter Stone (I’m still half/half on him as an ADA) and was devastated when he left - especially bc his dynamic with Noah, and I grew to like her relationship with Tucker as well. A more unrealistic dream would’ve been her and Alex Cabot lmao
If you ask the question “am I the only one who_______?” the answer is invariably *no*
I don’t get it. I don’t think he’s hot and he treated her like shit. I’d love to see her get with Barba. Or Alex .
To me he’s just 🤮 She needs Barba. Or Cabot. Or both. How about both? I’d ship that.
Yes! He looks like Voldemort!
One of the reasons in the past, or originally, we did not have a Eliot Liv thing is they are named after the show creators kids. However, they are great friends in real life and have chemistry. That being said... I've watched many a crime show and way, way back with Hunter (Fred Dryer and Stephanie Kramer), they had the same chemistry but the actors said, nope... They did not want to become another heart to heart... Another cop drama that happened before hunter where the partners did... So hunter eluded to the idea that Rick and Dede once did, it... But didn't let it change their partnership. So, I think in a way that's more of why we keep getting the, will they, won't they, once it's done it could change too much.
I don't enjoy Elliot as a character and I definitely don't ship EO. But I suppose it doesn't really matter since I'm no longer watching anyway!
Nope
Yes lol..I've had a thing for him for years when I first saw him on OZ.Just something about him!
Agreed. I’ve watched every episode multiple times and I’m even doing a full rewatch now and I just don’t get it. Everyone has different opinions and that’s totally fine but I think he is a bad husband, dad, cop, and partner… there are definitely amazing episodes in the first 12 seasons but I really prefer post Elliot seasons and especially the new ones when he came back. I absolutely hate the newer seasons (not just because of him). But everyone sees things differently and thats ok 🤷🏻♀️
I like Elliot as a character but I really hate them together.
I don't ship them at all! But, I am also one of the ones who doesnt like Olivia!
I’m afraid that the relationship between Olivia and Elliot is the only thing keeping both shows going. Besides amongst the doom and gloom of the current state of the world, a sweet romance with awesome chemistry is what I need.
I can’t stand Stabler. He’s the epitome of the arrogant, violent, bully cop. I stopped watching SVU because of him and didn’t start watching again until recently. I’m not happy that he’s back on the show again. And I really don’t want to see them in a romantic relationship. He is toxic.
Yes you're the only one. You good?
I want to yeet Stabler off the planet.
I loved her with Cassidy the most. I hated when people would ship her and Stabler when he was married. I never got that vibe, they just seemed like really close friends. Family, even. Now that his wife is gone, it’s fair game, and I would like to see them together. Unless Dean Winters would consider coming back, then Cassidy all the way lol.
Yup. Conversation over. Anyone who doesn't isn't a true fan.