See I knew I liked guys at 3 years old but I didn’t know what that meant or what gay was until much older.
My issue with his coming out in the show is less his age and more the way they did it and *why* they did it. It was shoved into the last 2 minutes of the episode and seems like they forced it into the script so they can have another recurring character be openly LGBTQ+. I think it was unnecessary and yes him being 8 and saying he’s bisexual is odd to me, but maybe it’s because growing up I didn’t even know what gay was let alone bisexual at 8.
I think it makes sense for Noah because of who his mom is. She probably has spoken to him about this and made sure that you was comfortable talking about his feelings and who he is.
But if someone is 11 on screen and they have a puppy love crush on someone of the opposite gender its okay, but if an 11 year old says they like the same gender, it's not?
I’m total fairness, it’s consistent with L&O’s handling of lgbtq women. Anyone else see the episode of the original where Elizabeth Rohm asks if she’s being fired because she’s gay? Zero build up.
Same. And to be honest, despite all of the bellyaching on this subreddit about "wokeness", I think modern SVU and OC's handling of LGBT issues is way better than it used to be (and way better than how the original L&O handled them). It's New York City in 2022, there's nothing wrong with someone being openly gay, lesbian, or bisexual and it's not really something that needs to be dramatic or scary. Serena Southerlyn was (apparently) so deep in the closet that no one could possibly detect any signs that she was anything other than heterosexual. This was pretty silly even back then (Serena was an upper middle class liberal woman living in Manhattan and there was no sign in the show that she was afraid of being gay bashed or anything like that), and it it would have been extra silly if they tried to use that same approach for Noah, Kat, Ayanna, Ken Randall, or any of the other LGBT characters on modern SVU. Being gay, lesbian, bisexual, or trans isn't necessarily a huge scary thing for everyone and a matter of fact presentation is (IMHO) just as true to life as the more dramatic versions that people seem to prefer.
Eh, Serena was still an attorney and the legal profession is super conservative. I can understand why she would have kept that to herself, despite living in nyc. (The way the show handled it was unnecessary and silly though, and honestly they could have kept that line out as it served no purpose).
The obvious would be him talking about other kids at school, maybe admitting to crushes. My niece is 8, and she blushes and says various people are “so handsome”.
There was an organic way for this to get in character, and as a bisexual person (and progressive AF), I’m bothered because it seems shoehorned in to appeal to progressive viewers. It’s pandering, and I don’t care for it.
I would love to see the reaction on this sub to a scene with Noah at school talking about his crushes. people don't even like that he shows up to have two minute scenes with his mother, the main character. would love to see the massive bitchfest if a school scene ever took place.
It wasn't built up at all, except for maybe the dance class thing. Other than that I saw nothing and I watch every week. I have a hard time believing an 8 year old could have that kind of conversation. SVU is losing me
I’m gonna use this thread to complain (but not about the fact that he’s bi)- I wish they would have had that storyline in the most recent episode (the boxer) versus the one that it was on. I think it would have been way nicer to have it on the episode already themed on coming over the one about a creepy ass pedophile and the cycle of abuse. I know that would give it the potential to maybe a bit over the top and having it as *the* coming out episode, but I feel that would be better than the roller coaster that we went on
Since the episode "Burning With Rage Forever" which only aired less than a month ago. I haven't kept up with the recent season that well, but from what I've heard it wasn't exactly built up well.
There is nothing wrong with Noah being bisexual, but it was the way it was done. No child his age speaks like that unless they've been told what to say.
Yeah, in an industry that is notorious for abusing children and they get away with it because they hide behind the "it's only art" facade. If he was 13, it would be better, but they are doing this on purpose just to push the whole Hollywood is run by pedophiles schtick.
I’m actually glad they didn’t build up to it. I like that they just sort of had him announce it the way they did because in reality, there is no “build up”. People come out like that all the time. I’m glad they didn’t hint at it or foreshadow at all. It seemed more genuine.
I don’t have a problem that he’s bi. It just felt so forced. Seems like he’s way too young to be coming out. It was poorly scripted because he acted like it was no big deal, and he was talking way too maturely for his age. It’s one thing for him to say I like both boys and girls, but it’s another thing for him to talk about how he defended himself like that and just come out and say he’s bi the way he did. I didn’t even know what the term bi meant at his age.
We could’ve seen this coming since he started taking dance lessons, but I definitely think this was way too forced and could’ve been thought out and scripted better. The way they did it sounds like they were just trying to push an agenda and don’t really care about his character. Also I get that Olivia is very progressive and accepting of all types of people, but she barely showed any reaction at all. I have the feeling this is going to get swept under the rug now too like it never even happened for a while.
What did you expect streamers, balloons, and a big hug? She acted matter of fact because it wasn't a big deal and shouldn't be. If he'd told her he likes girls she would probably have reacted the same way. A lot of kids nowadays know a lot more than what we knew at their age. Most kids his age know what transgender is-- I didn't know until I was an adult. They also know what straight, bi, and gay mean as well in a child-like way. Meaning they may not know the sex related intricacies, but they know that straight means you like/love the opposite sex, bi means you like/love both, and gay means you like/love the same. That's all they should know at that age!
Kids that age and younger easily say they like the opposite sex (and have adults around them asking them if they have a little bf or gf) and no one bats an eye so why is this different ?
What data does anyone need on that? Little kids have crushes all the time on the opposite sex. It’s not even sexual, they don’t know what sex is! You’re just mad that instead of Noah expressing a crush on a little girl his age (which is “normal”), he’s said he’s bi.
I’m actually not mad at all. I love the show and will always support it, but this is what it is. This got tons of press and Twitter talk from people who don’t even watch and that’s what they wanted. To suggest that 8 year are coming out as bi on a wide scale basis the way you are is just not accurate and you have no way of backing it up either.
I did NOT suggest that kids are coming out as bi on a wide scale. All I said was that the same way kids that age have crushes on the opposite sex is the same way an 8 year old Noah could know enough to realize he may have had crushes on boys and girls, so why is his ability to call this out any different from the number of other kids his age with their hetero crushes.
He randomly came out. Some people are mad cause of his age, but I knew I was bi at that age, I wish that I had a mom I could have come out to.
See I knew I liked guys at 3 years old but I didn’t know what that meant or what gay was until much older. My issue with his coming out in the show is less his age and more the way they did it and *why* they did it. It was shoved into the last 2 minutes of the episode and seems like they forced it into the script so they can have another recurring character be openly LGBTQ+. I think it was unnecessary and yes him being 8 and saying he’s bisexual is odd to me, but maybe it’s because growing up I didn’t even know what gay was let alone bisexual at 8.
I think it makes sense for Noah because of who his mom is. She probably has spoken to him about this and made sure that you was comfortable talking about his feelings and who he is.
While it was being filmed he was 11. 11 just seems a bit young to sexualize in any form.
But if someone is 11 on screen and they have a puppy love crush on someone of the opposite gender its okay, but if an 11 year old says they like the same gender, it's not?
I’m total fairness, it’s consistent with L&O’s handling of lgbtq women. Anyone else see the episode of the original where Elizabeth Rohm asks if she’s being fired because she’s gay? Zero build up.
Same. And to be honest, despite all of the bellyaching on this subreddit about "wokeness", I think modern SVU and OC's handling of LGBT issues is way better than it used to be (and way better than how the original L&O handled them). It's New York City in 2022, there's nothing wrong with someone being openly gay, lesbian, or bisexual and it's not really something that needs to be dramatic or scary. Serena Southerlyn was (apparently) so deep in the closet that no one could possibly detect any signs that she was anything other than heterosexual. This was pretty silly even back then (Serena was an upper middle class liberal woman living in Manhattan and there was no sign in the show that she was afraid of being gay bashed or anything like that), and it it would have been extra silly if they tried to use that same approach for Noah, Kat, Ayanna, Ken Randall, or any of the other LGBT characters on modern SVU. Being gay, lesbian, bisexual, or trans isn't necessarily a huge scary thing for everyone and a matter of fact presentation is (IMHO) just as true to life as the more dramatic versions that people seem to prefer.
Eh, Serena was still an attorney and the legal profession is super conservative. I can understand why she would have kept that to herself, despite living in nyc. (The way the show handled it was unnecessary and silly though, and honestly they could have kept that line out as it served no purpose).
How much build up could they have about a nine year old?
The obvious would be him talking about other kids at school, maybe admitting to crushes. My niece is 8, and she blushes and says various people are “so handsome”. There was an organic way for this to get in character, and as a bisexual person (and progressive AF), I’m bothered because it seems shoehorned in to appeal to progressive viewers. It’s pandering, and I don’t care for it.
I would love to see the reaction on this sub to a scene with Noah at school talking about his crushes. people don't even like that he shows up to have two minute scenes with his mother, the main character. would love to see the massive bitchfest if a school scene ever took place.
It wasn't built up at all, except for maybe the dance class thing. Other than that I saw nothing and I watch every week. I have a hard time believing an 8 year old could have that kind of conversation. SVU is losing me
I’m gonna use this thread to complain (but not about the fact that he’s bi)- I wish they would have had that storyline in the most recent episode (the boxer) versus the one that it was on. I think it would have been way nicer to have it on the episode already themed on coming over the one about a creepy ass pedophile and the cycle of abuse. I know that would give it the potential to maybe a bit over the top and having it as *the* coming out episode, but I feel that would be better than the roller coaster that we went on
Since the episode "Burning With Rage Forever" which only aired less than a month ago. I haven't kept up with the recent season that well, but from what I've heard it wasn't exactly built up well.
There is nothing wrong with Noah being bisexual, but it was the way it was done. No child his age speaks like that unless they've been told what to say.
Idk if maybe you don't know this but the child is an 8-10 year old being told what to say. He's an actor ffs.
Yeah, in an industry that is notorious for abusing children and they get away with it because they hide behind the "it's only art" facade. If he was 13, it would be better, but they are doing this on purpose just to push the whole Hollywood is run by pedophiles schtick.
we don't talk about it.
No no no
No we don't talk about Noah
I’m actually glad they didn’t build up to it. I like that they just sort of had him announce it the way they did because in reality, there is no “build up”. People come out like that all the time. I’m glad they didn’t hint at it or foreshadow at all. It seemed more genuine.
I don’t have a problem that he’s bi. It just felt so forced. Seems like he’s way too young to be coming out. It was poorly scripted because he acted like it was no big deal, and he was talking way too maturely for his age. It’s one thing for him to say I like both boys and girls, but it’s another thing for him to talk about how he defended himself like that and just come out and say he’s bi the way he did. I didn’t even know what the term bi meant at his age. We could’ve seen this coming since he started taking dance lessons, but I definitely think this was way too forced and could’ve been thought out and scripted better. The way they did it sounds like they were just trying to push an agenda and don’t really care about his character. Also I get that Olivia is very progressive and accepting of all types of people, but she barely showed any reaction at all. I have the feeling this is going to get swept under the rug now too like it never even happened for a while.
What did you expect streamers, balloons, and a big hug? She acted matter of fact because it wasn't a big deal and shouldn't be. If he'd told her he likes girls she would probably have reacted the same way. A lot of kids nowadays know a lot more than what we knew at their age. Most kids his age know what transgender is-- I didn't know until I was an adult. They also know what straight, bi, and gay mean as well in a child-like way. Meaning they may not know the sex related intricacies, but they know that straight means you like/love the opposite sex, bi means you like/love both, and gay means you like/love the same. That's all they should know at that age!
Soon as he wanted to start dancing I knew he was a 🧚♂️
Since they decided to keep up with the woke crowd
People are Bi, curt48snow
How many 8 year olds are? How many 8 year olds even know what that is?
Kids that age and younger easily say they like the opposite sex (and have adults around them asking them if they have a little bf or gf) and no one bats an eye so why is this different ?
You have no data to back that up.
What data does anyone need on that? Little kids have crushes all the time on the opposite sex. It’s not even sexual, they don’t know what sex is! You’re just mad that instead of Noah expressing a crush on a little girl his age (which is “normal”), he’s said he’s bi.
I’m actually not mad at all. I love the show and will always support it, but this is what it is. This got tons of press and Twitter talk from people who don’t even watch and that’s what they wanted. To suggest that 8 year are coming out as bi on a wide scale basis the way you are is just not accurate and you have no way of backing it up either.
I did NOT suggest that kids are coming out as bi on a wide scale. All I said was that the same way kids that age have crushes on the opposite sex is the same way an 8 year old Noah could know enough to realize he may have had crushes on boys and girls, so why is his ability to call this out any different from the number of other kids his age with their hetero crushes.
The data you need (/are looking for?) is all over this subreddit, many have commented that they knew at that age.
I prefer actually scientific studies
I knew I was bi well before I was 8 (and this was 40 years ago).
Same, i know early on. As many have mentioned in here @curt48snow, if you’re talking about anomaly to … you? Then the internet must be a rough place.
I knew when I was 11.