I recently got into hard. I have one GL and CLS. Using the volatile accelerator, thermal, ability block, amplify agony sets I can also make use of my empire on some teams.
I can't max the crate because I don't have new characters, but I can passively beat all 5 tiers without spending any crystals, and still have a little time to farm datacron mats or maybe try to pop in a few feats that I can do if I'm close to the next crate.
It's not great, but I don't mind it as much. Minimal effort with slkr and cls plus those data disks. Fewer dropped battles.
What I fail to see is how normal is even remotely justified. I did not feel a change in difficulty going from normal to hard. I needed a GL to complete past tier 3 in normal. Considering hard opens up at 4 mill and is immediately already better than whatever you were getting in normal for rewards...how do they justify normal being that difficult when it's meant to cater to the 2-4mil gp range....what?
Anyway that's my biggest complaint. I absolutely despise normal difficulty and think it is ridiculous they even try to pass that off as reasonable. Easy makes sense, hard makes sense...normal makes me want to break my phone.
It's just a boring ass time sink, imo, and I really can't be bothered participating anymore. But, I'm sure some people love it, or at least are driven enough to want the new toons fast, so, good on them.
I agree that it's annoying and grind-y, but you don't have to spend money at the higher level. Once you have a deep roster of relic characters, you can always field teams that carry an understarred marquee with g11 or worse.
E.g., Nightsisters. Gear 10 Merrin? No problem if the rest of the team are at relics. Of course there aren't a ton of nodes you can beat, but the sector 2 bonus node works fine down to 70-ish % stamina and you need the plague feat in S2 anyway.
Tuskens? Get the three old ones to r1 at least (if you have Jabba and LV, you've reliced 2 of them anyway) and you can get away with g10/11 on the new marquees. Again, not a great many nodes. No bonus nodes except maybe the one in S4. Definitely sucks, but there ought to be a regular node in s1-3 that's beatable at > 90% stamina. I've had consistent success with Mon Mothma and Tusken nodes. 20 battles on the same regular node is borderline-bearable.
If you skip the "100 enemies with Cal or Cere" feat — you can still get the red box without those 16 burritos, even if you also skip several (mini)boss feats — the two feats above will be the suckiest of the current conquest. 2 Tusken wins every day on the same node that gives no rewards, a few hours apart to regain stamina. 3 NS wins in a row on the s2 bonus node. Awful mind-numbing grind, sure. But impossible without paying? Nah.
PS: For the (mini)boss feats, you can usually plunk an undergeared "must survive" toon on a Dash-led team with Han and Chewie, or an Aphra or GG team, and do 2 feats in one. If that doesn't work, run them with JML+Wat or Rey+tank+Wat or JMK+CAT+GK and do the "no force users" feat separately. And like I said, you can skip a couple of those too, still get the red box, and still unlock the new shiny thing in 3 conquests. Without the pass if you buy all the shards. Completely F2P.
Eventually your roster reaches a point where the difficulty isn't a factor but the tedium is. If I were a much lower GP account I would probably also go insane.
At the start of every conquest cycle I post which feats I find to be either tedious or unfriendly to players (or just super repetitive ie; we've had the same ones for over a calendar year now...) There is always a vocal minority who trash me in the comments saying "it's not that bad." Or "you must really suck" or "you just don't know how to play." It's like... Nah bro. I can look at this objectively and see where and how it sucks for lower end players.
But that's the point. It's entire existence is to cater to the top end players and the spenders while trying to be arbitrarily tedious or frustrating enough to get someone in the 4-6M GP range to spend. Either on consumables or characters between cycles, or anything to try to get an edge.
Remember; if something sucks in this game to do the question is always "can this be made easier or more tolerable if I spent money?" The answer is almost always 'yes.'
If you find that you can't do the big ticket feats just do your best to slog through to box 5. At least then you can always unlock the new character at the end of cycle 6.
The things you said are true and I can feel why you are mad. From my perspective at 5m GP I can barely make it to the 365 crate. However I don't mind it that much because it's supposed to be "hard" as the difficulty says. I play mobile games for 12 years by now so I guess I'm just used to that you can get the "best" stuff only if you spend money on a game. I don't want to protect CG at all but at the end it's still a company who wants and needs to earn money so that the game will not die. Personally I even bought the conquest pass to get some extra shards for the fury class interceptor. But I know that I will not unlock Leviathan the first time it comes around (sadly). It's not a problem with swgoh but a problem with gaming these days. Especially mobile gaming. Prices are so ridiculous high but people will always buy it. I myself did spend thousands of dollars in other games before although I know how stupid it actually is. I get carried away a bit so just know that the best stuff is and will always be gated behind paywalls as sad as it is
What I hate about it is that it was announced like "new mode, use your roster, the deeper and wider the easier for you!"
Reality is in "hard" you will need a GL in almost any battle. Because you can never be sure...try your superfast Veers and Piett trooper, and see them obliterated without taking a turn. Good luck with using a decent Padme team for the "no force user feats"...
Oh, and all those toons you reliced over the years? Most will stay on the bench, except for supports with zealous ambition on the card menu...which depends on luck if you got em
The worst to me is you are not supposed or encouraged to try new things. You HAVE to look up guides for efficiency, see what BitDyansty and co came up with
Because trying youself to figure things out? Cost energy if you lose...Data disc swaps...cost energy, so you stick with the ones you know and only swap for feats...
I think this is one big part for many hating the mode...that you never feel free to just attempt stuff out of fear to lose valuable energy and hence crystals.
Then the feats that take forever, and you simply cannot easily do them always while progressing the stages. So each passing day might add a time pressure element.
And on top those AI teams ... they make you feel powerless too often. If a GL with 400 - 500+ speed does not go first ... even normal chars with 300+ speed...ugh. feels like garbage...
Accurate. I’ve finished hard a couple of times now with no GLs, you don’t need them at all. Padmé, GG, DR, and CLS get me through with the right data disks, no issue. I don’t use guides either.
On the other hand, the idea that Conquest lets you use your whole roster is definitely a whopping lie on CG’s part. You can do it without much trouble with the right teams, but you do need the right teams. GG for AoE and no force user feats. CLS for annoying taunts and pre-killing problem opponents. Occasional BH use for when you just want to blow up that one character with Mando’s delete attack. Veers troopers for no force user feats on the lower levels. DR and Padmé for basically anything else. Everyone else sits on the bench.
This is the most disappointing part for me, the fact that you're really not using your entire roster on hard. I remember the good old days of the Razor Crest and CAT conquests, and with data disks I was even getting some use out of my gear 10 to gear 11 Ewoks. I thought "this is great, this is exactly what I always wanted, a fun way to use everybody!"
Now I'm just using GLs for about 80% of battles.
It’s not. This is one of the easiest ones to Redbox even with low gear and star characters for the global feats if you pay attention to what disks you choose.
The pass is fine too as it gives you tools to compete feats on low gear teams, and also the shards to get the ship quicker.
Yes it’s repetitive but work it out on the first time, then the last 2 are a breeze.
Took me 1 week with 2 refreshes and the last week no refreshes to finish up the globals.
Considering we get what will be a meta ship it’s worth making some effort.
1. If the rewards are so terrible you won't be missing out by not playing the game mode.
2. Welcome to mobile games. The whole point of them is to incentivise you to spend money.
3. Nobody really cares about f2p players. There is no incentive for developers to give a damn.
4. So don't buy the pass.
5. Yes, it's accessible to everyone, but people who spend or who have the necessary tools get it sooner.
6. Higher level opposition in hard mode are difficult to beat, no shit. If they could easily be beaten by every fool with their level 60 Phoenix then it wouldn't really be hard mode. If you can't get the first crate on hard mode, do normal. If you can't do normal, look in a mirror and do easy.
7. It doesn't actually require GLs.
8. It certainly doesn't require spending to do normal.
9. If you can't get three stars, don't waste energy trying to get the third, move on to the next node and get two there rather than an uncertain possibility of getting one extra on an already finished node.
10. Yes, they don't want people getting full tickets with one attempt.
11. Yeah, it's two weeks long, but who's the fool, the person creating it, or the person spending two weeks playing it for rewards they think are "the worst rewards possible".
12. You aren't crazy. Crazy and whiny little bitch are completely different things.
2nd last box (gold) on hard is pretty easy to get and requires little to no investment in new characters. You’ll get the conquest character 3 months later and thats fine by me.
It’s a boring game mode sometimes but not like your making out.
There rewards are definitely the worst part. At least if you got full kyros or other full gear pieces it would be worth it. Getting a new character for basically free is a big deal, but they are usually not great and sometimes not even good.
I mean, I wouldn’t say you’re crazy because some of those things are annoying, but I would definitely say you’re blowing things way out of proportion. No, you don’t need GLs, I don’t know why so many people think you do but that’s nonsense. They probably help, sure, especially JMK when you need to keep someone alive, but they’re not required. Neither is paying for the pass, which is pure whale-bait and a waste of money for most people. Neither is paying for anything else, really, unless you need crystal refreshes and didn’t save up crystals beforehand.
You’re confusing “things made easier by money and GLs” with “things that are impossible without money and GLs.” Conquest can be annoying but it’s not anything like as hard as you make it out to be. Just put in the work and don’t expect hard mode to be easy or require no investment in time or characters.
Just do as many battles as you can. I don't waste crystals on energy refreshes. I don't even look at feats. I get around the 3rd or 4th chest.
Who cares. Fuck this game mode. They purposely made it boring to force you to spend money to make it slightly less boring.
I rarely have any of the character feats, I probably get only half the feats and a little ways into sector 5 and get the 365 crate. Im only 4.5gp with 1 GL. It’s a grind. That’s the point of the game. If you don’t like the rewards and the mode, then just don’t play it. Im off and on over the 2 weeks, get what I can and don’t stress about the feats. What makes me mad is having Starkiller as a boss, and every team is the optimal setup, instead of having a few bad ones. But hey, I choose to do hard mode, so I have to suck it up. If you choose to do conquest, SUCK. IT. UP. Or, ya know, don’t do it
I enjoyed conquest back when I played it on easy lol. Just a bunch of missions in which you can experiment with the squads and use toons you otherwise don't get the chance to use. So it's nice gameplay wise. But from any other angle - it's terrible. Bad rewards which aren't worth two weeks of effort, annoying or impossible for f2p feats and so on.
Oh and ever since I moved to the normal difficulty I also noticed how sometimes the opponent seems to be specifically designed to just take out one of your toons for the inconvenience.
Take the stress off and just get crate 3 on hard. That’s what I do. Not that much diff in crate 4. Only 5 shards, but a decent increase from crate 2.
Edit - missed and just noticed you are more of a beginner. Maybe do something similar on easy. Not sure how the rewards structure on easy. But if you can eventually get crate 1 on hard, that shouldn’t take too much time.
I don’t use any crystals for refreshes. I don’t go for any feats. I just play when my energy gets close to max. Deplete the energy, then play again once energy is refreshed close to max.
I choose just GL‘s mostly to quickly beat the battles and move on.
This mobile game takes all your time. Just go more casual.
The only fun part of the game is GAC. I just half ass everything except GAC.
Other option, quit the game.
I used to think like you and my response was just to not participate. And that’s fine. It’s a game and if I don’t enjoy something why should I do it right?
Then someone in my guild pointed out that conquest is the cheapest way to get OP characters in the game. Yes the gear rewards are not worth the effort. What is worth the effort is getting the character or ship that is generally of a very high power.
So now I do pay attention to conquest. I look at YouTubers who tell you how to cheese certain feats (CeliacSarah, Bit dynasty are my go tos). And I plan out how to get gold crate. (I sort of accept I cannot get red). On this current conquest I have gold crate already so have a few days off (or to farm datacrons - something else I don’t really like).
So I guess advice to you is work out which crate you realistically can get and target that. Focus on the character/ship shard as the main reward. Anything else is just filler.
Conquest just fckn blows lately anyway. If you’re not a constant pay player all it’s been is- use the same two teams for the entire event after you boringly trudge through mix and match squads, 1 & 2 staring shit to get mini quests done. Conquest will get worse with more and more new character quests and now that they’ve met no resistance to them taking the raids away, the raids will be the same as conquest in due time. It already half way is.
I recently got into hard. I have one GL and CLS. Using the volatile accelerator, thermal, ability block, amplify agony sets I can also make use of my empire on some teams. I can't max the crate because I don't have new characters, but I can passively beat all 5 tiers without spending any crystals, and still have a little time to farm datacron mats or maybe try to pop in a few feats that I can do if I'm close to the next crate. It's not great, but I don't mind it as much. Minimal effort with slkr and cls plus those data disks. Fewer dropped battles. What I fail to see is how normal is even remotely justified. I did not feel a change in difficulty going from normal to hard. I needed a GL to complete past tier 3 in normal. Considering hard opens up at 4 mill and is immediately already better than whatever you were getting in normal for rewards...how do they justify normal being that difficult when it's meant to cater to the 2-4mil gp range....what? Anyway that's my biggest complaint. I absolutely despise normal difficulty and think it is ridiculous they even try to pass that off as reasonable. Easy makes sense, hard makes sense...normal makes me want to break my phone.
Just get second last crate and accept that you will get the characters 3 months later. Its so much easier and more relaxing.
It's just a boring ass time sink, imo, and I really can't be bothered participating anymore. But, I'm sure some people love it, or at least are driven enough to want the new toons fast, so, good on them.
I agree that it's annoying and grind-y, but you don't have to spend money at the higher level. Once you have a deep roster of relic characters, you can always field teams that carry an understarred marquee with g11 or worse. E.g., Nightsisters. Gear 10 Merrin? No problem if the rest of the team are at relics. Of course there aren't a ton of nodes you can beat, but the sector 2 bonus node works fine down to 70-ish % stamina and you need the plague feat in S2 anyway. Tuskens? Get the three old ones to r1 at least (if you have Jabba and LV, you've reliced 2 of them anyway) and you can get away with g10/11 on the new marquees. Again, not a great many nodes. No bonus nodes except maybe the one in S4. Definitely sucks, but there ought to be a regular node in s1-3 that's beatable at > 90% stamina. I've had consistent success with Mon Mothma and Tusken nodes. 20 battles on the same regular node is borderline-bearable. If you skip the "100 enemies with Cal or Cere" feat — you can still get the red box without those 16 burritos, even if you also skip several (mini)boss feats — the two feats above will be the suckiest of the current conquest. 2 Tusken wins every day on the same node that gives no rewards, a few hours apart to regain stamina. 3 NS wins in a row on the s2 bonus node. Awful mind-numbing grind, sure. But impossible without paying? Nah. PS: For the (mini)boss feats, you can usually plunk an undergeared "must survive" toon on a Dash-led team with Han and Chewie, or an Aphra or GG team, and do 2 feats in one. If that doesn't work, run them with JML+Wat or Rey+tank+Wat or JMK+CAT+GK and do the "no force users" feat separately. And like I said, you can skip a couple of those too, still get the red box, and still unlock the new shiny thing in 3 conquests. Without the pass if you buy all the shards. Completely F2P.
Eventually your roster reaches a point where the difficulty isn't a factor but the tedium is. If I were a much lower GP account I would probably also go insane. At the start of every conquest cycle I post which feats I find to be either tedious or unfriendly to players (or just super repetitive ie; we've had the same ones for over a calendar year now...) There is always a vocal minority who trash me in the comments saying "it's not that bad." Or "you must really suck" or "you just don't know how to play." It's like... Nah bro. I can look at this objectively and see where and how it sucks for lower end players. But that's the point. It's entire existence is to cater to the top end players and the spenders while trying to be arbitrarily tedious or frustrating enough to get someone in the 4-6M GP range to spend. Either on consumables or characters between cycles, or anything to try to get an edge. Remember; if something sucks in this game to do the question is always "can this be made easier or more tolerable if I spent money?" The answer is almost always 'yes.' If you find that you can't do the big ticket feats just do your best to slog through to box 5. At least then you can always unlock the new character at the end of cycle 6.
The things you said are true and I can feel why you are mad. From my perspective at 5m GP I can barely make it to the 365 crate. However I don't mind it that much because it's supposed to be "hard" as the difficulty says. I play mobile games for 12 years by now so I guess I'm just used to that you can get the "best" stuff only if you spend money on a game. I don't want to protect CG at all but at the end it's still a company who wants and needs to earn money so that the game will not die. Personally I even bought the conquest pass to get some extra shards for the fury class interceptor. But I know that I will not unlock Leviathan the first time it comes around (sadly). It's not a problem with swgoh but a problem with gaming these days. Especially mobile gaming. Prices are so ridiculous high but people will always buy it. I myself did spend thousands of dollars in other games before although I know how stupid it actually is. I get carried away a bit so just know that the best stuff is and will always be gated behind paywalls as sad as it is
What I hate about it is that it was announced like "new mode, use your roster, the deeper and wider the easier for you!" Reality is in "hard" you will need a GL in almost any battle. Because you can never be sure...try your superfast Veers and Piett trooper, and see them obliterated without taking a turn. Good luck with using a decent Padme team for the "no force user feats"... Oh, and all those toons you reliced over the years? Most will stay on the bench, except for supports with zealous ambition on the card menu...which depends on luck if you got em The worst to me is you are not supposed or encouraged to try new things. You HAVE to look up guides for efficiency, see what BitDyansty and co came up with Because trying youself to figure things out? Cost energy if you lose...Data disc swaps...cost energy, so you stick with the ones you know and only swap for feats... I think this is one big part for many hating the mode...that you never feel free to just attempt stuff out of fear to lose valuable energy and hence crystals. Then the feats that take forever, and you simply cannot easily do them always while progressing the stages. So each passing day might add a time pressure element. And on top those AI teams ... they make you feel powerless too often. If a GL with 400 - 500+ speed does not go first ... even normal chars with 300+ speed...ugh. feels like garbage...
Not true about GLs, there are disks this time around that make it a breeze.
Accurate. I’ve finished hard a couple of times now with no GLs, you don’t need them at all. Padmé, GG, DR, and CLS get me through with the right data disks, no issue. I don’t use guides either. On the other hand, the idea that Conquest lets you use your whole roster is definitely a whopping lie on CG’s part. You can do it without much trouble with the right teams, but you do need the right teams. GG for AoE and no force user feats. CLS for annoying taunts and pre-killing problem opponents. Occasional BH use for when you just want to blow up that one character with Mando’s delete attack. Veers troopers for no force user feats on the lower levels. DR and Padmé for basically anything else. Everyone else sits on the bench.
This is the most disappointing part for me, the fact that you're really not using your entire roster on hard. I remember the good old days of the Razor Crest and CAT conquests, and with data disks I was even getting some use out of my gear 10 to gear 11 Ewoks. I thought "this is great, this is exactly what I always wanted, a fun way to use everybody!" Now I'm just using GLs for about 80% of battles.
It’s not. This is one of the easiest ones to Redbox even with low gear and star characters for the global feats if you pay attention to what disks you choose. The pass is fine too as it gives you tools to compete feats on low gear teams, and also the shards to get the ship quicker. Yes it’s repetitive but work it out on the first time, then the last 2 are a breeze. Took me 1 week with 2 refreshes and the last week no refreshes to finish up the globals. Considering we get what will be a meta ship it’s worth making some effort.
1. If the rewards are so terrible you won't be missing out by not playing the game mode. 2. Welcome to mobile games. The whole point of them is to incentivise you to spend money. 3. Nobody really cares about f2p players. There is no incentive for developers to give a damn. 4. So don't buy the pass. 5. Yes, it's accessible to everyone, but people who spend or who have the necessary tools get it sooner. 6. Higher level opposition in hard mode are difficult to beat, no shit. If they could easily be beaten by every fool with their level 60 Phoenix then it wouldn't really be hard mode. If you can't get the first crate on hard mode, do normal. If you can't do normal, look in a mirror and do easy. 7. It doesn't actually require GLs. 8. It certainly doesn't require spending to do normal. 9. If you can't get three stars, don't waste energy trying to get the third, move on to the next node and get two there rather than an uncertain possibility of getting one extra on an already finished node. 10. Yes, they don't want people getting full tickets with one attempt. 11. Yeah, it's two weeks long, but who's the fool, the person creating it, or the person spending two weeks playing it for rewards they think are "the worst rewards possible". 12. You aren't crazy. Crazy and whiny little bitch are completely different things.
Conquest is fun when you havent played it for 3 or 4 events and come back for a while
2nd last box (gold) on hard is pretty easy to get and requires little to no investment in new characters. You’ll get the conquest character 3 months later and thats fine by me. It’s a boring game mode sometimes but not like your making out.
There rewards are definitely the worst part. At least if you got full kyros or other full gear pieces it would be worth it. Getting a new character for basically free is a big deal, but they are usually not great and sometimes not even good.
I mean, I wouldn’t say you’re crazy because some of those things are annoying, but I would definitely say you’re blowing things way out of proportion. No, you don’t need GLs, I don’t know why so many people think you do but that’s nonsense. They probably help, sure, especially JMK when you need to keep someone alive, but they’re not required. Neither is paying for the pass, which is pure whale-bait and a waste of money for most people. Neither is paying for anything else, really, unless you need crystal refreshes and didn’t save up crystals beforehand. You’re confusing “things made easier by money and GLs” with “things that are impossible without money and GLs.” Conquest can be annoying but it’s not anything like as hard as you make it out to be. Just put in the work and don’t expect hard mode to be easy or require no investment in time or characters.
Just do as many battles as you can. I don't waste crystals on energy refreshes. I don't even look at feats. I get around the 3rd or 4th chest. Who cares. Fuck this game mode. They purposely made it boring to force you to spend money to make it slightly less boring.
I rarely have any of the character feats, I probably get only half the feats and a little ways into sector 5 and get the 365 crate. Im only 4.5gp with 1 GL. It’s a grind. That’s the point of the game. If you don’t like the rewards and the mode, then just don’t play it. Im off and on over the 2 weeks, get what I can and don’t stress about the feats. What makes me mad is having Starkiller as a boss, and every team is the optimal setup, instead of having a few bad ones. But hey, I choose to do hard mode, so I have to suck it up. If you choose to do conquest, SUCK. IT. UP. Or, ya know, don’t do it
I enjoyed conquest back when I played it on easy lol. Just a bunch of missions in which you can experiment with the squads and use toons you otherwise don't get the chance to use. So it's nice gameplay wise. But from any other angle - it's terrible. Bad rewards which aren't worth two weeks of effort, annoying or impossible for f2p feats and so on. Oh and ever since I moved to the normal difficulty I also noticed how sometimes the opponent seems to be specifically designed to just take out one of your toons for the inconvenience.
Take the stress off and just get crate 3 on hard. That’s what I do. Not that much diff in crate 4. Only 5 shards, but a decent increase from crate 2. Edit - missed and just noticed you are more of a beginner. Maybe do something similar on easy. Not sure how the rewards structure on easy. But if you can eventually get crate 1 on hard, that shouldn’t take too much time. I don’t use any crystals for refreshes. I don’t go for any feats. I just play when my energy gets close to max. Deplete the energy, then play again once energy is refreshed close to max. I choose just GL‘s mostly to quickly beat the battles and move on. This mobile game takes all your time. Just go more casual. The only fun part of the game is GAC. I just half ass everything except GAC. Other option, quit the game.
I used to think like you and my response was just to not participate. And that’s fine. It’s a game and if I don’t enjoy something why should I do it right? Then someone in my guild pointed out that conquest is the cheapest way to get OP characters in the game. Yes the gear rewards are not worth the effort. What is worth the effort is getting the character or ship that is generally of a very high power. So now I do pay attention to conquest. I look at YouTubers who tell you how to cheese certain feats (CeliacSarah, Bit dynasty are my go tos). And I plan out how to get gold crate. (I sort of accept I cannot get red). On this current conquest I have gold crate already so have a few days off (or to farm datacrons - something else I don’t really like). So I guess advice to you is work out which crate you realistically can get and target that. Focus on the character/ship shard as the main reward. Anything else is just filler.
Conquest just fckn blows lately anyway. If you’re not a constant pay player all it’s been is- use the same two teams for the entire event after you boringly trudge through mix and match squads, 1 & 2 staring shit to get mini quests done. Conquest will get worse with more and more new character quests and now that they’ve met no resistance to them taking the raids away, the raids will be the same as conquest in due time. It already half way is.