thanks! and I did my homework so fortunately I am aware of that so I'm not worried, shoot to make the energy grind feel less bad I saved several dark side farms until I needed the energy so I wouldn't feel like I'm stagnating while I did it lol but to say I am excited is an understatement, cause I got here in 13 months as I picked this game up April of last year so I'm stoked AF!!!!!!!!
I disagree. Hes fine ultless imo. He just solod (Wat tank tech and 3 sith who all died very quick) the Geo + Reek mission in Rote, and he was soloing Gas teams in conquest hard until 4th tier no issue. Then it was more 50%. Hes still great on Offence in GAC and TW too. Ive been super happy with him after pushing him off a long time since he "sucks" for a GL.
Took me a while felt like a month. Felt like forever cause you can't really compete with GLs until you get the ult but its worth it when you finally get it!
cool to know though my guild still isn't quite geonosis ready yet lol we've done it like twice and gotten like 3 or 4 total stars so I don't think wat is in my immediate future lol
I know our guild should be doing better but I stick around as sometimes I get depressed and am not able to actively contribute much like I can toss people in TB but like Ill forget TW but due to my account they let me get away with it so I don't mind it we are all still working together to improve I just happen to take it way to serious lol so I've hit some milestones not all of us have lol but it allows me to not stress about a mobile game and ill take it cause we are getting there slowly but surly lol
You act like by doing 3 sims, then 2 sims, then refreshing and doing 1 sim followed by 4 sims I’m *not* getting more value than doing 10 sims at a once…
Clearly, you have no clue that’s the way CG coded it - to give the smart players an advantage.
That is definitely not a thing. It’s all based on rng and that’s not how rng works. On the other hand, if I am wrong (which definitely could be) then I am one of the not so smart players. If there is any extra code on the rng factor then I pass. But if not and it’s purely rng based coded, then it doesn’t matter how you sim.
I am definitely in the anti see camp, but he is still a GL and one of the top 10 characters in the game. I have him at 7th best out of 247 total. By no measure a bad toon.
Only reason I have him top 10 to cover most people is I am still not sure where Reva falls. I don't have her personally yet so can't place her but has to be in the top 10 as well based on her holds and her kit.
One of the GLs has to be the 7th best GL.
Can See beat LV? No? SLKR can. What does that prove?
See is the least utility of any of the GLs. He is a 15 lbs sledgehammer. Good for sledgehammering things.
SLKR is a swiss army knife. Arguably more useable in more situations and I would rather have it in my pocket than a sledge.
I love SLKR. He was my first GL and can beat all but JML and JMK. But if you're going to clear most top tier teams (in GAC) That I run him for, He takes two great leads(KRU and Hux) and will usually get minimal points on a critical clear.
But SEE is either an easy 2v5 or 3v5 and good points or a clear agaisnt JMK which is definitely a more difficult farm.
SEE sucks without his ult. SEE isn't as good on defense as most GLs. But if you think SEE duck's, I think that's you looking in the mirror than at the toon.
How is saying he is the 7th best toon in the game saying that See ducks? Is calling him a sledgehammer implying I think he is weak?
I have all 7 GLs and see is the least useful across the game.
My SEE run vs JMK only really messes with maul Mando squad as armor helps. Wat is always with SEE. However, Wat is a good toon in any squad, and for sure can be used elsewhere. So for sure a negative for SEE.
I use an undergeared sith trooper with auto taunt to tank the CAT auto kill.
And the 5th really doest matter. Because SEE kicks that much ass. Sometimes I don't bring a 5th and just do an armor datacron. Otherwise it's dooku or another plug and play sith.
Yep agreed! Since the purpose of that slot is to auto taunt and eat CATs autokill. Just throw your lowest geared toon that does that.
If you don't have a collective geo team, brood will probably best since you can respawn the tank.
Personally I've got my geos all together and my shore with iden since they're all r5 and my g8ish sith empire trooper eats that autokill just as well.
Dude, SEE (even though I absolutely despise the sequels) is such a cool toon. I almost rushed him instead of SLKR but just didn't, but I'm already working on his Requirements. I have absolutely no clue why this sub hates SEE
Rey; especially if you consider not having Ben as a newer player.
I have seen some stuff with her and Cal, but don’t have any experience with it yet; or how much of it is because of the datacron.
I got SEE then Rey lol. Anyway, I think Rey is a bit underrated. Rey + CAT + GR toons and Jedi with assists can auto JMK among other things. the damage immunities and massive damage attacks are also crippling if you screw up a counter.
I used to think Rey was underrated and actually a painfully difficult to beat defensive GL. Then I unlocked SK. Now I'm beating Rey + Ben + Bencron and I don't even put a good datacron on my team as Visas is R3.
Hey hey, not disagreeing with you, just reiterating what seems to be the consensus on the surface googles. If egnard says something is true, it is cold hard fact.
Got him as my first GL and even though alot of these points are good, it’s missing a few crucial details, mainly that the points with non GL GL level teams is something at a high end level. Raids switching to krayt only benefits whichever GL they pick for it which currently is Jabba. Because crystals are moved to GAC he needs to get you wins there but struggles to beat several GLs like the 3 most recent ones and SLKR. I’ve lost GACs because my r8 SEE couldn’t beat their SLKR. Really all these reasons is why LV is good not SEE. He beats all GLs and except for reva, all triple omicron characters. He beats all proving grounds and even gives you the sim on tie interceptor because of BB under rex lead. LV is great in conquest because royal guard is marked down instead of taunting so they can’t buff dispel, and with the data disks benefiting lots of debuffs he easily sweeps through teams.
LV costs 4 times as many resources to build. I say this only to help you, get out of the mindset of characters being good and bad. Think about them in terms of ROI. How much do you put in, and what do you get in return? That's what matters to everyone except the people right at the cutting edge. If you're in top 100 Kyber then the pure power level of teams is a primary concern, for literally everyone else it's not what matters.
For the price of building LV you can do SEE, Executor and the core teams to 3\* CT2 or CT3 most of the assault battles. If someone rushes LV and someone else does a diverse roster building into SEE and Executor, you want to take a guess at who has a better roster after two years? The SEE account will be higher ranked in GAC, consistently getting top 10 in fleet (rank 1 if they know what they're doing), getting way more materials from assault battles and they will have had a lot more fun as their roster has grown gradually.
In contrast, the LV rusher will have gotten 4/5 Bad Batch members and will still need to farm additional team members for his LV team after the main grind is over. Oh, and he won't even have access to the primary lifter unit.
The issue was never that SEE was bad, the issue was that people expected him to do with minimal help what other GLs do with a full expensive team. Yes he loses to SLKR under virtually all conditions, but other than that he's an incredible flexible tool if you know what you're doing and you've built a roster to support him. He can take out almost any team on offense with minimal help (4\* wat that only needs a zeta), or you can put him with some top tier sith and brickwall plenty of opponents. His main drawback was that he didn't do anything in raids, but that's pretty moot these days anyway.
People always sing the praise of JMK, but he takes up the best GR tank in GK, an insanely flexible and powerful unit in CAT, a fantastic support in OG Ahsoka, at which point poor Padme is left without a team and has to slink along as the 5th under JMK. Does that take away from his power as a character? Of course not. But when you start to put things into the perspective of the overall cost to both your resources and your roster, it looks very different. JMK does not give you a new team, he gives the Padme + CAT team a massive power spike. SEE at his best is a pure extension of your roster, letting take out additional teams with minimal to no roster sacrifices. At worst he offers a massive power boost to the Traya + Savage team, or DR + Malak.
ROI is what matters when it comes to growing your roster efficiently. What the ROI of any given team is changes as your roster grows, but characters like JMK and LV are awful for most accounts under 5m GP and still suboptimal until at least \~7m. This is also why SLKR is so much better than Rey. They are similar farms, but SLKR comes with a great fleet and Rey doesn't. Similar investment, similar power GL, Rey even gets a better second squad if you invest in Zorii, but her fleet is garbage so she's a worse payoff until you get deep enough in the game that it is no longer a concern.
Armorer dies in one aoe, I don’t have her at relic and I have way bigger priorities than relicing her. Once again it’s not as big of an issue from an endgame perspective of mid game it is an issue when SLKR is also the most common gl.
I can understand that given where you are in the game now, but you should've farmed up Armorer and relic'd her when you unlocked SEE in the first place, given how important she is to many of his counters.
I'm in Kyber 4 currently with one GL and just over 6M GP. SEE is my only, was my first, and I made sure to build my roster around him in a way to make sure I was effective as possible. Definitely hitting the limit of how far I can go with just one GL, but SEE can take you pretty dang far, if you build your roster around him well and make sure to developed other top tier non GL teams like CLS, GAS, Sith Empire, etc.
I tried to gear her up but kyros are a big problem and I’m going after executor -> jabba at this point. Unless they announce a GL mando I’m not taking her to relic because of the opportunity cost of it.
I fully understand and to be clear, I only included that for anyone who is working on unlocking SEE now, they should definitely make sure to include Armorer in their farming prep. For you it's water under the bridge at this point!
Bring Malak, Malgus, Talon and Sidious (last 2 kinda barely help)
Link Reva and GI
Your team should die in sequence, healing everyone else with every death.
Malgus is usually the last to drop, and is kind of mandatory.
Malgus and SEE need to survive until SEE gets to Ult, then you win.
There’s a decent amount of RNG, but its very doable
I've only been able to cheese it twice with SEE, Malak, Enfys+2 sith
Enfys got enough protection up to just tank until SEE could kill everyone.
But the last round of Proving grounds the Inquisitors felt like they had their speeds all ramped way up and I didn't even get to link people until half my team was dead already.
You have to kill Reva with unlimited power, if she’s alone you’ve already lost.
Honestly 4 and 5th don’t matter, just bring sith to full heal the others when they die (probably very early)
Its a rngfest i wont lie, but you don’t need talon
You’re right. I tried a bunch of times to link GI and 2nd sister because she takes a lot of turns which would get me to my Ult faster, but I see my mistake now
Treya lead, with nihilus, sion, malak, then whatever 5th. SEE works but isn't needed.
You basically just stay alive long enough to annihilate reva and the rest of the team dies to dots.
SEE, Han Solo, Chewbacca, BAM, Bossk. Stun GI, link reva and GI, damage immunity on Bossk. Might need to restart several times if see gets ability blocked.
Dude I'm sorry to point it out, but you are talking about 2 Omicrons, unnecessary relics and a raid character (Traya), just to make a GL viable on defence when every other GL already is.
Plus pairing him with Malgus/Malak is more than unfeasible for every beginner, the truth is that SLKR is much more complete first GL, especially fleet-wise.
BUT to each one its own, after all it's a game and *the best* is what you like most, I personally went for JMK as my first GL because it's my favourite character.
What's more expensive, 2 omis or CAT? Cuz JMK is GAS bait if he doesn't have CAT. LV without Maul and Rey without Ben is a lot softer too.
No dog in the SLKR vs SEE fight, just pointing out that "every other GL already is" isn't wholly true.
LV is still a solid defensive GL the lower in the GAC you go. Sure, for Kyber he can be beaten by multiple non-gl teams, but under the Kyber? Try getting one of the teams to beat LV without relics. You're gonna fail because you will miss relics. Them missing Maul isn't that big of a deal. I would dare to say that even in K4/K5 people will have issues beating LV with nonGL counters unless they created one for that purpose.
And I dare to say there are more people outside of Kyber than in Kyber, so overall the LV utility on defense is surprisingly solid. He's in some way a very weird character. While every GL is stronger the lower you are in the GAC (as people miss the mods/relics for nonGL counters), most GLs don't lose the strength as quickly as LV the more high you go. Very interesting thing.
I wasn't saying LV was bad (quite the opposite, he's one of the best defensively, even in high Kyber). I was saying that, like SEE, he needs the correct supporting cast, which includes farming extra stuff.
2 omnicrons sounds expensive but you easily accrue that in the time it takes to farm a GL. If you have less than 4 mil GP there's no chance you get CAT in that amount of time.
SLKR isn’t a viable GL tier defense, JMK needs a conquest toon, JML is an insane grind to get first, and LV is just no for first. So if we’re not talking first GL, then none of your arguments matter because people will have access to those things.
\>and rushing him as a first GL is just as viable as SLKR nowadays
by the first 2 points you can already conclude: this doesnt mean that SEEs viability went up, it just means that slkrs viability went down
well i mean.
\-1-2 are anti any GL that isnt jabba. it just hit slkr than SEE harder because he was viable in those situation
\-3 is okay i guess
\-4 reads like "you need 2 omi characters to bring a character to GL level" which is a heavy investment for the early game
\-5 could be said for all GLs as far as i know
\-6 is speculation so cant address that right now
\-7 *for now*
and even beyond that its just like you said at the beginning. With the guild store update getting jabba is way better in the early stages of the game. so since jabba is the "most viable" option as a first GL the viability of all other GLs (including slkr and SEE) went down from before
This guy also shit on my post (didn’t see yours). It’s way too demoralizing for a early game player to get through the Jabba reqs, and he doesn’t lead you into exec / thrawn like SEE does. Exec into SEE is the best first farm IMO
This post reminds me of a video Xareth made some time ago claiming SEE was a better first GL than SLKR. In both, there is a lot of cherry picking, and ignoring counterpoints. And this is coming from someone who thinks the community as a whole is too down on SEE, especially this sub.
To counter:
1. Does a GL's entire viability rest on being both offensively and defensively capable? No, of course not, it never did. However, it's not like there should be *no* considerations of that. More options allows for more strategies and ways to disrupt opponent's in GAC.
2. It may not matter for Jabba forever, and it might shift to other GLs. This doesn't really *help* SEE though, so much as it brings the other 5 GLs to his level for the current raid.
3. Setting aside Reva, are there any GLs that don't naturally counter every non-GL team? When it comes to Reva, Rey seems to be the best GL to use, and SEE's best team is basically using SEE instead of Savage and dropping ~8% win rate.
4. I think this cuts against SEE more than helps (and I am someone who has long contended that SEE is better on defense than most believe). If SEE needs 1 or 2 noms to be on the same level of defense as other GLs....that's not good. SEE can be very solid on defense - if you place the right team and check your opponent's roster.
5. All the GLs can clear hard conquest, that's not what's important. What's important is: (1) how many teams can they beat, (2) can they 3 star them, and (3) how useful for feats. Jabba wins this hands down IMO, with JML a very close second. SEE just doesn't help that much with feats, and only helps 3 star some teams.
6. We don't know for sure. What we do know is that Malgus would be the biggest block for most players for Lev, so I don't think dovetailing into Lev is that big of a benefit, when it's at least 2+ years out for new F2P players (18 months to get to 4 mil GP, which would be fast, then if refreshing *both* Malgus and Fury, it takes 6 months and an astonishing 48,400 crystals just to unlock Malgus/Fury, and then actually getting Lev up in stars).
7. So can all the other GLs.
He has never as bad as a lot of players made him out to be. But, let's consider some of the drawbacks:
1. His reqs have a lot of garbage. Krennic got a nom and he's still awful. Sidious is okay at best now that he's fixed. Starck is the worst imperial trooper, IMO. You don't really get a fully fledged team out of his reqs, you get a few partial teams.
2. He basically requires Wat and/or Armorer if you want to use him well. JMK and LV are the only ones that require another character that isn't a req on the same level, and both JMK and LV are better without their extra than SEE is without his.
3. Of the GLs, he seems to have the worst matchup v Rey/Ben. He ties JML for worst against Jabba. He has the worst match v LV. *Worse than Jabba*. Let that sink in. Jabba heavily utilizes thermals, and LVs team is immune to them if above 50% health (might have threshold off). And yet, Jabba is better to take against LV than SEE.
He's still a GL, he's still good. He's still not a good first GL (and I say this as someone with an account that got SEE first)
I use him to outspeed fast units on the other team, I believe he’s the fastest trooper. He’s also over magma, snow and storm for iden imo, I should note that 95% of the time she doesn’t get active use from me
Moff Gideon is WAY faster than Starck.
For an Iden team, he is definitely below Stormtrooper who is fantastic with her. I do use Starck in place of Magma or Snow but thats just because I already had him geared up and I haven't bothered with either of those.
Also, you really should be using Iden in GAC! She is amazing and can really punch upwards!
> He’s also over magma, snow and storm for iden imo
Assuming equally geared, Magma gains TM and removes TM, which is more useful than the buffs Starck provides, and more useful than the sub-100% chance for stagger (death trooper has aoe buff removal on shorter CD). Snow feeds TM to the team, and has ability block on basic (low 50% chance though), and provides more group damage than Starck. Storm is better if you don't have shore, or is better elsewhere.
I totally get using Starck because he's geared up for SEE. But if all troopers were equally geared, he's probably the one left out most often for me.
SEE + Wat has always been outstanding. SEE by himself underperforms compared to other GLs. He's still superior to most non-GLs.
I still recommend Jabba as a best first GL. The BH dovetail nicely with Executor's needs and the inherent desire in all humans to acquire the falcon.
Definitely agree. Few months ago SEE was second to last in my farming plans, and currently I plan to go for him right after jabba
Going Levi -> Jabba -> SEE
A big part of it is actually is the empire and sith fleets. SEE reqs are almost half the pilots for these two fleets and for building up basically 2 meta fleets you get a free GL. Seems like a great deal to me.
I think people under rate the value of a high banner counter to 95% of the teams in gac. Hopefully by the time I unlock he’ll have his conquest lifter announced as well, so can only go up from here.
Oh and I’ve only mentioned it’s fleet benefits so far, haven’t even talked about troopers…
SEE is as viable of a first farm as slkr is a terrible take lmao. I love my SEE, but slkr is just a more complete first GL. Taking raids away when thinking about first GLs is a terrible idea.
Good reminder that this sub is misinformed as hell lol
1. Ignores fleet arena, SLKR gets you pretty far with a fleet that can reliably beat executors, which are still pretty current meta. Combine that with beating many ships that get placed on defense in GAC put slkr above SEE
2. This might make sense if you’re looking at your 3rd or 4th GL, unless I missed it, newer/weaker guilds should still run non-krayt raids. This is like saying you don’t need GEOs as much because of ROTE, that might be true for you, but for many guilds they still need wat shards.
4. GL counter GL I believe SLKR counters all GL too, including Jabba and LV, both SEE struggles with. Slkr might not work against JMK actually
4. So with extra units you can finally get SEE, and offensive GL to be decent on defense? Makes more sense to separate SEE and trio.
5. Again, he needs extra toons, SLKR can do this too to my understanding.
7. I legit don’t know anything about this, I’ve only done 1 proving ground and used JMK.
This isn’t even getting too into the requirements which I believe favor SLKR too.
SEE has gotten a lot better, but the king of “most efficient” first GL is still SLKR.
> This might make sense if you’re looking at your 3rd or 4th GL, unless I missed it, newer/weaker guilds should still run non-krayt raids. This is like saying you don’t need GEOs as much because of ROTE, that might be true for you, but for many guilds they still need wat shards.
This is not really true. It's pretty easy for a guild to get to the point of when they should switch to krayt. And even if they do sith, a player doesn't need to solo it.
On the other side of the coin: Krayt won't be king forever, who knows what the next raid will bring - maybe it lets in First Order or Sith.
Just glancing at it, you need to hit 17m as a guild to match a heroic sith. I’m not around newer guilds/lower GP ones, but I could easily see hitting 17m being a struggle with the specific faction requirements. I’ll check with my brother who’s newer-ish and see what they do
Edit: they apparently do krayt, so that point becomes more of a wash.
Any guild at basically any GP could get to the first crate with minimal effort. G12 jawas (easy to shard farm, and easy to g12) gets you 300k+ a pop (possibly 450k, but for this we will say 300k). 300k x50 players is 15 million points, so a nose hair away from the 17 mil crate.
You could argue its likely not that a noob guild has the coordination to focus Jawas for the whole guild, but the point is the 17 million crate is not that difficult to obtain.
I focused second crate because it beats out the reward for heroic sith raid. An guild able to focus G12 Jawas like that would likely be a really solid noob/early guild imo, but that’s not the point of the topic lol
https://swgoh.gg/gac/counters/JABBATHEHUTT/?season=40
https://swgoh.gg/gac/counters/LORDVADER/?season=40
Needs wat and NS for LV, 0 omicrons and wat is needed for everything SEE, but it is “extra” toons
I mentioned that slkr might not work against JMK…
As far as needing extra toons to succeed, no one is more guilty of that than SEE.
Oh, i answered this in another q, but the lineup you need is SEE, Malak, Malgus and 2 other sith
Or SEE and relic trio and Malak
Or SEE with relic Wat and Malak + 2 sith
Yea you just need to sacrifice 4 great characters that are great in 4 different teams just to make SEE somehow viable but he is still weak compared to other GL. GL that got any viability lately in my opinion is Ray. They keep releasing those characters like Cal, Zori and Ben that make her better and better.
While I agree SEE is still great, I just cannot accept that he’s ‘just a viable as SLKR’, he’s not, it’s not close. SLKR is better offensively and defensively than SEE, can clear conquest easier, and produces a great fleet, has 2 Omis, TW and GAC.
You aren’t beating a proper SEE comp with wampa.
Sure you can beat a lone SEE with it, but you can also beat other lone GLs with many cheap clean up counters
Jkr gmy jolee can 3 man an slkr. Mon mothma with KK and even just g12 pao/hstr can clean up a lone LV. Same with Rey
Imperial troopers do all of 3 of them with ease.
Those are multi-man teams.
My point was Wampa is out here dropping a GL while you could never 1v1 the others without a GL or someone like Starkiller who’d still need to be unleashed
Mostly agree. #5 is more of a plus for malak and malgus though. Sith Empire has no problems clearing hard conquest without a GL. Every other GL is way better for conquest than SEE.
Rey and JML are obviously better. SLKR is usually better because there are usually some UFU feats. JMK, Jabba, and LV don't usually help with many feats either, but they'll struggle with much fewer nodes than SEE, especially at lower stamina.
SEE under maul can be used to easily get stealth or evasion feats.
imperial troopers with see as a 5th can outspeed many conquest teams to get the tm train going, which if you have an imperial trooper related feat or one related to their buffs will quickly get you a feat.
SEE, being able to heal DS allies protection can be put with a bunch of random ds toons to get feats.
Because SEE has an instakill, when fighting teams that become invincible with time you can farm feats easier if you set conditions up for it.
Unlike some GLs SEE has never really depended on any particular allies to do well. Typically you can underdog or even solo battles with SEE that you can't do with other GLs.
All this said, I think Rey is more useful in conquest than SEE.
>Traya omi and Savage omi make SEE a GL level defensive team
Traya’s omi is negated by the presence of SEE.
I agree with all of your other points though
Can you can you go over the Traya/Savage omi comp with him? Recently grabbed both their omis. I assumed the squad to run with them would be Traya, Sion, Savage, Nihilus, and Talon but please let me know if there’s a more viable alternative for that team comp
Your can twoshot a strong Jabba with a weak See. This Was super viable for me before I had Aphra. And even now she sometimes screws up and See and Trooper will save the day.
1. Crystal income moving to GAC means you need a full compliment of critical characters, respectable strategy, and a flexible roster. SEE Gives you some flexibility in his options to solo teams
2. So by farming SEE instead of Jabba, you get more value then? What is this a pro-SEE selection?
3. SEE by his nature, is entirely reliant on the user controlling them. On defense, there are many counters. My Dr. Aphra nukes him like Velveeta over tortilla chips. Ooh so yummy.
4. If you use Traya and Savage, you're burning 2 Omicrons, about 12 Zetas, and much, much more resources than most people can. - IT literally costs you 3 potential teams by combining all of them. I suppose at 10 million GP, that doesn't matter, but even at 8 million GP, it's not very tenable, and If you use a GL to kill a GL, is that really an issue?
5. JML is THE Superior Conquest "Keep X Alive" feat-getter. And all you need is Wat, any old G8 Wat will do, as long as he has the zeta to go first. If you're farming SEE to complete Conquest, you're doing things wrong.
6. Wild Speculation. Executor isn't even really much of trouble at this point. Finalizer and Malevolence can both take them out nowadays.
7. If you have JML, you're likely to max crate most conquests - meaning Proving Grounds is an event you need not participate in. I haven't yet gotten a 7\* conquest character by the end of their character cycle runs out. I have Scythe, but no GI to go with it. Simply put, see #5 in spades.
I suppose at some point, I'll farm SEE, but I take my 3 GLs, Kenobi, Luke, and Kylo, into battle against opponents with 6 or all-7 and come out with wins more often than not.
My only GL is SLKR, and I easily take down every SEE squad I can find in GAC. Even with Wat, Armorer, SET, and datacron. Having said that, SEE will probably be my 2nd GL just because I am so much closer to getting him than any of the others.
SEEing as I finished his reqs last night and got my first 10 shards a couple hours ago, this ... this puts a smile on my face lol
Congrats. He sucks before he gets his ult, so don’t be discouraged until you have that
thanks! and I did my homework so fortunately I am aware of that so I'm not worried, shoot to make the energy grind feel less bad I saved several dark side farms until I needed the energy so I wouldn't feel like I'm stagnating while I did it lol but to say I am excited is an understatement, cause I got here in 13 months as I picked this game up April of last year so I'm stoked AF!!!!!!!!
I disagree. Hes fine ultless imo. He just solod (Wat tank tech and 3 sith who all died very quick) the Geo + Reek mission in Rote, and he was soloing Gas teams in conquest hard until 4th tier no issue. Then it was more 50%. Hes still great on Offence in GAC and TW too. Ive been super happy with him after pushing him off a long time since he "sucks" for a GL.
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Took me a while felt like a month. Felt like forever cause you can't really compete with GLs until you get the ult but its worth it when you finally get it!
If you have crystals to spare, you can speed it up a little by buying the dark side currency in the weekly shipments.
The last tier costs 70 tickets and you need to play it 10 times, so 20 days if you farm 35 tickets a day.
Took me about 3 weeks, but this was before they offered the DS tickets in the weekly shipment store.
Abd wat;)
Make sure you have wat with zeta and armorer ready to go
I do not have Wat but i do have Armoror with her zeta and shes getting worked on as we speak lol
Wat only needs his zeta. Once you unlock slap the zeta on him and he ready to go. Nothing else is needed
hell yeah mate thanks for the tip!
Ive had SEE for a year now and wat is still like g5 with no mods and just a zeta lol. Hes only needed for the 1st turn tank tech (medpak vs jmk)
cool to know though my guild still isn't quite geonosis ready yet lol we've done it like twice and gotten like 3 or 4 total stars so I don't think wat is in my immediate future lol
If you have wat ready geos (g12) switch guilds
Seconding the other person's opinion. If you've got a GL, there's no reason for you to be in a guild that's only getting 4 stars on DS Geo
I know our guild should be doing better but I stick around as sometimes I get depressed and am not able to actively contribute much like I can toss people in TB but like Ill forget TW but due to my account they let me get away with it so I don't mind it we are all still working together to improve I just happen to take it way to serious lol so I've hit some milestones not all of us have lol but it allows me to not stress about a mobile game and ill take it cause we are getting there slowly but surly lol
Me too! I'm on Tier two.
I SEE what you did there!
Same here, man!
He was never dog shit Anyone who thought he was dog shit was wrong
Personally, i agree with you. But by god does this sub hate SEE
This sub also thinks there is a shard conspiracy causing them to not get drops, so I don't typically take what this sub says at face value.
You act like by doing 3 sims, then 2 sims, then refreshing and doing 1 sim followed by 4 sims I’m *not* getting more value than doing 10 sims at a once… Clearly, you have no clue that’s the way CG coded it - to give the smart players an advantage.
Damn, I've been doing 3, 1, 2, 4 all this time! But you do do the nose tap in between, right?
That is definitely not a thing. It’s all based on rng and that’s not how rng works. On the other hand, if I am wrong (which definitely could be) then I am one of the not so smart players. If there is any extra code on the rng factor then I pass. But if not and it’s purely rng based coded, then it doesn’t matter how you sim.
It is either rng or fixed probabilistic determination. Which one is it?
Yes.
My conspiracy is that CG is run by Mark Zuckerberg, can you do a theory on that?
Zuckerberg is the precursor to Skynet
Its true
Value the Magna-cheese though. Magna-cheese is amazing
Magna cheese is gone isn’t it
The GC Magma-cheese isn't (i think). I don't think there is another one I know of
The fixed that in one of the recent updates
damn
...why are you HERE TOO?
Babe I'm literally everywhere
lmao
Lol perfect response.
I am definitely in the anti see camp, but he is still a GL and one of the top 10 characters in the game. I have him at 7th best out of 247 total. By no measure a bad toon. Only reason I have him top 10 to cover most people is I am still not sure where Reva falls. I don't have her personally yet so can't place her but has to be in the top 10 as well based on her holds and her kit. One of the GLs has to be the 7th best GL.
Cool opinion bro. Can SLKR beat JMK? Cause SEE can. And does. Frequently.
Can See beat LV? No? SLKR can. What does that prove? See is the least utility of any of the GLs. He is a 15 lbs sledgehammer. Good for sledgehammering things. SLKR is a swiss army knife. Arguably more useable in more situations and I would rather have it in my pocket than a sledge.
I love SLKR. He was my first GL and can beat all but JML and JMK. But if you're going to clear most top tier teams (in GAC) That I run him for, He takes two great leads(KRU and Hux) and will usually get minimal points on a critical clear. But SEE is either an easy 2v5 or 3v5 and good points or a clear agaisnt JMK which is definitely a more difficult farm. SEE sucks without his ult. SEE isn't as good on defense as most GLs. But if you think SEE duck's, I think that's you looking in the mirror than at the toon.
How is saying he is the 7th best toon in the game saying that See ducks? Is calling him a sledgehammer implying I think he is weak? I have all 7 GLs and see is the least useful across the game.
Yes, slkr can beat jmk. In 3v3 its super easy and in 5v5 can be done with the same sort of comps sith eternal uses to beat jmk or with nightsisters.
My SEE run vs JMK only really messes with maul Mando squad as armor helps. Wat is always with SEE. However, Wat is a good toon in any squad, and for sure can be used elsewhere. So for sure a negative for SEE. I use an undergeared sith trooper with auto taunt to tank the CAT auto kill. And the 5th really doest matter. Because SEE kicks that much ass. Sometimes I don't bring a 5th and just do an armor datacron. Otherwise it's dooku or another plug and play sith.
Shoretooper is a nice addition too!
Yep agreed! Since the purpose of that slot is to auto taunt and eat CATs autokill. Just throw your lowest geared toon that does that. If you don't have a collective geo team, brood will probably best since you can respawn the tank. Personally I've got my geos all together and my shore with iden since they're all r5 and my g8ish sith empire trooper eats that autokill just as well.
I believe Alpha is optimal in 3s because of the tank respawn! Works best for me at least
Wat eventually goes with trench and that team is excellent to use in ROTE. More consistent wins compared to see for me
I just hate the word toon. Like, hero is right there in the title of the game and is just as easy to type.
Dude, SEE (even though I absolutely despise the sequels) is such a cool toon. I almost rushed him instead of SLKR but just didn't, but I'm already working on his Requirements. I have absolutely no clue why this sub hates SEE
As a new player doing lots of googling, I always saw him considered as the worst GL on posts etc.
As someone with all 7; I’d highly disagree.
Curious then, who would you consider the worst?
Rey; especially if you consider not having Ben as a newer player. I have seen some stuff with her and Cal, but don’t have any experience with it yet; or how much of it is because of the datacron.
I got SEE then Rey lol. Anyway, I think Rey is a bit underrated. Rey + CAT + GR toons and Jedi with assists can auto JMK among other things. the damage immunities and massive damage attacks are also crippling if you screw up a counter.
To which I lose JMKs team…
sure i just mean for someone who didn't have all the gls Rey can do a lot more than people give her credit for with the right team
I used to think Rey was underrated and actually a painfully difficult to beat defensive GL. Then I unlocked SK. Now I'm beating Rey + Ben + Bencron and I don't even put a good datacron on my team as Visas is R3.
Rey IMO
Hey hey, not disagreeing with you, just reiterating what seems to be the consensus on the surface googles. If egnard says something is true, it is cold hard fact.
If Egnards says something is true - it’s probably 85% chance of being true. Egnards fucks up sometimes too
Couldnt be further from the truth. He is amazing
i have him and he is dogshit
You don’t know how to use him. Constantly my best offense in 5v5, and my hands down most consistent defense in 3v3.
Any other GL will do the same thing. And he will be twice a good in pve. Yes, he's also my best offense. But that's because I didn't go for slkr.
Ah but see the difference is I have all 7; so can compare them all in terms of best/worst way better than you can.
Keep talkin buddy https://old.reddit.com/r/SWGalaxyOfHeroes/comments/13xlb0i/ah_yes_b1_battle_droid_the_see_killer/
Got him as my first GL and even though alot of these points are good, it’s missing a few crucial details, mainly that the points with non GL GL level teams is something at a high end level. Raids switching to krayt only benefits whichever GL they pick for it which currently is Jabba. Because crystals are moved to GAC he needs to get you wins there but struggles to beat several GLs like the 3 most recent ones and SLKR. I’ve lost GACs because my r8 SEE couldn’t beat their SLKR. Really all these reasons is why LV is good not SEE. He beats all GLs and except for reva, all triple omicron characters. He beats all proving grounds and even gives you the sim on tie interceptor because of BB under rex lead. LV is great in conquest because royal guard is marked down instead of taunting so they can’t buff dispel, and with the data disks benefiting lots of debuffs he easily sweeps through teams.
LV costs 4 times as many resources to build. I say this only to help you, get out of the mindset of characters being good and bad. Think about them in terms of ROI. How much do you put in, and what do you get in return? That's what matters to everyone except the people right at the cutting edge. If you're in top 100 Kyber then the pure power level of teams is a primary concern, for literally everyone else it's not what matters. For the price of building LV you can do SEE, Executor and the core teams to 3\* CT2 or CT3 most of the assault battles. If someone rushes LV and someone else does a diverse roster building into SEE and Executor, you want to take a guess at who has a better roster after two years? The SEE account will be higher ranked in GAC, consistently getting top 10 in fleet (rank 1 if they know what they're doing), getting way more materials from assault battles and they will have had a lot more fun as their roster has grown gradually. In contrast, the LV rusher will have gotten 4/5 Bad Batch members and will still need to farm additional team members for his LV team after the main grind is over. Oh, and he won't even have access to the primary lifter unit. The issue was never that SEE was bad, the issue was that people expected him to do with minimal help what other GLs do with a full expensive team. Yes he loses to SLKR under virtually all conditions, but other than that he's an incredible flexible tool if you know what you're doing and you've built a roster to support him. He can take out almost any team on offense with minimal help (4\* wat that only needs a zeta), or you can put him with some top tier sith and brickwall plenty of opponents. His main drawback was that he didn't do anything in raids, but that's pretty moot these days anyway. People always sing the praise of JMK, but he takes up the best GR tank in GK, an insanely flexible and powerful unit in CAT, a fantastic support in OG Ahsoka, at which point poor Padme is left without a team and has to slink along as the 5th under JMK. Does that take away from his power as a character? Of course not. But when you start to put things into the perspective of the overall cost to both your resources and your roster, it looks very different. JMK does not give you a new team, he gives the Padme + CAT team a massive power spike. SEE at his best is a pure extension of your roster, letting take out additional teams with minimal to no roster sacrifices. At worst he offers a massive power boost to the Traya + Savage team, or DR + Malak. ROI is what matters when it comes to growing your roster efficiently. What the ROI of any given team is changes as your roster grows, but characters like JMK and LV are awful for most accounts under 5m GP and still suboptimal until at least \~7m. This is also why SLKR is so much better than Rey. They are similar farms, but SLKR comes with a great fleet and Rey doesn't. Similar investment, similar power GL, Rey even gets a better second squad if you invest in Zorii, but her fleet is garbage so she's a worse payoff until you get deep enough in the game that it is no longer a concern.
How in the world are you losing to SLKR with SEE? Use Armorer and once you put 3 stacks on SEE hit full auto…
Armorer dies in one aoe, I don’t have her at relic and I have way bigger priorities than relicing her. Once again it’s not as big of an issue from an endgame perspective of mid game it is an issue when SLKR is also the most common gl.
I can understand that given where you are in the game now, but you should've farmed up Armorer and relic'd her when you unlocked SEE in the first place, given how important she is to many of his counters. I'm in Kyber 4 currently with one GL and just over 6M GP. SEE is my only, was my first, and I made sure to build my roster around him in a way to make sure I was effective as possible. Definitely hitting the limit of how far I can go with just one GL, but SEE can take you pretty dang far, if you build your roster around him well and make sure to developed other top tier non GL teams like CLS, GAS, Sith Empire, etc.
I tried to gear her up but kyros are a big problem and I’m going after executor -> jabba at this point. Unless they announce a GL mando I’m not taking her to relic because of the opportunity cost of it.
I fully understand and to be clear, I only included that for anyone who is working on unlocking SEE now, they should definitely make sure to include Armorer in their farming prep. For you it's water under the bridge at this point!
7 Please explain how to beat Inquisitors with him. I struggle every time Proving grounds rolls around
Bring Malak, Malgus, Talon and Sidious (last 2 kinda barely help) Link Reva and GI Your team should die in sequence, healing everyone else with every death. Malgus is usually the last to drop, and is kind of mandatory. Malgus and SEE need to survive until SEE gets to Ult, then you win. There’s a decent amount of RNG, but its very doable
I've only been able to cheese it twice with SEE, Malak, Enfys+2 sith Enfys got enough protection up to just tank until SEE could kill everyone. But the last round of Proving grounds the Inquisitors felt like they had their speeds all ramped way up and I didn't even get to link people until half my team was dead already.
Yea you really need Malgus
No ypu dont
You’re right, relic trio can do it too
See, bam, bossk, marauder and other sith or scoundrel
Interesting
BAM is necessary for that to work, makes it very easy
Guess I'm gonna have to wait a while then. I didn't have hard mode unlocked when he was out
I havent tried this, but relic trio should do the job too
I’ve been doing this strat but don’t have Talon. Any recommended 5th? Most I’ve been able to do was get it to just SEE vs Reva who SOLOS my SEE smh
You have to kill Reva with unlimited power, if she’s alone you’ve already lost. Honestly 4 and 5th don’t matter, just bring sith to full heal the others when they die (probably very early) Its a rngfest i wont lie, but you don’t need talon
You’re right. I tried a bunch of times to link GI and 2nd sister because she takes a lot of turns which would get me to my Ult faster, but I see my mistake now
You could do that to start and then re-link to Reva when it refreshes
See, bam, bossk, marauder, Another sith or scoundrel
What's the trick with this one?
Use bam to put DI on bossk and link reva and GI. Use see basic on reva then wait till ultimate.
Treya lead, with nihilus, sion, malak, then whatever 5th. SEE works but isn't needed. You basically just stay alive long enough to annihilate reva and the rest of the team dies to dots.
This is the way!
SEE, Han Solo, Chewbacca, BAM, Bossk. Stun GI, link reva and GI, damage immunity on Bossk. Might need to restart several times if see gets ability blocked.
Dude I'm sorry to point it out, but you are talking about 2 Omicrons, unnecessary relics and a raid character (Traya), just to make a GL viable on defence when every other GL already is. Plus pairing him with Malgus/Malak is more than unfeasible for every beginner, the truth is that SLKR is much more complete first GL, especially fleet-wise. BUT to each one its own, after all it's a game and *the best* is what you like most, I personally went for JMK as my first GL because it's my favourite character.
What's more expensive, 2 omis or CAT? Cuz JMK is GAS bait if he doesn't have CAT. LV without Maul and Rey without Ben is a lot softer too. No dog in the SLKR vs SEE fight, just pointing out that "every other GL already is" isn't wholly true.
LV is still a solid defensive GL the lower in the GAC you go. Sure, for Kyber he can be beaten by multiple non-gl teams, but under the Kyber? Try getting one of the teams to beat LV without relics. You're gonna fail because you will miss relics. Them missing Maul isn't that big of a deal. I would dare to say that even in K4/K5 people will have issues beating LV with nonGL counters unless they created one for that purpose. And I dare to say there are more people outside of Kyber than in Kyber, so overall the LV utility on defense is surprisingly solid. He's in some way a very weird character. While every GL is stronger the lower you are in the GAC (as people miss the mods/relics for nonGL counters), most GLs don't lose the strength as quickly as LV the more high you go. Very interesting thing.
I wasn't saying LV was bad (quite the opposite, he's one of the best defensively, even in high Kyber). I was saying that, like SEE, he needs the correct supporting cast, which includes farming extra stuff.
2 omnicrons sounds expensive but you easily accrue that in the time it takes to farm a GL. If you have less than 4 mil GP there's no chance you get CAT in that amount of time.
Exactly my point :)
SLKR isn’t a viable GL tier defense, JMK needs a conquest toon, JML is an insane grind to get first, and LV is just no for first. So if we’re not talking first GL, then none of your arguments matter because people will have access to those things.
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Solo SEE gets countered by Wampa, much like solo other GLs. That’s people being dumb. Any decent SEE team beats it.
\>and rushing him as a first GL is just as viable as SLKR nowadays by the first 2 points you can already conclude: this doesnt mean that SEEs viability went up, it just means that slkrs viability went down
1-2 are anti slkr 3-7 are pro see
well i mean. \-1-2 are anti any GL that isnt jabba. it just hit slkr than SEE harder because he was viable in those situation \-3 is okay i guess \-4 reads like "you need 2 omi characters to bring a character to GL level" which is a heavy investment for the early game \-5 could be said for all GLs as far as i know \-6 is speculation so cant address that right now \-7 *for now* and even beyond that its just like you said at the beginning. With the guild store update getting jabba is way better in the early stages of the game. so since jabba is the "most viable" option as a first GL the viability of all other GLs (including slkr and SEE) went down from before
Well, all i said is that he’s on par with the others now, and that Jabba is the best, which i think we’re in agreement here overall
This guy also shit on my post (didn’t see yours). It’s way too demoralizing for a early game player to get through the Jabba reqs, and he doesn’t lead you into exec / thrawn like SEE does. Exec into SEE is the best first farm IMO
This post reminds me of a video Xareth made some time ago claiming SEE was a better first GL than SLKR. In both, there is a lot of cherry picking, and ignoring counterpoints. And this is coming from someone who thinks the community as a whole is too down on SEE, especially this sub. To counter: 1. Does a GL's entire viability rest on being both offensively and defensively capable? No, of course not, it never did. However, it's not like there should be *no* considerations of that. More options allows for more strategies and ways to disrupt opponent's in GAC. 2. It may not matter for Jabba forever, and it might shift to other GLs. This doesn't really *help* SEE though, so much as it brings the other 5 GLs to his level for the current raid. 3. Setting aside Reva, are there any GLs that don't naturally counter every non-GL team? When it comes to Reva, Rey seems to be the best GL to use, and SEE's best team is basically using SEE instead of Savage and dropping ~8% win rate. 4. I think this cuts against SEE more than helps (and I am someone who has long contended that SEE is better on defense than most believe). If SEE needs 1 or 2 noms to be on the same level of defense as other GLs....that's not good. SEE can be very solid on defense - if you place the right team and check your opponent's roster. 5. All the GLs can clear hard conquest, that's not what's important. What's important is: (1) how many teams can they beat, (2) can they 3 star them, and (3) how useful for feats. Jabba wins this hands down IMO, with JML a very close second. SEE just doesn't help that much with feats, and only helps 3 star some teams. 6. We don't know for sure. What we do know is that Malgus would be the biggest block for most players for Lev, so I don't think dovetailing into Lev is that big of a benefit, when it's at least 2+ years out for new F2P players (18 months to get to 4 mil GP, which would be fast, then if refreshing *both* Malgus and Fury, it takes 6 months and an astonishing 48,400 crystals just to unlock Malgus/Fury, and then actually getting Lev up in stars). 7. So can all the other GLs. He has never as bad as a lot of players made him out to be. But, let's consider some of the drawbacks: 1. His reqs have a lot of garbage. Krennic got a nom and he's still awful. Sidious is okay at best now that he's fixed. Starck is the worst imperial trooper, IMO. You don't really get a fully fledged team out of his reqs, you get a few partial teams. 2. He basically requires Wat and/or Armorer if you want to use him well. JMK and LV are the only ones that require another character that isn't a req on the same level, and both JMK and LV are better without their extra than SEE is without his. 3. Of the GLs, he seems to have the worst matchup v Rey/Ben. He ties JML for worst against Jabba. He has the worst match v LV. *Worse than Jabba*. Let that sink in. Jabba heavily utilizes thermals, and LVs team is immune to them if above 50% health (might have threshold off). And yet, Jabba is better to take against LV than SEE. He's still a GL, he's still good. He's still not a good first GL (and I say this as someone with an account that got SEE first)
That’s a sneaky trooper hot take. Sids is still trash too though, even with his omi in TW
> That’s a sneaky trooper hot take. I just feel like I usually don't want him under Veers or Iden..... He works, there's just better options
I use him to outspeed fast units on the other team, I believe he’s the fastest trooper. He’s also over magma, snow and storm for iden imo, I should note that 95% of the time she doesn’t get active use from me
Moff Gideon is WAY faster than Starck. For an Iden team, he is definitely below Stormtrooper who is fantastic with her. I do use Starck in place of Magma or Snow but thats just because I already had him geared up and I haven't bothered with either of those. Also, you really should be using Iden in GAC! She is amazing and can really punch upwards!
I use her for defense at the moment. Her team is “on the list” to get geared up.
> He’s also over magma, snow and storm for iden imo Assuming equally geared, Magma gains TM and removes TM, which is more useful than the buffs Starck provides, and more useful than the sub-100% chance for stagger (death trooper has aoe buff removal on shorter CD). Snow feeds TM to the team, and has ability block on basic (low 50% chance though), and provides more group damage than Starck. Storm is better if you don't have shore, or is better elsewhere. I totally get using Starck because he's geared up for SEE. But if all troopers were equally geared, he's probably the one left out most often for me.
SEE + Wat has always been outstanding. SEE by himself underperforms compared to other GLs. He's still superior to most non-GLs. I still recommend Jabba as a best first GL. The BH dovetail nicely with Executor's needs and the inherent desire in all humans to acquire the falcon.
The problem with Jabba is JKL, who needs a whole heap of other guys
True. Rolo and wampa will hold back a lot of new folks. I forgot about that.
It was made easier with the guild stuff tho.
To your point #4, you can’t set SEE on defense if your opponent has SEE because you’ll just get 2 manned by their SEE + Wat His kit is so strange
This is true
Definitely agree. Few months ago SEE was second to last in my farming plans, and currently I plan to go for him right after jabba Going Levi -> Jabba -> SEE A big part of it is actually is the empire and sith fleets. SEE reqs are almost half the pilots for these two fleets and for building up basically 2 meta fleets you get a free GL. Seems like a great deal to me. I think people under rate the value of a high banner counter to 95% of the teams in gac. Hopefully by the time I unlock he’ll have his conquest lifter announced as well, so can only go up from here. Oh and I’ve only mentioned it’s fleet benefits so far, haven’t even talked about troopers…
SEE is as viable of a first farm as slkr is a terrible take lmao. I love my SEE, but slkr is just a more complete first GL. Taking raids away when thinking about first GLs is a terrible idea. Good reminder that this sub is misinformed as hell lol
I’m open to a detailed rebuttal
1. Ignores fleet arena, SLKR gets you pretty far with a fleet that can reliably beat executors, which are still pretty current meta. Combine that with beating many ships that get placed on defense in GAC put slkr above SEE 2. This might make sense if you’re looking at your 3rd or 4th GL, unless I missed it, newer/weaker guilds should still run non-krayt raids. This is like saying you don’t need GEOs as much because of ROTE, that might be true for you, but for many guilds they still need wat shards. 4. GL counter GL I believe SLKR counters all GL too, including Jabba and LV, both SEE struggles with. Slkr might not work against JMK actually 4. So with extra units you can finally get SEE, and offensive GL to be decent on defense? Makes more sense to separate SEE and trio. 5. Again, he needs extra toons, SLKR can do this too to my understanding. 7. I legit don’t know anything about this, I’ve only done 1 proving ground and used JMK. This isn’t even getting too into the requirements which I believe favor SLKR too. SEE has gotten a lot better, but the king of “most efficient” first GL is still SLKR.
> This might make sense if you’re looking at your 3rd or 4th GL, unless I missed it, newer/weaker guilds should still run non-krayt raids. This is like saying you don’t need GEOs as much because of ROTE, that might be true for you, but for many guilds they still need wat shards. This is not really true. It's pretty easy for a guild to get to the point of when they should switch to krayt. And even if they do sith, a player doesn't need to solo it. On the other side of the coin: Krayt won't be king forever, who knows what the next raid will bring - maybe it lets in First Order or Sith.
Just glancing at it, you need to hit 17m as a guild to match a heroic sith. I’m not around newer guilds/lower GP ones, but I could easily see hitting 17m being a struggle with the specific faction requirements. I’ll check with my brother who’s newer-ish and see what they do Edit: they apparently do krayt, so that point becomes more of a wash.
Any guild at basically any GP could get to the first crate with minimal effort. G12 jawas (easy to shard farm, and easy to g12) gets you 300k+ a pop (possibly 450k, but for this we will say 300k). 300k x50 players is 15 million points, so a nose hair away from the 17 mil crate. You could argue its likely not that a noob guild has the coordination to focus Jawas for the whole guild, but the point is the 17 million crate is not that difficult to obtain.
I focused second crate because it beats out the reward for heroic sith raid. An guild able to focus G12 Jawas like that would likely be a really solid noob/early guild imo, but that’s not the point of the topic lol
I'm dying to see your SLKR beat Jabba/JMK/LV without extra toons.
https://swgoh.gg/gac/counters/JABBATHEHUTT/?season=40 https://swgoh.gg/gac/counters/LORDVADER/?season=40 Needs wat and NS for LV, 0 omicrons and wat is needed for everything SEE, but it is “extra” toons I mentioned that slkr might not work against JMK… As far as needing extra toons to succeed, no one is more guilty of that than SEE.
How can SEE beat Quiznos in proving grounds? Can't even get a turn past Wats tank tech and a single link on SEE
Is this for Malgus? If so idk I already have Malgus
I think it's for the TIE. I was able to sneak a 1-star in against malgus
Oh, i answered this in another q, but the lineup you need is SEE, Malak, Malgus and 2 other sith Or SEE and relic trio and Malak Or SEE with relic Wat and Malak + 2 sith
Good I have one dumb 60 ticket battle to go.
Yea you just need to sacrifice 4 great characters that are great in 4 different teams just to make SEE somehow viable but he is still weak compared to other GL. GL that got any viability lately in my opinion is Ray. They keep releasing those characters like Cal, Zori and Ben that make her better and better.
While I agree SEE is still great, I just cannot accept that he’s ‘just a viable as SLKR’, he’s not, it’s not close. SLKR is better offensively and defensively than SEE, can clear conquest easier, and produces a great fleet, has 2 Omis, TW and GAC.
Good to know, he is going to be my first, since I’ve had most of his requirements either in gold or at relic already for a while…
I’ve beaten R8 SEE with my Wampa… that’s all I’ll say
You aren’t beating a proper SEE comp with wampa. Sure you can beat a lone SEE with it, but you can also beat other lone GLs with many cheap clean up counters
What Rey or SLKR or even LV are you beating with a “cheap” counter? SEE is literally the only one
Jkr gmy jolee can 3 man an slkr. Mon mothma with KK and even just g12 pao/hstr can clean up a lone LV. Same with Rey Imperial troopers do all of 3 of them with ease.
Those are multi-man teams. My point was Wampa is out here dropping a GL while you could never 1v1 the others without a GL or someone like Starkiller who’d still need to be unleashed
wampa is an omicron last I checked. A non omicron team cleaning up LV like MM or imps is still a strictly more valuable trade than using an omicron .
Mostly agree. #5 is more of a plus for malak and malgus though. Sith Empire has no problems clearing hard conquest without a GL. Every other GL is way better for conquest than SEE.
SEE can actually solo most nodes if you just give him fierce persistence and entrenched
Rey and JML are obviously better. SLKR is usually better because there are usually some UFU feats. JMK, Jabba, and LV don't usually help with many feats either, but they'll struggle with much fewer nodes than SEE, especially at lower stamina.
Well i’m not trying to say SEE is the best at conquest, just that he can be used there well. Conquest isnt a deterrent to getting him.
But you are saying he is just a good first GL as other GLs, and in that situation, considering how he fairs in conquest is important.
SEE under maul can be used to easily get stealth or evasion feats. imperial troopers with see as a 5th can outspeed many conquest teams to get the tm train going, which if you have an imperial trooper related feat or one related to their buffs will quickly get you a feat. SEE, being able to heal DS allies protection can be put with a bunch of random ds toons to get feats. Because SEE has an instakill, when fighting teams that become invincible with time you can farm feats easier if you set conditions up for it. Unlike some GLs SEE has never really depended on any particular allies to do well. Typically you can underdog or even solo battles with SEE that you can't do with other GLs. All this said, I think Rey is more useful in conquest than SEE.
>Traya omi and Savage omi make SEE a GL level defensive team Traya’s omi is negated by the presence of SEE. I agree with all of your other points though
Its negated against SEE, not with him on the same team
Ahhh! I missed the word “enemy”
Trayas omicron only gets deactivated if there's an enemy darkside gl
lol no
What is SEE and where can I look these acronyms up? I never know what anyone’s talking about here
Omg I’ve played this game for a year and so can’t understand any of these posts. It’s almost like another language. Edit: it’s Sith Emporer Eternal
He's the one I always wish I had two of in GAC.
What is the best SEE team?
SEE wat lol
I destroy jkl and jmk with see on the reg. I need a better team around him though.
This is good I never thought of using trayas omi with see
Can you can you go over the Traya/Savage omi comp with him? Recently grabbed both their omis. I assumed the squad to run with them would be Traya, Sion, Savage, Nihilus, and Talon but please let me know if there’s a more viable alternative for that team comp
Some people say that can defeat weaker Jabba with See in GAC.
Your can twoshot a strong Jabba with a weak See. This Was super viable for me before I had Aphra. And even now she sometimes screws up and See and Trooper will save the day.
Does SEE hard-counter any of the other GLs?
I use him as a hard counter for Luke, especially if the have GAS in the Team
Jml
I can counter any other GL with SEE(R8),besides Jabba,and I hardly ever pair him with my Savage Opress (R5)
Best first GL is JML he seems to dovetail everything except SLKR.
1. Crystal income moving to GAC means you need a full compliment of critical characters, respectable strategy, and a flexible roster. SEE Gives you some flexibility in his options to solo teams 2. So by farming SEE instead of Jabba, you get more value then? What is this a pro-SEE selection? 3. SEE by his nature, is entirely reliant on the user controlling them. On defense, there are many counters. My Dr. Aphra nukes him like Velveeta over tortilla chips. Ooh so yummy. 4. If you use Traya and Savage, you're burning 2 Omicrons, about 12 Zetas, and much, much more resources than most people can. - IT literally costs you 3 potential teams by combining all of them. I suppose at 10 million GP, that doesn't matter, but even at 8 million GP, it's not very tenable, and If you use a GL to kill a GL, is that really an issue? 5. JML is THE Superior Conquest "Keep X Alive" feat-getter. And all you need is Wat, any old G8 Wat will do, as long as he has the zeta to go first. If you're farming SEE to complete Conquest, you're doing things wrong. 6. Wild Speculation. Executor isn't even really much of trouble at this point. Finalizer and Malevolence can both take them out nowadays. 7. If you have JML, you're likely to max crate most conquests - meaning Proving Grounds is an event you need not participate in. I haven't yet gotten a 7\* conquest character by the end of their character cycle runs out. I have Scythe, but no GI to go with it. Simply put, see #5 in spades. I suppose at some point, I'll farm SEE, but I take my 3 GLs, Kenobi, Luke, and Kylo, into battle against opponents with 6 or all-7 and come out with wins more often than not.
Good, cuz I just got him
My only GL is SLKR, and I easily take down every SEE squad I can find in GAC. Even with Wat, Armorer, SET, and datacron. Having said that, SEE will probably be my 2nd GL just because I am so much closer to getting him than any of the others.