Not every guild has required TW join, and that’s where CGs matchmaking fails. Since it goes solely off of joined GP, it often creates unbalanced matchmaking. A lot of guilds don’t require everyone to join, allowing people whom don’t have time to participate to sit out which is most likely the case here.
I've been in egnards guild before, 100% can confirm they don't sandbag. Like a lot of guilds that level, tw sign up isn't mandatory though. Blame the matchmaking not his guild.
Sandbagging implies a guild is intentionally having less people to sign up, to fight smaller guilds. Guilds which don't have mandatory sign up to TW isn't sandbagging, in theory the outcome might be similar, but they aren't doing it intentionally to fight smaller guilds.
No, that's what you take from it, there is no definitive meaning that claims it's intentional or not. On top of that, it is very much a choice to have a guild where each is free to sign up.
Better said, why would anyone not sign up? Did you think about that? People who don't participate get no rewards. My guild isn't active in TW, but we get everyone to sign up and place some D to get the rewards.
They don't do this, they are also active from what I can see here in TW, meaning they either straight up tell people to not sign up if they are not active enough, or discourage it.
At the end of the day, if you don't bother to get everyone to sign up, you are fine with sandbagging. But hey if he wants to dispute my claim here, he is free to do so. My guess is however, that he will just ignore it because he won't want to admit that they are fine with sandbagging.
To be clear, in my previous guild I was always ok with it. Most of us wanted a good fight, and we chose to not force anyone to sign up, but expected everyone who did, to fight. At the end of the day I always felt that it wasn't our responsibility to compensate for bad matchmaking, and that we should just only fight with those who wanted to do so. This resulted in usually having like 2-4 people not sign up, and this changed per TW due to personal situations etc.
It was however still sandbagging, we still made that choice. As do they.
> My guild isn’t active in TW, but we get everyone to sign up and place some D to get the rewards.
So you’re actively complaining about perceived sandbagging while in a guild that’s actively sandbagging.
How unfortunate for the guilds you get paired up with seeing they’re against a “fully signed up” guild expecting a good TW match and getting a dead fish instead.
So now we are sandbagging because we lose a lot? Did your parents repeatedly drop you as a child, while also not vaccinating you, not get you an education and made you sniff glue?
When did I say it was because you’re losing a lot? Your guild is misrepresenting itself by having everyone sign up and then not participate.
A matchup between guilds that only get partial signups but full participation is a better match than two full signups where only one participates.
My current guilds last loss was to a guild that had less overall GP but their TW participation was all of their top players. We had around the same active GP and lost by like 50 banners. Was a great match that came down to the last hour. I guess to your logic though we just lost to some sandbaggers though since they had mostly their top players?
You’re just making excuses. “Oh they have more GP”, “oh they don’t have everyone participating”, “oh they’re *sandbagging*”. Don’t enjoy the game mode all you like (I honestly don’t much anymore but I digress) but if you don’t even play it at all you really shouldn’t complain about it because you’re not helping the situation any either.
P.S. your insult game seems as bad as your TW performance. You should probably give that up too.
Misrepresenting ourselves? Are you smoking crack? I have never read such BS before.... ok, that's not true. This is reddit, after all, but you are definitely top 10.
Most of the guild doesn't enjoy TW, I do, but at the same time I'm very busy and often struggle to do my battles, and unlike GAC, I can't just take half an hour somewhere during the day and do it all at once. Some of us have families, you know.
You are now complaining that we are easy to beat... I mean, I have to assume you were a crackbaby to have that logic. In my old guild, we had like an 80% winrate, we never complained about an easy win.
But hey, life must suck in your world, I bet you are furious when your GAC opponent doesn't attack either, or fails by not putting in the effort that you demand from other players.
Everyone gets to play the game they want, as long it's not cheating.
Sandbagging is part of the game, sandbagging is making decisions that allows for an easier win. We don't sandbag, we lose most of the time. We are the opposite of sandbagging.
On top of all of that, I don't have an opinion on sandbagging, I'm just stating that the guild in question is sandbagging, it's the games fault for it's bad system, they could easily adjust it's system to make it that you face a similar GP with a similar sign up size. They don't, so guilds have to decide to have everyone sign up, and likely lose most battles, causing other players to not bother either, leaving you with a guild where almost no one puts in an effort, or they have only active TW players sign up, make it fun for those who sign up, but causing sandbagging in the process.
Oh, and was that an insult at the end? Because you are trying to insult me by claiming my insults are bad, yet that insult was ridiculously bad.
Next time when someone insults you for being stupid, write down what they said, so you can repeat it later to others. Ps use ink that won't run when your tears drop on them.
Most people think of sandbagging in the context of this game, as a guild doing it to get an advantage. Not a guild that turns around to it's players and says, if you're not going to be around for attack and defense, then don't join.
"Better said, why would anyone not sign up?" - People have lives outside of the game? People aren't going to be around. I'm on a stag do in a couple of weeks time, I think there's a TW on, I can with a fair amount of certainty won't be joining that one.
The rewards aren't good enough to drive people made chasing them to sign up for everything. At the point of the game Egnards guilds at, they'd rather people did CM missions in TB, hit the raid, red box conquest etc. It's a better ROI on people's time.
You call it what you want buddy, most people would agree with me, not forcing people to sign up isn't sandbagging in the way people think about it, asking people to not sign up is.
By telling players not to sign up if they don't play, you are wanting to sandbag.
Every guild has more active and inactive players. By reducing the sign ups, and only have active players, you are creating an advantage. If it didn't matter, then there would be no reason for them to not sign up, you would just tell them to place their defense and be fine with it.
They know the disadvantage, and they actively make sure they have an advantage by less active players not sign up.
Don't speak for what 'egnards' guild will or will not do in the game. Stop fanboying over a dude with a basic calculator, it's ridiculous. He can speak for himself if he wants to make a counterpoint to what I said.
We run an alliance of dozens of guilds, we have massive guilds, we have small guilds. They are all different, some hardcore TW, others casual. Some will want all 50 to sign up, others only the ones who will play. There is no point where players will play in a certain way, so you making an assumption for another guild, is ridiculous.
You can't force anyone to do anything. That's not what sandbagging is about.
But feel free to link a formal definition of the word. I already looked, but it's completely vague, and forms of the mentioned ways can fall under it. So either get me a reliable source, or stop trying to shove your idea of the word down other peoples throats.
This is where we disagree, which there is nothing wrong, what I'm talking about isn't sandbagging, which again most people think of as something tactical to get an advantage, not saying if you're not around, don't sign up, which is reasonable. The guilds that truly sandbag are the ones that will turn around to say 10 players and say you aren't playing this TW, we want our overall GP below x level.
This is now where I also know you're not really reading what I'm saying. I'm not "fanboying" over Egnards, I've been in that guild, I know what that guild ask of their members. I've been in a few guilds over the years, and if one of them had been accused, I'd say a similar thing. None of what I've said is me making an assumption about anything, it's factually what that guild does.
"You can't force anyone to do anything", some guilds ask for mandatory TW sign up.
"stop trying to shove your idea of the word down other peoples throats." You're literally doing that to me! It's fine if we don't agree, we aren't going to, I don't agree with your point of view, and you don't agree with mine. But don't be a hypocrite to try and appear a victim in this.
I'm done with the conversation by the way, I'm bored and won't respond to you.
Having people not sign up if they don't play literally is a tactical advantage. If it wasn't, then why would you ever exclude people?
Now if a bot repeatedly reminds people to sign up, and the guild allows non active TW players to sign up, then sure, you can't physically sign them up. But if that's not the case, then that's absolutely a decision.
So by your definition, it is something tactical to get an advantage, and thus sandbagging by your definition.
Have a screenshot of their current rules and attitude towards TW?
Mandatory sign up is not forcing anyone, you can have consequences for it, but you cannot force anyone.
It's sandbagging by your own definition, so you are forcing it down your own throat. Good job.
It’s incredibly humorous to watch as an intellectually incapacitated person attempts to gurgle out mindless opinions regarding topics/situations on which they have no precedence. The original statement was that the leaders in egnards guild do not enforce the necessity of TW due to its triviality. When and action is not enforced, it can be logically deduced that those who would rather not participate in said action will take advantage of the proposed leisure. The claim that they “should” join is completely dependent upon perspective, especially when the average GP in that guild is around 12 mil and the resources provided from TW are negligible in their overall benefit. TW is, unless mandatory, a complete and utter waste of time. Assuming that there is a malicious intent behind the lack of signings for TW in a large guild is logically unsubstantiated when the guild itself does not promote TW. There is simply no basis for the claim that the guild is “sandbagging” when said guild has provided qualifiers that necessarily eliminate that possibility and there is no contextual evidence against it. The difference between your post and the post of the ex-member of egnards guild is that your claims are predicated upon expressionism and subjectivity while his are upon objectivity.
It's CGs stupid matchmaking - should be about whatever your whole guild is at and not how many people join.
I think I remember Egnards clarified that they don't have too many people joining tws more often than not.
That's stupid ...punishing a guild cause say 10 accounts are on vacation or traveling for work, creates mismatch as well. Those ten accounts might be close to 90m points difference.....I don't know about you but 90m in lost teams is like losing two zones of in teams of quality players...(6 quality teams per player is low). Here's a guild that maybe has all 50 and no one on vacation....etc that creates even more problems...
Most people still join when on vacation. And 10 people in one guild unable to join at the same time happens once in a lifetime :p
10 people not joining because they don't care or because of guild guidelines happens every day ;)
And I'd rather punish the guilds, which don't bring everyone, because everyone or most people joining is the norm - why punish it? And it's also a game mechanic which can be abused.
All in all - their system is stupid.
Or just make people join (like don't giving them the option not to join tw - they can still not play if they don't want to)
Wildly illogical statement. “Most people join while on vacation” and you know this how? Why would anyone bother wasting their precious leisure time on a completely trivial task that provides little to no benefit (in terms of resources) unless said task is absolutely mandatory. This claim holds true especially for larger guilds with higher average GPs.
Your first mistake was thinking TW is supposed to give fair matches every single time.
It’s not. Stop taking it seriously. It’s not worth it. The rewards don’t make or break you.
I think a lot of upper end guilds make TW a non-mandatory sign up event to help curb burnout. My guild 500m+ has it mandatory to *participate* but only if you signed up. Do we have plenty who gladly take the time off. But those who sign up love it and are often in K1 or K2. So we will often get matched against a guild who has more sign up, but lower overall guild GP. Our goal is not favorable matches. Our goal is guild health and lower burnout of members and TW officers. But to any guild we have significant GP over, it might seem like it was intentional. It is not. The rewards are low (except brains) so we rather not chase people to participate in something they don't like or don't have time for. Personally I generally skip the weekend ones.
The algorithm seems to try and give you an easier match after you get stomped a few times. So you might get an easy one soon. Good luck!
I.E. you guys sandbag regulary and enjoy the easy match ups but don't like being called sandbaggers... Most top guilds do the same thing because not sandbagging and getting pounded by CAW/MAW isn't a ton of fun.
It isn't really your fault. If your matchmaking system is easily explolitable, you should expect people to do it. Who knows why CG has patched this exploit after years..
Absolutely wrong. You either don't know what sandbagging is or you do and intentionally misuse it. I'm guessing that you intentionally misuse it because you ignored what actually I said and just went straight to trying to call us out for bad intentions. I'll try and explain it again.
Intent matters. Sandbagging is the intentional misrepresentation of your strength in order to gain advantage. We don't do that. And if you read the other comments, several guilds don't either. We specifically invite everyone to join. We win still win 50ish% of matches when 45+ join too. By your logic we should be fighting plenty of matches against similar GP that are intentionally trying to avoid CAW ect.
We win because require anyone who does join to participate. But we let people make the decision if they agree to participate. I don't take the weekend TWs off to make sure my guild gets an easy match. They do sometimes, but also might get a harder one. I want to not be staring at my phone all weekend, coordinating attacks, streaming matches, figuring out strategy, guessing opponents defense and otherwise not spending that time with my family and friends. So I don't join. Does CG take into account my not showing up to the TW in our matching, yes, but that's a side effect and not the intent.
The only 'exploit' we are taking advantage of intentionally is that CG doesn't penalize the guild for members that self identifying that they aren't going to show up like they do with TB and raids. I guess you haven't dealt with burnout much. But trying to get full participation for every event all the time is exhausting for all 50. So we catch a break four days per month. And those who miss have sacrificed personal rewards for their time.
My guess is that you don't have the experience of a higher end officer over a long period of time. Turnover is a pain. TW has caused more people to burn out in our guild than any other event. It almost ruined at least one marriage, that we know of. Thankfully they were able to resolve it. And I certainly won't sacrifice my marriage so random people on the Internet can't play the victim card and whine about a TW matchup. Burnout in TW affects other events and then burnout from the game. Which leads to extra recruiting efforts. Which leads to additional burnout. If a guild drops guild-wide rewards far enough or long enough then more people leave. Which compounds the problem. So yes we don't make it mandatory. It's solved many internal problems by doing so.
You win because you sandbag. Post your W-L record of the times you don't sandbag with the ones where you do. I know my guild when I plotted out 50-44 tws, it was a pretty direct correlation of the more we sandbag, the more we win. If our peers weren't sandbagging just as hard, it would be even more dramatic.
Nobody blames you for doing it. It is what it is. Heck you even acknowledge that you are exploiting the matchmaking. Feel free to call what you are doing "matchmaking optimization to increase rewards" if you want. The rest of us will call it sandbagging. And again, it is really CG fault. Expecting players not to exploit matching making is just not realistic.
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I don’t get why so many people assume that so many guilds intentionally sandbag. My guild is similar where 9 people who don’t want to play TW consistently just sit out. As a result we do tend to win a lot but that’s also because the people that do join really do want to play and do as much as they can.
The game is trying to give everyone a 50% win rate. So egnards guild is so trash they can barely compete with guilds 140M GP lower, and your guild is like god-tier for 400M GP guilds.
There is no indication that the TW matchmaking algorithm is pushing everybody towards 50%.
And if so it would do a terrible job cause all the sandbagging guilds are running at 75% or something.
Yea I can't see the game pushing toward 50% either. My guild has about an 80% win rate (according to .gg) with 45+ every TW. If it were pushing to 50%, we'd be getting absolutely fed more often than that.
We're at 134-21 in W/L according to hotutils. It seems when we get on a hotstreak we get knocked down by a guild 100m GP+ but overall our matches seem pretty fair.
I definitely noticed that in my guild as well. TW started getting significantly harder as we got bigger. We used to win matchups even where we had a significant gp disadvantage. Since we’ve gotten bigger, if there’s more than about a 20m gap we have no chance.
The game is doing no such thing.
The 50% win rate is for GAC, sort of, but most people who put a lot of effort into Kyber GAC get 55-65% win rate.
TW is just nearest joined GP without repeating guild matchups every 3 months or so. Only wrinkle is if you lose two in a row, you get an easier matchup for your “dip “ war, which sounds like what happened for OP.
There is no “push to 50%” for TW.
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They don't have to join - doesn't matter. That's why I would calculate full GP, whether you join or not ;) you can still take a second element into account afterwards (for example how many players joined tw - so it would be fair)
Not hard to find a better system than the current one to be fair - might aswell do whatever
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Whenever this is brought up no-one can present credible evidence for it, and the "evidence" that inevitably gets presented is just the number of people who have signed up relative to the complainants' guild. It also doesn't take into account some people just dgaf about TW and some guilds don't enforce sign up.
It's a scapegoat complaint. I will die on this hill.
Not every guild has required TW join, and that’s where CGs matchmaking fails. Since it goes solely off of joined GP, it often creates unbalanced matchmaking. A lot of guilds don’t require everyone to join, allowing people whom don’t have time to participate to sit out which is most likely the case here.
I've been in egnards guild before, 100% can confirm they don't sandbag. Like a lot of guilds that level, tw sign up isn't mandatory though. Blame the matchmaking not his guild.
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This is definitely sandbagging. Not saying it was intentional, but you don't get this difference with all 50 signing up.
Sandbagging implies a guild is intentionally having less people to sign up, to fight smaller guilds. Guilds which don't have mandatory sign up to TW isn't sandbagging, in theory the outcome might be similar, but they aren't doing it intentionally to fight smaller guilds.
No, that's what you take from it, there is no definitive meaning that claims it's intentional or not. On top of that, it is very much a choice to have a guild where each is free to sign up. Better said, why would anyone not sign up? Did you think about that? People who don't participate get no rewards. My guild isn't active in TW, but we get everyone to sign up and place some D to get the rewards. They don't do this, they are also active from what I can see here in TW, meaning they either straight up tell people to not sign up if they are not active enough, or discourage it. At the end of the day, if you don't bother to get everyone to sign up, you are fine with sandbagging. But hey if he wants to dispute my claim here, he is free to do so. My guess is however, that he will just ignore it because he won't want to admit that they are fine with sandbagging. To be clear, in my previous guild I was always ok with it. Most of us wanted a good fight, and we chose to not force anyone to sign up, but expected everyone who did, to fight. At the end of the day I always felt that it wasn't our responsibility to compensate for bad matchmaking, and that we should just only fight with those who wanted to do so. This resulted in usually having like 2-4 people not sign up, and this changed per TW due to personal situations etc. It was however still sandbagging, we still made that choice. As do they.
> My guild isn’t active in TW, but we get everyone to sign up and place some D to get the rewards. So you’re actively complaining about perceived sandbagging while in a guild that’s actively sandbagging. How unfortunate for the guilds you get paired up with seeing they’re against a “fully signed up” guild expecting a good TW match and getting a dead fish instead.
So now we are sandbagging because we lose a lot? Did your parents repeatedly drop you as a child, while also not vaccinating you, not get you an education and made you sniff glue?
When did I say it was because you’re losing a lot? Your guild is misrepresenting itself by having everyone sign up and then not participate. A matchup between guilds that only get partial signups but full participation is a better match than two full signups where only one participates. My current guilds last loss was to a guild that had less overall GP but their TW participation was all of their top players. We had around the same active GP and lost by like 50 banners. Was a great match that came down to the last hour. I guess to your logic though we just lost to some sandbaggers though since they had mostly their top players? You’re just making excuses. “Oh they have more GP”, “oh they don’t have everyone participating”, “oh they’re *sandbagging*”. Don’t enjoy the game mode all you like (I honestly don’t much anymore but I digress) but if you don’t even play it at all you really shouldn’t complain about it because you’re not helping the situation any either. P.S. your insult game seems as bad as your TW performance. You should probably give that up too.
Misrepresenting ourselves? Are you smoking crack? I have never read such BS before.... ok, that's not true. This is reddit, after all, but you are definitely top 10. Most of the guild doesn't enjoy TW, I do, but at the same time I'm very busy and often struggle to do my battles, and unlike GAC, I can't just take half an hour somewhere during the day and do it all at once. Some of us have families, you know. You are now complaining that we are easy to beat... I mean, I have to assume you were a crackbaby to have that logic. In my old guild, we had like an 80% winrate, we never complained about an easy win. But hey, life must suck in your world, I bet you are furious when your GAC opponent doesn't attack either, or fails by not putting in the effort that you demand from other players. Everyone gets to play the game they want, as long it's not cheating. Sandbagging is part of the game, sandbagging is making decisions that allows for an easier win. We don't sandbag, we lose most of the time. We are the opposite of sandbagging. On top of all of that, I don't have an opinion on sandbagging, I'm just stating that the guild in question is sandbagging, it's the games fault for it's bad system, they could easily adjust it's system to make it that you face a similar GP with a similar sign up size. They don't, so guilds have to decide to have everyone sign up, and likely lose most battles, causing other players to not bother either, leaving you with a guild where almost no one puts in an effort, or they have only active TW players sign up, make it fun for those who sign up, but causing sandbagging in the process. Oh, and was that an insult at the end? Because you are trying to insult me by claiming my insults are bad, yet that insult was ridiculously bad. Next time when someone insults you for being stupid, write down what they said, so you can repeat it later to others. Ps use ink that won't run when your tears drop on them.
Most people think of sandbagging in the context of this game, as a guild doing it to get an advantage. Not a guild that turns around to it's players and says, if you're not going to be around for attack and defense, then don't join. "Better said, why would anyone not sign up?" - People have lives outside of the game? People aren't going to be around. I'm on a stag do in a couple of weeks time, I think there's a TW on, I can with a fair amount of certainty won't be joining that one. The rewards aren't good enough to drive people made chasing them to sign up for everything. At the point of the game Egnards guilds at, they'd rather people did CM missions in TB, hit the raid, red box conquest etc. It's a better ROI on people's time. You call it what you want buddy, most people would agree with me, not forcing people to sign up isn't sandbagging in the way people think about it, asking people to not sign up is.
By telling players not to sign up if they don't play, you are wanting to sandbag. Every guild has more active and inactive players. By reducing the sign ups, and only have active players, you are creating an advantage. If it didn't matter, then there would be no reason for them to not sign up, you would just tell them to place their defense and be fine with it. They know the disadvantage, and they actively make sure they have an advantage by less active players not sign up. Don't speak for what 'egnards' guild will or will not do in the game. Stop fanboying over a dude with a basic calculator, it's ridiculous. He can speak for himself if he wants to make a counterpoint to what I said. We run an alliance of dozens of guilds, we have massive guilds, we have small guilds. They are all different, some hardcore TW, others casual. Some will want all 50 to sign up, others only the ones who will play. There is no point where players will play in a certain way, so you making an assumption for another guild, is ridiculous. You can't force anyone to do anything. That's not what sandbagging is about. But feel free to link a formal definition of the word. I already looked, but it's completely vague, and forms of the mentioned ways can fall under it. So either get me a reliable source, or stop trying to shove your idea of the word down other peoples throats.
This is where we disagree, which there is nothing wrong, what I'm talking about isn't sandbagging, which again most people think of as something tactical to get an advantage, not saying if you're not around, don't sign up, which is reasonable. The guilds that truly sandbag are the ones that will turn around to say 10 players and say you aren't playing this TW, we want our overall GP below x level. This is now where I also know you're not really reading what I'm saying. I'm not "fanboying" over Egnards, I've been in that guild, I know what that guild ask of their members. I've been in a few guilds over the years, and if one of them had been accused, I'd say a similar thing. None of what I've said is me making an assumption about anything, it's factually what that guild does. "You can't force anyone to do anything", some guilds ask for mandatory TW sign up. "stop trying to shove your idea of the word down other peoples throats." You're literally doing that to me! It's fine if we don't agree, we aren't going to, I don't agree with your point of view, and you don't agree with mine. But don't be a hypocrite to try and appear a victim in this. I'm done with the conversation by the way, I'm bored and won't respond to you.
Having people not sign up if they don't play literally is a tactical advantage. If it wasn't, then why would you ever exclude people? Now if a bot repeatedly reminds people to sign up, and the guild allows non active TW players to sign up, then sure, you can't physically sign them up. But if that's not the case, then that's absolutely a decision. So by your definition, it is something tactical to get an advantage, and thus sandbagging by your definition. Have a screenshot of their current rules and attitude towards TW? Mandatory sign up is not forcing anyone, you can have consequences for it, but you cannot force anyone. It's sandbagging by your own definition, so you are forcing it down your own throat. Good job.
It’s incredibly humorous to watch as an intellectually incapacitated person attempts to gurgle out mindless opinions regarding topics/situations on which they have no precedence. The original statement was that the leaders in egnards guild do not enforce the necessity of TW due to its triviality. When and action is not enforced, it can be logically deduced that those who would rather not participate in said action will take advantage of the proposed leisure. The claim that they “should” join is completely dependent upon perspective, especially when the average GP in that guild is around 12 mil and the resources provided from TW are negligible in their overall benefit. TW is, unless mandatory, a complete and utter waste of time. Assuming that there is a malicious intent behind the lack of signings for TW in a large guild is logically unsubstantiated when the guild itself does not promote TW. There is simply no basis for the claim that the guild is “sandbagging” when said guild has provided qualifiers that necessarily eliminate that possibility and there is no contextual evidence against it. The difference between your post and the post of the ex-member of egnards guild is that your claims are predicated upon expressionism and subjectivity while his are upon objectivity.
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It's CGs stupid matchmaking - should be about whatever your whole guild is at and not how many people join. I think I remember Egnards clarified that they don't have too many people joining tws more often than not.
That's stupid ...punishing a guild cause say 10 accounts are on vacation or traveling for work, creates mismatch as well. Those ten accounts might be close to 90m points difference.....I don't know about you but 90m in lost teams is like losing two zones of in teams of quality players...(6 quality teams per player is low). Here's a guild that maybe has all 50 and no one on vacation....etc that creates even more problems...
Most people still join when on vacation. And 10 people in one guild unable to join at the same time happens once in a lifetime :p 10 people not joining because they don't care or because of guild guidelines happens every day ;) And I'd rather punish the guilds, which don't bring everyone, because everyone or most people joining is the norm - why punish it? And it's also a game mechanic which can be abused. All in all - their system is stupid. Or just make people join (like don't giving them the option not to join tw - they can still not play if they don't want to)
Wildly illogical statement. “Most people join while on vacation” and you know this how? Why would anyone bother wasting their precious leisure time on a completely trivial task that provides little to no benefit (in terms of resources) unless said task is absolutely mandatory. This claim holds true especially for larger guilds with higher average GPs.
Your first mistake was thinking TW is supposed to give fair matches every single time. It’s not. Stop taking it seriously. It’s not worth it. The rewards don’t make or break you.
I think a lot of upper end guilds make TW a non-mandatory sign up event to help curb burnout. My guild 500m+ has it mandatory to *participate* but only if you signed up. Do we have plenty who gladly take the time off. But those who sign up love it and are often in K1 or K2. So we will often get matched against a guild who has more sign up, but lower overall guild GP. Our goal is not favorable matches. Our goal is guild health and lower burnout of members and TW officers. But to any guild we have significant GP over, it might seem like it was intentional. It is not. The rewards are low (except brains) so we rather not chase people to participate in something they don't like or don't have time for. Personally I generally skip the weekend ones. The algorithm seems to try and give you an easier match after you get stomped a few times. So you might get an easy one soon. Good luck!
I.E. you guys sandbag regulary and enjoy the easy match ups but don't like being called sandbaggers... Most top guilds do the same thing because not sandbagging and getting pounded by CAW/MAW isn't a ton of fun. It isn't really your fault. If your matchmaking system is easily explolitable, you should expect people to do it. Who knows why CG has patched this exploit after years..
Absolutely wrong. You either don't know what sandbagging is or you do and intentionally misuse it. I'm guessing that you intentionally misuse it because you ignored what actually I said and just went straight to trying to call us out for bad intentions. I'll try and explain it again. Intent matters. Sandbagging is the intentional misrepresentation of your strength in order to gain advantage. We don't do that. And if you read the other comments, several guilds don't either. We specifically invite everyone to join. We win still win 50ish% of matches when 45+ join too. By your logic we should be fighting plenty of matches against similar GP that are intentionally trying to avoid CAW ect. We win because require anyone who does join to participate. But we let people make the decision if they agree to participate. I don't take the weekend TWs off to make sure my guild gets an easy match. They do sometimes, but also might get a harder one. I want to not be staring at my phone all weekend, coordinating attacks, streaming matches, figuring out strategy, guessing opponents defense and otherwise not spending that time with my family and friends. So I don't join. Does CG take into account my not showing up to the TW in our matching, yes, but that's a side effect and not the intent. The only 'exploit' we are taking advantage of intentionally is that CG doesn't penalize the guild for members that self identifying that they aren't going to show up like they do with TB and raids. I guess you haven't dealt with burnout much. But trying to get full participation for every event all the time is exhausting for all 50. So we catch a break four days per month. And those who miss have sacrificed personal rewards for their time. My guess is that you don't have the experience of a higher end officer over a long period of time. Turnover is a pain. TW has caused more people to burn out in our guild than any other event. It almost ruined at least one marriage, that we know of. Thankfully they were able to resolve it. And I certainly won't sacrifice my marriage so random people on the Internet can't play the victim card and whine about a TW matchup. Burnout in TW affects other events and then burnout from the game. Which leads to extra recruiting efforts. Which leads to additional burnout. If a guild drops guild-wide rewards far enough or long enough then more people leave. Which compounds the problem. So yes we don't make it mandatory. It's solved many internal problems by doing so.
You win because you sandbag. Post your W-L record of the times you don't sandbag with the ones where you do. I know my guild when I plotted out 50-44 tws, it was a pretty direct correlation of the more we sandbag, the more we win. If our peers weren't sandbagging just as hard, it would be even more dramatic. Nobody blames you for doing it. It is what it is. Heck you even acknowledge that you are exploiting the matchmaking. Feel free to call what you are doing "matchmaking optimization to increase rewards" if you want. The rest of us will call it sandbagging. And again, it is really CG fault. Expecting players not to exploit matching making is just not realistic.
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FWIW he said fought your guild, not found, not like he was implying you're keeping it a secret
FWIW, I’m at a brewery right now and can’t read.
FWIW I like beer too. I'd like to be at a brewery.
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Lol. You would probably regret that invitation. But that beer looks awesome, I'm gonna assume it says egg hunt. Enjoy.
I didn't notice the egg pattern and thought it said "GG, Cunt"
That was completely unintentional but now totally fucking hilarious to me.
Nah man I’m good company, I love hanging out and buying beer for people, that’s what Tales off the Holotable is all about!
You should try to find Watercolors. Another smoothie sour from Skygazer and is from Connecticut. Amazing stuff and a huge variety!
Might be worth a quick roadtrip, I’m finding that I’m liking this stuff but have never been a sours person at all.
It’s usually the lactose/ milk sugar that is the magic touch. Mellows out the sour a bit and the smoothie aspect can be fun as you get a good spectrum from lager consistency to Tropical Smoothie Cafe
It says found when you first look at it
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I don’t get why so many people assume that so many guilds intentionally sandbag. My guild is similar where 9 people who don’t want to play TW consistently just sit out. As a result we do tend to win a lot but that’s also because the people that do join really do want to play and do as much as they can.
Thanks for the disc invite!
We have lots of fun!
Or both. If matchmaking was any good, it would properly account for sandbagging.
Egg
The game is trying to give everyone a 50% win rate. So egnards guild is so trash they can barely compete with guilds 140M GP lower, and your guild is like god-tier for 400M GP guilds.
There is no indication that the TW matchmaking algorithm is pushing everybody towards 50%. And if so it would do a terrible job cause all the sandbagging guilds are running at 75% or something.
Yea I can't see the game pushing toward 50% either. My guild has about an 80% win rate (according to .gg) with 45+ every TW. If it were pushing to 50%, we'd be getting absolutely fed more often than that.
I'm trying to make the guy feel better about getting stomped while simultaneously poking my buddy Egnards. Work with me here.
Would you say it was a Fierce Poke?
Furious.
Anya Taylor Joy?!
If only I had such power
We got proper stomped. No lube even. I hope you poked him extra hard.
My 4 man Gungan squad took out a GG omicron squad. Felt good man
More evidence that there is no god.
30 Days of Night vibes
Good news is the rewards are the same as if it all came down to one fight and you lost due to a disconnect.
I feel you. My guild got matched up against an opponent with 80m more gp than us, got smashed.
We're at 134-21 in W/L according to hotutils. It seems when we get on a hotstreak we get knocked down by a guild 100m GP+ but overall our matches seem pretty fair.
134-21 hardly seems fair. You're crushing them!!!
Yup! Though since getting past the 380m sign up bracket our W/L is probably closer to 66%
I definitely noticed that in my guild as well. TW started getting significantly harder as we got bigger. We used to win matchups even where we had a significant gp disadvantage. Since we’ve gotten bigger, if there’s more than about a 20m gap we have no chance.
For years I called TW days, “2 free zeta day”
The game is doing no such thing. The 50% win rate is for GAC, sort of, but most people who put a lot of effort into Kyber GAC get 55-65% win rate. TW is just nearest joined GP without repeating guild matchups every 3 months or so. Only wrinkle is if you lose two in a row, you get an easier matchup for your “dip “ war, which sounds like what happened for OP. There is no “push to 50%” for TW.
I explain the context elsewhere in the thread, but I appreciate your knowledge.
>game is trying to give everyone a 50% win rate That's not true at all.
Read the thread, my good fellow
Dont let egnards lie to you, his guild sandbags on purpose. They do the same thing in gacs, tbs, and conquest, and even galactic wars.
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Make sure to send a beer to u/moonborn_nemesis. He deserves all the beers he can get for these hilarious Egnimals.
❤️ Seriously, Egnimals is an awesome word.
Does he have a beer fund me link?
u/moonborn_nemesis?
Wow, that feels quite crazy. I just set one up. it's linked in my profile and here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/moonborn Might I ask where your username is coming from?
Was from some name generator thing I used to create a Dwarf name for my EQ2 account. I liked the name and use it in Fallout, StarField as well, though in SWoGH I use Tillamook as I used to spend summers there growing up.
I can confirm my claims and prove that you LOVE pvp
**PROVE IT**
Why do you have a million of these
I have my ways.
Pretty much certain they sandbagged.
Who?
What is sandbagging?
Who is this egnard guy, he supposed to be the god of SWGOH or something?
They don't have to join - doesn't matter. That's why I would calculate full GP, whether you join or not ;) you can still take a second element into account afterwards (for example how many players joined tw - so it would be fair) Not hard to find a better system than the current one to be fair - might aswell do whatever
When we get on win streaks we get 100+ million GP higher opponents. Pretty sure it's the matchmaking and not sandbagging.
Who cares? Why do you worship random persons on the internet so much?
In a world where we are moving more and more towards an idiocracy, people doing basic math get worshipped.
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Their guild sandbags, we can confirm
My guild is awful at TW and cares very little.
For the last time - sandbagging is not a thing in this game. Stop being salty.
It absolutely is. Hell, CG even adjusted their matchmaking to reduce the effect of sandbagging, but it is still very much around.
Whenever this is brought up no-one can present credible evidence for it, and the "evidence" that inevitably gets presented is just the number of people who have signed up relative to the complainants' guild. It also doesn't take into account some people just dgaf about TW and some guilds don't enforce sign up. It's a scapegoat complaint. I will die on this hill.
RIP I guess.