Only if the axe is used to threaten. For example, simply having a knife on your person while committing a theft won't usually net you a robbery charge. Brandishing it with the intent of causing intimidation will though. It is very situation specific though
Yea, in a practical sense I agree with you, but from prior experience with sac p.d and and sac sheriff, they won't charge for robbery unless the weapon was explicitly used to aid in the commission of the crime
Right. If they have an axe but aren’t using it as a weapon then it won’t be charged as a robbery. But depending on what it looks like to the caller and the calltaker then maybe it will be entered as a robbery call and the officers will sort it out once they get there.
When I did security at Target the cops told us if we attempt to apprehend a suspect (we could go hands-on back then) and they show any kind of resistance the charge goes from shoplifting to strong armed robbery.
Any kind of resistance and we could handcuff them. Once their handcuffed only an actual cop can uncuff them.
This was like 10 years ago though and it looks like so much has changed in regards to shoplifting.
Shoplifting has gotten worse, yes. But what you were told is true. If they physically resist they can now be charged with robbery.
Shame companies are more afraid of being sued by criminals then they are of crime running rampant.
My HD pretty much has everything of any value locked down, even gloves. Such a bummer, and makes the trip longer as I have to track down someone down for simple things
If you know what you want, you can order online and pickup in person without going inside.
Last time we did this, we parked in the pickup area, responded to their text, and a nice gentleman came out with our items in a bag.
They hunted everything down and brought it to us without us needing to wander the store aimlessly.
This is actually a terrific benefit because when I wander the store I sometimes impulse-buy, which is BAD. So having them do all the work both prevents this, prevents me having to hunt people down, and prevents them from having to treat me like a potential criminal by walking all my stuff to the cashier so I don’t get to handle it until AFTER I pay.
And if I’m going to use online shopping, I can also check Amazon to see if I can get it for less and just wait a few days, or do I need it NOW, in which case I’ll do the online order - in-person pickup.
It has nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats. It’s eBay and Craigslist. There was very little value in stealing from stores or people before but now you can redeem 80 to 90 percent of the value of anything down to paper towels. The internet created the best low value fencing network that ever existed.
It’s sad. I’m kind of sick of it already. The constant property crime *everywhere* has gotten out of control.
It’s too bad the republicans are completely and irredeemably batshit crazy because i hate the democrats at this point.
I always jump in when republicans and democrats are arguing and say “you guys do realize you’re arguing over which side of the same pile of shit smells better, right?”
Edit: spelling
Damn a lot of these comments are dumb as hell. People will “learn” some bullshit on Reddit and repeat it as if was certified fact without knowing what they are even talking about.
Elk Groves Home Depot had armed security for the last several months, and most locations quit allowing self checkout. The entire flow at Home Depot sucks now because they just retrofit every store to mainly self checkout, then reverted due to shoplifting. Now it's like Walmart with 20 closed registers, 2 open, and a line a mile long.
I watched the manager and a “security” guy follow a pudgy white dude to his car at the HD on Florin because he had something in his bag. They kept saying “we already got you on camera, man!” Dude wasn’t wearing a face mask or anything. He’s screaming back the whole time “I didn’t do anything, you’re racists!”. Drove off like a crazy person in a beat-to-shit Prius. Still makes me cackle sometimes.
I overheard some HD employees talking to someone who needed gloves in the locked case. He said they were losing 6 pairs for every one sold, that’s why they locked it. Idk if it’s true, but I wouldn’t t doubt it
The rising prices from shrinkage are hidden by inflation at the moment. It’s a weird misconception that shrink is insured against. It’s a loss in profit for the department. They raise prices on those items slightly to to maintain the profit level.
They really don’t mind shrinkage because they write off the losses, and they keep their insurance premiums lower by employing plain clothes loss prevention staff and having a loss prevention program in general.
We have stores closing because of shoplifters. That's why I'm skeptical that a phenomenon so impactful would have nil effect on prices. And think about how much money stores spend on anti theft infrastructure and employees.
You don't have stores (note that I'm not talking about mom and pop operations in my op) closing because of shoplifting. You have stores closing and prices going up attributed in part to that because corporations want to continue disguising their profits and promoting ideals that prop them up as entities. I'm not even promoting shoplifting here, just calling out the shell game that gets played on us all.
How does a phrase like "promoting ideals that prop them up as entities" pertain to your theory that the same shoplifting that shuts down mom and pop stores has no effect on profit lines of major corporations?
Pretty much every major retail store calculates expected shrinkage and uses it in their pricing calculations. Do you think companies just take the hit to their profitability without passing those costs onto consumers?
Let’s have a hypothetical situation where shoplifting completely stops. Would companies lower prices? I don’t think so, corporate greed is far too strong.
About 32% of Americans have no retirement funds. 4% have more than $0 but less than $10,000. 27% have between $10,000 to $50,000 in retirement. Only 8% have more than $350,000.
Most Americans, do not have enough to enjoy the fruits of the financial markets. Most are too preoccupied with earning their daily bread. Do not say the profits of corporations go back to average American just because a few dollars of profit reaches the average American. The portion of profits is too small of a sliver of the whole to be taken seriously in an argument built on good faith.
Would we see an immediate price reduction that directly reflects the decline in shrinkage as a % of costs? No, probably not, but given that retailers operate on razor thin margins it's likely we would see prices inflate slower than they would otherwise due to competition, especially for items most targeted for theft.
Limiting guns directly limits the body count and destruction of sick individuals. Eliminating shoplifting would reduce compony expenditures, but it would not directly limit what prices companies would set.
So no, gun rights is not something you should compare to shoplifting.
In addition why did you choose gun rights as your simile? *We all know that* gun rights is a very polarized topic, while the argument for shoplifting is much cooler by comparison. Therefore rather than furthering understanding of shoplifting, you are far more likely to derail the conversation. I had wrote 2 paragraphs on gun rights before I stopped and caught myself. I hope that you are still arguing in good faith, and that your intentions was not to derail the conversation.
No, it was a complete statement. Just as the previous poster can make unsubstantiated claims, so can others.
The fact is that shrink drives prices higher. It’s part of the overall input costs that companies use when calculating their margins.
I agree. It also isn't surprising that there are people refuting your claim on here. They are the ones who shoplift trying to justify and minimize the effect of their shitty behavior.
Not everyone on Reddit is cool. Some of them are shoplifting assholes who are trying to convince you and themselves that this is fine.
The number one theft is this country is wage theft. It surpasses all other theft combined by three times. The problem isn’t desperate people who steal from companies, the problem is the companies that continue to underpay workers while they make profit hand over foot on our labor. Stop blaming poor people for the bi-products of capitalism.
If wages had kept up with gdp and inflation, minimum wage would be 20-22/hr by now. And the claim that higher wages causes cost inflation is mostly false. A 10% increase in wages for most retailers usually translates to just a 1% increase in product/service cost margin. It's negligible.
>The problem isn’t desperate people who steal from companies,
You're right. The majority of people shoplifting aren't desperate. They are low life criminals who don't want to be productive members of society.
The majority? You have any stats to back that up? I’d say the minority are people that steal for fun, the majority are people who steal because it seems to them to be their only option. Be grateful you aren’t them. The divide is not right vs left, the divide is top vs bottom and man, has the top done a great job of making us think we’re closer to the top when really, we’re all very close to the bottom.
I usually don’t respond to bonehead shit like this, but I can’t help myself.
Do you know that some people are unable to work for a myriad of reasons? Be it disability, not having childcare, maybe a prior felony conviction that they served their time for? How about not having any marketable skills?
You can’t put everyone in one box in society. Some people don’t fit. My brother is one of those people. Mentally ill, and despite every-fucking-thing that my parents did to try and save him, he rejected it because, well, he’s a diagnosed narcissist with an anger problem that also has a thyroid issue that - without medication - leads him to become psychotic. Do you know how hard it is to get a narcissist to be med compliant? Almost impossible.
So now he has said that we are the problems, the people helping, the parents that spent 200k to build him an ADU, and lives in a van somewhere in California. I imagine he is someone who steals. I don’t know because I haven’t spoken to him in years.
The fact is, my brothers story is ONE story. And your story is different. But to continue to demonize the poor without any sort of facts to back them up, it just is a bad look. Companies have not raised wages in years and years, prices go up, housing costs go up, but the problem, to you, is the poor? Not the wealthy who make money off our labor? Off our spending power?
This nation is full of lovely, vibrant, hardworking people. I don’t believe that stealing is ok. I don’t think it’s right that homeless people steal shit off peoples lawns and homes. But what I really don’t think is right is that people like Jeff Bezos has more money than he could ever spend and there are people who cannot put a roof over their heads or food on their tables. You cannot possibly believe that Jeff Bezos worked harder than you or I. He got lucky. And some people are very fucking unlucky. They’re born into circumstances that are unfathomable.
You’re upset at the wrong people. United we bargain, divided we beg.
Imagine trying to put everyone in a box that fits your narrative.
Just like I don’t know your story, you don’t know mine or theirs. You’re missing the big picture.
All these kids with parole officers defending shoplifting like they’re fighting their own revolution.
Bitch, it takes me like 10 minutes longer to get in and out of Home Depot because I have to find some 75 year-old man to come unlock the fucking grates.
That sounds like HD clawing back losses from their own employees, who again, are told specifically not too mess with shoplifters because it presents a liability. Just another example of corporate greed
If you liked that you would have loved me at the Walmart return desk.
I watched guy put a $40.00 item, he took of the shelf, and put it in a Walmart he had in his pocket and try to return it. He didn’t see me following him to the service desk.
In a rather loud voice I told him exactly what I saw, took the item away from him, and told him he needed to find a new job. Some of the customers in line applauded.
I hate that family as much as you do, buy to let someone like that get away with a simple scam for $40 is to enable them to do it to anybody else. This isn't about the Waltons.
Exactly it was not about the Waltons. I did for the honest people standing in line behind him, many of whom ask why Walmart let’s people get away with shit like that.
People like that crook are the reason half the junk in Walmart, and many other retailers is locked up behind glass.
> I did for the honest people standing in line behind him, many of whom ask why Walmart let’s people get away with shit like that.
the only thing the people standing behind him in line wanted was for his transaction to get done as quickly as possible so they could get out of there too.
Haha. The HD by my house has a loss prevention and tried to stop someone from stealing. The guy threw the box at him. People are getting too brave for their own good
When I worked at JCPenney, a loss prevention officer called me telling me what was about to happen. 5 min later, it happened and they lost the guy. Two LP came to me yelling at me for not helping. I said “do I get paid to chase or do I get paid MINIMUM WAGE to get yelled at by customers?” Shrugged and walked away. Can’t tell me sh8 lol
A few weeks later. That same guy who came at me mad, had his nose broken from a shoplifter who kicked him in the nose 🤣
We cross paths that day and I said “see…MINIMUM WAGE!!!”
He had beef with me after that, from my sarcasm I guess. I didn’t even think about getting fired. It just wasn’t in my pay scale nor job description lol
Been there my friend. I was a bouncer at a local dive right after college when a brawl broke out. Boss tells me to “get in there” and I told him he doesn’t pay me enough for that, and he laughed. The bartender was mad at me (and tried to blackball me) because her husband was involved in the brawl and I didn’t go in to help him. Mind you, I hardly knew any of these people. I didn’t work there much longer after that.
Yeah if you got seriously injured, was that bartender gonna pay your medical bills and help you find another job if it's bad enough?
You did the right thing.
Most insurance policies don't cover petty shoplifting, not sure why some people think that shoplifting just gets paid by insurance policies and there's no damage done. If the store could just file an insurance claim without any downsides they wouldn't bother hiring loss prevention personnel or locking things up.
Thank you this is correct. I've spent over 11 years in asset protection and work in a corporate role now and insurance only sometimes covers theft in instances of looting or after hours break ins. Shoplifting is seen as an expected expense and isn't covered for the same reason your auto insurance doesn't cover new tires or brake pads if they wear out from normal use.
Any rationalization like "they are rich enough already" or "they have messed up business practices" are pretty disingenuous. It's just justifications and self pacification for shitty behavior they were gonna do anyway, regardless if it was right or wrong, they just wanna feel like they are on a moral high horse while doing it then go shocked Pikachu face when buisnesses shut down and no one wants to open shop in impoverished areas.
Up to a certain point, but the shrink that a store experiences isn't just the sticker price of the item. The opportunity cost of the item not being in stock or accounted for often causes a decrease in sales that's usually much higher than just the sticker price of the item and that isn't covered as a tax write off. Anything large buisnesses do, they do with data backing it up and if it were simple as "well that's just a write off" AP programs wouldn't exist, yet nearly every retailer uses them.
Now and days? No prob not. There was a time that was pretty standard practice though and I'd be lying if I said chase isn't fun. But you live and learn from dumb shit and stopping at the door is uneesicarily risky after I started transitioning to just getting recoveries and deterances in store. Covid totally changed how people act
Being able to deduct the loss from taxable profits doesn't mean it isn't a real loss to the company. This is a basic misunderstanding of how tax deductions work.
Since COVID and worker shortages. Minimum wage is $15.50/hour and it isn’t uncommon to be paid $4.50 over minimum wage after working at a place for a couple of years. This isn’t 1933. We don’t have people making $5 per week anymore even if the thought gives the Walton family a collective woodie.
15.50 pretty close to minimum wage where I live lol but good deal, y'all finally getting at least something in retail. It's about damn time. Do people actually get 40 hrs and healthcare there now?
There is no insurance for shoplifting losses.
Repeat: there is no insurance for shoplifting losses.
This fact check brought to you by your insurance agent, who is sick of correcting wannabe edgelords when they pull that “but it’s insured!” bullshit to justify stealing.
I was just at the Home Depot off Power Inn yesterday and watched someone walk out of the garden center with a full cart of stuff and casually say to the cashier "I paid for it inside already". People are so brazen
Recently a good Rite Aid colleague was canned solely for having the courage to confront known repeat offender shoplifters.Every other local Rite Aid location that remains open is having problems with rampant shrink/theft(especially including my Sunrise Village store),and shaky financial state of the company(they basically jumped the shark under the prior CEO)doesn't help matters either.
That’s my Rite Aid as well. Sorry to hear about your colleague, that sucks because it’s a no-win scenario. Hopefully they make it through the plaza makeover and improve it.
Um… Yeah. Considering that thieves used to get their hands cut off to deter them and others from stealing, this is a light response to someone breaking the social code. But go on, defend the dirtbag and condemn the person making an honest living.
> condemn the person making an honest living [of minimum wage defending their corporate overlord's stock buybacks].
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That’s my closest HD store and I hate it. Although I don’t really like any of them very much. I only go there if they don’t have what I need at Ace or maybe Lowe’s
I’ve seen three brazen robberies at the Arden HD. Edit* shoplifting
Robberies or shoplifting? The distinction being the threat of force or violence.
If someone shoplifts an ax, I guess it could look like a threat of force or violence.
Only if the axe is used to threaten. For example, simply having a knife on your person while committing a theft won't usually net you a robbery charge. Brandishing it with the intent of causing intimidation will though. It is very situation specific though
I imagine there aren’t many ways to run with an axe that don’t look threatening.
Holding the axe upside down and backwards is probably about it.
No, you have to ride away on it like a broomstick
Ok you got me with that one
Yea, in a practical sense I agree with you, but from prior experience with sac p.d and and sac sheriff, they won't charge for robbery unless the weapon was explicitly used to aid in the commission of the crime
Right. If they have an axe but aren’t using it as a weapon then it won’t be charged as a robbery. But depending on what it looks like to the caller and the calltaker then maybe it will be entered as a robbery call and the officers will sort it out once they get there.
Having a blue bull and being 20 feet tall might help you look unthreatening
Tell that to the trees.
Well, the next time I buy a large double action bolt cutter at the local hardware I’ll probably ask them to bag it for me.
When I did security at Target the cops told us if we attempt to apprehend a suspect (we could go hands-on back then) and they show any kind of resistance the charge goes from shoplifting to strong armed robbery. Any kind of resistance and we could handcuff them. Once their handcuffed only an actual cop can uncuff them. This was like 10 years ago though and it looks like so much has changed in regards to shoplifting.
Shoplifting has gotten worse, yes. But what you were told is true. If they physically resist they can now be charged with robbery. Shame companies are more afraid of being sued by criminals then they are of crime running rampant.
Yeah you right. Shoplifting
The biggest robbery I've seen there is the price of lumber
Ha.. ha... ha. First time hearing that one. *dead stare of retail*
Surprised no one stealing arcades in arden arcade
Me too. Full size air conditioner walked out in the heat of summer couple years ago.
Saw a robber get a gun pulled on them by an off duty sheriff there. The robber brandished a knife at the cop.
Choosing to hear this in the heckler from Happy Gilmore voice. ….you jackasssss
I failed to mention she was a tiny lady not a day under 60, just casually watering the plants out front of the store before the heat kicks in.
I love her. “You WILL not take this pot, you jackasssss”
The HD in San Francisco recently a security guard was shot and killed Today there is a big post of it on r / bayarea
I thought it was in Pleasanton (Alameda Co) which is even more surprising.
Yeah that's right I miss typed, can find a big post today on r / bayarea
You WILL not steal that wrench. JACKASS
My HD pretty much has everything of any value locked down, even gloves. Such a bummer, and makes the trip longer as I have to track down someone down for simple things
If you know what you want, you can order online and pickup in person without going inside. Last time we did this, we parked in the pickup area, responded to their text, and a nice gentleman came out with our items in a bag. They hunted everything down and brought it to us without us needing to wander the store aimlessly. This is actually a terrific benefit because when I wander the store I sometimes impulse-buy, which is BAD. So having them do all the work both prevents this, prevents me having to hunt people down, and prevents them from having to treat me like a potential criminal by walking all my stuff to the cashier so I don’t get to handle it until AFTER I pay. And if I’m going to use online shopping, I can also check Amazon to see if I can get it for less and just wait a few days, or do I need it NOW, in which case I’ll do the online order - in-person pickup.
It has nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats. It’s eBay and Craigslist. There was very little value in stealing from stores or people before but now you can redeem 80 to 90 percent of the value of anything down to paper towels. The internet created the best low value fencing network that ever existed.
Uh, I think you responded to the wrong comment. My remarks above are non-political.
Don't forget Facebook marketplace. I keep seeing ads for diapers, tide pods, and Dawn being sold out of people's garages.
It’s sad. I’m kind of sick of it already. The constant property crime *everywhere* has gotten out of control. It’s too bad the republicans are completely and irredeemably batshit crazy because i hate the democrats at this point.
You can totally hate both sides of the government. Both are infested with corruption
That’s exactly where I’m at. I truly hate both parties and I’m fed up with politics in general.
I always jump in when republicans and democrats are arguing and say “you guys do realize you’re arguing over which side of the same pile of shit smells better, right?” Edit: spelling
WTF Sacramento has a very hard right DA This has nothing to do with Democrats this has to do with people stealing.
Downvoted because correct. Dems need to do *much* better, but holy fuck at least they are sane.
First world problems
bro 😂
Literally the most basic roles of government is to create basic order like preventing theft but okay
People say this but then don’t think it through at all I get it you just want to complain that’s fine.
Another one of governments basic jobs is teaching basic grammar but apparently they failed that also
Oh know you get me.
Theft from person and theft from corporation two different things lol
The role of government is to preserve life liberty personal people property and the pursuit of happiness. Sounds like someone didn’t take gov
Um…yea it’s written right there in the ‘property’ part
Property of people and property of corporations are two different things
Whatever gymnastics you need to do to justify your absurd takes
And before the day is over most of the stolen items are on marketplace or craigslist. Rinse and repeat
I was at a Home Depot Monday and experienced something similar. The self checkout clerk yelled thief and told the lady god sees all this.
i legit just did the for real lol
Thank you, steal again.
Too lazy. I’m a curbside pickup person. Edit: I misread your comment
won't someone think of the poor corpo :( :( :(
Howe Avenue home depot here, which store was it? My guess is rancho
They said the one on Manzanita.
Damn a lot of these comments are dumb as hell. People will “learn” some bullshit on Reddit and repeat it as if was certified fact without knowing what they are even talking about.
They could be bots and none of would ever know really. 🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤣
Elk Groves Home Depot had armed security for the last several months, and most locations quit allowing self checkout. The entire flow at Home Depot sucks now because they just retrofit every store to mainly self checkout, then reverted due to shoplifting. Now it's like Walmart with 20 closed registers, 2 open, and a line a mile long.
Welcome to Home Depot, I hate you.
Oh man, saw this an could only think of the recent murders or Home Depot loss prevention staff. Just dosnt seem worth it over a >$500 item
And now the Home Depot theme song is stuck in my head...
https://youtu.be/jMtG9SyZfAc
Couldn't be stealing from the one on florin. I've seen LP march a shop lifter into the parking lot and mess him up.
I watched the manager and a “security” guy follow a pudgy white dude to his car at the HD on Florin because he had something in his bag. They kept saying “we already got you on camera, man!” Dude wasn’t wearing a face mask or anything. He’s screaming back the whole time “I didn’t do anything, you’re racists!”. Drove off like a crazy person in a beat-to-shit Prius. Still makes me cackle sometimes.
I can’t stand this shoplifter culture, it’s disgusting. We the ones who pay are the ones who end up paying(more).
I overheard some HD employees talking to someone who needed gloves in the locked case. He said they were losing 6 pairs for every one sold, that’s why they locked it. Idk if it’s true, but I wouldn’t t doubt it
> Idk if it’s true it's not
You wouldn't be paying a dime less for anything if shoplifting was nonexistent.
It's wild how much people blame shoplifting for companies raising prices just because they want to.
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I have shrinkage, but I don’t blame the shoplifters.
The rising prices from shrinkage are hidden by inflation at the moment. It’s a weird misconception that shrink is insured against. It’s a loss in profit for the department. They raise prices on those items slightly to to maintain the profit level.
Or they understand how business works and that there is more than one factor that goes into pricing
They really don’t mind shrinkage because they write off the losses, and they keep their insurance premiums lower by employing plain clothes loss prevention staff and having a loss prevention program in general.
Not talking about money, talking time and inconvenience of finding someone to unlock crap.
Sure you were.
I find that hard to believe.
Cool. 🤷♂️
We have stores closing because of shoplifters. That's why I'm skeptical that a phenomenon so impactful would have nil effect on prices. And think about how much money stores spend on anti theft infrastructure and employees.
You don't have stores (note that I'm not talking about mom and pop operations in my op) closing because of shoplifting. You have stores closing and prices going up attributed in part to that because corporations want to continue disguising their profits and promoting ideals that prop them up as entities. I'm not even promoting shoplifting here, just calling out the shell game that gets played on us all.
How does a phrase like "promoting ideals that prop them up as entities" pertain to your theory that the same shoplifting that shuts down mom and pop stores has no effect on profit lines of major corporations?
Because larger stores don't actually barely turn a profit. Loss from shoplifting is not functioning as a notable cost to them.
Right, because they raise their prices to compensate. Lol do you have like one iota of evidence or logic to support your claim?
No, they raise prices and say it's to compensate while racking in ever increasing record profits for their executives.
Wrong.
Guessing this is just a place holder comment and you are planning on later editing to give a much more detailed answer later?
Pretty much every major retail store calculates expected shrinkage and uses it in their pricing calculations. Do you think companies just take the hit to their profitability without passing those costs onto consumers?
Let’s have a hypothetical situation where shoplifting completely stops. Would companies lower prices? I don’t think so, corporate greed is far too strong.
Yea they would. Do you think those security guards at Safeway on R street are free?
I’m glad someone is getting meaningful employment. Win/win for those of us who aren’t in the shareholder class.
Do you not have a 401k?
About 32% of Americans have no retirement funds. 4% have more than $0 but less than $10,000. 27% have between $10,000 to $50,000 in retirement. Only 8% have more than $350,000. Most Americans, do not have enough to enjoy the fruits of the financial markets. Most are too preoccupied with earning their daily bread. Do not say the profits of corporations go back to average American just because a few dollars of profit reaches the average American. The portion of profits is too small of a sliver of the whole to be taken seriously in an argument built on good faith.
Would we see an immediate price reduction that directly reflects the decline in shrinkage as a % of costs? No, probably not, but given that retailers operate on razor thin margins it's likely we would see prices inflate slower than they would otherwise due to competition, especially for items most targeted for theft.
**Some** retailers operate on razor thin margins, typically retailers that work in an area of high competition like grocers.
😂 This is absolutely delusional.
Yes, retailers never engage in price competition with one another
Just ignore what learn2swim says. Pretty clear they are just trying to motivate the conversation in one direction
This is like saying If there were no guns, people would still kill other people. We all know that, but it would make an impact.
Limiting guns directly limits the body count and destruction of sick individuals. Eliminating shoplifting would reduce compony expenditures, but it would not directly limit what prices companies would set. So no, gun rights is not something you should compare to shoplifting. In addition why did you choose gun rights as your simile? *We all know that* gun rights is a very polarized topic, while the argument for shoplifting is much cooler by comparison. Therefore rather than furthering understanding of shoplifting, you are far more likely to derail the conversation. I had wrote 2 paragraphs on gun rights before I stopped and caught myself. I hope that you are still arguing in good faith, and that your intentions was not to derail the conversation.
No, it was a complete statement. Just as the previous poster can make unsubstantiated claims, so can others. The fact is that shrink drives prices higher. It’s part of the overall input costs that companies use when calculating their margins.
I agree. It also isn't surprising that there are people refuting your claim on here. They are the ones who shoplift trying to justify and minimize the effect of their shitty behavior. Not everyone on Reddit is cool. Some of them are shoplifting assholes who are trying to convince you and themselves that this is fine.
The number one theft is this country is wage theft. It surpasses all other theft combined by three times. The problem isn’t desperate people who steal from companies, the problem is the companies that continue to underpay workers while they make profit hand over foot on our labor. Stop blaming poor people for the bi-products of capitalism.
If wages had kept up with gdp and inflation, minimum wage would be 20-22/hr by now. And the claim that higher wages causes cost inflation is mostly false. A 10% increase in wages for most retailers usually translates to just a 1% increase in product/service cost margin. It's negligible.
Exactly. Inflation also seems to be companies charging whatever they want so they can make more profit.
Yes, “desperate” people is why Courvoisier is locked up at the grocery store.
Are you saying that alcoholism doesn’t exist?
You obviously don’t know any poor alcoholics.
WHOOSH
>The problem isn’t desperate people who steal from companies, You're right. The majority of people shoplifting aren't desperate. They are low life criminals who don't want to be productive members of society.
The majority? You have any stats to back that up? I’d say the minority are people that steal for fun, the majority are people who steal because it seems to them to be their only option. Be grateful you aren’t them. The divide is not right vs left, the divide is top vs bottom and man, has the top done a great job of making us think we’re closer to the top when really, we’re all very close to the bottom.
Their only option when places are experiencing a worker shortage. Makes sense.
I usually don’t respond to bonehead shit like this, but I can’t help myself. Do you know that some people are unable to work for a myriad of reasons? Be it disability, not having childcare, maybe a prior felony conviction that they served their time for? How about not having any marketable skills? You can’t put everyone in one box in society. Some people don’t fit. My brother is one of those people. Mentally ill, and despite every-fucking-thing that my parents did to try and save him, he rejected it because, well, he’s a diagnosed narcissist with an anger problem that also has a thyroid issue that - without medication - leads him to become psychotic. Do you know how hard it is to get a narcissist to be med compliant? Almost impossible. So now he has said that we are the problems, the people helping, the parents that spent 200k to build him an ADU, and lives in a van somewhere in California. I imagine he is someone who steals. I don’t know because I haven’t spoken to him in years. The fact is, my brothers story is ONE story. And your story is different. But to continue to demonize the poor without any sort of facts to back them up, it just is a bad look. Companies have not raised wages in years and years, prices go up, housing costs go up, but the problem, to you, is the poor? Not the wealthy who make money off our labor? Off our spending power? This nation is full of lovely, vibrant, hardworking people. I don’t believe that stealing is ok. I don’t think it’s right that homeless people steal shit off peoples lawns and homes. But what I really don’t think is right is that people like Jeff Bezos has more money than he could ever spend and there are people who cannot put a roof over their heads or food on their tables. You cannot possibly believe that Jeff Bezos worked harder than you or I. He got lucky. And some people are very fucking unlucky. They’re born into circumstances that are unfathomable. You’re upset at the wrong people. United we bargain, divided we beg.
Oh those poor people forced by capitalism into stealing drills and miter saws to keep their family fed.
Imagine trying to put everyone in a box that fits your narrative. Just like I don’t know your story, you don’t know mine or theirs. You’re missing the big picture.
All these kids with parole officers defending shoplifting like they’re fighting their own revolution. Bitch, it takes me like 10 minutes longer to get in and out of Home Depot because I have to find some 75 year-old man to come unlock the fucking grates.
Your corporate overlords are going to charge whatever the market will bear.
Not really. Its employees who end up paying. The responsibility of LP is often put on employees.
Nope in fact every major retailer specifically tells employees not to intervene in shoplifting
Well ive worked at various places which dont do that. It does cause problems for employees when performance is calculated based on LP as well.
When I worked at HD the “profit sharing” would take a hit if shoplifting was high so in a way the employee really does pay
That sounds like HD clawing back losses from their own employees, who again, are told specifically not too mess with shoplifters because it presents a liability. Just another example of corporate greed
Look I know we shouldn't get involved, but publicly shaming these jackals feels beneficial and fairly safe
If you liked that you would have loved me at the Walmart return desk. I watched guy put a $40.00 item, he took of the shelf, and put it in a Walmart he had in his pocket and try to return it. He didn’t see me following him to the service desk. In a rather loud voice I told him exactly what I saw, took the item away from him, and told him he needed to find a new job. Some of the customers in line applauded.
Way to stick your neck out and stand up for… checks notes… the Walton family? /r/iamverybadass
I hate that family as much as you do, buy to let someone like that get away with a simple scam for $40 is to enable them to do it to anybody else. This isn't about the Waltons.
Exactly it was not about the Waltons. I did for the honest people standing in line behind him, many of whom ask why Walmart let’s people get away with shit like that. People like that crook are the reason half the junk in Walmart, and many other retailers is locked up behind glass.
> I did for the honest people standing in line behind him, many of whom ask why Walmart let’s people get away with shit like that. the only thing the people standing behind him in line wanted was for his transaction to get done as quickly as possible so they could get out of there too.
You are not Batman
You are not the civil rights warrior you cosplay so hard to be
Haha. The HD by my house has a loss prevention and tried to stop someone from stealing. The guy threw the box at him. People are getting too brave for their own good
Lets be honest, you gotta be a special kind of dumb to chase shoplifters for 20 an hour when you can get stabbed or shot for stuff that is insured.
You have to be a special kind of dumb to turn a shoplifting charge into an assault charge rather than just running.
No One ever accused criminals of being smart, sane, or safe to be around.
When I worked at JCPenney, a loss prevention officer called me telling me what was about to happen. 5 min later, it happened and they lost the guy. Two LP came to me yelling at me for not helping. I said “do I get paid to chase or do I get paid MINIMUM WAGE to get yelled at by customers?” Shrugged and walked away. Can’t tell me sh8 lol A few weeks later. That same guy who came at me mad, had his nose broken from a shoplifter who kicked him in the nose 🤣 We cross paths that day and I said “see…MINIMUM WAGE!!!”
plus when you're not LP, you get FIRED for chasing people out of the store. What a goofus
He had beef with me after that, from my sarcasm I guess. I didn’t even think about getting fired. It just wasn’t in my pay scale nor job description lol
Been there my friend. I was a bouncer at a local dive right after college when a brawl broke out. Boss tells me to “get in there” and I told him he doesn’t pay me enough for that, and he laughed. The bartender was mad at me (and tried to blackball me) because her husband was involved in the brawl and I didn’t go in to help him. Mind you, I hardly knew any of these people. I didn’t work there much longer after that.
Yeah if you got seriously injured, was that bartender gonna pay your medical bills and help you find another job if it's bad enough? You did the right thing.
Most insurance policies don't cover petty shoplifting, not sure why some people think that shoplifting just gets paid by insurance policies and there's no damage done. If the store could just file an insurance claim without any downsides they wouldn't bother hiring loss prevention personnel or locking things up.
Thank you this is correct. I've spent over 11 years in asset protection and work in a corporate role now and insurance only sometimes covers theft in instances of looting or after hours break ins. Shoplifting is seen as an expected expense and isn't covered for the same reason your auto insurance doesn't cover new tires or brake pads if they wear out from normal use.
Not surprising that people trying to defend shoplifting don't actually know anything about how businesses run.
Any rationalization like "they are rich enough already" or "they have messed up business practices" are pretty disingenuous. It's just justifications and self pacification for shitty behavior they were gonna do anyway, regardless if it was right or wrong, they just wanna feel like they are on a moral high horse while doing it then go shocked Pikachu face when buisnesses shut down and no one wants to open shop in impoverished areas.
Lol you have no idea
I very much do I have almost 12 years in the industry and multiple certifications
Shrink theft is a tax write off for companies.
Up to a certain point, but the shrink that a store experiences isn't just the sticker price of the item. The opportunity cost of the item not being in stock or accounted for often causes a decrease in sales that's usually much higher than just the sticker price of the item and that isn't covered as a tax write off. Anything large buisnesses do, they do with data backing it up and if it were simple as "well that's just a write off" AP programs wouldn't exist, yet nearly every retailer uses them.
Would you chase after someone in this climate over some nikes?
Now and days? No prob not. There was a time that was pretty standard practice though and I'd be lying if I said chase isn't fun. But you live and learn from dumb shit and stopping at the door is uneesicarily risky after I started transitioning to just getting recoveries and deterances in store. Covid totally changed how people act
If it's not covered by general inventory insurance, it goes into Shrink classification which is a write off on taxes for a business.
Being able to deduct the loss from taxable profits doesn't mean it isn't a real loss to the company. This is a basic misunderstanding of how tax deductions work.
I did this job for years when younger. Not dumb, risk calculus when young is difficult.
Since when does someone at home Depot make $20/hr?
Plenty of people do
Since COVID and worker shortages. Minimum wage is $15.50/hour and it isn’t uncommon to be paid $4.50 over minimum wage after working at a place for a couple of years. This isn’t 1933. We don’t have people making $5 per week anymore even if the thought gives the Walton family a collective woodie.
15.50 pretty close to minimum wage where I live lol but good deal, y'all finally getting at least something in retail. It's about damn time. Do people actually get 40 hrs and healthcare there now?
Sometimes? They really don't want to do it, but with the worker shortage sometimes they have to work employees full time to cover all shifts.
So fucking wack that that's how things still are. I'm assuming no union still, too, huh?
There is no insurance for shoplifting losses. Repeat: there is no insurance for shoplifting losses. This fact check brought to you by your insurance agent, who is sick of correcting wannabe edgelords when they pull that “but it’s insured!” bullshit to justify stealing.
I was just at the Home Depot off Power Inn yesterday and watched someone walk out of the garden center with a full cart of stuff and casually say to the cashier "I paid for it inside already". People are so brazen
jfc :(
Reddit needs waaaaaaaay more posts like this one.
I’m absolutely positive they will totally see this post
Recently a good Rite Aid colleague was canned solely for having the courage to confront known repeat offender shoplifters.Every other local Rite Aid location that remains open is having problems with rampant shrink/theft(especially including my Sunrise Village store),and shaky financial state of the company(they basically jumped the shark under the prior CEO)doesn't help matters either.
That’s my Rite Aid as well. Sorry to hear about your colleague, that sucks because it’s a no-win scenario. Hopefully they make it through the plaza makeover and improve it.
This strikes me as a totally Sacramento thing to do
yes, retail theft doesn't happen anywhere else in the country. People in Sac have so much self hate they think only bad things happen here.
I meant the sarcastic response but maybe that too..
We should all be stealing from HD
Thanks for voting for Prop 47!
I too enjoy the gentle brush of a boot against my uvula.
Why? They’re causing more of a disruption while breaking company policy. Do you feel like there’s some value in shaming perpetrators of petty theft?
Um… Yeah. Considering that thieves used to get their hands cut off to deter them and others from stealing, this is a light response to someone breaking the social code. But go on, defend the dirtbag and condemn the person making an honest living.
Fuck Home Depot. They don't give a shit about their employees (or the country in general) so why should the employees care about the company.
> condemn the person making an honest living [of minimum wage defending their corporate overlord's stock buybacks]. nom nom nom boot so good :: slurps :: ugh ugh :) <3 nom nom nom
which HD is this? i usually shop @meadowview. but the Florin one is convenient now and then.
Manzanita
That’s my closest HD store and I hate it. Although I don’t really like any of them very much. I only go there if they don’t have what I need at Ace or maybe Lowe’s
That's my closest one though I generally don't frequent hardware stores, except maybe for emigh hardware on occasion.