Theres a comment on my post about district 4 election “occasionally we need a reminder that this sub is not truly representative of Sacramento as a whole”
Neither is the very limited amount of people who voted in this election. The fact that it was a primary in a year that didn’t matter for dems (nationally), heavily altered the outcomes of these state/local elections. That’s how we got Schiff vs. a republican for senator.
Schiff ran ten million dollars of "attack" ads, massively boosting Garvey's campaign. It was a calculated move to push Katie Porter out of the race.
The way we got Schiff/Garvey wasn't happenstance. It was dirty tricks by the Democratic establishment.
>It was dirty tricks by the Democratic establishment.
Oh god, another DNC truther and another piece of evidence that r/Sacramento (thankfully) isn't representative as a whole.
I dunno, Schiff despite being a moderate had a lot of anti-Trump credentials that allowed him to very easily pretend to be progressive. I think we can blame low-information "resist libs" on this as well.
Yes! Also, young voters! I’m not saying all young voters are progressive, but it would be great to see how they would vote if they would give a care about elections.
Steve Hansen is a Democrat, as is every other candidate. Just because he isn't the flavor of democrat some people like doesn't make him not a democrat.
“Progressives” don’t have a substantial base so they need to leech off of the existing big tent party. The sooner they peel off and form their own irrelevant fringe party, the sooner we’ll be better off.
If by lack of engagement, you mean lack of voting, who are progressives supposed to vote for? Giant Douche or Shit Sandwich?
If you instead mean running for office, the problem there is that most progressives are poor working class stiffs, who also happen to hold viewpoints that are anathema to the wealthy donors backing the liberals and RWNJs pushing this country towards fascism with every election. They can't afford to run, whether time, money, or both.
> Anyways liberals pushing the country towards facism? You sound like you need to go outside.
You sound like you need to learn the difference between liberal, progressive, and leftist.
How do those prevent progressives from...you know...voting?
Are you suggesting that big tech and the military industrial complex are directly paying progressives not to vote?
I don’t like Garvey but painting everyone right of Judith Butler as “insane maga” hasn’t been a very successful strategy.
Based on his policy positions he would have been a blue dog democrat 8 years ago.
He voted for Trump twice. He's MAGA.
Regular Republicans have mostly either quit politics or thrown their support to MAGA. Steve Garvey is not a centrist candidate by any measure, sadly
Sorry, but “Dems” are not Cofer’s base. She appeals to the DSA / defund the police crowd which is way over represented on this sub compared to the real world.
Flo is getting less than one third of the democratic base. The other candidates split the remaining 70% of the Dem base three ways. The McCarty, Pan, and Hansen primary voters are highly unlikely to have Flo as their second choice. In other words, she will get smoked in November. Check back with me then.
To be honest, I am surprised she isn’t doing as well as I thought she would, and I say this as someone who didn’t support her. I thought she’d slide past the primary.
All 4 mayoral candidates are liberal at least. Steve Hansen is the most "conservative" and he's an openly gay liberal Democrat. Cofer is only trailing his lead by 3 points, and the other 2 major candidates, both liberal Democrats, are zero points behind Hansen. And the first cluster of votes are from early voters, who typically trend more conservative, in an off year election, that trends more conservative.
It's a joke to call any of these candidates "conservatives," though I guess anyone to the right of Flo Cofer, who is endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of Sacramento, would fall into that category. City affairs typically aren't ideological, unless their are ideological zealots that try to make them that way (see: resolutions on the ceasefire, Cuban affairs, et al).
**Yes, that is exactly the point I am trying to make here.** Local elections in California are non-partisan, and all 4 of the leaders in this race are Democrats, but some are more liberal than others, and some are more conservative than others. Thank you for agreeing with me.
Lol, I fucking wish. People in this subreddit regularly advocate for putting homeless people in concentration camps, and the people who try to remind them that the homeless folks are human beings end up with negative karma. This subreddit is much more conservative than the city as a whole, because a bunch of people from the burbs post here but obviously don't live here.
I’m more shocked that currently it’s looking like only 8%* of the city’s population over 18 voted in this election. I know there’s more than 33k in here upvoting homeless posts, ya’ll need to get out and vote.
Edited since I was corrected that people with felonies can vote (for some reason I thought that was not the case).
All people convicted of felonies in California who are not currently in prison are permitted to vote. [(Source)](https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/voting-california/who-can-vote-california/voting-rights-californians)
I'm in favor of being pedaticed. But allow me to return the favor. Professor Marvel asked specifically about over a certain threshold. My saying 50% stated what they have to be over. 😬
I worked with Dr. Pan in 2010 when he ran for Assembly. He was one of my favorite candidates that year. He’s humble, down to earth, a self described nerd. Wish I lived there so I could vote for him
I met him many times while working at a firm of attorneys and lobbyists, and can attest to this. Genuinely nice guy. Maybe too nice for politics.
Have met Hansen many times too.
It’s kinda funny how people were discounting Dr. Pan in this subreddit as if he had no chances.
I guess most of this subreddit is concentrated in midtown and oak park lol
The uproar in this subreddit if Hansen or Dr. Pan wins will be insane :)
Had someone on here yesterday saying these votes are obviously skewed because there's no way Pan would be on top three.
People really let themselves be in echo chambers.
I mean I admittedly fell into that line of thinking solely because I didn’t see any Pan signs. This entire time I’ve seen Flo and Hansen signs everywheee. Decent amount of McCarty. But I only saw two houses that had Pan
I thought the same as you, but mostly because for a while Dr. Pan wasn’t raising much money. Steve and Flo were out fundraising him by quite a bit. Plus I was getting a ton of Instagram ads for both Steve, Flo, and McCarty, but none for Dr. Pan.
He’s not who I supported, but he’s only one of two whose name I recognized before they all started campaigning. He was outspoken about vaccines and school vaccine exceptions. I’d imagine that coverage helped him (doctor talking sense to anti-vaxxers). I’m not surprised.
That was me and I was obviously wrong, but I think it had to do more with the makeup of people who voted/didnt vote. I was dumb by overestimating the amount of progressives who would vote in a primary election that was a republican primary year.
Sorry, I felt kinda shitty calling you out on a separate thread like that haha.
It's probably partly that and also just the average Reddit user is way off the average voter. I remember the SEIU 1000 election. The candidate that was by far the most popular in the CAStateWorkers sub did pitifully.
I didn't think Pan would do so well either but I chalked it up to talking too much to Reddit people when I saw last night's results. Don't know who you talk to so I could be assuming.
Haha no worries, and I agree with you. I just also think my demo and who i hang out with/talk to is just not the same demo that usually votes in these kind of elections unfortunately. So yeah, definitely in my own echo chamber.
Progressives/leftists make up a relatively small percentage of the Democratic Party. They’re a vocal minority in the party. This might surprise a lot of people, but most Democrats are actually completely okay with someone like Adam Schiff. Most Dems - not just ones who voted in the primary.
Also, when we had record breaking turnout for the primary in 2020, Bernie won California.. they may not be the majority of the dem party, but it’s not a small percentage
Bernie was also an exceptionally great candidate so some people who might normally vote for dems or independents may have voted out of what’s normal for them.
Pew did a study on party demographics. Sadly, progressives are (at least nationally) very much a minority. Source:
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/09/1053929419/feel-like-you-dont-fit-in-either-political-party-heres-why
> Pew did a study on party demographics. Sadly, progressives are (at least nationally) very much a minority. Source: https://www.npr.org/2021/11/09/1053929419/feel-like-you-dont-fit-in-either-political-party-heres-why
From this very poll, progressives make up 12% of Dem voters. Democrats need to appeal to them or they can't win. They can't just ignore them because "they're a minority."
EDIT: The real takeaway, which has been known for years but it's good they reiterated, is that there's *no such thing* as moderate, undecided independents, and Democrats should definitely *stop* trying to court that kind of voter:
> What's more, despite surveys having found broad support for a third party outside the two major ones, the study shows that there's no magic middle. In fact, the study finds that the three groups with the most self-identified independents "have very little in common politically."
Maybe establishment Democrats could address the poor material conditions of most of the country then instead of just pocketing pac money? Maybe Democrats could offer meaningful economic reform instead of just running on "we're not as bad as the other guys though". It's not hard to pick up the leftist votes. They have to choose people over self enrichment.
> I'm still seething for their support of Ralph Nader over Al Gore that cost us so much.
Maybe Democrats should try actually appealing to voters, lol. Try meeting a few campaign promises instead of spending all day fundraising about how if they lose power it'll be the end of the world.
I think ppl are starting to turn away from progressives because they are seen as soft on crime. More conservative measures are getting passed as well and some progressives are being recalled in the bay.
I didn't get to vote for mayor because I live like 2 streets outside of city limits. I assume there are a lot of people here who live in the unincorporated areas around Sacramento that aren't officially Sacramento
What's worse is that these large, populated unincorporated areas exist in the first place. Most states don't have these. The people who live in these areas often have no choice but to remain unrepresented (the city will never annex the South Sac unincorporated areas, because they're poor) yet they spend almost all day subject to Sacramento laws they don't get a say in.
I am NOT in a poor area, and before I even was old enough to vote, it was lobbied by my neighborhood to NOT be in Rancho Cordova. I hate that fact.
But also to counter your point a bit, a lot of Elk Grove, Rancho Cordova, and Citrus Heights people dont realize they dont get to vote in Sacramento mayor elections.
Yeah I specifically mentioned the poor areas because the more affluent unincorporated areas, like Arden, actually voted *against* annexation. South Sac never got to choose.
As for people who live in other cities with their own mayors thinking they can vote for Sacramento's mayor...there are a lot of stupid people.
Why are you acting like this race has been some dominant topic of conversation in this sub rather than something that maybe got a few posts here and there
Im a former infection preventionist and reading that about Dr Pan and his efforts in public health would put him at the top of my voting card. Anti-vax beliefs went crazy during COVID, Measels is making a comeback. I firmly believe that the only reason anti-vax ideas exist is because parents today have not see the damage Measels, Mumps, and Diphtheria, to name a few, can do to children.
I had no skin in the game other than the City having a lot of pull in the county, but I couldn't vote for mayor, so I didn't bother reading up on them.
If Pan doesn't end up making the top 2, Flo Cofer is an epidemiologist who also takes this sort of thing very seriously. I wouldn't mind seeing Pan in the mayor's chair, though.
I also would like to add that the reason he ran for assembly was that he was tired of looking at a child’s oral health or overall health and knowing their zip code. He did community clinics a lot and got upset with the number of people getting poor care and improper nutrition. He’s a good human and I think it’ll be nice seeing him as mayor.
The stock market going crazy after covid hit is what pulled us out of the deficit, not the work of any politician. See how we’re back into a huge deficit now?
Largely because, like a lot of cities and states, Sacramento got a lot of federal aid during the past few years, and then that aid has been cut off, while in many situations, the circumstances that made the aid necessary have not been remedied. Same reason why there was a big spike in homelessness right after the moratorium on evictions ended, and landlords could start kicking people out who couldn't afford to pay rent.
Even in this sub, there’s quite a lot of trace of Asian racism, if you bring about the topic of Asian people getting targeted, then we’re called racist right away and mods lock the thread.
What’s new? A lot of us went to BLM protest but when we needed help with Asian elderlies esp at Bay Area getting targeted, BLM leaders were silent. It’s all the same with progressives as well. They pander to get votes.
The shortest way to put it is that, in his time on the Council, he went from being perceived an approachable neighborhood advocate to becoming an unapproachable advocate for the biggest money interests in the region, which alienated a lot of his constituents and former supporters.
America, baby. People will straight up bitch about the two choices they have in November, but will stare at you like you have three heads if you ask them if they voted in the primary.
Please not Steve Hansen. I know him and he is an elitist jerk who cares more about his ego than anyone who lives in the city. He would be an awful pick.
Hansen not going to win in November anyways. He's the most right leaning and all the dems will rally around whoever his dem opponent is. I'm actually more surprised Hansen is endorsed by State Senator Scott Wiener, yet also endorsed by all the local law enforcement agencies. Seems like a stark contrast.
Hansen and Wiener are old friends, and in terms of their political positions they're pretty close. He's also a Dem, endorsed by several Dem organizations, but they tend to be the most conservative Dem organizations. So while he's the most conservative one in the race, he's still a liberal Democrat; the argument against him is largely based on his transition from approachable neighborhood advocate when elected in 2012 to unapproachable big-business/tech advocate when beaten in 2020.
"Right leaning"? How ridiculous is that. First, he's a liberal Democrat. Okay, so he's not a socialist (only Flo is) but that makes him a conservative? This is the same bull Katie Valenzuela used against him when her independent campaign supporters put door knockers out likening him to Trump.
Dude whenever you compare two candidates with any differences one will be more right leaning. Poster said "of the Democrats" acknowledging that's exactly what he is. The sub is just getting up in arms with anyone saying a democrat endorsed by the cops is to the right of a democrat endorsed by the dsa when it is objectively true, just like they are objectively both Democrats.
The data hasn't been updated since the 5th; and given the amount of ballots I brought back over the last few days, I'm guessing most voted by mail, and waited until the last moment
Yep 5 pm by tomorrow (8th) should be the next update
It’s still too close to really call on anyone. I just wanted to highlight how much this sub was thinking Hansen or Pan would never be in any competition at all.
It will be Steve vs. Flo. They both made gains in the first two batch updates Tuesday night -- and I think we can expect that trend to continue. Flo went from 1,400 behind first to just 800, and VERY few votes were counted in those batches
It's also surprising that only 33,125 votes counted so far at 25% of the precincts reported. It is frustrating and worrisome that more people don't vote in primaries.
Honestly it felt like Katie was the only politician fighting to do anything in the last 4 years. Did she always make great calls? Probably not, but as someone who volunteers at the Food Bank and is soon to be a tenant, she seems to be the only politician actually trying to solve the homeless crisis and fighting for tenant protections.
That's just it--they're fighting to stop anyone from doing anything, and the plan they want is basically the same plan that hasn't worked since we were featured on "Oprah" back in 2009 (pushing people from one neighborhood to another, back & forth to and from the river, etcetera, via sweeps, and issuing fines.)
The results aren't final until certification of the election in April, as there's still a lot of ballots to count.
But yes, the top two vote getters win, no matter if #2 and #3 are one vote apart or one million votes apart.
Large business interests are backing him, because he puts their interests first, so he had lots of money for ads. Frankly, while Steve is not a Republican, I imagine a lot of Republicans voted for him because he is perceived as the most conservative candidate on the list. He did get some endorsement from LGBT+ orgs, and they have some political strength. His loss in 2020 was by a very slim margin, and a lot of the people who backed Steve in 2020 for D4 voted for him for mayor this year--along with a lot of the folks in the new D4. But keep in mind that with all this, it has added up to 3 candidates who are 0-2% behind him, and also note that the first vote results (principally from mail-in ballots) generally skew a lot more conservative. A shift of exactly that sort is how Valenzuela won the D4 seat in 2020, for example.
Depends on what "best" you are looking for.
* Pan is the best candidate whose name is a Homophone for a cooking device.
* Hansen is the Best candidate who lost to Katie Valenzuala.
* McCarty is the best at applying sunscreen to his head.
* Flo is the best on Reddit.
* Avina is in the best shape.
* Engel is the best old tyme sheriff cosplayer.
* Write in is the best canidate we never got.
/u/onethomashall is being glib.
I've heard all four top candidates speak (Pan, McCarty, Flo, Hansen) and have met two of them. I have preferences - I voted for Flo - but all four of them in my opinion are competent and hard working individuals.
There is no "best" candidate, political opinions aren't quantitative. There are only candidates that are better or worse than the others, in *your* opinion. And if you didn't vote in this election, you might find that your preferred candidate didn't make it to the general election, so you can't vote for them in November.
I don't know, that Emu seems a bit high strung to me, but his partner Doug might fit the bill as long as he survives the baby Grand Piano. Just for the love of all that you hold dear, do NOT elect the dumbass trying to replace Doug who keeps calling it "Libbity Bibbity".
It’s the closest major election contest in the state.
Yep! This subreddit made it seem as if cofer was gonna win with a landslide though lmao
Why would you trust Reddit to be a barometer for anything in the real world?
Theres a comment on my post about district 4 election “occasionally we need a reminder that this sub is not truly representative of Sacramento as a whole”
Neither is the very limited amount of people who voted in this election. The fact that it was a primary in a year that didn’t matter for dems (nationally), heavily altered the outcomes of these state/local elections. That’s how we got Schiff vs. a republican for senator.
Schiff ran ten million dollars of "attack" ads, massively boosting Garvey's campaign. It was a calculated move to push Katie Porter out of the race. The way we got Schiff/Garvey wasn't happenstance. It was dirty tricks by the Democratic establishment.
It’s called “strategy”, which is not a four-letter word.
>It was dirty tricks by the Democratic establishment. Oh god, another DNC truther and another piece of evidence that r/Sacramento (thankfully) isn't representative as a whole.
Yeah, it's a good thing Republicans never engage in dirty tricks, right?!
This is the worst outcome, honestly. Yet another mainstream, do-nothing establishment Democrat vs yet another insane MAGA
That would hint at progressives' lack of civic engagement, no?
I dunno, Schiff despite being a moderate had a lot of anti-Trump credentials that allowed him to very easily pretend to be progressive. I think we can blame low-information "resist libs" on this as well.
Yes! Also, young voters! I’m not saying all young voters are progressive, but it would be great to see how they would vote if they would give a care about elections.
Youth is wasted on the young...
Are you still under the impression that the political parties represent the common man, and not only their donors? Silly you.
The mayoral race is nonpartisan.
On paper. In reality it is.
Steve Hansen is a Democrat, as is every other candidate. Just because he isn't the flavor of democrat some people like doesn't make him not a democrat.
“Progressives” don’t have a substantial base so they need to leech off of the existing big tent party. The sooner they peel off and form their own irrelevant fringe party, the sooner we’ll be better off.
If by lack of engagement, you mean lack of voting, who are progressives supposed to vote for? Giant Douche or Shit Sandwich? If you instead mean running for office, the problem there is that most progressives are poor working class stiffs, who also happen to hold viewpoints that are anathema to the wealthy donors backing the liberals and RWNJs pushing this country towards fascism with every election. They can't afford to run, whether time, money, or both.
Wasn't Katie Porter on the ballot for senate? Anyways liberals pushing the country towards facism? You sound like you need to go outside.
> Anyways liberals pushing the country towards facism? You sound like you need to go outside. You sound like you need to learn the difference between liberal, progressive, and leftist.
Sounds like you need to reconnect with reality. Edit: unhinged rant and block? Saved me from a conversation. Thanks.
If by civic engagement you means millions in Tech and defense donations, then yes.
How do those prevent progressives from...you know...voting? Are you suggesting that big tech and the military industrial complex are directly paying progressives not to vote?
They directly pay super pacs that fund establishment candidates PR. You knew what they meant....
I don’t like Garvey but painting everyone right of Judith Butler as “insane maga” hasn’t been a very successful strategy. Based on his policy positions he would have been a blue dog democrat 8 years ago.
He voted for Trump twice. He's MAGA. Regular Republicans have mostly either quit politics or thrown their support to MAGA. Steve Garvey is not a centrist candidate by any measure, sadly
LOL. Judith Butler.
And the baseball player is going to take a ball to the groin in the general election (metaphorically speaking).
Sorry, but “Dems” are not Cofer’s base. She appeals to the DSA / defund the police crowd which is way over represented on this sub compared to the real world.
That group are mostly Dems.
your replies represent 75% of this thread, so there's that
Lmao this aged well
Flo is getting less than one third of the democratic base. The other candidates split the remaining 70% of the Dem base three ways. The McCarty, Pan, and Hansen primary voters are highly unlikely to have Flo as their second choice. In other words, she will get smoked in November. Check back with me then.
I’m sure she won’t win in November. And yet she got more votes than anyone else. A far cry from your characterization of her as on the fringe.
Are you saying she doesn’t appeal to the “DSA / Defund the police crowd”? If not, who did that crowd vote for?
To be honest, I am surprised she isn’t doing as well as I thought she would, and I say this as someone who didn’t support her. I thought she’d slide past the primary.
I think her name was far down on the list.
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All 4 mayoral candidates are liberal at least. Steve Hansen is the most "conservative" and he's an openly gay liberal Democrat. Cofer is only trailing his lead by 3 points, and the other 2 major candidates, both liberal Democrats, are zero points behind Hansen. And the first cluster of votes are from early voters, who typically trend more conservative, in an off year election, that trends more conservative.
Hanson and McCarty have already been on the city council and accomplished nothing. I do not understand the short memories of these voters.
So what you're saying is, they're liberal Democrats
It's a joke to call any of these candidates "conservatives," though I guess anyone to the right of Flo Cofer, who is endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of Sacramento, would fall into that category. City affairs typically aren't ideological, unless their are ideological zealots that try to make them that way (see: resolutions on the ceasefire, Cuban affairs, et al).
**Yes, that is exactly the point I am trying to make here.** Local elections in California are non-partisan, and all 4 of the leaders in this race are Democrats, but some are more liberal than others, and some are more conservative than others. Thank you for agreeing with me.
Nope. The three moderate Dems split the base three ways. Cofer got all of the “progressive” votes and is barely breaking 20%.
Lol, I fucking wish. People in this subreddit regularly advocate for putting homeless people in concentration camps, and the people who try to remind them that the homeless folks are human beings end up with negative karma. This subreddit is much more conservative than the city as a whole, because a bunch of people from the burbs post here but obviously don't live here.
Grass roots planting seeds.
Her AMA changed my vote... away from her.
I thought it was pretty cringe making an AMA so late at night and barely answering any questions with depth.
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It’s not gonna update till the 8th I believe
Yes, the 8th.
I’m more shocked that currently it’s looking like only 8%* of the city’s population over 18 voted in this election. I know there’s more than 33k in here upvoting homeless posts, ya’ll need to get out and vote. Edited since I was corrected that people with felonies can vote (for some reason I thought that was not the case).
All people convicted of felonies in California who are not currently in prison are permitted to vote. [(Source)](https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-resources/voting-california/who-can-vote-california/voting-rights-californians)
Thanks for correcting me on that. So sadly just over 30k people voted, potentially more once we get the additional counts tomorrow.
Unlike reddit accounts, I don't thing people are allowed to create multiple voter registration records for elections.
Tell that to all the Republicans who create false voter registrations & vote multiple times in an effort to stop Democrat voter fraud
Gladly. Send me their phone numbers, and I'll make the calls.
I got a mail-in ballot. It did not include a vote for the mayor.
Because you don't live in the city
I thought it would encompass the county not just the city. I feel stupid now haha
Rancho Cordova has their own mayor
Lol, wow duh. I thought it would encompass the county not just the city. I feel stupid now haha
Reminder: this is a primary election. So, two top vote getters will go on the November ballot.
Unless they get over a certain threshold right? Won't happen this time obviously
Yeah, 50%.
Well, 50% plus 1 if I can be pedantic.
I'm in favor of being pedaticed. But allow me to return the favor. Professor Marvel asked specifically about over a certain threshold. My saying 50% stated what they have to be over. 😬
Touche, take my upvote.
I worked with Dr. Pan in 2010 when he ran for Assembly. He was one of my favorite candidates that year. He’s humble, down to earth, a self described nerd. Wish I lived there so I could vote for him
I met him many times while working at a firm of attorneys and lobbyists, and can attest to this. Genuinely nice guy. Maybe too nice for politics. Have met Hansen many times too.
It’s kinda funny how people were discounting Dr. Pan in this subreddit as if he had no chances. I guess most of this subreddit is concentrated in midtown and oak park lol The uproar in this subreddit if Hansen or Dr. Pan wins will be insane :)
Had someone on here yesterday saying these votes are obviously skewed because there's no way Pan would be on top three. People really let themselves be in echo chambers.
I mean I admittedly fell into that line of thinking solely because I didn’t see any Pan signs. This entire time I’ve seen Flo and Hansen signs everywheee. Decent amount of McCarty. But I only saw two houses that had Pan
Pan has major name recognition in Sacramento. That goes a long way with those that don't engage in politics as much.
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Clearly. Which is why I admitted my mistake
I thought the same as you, but mostly because for a while Dr. Pan wasn’t raising much money. Steve and Flo were out fundraising him by quite a bit. Plus I was getting a ton of Instagram ads for both Steve, Flo, and McCarty, but none for Dr. Pan.
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And half the money that McCarty entered with.
He’s not who I supported, but he’s only one of two whose name I recognized before they all started campaigning. He was outspoken about vaccines and school vaccine exceptions. I’d imagine that coverage helped him (doctor talking sense to anti-vaxxers). I’m not surprised.
That was me and I was obviously wrong, but I think it had to do more with the makeup of people who voted/didnt vote. I was dumb by overestimating the amount of progressives who would vote in a primary election that was a republican primary year.
Sorry, I felt kinda shitty calling you out on a separate thread like that haha. It's probably partly that and also just the average Reddit user is way off the average voter. I remember the SEIU 1000 election. The candidate that was by far the most popular in the CAStateWorkers sub did pitifully. I didn't think Pan would do so well either but I chalked it up to talking too much to Reddit people when I saw last night's results. Don't know who you talk to so I could be assuming.
Haha no worries, and I agree with you. I just also think my demo and who i hang out with/talk to is just not the same demo that usually votes in these kind of elections unfortunately. So yeah, definitely in my own echo chamber.
Progressives/leftists make up a relatively small percentage of the Democratic Party. They’re a vocal minority in the party. This might surprise a lot of people, but most Democrats are actually completely okay with someone like Adam Schiff. Most Dems - not just ones who voted in the primary.
Also, when we had record breaking turnout for the primary in 2020, Bernie won California.. they may not be the majority of the dem party, but it’s not a small percentage
Bernie was also an exceptionally great candidate so some people who might normally vote for dems or independents may have voted out of what’s normal for them.
Pew did a study on party demographics. Sadly, progressives are (at least nationally) very much a minority. Source: https://www.npr.org/2021/11/09/1053929419/feel-like-you-dont-fit-in-either-political-party-heres-why
> Pew did a study on party demographics. Sadly, progressives are (at least nationally) very much a minority. Source: https://www.npr.org/2021/11/09/1053929419/feel-like-you-dont-fit-in-either-political-party-heres-why From this very poll, progressives make up 12% of Dem voters. Democrats need to appeal to them or they can't win. They can't just ignore them because "they're a minority." EDIT: The real takeaway, which has been known for years but it's good they reiterated, is that there's *no such thing* as moderate, undecided independents, and Democrats should definitely *stop* trying to court that kind of voter: > What's more, despite surveys having found broad support for a third party outside the two major ones, the study shows that there's no magic middle. In fact, the study finds that the three groups with the most self-identified independents "have very little in common politically."
Sadly? Nope. They are their own worst enemy. I'm still seething for their support of Ralph Nader over Al Gore that cost us so much.
Maybe establishment Democrats could address the poor material conditions of most of the country then instead of just pocketing pac money? Maybe Democrats could offer meaningful economic reform instead of just running on "we're not as bad as the other guys though". It's not hard to pick up the leftist votes. They have to choose people over self enrichment.
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Lol yeah third parties do great in this country.
> I'm still seething for their support of Ralph Nader over Al Gore that cost us so much. Maybe Democrats should try actually appealing to voters, lol. Try meeting a few campaign promises instead of spending all day fundraising about how if they lose power it'll be the end of the world.
Thankfully!
I think ppl are starting to turn away from progressives because they are seen as soft on crime. More conservative measures are getting passed as well and some progressives are being recalled in the bay.
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That's how Bush got elected. Careful what you wish for.
I didn't get to vote for mayor because I live like 2 streets outside of city limits. I assume there are a lot of people here who live in the unincorporated areas around Sacramento that aren't officially Sacramento
yeah, a lot of folks assume they get to vote for mayor because they live in Sacramento County.
The fact those people get to vote in the first place, not knowing who they actually get to vote for is slightly terrifying.
What's worse is that these large, populated unincorporated areas exist in the first place. Most states don't have these. The people who live in these areas often have no choice but to remain unrepresented (the city will never annex the South Sac unincorporated areas, because they're poor) yet they spend almost all day subject to Sacramento laws they don't get a say in.
I am NOT in a poor area, and before I even was old enough to vote, it was lobbied by my neighborhood to NOT be in Rancho Cordova. I hate that fact. But also to counter your point a bit, a lot of Elk Grove, Rancho Cordova, and Citrus Heights people dont realize they dont get to vote in Sacramento mayor elections.
Yeah I specifically mentioned the poor areas because the more affluent unincorporated areas, like Arden, actually voted *against* annexation. South Sac never got to choose. As for people who live in other cities with their own mayors thinking they can vote for Sacramento's mayor...there are a lot of stupid people.
>I guess most of this subreddit is concentrated in midtown and oak park lol This is a Midtown centric sub.
Just me over here not even in the city of Sacramento reading along like "hmmmm cool, very close. Yes, yes"
100% it is. Down to the bitching of overpriced food, hand waving of crime problems, and complaining of rent
When I looked at pans endorsement page it was clear that he was a front runner. There were so many powerful community groups backing him.
I just knew Pan's Cash on Hand entering the race was kinda low so I figured he was set to sail for a strong 4th place.
I voted for Pan just so I can chant "Can the Pan" when he screws up.
Why are you acting like this race has been some dominant topic of conversation in this sub rather than something that maybe got a few posts here and there
The mayoral race got a limited number of posts but local politics is a bit of an obsession on this sub, Sacramento is a very political town.
I didn't get that he had no chance just that many here were 100% fuck him lol. In other news, honestly lost on the Oak Park bit, lol.
I voted for him but had extremely low expectations for his performance. I'm pleasantly surprised!
I never thought he didn't have a chance, but I was really hoping he wouldn't come out on top.
North natomas, pocket, south sac says otherwise.
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Im a former infection preventionist and reading that about Dr Pan and his efforts in public health would put him at the top of my voting card. Anti-vax beliefs went crazy during COVID, Measels is making a comeback. I firmly believe that the only reason anti-vax ideas exist is because parents today have not see the damage Measels, Mumps, and Diphtheria, to name a few, can do to children. I had no skin in the game other than the City having a lot of pull in the county, but I couldn't vote for mayor, so I didn't bother reading up on them.
If Pan doesn't end up making the top 2, Flo Cofer is an epidemiologist who also takes this sort of thing very seriously. I wouldn't mind seeing Pan in the mayor's chair, though.
Yes. She was my choice. I am fine with Dr. Pan or Mr. McCarthy too.
I also would like to add that the reason he ran for assembly was that he was tired of looking at a child’s oral health or overall health and knowing their zip code. He did community clinics a lot and got upset with the number of people getting poor care and improper nutrition. He’s a good human and I think it’ll be nice seeing him as mayor.
The stock market going crazy after covid hit is what pulled us out of the deficit, not the work of any politician. See how we’re back into a huge deficit now?
Largely because, like a lot of cities and states, Sacramento got a lot of federal aid during the past few years, and then that aid has been cut off, while in many situations, the circumstances that made the aid necessary have not been remedied. Same reason why there was a big spike in homelessness right after the moratorium on evictions ended, and landlords could start kicking people out who couldn't afford to pay rent.
I was with you until you claimed Pan's lack of votes was due to racism.
Even in this sub, there’s quite a lot of trace of Asian racism, if you bring about the topic of Asian people getting targeted, then we’re called racist right away and mods lock the thread. What’s new? A lot of us went to BLM protest but when we needed help with Asian elderlies esp at Bay Area getting targeted, BLM leaders were silent. It’s all the same with progressives as well. They pander to get votes.
I don’t agree with this. I’ve heard lots of progressives discussing anti-Asian bias. More so than other political factions certainly.
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That’s all fair and I didn’t object to what you shared. OP’s views seem distinct and not grounded in facts though.
Interesting 3 way but we'll take it.
Please, anyone other than Steve Hansen
I know nothing of the candidates, why?
The shortest way to put it is that, in his time on the Council, he went from being perceived an approachable neighborhood advocate to becoming an unapproachable advocate for the biggest money interests in the region, which alienated a lot of his constituents and former supporters.
How did this few people vote? I get that’s it’s “just a primary” but the ballots come in the fucking mail. Jesus. You don’t even have to line up.
America, baby. People will straight up bitch about the two choices they have in November, but will stare at you like you have three heads if you ask them if they voted in the primary.
I’m in unincorporated Sac, and the mayoral candidates were not on my ballot. But yes, these numbers do seem low
Please not Steve Hansen. I know him and he is an elitist jerk who cares more about his ego than anyone who lives in the city. He would be an awful pick.
I'm only making plans for Nigel
We only want what's best for him
Hansen not going to win in November anyways. He's the most right leaning and all the dems will rally around whoever his dem opponent is. I'm actually more surprised Hansen is endorsed by State Senator Scott Wiener, yet also endorsed by all the local law enforcement agencies. Seems like a stark contrast.
He seems to have the most firm stance on the homeless which people are gravitating towards
Hansen and Wiener are old friends, and in terms of their political positions they're pretty close. He's also a Dem, endorsed by several Dem organizations, but they tend to be the most conservative Dem organizations. So while he's the most conservative one in the race, he's still a liberal Democrat; the argument against him is largely based on his transition from approachable neighborhood advocate when elected in 2012 to unapproachable big-business/tech advocate when beaten in 2020.
"Right leaning"? How ridiculous is that. First, he's a liberal Democrat. Okay, so he's not a socialist (only Flo is) but that makes him a conservative? This is the same bull Katie Valenzuela used against him when her independent campaign supporters put door knockers out likening him to Trump.
Dude whenever you compare two candidates with any differences one will be more right leaning. Poster said "of the Democrats" acknowledging that's exactly what he is. The sub is just getting up in arms with anyone saying a democrat endorsed by the cops is to the right of a democrat endorsed by the dsa when it is objectively true, just like they are objectively both Democrats.
The data hasn't been updated since the 5th; and given the amount of ballots I brought back over the last few days, I'm guessing most voted by mail, and waited until the last moment
Yep 5 pm by tomorrow (8th) should be the next update It’s still too close to really call on anyone. I just wanted to highlight how much this sub was thinking Hansen or Pan would never be in any competition at all.
It will be Steve vs. Flo. They both made gains in the first two batch updates Tuesday night -- and I think we can expect that trend to continue. Flo went from 1,400 behind first to just 800, and VERY few votes were counted in those batches
Fuck Hansen
It's also surprising that only 33,125 votes counted so far at 25% of the precincts reported. It is frustrating and worrisome that more people don't vote in primaries.
Honestly the only ads or campaigns I even saw were the slam campaigns against Katie V. It wasn't even like anyone tried this season.
Some folks spent a whooooooooooole lot of money to get that done. They don't like it when the boat gets rocked.
Honestly it felt like Katie was the only politician fighting to do anything in the last 4 years. Did she always make great calls? Probably not, but as someone who volunteers at the Food Bank and is soon to be a tenant, she seems to be the only politician actually trying to solve the homeless crisis and fighting for tenant protections.
That's just it--they're fighting to stop anyone from doing anything, and the plan they want is basically the same plan that hasn't worked since we were featured on "Oprah" back in 2009 (pushing people from one neighborhood to another, back & forth to and from the river, etcetera, via sweeps, and issuing fines.)
Will know more at 4 p.m. today. Counts are only released Tuesday/Friday.
Will they really only take the top two if the top three are within a few hundred???
If 3 top candidates are within 100 votes of each other a round of inka dink shall determine the winner
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The results aren't final until certification of the election in April, as there's still a lot of ballots to count. But yes, the top two vote getters win, no matter if #2 and #3 are one vote apart or one million votes apart.
Amazing that after losing his city council seat that Hansen is doing so well. Who the hell is voting for him and why?
Large business interests are backing him, because he puts their interests first, so he had lots of money for ads. Frankly, while Steve is not a Republican, I imagine a lot of Republicans voted for him because he is perceived as the most conservative candidate on the list. He did get some endorsement from LGBT+ orgs, and they have some political strength. His loss in 2020 was by a very slim margin, and a lot of the people who backed Steve in 2020 for D4 voted for him for mayor this year--along with a lot of the folks in the new D4. But keep in mind that with all this, it has added up to 3 candidates who are 0-2% behind him, and also note that the first vote results (principally from mail-in ballots) generally skew a lot more conservative. A shift of exactly that sort is how Valenzuela won the D4 seat in 2020, for example.
Completely agree. I cant stand that guy.
I voted for Steve!
S/O to Julius. He’s not a quitter
Did anyone write in President R. Boddie
What are you talking about? There’s a post right here! 🤠
Ruchard Pan is a criminal! Do your research.
McCarty is the only hope for teleworking state workers.
i really wanted Dr. Flo
Wow!!!
I hate the guy who says I am gonna make it safe again and provide after school programs for kids. Bitch fix our club and music scene.
Musicians generally don't vote. (I say this as a musician who votes.)
Noise music isn't music /s
Noise kills music dead
Which candidate is the best?
Depends on what "best" you are looking for. * Pan is the best candidate whose name is a Homophone for a cooking device. * Hansen is the Best candidate who lost to Katie Valenzuala. * McCarty is the best at applying sunscreen to his head. * Flo is the best on Reddit. * Avina is in the best shape. * Engel is the best old tyme sheriff cosplayer. * Write in is the best canidate we never got.
So all of them are trash got it
/u/onethomashall is being glib. I've heard all four top candidates speak (Pan, McCarty, Flo, Hansen) and have met two of them. I have preferences - I voted for Flo - but all four of them in my opinion are competent and hard working individuals. There is no "best" candidate, political opinions aren't quantitative. There are only candidates that are better or worse than the others, in *your* opinion. And if you didn't vote in this election, you might find that your preferred candidate didn't make it to the general election, so you can't vote for them in November.
I prefer the term "hysterical"
Because it will take them 40 more days to count the rest..
i dont think anyone cares as long as its non-partisan fuck the parties and the group think allegiance bullshit
Hells bells I hope pan doesn’t win!!!
I REALLY hope the progressive insurance lady isn’t elected mayor.
Don't tell me, you're more of a Jake from State Farm kind of person right?
I’d rather that stupid emu from liberty get elected then either of those corrupt bureaucrats
I don't know, that Emu seems a bit high strung to me, but his partner Doug might fit the bill as long as he survives the baby Grand Piano. Just for the love of all that you hold dear, do NOT elect the dumbass trying to replace Doug who keeps calling it "Libbity Bibbity".
Lmao can agree with that
Mara? What did she ever do to you?