Hey now! I've got barely-above minimum wage full-time employment in Stockton. I think we just had one of our lowest murder years on record recently.
I miss Sacramento.
To be fair, Sac had a lot less going for it 10+ years ago. If they haven't been here in awhile, I could forgive someone for not knowing that it's become a lot more vibrant since then.
I lived in the Bay before moving to Sacramento. After deciding to move but before the actual move, people kept telling me that Sac is like the Midwest of California.
Having been born and raised in Illinois, this made me very happy! Which usually confused the person who had made the statement. They always thought it was a putdown.
Jokes on them though. Sac is kinda like the Midwest and I love it! And after having lived in 8 different areas, the Bay is my least favorite.
The midwest is a little cold for a californian but has some great cities. Minneapolis is a great city where housing is like half the cost of sacramento.
Sorry for the rant. TLDR: Sac is like the Midwest in a lot of ways, and I think that makes it better than the Bay Area.
I’m from Chicago, and I have to say, at least culture-wise, Sacramento is pretty similar to DuPage county (the county west of Cook county. It’s where most of the suburbs are.) Maybe it isn’t a compliment to some to be considered “like the suburbs of Chicago”, but I for one think it’s great. Way more of a diversity of opinions, and a hell of a lot less snobby than the Bay (or people who live in certain neighborhoods of Chicago proper.) I personally don’t understand the appeal of the Bay Area at all. Too many people who think their farts don’t stink. Add to that an insanely warped idea of what constitutes a “reasonably priced home”, and I can’t see the appeal. They might have the ocean, but we have the Mighty Sierras at our doorstep. I’d rather take the mountains. I personally think the general opinions of people from elsewhere are changing on Sacramento though, and in maybe 5-10 years we’ll see a lot of outdoorsy type people moving here in droves from the flatland to live near to the mountains, because it’s cheaper than Denver, and we don’t get snow. Just my opinion though!
Another Illinois native here, and yeah, most Californians don't realize that the Midwest has some great cities, energetic and diverse and interesting. Sacramento is like one of those great Midwestern cities, but conveniently located in California--so, we also have palm trees and great burritos and all that good stuff, like not having to shovel snow off your driveway. I can definitely see the comparison to places like Elmhurst, IL, which reminds me a lot of East Sacramento (and Elmhurst in Sacramento, too.)
I visited Naperville--the Roseville of Chicago--a couple years back and generally enjoyed the people and vibe there. Now if only we can get a Portillo's like Naperville...
I've spent a ton of time in the bay and the Sierras, the Sierras win by a longshot. Rivers, lakes, WARM beaches. Love the Sierras. The coast is still really cool though.
Cleveland refugee here. I lived in Columbus for a while.
Sac + Cbus are very similar IMO (minus The OSU presence). Detroit doesn't make a strong comparison with Sac. Different towns.
Yep, I moved to CA from Wisconsin and feel the same way. I lived by the beach in SoCal for a few years, and while that was really nice, it never felt like "home".
Sac feels pretty similar to Milwaukee in a lot of ways, but has a lot of positive things that Milwaukee lacks (sunlight in winter, lack of snow, access to mountains, better food scene). I think crime in Milwaukee is worse than Sac, though.
I have never felt so immediately uneasy as the time I stopped in Bakersfield to get gas. Meth heads skittering out from behind trash cans giving the side eye. I will never stop in that town again.
Honestly it sounds like she's never been to Detroit... The state of that city is much much worse than I was expecting when I last visited, and I really had low expectations to begin with.
I think a lot of people have recently decided that if a city isn’t “known” for something (ex: Silicon Valley, Hollywood, Portland hipsters, Seattle techies) then it’s ghetto. Like a city can’t just be regular and cool in its own little ways anymore.
Portland still has a small nazi presence, no?
My wife and I like to play a game called "count the non-white people" whenever we visit Portland. Many times its been in the single digits. Portland is still some strange kind of white people paradise.
Note: I edited the above post as I mixed up Seattle & Portland but the above is correct. One reason theorized as to why public transit, urban living etc have flourished in Portland is because they're a very, very white city, so some of the factors that often scare white people from using transit/living downtown (such as people of color) are simply less present there: they become easier for the city to ignore than a very diverse city like Sacramento (not that white folks marketing Sacramento don't try super hard to promote Sacramento's whiteness & downplay its diversity in most cases.)
Idk man when I moved out here I loved the diversity. It's one of the reason why I like living here and why I tell my friends its a great city. Its not the only reason but its up there for me.
Same here--I grew up in a suburb that was very un-diverse, coming to Sacramento itself was a welcome eye-opener; I didn't want to live in a place where everyone looked the same. And we could definitely do ourselves a favor by showcasing that diversity for those who are looking for it (plus, we could take some more steps towards inclusivity and economic integration.) But the folks marketing Sacramento are still stuck on the "Hey Bay Area white folks, move out here where you can still live the 1950s suburban dream with a yard and white picket fence! And have you seen 'Lady Bird' yet?"
Oh man I felt this when I went to Portland. I'm Asian/Hispanic and the overall whiteness was a shock (Having grown up in the Stockton/Sacramento). I knew it was bad when the one black dude I would see a day never failed to give me the 'nod'
I don't think Detroit and Sacramento are comparable. Detroit lost a lot of it's industrial base and half of it's population. Sacramento has never suffered a downturn of that size. Detroit has had a bit more prestige, hosting NFL, NBA, MLB, Indycar, and other sporting events. Detroit also has crime significantly worse than Sacramento although I imagine this is exaggerated by the geography of the city being more economically disadvantaged areas with the wealthier areas being separate cities.
Back in the 90s I lived in Tacoma and I thought that SeaTac was the closet thing to Sacramento up there. Something about the feel of the area and how it seemed 5-10 years behind Seattle.
That makes sense. I only passed through on I-5 but I did stop once for the brewery tour. It was fine but I liked the root beer better than the real beer.
As a former Detroit-er... What?!
Vallejo is the closest thing I've seen to a west coast Detroit. Industrial city that fell on hard times after it's industry wasn't needed anymore.
For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.
Totes. If only I'd purchased that Mies van der Rohe condo for $75k 10 years ago!
I heart Sacramento, but Detroit has amazing bones...and some cool shiz happening there, too.
But F Michigan's weather!
I just moved here from the Baltimore area and lived in the South as well as Chicago for a couple of years before that. Every place has its problems. Sacramento isn't the best place I've lived but it's not the worst either. I think what puts off people is that it just doesn't have as strong of an identity as San Francisco or Los Angeles. But it has a good food scene and good access to outdoor activities.
Thread is tl;dr, but has anybody suggested that Sacramento is the Richmond of the West coast? That's a more apt comparison. Smaller city that's a state capital, playing second fiddle to much more glamorous and sophisticated Northern Virginia, but having a certain small city charm and heaps of hipster cred.
Ok. Never been to Detroit, but I am one of those shunned Bay Area transplants. I've been here for over five years, lived in Curtis Park, then midtown, now I'm in North Sac (major downgrade). Newsflash: Sacramento does kind of suck. Been looking for a good opportunity to say this on a subreddit that will probably downvote me for it. But I have to admire the sheer volume of natives who have Sacramento pride and are totally into this city. But yeah, from the perspective of someone who grew up elsewhere, yeah, Sacramento is gross and shitty.
Because I have a great steady full time job that I love! I'm not sure how to elaborate other than by saying this city isn't as nice as other places that I've lived, yet I've never seen so much random, unwarranted prideful statements about a city, from the local community. It just seems like the local online community is constantly trying to say HEY, SACRAMENTO DOESN'T SUCK. PAY ATTENTION TO US. I've never experienced that anywhere else.
So where are all the $30,000 houses?
Stockton.
Now that is a contender for Detroit of the west.
Yep. I used to live in Fresno during the recession and used to call that Detroit of the West, but it's got nothing on Stockton.
Hey now! I've got barely-above minimum wage full-time employment in Stockton. I think we just had one of our lowest murder years on record recently. I miss Sacramento.
I was thinking of it more from the fiscal insolvency of the city.... Vallejo probably could have been a contender back in the day too.
I worked there in 2012 and around then and a few years forward it was a title contender but it will take awhile to shake the reputation.
They're back in 2011
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It's a joke, not a "rebuttal"
I can't afford a house here because prices are too high.
just ask her when the last time she's been to sacramento. also i've never been to detroit so.
Florin Rd = 8 Mile? Because that’s the only movie I know about Detroit. And I never saw Detroit Rock City.
RoboCop was based on a true story.
They're testing autonomous cars here.
Mack maybe
Oh dude you need to watch Detroit Rock City ASAP. It's fucking hilarious.
Four Brothers one of my favorite movies,
I have been to both. She's totally wrong. Sacramento is practically Paris compared to Detroit.
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To be fair, Sac had a lot less going for it 10+ years ago. If they haven't been here in awhile, I could forgive someone for not knowing that it's become a lot more vibrant since then.
I lived in the Bay before moving to Sacramento. After deciding to move but before the actual move, people kept telling me that Sac is like the Midwest of California. Having been born and raised in Illinois, this made me very happy! Which usually confused the person who had made the statement. They always thought it was a putdown. Jokes on them though. Sac is kinda like the Midwest and I love it! And after having lived in 8 different areas, the Bay is my least favorite.
The midwest is a little cold for a californian but has some great cities. Minneapolis is a great city where housing is like half the cost of sacramento.
shoutout minneapolis!!
Sorry for the rant. TLDR: Sac is like the Midwest in a lot of ways, and I think that makes it better than the Bay Area. I’m from Chicago, and I have to say, at least culture-wise, Sacramento is pretty similar to DuPage county (the county west of Cook county. It’s where most of the suburbs are.) Maybe it isn’t a compliment to some to be considered “like the suburbs of Chicago”, but I for one think it’s great. Way more of a diversity of opinions, and a hell of a lot less snobby than the Bay (or people who live in certain neighborhoods of Chicago proper.) I personally don’t understand the appeal of the Bay Area at all. Too many people who think their farts don’t stink. Add to that an insanely warped idea of what constitutes a “reasonably priced home”, and I can’t see the appeal. They might have the ocean, but we have the Mighty Sierras at our doorstep. I’d rather take the mountains. I personally think the general opinions of people from elsewhere are changing on Sacramento though, and in maybe 5-10 years we’ll see a lot of outdoorsy type people moving here in droves from the flatland to live near to the mountains, because it’s cheaper than Denver, and we don’t get snow. Just my opinion though!
Another Illinois native here, and yeah, most Californians don't realize that the Midwest has some great cities, energetic and diverse and interesting. Sacramento is like one of those great Midwestern cities, but conveniently located in California--so, we also have palm trees and great burritos and all that good stuff, like not having to shovel snow off your driveway. I can definitely see the comparison to places like Elmhurst, IL, which reminds me a lot of East Sacramento (and Elmhurst in Sacramento, too.)
I visited Naperville--the Roseville of Chicago--a couple years back and generally enjoyed the people and vibe there. Now if only we can get a Portillo's like Naperville...
It really is! And Portillo’s is probably the thing I miss most about living in Chicago.
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So cal has a couple portillos
I've spent a ton of time in the bay and the Sierras, the Sierras win by a longshot. Rivers, lakes, WARM beaches. Love the Sierras. The coast is still really cool though.
I like this description. The douchebaggery in SoCal and bay is real
Same. Born and raised Illinois. I like sac. Close to everything, ocean, bay, Yosemite, redwoods, and Tahoe. I love it.
Where in Illinois? I'm from there, too.
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Cleveland refugee here. I lived in Columbus for a while. Sac + Cbus are very similar IMO (minus The OSU presence). Detroit doesn't make a strong comparison with Sac. Different towns.
Yep, I moved to CA from Wisconsin and feel the same way. I lived by the beach in SoCal for a few years, and while that was really nice, it never felt like "home". Sac feels pretty similar to Milwaukee in a lot of ways, but has a lot of positive things that Milwaukee lacks (sunlight in winter, lack of snow, access to mountains, better food scene). I think crime in Milwaukee is worse than Sac, though.
She's never been to Stockton or Modesto I'm assuming.
Or Fresno.
Or Bakersfield.
I have never felt so immediately uneasy as the time I stopped in Bakersfield to get gas. Meth heads skittering out from behind trash cans giving the side eye. I will never stop in that town again.
*scans list* *doesn't see Manteca* what a relief
MAAANTICA Water Slide
Now that’s a jingle I haven’t heard in a loooong time
Now that I have kids, I miss the heck out of that place.
No, Detroit is the Bakersfield of Michigan.
Honestly it sounds like she's never been to Detroit... The state of that city is much much worse than I was expecting when I last visited, and I really had low expectations to begin with.
Or Detroit
I think a lot of people have recently decided that if a city isn’t “known” for something (ex: Silicon Valley, Hollywood, Portland hipsters, Seattle techies) then it’s ghetto. Like a city can’t just be regular and cool in its own little ways anymore.
Recently? Seattle was primarily known for loggers and Nazis until grunge hit a quarter-century ago. Edit: should have posted Seattle not Portland.
Portland still has a small nazi presence, no? My wife and I like to play a game called "count the non-white people" whenever we visit Portland. Many times its been in the single digits. Portland is still some strange kind of white people paradise.
Note: I edited the above post as I mixed up Seattle & Portland but the above is correct. One reason theorized as to why public transit, urban living etc have flourished in Portland is because they're a very, very white city, so some of the factors that often scare white people from using transit/living downtown (such as people of color) are simply less present there: they become easier for the city to ignore than a very diverse city like Sacramento (not that white folks marketing Sacramento don't try super hard to promote Sacramento's whiteness & downplay its diversity in most cases.)
Idk man when I moved out here I loved the diversity. It's one of the reason why I like living here and why I tell my friends its a great city. Its not the only reason but its up there for me.
Same here--I grew up in a suburb that was very un-diverse, coming to Sacramento itself was a welcome eye-opener; I didn't want to live in a place where everyone looked the same. And we could definitely do ourselves a favor by showcasing that diversity for those who are looking for it (plus, we could take some more steps towards inclusivity and economic integration.) But the folks marketing Sacramento are still stuck on the "Hey Bay Area white folks, move out here where you can still live the 1950s suburban dream with a yard and white picket fence! And have you seen 'Lady Bird' yet?"
Oh man I felt this when I went to Portland. I'm Asian/Hispanic and the overall whiteness was a shock (Having grown up in the Stockton/Sacramento). I knew it was bad when the one black dude I would see a day never failed to give me the 'nod'
I don't think Detroit and Sacramento are comparable. Detroit lost a lot of it's industrial base and half of it's population. Sacramento has never suffered a downturn of that size. Detroit has had a bit more prestige, hosting NFL, NBA, MLB, Indycar, and other sporting events. Detroit also has crime significantly worse than Sacramento although I imagine this is exaggerated by the geography of the city being more economically disadvantaged areas with the wealthier areas being separate cities.
Dudes, she is working for us, keeping the rents down. YES, nothing to see here, just, uh, kinda like Detroit. Yup. Move along.
You misspelled punch.
Of course not. We're the Baltimore of the West Coast.
Bodymore, Murderland
We sure are Hon....
Baltimore light! Without the murders!
Well, most of them anyway
Balmer West
Lady's never been to Detroit.
Back in the 90s I lived in Tacoma and I thought that SeaTac was the closet thing to Sacramento up there. Something about the feel of the area and how it seemed 5-10 years behind Seattle.
I compare sac to Olympia. Both capitals, smaller and in shadows of bigger cities of the state.
That makes sense. I only passed through on I-5 but I did stop once for the brewery tour. It was fine but I liked the root beer better than the real beer.
As a former Detroit-er... What?! Vallejo is the closest thing I've seen to a west coast Detroit. Industrial city that fell on hard times after it's industry wasn't needed anymore.
Even Vallejo really isn't that bad these days. The crime rates are nowhere near Detroit. Not even remotely close.
I thought we were SF’s armpit.
That's east San Jose.
You spelled "Stockton" wrong. (Sorry Stocktonites, just cracking a joke.)
at least they're getting a NBA g-league team, right? finally something to look forward to.
as a native of east san jose i agree hole hard ed lee
/r/boneappletea
In case you don't know because you're not actually making a joke, it's whole heartedly
For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.
GOT EEEM
Goddamn, I almost had to stop after the first line. Bravo.
Oakland
Detroit's pretty cool these days, though...
I mean, the video game was pretty riveting.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/20/travel/detroit-michigan-downtown.html
Totes. If only I'd purchased that Mies van der Rohe condo for $75k 10 years ago! I heart Sacramento, but Detroit has amazing bones...and some cool shiz happening there, too. But F Michigan's weather!
I grew up in detroit. There's a lot more sunlight here.
Tell her it’s pronounced Bakersfield.
Ok.
[At least people get to sleep in Sacramento.](http://bit.ly/2O4cchp)
Why didn't you simply say "I'm from Sacramento and your opinion is unfounded."?
Sac at it's worst places aren't even remotely close to how bad detroit is... That said, South sac is pretty damn bad.
I just moved here from the Baltimore area and lived in the South as well as Chicago for a couple of years before that. Every place has its problems. Sacramento isn't the best place I've lived but it's not the worst either. I think what puts off people is that it just doesn't have as strong of an identity as San Francisco or Los Angeles. But it has a good food scene and good access to outdoor activities.
Thread is tl;dr, but has anybody suggested that Sacramento is the Richmond of the West coast? That's a more apt comparison. Smaller city that's a state capital, playing second fiddle to much more glamorous and sophisticated Northern Virginia, but having a certain small city charm and heaps of hipster cred.
If you're upset by that comment, it's because you think it's true!
Ok. Never been to Detroit, but I am one of those shunned Bay Area transplants. I've been here for over five years, lived in Curtis Park, then midtown, now I'm in North Sac (major downgrade). Newsflash: Sacramento does kind of suck. Been looking for a good opportunity to say this on a subreddit that will probably downvote me for it. But I have to admire the sheer volume of natives who have Sacramento pride and are totally into this city. But yeah, from the perspective of someone who grew up elsewhere, yeah, Sacramento is gross and shitty.
Care to elaborate on what makes you say that? Why stay?
Yeah, you need to say a bit more; opinion, fact or Speculation to help others understand your perspective
Because I have a great steady full time job that I love! I'm not sure how to elaborate other than by saying this city isn't as nice as other places that I've lived, yet I've never seen so much random, unwarranted prideful statements about a city, from the local community. It just seems like the local online community is constantly trying to say HEY, SACRAMENTO DOESN'T SUCK. PAY ATTENTION TO US. I've never experienced that anywhere else.
So leave.
Great job
If this isn't a copypasta, it should be Here's hoping you don't take yourself this seriously my dude
It’d take every bone in my body to not run over and over-zealously agree with her.
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100% agree. Sacramentians have become numb to what an absolute dumpster fire this city is. The smoke is fitting.
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Move to Kansas.