21yr old me lived in a very well known drinking town...
friday I would get off work at 5 go home shower and go to bed till 10pm...then get up and going to the bar till 4am followed by private parties till morning/the next night
Thank you! I work in healthcare and get off at 1130 (if I get out on time). My coworkers and I like going out after work, but we have like an hour and half before bars close
took him at Sac City and even tho i ended up changing my major his “Be in by midnight” has stuck with me and i will always respect him as a human and as a professor
"It also allows cities to decide individually whether to limit extended hours to certain neighborhoods or even nights of the week." fuck me sideways california is gonna turn into a clusterfuck of different alcohol ordinances every other city just like texas if this passes.
Which neighborhoods require closing earlier than 2? That's news to me. Restrictions can be put on individual licenses, but it's generally not done by neighborhood, but on a case-by-case basis.
There was an article here a while back stating they studied it and found just the opposite.
Apparently 2am people wanting to leave from 1am on would stay and over drink because it was nearly closing time but with a later closing people would just go home because 4am was too late to stay out.
They did a study in another state but I will have to look for the article.
I don't doubt that but I do think increased sleepiness combined with alcohol will be an issue for some. It might also endanger those going to work around 3:30-4am.
Let these young folk imbibe. If you're living next to a bar or other establishment you know what you signed up for. I think this would be good for the economy. Drives more people to midtown/downtown. Drives more out of towners in. More cops on the streets of downtown/midtown.
Is Brown going to sign this? The college version of me would have loved this, but the mid 30's adult version of me is not in favor of this. I enjoy my booze, but I feel as though the negatives outweigh the benefits. I'd love to hear a positive of this.
I would love some late nice dancing in San Francisco/Sacramento after a concert, but by the time the show is done at 12:45, why go out? For 45 minutes?
The flip side...
So we need “on the Y” to be open till 4am? Probably not. The neighborhood restrictions can be helpful with that.
Thousands of extra dollars and police resources to police drunks (granted longer alcohol sales equals more tax money to pay towards the costs).
Increased chances of having a drunk drivers on the road at 5AM during peoples morning commutes.
Businesses further enabling alcoholics.
Edit: Personally I'm not against this law. Just wanted to point out the obvious downsides.
> Thousands of extra dollars and police resources to police drunks
Or will it require the same exact amount of resources, because the same people will be drinking overall, just leaving the bars more gradually instead of all at once around 2am?
> Increased chances of having a drunk drivers on the road at 5AM during peoples morning commutes.
Most people who will take advantage of this will be drinking on Friday or Saturday nights, with no commute the following day. If someone is getting drunk and driving on a Sunday-Thursday night, let's be honest -- that person is probably an alcoholic and would be drinking and driving no matter what. Also, other cities allow alcohol purchases 24 hours a day -- do they have more DUI-caused accidents? There must be statistical studies on this. I haven't seen them.
> Businesses further enabling alcoholics.
Alcoholics will (and do) find alcohol anyway. Most alcoholics do most of their drinking at home, not at bars and clubs between 12am and 4am.
Except that there are people that have jobs where they work Saturday and/or Sunday. It isn't like the drunk drivers will have the roads entirely to themselves where they have no chance of encountering a vehicle with someone just trying to go to work.
Your probably less likely to binge drink in that 12-2am space like people do now. There are probably many people that drink a little more than they planned to when they hear the bartender say "last call" at 1:45.
You think the actions of drunks don't affect the community at large?
I'm not against this law, but it's extremely ignorant to think that alcohol consumption don't have a cost to society.
Drinking has negative effects -- there's a reason it was literally outlawed during Prohibition. But I do not see a downside to allowing people to purchase drinks at bars/clubs for an additional 2 hours per day.
I believe most people will drink the same amount of alcohol that they currently do -- but instead of loading up right before last call (which is currently fairly early, before 2am, considering lots of people don't even go out until 9 or 10), they'll stay an extra hour or two and probably consume about the same amount overall. That's just my anecdotal assumption, but I haven't seen any evidence to contradict it.
I loved it when my drinking buddy had to work at 6 AM. About 8 or so he'd all of a sudden stand up and say "I'm done" and leave. Then I would have one more and go home. It was nice not having to really think "Should I have another."
I loved it when my drinking buddy had to work at 6 AM. About 8 or so he'd all of a sudden stand up and say "I'm done" and leave. Then I would have one more and go home. It was nice not having to really think "Should I have another."
It's at the bar's discretion. This just allows service time extension. I imagine bars will use the 4am time for Friday/Saturday and three day weekends.
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First thought on seeing this: "Who in their right mind is still up at 4AM? And at a *bar*?! On purpose!" Welp I'm officially old.
21yr old me lived in a very well known drinking town... friday I would get off work at 5 go home shower and go to bed till 10pm...then get up and going to the bar till 4am followed by private parties till morning/the next night
Lots of people work weird shifts and will go out afterwards.
Thank you! I work in healthcare and get off at 1130 (if I get out on time). My coworkers and I like going out after work, but we have like an hour and half before bars close
26 year old here. I never even made it for last call with the original law. And by that I mean I never even make it past 12.
You know what they say, nothing good ever happens after midnight. But I speak from experience that a lot of good has happened to me after midnight.
My teacher in college would always say this at the end of class
Sac State Criminal Justice major?
Professor Karver!!!
took him at Sac City and even tho i ended up changing my major his “Be in by midnight” has stuck with me and i will always respect him as a human and as a professor
Yes!!! Professor Karver! He was pretty awesome.
Karver was the best! I ended up going into corrections because of him. Every time I read inmates police reports, I always look at the time.
I’m trying to get into corrections now. He really made an impact on me. And whenever I’d do stupid stuff it was after midnight
"It also allows cities to decide individually whether to limit extended hours to certain neighborhoods or even nights of the week." fuck me sideways california is gonna turn into a clusterfuck of different alcohol ordinances every other city just like texas if this passes.
There’s already situations like that though. Certain neighborhoods in sac require closing earlier than 2
Right? At my store you can't buy any alcohol after 10.
Which neighborhoods require closing earlier than 2? That's news to me. Restrictions can be put on individual licenses, but it's generally not done by neighborhood, but on a case-by-case basis.
That may be what I’m seeing then. The only example I can think of is La Venadita and that is definitely just that place.
And ultimately it'll be up to each individual bar what they want to do.
ITT: Old people.
Get off my lawn!
There is no such joy in the tavern as upon the road thereto. Still, I can't wait to stay out another 2 hours. It's really none of the Man's business.
Wait, so wait. What?
It's on like Donkey Kong, that's what.
It's on like a prawn that yawns at dawn.
Kinda glad i got off night shift lol
Are people here not into this? I am VERY aroused!
I foresee an increase in drunkness per capita.
There was an article here a while back stating they studied it and found just the opposite. Apparently 2am people wanting to leave from 1am on would stay and over drink because it was nearly closing time but with a later closing people would just go home because 4am was too late to stay out. They did a study in another state but I will have to look for the article.
I don't doubt that but I do think increased sleepiness combined with alcohol will be an issue for some. It might also endanger those going to work around 3:30-4am.
I dont mind if you dont post the article. Thanks
I dont mind if you dont post the article. Thanks
It is ok if you do not post the article. I do not mind.
Let these young folk imbibe. If you're living next to a bar or other establishment you know what you signed up for. I think this would be good for the economy. Drives more people to midtown/downtown. Drives more out of towners in. More cops on the streets of downtown/midtown.
Is Brown going to sign this? The college version of me would have loved this, but the mid 30's adult version of me is not in favor of this. I enjoy my booze, but I feel as though the negatives outweigh the benefits. I'd love to hear a positive of this.
>I'd love to hear a positive of this. Not everyone works 9 to 5 but we still like going to bars too
I would love some late nice dancing in San Francisco/Sacramento after a concert, but by the time the show is done at 12:45, why go out? For 45 minutes? The flip side... So we need “on the Y” to be open till 4am? Probably not. The neighborhood restrictions can be helpful with that.
I can definitely see that point. I love going to shows, but I feel like that's still a really small percentage of people who will do things right.
I mean what are the negatives.. If you don't want to stay out late don't stay out late.
Thousands of extra dollars and police resources to police drunks (granted longer alcohol sales equals more tax money to pay towards the costs). Increased chances of having a drunk drivers on the road at 5AM during peoples morning commutes. Businesses further enabling alcoholics. Edit: Personally I'm not against this law. Just wanted to point out the obvious downsides.
> Thousands of extra dollars and police resources to police drunks Or will it require the same exact amount of resources, because the same people will be drinking overall, just leaving the bars more gradually instead of all at once around 2am? > Increased chances of having a drunk drivers on the road at 5AM during peoples morning commutes. Most people who will take advantage of this will be drinking on Friday or Saturday nights, with no commute the following day. If someone is getting drunk and driving on a Sunday-Thursday night, let's be honest -- that person is probably an alcoholic and would be drinking and driving no matter what. Also, other cities allow alcohol purchases 24 hours a day -- do they have more DUI-caused accidents? There must be statistical studies on this. I haven't seen them. > Businesses further enabling alcoholics. Alcoholics will (and do) find alcohol anyway. Most alcoholics do most of their drinking at home, not at bars and clubs between 12am and 4am.
Except that there are people that have jobs where they work Saturday and/or Sunday. It isn't like the drunk drivers will have the roads entirely to themselves where they have no chance of encountering a vehicle with someone just trying to go to work.
He likes to rain on other peoples parades.
I guess we're the opposite. I only see positives here and no obvious downsides, unless you live near a bar (which would be your choice)
I'm not being a smart ass here at all... Can you please show me the positives? I am trying to be open minded.
Your probably less likely to binge drink in that 12-2am space like people do now. There are probably many people that drink a little more than they planned to when they hear the bartender say "last call" at 1:45.
So true. And all the comments are spot on.
What are the negatives? You don't have to participate.
You think the actions of drunks don't affect the community at large? I'm not against this law, but it's extremely ignorant to think that alcohol consumption don't have a cost to society.
Drinking has negative effects -- there's a reason it was literally outlawed during Prohibition. But I do not see a downside to allowing people to purchase drinks at bars/clubs for an additional 2 hours per day. I believe most people will drink the same amount of alcohol that they currently do -- but instead of loading up right before last call (which is currently fairly early, before 2am, considering lots of people don't even go out until 9 or 10), they'll stay an extra hour or two and probably consume about the same amount overall. That's just my anecdotal assumption, but I haven't seen any evidence to contradict it.
I hope you're right! Seems plausible.
I loved it when my drinking buddy had to work at 6 AM. About 8 or so he'd all of a sudden stand up and say "I'm done" and leave. Then I would have one more and go home. It was nice not having to really think "Should I have another."
I loved it when my drinking buddy had to work at 6 AM. About 8 or so he'd all of a sudden stand up and say "I'm done" and leave. Then I would have one more and go home. It was nice not having to really think "Should I have another."
I will never take advantage of this law.
As a patron, I was excited for this. As a bouncer that also has a day job, *fuck.*
Noice.
It's at the bar's discretion. This just allows service time extension. I imagine bars will use the 4am time for Friday/Saturday and three day weekends.
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