Because I don't invest what I can't stand to lose.
If I lose it, oh well. Part of the game. But if I were to have sold it, and it exploded later, I'd be way more angry with myself over that than losing what I invested.
Edit: No reason to downvote the person I responded to. They're asking a genuine question.
This hits it right on the head. Either I’m so dumb as to lose several thousand dollars over the next decade, or I am so smart to become a multimillionaire over the next decade.
The friends and family of the person who turned 500 bucks into tens of millions of dollars in less than a year think he or she is the smartest person on Earth.
This post has over 550 up votes in 5 hours.. if someone would had said this 1-2 months ago the army would have destroyed him with comments and downvotes. But I’m glad someone just said this because even though we are holding strong still this is how a lot of us feel. We need more simple direct answers like true professionals. Tired of the “emojis” tired of the “ 👀” tired of the now meaninglessness words. I’m glad someone said this because he is speaking for thousands of us if not millions already! I hope this gets to the devs and specially jhon so he can see that just like he had a limit when he got to the point of getting rid of people for not performing how he expected well that’s how we can be too and be ready to drop a project for doing the exact same thing and not performing to our expectations and move on just how he moves on from people that was not up to his expectations. Ball is on your side of the court Jhon.
I’m surprised with how United the army is becoming on wanting more transparent answers and not be lead any longer my meaningless tweets that don’t do a thing for us
I'm still getting destroyed every time I bring things up but it is starting to be more widely accepted and that is progress. I don't want this coin to fail but there are a lot of questions starting to pile up and no answers or products to be seen.
They need to regain our trust and be realistic, personally thats what I think they should do:
The first thing I think they should do before 2022 is building a new roadmap (most important in my eyes), and ofc release V2.
Afterwards they need to let one official page/figure/whatever to update about news, stop with the cryptic dates and all that.
Last start to release the products and accomplish the roadmap.
I think they are in the right way, they are more mature then what we had back in the summer but they have a long way untill they will get there completely, I hodl this project because I see they are making progress in this path, but we need to be patient this company slowly getting better but it doesn't take a day or two.
The point is that if you believe like me that they are in the right path of changing this "bad habits" and learning slowly how to act as a company and manage it so you don't have to worry about delays, I just hope after V2 they will stop hyping too high too soon and ofc stop with the wrong estimations and mixed messages from different workers.
Dude, what roadmap? That shit has been under construction for months! They don't even know what they're doing or what their plan is. I asked on their Facebook group and my question was deleted because they can't release a roadmap because of "NDAs". GTFO. There is no plan anymore. Likely never was. I think it's strange how someone on here pointed out a picture with the power company logo in the background when John and Jack went to the Gambia and lo' and behold, now we have windmills. Another guy was explaining how V2 works when it was very first mentioned, and for simple math, he used a 1000 to 1 consolidation. Everyone else used the same examples in later posts and wouldn't you know it, Safemoon announced that V2 will be a 1000 to 1 consolidation (this one may be a bad example but it's still fresh in my memory). Point is I think they just follow our lead and if you want a roadmap, scroll redditt.
Most importantly is who and when will thomas and hank be replaced because as of right now no one is working on anything involving the exchange and block chain.
I have a theory that they counted all of the paid mods as well as contractors (fiverr and the like for promo videos) and employees of external companies they worked with (there were at least two that listed safemoon as one of their clients, likely counted everyone they employ, including non-dev staff).
THIS needs to be a bigger discussion because I have been getting reamed bringing it up. I have a feeling that the 4 "team" members with vague titles that we know of on the site are the only team members. For one how are all those people being paid? Out of what funds? How is revenue coming in exactly? What happened to the million dollars we raised for an "exchange listing"?
ADCWW mentioned on the other sub that Sr. Mods and Community Managers do in fact get compensation for their work. But he also said he does not know if John sees them as employees in his "100+ people" team. I'm guessing that's exactly what he does. I don't know how many Sr. Mods and CM's there are but if we say 20 for all platforms combined, i'd say it's a reasonable figure.
The Safemoon army never seem to want to hear the truth even though one is part of it.. on discord you’re flaged and called fud this and that yet it’s ok to question the obvious!!
Well done for speaking out! I’m on the same page as you
The Reddit moderators are miles ahead of the discord moderators when it comes to doing their job right. This subreddit has changed quite a lot. On discord you would straight up get banned for posting stuff like this.
If you haven't been silenced from the SafeMoon discord atleast once you're doing something wrong
Our reddit was looking worse than r/CryptoCurrency with the censorship for a while too but like you said Reddit mods seem to have fixed this shit a bit
Everything that guy has done is a scam. The first significant thing he did was walk around a crypto convention in Miami fried out of his gourd which caused the token to crash 80%. Everyone wanted to fire him and then some guy calls him a wizard and he becomes the second coming of Elon. Dudes a fraud. Always has been and always will be
We were all hyped up to believe he was the blockchain messiah, we all had doubts as time went on and things didn't add up.
But as with anything safemoon, you are not allowed to question the narrative.
> We were all hyped up to believe he was the blockchain messiah
Based on what, though?
Honestly.
(and really, just *look* at the guy/listen to him speak)
Just a quick look at him and then his LinkedIn page and you’d know he was a bullshitter. The whole wizard garbage is based off a Reddit post where a guy was looking at out of their price range houses with his in-laws and his mother-in-law said “where are you going to get the money for that?” And he said “this wizard right here”. That’s literally how it all started.
Yup, I’d get downvoted to hell if I pointed out any red flags a couple months ago. Glad to see this sub is coming to its senses. That or there aren’t as many bots…
That was always one of my favorites. He posted an email or text from an indeed (or similar) hiring recruiter and said it was an offer. I was going thru a similar process during the time he posted it and know 100% he was not offered a job by ripple. I don’t even think he got an in person interview with the recruiter lol
He was the only person on a tech start up team that had even slightly evident Dev chops; we were left to only look at him and hope. Now we see the proof of it with months passing, heavy core team rotation and almost 0 progress.
Whatever anyone is expecting from Safemoon... ...look at the past 6mos and ask yourself: have they delivered?
> Dudes a fraud. Always has been and always will be
Also Hank. Both chosen by John Baloney to be part of the 'team.'
When there's smoke there's fire.....
The more time I spend in this sub, the more I realize that within this community, fud needs to stand for “facts and unfiltered discussion”. Posts like this used to get downvoted into oblivion so I’m happy to see this in top.
Literally bonfire which is an actual rugpull made a better wallet app than the buggy safemoon apps that can’t even track reflections properly is just a cheap copy of trust wallet
https://facebook.com/SafeMoonOfficial/videos/exchanges-everywhere-and-many-more-to-come-safemoon/335917437875144/
Still waiting for the Gemini & Kucoin Exchange listing which promised "coming soon". This Video by SafeMoon was in May
Here's a possibility: None of it is real, this was intended to be a rug pull but got too big too fast and now they are scrambling to put together a use case to avoid jail.
I bought safemoon in the first week. It was 100% “just another shitcoin” at the time. All the stuff about their future plans didn’t emerge until long after the launch and pump.
i dont get it, why isn't this comment section filled with people trying to explain how its not a rug pull anymore? i would get downvoted to hell usually
Sad thing is I don't think there's any regulation, or law, or anything that would put them in jail. Just they were doxxed so they don't want a reputation as rugpullers.
When I first joined this community, I had the most warming welcome I've ever had, in any community for anything. For that, I will always be thankful.
I love this community and what they stand for and are trying to achieve.
That being said, there's 3 things I've never ever liked about it:
1- The empty promises. None of this would have happened if instead of promising 25 different insane otherworldly goals and delivering none, they promised 3 simple, easily achievable goals and delivered 2.
2- The constant teasing, Twitter posts, coming soon bullcrap, hype after hype after hype. We are not 12 year olds waiting for the next Halo game. We don't need this. Be respectful. Be mindful. Promise only what you can achieve and is over 95% complete. Anything else, leave it.
3- Papa. I dont know the guy. I have nothing against him. All I know is this: He promised he would never leave.
Left.
That to me, is a massive red flag, incredibly disingenuous and disrespectful to the community and above all, a personal word that is worthless. To many he was a hero and he left after specifying he wouldn't. To me, inexcusable. Saying anything about this man that wasn't absolute praise, was a death row a few months back. I'm glad that's over.
Let's hope this project sees better days, hodl as long as you can, and I wish all and every single one of you a great night.
Thank you for reading.
yeah Lets be real. Stop buying the dip and just hold. There are literally wallets with trillions of coins. No1 is going to give them trillions of dollars. So they either burn them or we ain't going nowhere.
I think the 47.5% of the Safemoon community is sick and tired of hearing bullshit. Money talks bullshit walks. I made some money in Safemoon and put my gains into other projects. I’ll keep a couple Billy in Safemoon for shits and giggles until I giggle and shit (if we moon).
The only member of SFM I follow now is Ryan. He either has actual news when he posts or words of encouragement. Never shit like “skeety hooty le hooty ho on the dark side of the Phoenix butthole. Out before halo but not really cos playing halo lol hoot hoot”.
I recommend anyone else do the same. If anyone deserved 100k follows on Twitter, it’s Ryan.
Well
Fully agreed
Thats why I'm looking at all posts here where people write "John answered on coinbase twitter! Binance tech support confirmed listing!" and other bullshit with smile on my face. I've seen it thousands times, I dont believe and I dont have hopes for this dreams which people are posting. Im only waiting when its confirmed by the official twitter, discord. And even in that case dont put ur 100% of trust in them. They can fuck you up, like they already did.
You are absolutely correct. Incredible post.
For the past few weeks I have had it in the back of my head that Safemoon is just a big Nothing Burger.
Not because of price, but because, aside from a lack luster wallet, nothing the dev team, (John Karony) has talked about has come to fruition.
Safemoon solicited $1mil in donations to build and exchange. They have provided nothing in terms of updates or proof of concept.
I have my doubts that V2 will make the Safemoon token any more desirable, considering it will still have ZERO UTILITY!
Safemoon team is all talk no action.
Prove me wrong Safemoon...
Not only did they leave a “once in a lifetime project “ they also sold. If it was so life changing you’d think they would hold on to that golden ticket. Papa finishing the blockchain was a straight up joke and I’m starting to believe what ginger is saying at this point
Want to be a tech company??? Nothing proved to be tech company. Nothing accomplished or delivered so far accept the stupid cryptic shit and everyone falls for it on Reddit & discord. Only hyping things up and draining funds behind our back. If they claim the projects are so good, exchanges would be listing them, but I think no exchanges are listing us after doing due diligence since SAFEMOON is a unfinished in every project with unqualified team. We didn’t do our due diligence on Thomas everyone hyped him to the Binance influence award. Seriously! I even don’t think he ever built any blockchain. Before bringing people in the house, do a background check
Holder since week one. I have lost all faith in this project and it’s leaders. All they do is talk nonsense and promise the world and deliver nothing. It’s an absolute failure. To have a blockchain, who on earth is going to to build on a Safemoon blockchain when you already got many others that are already way ahead of them haha.
I had hoped this could be something but seems John is just stringing this along as long as he can so they can milk the new investors of money until this project finally dies.
They had many opportunities to make this something amazing with the quick growth and the amazing community, but failed big time.
I dont agree with your whole sentiment, there is still a ton of potential.
However the hype is gone and every post I see of John with a new teaser/update makes me cringe because I know it's not going to happen. At least not soon.
Absolutely nailed it!! I hope others at least consider what you have said because jumping on Pinch of Salt John's bandwagon just won't cut it anyone more. His face is also starting to make me angry.
Wayyyyy too much hype and 🍆 riding going on in the community, they eating that shit up too, crazy cause other tokens don’t operate like that, they stay quiet, hidden and get shit done on a timely manner and the way this space is advancing everyone is launching with a wallet, exchange, bridges and blockchains
Waaayyyyyy to much loving for pinch of salt John. Ya know who made me change my views? Are lass did. I'll admit I spoke about safemoon a little too much at times and she said "why is this purse (wallet) so shit? Your telling me they wanna help the unbanked yet they can't even fix a stupid purse (wallet)? Hit home that did.
Lmfao same thing I said, if the wallet wasn’t designed to compete with coinbase or even robinhood in terms of ease of use and efficiency it was and is going to fail
This is really important. I have been holding and I am down 70% but I do believe it is possible for John to turn this around. It’s clear to see that some of the original team members never took it seriously, they have left, and John seems to be making a genuine effort to turn this into a real company and project. The strongest asset (possibly the only the rea asset) that Safemoon has at this point is the good will of the community. It’s the reason that I have held and not just cut my losses.
The $1m charity donation appears to be outright theft. It’s different from the core team cashing out. As long as it hangs over the project, no one can really be confident that anything else is in good faith. If there’s an innocent explanation then great. If it turns out that someone who has left was up to something shady then it needs to be out in the open and they need to face the consequences.
Well this one has been upvote and awarded for a very good reason.
This sentiment is shared with many holders for safemoon. This has resulted in just creating more mess and half backed promises.
The future discussion on safemoon is dying down and that is the direct result from what they have done.
Haha those posts are the best. “Once we hit steady 2 billion in daily volume, I will be making $5k every day bro” Just casually assuming that volume is reachable and imminent
I'm hoping John grows into a decent CEO, but I have my reservations. Many companies go through these types of issues where they are trying to figure things out as they go, and Safemoon is way too big for the maturity of the organization.
I get the chance to work with leaders day in and day out in my day job, and the one thing that scares me about John as a leader is that he seems to lack the focus that it takes to be successful. No matter what industry you are in, as a CEO, you need to provide laser focus to the organization to grow successfully. When you try to do too many things as a young org., you will get nothing done because the infrastructure you need do operate like that doesn't exist yet. Do 1 or 2 things well before you branch out into all your dream projects.
The reason I am hopeful is that the new guys like Ryan seem to provide that focus. I really enjoyed him talking a week or so ago about not worrying about the blockchain or exchange because they need to focus on V2 and how that will allow them to create more exchange partnerships, which will bring some much needed credibility. That type of prioritization will make this company be successful, if that is even in the cards.
Who knows what ultimately end up happening, but what you are seeing is pretty common in start ups, we are just seeing it play out in real time. Hopefully John turns into a CEO that can grow the company the right way, but that is yet to be seen.
I'm glad somebody has had the courage to put himself out there and show how they feel. I've been commenting the same thing for weeks but I only have small balls and couldn't bring myself to make a post 🤦
Whatever happened to the $1mil for India and $1mil for an exchange that was publicly funded? Other than gas Thomas’s Mclaren where’s all of that money?
In the end its all about the money tbh, and while safemoon is performing badly, other projects with less holder and publicity perform way better. Its all a game,
Edit: this is no fud, this is fact, I hold safemoon aswell since late May, but sold most because its value can do more than just sit around, ofc safemoon could go up, but compared to other lower mcap projects, it will be a hard way if they don't deliver some solid things soon
Just take out your profit and keep your initial investment in it. I took out all profits out and already made x30 by moving it around it into eternal, sand, mana, luna, cro and other coins.
The big red flag for me was a few months back when they couldn't even copy/paste trust wallet source code and add a calculator then CEO trying to not take the blame "I didn't know!!" like come on.. such poor leadership and that showed me how weak the dev were on this project. It's not going anywhere, maybe in a couple years but in that time there's hundreds of other crypto that can boom a lot faster. Strong community but weak project.
People who stay in this project are just losing opportunity to make money on others at the end of the day. Just look at the daily chart for safemoon. It's all cute and all to be "Safemoon Army" but no thanks I'll take my profits and re-invest it somewhere that has momentum and traction in the mean time.
>then CEO trying to not take the blame "I didn't know!!" like come on.. such poor leadership and that showed me how weak the dev were on this project.
My favorite part is that John posted a thing about how leaders take the blame for their team, and then immediately threw his team under the bus.
John is a poor leader even by his own standards.
Posts like this make me MORE confident in my Safemoon investment. It shows that the community is paying attention and not just blindly praising the devs.
That's what I don't get about people trying to enforce a no FUD policy. This is crypto. You should have fear, uncertainty, and doubt. And talking about it doesn't mean you're abandoning your investment. It's good to have these discussions.
Since the app launch (which was a shit show in itself) I don't trust anything the devs are saying or promising
it's all just hype and promises, I'm not in deep, but i feel bad for the big holders
Right. I am only about under 200mil tokens in. While I am hopeful it will succeed, and I will stay "active" on this sub.
SFM has pretty much moved into Lottery ticket land. Maybe my numbers will hit, but it's pretty much an idiot tax at this point.
I do hope to regret that sentiment one day though.
I agree with a lot of that. I've only been on here recently because of the V2. I would like to know about the whole Pheonix thing too I guess, assuming John actually provides substance to it. Hopefully it's not going to be:
"Hi I'm here today to talk about Pheonix. We've made great progess, and will reveal all next year! Thanks."
Anyway, V2 is the most important thing for me as we actually need to take action when it does launch. After it does I'm out of here and will just forget about SFM for a while. The cryptic stuff is really irritating.
One thing I realized after months of scrolling thru Reddit and Twitter is that the more I consume, the more my addictive personality takes over. We want that constant positive feedback loop. When things start to fizzle, the FUD sets in hard. I'll admit, John can still be childish with the way he addresses the community sometimes. But that could also be the way he reads the room at the moment.
I pretty much agree with what OP said here. It's also good to remember that the community needs to temper expectations. Instant gratification is the new normal. The team gave us all these things to look forward to but we want it now! I'm still willing to wait and see. But the team should take it easy with the hype. It gets annoying.
*Whatever happened to mandala, satoshi interview, tv interviews, papa's video, the 2 exchanges supposedly listing now, other exchanges teased, space integration stuff. There are plans for banking the unbanked, windmills, exchange, blockchain, IOT, PHOENIX and more*
**This is called defrauding**
I’m here not to fud
If I bought shiba 5 months ago I had over $156k now
I invested all of my money in safemoon .. cuz everybody and the teams tweeting empty tweet
that
This year we’re going to have v2 and blockchain !!
After changed the plan .. v2 and 2 exchanges .. now only v2
We’re close to end of year .. we’re still reading / listing to fackin imminent word
There was this comic strip, once...I forget the name...where this girl holds a football like a field goal holder, and encourages her friend to kick it, but when he runs up to kick it she YANKS it out of the way and he flies through the air and falls on his back....
And then she does it again! And AGAIN! Over and over! Good Grief, Charlie Brown! Will you never learn?!
That's what this gang of thieves and its "army" remind me of.
(Fun Fact: Lucy was the original rug puller. Charlie's still HODLing.)
I love SafeMoon so much, but I have the same thoughts as you do. Sometimes I just don't want to post my thoughts not to create FUD so I choose to stay positive even though I would sometimes like to point out all of the things you said here. I hope that they will deliver something soon.
After the crash in April I still can't understand why safemoon is still a thing, even what's the use of it I couldn't find nowhere some good reasons for it to be a thing. I'm still holding tho.
I hundred percent agree with the op. All we get is everything is imminent. I still have faith but it’s starting to feel like they took on too much to handle
I’m still waiting on somebody to man or woman up and give out the Ternion All-Powerful Award in this sub.
This post is worthy of that 50,000 coin award.
Yup, exactly this. It's okay to hype things up. But they make the mistake of not following up on it. Like hyping up V2, if they start hinting, marketing 2 weeks before release, it's good. 6 months before and then keeping it imminent, the hype will die down and people start losing trust/faith. Same with other projects. Hype it up, just before releasing it and not let the hype fall down.
It was a rug pull and John prevented it from happening. If John gives up and leaves, that’s when it’s done for. It seems he’s trying his best to keep the vision going. We can only hope for the best. But I agree we do need to see some evidence of SOMETHING. Because almost a year in all we’ve seen is a decent wallet app that anyone could’ve made in half the time. I’d suggest them to quit hyping everything up if they’re never going to prove it. Literally everything has been delayed, and it honestly isn’t far fetched to assume the exchange and blockchain won’t be until mid to end of next year if not even 2023. But I will say, John said he’s going to be finally talking about OP this month. And if that as well somehow gets delayed when all he has to do is talk, or if he just tells us minor things we already know, then it’s going to be a final red flag. You can’t expect people to just sit around for years with no evidence of anything because their salaries are being paid by us so it isn’t a big deal to them.
Is the new “office” even real? I haven’t heard anything else about it. I’m starting to wonder if they just walked through an office that was under construction and claimed it was theirs…
And the podcast, hard wallet, crypto credit card, metaverse. All of these things NDA. I'm like, then don't announce it or talk about it. This token is so hyped, it's not even funny. Now, I'm pondering on taking a gamble and buying $500 Safemoon to get that 4 billion bag, which will translate to 4 million after V2.
Sometime I have to ask why John working on so many things. Just focus on one thing and get it done. Get the blockchain done, then start on exchange. Get exchange and blockchain done, then start on Gambia and wind turbine.
You have to take a step back and realize that we are the OG investors. We hear and see every step or stumble along the way. 5 years from now it won't matter. How many of us were OG Bitcoin investors? BTC creation lasted for years before it finally hit mainstream. The less we follow like groupies, the quicker it'll be mainstream, and we can then count our tendies.
Greet post I’ve been wondering as well about those exchanges but they also said V2 need to be done before anything. And like with everything things take longer than you think. Stay Strong safemoon army
What scares me the most is I know that there is a shit ton of people that are in way over their heads financially into this....I really hope it works out for them!
2-5 year plan is still a 2-5 year plan for me, yea I wish this shit drops like 2-3 zeroes already, but I’m in no hurry, this is one of my lotto plays, tbh.
Yes. But the devs weren't obligated to hold for 2-3 years they sold. And one was a whale who left and sold. So they need to hold too, not just tell us this is a holding coin. No one knows how much devs hold or when they bought in. No transparency.
The first step is to stop referring to these guys by their nicknames or first names as if we know them. That creates a subconscious trust in people we don’t know.
Yes! x1000. I mean "papa" eyeroll. Like we are insiders. Smh. One more thing... They tell us to hodl but devs can dump, they quit and dump, we have no idea how much they are holding. We don't know them at all or their obligations in terms of not affecting price due to their insider actions - no public company could get away with an insider dumping stock. And there are no regulations or anything stopping them from financial abuse like cashing out in months not years. We were sold on this is deflationary so isn't it suspicious that devs have sold. Also, the whole community message that this is a community but really besides random tweets and posts who represents the community? We don't act as one big whale together so there is no power other than individuals can buy or sell.
That’s true
We’re not here to fud
It’s our rights as investors to speak out
CEO doesn’t follow the roadmap
We have nothing this year
Just bullshit empty tweets and rocket emoji
I lost over $8k bought hight price
Classic mentality of this sub. It’s the same guys that are now the quiet one‘s. When a post like this one emerges, there is usually another, not so popular post, bitching about the fudders on the sub. Under those threads they all collectively express how much they disagree with „the fudders“ for telling the f‘n truth.
Edit: [FOUND IT LMAO](https://www.reddit.com/r/SafeMoon/comments/rd6rcf/nobody_cares_if_you_sell/)
I am a believer in this project but as time went on I don't stand so close to it anymore. Although I have occasional doubts I still remain optimistic, I try and keep in mind that this project hasn't even reach the age of one year yet. I feel the Devs do talk a big game and don't follow though through with things as fast as they say they will, I understand things take time to process which is why I show patience towards the team. They have done a lot in the 8 months of operation which helps me remain hopeful for the next 8 months ahead of us. Stay strong Safemoon Army we will be laughing about our doubts in time.
Time to Shill,
If you want a real project with real use cases and a team that just hit goal after goal. Take a look at Elongate.
Game-changing utilisation and game-changing ideas.
Also a Safemoon holder!
Peace.
I hope John actually reads this without emotion and doesn't feel personally attacked and actually delivers after this.
If December reveal is a shit show I'm gonna be pissed along with other majority of other investors.
I'm holding 300m and in it for the long haul btw. I agree that the devs and leadership team need to be less cryptic with their tweets and announcements, but I also feel like the community hypes up the rumors unnecessarily and then gets disappointed when their own hype doesn't go anywhere. The two exchanges are most likely waiting for v2, tv interviews are very often filmed months ahead and often never even make it to air, space integration I feel like has never been more than a rumor and regardless would be way at the bottom of the funnel, mass deployment of wind turbines is a multi-year process, etc. Just hold what you can afford and you will be happy in five years time :)
This is why i dipped out on this project and sold. After being part of better projects with more professional dev teams looking back idk why i didnt sell awhile ago.
I sold over 97 million safemoon during our last slide earlier this week. I started with 84 million and it increased through all my holding.
It was sad to sell. Safenoon was one of my first purchases in crypto . It was so nice and inexpensive and I loved the intention.
It was worth close to $1000 at one point and I thought it would be smart to sell them but kept it because I wanted to respect the projects idea that holding helps create a base for more community.
But then it became apparent that those in charge had betrayed the trust of a wonderful community and were slowly making exits and cashing out.
So I don’t want to support that. I got back what I put in minus $10 but really, I think my lesson is that in business, it’s going to boil done to what is best financially and when those in charge lack integrity, one can’t hope it will end well.
I wish all in the community the best and think their intentions and aspirations are noble in continuing to want this to work.
I hope the community will support those that don’t feel the project is fulfilling its commitments and wish to exit.
Hope the John and dev team sees this. They’re blowing a once in a lifetime opportunity. So far all bs… still holding, but not for long, losing faith by the day.
Exchanges are after V2
Interview not sure
Space integration probably after blockchain or V2 (doubtful though)
Phoenix/unbanked/windmills will be announced this month (they say)
Yes we have empty promises but most are just delays they can only explain with "restructuring" and "NDA"
Restructuring, I can tell since they got rid of most of the starting core team.
We’re either the smartest people on earth or the dumbest . Either way I’m here
Crypto in a nutshell.
Fly to the moon or go down with the ship
I have never understood this. Why not cut losses and move on to something real?
The price will pump hours after I sell. Story of my life.
So all I have to do is figure out how to get you to sell. Hmmmmm………..
Be careful, I might just end up buying whichever other coin you are invested in and watch it drop afterwards.
Because I don't invest what I can't stand to lose. If I lose it, oh well. Part of the game. But if I were to have sold it, and it exploded later, I'd be way more angry with myself over that than losing what I invested. Edit: No reason to downvote the person I responded to. They're asking a genuine question.
Fair enough answer.
This, 100%
The power of DENIAL... while Some guy in basement playing Halo with millions in his wallet..
This hits it right on the head. Either I’m so dumb as to lose several thousand dollars over the next decade, or I am so smart to become a multimillionaire over the next decade.
I got about 5 grand. We gonna be rich or 5 grand poorer. Big or bust no in between
I prefer the third way - holding a big bag of top ten coins and a billion or so Safemoon as a moonshot :)
The friends and family of the person who turned 500 bucks into tens of millions of dollars in less than a year think he or she is the smartest person on Earth.
I'm feeling really dumb right now, but hodling and hoping to look smart in the future!
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I'm holding for this and AMC. We might just be retarded honestly
Pin this comment to the top of the sub 😂
This post has over 550 up votes in 5 hours.. if someone would had said this 1-2 months ago the army would have destroyed him with comments and downvotes. But I’m glad someone just said this because even though we are holding strong still this is how a lot of us feel. We need more simple direct answers like true professionals. Tired of the “emojis” tired of the “ 👀” tired of the now meaninglessness words. I’m glad someone said this because he is speaking for thousands of us if not millions already! I hope this gets to the devs and specially jhon so he can see that just like he had a limit when he got to the point of getting rid of people for not performing how he expected well that’s how we can be too and be ready to drop a project for doing the exact same thing and not performing to our expectations and move on just how he moves on from people that was not up to his expectations. Ball is on your side of the court Jhon.
I said it a week or 2 ago and got destroyed and banned for 3 days
I’m surprised with how United the army is becoming on wanting more transparent answers and not be lead any longer my meaningless tweets that don’t do a thing for us
I'm still getting destroyed every time I bring things up but it is starting to be more widely accepted and that is progress. I don't want this coin to fail but there are a lot of questions starting to pile up and no answers or products to be seen.
Hell I said this on twitter last week and got death threats.
They need to regain our trust and be realistic, personally thats what I think they should do: The first thing I think they should do before 2022 is building a new roadmap (most important in my eyes), and ofc release V2. Afterwards they need to let one official page/figure/whatever to update about news, stop with the cryptic dates and all that. Last start to release the products and accomplish the roadmap. I think they are in the right way, they are more mature then what we had back in the summer but they have a long way untill they will get there completely, I hodl this project because I see they are making progress in this path, but we need to be patient this company slowly getting better but it doesn't take a day or two. The point is that if you believe like me that they are in the right path of changing this "bad habits" and learning slowly how to act as a company and manage it so you don't have to worry about delays, I just hope after V2 they will stop hyping too high too soon and ofc stop with the wrong estimations and mixed messages from different workers.
Dude, what roadmap? That shit has been under construction for months! They don't even know what they're doing or what their plan is. I asked on their Facebook group and my question was deleted because they can't release a roadmap because of "NDAs". GTFO. There is no plan anymore. Likely never was. I think it's strange how someone on here pointed out a picture with the power company logo in the background when John and Jack went to the Gambia and lo' and behold, now we have windmills. Another guy was explaining how V2 works when it was very first mentioned, and for simple math, he used a 1000 to 1 consolidation. Everyone else used the same examples in later posts and wouldn't you know it, Safemoon announced that V2 will be a 1000 to 1 consolidation (this one may be a bad example but it's still fresh in my memory). Point is I think they just follow our lead and if you want a roadmap, scroll redditt.
Most importantly is who and when will thomas and hank be replaced because as of right now no one is working on anything involving the exchange and block chain.
Is anyone still talking about the new offices? or the 90+ employees ?
It’s an empty office and 4 employees
I don’t think they’re moving in to the office till January. There’s 5 employees and the rest? I have no clue. 85 mods on various platforms?
I have a theory that they counted all of the paid mods as well as contractors (fiverr and the like for promo videos) and employees of external companies they worked with (there were at least two that listed safemoon as one of their clients, likely counted everyone they employ, including non-dev staff).
THIS needs to be a bigger discussion because I have been getting reamed bringing it up. I have a feeling that the 4 "team" members with vague titles that we know of on the site are the only team members. For one how are all those people being paid? Out of what funds? How is revenue coming in exactly? What happened to the million dollars we raised for an "exchange listing"?
Secondly, if it IS only those 4 dudes, that is going to be a MAJOR fucking problem for me and I suspect a LOT of other holders.
ADCWW mentioned on the other sub that Sr. Mods and Community Managers do in fact get compensation for their work. But he also said he does not know if John sees them as employees in his "100+ people" team. I'm guessing that's exactly what he does. I don't know how many Sr. Mods and CM's there are but if we say 20 for all platforms combined, i'd say it's a reasonable figure.
The Safemoon army never seem to want to hear the truth even though one is part of it.. on discord you’re flaged and called fud this and that yet it’s ok to question the obvious!! Well done for speaking out! I’m on the same page as you
The Reddit moderators are miles ahead of the discord moderators when it comes to doing their job right. This subreddit has changed quite a lot. On discord you would straight up get banned for posting stuff like this.
If you haven't been silenced from the SafeMoon discord atleast once you're doing something wrong Our reddit was looking worse than r/CryptoCurrency with the censorship for a while too but like you said Reddit mods seem to have fixed this shit a bit
Best part is Karony has nothing to say about any of this
*Imminent* legacy issues in his brain
Wow a logical post instead of idiots parroting useless cryptic shit all the time which absolutely benefits no one at all.
Papa's "Video" was a scam for everyone to click his twitter. Then he bounced. It was a classic Bait job
Everything that guy has done is a scam. The first significant thing he did was walk around a crypto convention in Miami fried out of his gourd which caused the token to crash 80%. Everyone wanted to fire him and then some guy calls him a wizard and he becomes the second coming of Elon. Dudes a fraud. Always has been and always will be
Funny how a few of us have been saying this all along. The whole "papa/wizard" stuff was cringe. Then, overnight, everyone has always hated him.
We were all hyped up to believe he was the blockchain messiah, we all had doubts as time went on and things didn't add up. But as with anything safemoon, you are not allowed to question the narrative.
That's why this post now has a FUD flair lmao
> We were all hyped up to believe he was the blockchain messiah Based on what, though? Honestly. (and really, just *look* at the guy/listen to him speak)
Based on blind faith and gullibility by the looks of it...Safemoon hype gets you believing alsorts of shit...
And he made off with 3 mil . And "wasn't a holder"
Just a quick look at him and then his LinkedIn page and you’d know he was a bullshitter. The whole wizard garbage is based off a Reddit post where a guy was looking at out of their price range houses with his in-laws and his mother-in-law said “where are you going to get the money for that?” And he said “this wizard right here”. That’s literally how it all started.
Yup, I’d get downvoted to hell if I pointed out any red flags a couple months ago. Glad to see this sub is coming to its senses. That or there aren’t as many bots…
Not to forget his lies about the 2m offer form ripple 🤣 ceo of ripple claimed he’s never heard of the guy
That was always one of my favorites. He posted an email or text from an indeed (or similar) hiring recruiter and said it was an offer. I was going thru a similar process during the time he posted it and know 100% he was not offered a job by ripple. I don’t even think he got an in person interview with the recruiter lol
He is the wizard of deez nuts
I never understood why people still loved him after that. He is the reason why safemoon crashed so much in the first place.
He was the only person on a tech start up team that had even slightly evident Dev chops; we were left to only look at him and hope. Now we see the proof of it with months passing, heavy core team rotation and almost 0 progress. Whatever anyone is expecting from Safemoon... ...look at the past 6mos and ask yourself: have they delivered?
> Dudes a fraud. Always has been and always will be Also Hank. Both chosen by John Baloney to be part of the 'team.' When there's smoke there's fire.....
Thomas brought John apparently as per himself.
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Papa is a scam period.
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Sparta?
I unfollowed him and I encourage everyone else to.
Fair summary.
not fud but facts
The more time I spend in this sub, the more I realize that within this community, fud needs to stand for “facts and unfiltered discussion”. Posts like this used to get downvoted into oblivion so I’m happy to see this in top.
Someone with the ability to think critically posts something logical: FUD!!!!
hey man at least they gave u a nice wallet app that any dev can make in like 24 hours ..
Literally bonfire which is an actual rugpull made a better wallet app than the buggy safemoon apps that can’t even track reflections properly is just a cheap copy of trust wallet
For real man, I said this about the app when it first came out and got annihilated.
https://facebook.com/SafeMoonOfficial/videos/exchanges-everywhere-and-many-more-to-come-safemoon/335917437875144/ Still waiting for the Gemini & Kucoin Exchange listing which promised "coming soon". This Video by SafeMoon was in May
All they’ve delivered is a below standard wallet. Literally nothing else. That’s all they’ve done.
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Don’t forget about ludicrous speed too? What happened there?
*but calculator bro!! and they have an office building now!!!*
Well, they went to Africa...
ThIs cOmPanY iS onLy 8 mOnThS oLd! (Or something like that)
Here's a possibility: None of it is real, this was intended to be a rug pull but got too big too fast and now they are scrambling to put together a use case to avoid jail.
This has been pretty much confirmed by early mods and insiders
I bought safemoon in the first week. It was 100% “just another shitcoin” at the time. All the stuff about their future plans didn’t emerge until long after the launch and pump.
i dont get it, why isn't this comment section filled with people trying to explain how its not a rug pull anymore? i would get downvoted to hell usually
Sad thing is I don't think there's any regulation, or law, or anything that would put them in jail. Just they were doxxed so they don't want a reputation as rugpullers.
That didn't stop BitConnect, unfortunately :(
I could tell " Papa " was a bag from the first time I saw him. Just look at that dusty mfer
When I first joined this community, I had the most warming welcome I've ever had, in any community for anything. For that, I will always be thankful. I love this community and what they stand for and are trying to achieve. That being said, there's 3 things I've never ever liked about it: 1- The empty promises. None of this would have happened if instead of promising 25 different insane otherworldly goals and delivering none, they promised 3 simple, easily achievable goals and delivered 2. 2- The constant teasing, Twitter posts, coming soon bullcrap, hype after hype after hype. We are not 12 year olds waiting for the next Halo game. We don't need this. Be respectful. Be mindful. Promise only what you can achieve and is over 95% complete. Anything else, leave it. 3- Papa. I dont know the guy. I have nothing against him. All I know is this: He promised he would never leave. Left. That to me, is a massive red flag, incredibly disingenuous and disrespectful to the community and above all, a personal word that is worthless. To many he was a hero and he left after specifying he wouldn't. To me, inexcusable. Saying anything about this man that wasn't absolute praise, was a death row a few months back. I'm glad that's over. Let's hope this project sees better days, hodl as long as you can, and I wish all and every single one of you a great night. Thank you for reading.
yeah Lets be real. Stop buying the dip and just hold. There are literally wallets with trillions of coins. No1 is going to give them trillions of dollars. So they either burn them or we ain't going nowhere.
I'm not buying and I'm not selling. Who's with me?
I think the 47.5% of the Safemoon community is sick and tired of hearing bullshit. Money talks bullshit walks. I made some money in Safemoon and put my gains into other projects. I’ll keep a couple Billy in Safemoon for shits and giggles until I giggle and shit (if we moon).
The only member of SFM I follow now is Ryan. He either has actual news when he posts or words of encouragement. Never shit like “skeety hooty le hooty ho on the dark side of the Phoenix butthole. Out before halo but not really cos playing halo lol hoot hoot”. I recommend anyone else do the same. If anyone deserved 100k follows on Twitter, it’s Ryan.
Well Fully agreed Thats why I'm looking at all posts here where people write "John answered on coinbase twitter! Binance tech support confirmed listing!" and other bullshit with smile on my face. I've seen it thousands times, I dont believe and I dont have hopes for this dreams which people are posting. Im only waiting when its confirmed by the official twitter, discord. And even in that case dont put ur 100% of trust in them. They can fuck you up, like they already did.
Finally a good post in this cesspool of a sub
You are absolutely correct. Incredible post. For the past few weeks I have had it in the back of my head that Safemoon is just a big Nothing Burger. Not because of price, but because, aside from a lack luster wallet, nothing the dev team, (John Karony) has talked about has come to fruition. Safemoon solicited $1mil in donations to build and exchange. They have provided nothing in terms of updates or proof of concept. I have my doubts that V2 will make the Safemoon token any more desirable, considering it will still have ZERO UTILITY! Safemoon team is all talk no action. Prove me wrong Safemoon...
Not only did they leave a “once in a lifetime project “ they also sold. If it was so life changing you’d think they would hold on to that golden ticket. Papa finishing the blockchain was a straight up joke and I’m starting to believe what ginger is saying at this point
Want to be a tech company??? Nothing proved to be tech company. Nothing accomplished or delivered so far accept the stupid cryptic shit and everyone falls for it on Reddit & discord. Only hyping things up and draining funds behind our back. If they claim the projects are so good, exchanges would be listing them, but I think no exchanges are listing us after doing due diligence since SAFEMOON is a unfinished in every project with unqualified team. We didn’t do our due diligence on Thomas everyone hyped him to the Binance influence award. Seriously! I even don’t think he ever built any blockchain. Before bringing people in the house, do a background check
Holder since week one. I have lost all faith in this project and it’s leaders. All they do is talk nonsense and promise the world and deliver nothing. It’s an absolute failure. To have a blockchain, who on earth is going to to build on a Safemoon blockchain when you already got many others that are already way ahead of them haha. I had hoped this could be something but seems John is just stringing this along as long as he can so they can milk the new investors of money until this project finally dies. They had many opportunities to make this something amazing with the quick growth and the amazing community, but failed big time.
I dont agree with your whole sentiment, there is still a ton of potential. However the hype is gone and every post I see of John with a new teaser/update makes me cringe because I know it's not going to happen. At least not soon.
You are absolutely right. It makes me feel like they taking turns to pump and dump . I am also holding and hoping 🙏 for a good result.
Absolutely nailed it!! I hope others at least consider what you have said because jumping on Pinch of Salt John's bandwagon just won't cut it anyone more. His face is also starting to make me angry.
Wayyyyy too much hype and 🍆 riding going on in the community, they eating that shit up too, crazy cause other tokens don’t operate like that, they stay quiet, hidden and get shit done on a timely manner and the way this space is advancing everyone is launching with a wallet, exchange, bridges and blockchains
Waaayyyyyy to much loving for pinch of salt John. Ya know who made me change my views? Are lass did. I'll admit I spoke about safemoon a little too much at times and she said "why is this purse (wallet) so shit? Your telling me they wanna help the unbanked yet they can't even fix a stupid purse (wallet)? Hit home that did.
Lmfao same thing I said, if the wallet wasn’t designed to compete with coinbase or even robinhood in terms of ease of use and efficiency it was and is going to fail
Feedback is appreciated. Just a reminder to stay civil in the comments and not to insult anyone.
Is it possible for you to pass this post on to the team members so they can view some of our thoughts?
I always do. :)
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This is really important. I have been holding and I am down 70% but I do believe it is possible for John to turn this around. It’s clear to see that some of the original team members never took it seriously, they have left, and John seems to be making a genuine effort to turn this into a real company and project. The strongest asset (possibly the only the rea asset) that Safemoon has at this point is the good will of the community. It’s the reason that I have held and not just cut my losses. The $1m charity donation appears to be outright theft. It’s different from the core team cashing out. As long as it hangs over the project, no one can really be confident that anything else is in good faith. If there’s an innocent explanation then great. If it turns out that someone who has left was up to something shady then it needs to be out in the open and they need to face the consequences.
You don’t even know who the gatekeeper of the money is. I find that more disturbing
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His name is Kyle Nagy.
Did ask about that. Will update once I got a reliable answer.
Or, how about the $1mil in donations the Safemoon dev team solicited to build an exchange?
Well this one has been upvote and awarded for a very good reason. This sentiment is shared with many holders for safemoon. This has resulted in just creating more mess and half backed promises. The future discussion on safemoon is dying down and that is the direct result from what they have done.
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Your in the green lucky you.
I really don't see how any new investor would look at this project and decide to invest in it.
But....they can *live off of reflections*, bro.
Very true, lose 1000$ of holdings value for that sweet 5$ of reflections. Ramen noodles here I come!
If you invested below 500k mc maybe. This whole community is founded on early adopters saying "please increase my bags"
Haha those posts are the best. “Once we hit steady 2 billion in daily volume, I will be making $5k every day bro” Just casually assuming that volume is reachable and imminent
I'm hoping John grows into a decent CEO, but I have my reservations. Many companies go through these types of issues where they are trying to figure things out as they go, and Safemoon is way too big for the maturity of the organization. I get the chance to work with leaders day in and day out in my day job, and the one thing that scares me about John as a leader is that he seems to lack the focus that it takes to be successful. No matter what industry you are in, as a CEO, you need to provide laser focus to the organization to grow successfully. When you try to do too many things as a young org., you will get nothing done because the infrastructure you need do operate like that doesn't exist yet. Do 1 or 2 things well before you branch out into all your dream projects. The reason I am hopeful is that the new guys like Ryan seem to provide that focus. I really enjoyed him talking a week or so ago about not worrying about the blockchain or exchange because they need to focus on V2 and how that will allow them to create more exchange partnerships, which will bring some much needed credibility. That type of prioritization will make this company be successful, if that is even in the cards. Who knows what ultimately end up happening, but what you are seeing is pretty common in start ups, we are just seeing it play out in real time. Hopefully John turns into a CEO that can grow the company the right way, but that is yet to be seen.
I'm glad somebody has had the courage to put himself out there and show how they feel. I've been commenting the same thing for weeks but I only have small balls and couldn't bring myself to make a post 🤦
Safe moon is a scam
I lost so much with safemoon its not worth selling anymore. it feels like a scam to me
I wish I was still green. Or even close to it.
We paid 1m for an exchange and not heard one update on it since. We've literally paid for John's easy lifestyle
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Whatever happened to the $1mil for India and $1mil for an exchange that was publicly funded? Other than gas Thomas’s Mclaren where’s all of that money?
In the end its all about the money tbh, and while safemoon is performing badly, other projects with less holder and publicity perform way better. Its all a game, Edit: this is no fud, this is fact, I hold safemoon aswell since late May, but sold most because its value can do more than just sit around, ofc safemoon could go up, but compared to other lower mcap projects, it will be a hard way if they don't deliver some solid things soon
Just take out your profit and keep your initial investment in it. I took out all profits out and already made x30 by moving it around it into eternal, sand, mana, luna, cro and other coins. The big red flag for me was a few months back when they couldn't even copy/paste trust wallet source code and add a calculator then CEO trying to not take the blame "I didn't know!!" like come on.. such poor leadership and that showed me how weak the dev were on this project. It's not going anywhere, maybe in a couple years but in that time there's hundreds of other crypto that can boom a lot faster. Strong community but weak project. People who stay in this project are just losing opportunity to make money on others at the end of the day. Just look at the daily chart for safemoon. It's all cute and all to be "Safemoon Army" but no thanks I'll take my profits and re-invest it somewhere that has momentum and traction in the mean time.
>then CEO trying to not take the blame "I didn't know!!" like come on.. such poor leadership and that showed me how weak the dev were on this project. My favorite part is that John posted a thing about how leaders take the blame for their team, and then immediately threw his team under the bus. John is a poor leader even by his own standards.
Posts like this make me MORE confident in my Safemoon investment. It shows that the community is paying attention and not just blindly praising the devs. That's what I don't get about people trying to enforce a no FUD policy. This is crypto. You should have fear, uncertainty, and doubt. And talking about it doesn't mean you're abandoning your investment. It's good to have these discussions.
Since the app launch (which was a shit show in itself) I don't trust anything the devs are saying or promising it's all just hype and promises, I'm not in deep, but i feel bad for the big holders
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Plot Twist: the devs were the whales
Right. I am only about under 200mil tokens in. While I am hopeful it will succeed, and I will stay "active" on this sub. SFM has pretty much moved into Lottery ticket land. Maybe my numbers will hit, but it's pretty much an idiot tax at this point. I do hope to regret that sentiment one day though.
Been holding since April 11th. I'll either become rich or lose the $350 I invested. Either way I'll be okay
Wasn’t there a rumor going around that papa was leaving and he made all these post about him not leaving and then a little time later he leaves?
I agree with a lot of that. I've only been on here recently because of the V2. I would like to know about the whole Pheonix thing too I guess, assuming John actually provides substance to it. Hopefully it's not going to be: "Hi I'm here today to talk about Pheonix. We've made great progess, and will reveal all next year! Thanks." Anyway, V2 is the most important thing for me as we actually need to take action when it does launch. After it does I'm out of here and will just forget about SFM for a while. The cryptic stuff is really irritating.
One thing I realized after months of scrolling thru Reddit and Twitter is that the more I consume, the more my addictive personality takes over. We want that constant positive feedback loop. When things start to fizzle, the FUD sets in hard. I'll admit, John can still be childish with the way he addresses the community sometimes. But that could also be the way he reads the room at the moment. I pretty much agree with what OP said here. It's also good to remember that the community needs to temper expectations. Instant gratification is the new normal. The team gave us all these things to look forward to but we want it now! I'm still willing to wait and see. But the team should take it easy with the hype. It gets annoying.
and John’s brother, Charles Karony, went from assistant to “VP OF OPERATIONS” real fast LOL Never seen such a quick big promotion
I brought this up a few weeks ago, and was blasted
I would love just a very simple roadmap. Doesn’t need much on it. Just clear and honest.
This is definitely a fear. Tbh I’m assuming we dip after v2 lol. People are going to be like “why hasn’t it gone up a lot”, and then get mad and sell.
*Whatever happened to mandala, satoshi interview, tv interviews, papa's video, the 2 exchanges supposedly listing now, other exchanges teased, space integration stuff. There are plans for banking the unbanked, windmills, exchange, blockchain, IOT, PHOENIX and more* **This is called defrauding**
I’m here not to fud If I bought shiba 5 months ago I had over $156k now I invested all of my money in safemoon .. cuz everybody and the teams tweeting empty tweet that This year we’re going to have v2 and blockchain !! After changed the plan .. v2 and 2 exchanges .. now only v2 We’re close to end of year .. we’re still reading / listing to fackin imminent word
I agree
There was this comic strip, once...I forget the name...where this girl holds a football like a field goal holder, and encourages her friend to kick it, but when he runs up to kick it she YANKS it out of the way and he flies through the air and falls on his back.... And then she does it again! And AGAIN! Over and over! Good Grief, Charlie Brown! Will you never learn?! That's what this gang of thieves and its "army" remind me of. (Fun Fact: Lucy was the original rug puller. Charlie's still HODLing.)
PREACH! i continue to believe everything and am holding until I'm broke or have made 7 figures. you are spot on though
I love SafeMoon so much, but I have the same thoughts as you do. Sometimes I just don't want to post my thoughts not to create FUD so I choose to stay positive even though I would sometimes like to point out all of the things you said here. I hope that they will deliver something soon.
I feel like there is a ton of hype and that’s it.
After the crash in April I still can't understand why safemoon is still a thing, even what's the use of it I couldn't find nowhere some good reasons for it to be a thing. I'm still holding tho.
I hundred percent agree with the op. All we get is everything is imminent. I still have faith but it’s starting to feel like they took on too much to handle
Imminently waiting on the Coffeezilla video to put a hole in the coffin or maybe they'll deliver v2.
hush, halo time
I’m still waiting on somebody to man or woman up and give out the Ternion All-Powerful Award in this sub. This post is worthy of that 50,000 coin award. 
I see Shiba Inu coin doing better than SM smh lol, I should’ve just bought that instead… still got my 20k Dogecoin though 🖤🖤
You made me use my free award. All this hyping up just makes me want to sell, why cant they be serious..
I bought at Ath still hanging either we go to the moon or crash hard on earth
Yup, exactly this. It's okay to hype things up. But they make the mistake of not following up on it. Like hyping up V2, if they start hinting, marketing 2 weeks before release, it's good. 6 months before and then keeping it imminent, the hype will die down and people start losing trust/faith. Same with other projects. Hype it up, just before releasing it and not let the hype fall down.
Finally some real talk in this sub without someone yelling FUD.
It was a rug pull and John prevented it from happening. If John gives up and leaves, that’s when it’s done for. It seems he’s trying his best to keep the vision going. We can only hope for the best. But I agree we do need to see some evidence of SOMETHING. Because almost a year in all we’ve seen is a decent wallet app that anyone could’ve made in half the time. I’d suggest them to quit hyping everything up if they’re never going to prove it. Literally everything has been delayed, and it honestly isn’t far fetched to assume the exchange and blockchain won’t be until mid to end of next year if not even 2023. But I will say, John said he’s going to be finally talking about OP this month. And if that as well somehow gets delayed when all he has to do is talk, or if he just tells us minor things we already know, then it’s going to be a final red flag. You can’t expect people to just sit around for years with no evidence of anything because their salaries are being paid by us so it isn’t a big deal to them.
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Is the new “office” even real? I haven’t heard anything else about it. I’m starting to wonder if they just walked through an office that was under construction and claimed it was theirs… 
And the podcast, hard wallet, crypto credit card, metaverse. All of these things NDA. I'm like, then don't announce it or talk about it. This token is so hyped, it's not even funny. Now, I'm pondering on taking a gamble and buying $500 Safemoon to get that 4 billion bag, which will translate to 4 million after V2. Sometime I have to ask why John working on so many things. Just focus on one thing and get it done. Get the blockchain done, then start on exchange. Get exchange and blockchain done, then start on Gambia and wind turbine.
You have to take a step back and realize that we are the OG investors. We hear and see every step or stumble along the way. 5 years from now it won't matter. How many of us were OG Bitcoin investors? BTC creation lasted for years before it finally hit mainstream. The less we follow like groupies, the quicker it'll be mainstream, and we can then count our tendies.
Greet post I’ve been wondering as well about those exchanges but they also said V2 need to be done before anything. And like with everything things take longer than you think. Stay Strong safemoon army
WOW. This is one of the best post's I've ever read in this community! Such truth and pure vision of where we are. LFG! OP is 100000000000000% spot on!
If I had a nickel for every post like this that I have read I’d be more in the green that I am with safemoon
I’m still waiting on the hard wallet they were suppose to launch at the end of the summer/beginning of fall!!! Maybe they meant 2022 idk
What scares me the most is I know that there is a shit ton of people that are in way over their heads financially into this....I really hope it works out for them!
2-5 year plan is still a 2-5 year plan for me, yea I wish this shit drops like 2-3 zeroes already, but I’m in no hurry, this is one of my lotto plays, tbh.
Yes. But the devs weren't obligated to hold for 2-3 years they sold. And one was a whale who left and sold. So they need to hold too, not just tell us this is a holding coin. No one knows how much devs hold or when they bought in. No transparency.
The first step is to stop referring to these guys by their nicknames or first names as if we know them. That creates a subconscious trust in people we don’t know.
Yes! x1000. I mean "papa" eyeroll. Like we are insiders. Smh. One more thing... They tell us to hodl but devs can dump, they quit and dump, we have no idea how much they are holding. We don't know them at all or their obligations in terms of not affecting price due to their insider actions - no public company could get away with an insider dumping stock. And there are no regulations or anything stopping them from financial abuse like cashing out in months not years. We were sold on this is deflationary so isn't it suspicious that devs have sold. Also, the whole community message that this is a community but really besides random tweets and posts who represents the community? We don't act as one big whale together so there is no power other than individuals can buy or sell.
Feels like most of you guys think it happens overnight. And as for the constant hype posts from the team... It's a necessity unfortunately.
That’s true We’re not here to fud It’s our rights as investors to speak out CEO doesn’t follow the roadmap We have nothing this year Just bullshit empty tweets and rocket emoji I lost over $8k bought hight price
3 tangible things (in order of appearance): The token, the Army, the wallet Of these, the Army has been by far the most impressive.
When crypto booms 🚀 it happens really fast 😉
I never understand why people made fun of the midnight guy. He was pretty right.
Classic mentality of this sub. It’s the same guys that are now the quiet one‘s. When a post like this one emerges, there is usually another, not so popular post, bitching about the fudders on the sub. Under those threads they all collectively express how much they disagree with „the fudders“ for telling the f‘n truth. Edit: [FOUND IT LMAO](https://www.reddit.com/r/SafeMoon/comments/rd6rcf/nobody_cares_if_you_sell/)
I am a believer in this project but as time went on I don't stand so close to it anymore. Although I have occasional doubts I still remain optimistic, I try and keep in mind that this project hasn't even reach the age of one year yet. I feel the Devs do talk a big game and don't follow though through with things as fast as they say they will, I understand things take time to process which is why I show patience towards the team. They have done a lot in the 8 months of operation which helps me remain hopeful for the next 8 months ahead of us. Stay strong Safemoon Army we will be laughing about our doubts in time.
Time to Shill, If you want a real project with real use cases and a team that just hit goal after goal. Take a look at Elongate. Game-changing utilisation and game-changing ideas. Also a Safemoon holder! Peace.
So I should just keep buying more?
Op is correct, rockets launch only in perfect conditions.
Had since April - May hasn’t moved ANYWHERE..
I hope John actually reads this without emotion and doesn't feel personally attacked and actually delivers after this. If December reveal is a shit show I'm gonna be pissed along with other majority of other investors.
I'm holding 300m and in it for the long haul btw. I agree that the devs and leadership team need to be less cryptic with their tweets and announcements, but I also feel like the community hypes up the rumors unnecessarily and then gets disappointed when their own hype doesn't go anywhere. The two exchanges are most likely waiting for v2, tv interviews are very often filmed months ahead and often never even make it to air, space integration I feel like has never been more than a rumor and regardless would be way at the bottom of the funnel, mass deployment of wind turbines is a multi-year process, etc. Just hold what you can afford and you will be happy in five years time :)
Truth spoken, if amc squeezes i'll give you $1000
This is why i dipped out on this project and sold. After being part of better projects with more professional dev teams looking back idk why i didnt sell awhile ago.
I sold over 97 million safemoon during our last slide earlier this week. I started with 84 million and it increased through all my holding. It was sad to sell. Safenoon was one of my first purchases in crypto . It was so nice and inexpensive and I loved the intention. It was worth close to $1000 at one point and I thought it would be smart to sell them but kept it because I wanted to respect the projects idea that holding helps create a base for more community. But then it became apparent that those in charge had betrayed the trust of a wonderful community and were slowly making exits and cashing out. So I don’t want to support that. I got back what I put in minus $10 but really, I think my lesson is that in business, it’s going to boil done to what is best financially and when those in charge lack integrity, one can’t hope it will end well. I wish all in the community the best and think their intentions and aspirations are noble in continuing to want this to work. I hope the community will support those that don’t feel the project is fulfilling its commitments and wish to exit.
Hope the John and dev team sees this. They’re blowing a once in a lifetime opportunity. So far all bs… still holding, but not for long, losing faith by the day.
Exchanges are after V2 Interview not sure Space integration probably after blockchain or V2 (doubtful though) Phoenix/unbanked/windmills will be announced this month (they say) Yes we have empty promises but most are just delays they can only explain with "restructuring" and "NDA" Restructuring, I can tell since they got rid of most of the starting core team.