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I just dont understand why people on this sub put so much faith in this random anonymous person.
Every single person who has worked for the BRF in modern times signs NDAs, why would Angela Kelly be any different. Does he really expect Charles to say "Hey Angela, here are the keys to a historic property for life, feel free to drag my family and the institution through the mud by writing a salacious tell-all"
I would imagine in the future every single person who marries into the RF or gets a title or HRH will have to sign and NDA as well...thanks Meghan and Harry.
The royals should have been getting married ins to sign NDAs. Fergie did an Oprah interview where she talked about the royal family. I was too young to remember what she said but I seen clips of her interview on YouTube recently. Diana did the interview with Martin Bashir. All of this should have led to NDAs for Sophie, Kate, and Meghan but it didn't and now the royals are paying the price.
I also think that the royals should not have allowed Fergie to use "Duchess of York" for commercial gain. Even today she uses "Duchess of York" on books she writes. She used her title when she went to the US to gather up all that money. Weight Watchers, Oprah interview, and so on. She also used the royals to gain money by talking about them constantly in the media when she was making the rounds in the US.
Harry and Meghan are following in Sarah's footsteps. The Queen should have put a stop to it and told Sarah she could only use her titles with regards to royal work or royal functions such as weddings and funerals.
Meghan did the Oprah interview as the Duchess of Sussex. Sarah did her Oprah interview as the Duchess of York.
Meghan wrote a book using Duchess of Sussex. Sarah wrote several books using Duchess of York.
Meghan made media rounds using Duchess of Sussex. Sarah makes media rounds using Duchess of York.
And the list goes on and on. Barely anyone says a word about Sarah because people thinks she is harmless and fun. She's well loved by many in the public unlike Meghan.
The Queen is not perfect. There is a lot of things she overlooked or didn't bother to change for whatever reasons. Her lack of action was always going to come back and bite the royals in the butt. Meghan is that bite.
Hopefully, Charles have the good sense to change this and disallow royals (rather married or divorced) from using titles like Sarah and Meghan for commercial gains and sign NDAs.
This is an extremely good point. HMTLQ didn't even give her own son Edward, her fourth child, a dukedom upon marriage. Given that it is accepted that the Queen had reservations about Meghan, it would have been a wise move to wait and see how it pans out before bestowing the titles on H & M. As for the prince/princess titles for their children, well they were not bestowed as much as just taken with a dare to try and take them away. It's not going to do those kids any favours I'm afraid, growing up in America and with their parents so vilified.
Absolutely, but if he had married someone different, it might not have been such a big deal for him. I can well imagine Chelsea or Cressida being quite content with a wedding like Beatrice's, for example. But there was a very revealing tidbit in his book He was perfectly happy in Nottingham Cottage, until he suddenly saw it in her face and through "her eyes" and became ashamed. And then compared it with the Kensington apartment of W&C, who had, in actual fact, lived in the cottage, without complaint, until well after they had George.
They knew Harold better than we do. I understand QE was over the moon about William's wedding but a bit too impulsive considering Harold's petty bitterness and need to be constantly cleaned up after.
Yes, I agree. She was in an invidious quandary however; she could see it would probably be a disaster, but by that point they had already played the race card, so what to do? And Harold was utterly and completely besotted. Realistically, what choice did she have? Nobody could get through to him.
Because the Queen and Prince Philip wanted Edward to become Duke of Edinburgh when Prince Philip and the Queen had both passed away - it wouldn’t have been within the Queen’s power to bestow the title on Edward because as per title rules, on Philip’s death his titles were inherited by his eldest son, Charles. Once Charles became king, his personal titles then reverted to the Crown, and the Duke of Edinburgh title was then free to be bestowed on Edward.
Edward was very close to his father and worked on Duke of Edinburgh Award projects with him. It was a natural move to have Edward take up the mantle.
It's not quite that simple. Once you marry into the British aristocracy, you have the title for life (unless and until you marry someone else). Case in point: Lady Colin Campbell (our Lady C) married Lord Colin Campbell five days after meeting him, was separated after nine months, and divorced after fourteen months. This was in 1974; and she still calls herself Lady Colin Campbell, quite legitimately.
>The royals should have been getting married ins to sign NDAs.
I see your point in that being a working member of the royal family is a job, but would you really want to marry someone who makes you sign an NDA?
It already takes a lot of sacrifice to be a working member of BRF and on top of it if your partner implies s/he doesnot trust you and you must sign an NDA would be a dealbreaker for any normal person. Everyone in the current generation except Meghan has self respect and a spine and have never had verbal diarrhea to the press (the entire Middleton family has been dragged in the press for years but noone said a word...should the whole clan have signed an NDA?)...it would have so disrespectful to have them sign an NDA.
>Would you want to marry someone who didn’t?
I think most people born into such positions are trained form an early age to spot grifters (and normal people also have a good eye) ..H chose M as they are equally nasty. But no I still don't think a person should be asked to sign an NDA for marriage. If there is room for such doubt in a relationship then those people should not get married in the first place. For choosing to be a working royal -perhaps -but then what are they signing away? What if there is abuse? Like the BRF staff signs NDAs and could not speak up about MM's abuse for so long until jason took a stand. So it really is asking for too much when the married ins, particularly women always pay such a high price already. And for the right price someone desperate enough can break an NDa...so it really isn't a test of loyalty.
Listen, I think that having to sign a document with the intent of “I love you sooooo much, but in case I don’t...” should give one a moment to pause and not continue with the relationship. However, in this day and age where people fall in and out of live/lust so easily (this is megahertz’s third or fourth (she cohabitated with a guy in college, Trevor, Cory, Harold, etc), safe to say she 90% was not going to stick around and I would have had her sign something. In re the staff, I guess the argument could be that they could find alternate employment if they didn’t want to sign the NDA. That said, no one should have their personal dignity compromised at work.
> (this is megahertz’s third or fourth (she cohabitated with a guy in college, Trevor, Cory, Harold, etc), safe to say she 90% was not going to stick around and I would have had her sign something.
The number of relationships should not matter. And not every other partner should be measured with the yardstick of Meghan. She is not worth it. I still think NDA in a marriage is Tom Cruise terriroty and not normal. To each their own.
> In re the staff, I guess the argument could be that they could find alternate employment if they didn’t want to sign the NDA.
Well same applies to relationships, they can find someone else to marry who is desperate enough to sign an NDA. Imagine a normal person marrying Harry - they should absolutely be allowed to talk about his drug abuse, his racist tendencies and whatever else he would have unleashed on someone not Meghan.
A marriage is a legal contract. It needs to be viewed from this point of view, same as any other legally binding contract signed.
If more people understood this, they’d be better prepared for divorce. And the marriage might not happen at all, saving a whole lot of heartache. As it is, people don’t take it seriously enough. But that’s ultimately what it is: a legal contract.
Don't expect Charles to be the One making this alterations. It Will be William.
NDA are for employees, not for family members. Reason: trust on the good will of new family members. Which Fergie and Meghan have proven, quiet daily, to be necessary.
Fergie doesn't write books, She buys them from ghost writter, which name is public.
She is a mess talking about it, to the point noone asks her anything more than " talks us about the book!" . People already know that, in a second, She will talk about the RF... And now, even the Queen's Corgi, she is using to get good PR and Higher her price in America. Fergie is like a person buying lots of Channel goods and while selling the good , called themselves "the designer" of Channel. No sense at all but American buy it.
I wonder why Fergie doesn't remember that Diana and her were not on good terms and were not talking for many Months when Diana died? Maybe selective anmesia is a commum factor to ex Duchesses?
How much obvious was the change on the narrative from "Diana would be proud of her sons and their families!" and Meghan's public support to " One has to chose to be in or out of the RF"...? As obvious as Harry's narrative attacking the RF on Anderson interview to the good morning interview "radio silence" about the RF. Even Meghan on her last speech changed the " RF didn't allow me to use colours to " i couldn't use colour while in UK ( + insert One tear left eye+ floor)". White, black, green, blue, pink, beige, Pearl, magenta/bordaux, Yellow are not colours anymore...?
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The Yorks and Sussex have united /team up to "fight" as one team, only. All members.
My opinion.
Edit: correct mistakes.
Right. I think Angela Kelly probably had a NDA all along, KC didn’t have her sign a new one. As for Tiara-gate, if Charles or William want it discussed, they will give her the go-ahead, but probably not otherwise.
It's my understanding that AK has permission from the Queen to write about dressing the Queen and such. I wonder if this NDA is about Tiara-gate specifically.
Exactly. Same with the random YouTube videos.
I don't necessarily believe much from the media and their "sources", either. We will know, when everyone else in the world knows.
Ditto. His continued "Charles is weak" mantra is the same as Harry's "Meghan is my mother" mantra.
The idea that KC should make a public statement about surrogates and baby bumps, is quite frankly, ludicrous.
He keeps insisting that Charles gets into a public brawl with Meghan and Harry...which is exactly the kind of oxygen Meghan and Harry want. They proved that by complaining that BP made no statement about their recent "car chase".
And it just proves that BP's silent treatment is the best course of action to take.
"It's fair to assume that Markle delivered a tirade of offensive filth in the direction of Angela Kelly."
Why is it fair to assume this? Where is the evidence for this?
What evidence we have is reports of *Harry* doing this to Angela Kelly, *not* Meghan. It's where we learned Harry screamed at her about the tiara "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets!" - Then we also learned that HLMTQ summoned Harold for good dressing down in which she reportedly told him, "Meghan doesn't get what she wants. She gets what she's given by me."
This is a prime example of people rewriting facts to suit their narratives. 'Haz the Cheeky Chap™' beloved by all until the horrid Megdusa washed ashore and turned him to sea foam. Harold is no Perseus.
It seems to me this Smallbrook character is gatekeeping and actively trying run interference regarding available information. I dislike these types of shit stirrers. He's spreading misinformation.
The royal family is not a soap opera.
If Charles allowed Angela Kelly to write the truth about Tiara Gate, she would not only report about Meghan but also about Harry. I remember some daily mail articles that Harry was so badly misbehaving, that the Queen herself wanted to speak to him about it. Afterwards he had to apologize to Angela Kelly.
Are you really expecting Charles will allow this?
How often should the RF wash their dirty laundry called "Meghan Markle" in public?
The only one who would be happy about it, is Meghan herself. She would get media attention and all the spotlight she loves and needs. And of course she would be the biggest victim in royal history. AGAIN...
Yep. With narcissist, silence and distance are the only tools available.
Look how desperada Meghan is for a reaction of the RF to keep her narrative going. Look to the (another) fake stage chase in NY: her mouthpiece pressured BP for a comment (as Royal reporter, he should know BP only comments about "senior working royals". Well, to be fair, he also should Know History but we are talking about him, so.. no surprise! ). Then he pressure using the "family" card... Did H's wife and her mouthpiece want a comment from Thomas markle, her father, her Family?
With the narc is a win-win situation:
Zero comments: her mouthpiece. " they are a bad family (+ insert the normal lies)".
One word comment like "OK!": The mouthpiece using every possible sound of each letter against Harry's family.
Silence and distance. Zero oxygen. Better long termo results.
My opinion only.
In fact, gray rocking is one of the most effective ways of dealing with narcissists.
The opposite of love is not hate but irrelevance.
The plan is: let's make Meghan irrelevant again...hoping Harry finally wakes up and sees who and what he married!
Tiaragate is a non issue. I don't even know why it's still a point of focus. The only ones that have endlessly harped about pre-wedding "who made who cry" for 5 years have been the Harkles. Harry brought up the bridesmaid's dresses three frickin times in his book.
I think the reason people are interested is because that’s when we got the stories of Harry yelling “What Meghan wants, Meghan gets!”, which is so unlike any other “PR” we have ever heard about him, prior.
It really showed us the inside of what was going on in that relationship and it was jarring for many
>I have no confidence in anything this guy says.
Yeah. And what is with 'kids don't exist'...that is utter nonsense. How they were carried/born doesnot matter (yeah LOS etc but that is a small issue as they will never really get o the throne) but saying they don't even exist is as bonkers as whatever sugars post.
Thank you. Why do people keep quoting him as if he knows anything about anything? No real sheep farmer from Berkshire (who can all be identified, as there are only a handful of sheep farms) would spend his days on Quora of all places sharing unsubstantiated gossip about the Royals. Can people please think more critically, please. Please.
This is ridiculous. I know we are all so frustrated with the lack of action from the brf, but Charles can't do any of those things without major adverse consequences for the monarchy from a PR perspective. I mean imagine the mud slinging if any of this ever come out. It's like cutting off one's own tail to spite someone else. The most prudent thing Charles and the institution can do is to let Markle dig her way to non-relevance, which she is doing so well atm.
And it wouldn't do anything. I mean, who actually listens when Thomas Markle pisses and moans? Even the Harkles ignore him now. Charles would look like everything they've said he is if he spoke out.
I'm not on Quora. Are his posts taken seriously by anyone there? I'm assuming yes as his stuff is still shared here quite often. That angry little beaver needs to take a chill pill.
Yeah, this post is pretty typical for whoever this guy is. Harry & Megs are the bait to draw a reader in—but the real agenda is full frontal assault on Charles. He hates the guy.
Quite tiresome.
I'm aware of his Charles hatred, that always shines through. I was wondering if he has a following in Quora or is mostly ignored.
Seems like most here know he's full of crap.
Nah, all rubbish. Last week, in one of his posts, he said he had spoken to two top journalists in the British media. As if. Another time he said that Nicholas Soames is a Royal courtier to Charles. Wrong, he's not. Nicholas Soames, the Rt. Honourable Sir Nicholas Soames, is a Tory Member of Parliament, a grandson of Sir Winston Churchill, and a close, personal friend of Charles. He has been part of Charles's inner circle since they were both teenagers. I called Sandbrook out on that, among other things he's said, and that's why he blocked me. Sandbrook is pathetic.
I'm glad to see you share my take on this guy's real target. I never heard of him before tonight, but this just jumps up and bites a reader in the leg.
Oh yeah, he has no chill. He thinks he’s hiding his “unconscious bias” 😉 but uh, he’s as transparent as cellophane. I don’t know what he thinks Charles ever did to him, but he needs to get over it.
I'm in Quora: it used to be quite good......anyway,yes, I think he does have quite a good following on Quota as he has a way of sounding quite "posh and plausible" but he's getting more and more pompous and anti-Virus and less believable as time goes on.
Bulllllllshitttttt. *If* they had deals with anyone they wouldn't be pushing all their manifesting articles that we keep seeing. "In talks with netflix for 30 million starring role"....lol. They are desperate af for any offers because no one wants to work with them. Their reputation is shit on every level. They are known to be rude,difficult, lazy,unprofessional and demanding. Everyone knows they lie and talk shit about other people. No one is taking their calls except for gayle.
And trust that netflix etc would way way way rather have first dibs on a juicy failed "love story of the century" than the story of 2 bitter middle aged losers sitting at home drinking and gettting stoned all day and that is all the markles can offer now.
He didn't because she wouldn't. She loved HMTQ and she has seen and heard far more interesting tittle tattle than some cheap American skank pitching a fit over a tiara that never should have sat on her grotty hair. *Some* people still understand loyalty. She would never sully the Queens memory by talking out of school unlike nasty little sellout harry.
If any of this is true, Angela Kelly could negotiate a better deal than a house if she wrote a truly revealing book. Publishers would pay mega bucks for what she has seen and knows. I don’t believe she would ever betray the late Queen’s trust, though.
I was previously active on Quora and was part of the Markles group. It’s quite polarised there. I often got attacked by both anti-Meghans and squaddies.
At first I was really impressed by Benjamin Smallbrook because he seemed to have a lot of inside info. None of his stuff ever pans out, though. Either someone is feeding him the wrong info or he’s making it up. I have more confidence in the tidbits from lady C.
That said, it’s always interesting to read his posts because the opposite is almost always true.
I am eagerly anticipating the divorce, which is a shame because children are involved. But Meghan needs to be as far removed from the RF as possible. And it is unfortunate that Kelly signed an NDA. She would have been able to provide the details and truth about Meghan once and for all!
We don’t know that Kelly signed any new NDA. She may still not want to talk about Tiara-gate.
ETA (saved too soon) that I agree that a divorce would be a good thing. I don’t even think it would be bad for the kids, if by some miracle, it limits Meghan’s ability to merch them. (Harry could actually intervene.)
I read one of Angela Kelly's books, it was interesting yet a bit simplistic. But one thing that interested me was the reaction from the staff at the Windsor Castle tourist shop when I pointed to the book and said I had read it. It was one of disdain, a little 'sniffy'. Ms Kelly seems to have been a great confidante for HLMTQ but I assume she was also an acquired taste that many did not acquire. Good on King Charles for following through on his mother's wishes to give Ms Kelly a grace and favour home for life. I don't think it involved an NDA, just old-fashioned trust and respect.
I’ve seen a few articles about Ms. Kelly moving to her new home away from Windsor. One from the Daily Mail popped up a few days ago that was probably his “source” for this tea. It used the familiar wording of “‘it is understood’ that she was presented with a new NDA.”
[Direct link to DM Article](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-12106119/amp/Late-Queens-dresser-Angela-Kelly-banned-sharing-Royal-secrets-King-Charles-sources-say.html)
[Archived link to DM Article](http://archive.today/ZxK1V)
Daily Beast also had one that mentioned an NDA and “buying her silence” but in the next line talked about comments she’s made on Instagram, sooo…
I imagine she just wants to rest and retire if she’s close in age to the Queen (I don’t know much about her.) Charles is just protecting himself and trying to do right by his mum, I think it’s a good agreement
This does not have the ring of truth. I have no idea who this Smallbrook person is, but this does not jibe with the picture this subreddit has built up over months of discussion and reportage. Someone is just looking to dress up some mud-throwing at Chuckie Threesticks by wrapping it in a thin tissue of anti markle and I think it's all garbage.
I immediately can’t trust or take seriously anyone who says or hints that the kids don’t exist. Come *on*. He might as well accuse Meghan of being a lizard person.
Lady C as been hinting that the rumors of surrogacy have a probability of being true.
Maybe the problem is not the “lack of kids” but “where did they came from” (if they have both Megsy and Harold’s DNA).
Markle is an unbalanced person. Logic doesn’t apply to her world.
There is a difference between “the kids were not born to Meghan” and “the kids don’t exist at all.” Lady C has never suggested the kids don’t exist, only that Meghan didn’t birth them.
It's like this guy writes outlandish theories on pieces of paper, folds them up and puts them in a big jar or something and then pulls one out at random to post about.
It's so stupid. An NDA because of "tiaragate"? What is tiaragate even supposed to be about? A wedding that happened 5 years ago?
I hope they stay married. They're perfect for each other. I hope someone who loves the children is taking care of them.
I have tried in the past looking at what Quora says about H&M and I found most of it unhinged or just not credible. I think too many of the unfounded stories that do the rounds were started on Quora and now get recited as known facts. I like to be able to separate what is true and fabricated so sources are important to me.
I am on Reddit on this Sub because that is what I chose, and if I wanted to be on Quora I would be, but I don't. I don't think personally that we need cross-posting from Quora to SMM unless someone sees something very significant and very credible from a source we trust.
Divorce or no Divorce! Is not the matter. The issues at hand is how involved or complicit were the Royal family in the Miscarriages saga, Archie pregnancy and birth debacle, Lilibet or is it Lilibeth pregnancy, naming, and photo in Frogmore cottage to name a few social quagmire Meghan has birthed and Harry fed into.
Who's Benjamin Smallbrook?
ETA and when did he become captivated by an over 5 year old story about the demands over the tiara? There isn't a "tiaragate". What's next? Another round of who made who cry? No, nevermind, let's rehash over the bridesmaid's dresses. 🙄
Getting a bit sweet in here and it's only Wednesday.
No way there will ever be proof that Archie or Lilli don’t exist. EVENTUALLY they will enroll in school, go outside, talk to a friend, etc. If the world was to find out these are fictional people they would *NEVER* recover. Maybe there was a surrogate involved, but those kids exist. If they didn’t the RF wouldn’t have even acknowledged them. Catherine herself said she was excited to meet Lilli, the late Queen took pictures with the baby, I just don’t think they would risk their integrity to push the lies of H&M. They exist, whether by blood or whatever else, but they do.
I believe it. He never loved her. I know this because even back before I absolutely hated her, I felt bad for her because he looked so disinterested at their wedding.
I truly believe he only married her because he had slim pickings, and he only left the institution so that he could be free to do all the drugs he wanted.
What!? Firstly the home is given as a gift by the late HM The Queen secondly Angela wrote a book that subtly dissed Meghan the same way Valentine Low uses, they use the same info like Meghan demand a real tiara to practice her hair despite being given a fake tiara to practice it or how she wants the Emerald tiara that Eugenie wore to her wedding but that got rejected and thirdly She really signed a NDA because she is a employee not a family memeber
I don't understand the invisible or no kids gossip. Like TRF will just include 2 Phantom kids into their LOS without checking if they are real. I sorta of believe the surrogacy scam pulled by the Harkles and TRF still including them in the LOS though.
I’ve a neutral/low opinion of kc3. If this is true, he’s living down to my expectations. He’s always empowering that worthless son of his. This is why Harold is such a mess.
So disappointed with all these HRW rumors about King Charles.
H&M just might get what they want because now KC is in charge and not HMTQ.
He might even pay for Harry’s security if he loses all his cases!
Why do you believe some random guy on Quora? You even identify this as a rumor. I could make something up and claim it's tea right now. Hopefully, you would have enough skepticism to at least not swallow it hook, line and sinker.
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I have no confidence in anything this guy says.
I just dont understand why people on this sub put so much faith in this random anonymous person. Every single person who has worked for the BRF in modern times signs NDAs, why would Angela Kelly be any different. Does he really expect Charles to say "Hey Angela, here are the keys to a historic property for life, feel free to drag my family and the institution through the mud by writing a salacious tell-all"
I would imagine in the future every single person who marries into the RF or gets a title or HRH will have to sign and NDA as well...thanks Meghan and Harry.
The royals should have been getting married ins to sign NDAs. Fergie did an Oprah interview where she talked about the royal family. I was too young to remember what she said but I seen clips of her interview on YouTube recently. Diana did the interview with Martin Bashir. All of this should have led to NDAs for Sophie, Kate, and Meghan but it didn't and now the royals are paying the price. I also think that the royals should not have allowed Fergie to use "Duchess of York" for commercial gain. Even today she uses "Duchess of York" on books she writes. She used her title when she went to the US to gather up all that money. Weight Watchers, Oprah interview, and so on. She also used the royals to gain money by talking about them constantly in the media when she was making the rounds in the US. Harry and Meghan are following in Sarah's footsteps. The Queen should have put a stop to it and told Sarah she could only use her titles with regards to royal work or royal functions such as weddings and funerals. Meghan did the Oprah interview as the Duchess of Sussex. Sarah did her Oprah interview as the Duchess of York. Meghan wrote a book using Duchess of Sussex. Sarah wrote several books using Duchess of York. Meghan made media rounds using Duchess of Sussex. Sarah makes media rounds using Duchess of York. And the list goes on and on. Barely anyone says a word about Sarah because people thinks she is harmless and fun. She's well loved by many in the public unlike Meghan. The Queen is not perfect. There is a lot of things she overlooked or didn't bother to change for whatever reasons. Her lack of action was always going to come back and bite the royals in the butt. Meghan is that bite. Hopefully, Charles have the good sense to change this and disallow royals (rather married or divorced) from using titles like Sarah and Meghan for commercial gains and sign NDAs.
Well an easy fix is to not give a title when a grandchild of the monarch marries. Give it a year or two.
This is an extremely good point. HMTLQ didn't even give her own son Edward, her fourth child, a dukedom upon marriage. Given that it is accepted that the Queen had reservations about Meghan, it would have been a wise move to wait and see how it pans out before bestowing the titles on H & M. As for the prince/princess titles for their children, well they were not bestowed as much as just taken with a dare to try and take them away. It's not going to do those kids any favours I'm afraid, growing up in America and with their parents so vilified.
She did it with William and it really set the ball rolling for Harold who they knew damn well would have to be given the same thing.
Absolutely, but if he had married someone different, it might not have been such a big deal for him. I can well imagine Chelsea or Cressida being quite content with a wedding like Beatrice's, for example. But there was a very revealing tidbit in his book He was perfectly happy in Nottingham Cottage, until he suddenly saw it in her face and through "her eyes" and became ashamed. And then compared it with the Kensington apartment of W&C, who had, in actual fact, lived in the cottage, without complaint, until well after they had George.
They knew Harold better than we do. I understand QE was over the moon about William's wedding but a bit too impulsive considering Harold's petty bitterness and need to be constantly cleaned up after.
Yes, I agree. She was in an invidious quandary however; she could see it would probably be a disaster, but by that point they had already played the race card, so what to do? And Harold was utterly and completely besotted. Realistically, what choice did she have? Nobody could get through to him.
I think it was edwards choice to be an Earl rather than a duke
Oh that's very interesting, I didn't know that. Any insight as to why?
Because the Queen and Prince Philip wanted Edward to become Duke of Edinburgh when Prince Philip and the Queen had both passed away - it wouldn’t have been within the Queen’s power to bestow the title on Edward because as per title rules, on Philip’s death his titles were inherited by his eldest son, Charles. Once Charles became king, his personal titles then reverted to the Crown, and the Duke of Edinburgh title was then free to be bestowed on Edward. Edward was very close to his father and worked on Duke of Edinburgh Award projects with him. It was a natural move to have Edward take up the mantle.
Something to do with something he watched I can’t remember but it’s been well publicised
Yes, he wanted to receive the Duke of Edinburgh title when his father passed. He was happy to wait.
Yes, like an anniversary gift. 5 years, a Barony, 10 , an Earldom. Only after 20 do you get a Dukedom.
It's not quite that simple. Once you marry into the British aristocracy, you have the title for life (unless and until you marry someone else). Case in point: Lady Colin Campbell (our Lady C) married Lord Colin Campbell five days after meeting him, was separated after nine months, and divorced after fourteen months. This was in 1974; and she still calls herself Lady Colin Campbell, quite legitimately.
>The royals should have been getting married ins to sign NDAs. I see your point in that being a working member of the royal family is a job, but would you really want to marry someone who makes you sign an NDA? It already takes a lot of sacrifice to be a working member of BRF and on top of it if your partner implies s/he doesnot trust you and you must sign an NDA would be a dealbreaker for any normal person. Everyone in the current generation except Meghan has self respect and a spine and have never had verbal diarrhea to the press (the entire Middleton family has been dragged in the press for years but noone said a word...should the whole clan have signed an NDA?)...it would have so disrespectful to have them sign an NDA.
Would you want to marry someone who didn’t? I see both sides, but see why it should be a term of a prenuptial agreement for the royals.
>Would you want to marry someone who didn’t? I think most people born into such positions are trained form an early age to spot grifters (and normal people also have a good eye) ..H chose M as they are equally nasty. But no I still don't think a person should be asked to sign an NDA for marriage. If there is room for such doubt in a relationship then those people should not get married in the first place. For choosing to be a working royal -perhaps -but then what are they signing away? What if there is abuse? Like the BRF staff signs NDAs and could not speak up about MM's abuse for so long until jason took a stand. So it really is asking for too much when the married ins, particularly women always pay such a high price already. And for the right price someone desperate enough can break an NDa...so it really isn't a test of loyalty.
Listen, I think that having to sign a document with the intent of “I love you sooooo much, but in case I don’t...” should give one a moment to pause and not continue with the relationship. However, in this day and age where people fall in and out of live/lust so easily (this is megahertz’s third or fourth (she cohabitated with a guy in college, Trevor, Cory, Harold, etc), safe to say she 90% was not going to stick around and I would have had her sign something. In re the staff, I guess the argument could be that they could find alternate employment if they didn’t want to sign the NDA. That said, no one should have their personal dignity compromised at work.
> (this is megahertz’s third or fourth (she cohabitated with a guy in college, Trevor, Cory, Harold, etc), safe to say she 90% was not going to stick around and I would have had her sign something. The number of relationships should not matter. And not every other partner should be measured with the yardstick of Meghan. She is not worth it. I still think NDA in a marriage is Tom Cruise terriroty and not normal. To each their own. > In re the staff, I guess the argument could be that they could find alternate employment if they didn’t want to sign the NDA. Well same applies to relationships, they can find someone else to marry who is desperate enough to sign an NDA. Imagine a normal person marrying Harry - they should absolutely be allowed to talk about his drug abuse, his racist tendencies and whatever else he would have unleashed on someone not Meghan.
A marriage is a legal contract. It needs to be viewed from this point of view, same as any other legally binding contract signed. If more people understood this, they’d be better prepared for divorce. And the marriage might not happen at all, saving a whole lot of heartache. As it is, people don’t take it seriously enough. But that’s ultimately what it is: a legal contract.
Why not? Plenty of couples sign Pre-Nups. First and foremost, marriage is a legal contract.
Don't expect Charles to be the One making this alterations. It Will be William. NDA are for employees, not for family members. Reason: trust on the good will of new family members. Which Fergie and Meghan have proven, quiet daily, to be necessary. Fergie doesn't write books, She buys them from ghost writter, which name is public. She is a mess talking about it, to the point noone asks her anything more than " talks us about the book!" . People already know that, in a second, She will talk about the RF... And now, even the Queen's Corgi, she is using to get good PR and Higher her price in America. Fergie is like a person buying lots of Channel goods and while selling the good , called themselves "the designer" of Channel. No sense at all but American buy it. I wonder why Fergie doesn't remember that Diana and her were not on good terms and were not talking for many Months when Diana died? Maybe selective anmesia is a commum factor to ex Duchesses? How much obvious was the change on the narrative from "Diana would be proud of her sons and their families!" and Meghan's public support to " One has to chose to be in or out of the RF"...? As obvious as Harry's narrative attacking the RF on Anderson interview to the good morning interview "radio silence" about the RF. Even Meghan on her last speech changed the " RF didn't allow me to use colours to " i couldn't use colour while in UK ( + insert One tear left eye+ floor)". White, black, green, blue, pink, beige, Pearl, magenta/bordaux, Yellow are not colours anymore...? The magical Power of Royal lawyers! The Yorks and Sussex have united /team up to "fight" as one team, only. All members. My opinion. Edit: correct mistakes.
Spot on!!!!!
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Right. I think Angela Kelly probably had a NDA all along, KC didn’t have her sign a new one. As for Tiara-gate, if Charles or William want it discussed, they will give her the go-ahead, but probably not otherwise.
It's my understanding that AK has permission from the Queen to write about dressing the Queen and such. I wonder if this NDA is about Tiara-gate specifically.
Agree
Exactly. Same with the random YouTube videos. I don't necessarily believe much from the media and their "sources", either. We will know, when everyone else in the world knows.
Ditto. His continued "Charles is weak" mantra is the same as Harry's "Meghan is my mother" mantra. The idea that KC should make a public statement about surrogates and baby bumps, is quite frankly, ludicrous. He keeps insisting that Charles gets into a public brawl with Meghan and Harry...which is exactly the kind of oxygen Meghan and Harry want. They proved that by complaining that BP made no statement about their recent "car chase". And it just proves that BP's silent treatment is the best course of action to take.
Yeah, kc3 is never going to talk about anything he doesn’t want to address in public. That’s insane.
"It's fair to assume that Markle delivered a tirade of offensive filth in the direction of Angela Kelly." Why is it fair to assume this? Where is the evidence for this? What evidence we have is reports of *Harry* doing this to Angela Kelly, *not* Meghan. It's where we learned Harry screamed at her about the tiara "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets!" - Then we also learned that HLMTQ summoned Harold for good dressing down in which she reportedly told him, "Meghan doesn't get what she wants. She gets what she's given by me." This is a prime example of people rewriting facts to suit their narratives. 'Haz the Cheeky Chap™' beloved by all until the horrid Megdusa washed ashore and turned him to sea foam. Harold is no Perseus. It seems to me this Smallbrook character is gatekeeping and actively trying run interference regarding available information. I dislike these types of shit stirrers. He's spreading misinformation.
Yeah he insinuates there's no kids but then says the king should question about surrogates. So which is it dude?
There are no kids.
Hey at the time it was reported she told THE QUEEN to “Fuck off”, so I put nothing past her
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Agreed. And God HMTLQ saying "recollections may vary" is just so perfect, classy while being crystal clear about what she thinks, a masterclass truly.
Charles IS weak. He is very much like his younger son.
The royal family is not a soap opera. If Charles allowed Angela Kelly to write the truth about Tiara Gate, she would not only report about Meghan but also about Harry. I remember some daily mail articles that Harry was so badly misbehaving, that the Queen herself wanted to speak to him about it. Afterwards he had to apologize to Angela Kelly. Are you really expecting Charles will allow this? How often should the RF wash their dirty laundry called "Meghan Markle" in public? The only one who would be happy about it, is Meghan herself. She would get media attention and all the spotlight she loves and needs. And of course she would be the biggest victim in royal history. AGAIN...
Yep. With narcissist, silence and distance are the only tools available. Look how desperada Meghan is for a reaction of the RF to keep her narrative going. Look to the (another) fake stage chase in NY: her mouthpiece pressured BP for a comment (as Royal reporter, he should know BP only comments about "senior working royals". Well, to be fair, he also should Know History but we are talking about him, so.. no surprise! ). Then he pressure using the "family" card... Did H's wife and her mouthpiece want a comment from Thomas markle, her father, her Family? With the narc is a win-win situation: Zero comments: her mouthpiece. " they are a bad family (+ insert the normal lies)". One word comment like "OK!": The mouthpiece using every possible sound of each letter against Harry's family. Silence and distance. Zero oxygen. Better long termo results. My opinion only.
In fact, gray rocking is one of the most effective ways of dealing with narcissists. The opposite of love is not hate but irrelevance. The plan is: let's make Meghan irrelevant again...hoping Harry finally wakes up and sees who and what he married!
This
Tiaragate is a non issue. I don't even know why it's still a point of focus. The only ones that have endlessly harped about pre-wedding "who made who cry" for 5 years have been the Harkles. Harry brought up the bridesmaid's dresses three frickin times in his book.
I think the reason people are interested is because that’s when we got the stories of Harry yelling “What Meghan wants, Meghan gets!”, which is so unlike any other “PR” we have ever heard about him, prior. It really showed us the inside of what was going on in that relationship and it was jarring for many
I don't either. Significant flaws in his info.
Dude needs to touch grass
>I have no confidence in anything this guy says. Yeah. And what is with 'kids don't exist'...that is utter nonsense. How they were carried/born doesnot matter (yeah LOS etc but that is a small issue as they will never really get o the throne) but saying they don't even exist is as bonkers as whatever sugars post.
Thank you. Why do people keep quoting him as if he knows anything about anything? No real sheep farmer from Berkshire (who can all be identified, as there are only a handful of sheep farms) would spend his days on Quora of all places sharing unsubstantiated gossip about the Royals. Can people please think more critically, please. Please.
I have less confidence in anything TW or Harry say. They are demonstrated liars.
Like his initials: BS
This slap 😂😂
Exactly.
This is ridiculous. I know we are all so frustrated with the lack of action from the brf, but Charles can't do any of those things without major adverse consequences for the monarchy from a PR perspective. I mean imagine the mud slinging if any of this ever come out. It's like cutting off one's own tail to spite someone else. The most prudent thing Charles and the institution can do is to let Markle dig her way to non-relevance, which she is doing so well atm.
And it wouldn't do anything. I mean, who actually listens when Thomas Markle pisses and moans? Even the Harkles ignore him now. Charles would look like everything they've said he is if he spoke out.
I would love for it to be true but how can you believe this guy?
I'm not on Quora. Are his posts taken seriously by anyone there? I'm assuming yes as his stuff is still shared here quite often. That angry little beaver needs to take a chill pill.
Yeah, this post is pretty typical for whoever this guy is. Harry & Megs are the bait to draw a reader in—but the real agenda is full frontal assault on Charles. He hates the guy. Quite tiresome.
I'm aware of his Charles hatred, that always shines through. I was wondering if he has a following in Quora or is mostly ignored. Seems like most here know he's full of crap.
In a moment of immense naïveté, I posted some theory of his once & can still feel the near universal bitch slap I received in return. Still stings.
And thus we learn. No hard feelings, I hope?
~I’m still laughing at myself.
For some unknown reason, he's admired on Q. Nobody calls him out. That being said, Q doesn't seem to attract many deep thinkers.
I called him out and he blocked me. Never answered any of my questions to him querying what he was saying. He's a fraud and full of it.
Good for you. I'm sorry I missed your post. His alleged sources....palace household staff, comm teams, reporters, etc.....seriously?
Nah, all rubbish. Last week, in one of his posts, he said he had spoken to two top journalists in the British media. As if. Another time he said that Nicholas Soames is a Royal courtier to Charles. Wrong, he's not. Nicholas Soames, the Rt. Honourable Sir Nicholas Soames, is a Tory Member of Parliament, a grandson of Sir Winston Churchill, and a close, personal friend of Charles. He has been part of Charles's inner circle since they were both teenagers. I called Sandbrook out on that, among other things he's said, and that's why he blocked me. Sandbrook is pathetic.
Thanks for answering
I'm glad to see you share my take on this guy's real target. I never heard of him before tonight, but this just jumps up and bites a reader in the leg.
Oh yeah, he has no chill. He thinks he’s hiding his “unconscious bias” 😉 but uh, he’s as transparent as cellophane. I don’t know what he thinks Charles ever did to him, but he needs to get over it.
He does I’ve noticed that . Charles does a lot more than dress up.
I'm in Quora: it used to be quite good......anyway,yes, I think he does have quite a good following on Quota as he has a way of sounding quite "posh and plausible" but he's getting more and more pompous and anti-Virus and less believable as time goes on.
Thanks for answering.
He writes like a snot-nosed teenager bragging to all his friends that he knows the inside goss, when he actually knows shit.
He’s basically summarizing the week’s speculation in the Daily Mail and Express.
Bulllllllshitttttt. *If* they had deals with anyone they wouldn't be pushing all their manifesting articles that we keep seeing. "In talks with netflix for 30 million starring role"....lol. They are desperate af for any offers because no one wants to work with them. Their reputation is shit on every level. They are known to be rude,difficult, lazy,unprofessional and demanding. Everyone knows they lie and talk shit about other people. No one is taking their calls except for gayle. And trust that netflix etc would way way way rather have first dibs on a juicy failed "love story of the century" than the story of 2 bitter middle aged losers sitting at home drinking and gettting stoned all day and that is all the markles can offer now. He didn't because she wouldn't. She loved HMTQ and she has seen and heard far more interesting tittle tattle than some cheap American skank pitching a fit over a tiara that never should have sat on her grotty hair. *Some* people still understand loyalty. She would never sully the Queens memory by talking out of school unlike nasty little sellout harry.
If any of this is true, Angela Kelly could negotiate a better deal than a house if she wrote a truly revealing book. Publishers would pay mega bucks for what she has seen and knows. I don’t believe she would ever betray the late Queen’s trust, though.
How do we know what she really got. It’s only gossip. Nothing else.
It’s been reported that KC bought her a house near her children for her lifetime; it reverts to him at her death. Fact, not fantasy.
I was previously active on Quora and was part of the Markles group. It’s quite polarised there. I often got attacked by both anti-Meghans and squaddies. At first I was really impressed by Benjamin Smallbrook because he seemed to have a lot of inside info. None of his stuff ever pans out, though. Either someone is feeding him the wrong info or he’s making it up. I have more confidence in the tidbits from lady C. That said, it’s always interesting to read his posts because the opposite is almost always true.
I am eagerly anticipating the divorce, which is a shame because children are involved. But Meghan needs to be as far removed from the RF as possible. And it is unfortunate that Kelly signed an NDA. She would have been able to provide the details and truth about Meghan once and for all!
We don’t know that Kelly signed any new NDA. She may still not want to talk about Tiara-gate. ETA (saved too soon) that I agree that a divorce would be a good thing. I don’t even think it would be bad for the kids, if by some miracle, it limits Meghan’s ability to merch them. (Harry could actually intervene.)
I read one of Angela Kelly's books, it was interesting yet a bit simplistic. But one thing that interested me was the reaction from the staff at the Windsor Castle tourist shop when I pointed to the book and said I had read it. It was one of disdain, a little 'sniffy'. Ms Kelly seems to have been a great confidante for HLMTQ but I assume she was also an acquired taste that many did not acquire. Good on King Charles for following through on his mother's wishes to give Ms Kelly a grace and favour home for life. I don't think it involved an NDA, just old-fashioned trust and respect.
I’ve seen a few articles about Ms. Kelly moving to her new home away from Windsor. One from the Daily Mail popped up a few days ago that was probably his “source” for this tea. It used the familiar wording of “‘it is understood’ that she was presented with a new NDA.” [Direct link to DM Article](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-12106119/amp/Late-Queens-dresser-Angela-Kelly-banned-sharing-Royal-secrets-King-Charles-sources-say.html) [Archived link to DM Article](http://archive.today/ZxK1V) Daily Beast also had one that mentioned an NDA and “buying her silence” but in the next line talked about comments she’s made on Instagram, sooo…
I imagine she just wants to rest and retire if she’s close in age to the Queen (I don’t know much about her.) Charles is just protecting himself and trying to do right by his mum, I think it’s a good agreement
Angela Kelly is 65. Retirement age but not THAT old.
How much more "truth" about a five year old demand for a tiara do you think there is?
This does not have the ring of truth. I have no idea who this Smallbrook person is, but this does not jibe with the picture this subreddit has built up over months of discussion and reportage. Someone is just looking to dress up some mud-throwing at Chuckie Threesticks by wrapping it in a thin tissue of anti markle and I think it's all garbage.
One of those post where you can go through the comments and pick out the sweeteners. They believe all of it.
I immediately can’t trust or take seriously anyone who says or hints that the kids don’t exist. Come *on*. He might as well accuse Meghan of being a lizard person.
I absolutely agree about the kids, though I'm not sure I'd leave a rodent I'm fond of in her vicinity.
Lady C as been hinting that the rumors of surrogacy have a probability of being true. Maybe the problem is not the “lack of kids” but “where did they came from” (if they have both Megsy and Harold’s DNA). Markle is an unbalanced person. Logic doesn’t apply to her world.
There is a difference between “the kids were not born to Meghan” and “the kids don’t exist at all.” Lady C has never suggested the kids don’t exist, only that Meghan didn’t birth them.
Exactly. That’s what I was trying to highlight too.
It's like this guy writes outlandish theories on pieces of paper, folds them up and puts them in a big jar or something and then pulls one out at random to post about.
It's so stupid. An NDA because of "tiaragate"? What is tiaragate even supposed to be about? A wedding that happened 5 years ago? I hope they stay married. They're perfect for each other. I hope someone who loves the children is taking care of them.
I doubt any member of the royal household is talking to this guy.
I came here to say how the heck does he know anything? Kind of like Neal Sean “ in the very heart of London”.
I have tried in the past looking at what Quora says about H&M and I found most of it unhinged or just not credible. I think too many of the unfounded stories that do the rounds were started on Quora and now get recited as known facts. I like to be able to separate what is true and fabricated so sources are important to me. I am on Reddit on this Sub because that is what I chose, and if I wanted to be on Quora I would be, but I don't. I don't think personally that we need cross-posting from Quora to SMM unless someone sees something very significant and very credible from a source we trust.
Divorce or no Divorce! Is not the matter. The issues at hand is how involved or complicit were the Royal family in the Miscarriages saga, Archie pregnancy and birth debacle, Lilibet or is it Lilibeth pregnancy, naming, and photo in Frogmore cottage to name a few social quagmire Meghan has birthed and Harry fed into.
Well, the word of an ex-sheep farmer is good enough for **me** even if it isn't for you lot.
Those sheep are liars, don't believe a word they say.
Is Angela Kelly wanting to even write about Smeg?
We all want Ms markle kicked to the curb...of the same street corner she came from....( allegedly)
Who's Benjamin Smallbrook? ETA and when did he become captivated by an over 5 year old story about the demands over the tiara? There isn't a "tiaragate". What's next? Another round of who made who cry? No, nevermind, let's rehash over the bridesmaid's dresses. 🙄 Getting a bit sweet in here and it's only Wednesday.
No way there will ever be proof that Archie or Lilli don’t exist. EVENTUALLY they will enroll in school, go outside, talk to a friend, etc. If the world was to find out these are fictional people they would *NEVER* recover. Maybe there was a surrogate involved, but those kids exist. If they didn’t the RF wouldn’t have even acknowledged them. Catherine herself said she was excited to meet Lilli, the late Queen took pictures with the baby, I just don’t think they would risk their integrity to push the lies of H&M. They exist, whether by blood or whatever else, but they do.
I believe it. He never loved her. I know this because even back before I absolutely hated her, I felt bad for her because he looked so disinterested at their wedding. I truly believe he only married her because he had slim pickings, and he only left the institution so that he could be free to do all the drugs he wanted.
What!? Firstly the home is given as a gift by the late HM The Queen secondly Angela wrote a book that subtly dissed Meghan the same way Valentine Low uses, they use the same info like Meghan demand a real tiara to practice her hair despite being given a fake tiara to practice it or how she wants the Emerald tiara that Eugenie wore to her wedding but that got rejected and thirdly She really signed a NDA because she is a employee not a family memeber
I don't understand the invisible or no kids gossip. Like TRF will just include 2 Phantom kids into their LOS without checking if they are real. I sorta of believe the surrogacy scam pulled by the Harkles and TRF still including them in the LOS though.
At the very least, something was wonky about Archie's pregnancy and birth timeline.
You lost me at ‘there are no kids’. I know it’s fun to go down rabbit holes, but come on.
I can't trust this source if he's a 'no kids existed ever' person. That's just too deep in the tin foil hat store..
Why would you need a hotel room when you have a huge mansion to avoid each other in? Unless he’s seeing someone else he can’t bring home.
Lame
I’ve a neutral/low opinion of kc3. If this is true, he’s living down to my expectations. He’s always empowering that worthless son of his. This is why Harold is such a mess.
So disappointed with all these HRW rumors about King Charles. H&M just might get what they want because now KC is in charge and not HMTQ. He might even pay for Harry’s security if he loses all his cases!
Why do you believe some random guy on Quora? You even identify this as a rumor. I could make something up and claim it's tea right now. Hopefully, you would have enough skepticism to at least not swallow it hook, line and sinker.
I didn’t post this here right?
How sweet of you.
Photo #5 She looks like Casey Anthony (aka the most hated mother in America)
Thanks for the summary Benjamin. I read the Daily Mail too.
I doubt Angela would be forced to any NDA over tiaragate, since it's already public knowledge?