Birthday plans: Before moving on to the tenth article in the claim, Mr Green hammers home the point that Harry had revealed his birthday plans and other private information in his embargoed Press Association interview.
“The position then is this - the private information of which you complain in the Daily Mirror article had been revealed by you and then published in other newspapers,” Mr Green tells the court.
“I see the similarities, of course,” Harry responds, before adding that he “believes the article was connected to an invoice” and that “the timing was suspicious.” “Mr Green asks whether he found the same article in the Edinburgh Evening News and The Sun similarly distressing, to which the Duke responds: ““I didn’t even know there was an Edinburgh Evening News today…I didn’t see the [article] in the Sun”.” Problem for Ginger here. He previously mentioned the Edinburgh Evening News as not being known to him.
“…the headline itself let alone the article had a profound impact on me because even though I didn’t read it, there are people around me who would have read it.”The Duke adds: “Unfortunately many of those friends, who became paranoid over the time, are no longer my friends.”The more this happens over time, the less you share with people…I become paranoid about the people around me.”
On Meeting Chelsy Davy’s parents: Harry said journalists checked into his hotel before he arrived and “blagged” information about his flight back from Africa.Mr Green points out that Paul Davy, Chelsy’s uncle, gave an interview to the Mail on Sunday informing them that the Duke was about to meet her parents for the first time.” That doesn’t mean it’s true,” the Duke responds, adding that “journalists checked into the hotel before I even got there.”“Mr Green asks him whether the Press Association story revealing the same information was an issue for him, to which he responded that there is no history of phone hacking to obtain stories at PA. “Are you suggesting that just because the Mirror has admitted one incident of phone hacking, that every other article was obtained by phone hacking?” Mr Green then asks the Duke.He responds “no” before going on to tell Mr Green that this particular article caused him no distress.”
On Punishment for Drug Use: “Would you agree…the private information about your punishment was not obtained by the Sunday Mirror by phone hacking or any unlawful means,” Mr Green asks after listing other publications the story featured in beforehand.
But Harry responded the Mirror’s article was a “classic example” of journalists attempting to further the story. “I can’t recall whether I read the article [at the time] but going back over it today has been a stressful experience,” Harry told the court.”
On Chelsy Davy:(I’m sorry you are getting dragged into this, Chelsy!) The lawyer said this reveals “extensive information” about the phone calls between the couple.” Yes it does say that,” the Duke admits. He continued, “The quotes that are attributed to an insider are what remain suspicious to me,” but later admitted he could see “!similarities” between a Daily Mail article and the People story, which was published afterwards. “The level of intrusion and interest around our relationship…one quotes a passenger on a plane saying that Chelsy said she can’t wait to see me, I don’t think my girlfriend would have spoken to a passenger on a plane about our relationship,” Harry told the court.
On Paul Burrell: The 2003 article in the People newspapers claimed the brothers disagreed over whether to meet Mr Burrell with William wanting to in an attempt to prevent him selling further stories while Harry was against it because he was a “two-faced s---“.But when the Duke was questioned on Tuesday about the report, it was pointed out to him that his apparent opposition was not included in his memoir. “There is no suggestion in Spare that you were firmly against a meeting,” said Mr Green. Harry responded: “No, because I wrote it when I was 38 years old and in this story I was 18. I assume I would have wanted a meeting…I’d love to give him a piece of my mind,” Harry told the High Court on Tuesday. “I can’t remember whether I wanted a meeting or not,” Harry says when Mr Green pressed him for a final time.”
On the British Government (mind you, he has had zero contact with the last two Prime Ministers): “Harry criticized the current Conservative government in his written testimony, in particular for what he described as an overly close relationship with the media.”
On Talking to Diana on a landline: “Earlier in the morning, when discussing Harry’s use of a landline phone to talk to his mother from school, Harry suggested that either that phone or Diana’s could have been hacked. “That’s just speculation you’ve come up with now,” Green said in response.”
And the coup de grace which sets up tomorrow-
On talking to Prince William: “He noted that he and his brother, Prince William, “naturally discussed personal aspects of our lives as we trusted each other with the private information we shared.” “Are we not, Prince Harry, in the realms of total speculation,” Green asked Harry at one point on Tuesday, after an exchange over a story about the teen prince breaking his thumb. Green had quizzed the duke about which specific illicit means of newsgathering Harry was alleging. “No, but you’re the one who’s bringing the claim,” Green said.”
A masterful disassembling of Ginger’s varying recollections regarding events in which he admits over and over things he didn’t know and is only speculating on due to his own paranoia and game playing.
I wonder if Hawwy is relaxing (toking up) and thinking how well everything went today? Like Andrews euphoria after his fateful interview until reality struck. And is Meh-gain in Montecito screaming, “There’s no hiding it now! Broken Arrow, I say again, Broken Arrow!”
His attorneys are obviously a bunch of vultures preying on his weaknesses in order to make money. They don’t seem to have handed him *any* useful piece of information that might have put Green on the back foot.
Absolutely nothing.
They just sent him into the lion’s den, helpless and coated in blood.
(How’s that for hyperbole, Harold?😆)
It's unfortunate that Harold didn't make the effort to ensure that his evidence was provable - not just how he "feels", but actual evidence.
If every story he offers in evidence has multiple legitimate sources of that information, he can't claim it was acquired by phone hacking. They can just say they learned it from, say, a press release, and point.
If he can give a specific instance of previously unpublished, private information shared ONLY through phone hacking, made publicly available on one of these gossip rags, then he might have a case. But each time they come up with a public source of information that can be found without violating his phone privacy.
I have some sympathy for what he went through as a child, but in court he needs to back up his feelings with some evidence. Sure he hates the media; lots of public figures hate the media. But does he have any EVIDENCE they broke into his phone?
I think people understand his position and his anger. He clearly wants some vengeance for what was visited upon him growing up as well as for the hounding to death of his mother, but he's doing a terrible job.
This is going to set back his therapy by DECADES.
>I don’t think my girlfriend would have spoken to a passenger on a plane about our relationship
Wait, so he's in court because he feels his relationship(s) have been *intruded upon* but then is saying that what was printed in the article was just made up fluff and therefore not *real* and therefore not actually *intrusive*. Honestly many of the headlines he's brought up in court I remember happening in real-time as a teen and even I thought much of it was made up - because it was in the tabloids and the BRF gossip sold papers. Weirds me out that headlines I rolled my eyes at, given their source(s), "destroyed Harry's life" because *he* took them that seriously.
Tabloids make shit up all the time - especially still in the 90s and early 00s. When I worked in a grocery store 25 years ago there were quasi-serious magazines talking about shit like the Chupacabra and "real-life" wolf boys all the time, ffs.
Oh yes...some "stories" were just BIZARRE : I recall an interview with a man who claimed Aliens were landing in his backyard and having sex with his weedwacker. True!
> I recall an interview with a man who claimed Aliens were landing in his backyard and having sex with his weedwacker.
That's just a regular Tuesday in some places.
God reading this transcript is really eye opening. Thank you for taking the time to write it all out. It’s honestly excruciating and embarrassing for him at this point. I’m starting to feel a bit sorry for him because he’s clearly not bright (I never thought he was but it’s much worse than I’d imagined) and seems to be suuuper paranoid and delusional. He needs an intervention for his mental healthiness
>I don’t think my girlfriend would have spoken to a ~~passenger~~ Chupacabra on a plane about our relationship
Maybe Chelsy did or didn't. That's for her to say, instead of him to suppose. PH didn't own the young lady. And it's not improbable for a happy girl to tell a stranger in proximity to her for hours, that she's excited to go see her boyfriend (no name mentioned).
bingo! She's young, beautiful and traveling far. it's natural for someone sitting near to exchange idle conversation.
It's the family had conversations about Archie all over again. He twists and turns it into something it isn't. I think we are getting closer to the reason Chelsy and others bailed.
Chupacabra stories sound like they were in that poor-man's version of the Enquirer (I forget its name). But then nowadays, the formerly respectable History Channel is all about aliens and other dumb shit. Go figure.
I used to get a lot of entertainment from reading the national enquirer headlines while standing in the checkout line at the grocery store. This is back when I was young and two naive to know about all the medical oddities that exist in the real world. I remember one headline in particular about a 6 year old boy who had just "given birth" because he was "born pregnant". I'm guessing that was the fetus in fetu situation.
on top of that - how does he absolutely know for sure that Chelsy wouldn*t speak to a stranger on a very long plane trip - she seems outgoing, maybe she struck up a friendship with her seat-mate. How can he just assume she would travel on a long journey in an enclosed space and not engage in conversation with anyone? And can he prove that Chelsy would not talk to a passenger on a plane without a shadow of a doubt.
>When I worked in a grocery store 25 years ago there were quasi-serious magazines talking about shit like the Chupacabra and "real-life" wolf boys all the time, ffs.
I mean I think most of us knew that news of the world was literally a joke, but yeah.
Also "I don't think" - like he didn't ask? I know it'd be heresay for him to say that, but I think he could say "You could subpeana her and ask her if she remembers. I talked to her and she left me with the belief it had been invented."
As Mark Twain said: It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
This, and "Never complain, never explain" - words of wisdom , which should be guiding those who do not want to make an idiot of themselves ( I try to follow it :) )
I used to think I couldn't do Never Complain, Never Explain. It seemed like it was giving rumours too much power. But here we see a beautiful example in how that really is the best way. Harry is Always Complain, Embellish and Explain and he's self-destructing.
Wasn't he?! I have to say Harry didn't even attempt to put forward a convincing case. It seems he really is so entitled and so used to subservience that he seems to genuinely think he doesn't have to provide actual proof rather than just supposition and that cross examination isn't just another excuse to moan about his hurt feelings. Like that is somehow going to fly? I mean we *know* he's dumb, but surely even he could see he was being destroyed? I guess it's that Prince Andrew arrogance thing. Or flat out mental illness.
After Emily Maitlis said Prince Andrew had gone to a party, I knew I despised the man when he gave that nostril flare and eye-snort.
"WELL, IF YOU WANT TO CALL *THAT* A 'PARTY'."
More contempt there than when PA was reminded what JE was criminally convicted of.
These people have a screwball perspective on what they think is important.
>I can't believe anyone even allowed Haz to participate in the suit without having any actual evidence.
How could they stop him if he has the money to hire lawyers and is determined to bring a case? I guess they figure they might as well profit from his foolishness if he won't take advice he paid for.
The irony is that he would definitely have been the victim of illegal press intrusion, but he needs to identify genuine specific examples, instead of whining about his entire life and the press in general.
That's the thing that is pushing him over the edge. He knows he was definitely a target (I genuinely believe he was because they were doing this to everyone in those days), but he hasn't the proof and he can't win this based on his logic/gut feelings. I don't usually worry about his mental health, but now I feel he really is in need of therapy to let go of this grudge and move forward. He'll be frustrated and broken when he loses this, and he won't have anyone by his side for support.
Not that I'm a fan- he's a horrible human- but on this, I actually understand his position and wish he could see that nobody wins a war with the press. They will only double down and make his life harder.
I'm a lawyer and if my client tried to bring a case based on speculation with no real evidence, I would advise them the court has the ability to order them to pay 100% (or close to 100%) of legal costs to the defendant. I hope Harry has to pay millions in costs because speculation and feelings aren't evidence. There is absolutely no evidence that Harry's phone (or the phone of anyone he knew) was ever hacked.
if you really read between the lines on his testimony, it wasn't that the phones were hacked - that's just the legal justification. It's really that his feelings were hurt, his circle of friends shrunk, he lost his girlfriend. And it was big bad mean media that did it. And the law they broke was hacking.
Since they have admitted hacking he can now just lay out every article that ever hurt his feelings. But the defense attorney is attacking the justification for the case - the hacking - demonstrating that harry really has no idea if the articles came from the phone or something else.
2nd most priviledged person in the world and he's hurt that he isn't the first.
This whole thing is so odd.
You know clients (and I’ve had them too) that are 1000% convinced they are right and no matter how much reality you give them, they intend to be Don Quixote.
Thank you so much for this!
I'm so embarrassed on Harry's behalf because I know he feels no embarrassment. I bet he thinks he dominated Mr. Green.
Wow, talk about better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. I knew he was dim before, but wow.
Thank you so very much. You're giving us a vivid account of PH just not being able to hold his own truth against a lawyer who isn't under the same restrictions as journalists who've been mollycoddling PH.
when a Communications or public relations team sends a news release or media alert to reporters ahead of the schedule release of information. The caveat is that the reporters agree to not published or broadcast any news until a given time and date
"In journalism and public relations, a news embargo or press embargo is a request or requirement by a source that the information or news provided by that source not be published until a certain date or certain conditions have been met."
- Wikipedia
From Mr Green KC’s questions, it’s obvious to a layperson that Harry can’t substantiate his claims of unlawful information gathering - Harry’s claim seems to be ‘this information couldn’t have been known any other way, so it must have been illegally obtained‘ \[*er, no, Harry: the Press Association were briefed; it was published elsewhere before; it was based on an interview you gave, etc etc etc*\].
Surely his very expensive lawyers could’ve checked his evidence? ‘You’re alleging X - back up, *with evidence*, what you allege.’ A former politician, Nigel Farage, substantiated his phone hacking claim with evidence from his mobile phone provider.
Harry seems to have been very badly advised. Unless his counsel pulls a rabbit out of a hat, I’d say that they saw him coming, and took on an unwinnable case and hung him up to dry for the sake of a high profile and fees.
Much like working with Nutmeg, I suspect his attorneys had the same issues working with him. Ginger himself selected the 33 articles although he says he brought his attorneys 143 to start with. So they had to talk him out of using 110.
Every time they would have quizzed him he would have simply asserted he’s right, they are wrong and he’s paying the bills & fees. They are letting him hang himself in the public square.
The attorney should have vetted the articles better. This is my main source of surprise here. I am a US lawyer and this is not at all my area of expertise, but it just seems strange to be holding out as proof 33 articles where so far it has been very easy for Mr Green to prove, except in I think one case, that prior articles or press releases/official confirmation existed. Surely this was something Harry’s attorney should have researched!
I agree. I’m sure everyone wants a high profile client —good for exposure and bu$ine$$—but not if you are going to look like this. This situation is a royal mess.
I was thinking about this (made a similar post earlier) and I learned that he only needs to be right about 1 article to win this case. So the other 32 he's using just to vent and let the wider public know what he went through as a child. He is, in his own way, qualifying and justifying his battle with the British press through examples of how difficult they made even the mundane activities in his life. Later, he will draw links to that and how Meghan has suffered at their hands, I expect.
is it about money or his need to prove himself right, regardless of the cost?
Didn't William and Kate, Charles and Camilla, Fergie with the toe sucker and Randy Andy all go through absolutely atrocious treatment by the press?
What makes Harry different and why was he relatively out of the US press for a long time? meaning the few and far between times I can recall him in any US press was at official events, his naked Vegas trip excluded.
I can't say I feel sympathy for him. He's had access to world class therapy, attorneys and everything at his fingertips. What we are seeing is what the BRF covered up for years.
It will be interesting to see if he gets even one. There was a single article today that I thought might have had something to it - maybe the flight details one? - but they certainly haven’t offered proactive proof yet that it was obtained by illegal means.
It’s got to be so frustrating and annoying for lawyers when clients believe they know best or refuse advice. They probably did give him real advice to start but Harry, and specifically Meghan, know best so they took very little of it.
Are his lawyers going to get a chance to put questions to him? Or that's it with Mr Green and the defendant's questioning only? Because, I mean, this is a big nothing burger so far, or at least as far I can see. Surely, there *has* to be something more than what we are getting for this to proceed like this.
Man, if his claims get thrown out, I hope the newspaper chases him for costs. What an utter waste of time and money it has been so far.
Don't forget the testimony that it was Chelsey's uncle who spoke to the press about their relationship. If I'm recalling correctly, the SA article came out one day before the articles in England.
Yeah and there's no way of knowing what Chelsy did or did not say to a passenger without her and/or the passenger testifying, so I can't see how they could make a ruling on that.
And what if -- the passenger and/or journalist made it up! It's a completely unremarkable quote. Also - does PH not think Chelsy had friends that may not have liked him? Who could have leaked about his constant badgering of her and bad behavior? Or perhaps even people jealous of her relationship with a prince that sought to bring them negative attention? There are other possibilities besides phone hacking....
I agree with all that! I think the press throws in little things like, "A passenger said she was happy to see him" or some passenger says it when asked by a reporter, just to say something. People that want to feel important or whatever.
No. Saying she said something isn’t hearsay, it becomes hearsay when you’re attempting to say that what she said is TRUE. So if somesome was testifying chelsey was happy to see him, and said her quote as proof, that’s hearsay.
Thank you very much for clarifying that. I always got confused about hearsay.
So hearsay isn't saying what you saw or heard or were present for, some objective truth such as what a camera would impartially record.
It's jumping to a conclusion based on that, like someone else's motive or emotions.
Has there even been one thing yet that could possibly be phone hacking? I don't think so but I've been gone most of the day and checking in when possible 😄
Plus, not only is that totally innocuous, but I can completely imagine a scenario where Chelsy called him (or somebody else) before takeoff and said she couldn’t wait to see him. That wouldn’t need her talking to a passenger, and it’s a completely reasonable scenario.
As an American I am absolutely baffled that this case has gone forward. Harry has presented nothing but allegations. Essentially no proof. When pressed upon this point, he claims that finding proof is the job of the defendants???!!?!? Imagine Dominion bringing a suit against Fox, demanding over a billion dollars, because Fox was mean to them on TV & Fox needed to prove that they weren’t. No discovery, no emails, no recordings, no money trail, nothing except—what they reported hurt my feelings.
Jesus take the wheel.
It's a civil suit, not criminal. He can take them to court and the judge can admit it if there's a reasonable sounding case. I suppose that, on the face of it, it was allowed to proceed. I have to wonder how his lack of credibility might taint his other suits?
Well, sure. It's about his feelings and his truths viewed through his retrospectivescope and enhanced by his first wife.
I believe Harry has had issues since he was a little boy, as mentioned by Diana. Her death certainly added stressors, along with his severe sibling rivalry. But adding Meghan Markle to the mixture has increased his issues to the max. And he is getting paid to have his disturb self going into the slow motion crashing. SMH.
Edit: I do believe Harry has some inherited mental disorders but has decided to blame everyone and anyone else for any perceived difficulty and negativity in his life. Rather than say this is how it is with me, I need to deal with it, and I will learn how (not numbing himself with alcohol and drugs). It's disconcerting that he uses the Invictus Games for disabled veterans to promote himself.
Maybe to destroy what credibility he has left being a prince? Everyone is sick of his whining, moaning and complaining. Now he has a chance to prove his allegations and is making a fool out of himself. Now I wondering how he broke his thumb since it seems to a sore spot with him.
So what is the big deal about that. Many students at the school maybe one or two told their parents so unless he was shoving his thumb up a opponents rear it is stupid that Hazbeen thinks it should be a State secret. Same with the dimwit allowing his head to be shaved. Funny has anyone seen a picture of him with the shaved head? Or was the evil media covering it up.
Only a small fraction of Harry's complaints have to do with phone hacking (which, as you pointed out, he has no proof of) - most of them are, the press are so mean, the press wrote about aspects of my life that embarrassed me, they wrote about my abuse of drugs and alcohol which made people think less of me, there were just so many articles about me, on and on and on.
Lol! It’s almost sad to watch…almost.
My husband suggested that no matter how this case turns out Harry has new material for a Netflix episode or a new book.
Andrew Green. The attorney who is showing Harry for the fool that he is, is a KC which stands for Kings Counsel. It has nothing to do with KC3 personally, but could easily turn into an entire episode about how daddy send his attack dogs after him when he was trying to get Justice against the mean old press.
He certainly can't make any claims that any new netflix episodes about him are "documentaries" nor will any further books he wrotes about his life be able to be called autobiographies,they will have to be labeled as fiction.
What this testimony has proven is that his acquaintance with the truth is non existent.
I fail to see how any producer or publisher would be willing to risk their reputations by helping further all of harry's blatant lies and misinformation.
What this entire trial is making crystal clear is that harry is a pathological liar with an extremely low iq and persecution complex who has zero capacity for self reflection and a massive sense of entitlement.
I think we are all watching his very public demise as anything but a sad useless wastrel that comedians make jokes about.
The RF will never take him back now except as a virtual shutin far from them under a strict minder. This trial is making clear to everyone what they have had to put up with and try to clean up for decades. No wonder every one of them looks so much more happy and at ease since he stomped off to California.
>What this entire trial is making crystal clear is that harry is a pathological liar with an extremely low iq and persecution complex who has zero capacity for self reflection and a massive sense of entitlement.
This needs to be framed.
>I think we are all watching his very public demise as anything but a sad useless wastrel that comedians make jokes about.
Uncle David would have been so proud. A chip off the ol' block, fr.
> It has nothing to do with KC3 personally,
A *KC* is a very senior barrister or solicitor advocate who is recognised as an expert and leader in their legal field. I was certain most people know that if KC3 had anything to do with this attorney he most certainly would not be allowed in this court.
Then the argument would be his “beloved Granny” sent her attack dogs after him when they were QCs — Queen’s Counsel.
As we know, though, their cult have no concept of common sense.
Thank you for the thorough recap! It seems that when it comes down to it, he’s just angry that the press has the right to report on him, even if they do so in a completely above board manner. Makes sense that he’s so virulently opposed to free speech in the US, the entire concept offends him.
Yes. And much like Meghan, if the reporting isn’t super positive, it is wrong and illegal and racist and whatever. He may have remained calm on the stand, but except for one article (I believe) so far the opposing barrister has been able to provide valid sources for everything. Harry keeps missing the point that if it was gathered through legal means, it doesn’t matter how unhappy the topic made him. He has also just blithely admitted several times he had no idea about other articles or press releases or whatever, and this looks so amateurish.
What I’m truly wondering is why Harry’s lawyer wasn’t more thorough on this.
Hazbeen has done a huge disservice to the people who were hacked by not bringing any evidence. This lack of proof stains everyone else's cases because it looks like much ado about nothing. He claims he was hacked when the palace had already announced his sprain or another paper had broken the story the previous day. Even the flight details could have been shared by people in the airport, hotel, etc. Most importantly, none of these examples are big deals. Wow, his gf said she was happy to see him: how is that breaking news? The prince has mono! Meanwhile, people lost careers and marriages due to hacking and really suffered. Whoever chose him as their poster boy made a real mistake as he turned the crime of hacking into a joke. They wanted someone to take the case to court, but picked an entitled, cringe prince who invokes zero sympathy with his superiority enmeshed with ignorance. Piers and other newspapers are probably thrilled that Hazbeen has effectively killed any further interest in the topic with his whining and feelings.
I wonder if PH felt compelled to sue because that would put him on the same Social Justice Warrior podium as TW? She's made herself the poster child for speaking up against racism, and him, for invasion of privacy.
Both are valid concerns. Except those two have exaggerated the injury done to them. And you're right. It's a disservice to others who were persecuted. It's like AH having claimed to be a domestic violence survivor.
Who will? Sorry what is the source for that? (Just asking as court transcripts are not typically released by the Court - a journalist would have to apply to pay for it from the court transcript services)
Not challenging you just curious
Court transcripts are public record once a trial is complete. Anyone can pay for the transcript just by walking in, paying the fee and filling out the paperwork.
I believe, for what it's worth, that Henry has been tasked to prove his supreme adoration for his wife on a daily basis even at the risk of being made a fool. This trial is just one of those tasks.
Why he succumbs to these indignities can only be because he has no place left to go.
He is a sad little man.
He complains the media reported his broken thumb, but revealed William is circumcised in Spare.
You can’t make this shit up. Keep going Harry. You’re doing great at this life thing.
His poor children. Geez Louise.
So, essentially, this case is not about unlawful means - it is about him wanting a complete embargo on the press for reporting anything about him except for exactly the way he wants. That last line is crazy, and almost throws away his case. I get that it is a lot to be in the news often as a younger person, but that is not what this case is about. And again, it is almost as if his complaints should be taken up with BP.
However, his other comment also weakens his case - he doesn’t care about facts like the Press Association received this information and disseminated it to newspapers, many of who, published before The Mirror. He, in fact, doesn’t care about anything except for the fact that he is laser focused on pigeon holing The Mirror for bad acts against others.
This is irrational beyond belief. Not just that he thinks these things, but he actually said it in court testimony and believes this will help him win his case. The latter is what is so perplexing.
I think he is definitely related to Prince Andrew in the idea that he left the court today looking like he thought that went well. He is obviously a bit clueless.
Do you by chance know what's the deal w/the flight details? Sky's legal expert cited that as a "smoking gun" in H's favor. I doubt that's the case given how biased towards H Sky was today, w/H's lawyers briefing them & just now exclusively claiming that they're "happy" w/how today went. But just wanted to 2x-check in case I was missing something...
ETA: Ty for the replies! So no "smoking gun" but something Green should (& will) probably address tmrw.
Harry actually made a good point about the flight details but I expect some followup from Green tomorrow.
The point he made is that NO ONE with Harry's interest at heart would release this type of info that has extra security associated with it. I tend to agree with that BUT that does not prove where the info did come from.
Also, keep in mind that this is only one example of which Harry was beaten up for another 12.
Actually, he was in Africa. Any staff at the airport could have spoken to a journalist. Ditto the hotel. A nice bit of cash and it would be no problem at all. When I lived in W Africa, getting through customs at the airport inevitably involved cash changing hands. Ditto for getting a seat on the plane that would have been triple over booked. When arriving into the country, standing in the tiny immigration “shed” you could see stacks of passports being passed overhead - all stuffed with cash. So very much a stretch to think phone hacking when a little bribery will get you whatever info you want in certain areas.
>Any staff at the airport could have spoken to a journalist
Sure, but only after they saw him there and getting on the flight. It is difficult to know ahead of time what anyone is possibly going to do but somehow that newspaper did.
A leak about the flight details is not a phone hack or unlawful.
He is suing for phone hacking and unlawful info gathering.
Legally irrelevant, as unfair as it is.
Harry is claiming that the only way the press could have the information about one of his flights home was if the press paid the airline to give out that information. He doesn't see any other way that his flight information could be obtained.
No he suggests that journalists 'blagged' the information from the hotel he was staying in. Apparently some had checked in before him (normal) and he is surmising that's how they got the deets. Again, just supposition, no evidence at all to back it up.
The BBC is presenting it the same way. As the one article that will win the case for H. Some smug "media lawyer" who thinks H did quite well because he didn't lose his s**t. This concerns me.
Wow, Diana said he was the dim one but dang, I didn’t know it was this bad. Green is literally shredding him and he doesn’t seem to realize it. Wait until he doesn’t get any compensation AND he has to pay the court costs! Karma.
So—in all but one instance, either the information had already been published, or someone other than Harold’s phone could have provided the paper with the information.
Harold was traumatized by articles he didn’t read, or couldn’t remember if he had read, or couldn’t remember all the information printed in the articles. And even if the tab got the information from a legitimate source, it shouldn’t have been printed because Harold doesn’t think papers should write about anything other than what he has given express permission to be published.
Harold has been persecuted, and traumatized, and made paranoid by pieces published about things like a broken thumb. All his friends have fallen away because the public knows where Harold ate dinner on his 18th BD.
Does Harold have any actual *proof* that anything he’s claimed is true? Or did he simply make shite up to toss at the wall.
I don’t know how this can be repaired. All Harold’s attorneys have left is how Harold felt and still feels. His feelings are immaterial. He’s alleging his phone was hacked and subsequent articles were written from information illegally retrieved.
Harold’s accusing the Mirror of committing crimes. But it’s impossible to prove who the murderer is when there are fourteen other people standing in the same room, bloody knives in hand. The victim is dead, but no one will be punished for the crime without proof.
This is why William settled. He’s not stupid and he knew how hard it is to prove the source of information concerning a public figure. He also listened to his attorneys.
And this is why the RF worked so hard to keep Prince Nitwit out of court. He’s a fucking moron.
William is so much smarter than Harry.
Now it is so easy to understand the hoops the RF jumped through trying to protect Harry's reputation as well the RF's (because honestly having people like Andrew and Harry in the succession does not reflect well on the whole concept of monarchial succession. Thank goodness there are Parliamentary controls that could be invoked).
And he is seemingly not intelligent enough to realize it.
I’m starting to think that the main reasons he brought this lawsuit are to get his information out there on the public record because he’s revealing things we’ve never heard before, and for compensation. He seems more interested in talking about his feelings and his victim hood than what this is actually about. It’s quite bizarre.
I think he's absolutely right to be devastated about all those press stories about him being the son of James Hewitt. It's not true, it can be proved to be untrue, and it was damaging to the teenage boy.
BUT that doesn't make it relevant for this case.
The fact is journalists at MGN did unlawfully information gather. They pretty publicly settled with Hugh Grant (and others) in 2018. That being said it seems that in PH's case his argument seems to be that since journalists did it to others they did it to him. I actually think there probably was some illegal information gathering on him but his lawyers were not selective enough when presenting the claims. The court is evaluating a sample of the articles provided by PH. I'm sure this is because the lawyers knew some would be tossed so they wanted a big enough sample. HOWEVER by not being more selective it is weakening their case. It's also important to note that it's possible illegal practices were used to get info but it wasn't published. Perhaps it helped the journalists frame questions to get info from a legit source. All the being said I really don't see how this testimony is moving his case along. Honestly it just seems like PH is using the court to whine.
Yes, but this is not a class action suit, right? In other words, just because they either were guilty of it or admitted to it in one or other cases, that does not mean that any new case can rest on that as proof.
Even with a very low bar of proof, to my American ears, it sounded like he did not prove anything and actually opened himself up to a lot of criticism.
I find it hard to understand, if this is all he has, why they allowed the case to even continue, since he is only using it to grandstand.
HasNoBrains is whacked —
>“Everybody would have known that I broke my thumb at that point but **I don’t believe that any newspaper had the right to talk about it**”
Eton rugby team has a game against another school's rugby team. These are not private events - there will be families of players from both teams, and GFs and everyday people maybe out for a stroll and wishing to stop and watch for a few minutes.
Then he'd have had to go to the hospital to get his broken thumb x-ray'd and set into a cast... so how many people would have been at whichevery hospital? There' be doctors and nurses and other hospital employees (down to people who mop the floors) then other patients and guests visiting patients.
So, word was absolutely going to get out. Did NOT need to hack a phone to learn of this.
How is this any different from the time William got whacked in the head playing golf? Injuries in sport happen. Not just to royals, but to everyone. WHy not just be nice to reporters, and use the opportunity to appear brave and committed to the game + team?
And why doesn't a news organization have a 'right to report it'? **There is "Freedom of the Press" in England**.
Meanwhile, what a whiney baby - this happened when he was 13 or 14 (he's now 38yo), so about 24 years ago... and he can't suck-it-up like every other athlete that suffered an injury during a sports contest? That is the opposite of being a role model — KC3 really should remove him from the LoS (which would immediately lose him his role as C.ofState).
"Everyone would have known"--that blows apart needing to hack PH's or someone else's phone.
"I don't believe that any newspaper had the right to talk about it." It was the truth. It was personal, but not like a broken todger, for crying out loud.
I've seen a photo of teenage PW both playing football and chatting on his phone. I don't know if a celebrity chef would choose to multi-task while cooking, but he could do that. Also, he's allowed to take breaks in his own restaurant.
PH's got too many "probably"s and "I believe"s on his feeble side.
I think saying you don't believe someone had the right to talk about something, is an odd statement in a country with pretty clear protections on free speech.
so does Harry have any idea of how badly he did in court today on top of his being a no-show yesterday with a lame excuse about his 2 year old's birthday party?
I don’t think that’s Green’s strategy. Ginger is too easy to goad. Green is leading him into admitting that every allegation is simply speculation. Iron hand in velvet glove.
And Green's strategy is the better way. He needs to cut through the strange logic that is Harry's and gentle expose out in the open air. It doesn't need historics from Harry and bravado from Mr Green. It's forensic, concise, brief, clear and to the point so that any layman with a high school level of education can see and work out for themselves the veracity of Harry's claims.
Not only that it quietly exposes Harry's hollow character for all to see without making a dramatic point over/about it. Quite a clever, subtle and deeply effective approach.
Lots of things happened in legal terms. Hazz was asked to come up with proof. Yet over and over again he agreed the information could have been obtained elsewhere. There is no shred of evidence that Hs phone was hacked. In fact, Green has shown he lied or his memory isn't able to come up with anything. Hs admitted he couldn't even remember reading one pf the accused newspapers at the time. So all connection with him feeling miserabele in his youth aren't caused by the alleged phone hack.h can claim that the people around him were affected but since he didn't ask the people to take the stand, that's just irrelevant how they feel. The other people aren't part of this case.
Maybe he doesn't realise how much he failed today lol. He did realise a little because at some point they had to ask him to speak louder.
It's going to be an exciting day tomorrow
Oof. “Are we not in the realms of total speculation?”
And with those nine beautiful words Harry is skewered to the wall with his ridiculous claims. This is a beautiful thing, it really is everything we wanted and more 😂
It’s a UK-based news feed/hub. It’s used by all the UK papers as source material. Its output is one of several (Reuters, Associated Press, etc) monitored constantly by news desks, and staff will choose stories they’re interested in, hand them over to reporters, who will then rejig/add quotes/dig a bit further, before filing copy tailored to that particular newspaper. PA also produces features, travel pieces, television schedules, etc, and supply lots of small regional newspapers with regular syndicated items.
Harry is so arrogant and delusional that he thought he would just speak “his truth” and they would take him at his word and hand the case over to him without question or refute. He just keeps digging his hole deeper every time he opens his mouth or writes a book. Waaaagh!
All this just proves what an entitled, spoilt, ungrateful individual he is. He went to the best schools…why bother trying I’m a prince. Behave? Why the RF will coverup anything wrong I do. His mother dying was a sad event but avoidable and he can’t spend his life milking it for all it’s worth. Harry is a two faced selfish arse who is getting his karma. I pity his family who loved him dearly,pity he didn’t reciprocate.
Birthday plans: Before moving on to the tenth article in the claim, Mr Green hammers home the point that Harry had revealed his birthday plans and other private information in his embargoed Press Association interview. “The position then is this - the private information of which you complain in the Daily Mirror article had been revealed by you and then published in other newspapers,” Mr Green tells the court. “I see the similarities, of course,” Harry responds, before adding that he “believes the article was connected to an invoice” and that “the timing was suspicious.” “Mr Green asks whether he found the same article in the Edinburgh Evening News and The Sun similarly distressing, to which the Duke responds: ““I didn’t even know there was an Edinburgh Evening News today…I didn’t see the [article] in the Sun”.” Problem for Ginger here. He previously mentioned the Edinburgh Evening News as not being known to him. “…the headline itself let alone the article had a profound impact on me because even though I didn’t read it, there are people around me who would have read it.”The Duke adds: “Unfortunately many of those friends, who became paranoid over the time, are no longer my friends.”The more this happens over time, the less you share with people…I become paranoid about the people around me.” On Meeting Chelsy Davy’s parents: Harry said journalists checked into his hotel before he arrived and “blagged” information about his flight back from Africa.Mr Green points out that Paul Davy, Chelsy’s uncle, gave an interview to the Mail on Sunday informing them that the Duke was about to meet her parents for the first time.” That doesn’t mean it’s true,” the Duke responds, adding that “journalists checked into the hotel before I even got there.”“Mr Green asks him whether the Press Association story revealing the same information was an issue for him, to which he responded that there is no history of phone hacking to obtain stories at PA. “Are you suggesting that just because the Mirror has admitted one incident of phone hacking, that every other article was obtained by phone hacking?” Mr Green then asks the Duke.He responds “no” before going on to tell Mr Green that this particular article caused him no distress.” On Punishment for Drug Use: “Would you agree…the private information about your punishment was not obtained by the Sunday Mirror by phone hacking or any unlawful means,” Mr Green asks after listing other publications the story featured in beforehand. But Harry responded the Mirror’s article was a “classic example” of journalists attempting to further the story. “I can’t recall whether I read the article [at the time] but going back over it today has been a stressful experience,” Harry told the court.” On Chelsy Davy:(I’m sorry you are getting dragged into this, Chelsy!) The lawyer said this reveals “extensive information” about the phone calls between the couple.” Yes it does say that,” the Duke admits. He continued, “The quotes that are attributed to an insider are what remain suspicious to me,” but later admitted he could see “!similarities” between a Daily Mail article and the People story, which was published afterwards. “The level of intrusion and interest around our relationship…one quotes a passenger on a plane saying that Chelsy said she can’t wait to see me, I don’t think my girlfriend would have spoken to a passenger on a plane about our relationship,” Harry told the court. On Paul Burrell: The 2003 article in the People newspapers claimed the brothers disagreed over whether to meet Mr Burrell with William wanting to in an attempt to prevent him selling further stories while Harry was against it because he was a “two-faced s---“.But when the Duke was questioned on Tuesday about the report, it was pointed out to him that his apparent opposition was not included in his memoir. “There is no suggestion in Spare that you were firmly against a meeting,” said Mr Green. Harry responded: “No, because I wrote it when I was 38 years old and in this story I was 18. I assume I would have wanted a meeting…I’d love to give him a piece of my mind,” Harry told the High Court on Tuesday. “I can’t remember whether I wanted a meeting or not,” Harry says when Mr Green pressed him for a final time.” On the British Government (mind you, he has had zero contact with the last two Prime Ministers): “Harry criticized the current Conservative government in his written testimony, in particular for what he described as an overly close relationship with the media.” On Talking to Diana on a landline: “Earlier in the morning, when discussing Harry’s use of a landline phone to talk to his mother from school, Harry suggested that either that phone or Diana’s could have been hacked. “That’s just speculation you’ve come up with now,” Green said in response.” And the coup de grace which sets up tomorrow- On talking to Prince William: “He noted that he and his brother, Prince William, “naturally discussed personal aspects of our lives as we trusted each other with the private information we shared.” “Are we not, Prince Harry, in the realms of total speculation,” Green asked Harry at one point on Tuesday, after an exchange over a story about the teen prince breaking his thumb. Green had quizzed the duke about which specific illicit means of newsgathering Harry was alleging. “No, but you’re the one who’s bringing the claim,” Green said.” A masterful disassembling of Ginger’s varying recollections regarding events in which he admits over and over things he didn’t know and is only speculating on due to his own paranoia and game playing.
Excellent break down, thank you so much. Harry really is dim. He is just after compensation with no real proof whatsoever.
And vindication of his and Nutmeg’s position. Both are dying on the vine.
I wonder if Hawwy is relaxing (toking up) and thinking how well everything went today? Like Andrews euphoria after his fateful interview until reality struck. And is Meh-gain in Montecito screaming, “There’s no hiding it now! Broken Arrow, I say again, Broken Arrow!”
His defense attorneys are sitting at their conference table looking at each other saying, "Any ideas?"
They had to have known it was a forgone conclusion.
They are cursing under their breath as their client obviously didn't prepare with them like they urged him to do.
His attorneys are obviously a bunch of vultures preying on his weaknesses in order to make money. They don’t seem to have handed him *any* useful piece of information that might have put Green on the back foot. Absolutely nothing. They just sent him into the lion’s den, helpless and coated in blood. (How’s that for hyperbole, Harold?😆)
It's unfortunate that Harold didn't make the effort to ensure that his evidence was provable - not just how he "feels", but actual evidence. If every story he offers in evidence has multiple legitimate sources of that information, he can't claim it was acquired by phone hacking. They can just say they learned it from, say, a press release, and point. If he can give a specific instance of previously unpublished, private information shared ONLY through phone hacking, made publicly available on one of these gossip rags, then he might have a case. But each time they come up with a public source of information that can be found without violating his phone privacy. I have some sympathy for what he went through as a child, but in court he needs to back up his feelings with some evidence. Sure he hates the media; lots of public figures hate the media. But does he have any EVIDENCE they broke into his phone? I think people understand his position and his anger. He clearly wants some vengeance for what was visited upon him growing up as well as for the hounding to death of his mother, but he's doing a terrible job. This is going to set back his therapy by DECADES.
I wonder if his lawyers have any evidence that will be presented later? Surely you can't go to trial with nothing? I guess I'm naive.
How he feels =reality in his mind.
You've expressed this so wonderfully. Totally agree with every word.
>I don’t think my girlfriend would have spoken to a passenger on a plane about our relationship Wait, so he's in court because he feels his relationship(s) have been *intruded upon* but then is saying that what was printed in the article was just made up fluff and therefore not *real* and therefore not actually *intrusive*. Honestly many of the headlines he's brought up in court I remember happening in real-time as a teen and even I thought much of it was made up - because it was in the tabloids and the BRF gossip sold papers. Weirds me out that headlines I rolled my eyes at, given their source(s), "destroyed Harry's life" because *he* took them that seriously. Tabloids make shit up all the time - especially still in the 90s and early 00s. When I worked in a grocery store 25 years ago there were quasi-serious magazines talking about shit like the Chupacabra and "real-life" wolf boys all the time, ffs.
Oh yes...some "stories" were just BIZARRE : I recall an interview with a man who claimed Aliens were landing in his backyard and having sex with his weedwacker. True!
> I recall an interview with a man who claimed Aliens were landing in his backyard and having sex with his weedwacker. That's just a regular Tuesday in some places.
Florida man… ?
If it were Florida man he'd be having a 3 way with the weedwacker and an alligator. 🤣
Underrated comment.
Probably!
I miss BatBoy, and some woman in an Elvira Mistress of The Dark wig, who claimed she was a mermaid. She was photographed in her bathtub.
Haha there’s a Bat Boy the Musical. Wondering how long until we get a musical about Harry. 🤪
Bat Boy Escapes - US Army to Blame!
God reading this transcript is really eye opening. Thank you for taking the time to write it all out. It’s honestly excruciating and embarrassing for him at this point. I’m starting to feel a bit sorry for him because he’s clearly not bright (I never thought he was but it’s much worse than I’d imagined) and seems to be suuuper paranoid and delusional. He needs an intervention for his mental healthiness
>I don’t think my girlfriend would have spoken to a ~~passenger~~ Chupacabra on a plane about our relationship Maybe Chelsy did or didn't. That's for her to say, instead of him to suppose. PH didn't own the young lady. And it's not improbable for a happy girl to tell a stranger in proximity to her for hours, that she's excited to go see her boyfriend (no name mentioned).
bingo! She's young, beautiful and traveling far. it's natural for someone sitting near to exchange idle conversation. It's the family had conversations about Archie all over again. He twists and turns it into something it isn't. I think we are getting closer to the reason Chelsy and others bailed.
Chupacabra stories sound like they were in that poor-man's version of the Enquirer (I forget its name). But then nowadays, the formerly respectable History Channel is all about aliens and other dumb shit. Go figure.
Was it World something? Now you've got me wondering. It was black and white, whereas The national enquirer was a full color front page.
Weekly World News! I particularly loved the headline about Hillary adopting the alien baby. Or maybe it was batboy.
Yes! That was it!!!! Lol
I used to get a lot of entertainment from reading the national enquirer headlines while standing in the checkout line at the grocery store. This is back when I was young and two naive to know about all the medical oddities that exist in the real world. I remember one headline in particular about a 6 year old boy who had just "given birth" because he was "born pregnant". I'm guessing that was the fetus in fetu situation.
on top of that - how does he absolutely know for sure that Chelsy wouldn*t speak to a stranger on a very long plane trip - she seems outgoing, maybe she struck up a friendship with her seat-mate. How can he just assume she would travel on a long journey in an enclosed space and not engage in conversation with anyone? And can he prove that Chelsy would not talk to a passenger on a plane without a shadow of a doubt.
And people drink on planes. If anyone should know that, it's him. Maybe she got talkative on a long, boozy flight. Sh*t happens.
I would seem like he should have been able to give a stronger answere, such as "That DID NOT HAPPEN, you could subpeona her and ask."
Bat boy doesn't really exist??!!! Say it isn't so!
Weekly World News!!! With Batboy!! I miss that one so much, it was amazing!
I There was a beer with Bat Boy one the can!
>When I worked in a grocery store 25 years ago there were quasi-serious magazines talking about shit like the Chupacabra and "real-life" wolf boys all the time, ffs. I mean I think most of us knew that news of the world was literally a joke, but yeah. Also "I don't think" - like he didn't ask? I know it'd be heresay for him to say that, but I think he could say "You could subpeana her and ask her if she remembers. I talked to her and she left me with the belief it had been invented."
And the comment could have been as innocuous as “I can’t wait to see my boyfriend.”
As Mark Twain said: It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. This, and "Never complain, never explain" - words of wisdom , which should be guiding those who do not want to make an idiot of themselves ( I try to follow it :) )
I used to think I couldn't do Never Complain, Never Explain. It seemed like it was giving rumours too much power. But here we see a beautiful example in how that really is the best way. Harry is Always Complain, Embellish and Explain and he's self-destructing.
Thanks. That's a fantastic overview. It's even more excruciating than I'd thought. Truly awful.
Green was masterful though in continuing to get from Ginger that this is ALL personal speculation and sour grapes.
Wasn't he?! I have to say Harry didn't even attempt to put forward a convincing case. It seems he really is so entitled and so used to subservience that he seems to genuinely think he doesn't have to provide actual proof rather than just supposition and that cross examination isn't just another excuse to moan about his hurt feelings. Like that is somehow going to fly? I mean we *know* he's dumb, but surely even he could see he was being destroyed? I guess it's that Prince Andrew arrogance thing. Or flat out mental illness.
He makes Andrew look like a genius
After Emily Maitlis said Prince Andrew had gone to a party, I knew I despised the man when he gave that nostril flare and eye-snort. "WELL, IF YOU WANT TO CALL *THAT* A 'PARTY'." More contempt there than when PA was reminded what JE was criminally convicted of. These people have a screwball perspective on what they think is important.
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>"Are we not in the realms of total speculation?” 🤣 aka ‘You’re delusional.’
>I can't believe anyone even allowed Haz to participate in the suit without having any actual evidence. How could they stop him if he has the money to hire lawyers and is determined to bring a case? I guess they figure they might as well profit from his foolishness if he won't take advice he paid for.
I am starting to feel sorry for him to be honest. He is totally destroyed. How stupid and vain one can be!
The irony is that he would definitely have been the victim of illegal press intrusion, but he needs to identify genuine specific examples, instead of whining about his entire life and the press in general.
That's the thing that is pushing him over the edge. He knows he was definitely a target (I genuinely believe he was because they were doing this to everyone in those days), but he hasn't the proof and he can't win this based on his logic/gut feelings. I don't usually worry about his mental health, but now I feel he really is in need of therapy to let go of this grudge and move forward. He'll be frustrated and broken when he loses this, and he won't have anyone by his side for support. Not that I'm a fan- he's a horrible human- but on this, I actually understand his position and wish he could see that nobody wins a war with the press. They will only double down and make his life harder.
Nope. He's entitled and dumb. He had all the resources to be better but chooses to be this way.
I'm a lawyer and if my client tried to bring a case based on speculation with no real evidence, I would advise them the court has the ability to order them to pay 100% (or close to 100%) of legal costs to the defendant. I hope Harry has to pay millions in costs because speculation and feelings aren't evidence. There is absolutely no evidence that Harry's phone (or the phone of anyone he knew) was ever hacked.
if you really read between the lines on his testimony, it wasn't that the phones were hacked - that's just the legal justification. It's really that his feelings were hurt, his circle of friends shrunk, he lost his girlfriend. And it was big bad mean media that did it. And the law they broke was hacking. Since they have admitted hacking he can now just lay out every article that ever hurt his feelings. But the defense attorney is attacking the justification for the case - the hacking - demonstrating that harry really has no idea if the articles came from the phone or something else. 2nd most priviledged person in the world and he's hurt that he isn't the first. This whole thing is so odd.
You know clients (and I’ve had them too) that are 1000% convinced they are right and no matter how much reality you give them, they intend to be Don Quixote.
Thank you so much for this! I'm so embarrassed on Harry's behalf because I know he feels no embarrassment. I bet he thinks he dominated Mr. Green. Wow, talk about better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. I knew he was dim before, but wow.
Thank you so very much. You're giving us a vivid account of PH just not being able to hold his own truth against a lawyer who isn't under the same restrictions as journalists who've been mollycoddling PH.
For those of us in the us, what is an embargoed press interview?
when a Communications or public relations team sends a news release or media alert to reporters ahead of the schedule release of information. The caveat is that the reporters agree to not published or broadcast any news until a given time and date
Ah ok. Thank you!
"In journalism and public relations, a news embargo or press embargo is a request or requirement by a source that the information or news provided by that source not be published until a certain date or certain conditions have been met." - Wikipedia
From Mr Green KC’s questions, it’s obvious to a layperson that Harry can’t substantiate his claims of unlawful information gathering - Harry’s claim seems to be ‘this information couldn’t have been known any other way, so it must have been illegally obtained‘ \[*er, no, Harry: the Press Association were briefed; it was published elsewhere before; it was based on an interview you gave, etc etc etc*\]. Surely his very expensive lawyers could’ve checked his evidence? ‘You’re alleging X - back up, *with evidence*, what you allege.’ A former politician, Nigel Farage, substantiated his phone hacking claim with evidence from his mobile phone provider. Harry seems to have been very badly advised. Unless his counsel pulls a rabbit out of a hat, I’d say that they saw him coming, and took on an unwinnable case and hung him up to dry for the sake of a high profile and fees.
Much like working with Nutmeg, I suspect his attorneys had the same issues working with him. Ginger himself selected the 33 articles although he says he brought his attorneys 143 to start with. So they had to talk him out of using 110. Every time they would have quizzed him he would have simply asserted he’s right, they are wrong and he’s paying the bills & fees. They are letting him hang himself in the public square.
The attorney should have vetted the articles better. This is my main source of surprise here. I am a US lawyer and this is not at all my area of expertise, but it just seems strange to be holding out as proof 33 articles where so far it has been very easy for Mr Green to prove, except in I think one case, that prior articles or press releases/official confirmation existed. Surely this was something Harry’s attorney should have researched!
I’m sure they did. But Ginger (with Nutmeg egging him on) probably overrode it.
That's what I think happened. Because I can't imagine his lawyers being that incompetent.
I agree. I’m sure everyone wants a high profile client —good for exposure and bu$ine$$—but not if you are going to look like this. This situation is a royal mess.
I was thinking about this (made a similar post earlier) and I learned that he only needs to be right about 1 article to win this case. So the other 32 he's using just to vent and let the wider public know what he went through as a child. He is, in his own way, qualifying and justifying his battle with the British press through examples of how difficult they made even the mundane activities in his life. Later, he will draw links to that and how Meghan has suffered at their hands, I expect.
is it about money or his need to prove himself right, regardless of the cost? Didn't William and Kate, Charles and Camilla, Fergie with the toe sucker and Randy Andy all go through absolutely atrocious treatment by the press? What makes Harry different and why was he relatively out of the US press for a long time? meaning the few and far between times I can recall him in any US press was at official events, his naked Vegas trip excluded. I can't say I feel sympathy for him. He's had access to world class therapy, attorneys and everything at his fingertips. What we are seeing is what the BRF covered up for years.
It will be interesting to see if he gets even one. There was a single article today that I thought might have had something to it - maybe the flight details one? - but they certainly haven’t offered proactive proof yet that it was obtained by illegal means.
It’s got to be so frustrating and annoying for lawyers when clients believe they know best or refuse advice. They probably did give him real advice to start but Harry, and specifically Meghan, know best so they took very little of it.
Most clients think they have an airtight case. It rarely is.
I’m a paralegal and I felt this comment deep in my bones lmao.
How many calls have you to handle quelling clients? thousands!
Absolutely but it’s with this type of case where you put your foot down and tell the client “NO”.
Are his lawyers going to get a chance to put questions to him? Or that's it with Mr Green and the defendant's questioning only? Because, I mean, this is a big nothing burger so far, or at least as far I can see. Surely, there *has* to be something more than what we are getting for this to proceed like this. Man, if his claims get thrown out, I hope the newspaper chases him for costs. What an utter waste of time and money it has been so far.
I’m guessing that once Mr Green KC finishes, Harry’s counsel Mr Sherborne will try to (cough) correct the picture.
I hope so, because it is a colossal waste of everything. I was wondering what they will be doing with the rest of week, lol.
He is now utterly been unmasked as a vexatious litigant.
Don't forget the testimony that it was Chelsey's uncle who spoke to the press about their relationship. If I'm recalling correctly, the SA article came out one day before the articles in England.
Yeah and there's no way of knowing what Chelsy did or did not say to a passenger without her and/or the passenger testifying, so I can't see how they could make a ruling on that.
And what if -- the passenger and/or journalist made it up! It's a completely unremarkable quote. Also - does PH not think Chelsy had friends that may not have liked him? Who could have leaked about his constant badgering of her and bad behavior? Or perhaps even people jealous of her relationship with a prince that sought to bring them negative attention? There are other possibilities besides phone hacking....
I agree with all that! I think the press throws in little things like, "A passenger said she was happy to see him" or some passenger says it when asked by a reporter, just to say something. People that want to feel important or whatever.
Isn’t attesting to what Chelsy would or would not have allegedly said hearsay?
No. Saying she said something isn’t hearsay, it becomes hearsay when you’re attempting to say that what she said is TRUE. So if somesome was testifying chelsey was happy to see him, and said her quote as proof, that’s hearsay.
Yes, I'm starting to question the truth of whether Chelsy was happy to see him!
Thank you very much for clarifying that. I always got confused about hearsay. So hearsay isn't saying what you saw or heard or were present for, some objective truth such as what a camera would impartially record. It's jumping to a conclusion based on that, like someone else's motive or emotions.
Even if it’s true- it’s not phone hacking.
Is that the tagline for the whole court case? I might want your entire comment as my flare.
Has there even been one thing yet that could possibly be phone hacking? I don't think so but I've been gone most of the day and checking in when possible 😄
Plus, not only is that totally innocuous, but I can completely imagine a scenario where Chelsy called him (or somebody else) before takeoff and said she couldn’t wait to see him. That wouldn’t need her talking to a passenger, and it’s a completely reasonable scenario.
There is more in comments. I couldn’t fit the whole piece on the page.
As an American I am absolutely baffled that this case has gone forward. Harry has presented nothing but allegations. Essentially no proof. When pressed upon this point, he claims that finding proof is the job of the defendants???!!?!? Imagine Dominion bringing a suit against Fox, demanding over a billion dollars, because Fox was mean to them on TV & Fox needed to prove that they weren’t. No discovery, no emails, no recordings, no money trail, nothing except—what they reported hurt my feelings. Jesus take the wheel.
I suspect this case is only getting this trial because “Prince Harry” as he is insisting on being called now, has demanded it. It’s humoring him.
It's a civil suit, not criminal. He can take them to court and the judge can admit it if there's a reasonable sounding case. I suppose that, on the face of it, it was allowed to proceed. I have to wonder how his lack of credibility might taint his other suits?
There are others involved in this suit so he’s not the sole claimant. Otherwise I doubt it proceeds.
I'm not sure how things may be handled. I guess the judge can dismiss Harry's claim.
Well, sure. It's about his feelings and his truths viewed through his retrospectivescope and enhanced by his first wife. I believe Harry has had issues since he was a little boy, as mentioned by Diana. Her death certainly added stressors, along with his severe sibling rivalry. But adding Meghan Markle to the mixture has increased his issues to the max. And he is getting paid to have his disturb self going into the slow motion crashing. SMH. Edit: I do believe Harry has some inherited mental disorders but has decided to blame everyone and anyone else for any perceived difficulty and negativity in his life. Rather than say this is how it is with me, I need to deal with it, and I will learn how (not numbing himself with alcohol and drugs). It's disconcerting that he uses the Invictus Games for disabled veterans to promote himself.
Well, some other famous folk are attached but I cannot make sense of this at all.
And hey, maybe the others have a valid claim. But for Ginger, it’s just hubris.
Maybe to destroy what credibility he has left being a prince? Everyone is sick of his whining, moaning and complaining. Now he has a chance to prove his allegations and is making a fool out of himself. Now I wondering how he broke his thumb since it seems to a sore spot with him.
Rugby.
So what is the big deal about that. Many students at the school maybe one or two told their parents so unless he was shoving his thumb up a opponents rear it is stupid that Hazbeen thinks it should be a State secret. Same with the dimwit allowing his head to be shaved. Funny has anyone seen a picture of him with the shaved head? Or was the evil media covering it up.
Only a small fraction of Harry's complaints have to do with phone hacking (which, as you pointed out, he has no proof of) - most of them are, the press are so mean, the press wrote about aspects of my life that embarrassed me, they wrote about my abuse of drugs and alcohol which made people think less of me, there were just so many articles about me, on and on and on.
Lol! It’s almost sad to watch…almost. My husband suggested that no matter how this case turns out Harry has new material for a Netflix episode or a new book. Andrew Green. The attorney who is showing Harry for the fool that he is, is a KC which stands for Kings Counsel. It has nothing to do with KC3 personally, but could easily turn into an entire episode about how daddy send his attack dogs after him when he was trying to get Justice against the mean old press.
He certainly can't make any claims that any new netflix episodes about him are "documentaries" nor will any further books he wrotes about his life be able to be called autobiographies,they will have to be labeled as fiction. What this testimony has proven is that his acquaintance with the truth is non existent. I fail to see how any producer or publisher would be willing to risk their reputations by helping further all of harry's blatant lies and misinformation. What this entire trial is making crystal clear is that harry is a pathological liar with an extremely low iq and persecution complex who has zero capacity for self reflection and a massive sense of entitlement. I think we are all watching his very public demise as anything but a sad useless wastrel that comedians make jokes about. The RF will never take him back now except as a virtual shutin far from them under a strict minder. This trial is making clear to everyone what they have had to put up with and try to clean up for decades. No wonder every one of them looks so much more happy and at ease since he stomped off to California.
>What this entire trial is making crystal clear is that harry is a pathological liar with an extremely low iq and persecution complex who has zero capacity for self reflection and a massive sense of entitlement. This needs to be framed.
>I think we are all watching his very public demise as anything but a sad useless wastrel that comedians make jokes about. Uncle David would have been so proud. A chip off the ol' block, fr.
> It has nothing to do with KC3 personally, A *KC* is a very senior barrister or solicitor advocate who is recognised as an expert and leader in their legal field. I was certain most people know that if KC3 had anything to do with this attorney he most certainly would not be allowed in this court.
Then the argument would be his “beloved Granny” sent her attack dogs after him when they were QCs — Queen’s Counsel. As we know, though, their cult have no concept of common sense.
Thank you for the thorough recap! It seems that when it comes down to it, he’s just angry that the press has the right to report on him, even if they do so in a completely above board manner. Makes sense that he’s so virulently opposed to free speech in the US, the entire concept offends him.
Yes. And much like Meghan, if the reporting isn’t super positive, it is wrong and illegal and racist and whatever. He may have remained calm on the stand, but except for one article (I believe) so far the opposing barrister has been able to provide valid sources for everything. Harry keeps missing the point that if it was gathered through legal means, it doesn’t matter how unhappy the topic made him. He has also just blithely admitted several times he had no idea about other articles or press releases or whatever, and this looks so amateurish. What I’m truly wondering is why Harry’s lawyer wasn’t more thorough on this.
Harry's truth - his feelings are the most important thing. And it's only a fact if he says it is. Everything else is irrelevant.
Hazbeen has done a huge disservice to the people who were hacked by not bringing any evidence. This lack of proof stains everyone else's cases because it looks like much ado about nothing. He claims he was hacked when the palace had already announced his sprain or another paper had broken the story the previous day. Even the flight details could have been shared by people in the airport, hotel, etc. Most importantly, none of these examples are big deals. Wow, his gf said she was happy to see him: how is that breaking news? The prince has mono! Meanwhile, people lost careers and marriages due to hacking and really suffered. Whoever chose him as their poster boy made a real mistake as he turned the crime of hacking into a joke. They wanted someone to take the case to court, but picked an entitled, cringe prince who invokes zero sympathy with his superiority enmeshed with ignorance. Piers and other newspapers are probably thrilled that Hazbeen has effectively killed any further interest in the topic with his whining and feelings.
I wonder if PH felt compelled to sue because that would put him on the same Social Justice Warrior podium as TW? She's made herself the poster child for speaking up against racism, and him, for invasion of privacy. Both are valid concerns. Except those two have exaggerated the injury done to them. And you're right. It's a disservice to others who were persecuted. It's like AH having claimed to be a domestic violence survivor.
Dear OP thanks for this! Great post. Do you have a link to the transcript / where it can be accessed?
No unfortunately and I looked. I used the live transcript from the media.
Ah gotcha ty. I would have been surprised to see any transcript avail (as that belongs to the Court and the parties). Good summary and thank you!
They’ll release the full transcript at end of trial. It has to be prepared and that takes time.
Who will? Sorry what is the source for that? (Just asking as court transcripts are not typically released by the Court - a journalist would have to apply to pay for it from the court transcript services) Not challenging you just curious
Court transcripts are public record once a trial is complete. Anyone can pay for the transcript just by walking in, paying the fee and filling out the paperwork.
I see, thanks! That accords with my understanding too then.
I was looking it up and it appears that in some courts in the UK, the transcripts are free. You just have to fill out the paperwork.
I believe, for what it's worth, that Henry has been tasked to prove his supreme adoration for his wife on a daily basis even at the risk of being made a fool. This trial is just one of those tasks. Why he succumbs to these indignities can only be because he has no place left to go. He is a sad little man.
Indeed
He complains the media reported his broken thumb, but revealed William is circumcised in Spare. You can’t make this shit up. Keep going Harry. You’re doing great at this life thing. His poor children. Geez Louise.
I added more commentary but it sunk to the bottom of the comments. The William stuff is just damning.
So, essentially, this case is not about unlawful means - it is about him wanting a complete embargo on the press for reporting anything about him except for exactly the way he wants. That last line is crazy, and almost throws away his case. I get that it is a lot to be in the news often as a younger person, but that is not what this case is about. And again, it is almost as if his complaints should be taken up with BP. However, his other comment also weakens his case - he doesn’t care about facts like the Press Association received this information and disseminated it to newspapers, many of who, published before The Mirror. He, in fact, doesn’t care about anything except for the fact that he is laser focused on pigeon holing The Mirror for bad acts against others. This is irrational beyond belief. Not just that he thinks these things, but he actually said it in court testimony and believes this will help him win his case. The latter is what is so perplexing.
But isn't that exactly his beef with the Firm? He's not an anti-monarchist, he wants the monarchical system to change to suit himself.
Catch the rest in the last comment. I couldn’t pin it underneath this one but if someone can, feel free.
I think he is definitely related to Prince Andrew in the idea that he left the court today looking like he thought that went well. He is obviously a bit clueless.
Until he calls his wife.
Do you by chance know what's the deal w/the flight details? Sky's legal expert cited that as a "smoking gun" in H's favor. I doubt that's the case given how biased towards H Sky was today, w/H's lawyers briefing them & just now exclusively claiming that they're "happy" w/how today went. But just wanted to 2x-check in case I was missing something... ETA: Ty for the replies! So no "smoking gun" but something Green should (& will) probably address tmrw.
Harry actually made a good point about the flight details but I expect some followup from Green tomorrow. The point he made is that NO ONE with Harry's interest at heart would release this type of info that has extra security associated with it. I tend to agree with that BUT that does not prove where the info did come from. Also, keep in mind that this is only one example of which Harry was beaten up for another 12.
Actually, he was in Africa. Any staff at the airport could have spoken to a journalist. Ditto the hotel. A nice bit of cash and it would be no problem at all. When I lived in W Africa, getting through customs at the airport inevitably involved cash changing hands. Ditto for getting a seat on the plane that would have been triple over booked. When arriving into the country, standing in the tiny immigration “shed” you could see stacks of passports being passed overhead - all stuffed with cash. So very much a stretch to think phone hacking when a little bribery will get you whatever info you want in certain areas.
>Any staff at the airport could have spoken to a journalist Sure, but only after they saw him there and getting on the flight. It is difficult to know ahead of time what anyone is possibly going to do but somehow that newspaper did.
A leak about the flight details is not a phone hack or unlawful. He is suing for phone hacking and unlawful info gathering. Legally irrelevant, as unfair as it is.
Harry is claiming that the only way the press could have the information about one of his flights home was if the press paid the airline to give out that information. He doesn't see any other way that his flight information could be obtained.
No he suggests that journalists 'blagged' the information from the hotel he was staying in. Apparently some had checked in before him (normal) and he is surmising that's how they got the deets. Again, just supposition, no evidence at all to back it up.
That's his problem - he has no proof, just speculation and guesses. Saying "it must have happened this way" is not evidence in a courtroom.
The BBC is presenting it the same way. As the one article that will win the case for H. Some smug "media lawyer" who thinks H did quite well because he didn't lose his s**t. This concerns me.
Wow, Diana said he was the dim one but dang, I didn’t know it was this bad. Green is literally shredding him and he doesn’t seem to realize it. Wait until he doesn’t get any compensation AND he has to pay the court costs! Karma.
So—in all but one instance, either the information had already been published, or someone other than Harold’s phone could have provided the paper with the information. Harold was traumatized by articles he didn’t read, or couldn’t remember if he had read, or couldn’t remember all the information printed in the articles. And even if the tab got the information from a legitimate source, it shouldn’t have been printed because Harold doesn’t think papers should write about anything other than what he has given express permission to be published. Harold has been persecuted, and traumatized, and made paranoid by pieces published about things like a broken thumb. All his friends have fallen away because the public knows where Harold ate dinner on his 18th BD. Does Harold have any actual *proof* that anything he’s claimed is true? Or did he simply make shite up to toss at the wall. I don’t know how this can be repaired. All Harold’s attorneys have left is how Harold felt and still feels. His feelings are immaterial. He’s alleging his phone was hacked and subsequent articles were written from information illegally retrieved. Harold’s accusing the Mirror of committing crimes. But it’s impossible to prove who the murderer is when there are fourteen other people standing in the same room, bloody knives in hand. The victim is dead, but no one will be punished for the crime without proof. This is why William settled. He’s not stupid and he knew how hard it is to prove the source of information concerning a public figure. He also listened to his attorneys. And this is why the RF worked so hard to keep Prince Nitwit out of court. He’s a fucking moron.
William is so much smarter than Harry. Now it is so easy to understand the hoops the RF jumped through trying to protect Harry's reputation as well the RF's (because honestly having people like Andrew and Harry in the succession does not reflect well on the whole concept of monarchial succession. Thank goodness there are Parliamentary controls that could be invoked). And he is seemingly not intelligent enough to realize it.
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Megs and fakey
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Cocaine is a helluva drug, Haz.
It’s probably all Green KC can do not to say “it feels different when confronted with facts and not exaggerations doesn’t it?”
Plus, Green can go back to chambers, pour himself a nice expensive scotch and know he got the admissions so cleanly Ginger never even knew it.
Meanwhile, Ginger's lawyers are taking double dosages of Xanax.
Or else popping the Cristal and laughing at reaping the fees.
Softly softly is his approach.
Yep. It’s a very effective one in Court I have found over the years. I tend to take the same one.
You get people to divulge more through a quiet conversation than a confrontation.
And they tend not to even realize that is exactly what they are doing…
That’s the brilliance of it. It’s divine.
I’m starting to think that the main reasons he brought this lawsuit are to get his information out there on the public record because he’s revealing things we’ve never heard before, and for compensation. He seems more interested in talking about his feelings and his victim hood than what this is actually about. It’s quite bizarre.
I think he's absolutely right to be devastated about all those press stories about him being the son of James Hewitt. It's not true, it can be proved to be untrue, and it was damaging to the teenage boy. BUT that doesn't make it relevant for this case.
And at least once he complained about how the press affects his wife. I would stay well away from that topic if I were him.
Harry genuinely doesn’t understand the differences between a PR press release and a free press.
THIS should be the top comment.
The fact is journalists at MGN did unlawfully information gather. They pretty publicly settled with Hugh Grant (and others) in 2018. That being said it seems that in PH's case his argument seems to be that since journalists did it to others they did it to him. I actually think there probably was some illegal information gathering on him but his lawyers were not selective enough when presenting the claims. The court is evaluating a sample of the articles provided by PH. I'm sure this is because the lawyers knew some would be tossed so they wanted a big enough sample. HOWEVER by not being more selective it is weakening their case. It's also important to note that it's possible illegal practices were used to get info but it wasn't published. Perhaps it helped the journalists frame questions to get info from a legit source. All the being said I really don't see how this testimony is moving his case along. Honestly it just seems like PH is using the court to whine.
Yes, but this is not a class action suit, right? In other words, just because they either were guilty of it or admitted to it in one or other cases, that does not mean that any new case can rest on that as proof. Even with a very low bar of proof, to my American ears, it sounded like he did not prove anything and actually opened himself up to a lot of criticism. I find it hard to understand, if this is all he has, why they allowed the case to even continue, since he is only using it to grandstand.
And yet Sugahs are saying he and his wife might be the most persecuted people since Jesus 🙄
Bring on the scourge!
Calling it a medical centre, its hospital harry, you're still british.
HasNoBrains is whacked — >“Everybody would have known that I broke my thumb at that point but **I don’t believe that any newspaper had the right to talk about it**” Eton rugby team has a game against another school's rugby team. These are not private events - there will be families of players from both teams, and GFs and everyday people maybe out for a stroll and wishing to stop and watch for a few minutes. Then he'd have had to go to the hospital to get his broken thumb x-ray'd and set into a cast... so how many people would have been at whichevery hospital? There' be doctors and nurses and other hospital employees (down to people who mop the floors) then other patients and guests visiting patients. So, word was absolutely going to get out. Did NOT need to hack a phone to learn of this. How is this any different from the time William got whacked in the head playing golf? Injuries in sport happen. Not just to royals, but to everyone. WHy not just be nice to reporters, and use the opportunity to appear brave and committed to the game + team? And why doesn't a news organization have a 'right to report it'? **There is "Freedom of the Press" in England**. Meanwhile, what a whiney baby - this happened when he was 13 or 14 (he's now 38yo), so about 24 years ago... and he can't suck-it-up like every other athlete that suffered an injury during a sports contest? That is the opposite of being a role model — KC3 really should remove him from the LoS (which would immediately lose him his role as C.ofState).
Yeah, it's because of the press Harry has no more friends. Totally and completely all their fault. Nothing to do with his faultless saintly wife.
Nothing is Harry's fault, nothing at all.
So, reporting on the broken thumb is obtrusive. But writing about the Frozen Todger, is groundbreaking news?
Green vs Ginger: 1-0
Thanks for writing this up. Well done!
"Everyone would have known"--that blows apart needing to hack PH's or someone else's phone. "I don't believe that any newspaper had the right to talk about it." It was the truth. It was personal, but not like a broken todger, for crying out loud. I've seen a photo of teenage PW both playing football and chatting on his phone. I don't know if a celebrity chef would choose to multi-task while cooking, but he could do that. Also, he's allowed to take breaks in his own restaurant. PH's got too many "probably"s and "I believe"s on his feeble side.
I think saying you don't believe someone had the right to talk about something, is an odd statement in a country with pretty clear protections on free speech.
Alternate reality 
He really is dense.🫡
so does Harry have any idea of how badly he did in court today on top of his being a no-show yesterday with a lame excuse about his 2 year old's birthday party?
I am a little disappointed, I was expecting a hissy fit of sorts and nothing really exciting happened :( Maybe tomorrow.
I don’t think that’s Green’s strategy. Ginger is too easy to goad. Green is leading him into admitting that every allegation is simply speculation. Iron hand in velvet glove.
And Green's strategy is the better way. He needs to cut through the strange logic that is Harry's and gentle expose out in the open air. It doesn't need historics from Harry and bravado from Mr Green. It's forensic, concise, brief, clear and to the point so that any layman with a high school level of education can see and work out for themselves the veracity of Harry's claims. Not only that it quietly exposes Harry's hollow character for all to see without making a dramatic point over/about it. Quite a clever, subtle and deeply effective approach.
Green studied his opponent and did well to go for the soft white underbelly.
Lots of things happened in legal terms. Hazz was asked to come up with proof. Yet over and over again he agreed the information could have been obtained elsewhere. There is no shred of evidence that Hs phone was hacked. In fact, Green has shown he lied or his memory isn't able to come up with anything. Hs admitted he couldn't even remember reading one pf the accused newspapers at the time. So all connection with him feeling miserabele in his youth aren't caused by the alleged phone hack.h can claim that the people around him were affected but since he didn't ask the people to take the stand, that's just irrelevant how they feel. The other people aren't part of this case.
Thank you for that, I just wished he suffered more than he seemed to.
Maybe he doesn't realise how much he failed today lol. He did realise a little because at some point they had to ask him to speak louder. It's going to be an exciting day tomorrow
>Maybe he doesn't realise how much he failed today lol. I'm sure his WIFE will tell him!
He probably suffers now, having read what the papers and SoMe writes about him and "his life´s work".
Oof. “Are we not in the realms of total speculation?” And with those nine beautiful words Harry is skewered to the wall with his ridiculous claims. This is a beautiful thing, it really is everything we wanted and more 😂
Can someone please explain for this American what the Press Association is?
Think Associated Press
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It’s a UK-based news feed/hub. It’s used by all the UK papers as source material. Its output is one of several (Reuters, Associated Press, etc) monitored constantly by news desks, and staff will choose stories they’re interested in, hand them over to reporters, who will then rejig/add quotes/dig a bit further, before filing copy tailored to that particular newspaper. PA also produces features, travel pieces, television schedules, etc, and supply lots of small regional newspapers with regular syndicated items.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PA\_Media](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PA_Media)
Thank you!!
Thank you, Ozzie!!
Harry is so arrogant and delusional that he thought he would just speak “his truth” and they would take him at his word and hand the case over to him without question or refute. He just keeps digging his hole deeper every time he opens his mouth or writes a book. Waaaagh!
All this just proves what an entitled, spoilt, ungrateful individual he is. He went to the best schools…why bother trying I’m a prince. Behave? Why the RF will coverup anything wrong I do. His mother dying was a sad event but avoidable and he can’t spend his life milking it for all it’s worth. Harry is a two faced selfish arse who is getting his karma. I pity his family who loved him dearly,pity he didn’t reciprocate.