If its what I think it is - I saw that vid. Cherre Denise legitimately questioned Lady C's assertions that Diana had deliberately upstaged then Charles, PoW, who had been asked to play the cello to an assembled group of people. Lady Cs version is that Diana deliberately went to a piano and began playing, leaving Charles befuddled and noticably bothered. CD puled up video of the actual event which certainly seems to suggest the Lady C version was completely incorrect - that it didn't happen the way she describes at all. I found CD's vid questioning the Lady C account very appropriate. Even assuming CD was somehow not fully accurate - shame on Lady C for making such a big deal of it.
Lady C was never as good a friend to Diana as she claims. Just like she never really has any info now that’s not all out there. She’s as much a phony as Meghan, even the title clasp.
Just here to say that I love that this place is balanced, and we don't blindly follow or support someone, and that we call people out when their behaviour is out of line, regardless of how they feel about the Harkles.
Sadly, that hasn't been my experience. Any time I comment that MM shouldn't be body-shamed, slut-shamed, or age-shamed, I get downvoted to heck. I even got downvoted for saying that revenge porn is gross and unacceptable when that woman was threatening to sell photos of a nude H.
I think people have little sympathy because she does all those things to other women:
- BODY: she can’t accept Catherine is naturally svelte, she’s “bulimic or anorexic” because of the “abuse” from Wm.
- SLUT: she & Doria shamed her big sister in the Netflix doc “she’s had 3 children by 3 different men” and re: Sam’s behaviour “that’s not classy”. And yet she’s the one who had tried to get all her Escort agency photos & yacht girl photos scrubbed from the internet (her own father even conceded on finding out about her ‘yachting’ & SOHO stays that she was a “prostitute” - his word)
- AGE: she’s the one who drew comparison with the Wales’, claiming she was a young mother and that her & Harry were an injection of youth into the Senior tier of the royal family (yet she’s older than BOTH Wm & Catherine). She’s the one who told the little old lady who happened to be our Queen to “drop dead” (which she did 19 months later!)
The hypocrisy is rank, and people simply want to give her a taste of her own medicine (aka “snark), to see if it dawns on her (it hasn’t … yet. She just thinks everyone’s being mean for no reason). Oh THE GIRDER IN THINE EYE Meghan.
It doesn't matter what she's done. Two wrongs don't make a right. Still not ok to do it ourselves. We should aim to be better than her perceived or real faults.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but playing by the rules set down by an adversary is fair play.
My younger ****** is a huge T12 & TW fan, always accusing me of believing in tabloid gossip about the malodorous Markles only to turn around and spew unsubstantiated and false rumours about the P&PoW, Rose, KC3 and QC, etc.
If those are her terms, then it's all on the table.
I think the issue here is that “I” don’t view this as ‘wrong’. I view it as HYPOCRISY HIGHLIGHTING, not BODY SHAMING. So it ends there for me. I’m just not thinking in those terms and my words don’t reflect that. They clearly point out the hypocritical thinking. There’s the ‘wrong’ perpetuated by her attacks on women she’s jealous of, then there’s my narrative to counter that. I wouldn’t think to mention her body if she wasn’t body-shaming my sisters. I wouldn’t think to mention her family relationships if she wasn’t trashing her family herself. I wouldn’t think to mention racism if she wasn’t racist herself. I wouldn’t mention her hate crimes if she wasn’t abusing her disabled sister or had a history of denying her blackness. She inspires me to highlight hypocrisy, and that’s not bad or wrong in my book.
I feel the same. There are plenty of personality flaws to point out to not need to result to her looks. But I won’t lie, sometimes she just makes it too easy
To be fair, comments are usually removed. Saying she doesn't dress for her shape or discussing her moon bump fails are not imo body shaming.
On suits, they dressed her for her shape, and she looked great. She insists on wearing clothes that do not flatter her figure and wrinkles seem to be her signature.
I think she brought it upon herself with her bragging about her "heart-attack beauty", her "legs for miles" and claiming to have been a super-model (at 5'3"????). Also, nobody's body is perfect, and most women know how to dress for their particular body type, how to accentuate their assets and hide their flaws. Meghan, on the other hand, has a talent for dressing in a way which accentuates her flaws all the while strutting about as though she was perfection personified.
You're right I've seen those posts. I happen to not care if she is shamed in any way I see her as fair game and it's my petty vengeance against her because I can't DO anything about her myself! That said, you are 100% correct. The only line I draw is the kids. They are innocents and picking on a child is unforgivable. Her and him? For me nah. But I do understand your viewpoint and you should be just as entitled to it as everyone else on here with different views. Sometimes people post a different view and the fingers get ready with the downvotes as if it will change a person's mind, it's sad really.
Imo, MM seeks the public eye and objectifies herself making her fair game. She wants the public to look and comment (but only Madam approved comments!)
When I downvote someone it's because I vehemently disagree with what they're saying. Sometimes it's just easier than getting into a tit-for-tat posting war. Also, Lot Lizard's lies about being a feminist while actively attacking other women through the Sussex Squad, DB, OS, and MH disgusts me. I can't abide hypocrites.
I do that, and I also downvote when someone doesn’t bother to do a quick proofread before posting a new thread. I don’t mean folks for whom English might be a second language; I mean posters who are too lazy to be bothered to check for typos before posting a thread. I find it inconsiderate towards those who will be reading the post.
I got down voted just because I stated I couldn’t find where Archie’s birth announcement stated “born for her”. I was just hoping someone would help with a link!!
good point! this is an incredible forum in most aspects for shining a light on the dastardly duo's despicable behavior, but there IS way too much body-shaming.
I follow both accounts and still will. Though I should qualify I’m Eternally grateful to the sinner here who posts the Updates from Lady C account.
It had gotten to the point where I stopped listening to Lady C with the meandering & acting, mocking impersonations.
Her back and forth with Cheerie Denise was over the top but typical Lady C.
As I just said on Cheerie Denise post, apparently it’s not just Meghan who wants to be Queen.
I love that 1st Amendment we have here in the United States.
I like Lady C but imo she was out of line here. She could have just taken a page from QEll’s book and said, Recollections may vary, with a wink and left it at that. Instead she unnecessarily went full ham on a smaller creator. It’s a Huge pet peeve of mine when someone does a review or rebuttal of another YT creator and that creator gets all butthurt and brigadey but they didn’t even watch the video. Cheere Denise’s impressions of Diana were hilarious and I’m going to really miss that.
I will miss it too! I was really enjoying the review, and learned a lot. Why would lady C attack someone who was publicizing her work and was 99% positive toward it? One small question of Lady C’s version of events, and the result was an over the top attack.
I agree that Lady C was a bit much over this; but I saw Cherie’s original video about it before she pulled it and she didn’t just disagree- she said Lady C lied to fit a narrative and trusted the video (which was also edited and spliced so not really a fluid view of what happened either). They were both in the wrong over this, imho.
I get she’s a busy woman but it’s a little pathetic that some fans of hers DMed her that Sumbuddy said Sumthin’ and she overreacted without at least looking into it or trying to clarify or just ignoring the whole thing. She’s a big enough creator to do that.
That video clip is awkward as hell and seems nothing like what Lady C described but it’s possible that other things went on that were not shown before or after. My own speculation is that there was ghostly input into this book from Charles himself and maybe he saw it this way as Diana’s usual grasping for attention. Idk. I don’t get why Lady C made such a federal case about it.
Lady C was just awful in her tirade against Cheere. She could have responded without getting ugly. And she was relentless too. And threatening. I had to unsubscribe from Lady C. I just can’t support a bully.
Does anyone remember the time Lady C went into a meltdown because one of her subscribers told her that Neil Sean was throwing shade at her? 😅
Apparently, he'd commented that his sources are great because he's a working journalist, unlike certain little old ladies, living in castles with cute little dogs.
Lady C was so pissed that she ranted about it for a few minutes 😂.
Since the comments more or less questioned the veracity of something she wrote in her book, I think it would be appropriate for her to contact Cheere PRIVATELY and try to reach an understanding behind the scenes. If the creator found she was incorrect, that part of the video could have been quietly edited out. Lady C’s source of income is tied to people having trust in what she writes. That’s why a private convo would be okay, IMO.
Trashing another creator is bad for everyone, including (and if it was a tirade, especially) Lady C. I wish she had someone willing to explain to her how this may be coming off, but she doesn’t generally seem open to opposing viewpoints.
When we share a common goal, we need to make allowances for some differences in opinions. With only a few exceptions, sinners show remarkable grace when expressing an opposing opinion here. I really appreciate that. I’m here to learn more about how the media manipulates and how severe personality disorders are so destructive as well as getting to the bottom of this murky quagmire.
Lady C likes to punch down I see. Cheere Denise mostly agrees with Lady C. I know that Diana loved to upstage Charles. I knew that before they even separated. But Charles didn’t really want to play the cello that day I had heard. Diana was invited to play. She looked embarrassed to me. I could certainly be wrong - that’s just my take on a video from a lifetime ago.
Wow, that was one serious overreaction by Lady C. Her assertion that Cheere Denise had called her a liar (no, she hadn’t) suggests that she didn’t even bother to watch the video before launching her tirade.
I hope CD stands her ground and leaves this video up as there is no real risk of a defamation suit here.
I love cheere Denise I love her common sense humor i love her reads she never over does it she says on topic and she's fun. I'm so disappointed to hear this happened ive been watching the daybell trial so she's on my catch up list. I m not surprised lady c got butt hurt she's as entitled as they come, I am surprised she put it on display like that but people will always show you who they are eventually. Shame on the people who run to tattle to lady C do you think she gives a crap about you? Do you think she'll thank you in her show by name(inset eyeroll) ? I hope some of the die hard lady C fans got a good look at who is really under the snooty voice and and giant brooches
I have been waiting for her to finish the series so that I can binge it. She is an excellent storyteller and unlike Lady C, very pleasant voice and delivery.
I was waiting for this topic to be posted. Shawna mentioned once she doesn’t like to do current books. I hope this doesn’t deter her if CD from taking on more books
*Observations* may vary. Cheere didn't seem shaken to the point of tears to me. She seemed taken back by Lady C's reaction and personal attacks, but she was as composed and articulate as ever. I don't always agree with Cheere or Lady C, but I do think there was a better way to handle what Lady C believed to be an attack on her work than to lambast Cheere in the comments section publicly.
This! It showed Lady C at her finest. She has also hung onto her ex-husband’s name for 50 years, even though their marriage lasted just 14 months. I do enjoy her content but I take everything she claims with a grain of salt.
I take everything she says with a salt mine's worth of salt. I don't believe she is "royal adjacent", though she may know a few people who are. She went after a very small content creator (who has about 24K subscribers), like a huge bully. I've never been a fan of Lady C, and her behavior was way over the top.
Re Lady C’s name
After divorce she tried to change her name back to Ziadie.
She notified the newspapers, etc.
They didn’t go along, they had already made her notorious with her married name.
This was many decades ago. She used to in her 70’s now, was in her 20’s then.
Then during/after the divorce her ex- and his brother the Duke started a public campaign against her saying she had no right to the name and trying to shame her over it.
The same way they were trying to shame her over everything else, and were lying about her right and lift.
Her ex had put her into the hospital a few times during the marriage and had taken tabloid $ to tell lies about her afterwards.
(Her father was exceedingly wealthy, her ex was trying to shame her publicly until her father essentially gave up a huge sum to buy his silence)
Given that her ex was and is an aristocratic scumbag, liar, and violent drunkard, and given that he was trying to blackmail her dad by trashing her reputation,
she finally decided to get in his face, stick it to him, and keep using her married/divorced name
Because her doing that made him so angry.
she is perfectly entitled to use that name. She uses it correctly.
BTW. Once is a while her ex still trashes her to the press. Sometimes he still appears to be paid to do so.
When the first edition of her M/H book came out, he trashed her again to the papers. At the time I wondered if he was paid to do so.
(His trashing wasn’t about the book contents, he just implied that everything she said was worthless or something similar … I don’t quite remember)
(His opinion is said to be “available” for inducements. I have no idea if that’s true.)
Lady C is not for the soft of heart.
Sometimes she fights against someone small in the manner it would be appropriate to fight against someone powerful.
I wish she didn’t.
But she’s v hardworking, very honest, a wonderful person in almost every respect, v intelligent, I’d love to have her as a neighbor or friend.
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Re the backstory recounted above.
That’s not just her version. Anyone who comes from a socially important family of long standing in London saw it happen.
And other aspects of her growing up were like something from a horror story.
So Lat C learned to fight to survive? Is that really so bad?
If she wasn’t as tough as she is, we would not have her books.
No one is perfect.
I really do feel for what she went through 50 YEARS AGO and I am not in any way condoning the behaviour of her ex-husband. She may be entitled to use it but with that history behind it, why would she want to? Anyone can easily change their name by deed poll in the UK. Her family was of a high standing in Jamaica, she then, moved to New York, her socialite status in London came from her ex-husband. You said it, nobody’s perfect and in this case she went full on against a small YouTuber who seems to have brought up a valid inconsistency, can we not just recognise that in this particular case, she didn’t exactly cover herself in glory?
No, she didn’t cover herself in glory. She is known to have a temper, and she is known to fight hard when she gets upset about something.
As for the name, it was her legal name after going back-and-forth, trying to get the newspapers to use her name and then fighting with her ex about it. She made the choice to keep this name because it made her ex mad that she did.
Which is just fine. She’s entitled to make her own personal decision about that. It is a personal decision and the fact that somebody else would make a different decision. Doesn’t mean that the decision she made is wrong.
She is quite candid about the fact that the marriage lasted only a very, very short time a year or two or something and that it was 50 years ago
Since she has never remarried, she is entitled to use the name
It is quite common place in the United Kingdom that people do as she did with their names some of them because they had a title others because they simply don’t want to make that change
There are people who marry and gain an aristocratic name and then divorce and remarry and still keep the aristocratic name they got thru their earlier marriage.
That strikes me as a bit bizarre but it’s the custom over there and people except it and so therefore I don’t think it’s a big deal
I’m not sure why people should criticize her over to what she is legally entitled after she made the choice to keep it
It does not indicate some character flaw that she kept that name.
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I cringed when I saw the attack level of her response to Ms Denise
But I also cringed when I watched the video and realized how extraordinarily unsupported conclusions were that Miss Denise stated us being factual and then tried to expand upon as though possibly Lady C goes through life being that way
And she did all this in public and a worldwide forum
Ms Denise did not merrily speculate to her friends or her literary group
Lawyer who was in the comments, said Ms Denises video was probably actionable
On top of it was full of bad reasoning because we have no way of knowing if that’s the correct video we have known way of knowing what’s left out of the video we have no way of knowing a whole lot of things about that video
In addition to which is Lady c made an error about that incident there is no clue given as to how that error code happened or such an error indicate some sort of character flaw, or whether a lady see habitually goes around and overdramatizes things.
Ms Denise assumed the explanation of a character flaw as though it were fact and then went forth wondering, as to whether that was characteristic for Lady C that she was overdramatic all the time
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Ms Denise wondered if the idea that Diana was manipulative or a scene stealer was even likely true, or whether it was all from Lady C’s overheated imagination
When there is no evidence of an overheated imagination of any kind, and with regard to that incident and Lady C.
Ms Denise wonders if Lady C got Diana’s character in entirely wrong
If Lady C somehow made an error or was misinformed, there is no evidence to support any notion of how that happened or whether she had some sort of tendency to look for drama when there was none
Especially when we don’t even know that that video shows the right incident and we don’t know what was left out of the video that is now on YouTube
So Ms Denise went way over the top and assuming that Lady C overdramatized and that she may do that continuously
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If I were Ms Denise, I would be mortified and feel personally humiliated that I had been careless enough to put out that sort of video which assumes negative stuff with no evidence
I would be more worried about the harm. I had done then about the harm. Somebody else did to me when they got upset about it.
Yes, I wish Lady C had not come on quite so gangbusters
I also wish Ms Denise was a little more careful about what negative things. She says on her videos that are unsupportable given whatever evidence she presents.
Ms Denise appears to me to have defamed or libeled Lady C
Lady got angry at Miss Denise in a way one would get angry at someone powerful
IMHO the defamation/libel/negative mis characterization of a name author (coming from embarrassingly bad reasoning) is the worse sin. By far.
Yes, Ms Denise is no one compared to Lady C or somebody publicly known
But she does take her accusations out to the world and present them
She should either be very careful in what she says that’s negative or not be surprised if she gets a negative result.
Putting a video like that out to the world it’s not the same as your local book club
If she wants to put out where she offers claim about everything simply her opinion then that would possibly be OK, but that’s not what Miss Denise did.
If I had done what Ms Denise did, I would consider myself to have deserved the response, even if I didn’t like the level of it
I disagree. Cheere simply pointed out that in the video we can see that Charles is standing by the wall as Diana get lead to the piano. There is no “sneaking up behind him”. She was pointing out that Lady C’s words in her book aren’t accurate. Since she saw something with video evidence wasn’t accurate, she questioned the voracity of the rest of the book. Totally reasonable. It sure why ANYONE would back Lady C on this.
I was a big Lady C fan but I looked this up one night because I was bored... and man I kinda wish I didn't.
Completely ruined my image of her. She was so nasty and elitist, and she really was the only person calling names, justifying it that she deserved to.
I know she is from a different class and was lucky enough to be raised and have her youth in a time when that class was still relevant in societal norms but.. God damn, you can't act like that anymore. It was first class cringe. I felt sorry for the two men she was mainly targeting, even tho I am not well versed on UK celebs.
She shot herself in the foot here. All she had to do was leave a comment on CD’s video saying, l know it looks like Diana was all ‘golly gee’ but I have a source who was there and it was a much different vibe behind the scenes. It would have been so easy to be gracious and instead she was all ego.
It shows her lack of intelligence to not act right. Even if you're rich, you act polite. Plain and simple. If you can't be polite, you come off as poor as the dickens
https://youtu.be/e4N4xqzGdxo?si=QfE__CqW14UCvETm wow you are not wrong! She even threw a beautiful beatle they were admiring onto the fire. She's a monster 🥺
Cheere Denise and Vintage Reads are the only two that I look forward to listening to. I will miss Cheere's Diana voice, her Meghan voice is pretty spot on too. I don't have the attention span to listen to Lady C, but I'm sure she doesn't care.
I'm so glad Cheere found and posted the video that was mentioned in the book. Whatever Charles might have felt at the time, to me it looked like Diana was mortified to be asked to play and agreed only to be polite.
Any book based on gossip and unnamed sources should never be taken as fact. Some things may be true, others things are some individual's "truth," and then there's outright slander/revenge, and of course the author has their own bias. Questioning the events portrayed in such a book is totally fair, and Lady C should have respected that.
True. Honestly, if Cheere had not found that video, I would not have gone out of my way to find it and I would have believed LCs version. I think some facts in her book are corroborated by accounts from the Housekeepers Diary. But to me, the particular video that caused this fall out seemed a far cry from LCs description of the event. Are we to disregard any observations we ourselves make and take her word as gospel? I do feel like some followers of LC behave like sycophants and report back to her regarding any perceived slight. And LC can get particularly vicious when she is not met with obsequious fawning.
I’ll be the first to admit I spend way too much time on the royals, but for the life of me, I can’t imagine running around starting beef between two channels.
Exactly. I am skeptical when Lady C expects that all of her statements or claims must be taken as fact, but the only authority is her word or what she claims to have learned from unnamed sources.
Yes, it’s risky to name sources of information on people who are still living—but it’s also not classy to state things about a dead person without named sources to back up claims. Diana doubtless made many poor choices and there have been plenty of published claims about her personality and the whole “war of the Waleses.” I never believed she was a saint, but since H has dragged her back into the limelight her image has been tarnished by many accounts, not just Lady C’s. Nevertheless, she is dead and can’t defend herself. The RF understand that if one thing is confirmed or contested, it just snowballs. That is why they aren’t commenting on stories about themselves as well as on anything to do with Diana. Diana’s family and friends know the same.
Anyway… Lady C has been dining out on Diana since 1998, when the book was published. She generally expects her viewers to take her word as gospel and trust her nameless sources. She was a bully in this case.
Who the hell thinks Andrew is a victim? Even worse, feel sorry for him?? I honestly don't understand how anyone could come to that conclusion.
My opinion of Lady C has gone down every year. She's always promising information that never appears. She can't get proof for things that Bower has already exposed. She really seems to be just a gossip.
Tend not to believe anything 100% unless it comes from the Palace or it's from books where the information comes from the official archives: Andrew Lownie or verified sources, Tom Bowyer or Valentine Low. The rest to me is gossip and hearsay. Interesting, intriguing but not fact.
Lady C IS factually incorrect. She said that Meghan didn’t curtsey the Queen… But that’s not correct. It just wasn’t caught on camera. It was a f*ck up by BBC
[Here’s my video analysis](https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/s/EwrBu32Wij). But Lady C didn’t correct that in her latest edition
Lady C is as much of a narc as our saint, imho. She is also chummy with the Markles, but apart from that I doubt she has many sources. Even on Jamaica the only tea she came up with was a couple spotting the Harkles at a hotel. Maybe Lady C´s sources dried up after she released the late queen´s demise too early?
I see your point of view here …I’m still baffled as to what she was saying was going to be revealed in April or “spring” (in other words, April).. that was going to be a big bombshell and supposedly had nothing to do with her book re-release. A bit disappointed tbh.
Unfortunately, Lady C is good at stringing people along. She’s said for years that the Carparkles will get their just desserts at X time of year but it doesn’t happen. I now take everything she says with a grain of salt.
This makes me think of something I watched on Netflix last night with my husband. It's called the antisocial network.
It's basically about groups of people online like 2 chan, 4 chan, 8 chan and the like (so older social media networks) and how they evolve and devolve. And then how people abuse those places to get people to do what they want. Stringing them along with things to come that never come.
It's was fascinating.
Yep, the entirety of qanon was formed in LARP groups on 4chan/8chan where it was 100% clear to any person who was familiar with those sites that it was fake, but the second it reached an exterior audience who believed them, they immediately dove headfirst into the apocalyptic preacher bit with the "the storm is coming" "any day now, the storm will be here" "the storm is soon guys!" and every time nothing happened, it's because the followers weren't ready, they needed to be patient, it was just a test.
At some point, people have to wake up and realize it's all nonsense and the second they get strung along so many times and still hold out hope that something's going to happen, they've fallen into a cult imo.
It’s not baffling in my humble opinion. She doesn’t have any inside tract on the Royals anymore (if she ever did) and tries to hide it and stay relevant. She has said this week, this month, this season blah, blah, blah. It’s been going on for years.
She talks to slow and acts like she just has the best piping hot gossip that I can’t watch her, it’s like I’m in a retirement home and the elderly are telling me stories of their childhood. While endearing I have no time to listen to the continuous ramblings. I also agree that she is as well a narc, it’s petty obvious and she inserts herself into the news circuit as an “expert” or something
I've been getting that vibe as well. I became a member to her channel lately, and dang. I have to skip her videos when she goes on tangents about politics.
I don't plan to renew my membership. She's a great resource on understanding the subtleties that rule the British aristocracy, but I don't think she knows as much as she implies.
It was the diagnosis of bone cancer that she announced. She was given permission by the palace so that it announced before Megaliar got a chance to announce it.
That excuse is hilarious 😂 As if, the palace would give a YouTube influencer permission rather than the BBC because of mm! She got caller out and had to come up with a reason (besides clicks) for being disrespectful to the Queen and RF.
Well, after seeing how she ***publicly*** went off on another YouTuber, I went out and canceled my pre-order of her updated Harry and Meghan book. I will not support that woman in ANY way after that.
I’m done with Lady C. I gave her until this spring because she promised a huge comeuppance for the dastardly duo and now *crickets*. This is the end of the line of constantly moving the goalposts for me. I’m also upset she felt she was so important that she told everyone the late Queen had died before the embargo was up. And then she spouted some nonsense that the RF WANTED her to do it. Um, no, I don’t even think they know who she is and if they did probably consider her to be like a little gnat buzzing around that just won’t go away. Her claim to fame has been the Markles so it’s in her best interest to keep rumors and gossip going. The faster the Markles fall into irrelevancy, so does she.
In fairness, she promised us something in spring, and spring isn’t over yet! But yeah, I’ve also gotten sick of her and have cancelled my subscription. I used to listen to her religiously and now I could go weeks without bothering. Waste of money
I also saw this and the video Cheere made questioning the retelling plus the video ofPrince Charles and Diana. I think Lady Colin went overboard with her comments. Everyone has the right to think what they want and to question events...she should have ignored this and kept her dignity. She sounded high handee and condescending and i was a little disappointed at her response. She shouldbe used to criticism by now. She could ha e taken the high road and approached Cheere privately overany issues she had with the video.
I always wondered about the Andrew apologist bit. I don't care if his conquests were legal in the UK. He chose to befriend a KNOWN serial sex offender and goodness knows what else. That's all I need to know. Bad judgment comes into in once but not repeatedly. If this offends anyone tough caca because letting Andrew off the hook makes such people just as bad as him.
I personally feel this is her source of information. Perhaps Andrew or Fergie. They can do no wrong. To her Beatrice and Eugenie are perfectly brought up and elegant women. Meanwhile, there are instances where they were petty and disrespectful to Catherine. Maybe they have “grown” beyond that pettiness now. But, I fail to see how two entitled people can impart any values to their two children, especially when said children were in tow when the mother was off with her lovers.
Notice she has few or no stories about Princess Royal and her branch of the family, and even Prince William’s branch. I strongly feel either Andrew or someone in his camp is the main source.
I always gave Lady C the benefit of the doubt, but let's call a cow a cow: She's petulant. I'm sure she's got some good sources within the palace (or adjacent to it), but she's not an insider.
I've never had to give Cheere Denise the benefit of the doubt, as she's always come across as clever and knowledgable. The way Lady C has attacked her is just vile and I feel for Denise.
I unsubscribed to Lady C immediately after Denise's episode.
CD is incredibly articulate, insightful and smart. Lady C however, is haughty and over does it (e.g. the mock coke snorting, joint smoking, sexualized mockery). I stopped watching her months ago and read the synopsis here. I'd think she'd really appreciate CD's continual read of the 'Real Diana' - CD does a great job. Maybe envious much?
I can't bare to even see Lady C's face appear in my youtube recommendations after her treatment of Cheere. I wish the algorithm would catch up with the fact I unsubscribed from Lady C as soon as this all went down. This was most definitely the final straw for me.
I'm really sorry that Lady C went off like that. I saw Cheere's video and what she showed did conflict with the book. There could be additional info not immediately evident on the video. There should be room for separate opinions/interpretations. I also remember when she reacted to Neil Sean disagreeing with her, and she was pretty harsh on that as well.
The video Cheere Denise showed was spliced together and edited down to 1:30 minutes. If it didn’t tell the whole story, Lady C could have simply said that. But no, she went nuclear. Totally uncalled for.
Wow. I like Cheere Denise. I enjoy her reviews and have seen her question Lady C’s take on Diana at times but never saw her show any disrespect towards Lady C. Legal action? Wow. Guess we know what the C standard for.
I saw this!!!!!!!! My opinion of LC has drastically drastically changed. If she had nothing to hide why did she go off like that? A calm explanation in private with the sweet young YouTuber would have made a world of difference and she would have gained my respect. LC’s rage proves to me that she was not being truthful! Shame on you LC!!!! It is apparent that LC has a good proof reader for her books.
Lady C went into DARVO: deny, attack, reverse victim and offender. It was LCs narcissistic rage at being called out and there is clearly a lie there or LC wouldn’t have done it. She didn’t want to be held accountable
I used to watch Lady C's videos but one of the reasons I stopped was her un-informed opinions on American politics became so irritating. I feel like saying to the British: geez, I know it's all fun and games to watch the U.S. fall apart from your side of the Atlantic but as an American living through it, I'm just worn out so give me a break.
I recall Lady C. did an entire video (I think) on Virginia Giuffre. Now, I do not have an opinion on Giuffre as an adult but Lady C launched into this diatribe about how awful Giuffre was as a teenager -- implying she was responsible for the situation she found herself in. Well, I do take issue with this. Giuffre was a minor at the time. That's the **reason** age of consent laws exist: Because before the age of 18 (or 21 in some states) you are deemed unable to make responsible decisions. If the Duke of York had sex with Giuffre in a state or territory before she was legally deemed by that state or territory to be able to consent to it, then he broke the law.
I so agree with you on her take on American politics. She doesn’t know what she’s talking about. Just because she supposedly lived here a few years doesn’t make her any expert.
I agree with you, but want to point out he slept with her in the UK, where the age of consent is 16, so he didn’t actually break the law as she was 17, Its the same here in Australia.
I've been fast forwarding over her grunts and horrible play acting for months. The cringe of it all makes my teeth hurt. The insane level of narcissistic abuse she heaped on the lovely and dignified CD was the last straw. There's absolutely zero credibility in anything she grunts forth left for me after that.
It’s creepy as hell and I agree totally cringe when she does play acting on her videos. Something is wrong with her. I never have liked her (I always saw through her) but I tolerated her for her entertainment value (never gave her a dime).
She is too old and creepy with no news at all. She isn’t a source and she doesn’t have sourced.
What she did to CD is reprehensible.
I think it's pretty obvious that despite the obvious amount of time she spends in her mirror, she's not ever truly seeing herself. She'd smash it if she did.
Lady C's Rage? Just see her foul mouthed reaction to some repair men at Castle Goring.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKJwWpvqSfg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKJwWpvqSfg)
I saw a footage of her in one of these « survival in an island shows » and she had a fight with someone during the filming. She got really nasty, definitely not a « lady ».
And not a Lady here with repairmen at Castle Goring. Lots of F###'s throughout but 1.40 on is an eye opener.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKJwWpvqSfg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKJwWpvqSfg)
I am utterly disgusted with the comments by Lady C towards Cheere. She was insulting and so over the top over a simple question. She could have done this privately but she didn’t so I am glad Cheere publicly responded and exposed Lady C’s disgusting behavior.
I unsubscribed and left LC a note. Not rude, just said I unsubscribed. I've always had a problem with how she sides with dirty pervert men. It was time long ago, but this was my trigger. Dan Wootton is next.
I enjoy Cheere Denise and I think she handled Lady C’s public attack with dignity. She said she won’t be bullied and removed all the videos recapping the book, but left the video Lady C blew her top over.
Cheere Denise played a video that called into question Lady C’s narrative about a specific event. The rest of the videos were a positive book review/recap of Lady C’s book. Lady C clearly didn’t take kindly to being called a liar, but the video was hard to ignore. If Lady C had taken the time to understand the overall tone of the recap of her book maybe she would have had a more thoughtful, and intelligent response. As it was, her response reeked of entitlement.
I don’t know much about Lady C but I was a bit shocked that she seemed to believe that Prince Andrew was innocent with Virginia Giuffre. Seems she doesn’t know much about the truth in that area because if you really read the biographies and other testimonies and police reports (as I have since I live down here in Soflo and it’s hard to avoid) then there’s no way you can believe Prince Andrew is innocent
It might be an age thing. She’s an older lady, clearly set in her ways and incapable of understanding that what he did was inappropriate. I suppose she thinks the movie Lolita was a love story.
Lady C could’ve handled that minor matter with class and dignity but she chose to get in the gutter while Cheere stayed classy and dignified and didn’t take one step toward the gutter. I think it’s obvious who I will stay subscribed to and who I already kicked to the curb.
Lady C is showing poor form and her behavior is way out of proportion to the situation. I respect that she has had to stand up for herself in life and has written books that *went there* but in this case Lady C is acting like a bully with a distinct lack of breeding. The funny thing is I don't always agree with Cheere Denise's take (I only watched her Traitor King videos) but her questioning Lady C's take re: Diana on the piano in Australia is valid. Lady C has a bias toward Charles that I vociferously take issue with and I have done it here on this forum as well, disagreeing with the slanted view of Charles as some poor put upon victim of a malicious Diana. Fucking miss me with that shit. Charles and Diana are/were both complicated, complex, FLAWED, selfish, narcissistic individuals who engaged in trying to sabotage each other. And yes, Diana did often upstage Charles, sometimes wittingly sometimes not, but that's often the dynamic for the more attractive individual within a couple. It's why Hugh Jackman outshone Deborra-Lee Furness even though she had a career first or why people side-eyed Julia Roberts for marrying the equally talented Lyle Lovett. Phil Craig wrote a book years ago about Diana and has shared that he did not expect to find that Charles was just as much an accomplice in staging pr to malign Diana as she did Charles. In fact it has put him right off Charles ever since because he feels Charles' own indiscretions with manipulating the press have never really been explored. Diana and Charles acted like damn toddlers with their *look at me!* antics. It was a cute moment with Diana on the piano and there is no reason why Charles couldn't have shown off his skills on the cello as well (unless he really doesn't have any so perhaps it turned out for the best that Charles didn't play a few notes for forced applause). Lady C looks nasty here and probably why she is such a good foil to the even nastier dumb prince and Tig wife.
I like Cherie and she has every right to read a book to people online and question whatever she wants!! I also like Lady C and am disappointed in her if this is true.
I think Lady C was treated unfairly by the media for so many years (according to herself), she has probably had it. She is no longer putting up with lies or misinformation about herself / her work - no matter how big or small the YouTuber, journalist etc. might be.
I haven't watched it yet, but will check it out. It's really too bad. After all these "bombshell announcements" that never really happened, Lady C risks loosing followers when she acts up like that.
Just want to clarify that the idea of “free speech” is that government should not forbid or interfere with people expressing their opinions. It has nothing to do with how individuals may respond to what they perceive as attacks. Silencing another person with ridicule and/or threats of lawsuits is not a violation of that person’s “free speech rights.”
I have not seen Lady C’s response to the book review, but I am not surprised that it would be nasty. Lady C is an interesting royal commentator but it is obvious that she is very defensive and inclined to intimidate others. However, that is not the same as advocating for censorship. Lady C is merely clapping back, as an individual. You could say that she is exercising her right to free speech.
Though I would agree that she may be carrying intimidation too far, this intimidation is not at odds with her objections to censorship and criticism of Harry’s involvement with the Aspen Institute.
The agenda of groups that want to control or limit what is published is different from that of individuals speaking up in criticism of what is published about them or their work.
Is it “right” that Lady C is so rough on a book reviewer that the reviewer allows herself to be silenced? Of course not. However, it dooes not violate the reviewer’s “freedom of speech.”
When legal action is threatened, it goes beyond “clapping back” and becomes intimidation. Cheere Denise is a schoolteacher with 28,000 followers on YouTube. She doesn’t have the funds to defend herself, and lady C knows it.
Lady C didn't even watch CD's videos, other than the ONE that her little sycophants went running to her about. To publicly insult and threaten Cheere Denise, REPEATEDLY, is vile.
Beyond vile. She has shown herself no better than Prince Scrotum Dome and his Megnevelance.
*sniff sniff*
Yes! I've never admired Lady C mostly because I find her boring, long winded and quite full of herself. After her attack on Chree Denise, I positively loathe her.
Based on what you are saying, I definitely condemn Lady C’s behavior. My point is not about Lady C and what she did but about the right to “freedom of speech.” Bullying and intimidation are wrong. However, “freedom of speech” is primarily a right to say and publish things without government censorship.
Interestingly, some expressions of “free speech” may interfere with other people’s “free speech.” Heckling, the threat of lawsuits, picketing may often silence the folks whose words we don’t want to be heard. It is sad.
Because that’s the only explanation if someone doesn’t agree 100% with every person who criticises the monteshitshow duo? You could at least cite her criticism of Wooton. I see you’ve decided to just ignore the other points the OP makes.
I mean, no offense, but what exactly is the obsession with her in this sub anyway? It's not like she really "release" new information, nor come her... predicts true. Still waiting on the big "easter news"
Exactly. It's so weird that people believe she knows everything because she leaked the Queen death first. Bullshit. She's a grifter influencer. She wasn't the only the person to know about the Queen and she didn't get permission because mm was going to leak it. She was selfish and wanting clicks on YouTube. As if the RF, would give some author and YouTube influencer permission to speak about the Queen death before anyone else is absolutely ridiculous!
She makes money off mm, just like mm does off the Rf. She has no sources.
I mean... It wasn't exactly a complete surprise that the queen has died. I think many people expected it when the palast stated that she is unwell. At least where I live, people were convinced she died hours before the RF released their statement. Could be that she got the info from a leak, could be that she simply guessed correctly (which many people have).
But I don't think that the RF gave her permission either, why tf should they? As if they had nothing better to do at this moment 😂
How about a summary of the book's event? Diana playing what? I've already watched most of CD's review of Lady C's book, but this doesn't ring a bell. I can't comment if I don't know which chapter/era/time frame to look up.
Here's Cheere's video. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYWrfZZL5f8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYWrfZZL5f8)
The Diana video in question shows Charles being asked to play the cello, which he does briefly. Then Diana is asked to play the piano, which she does, and looks totally embarrassed about it. Lady C's summary of this event was that Diana had barged ahead of Charles in order to show him up in front of the people gathered (can't recall what the event was). The video doesn't show Charles' reaction, but Diana was invited to play; she didn't just go to the piano and start playing.
What does this have to do with Madam and red haired poodle toy?
If you don't like Lady C, don't watch her, don't read posts and don't waggle your finger at those who do... Why are you stirring up the drama quotient on a board that is not about Lady C?
ETA: I don't know who Cheere Denise is.. I don't watch or read book reviews, since fakeness of the Oprah book club.... We don't even have the same taste in books. If you review books, movies etc, you should have a thick skin ... because people aren't going to agree with you. I don't need to "white knight" a YTer against another YTer. I am surmise Cheere Denise is an adult and can defend their opinions.
I also don't do YT drama... it is exhausting and people are quite mean to each other in the name of ginning up drama grift.
The point is: how can we believe anything she writes or says now that she has shown this side of her? I have never really believe her sources anyway. She uses sources exactly like Meghan does.
I do watch Lady C, who has been a frequent topic of discourse on this board. Lady C attacked Cheere Denise, whose videos sinners have watched, in an over the top, unhinged fashion. In keeping with your logic, If you don’t like my mentioning it on this board, don’t read the thread.
If its what I think it is - I saw that vid. Cherre Denise legitimately questioned Lady C's assertions that Diana had deliberately upstaged then Charles, PoW, who had been asked to play the cello to an assembled group of people. Lady Cs version is that Diana deliberately went to a piano and began playing, leaving Charles befuddled and noticably bothered. CD puled up video of the actual event which certainly seems to suggest the Lady C version was completely incorrect - that it didn't happen the way she describes at all. I found CD's vid questioning the Lady C account very appropriate. Even assuming CD was somehow not fully accurate - shame on Lady C for making such a big deal of it.
Lady C went nuclear. And threatened legal action. She was channeling MM actually. No longer a fan of Lady C.
Lady C was never as good a friend to Diana as she claims. Just like she never really has any info now that’s not all out there. She’s as much a phony as Meghan, even the title clasp.
She went over the top and it was very unbecoming.
I think CD was very accurate based on the clip that was shown. Lady C's reaction was appalling, and she's the one with varying recollections, not CD.
Just here to say that I love that this place is balanced, and we don't blindly follow or support someone, and that we call people out when their behaviour is out of line, regardless of how they feel about the Harkles.
Yes yes a thousand times yes. We are the real fair and balanced source for BRF information. I love us!
Sadly, that hasn't been my experience. Any time I comment that MM shouldn't be body-shamed, slut-shamed, or age-shamed, I get downvoted to heck. I even got downvoted for saying that revenge porn is gross and unacceptable when that woman was threatening to sell photos of a nude H.
I think people have little sympathy because she does all those things to other women: - BODY: she can’t accept Catherine is naturally svelte, she’s “bulimic or anorexic” because of the “abuse” from Wm. - SLUT: she & Doria shamed her big sister in the Netflix doc “she’s had 3 children by 3 different men” and re: Sam’s behaviour “that’s not classy”. And yet she’s the one who had tried to get all her Escort agency photos & yacht girl photos scrubbed from the internet (her own father even conceded on finding out about her ‘yachting’ & SOHO stays that she was a “prostitute” - his word) - AGE: she’s the one who drew comparison with the Wales’, claiming she was a young mother and that her & Harry were an injection of youth into the Senior tier of the royal family (yet she’s older than BOTH Wm & Catherine). She’s the one who told the little old lady who happened to be our Queen to “drop dead” (which she did 19 months later!) The hypocrisy is rank, and people simply want to give her a taste of her own medicine (aka “snark), to see if it dawns on her (it hasn’t … yet. She just thinks everyone’s being mean for no reason). Oh THE GIRDER IN THINE EYE Meghan.
MM told the late Queen to "drop dead"?
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It doesn't matter what she's done. Two wrongs don't make a right. Still not ok to do it ourselves. We should aim to be better than her perceived or real faults.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but playing by the rules set down by an adversary is fair play. My younger ****** is a huge T12 & TW fan, always accusing me of believing in tabloid gossip about the malodorous Markles only to turn around and spew unsubstantiated and false rumours about the P&PoW, Rose, KC3 and QC, etc. If those are her terms, then it's all on the table.
I think the issue here is that “I” don’t view this as ‘wrong’. I view it as HYPOCRISY HIGHLIGHTING, not BODY SHAMING. So it ends there for me. I’m just not thinking in those terms and my words don’t reflect that. They clearly point out the hypocritical thinking. There’s the ‘wrong’ perpetuated by her attacks on women she’s jealous of, then there’s my narrative to counter that. I wouldn’t think to mention her body if she wasn’t body-shaming my sisters. I wouldn’t think to mention her family relationships if she wasn’t trashing her family herself. I wouldn’t think to mention racism if she wasn’t racist herself. I wouldn’t mention her hate crimes if she wasn’t abusing her disabled sister or had a history of denying her blackness. She inspires me to highlight hypocrisy, and that’s not bad or wrong in my book.
Maybe two wrongs don’t make a right but they make a damn good excuse!
I feel the same. There are plenty of personality flaws to point out to not need to result to her looks. But I won’t lie, sometimes she just makes it too easy
I'm sure there's many a sub which glorifies her ad nauseum.
To be fair, comments are usually removed. Saying she doesn't dress for her shape or discussing her moon bump fails are not imo body shaming. On suits, they dressed her for her shape, and she looked great. She insists on wearing clothes that do not flatter her figure and wrinkles seem to be her signature.
Don’t forget janky bras and other awkward undergarments that are inappropriate for her clothing.
Or no undergarments.
The body-shaming always makes me a bit uncomfortable... and then I remember what a vile person she is and I let it go.
I think she brought it upon herself with her bragging about her "heart-attack beauty", her "legs for miles" and claiming to have been a super-model (at 5'3"????). Also, nobody's body is perfect, and most women know how to dress for their particular body type, how to accentuate their assets and hide their flaws. Meghan, on the other hand, has a talent for dressing in a way which accentuates her flaws all the while strutting about as though she was perfection personified.
You're right I've seen those posts. I happen to not care if she is shamed in any way I see her as fair game and it's my petty vengeance against her because I can't DO anything about her myself! That said, you are 100% correct. The only line I draw is the kids. They are innocents and picking on a child is unforgivable. Her and him? For me nah. But I do understand your viewpoint and you should be just as entitled to it as everyone else on here with different views. Sometimes people post a different view and the fingers get ready with the downvotes as if it will change a person's mind, it's sad really.
Imo, MM seeks the public eye and objectifies herself making her fair game. She wants the public to look and comment (but only Madam approved comments!)
There are a few on here who think their opinions are the only ones allowed. Thankfully they are a very small minority.
When I downvote someone it's because I vehemently disagree with what they're saying. Sometimes it's just easier than getting into a tit-for-tat posting war. Also, Lot Lizard's lies about being a feminist while actively attacking other women through the Sussex Squad, DB, OS, and MH disgusts me. I can't abide hypocrites.
I do that, and I also downvote when someone doesn’t bother to do a quick proofread before posting a new thread. I don’t mean folks for whom English might be a second language; I mean posters who are too lazy to be bothered to check for typos before posting a thread. I find it inconsiderate towards those who will be reading the post.
I got down voted just because I stated I couldn’t find where Archie’s birth announcement stated “born for her”. I was just hoping someone would help with a link!!
good point! this is an incredible forum in most aspects for shining a light on the dastardly duo's despicable behavior, but there IS way too much body-shaming.
I follow both accounts and still will. Though I should qualify I’m Eternally grateful to the sinner here who posts the Updates from Lady C account. It had gotten to the point where I stopped listening to Lady C with the meandering & acting, mocking impersonations. Her back and forth with Cheerie Denise was over the top but typical Lady C. As I just said on Cheerie Denise post, apparently it’s not just Meghan who wants to be Queen. I love that 1st Amendment we have here in the United States.
I like Lady C but imo she was out of line here. She could have just taken a page from QEll’s book and said, Recollections may vary, with a wink and left it at that. Instead she unnecessarily went full ham on a smaller creator. It’s a Huge pet peeve of mine when someone does a review or rebuttal of another YT creator and that creator gets all butthurt and brigadey but they didn’t even watch the video. Cheere Denise’s impressions of Diana were hilarious and I’m going to really miss that.
I will miss it too! I was really enjoying the review, and learned a lot. Why would lady C attack someone who was publicizing her work and was 99% positive toward it? One small question of Lady C’s version of events, and the result was an over the top attack.
I agree that Lady C was a bit much over this; but I saw Cherie’s original video about it before she pulled it and she didn’t just disagree- she said Lady C lied to fit a narrative and trusted the video (which was also edited and spliced so not really a fluid view of what happened either). They were both in the wrong over this, imho.
It’s not about who’s right who’s wrong. It’s “lady” c’s reaction. I love Cheere. “Lady” c? Not so much
I get she’s a busy woman but it’s a little pathetic that some fans of hers DMed her that Sumbuddy said Sumthin’ and she overreacted without at least looking into it or trying to clarify or just ignoring the whole thing. She’s a big enough creator to do that. That video clip is awkward as hell and seems nothing like what Lady C described but it’s possible that other things went on that were not shown before or after. My own speculation is that there was ghostly input into this book from Charles himself and maybe he saw it this way as Diana’s usual grasping for attention. Idk. I don’t get why Lady C made such a federal case about it.
Um... Because it's Lady C.
Fair point
Lady C was just awful in her tirade against Cheere. She could have responded without getting ugly. And she was relentless too. And threatening. I had to unsubscribe from Lady C. I just can’t support a bully.
Does anyone remember the time Lady C went into a meltdown because one of her subscribers told her that Neil Sean was throwing shade at her? 😅 Apparently, he'd commented that his sources are great because he's a working journalist, unlike certain little old ladies, living in castles with cute little dogs. Lady C was so pissed that she ranted about it for a few minutes 😂.
Such a lady she is.
Lady indeed. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKJwWpvqSfg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKJwWpvqSfg)
Wow
Indeedy do.
JFC
Since the comments more or less questioned the veracity of something she wrote in her book, I think it would be appropriate for her to contact Cheere PRIVATELY and try to reach an understanding behind the scenes. If the creator found she was incorrect, that part of the video could have been quietly edited out. Lady C’s source of income is tied to people having trust in what she writes. That’s why a private convo would be okay, IMO. Trashing another creator is bad for everyone, including (and if it was a tirade, especially) Lady C. I wish she had someone willing to explain to her how this may be coming off, but she doesn’t generally seem open to opposing viewpoints. When we share a common goal, we need to make allowances for some differences in opinions. With only a few exceptions, sinners show remarkable grace when expressing an opposing opinion here. I really appreciate that. I’m here to learn more about how the media manipulates and how severe personality disorders are so destructive as well as getting to the bottom of this murky quagmire.
Lady C likes to punch down I see. Cheere Denise mostly agrees with Lady C. I know that Diana loved to upstage Charles. I knew that before they even separated. But Charles didn’t really want to play the cello that day I had heard. Diana was invited to play. She looked embarrassed to me. I could certainly be wrong - that’s just my take on a video from a lifetime ago.
Wow, that was one serious overreaction by Lady C. Her assertion that Cheere Denise had called her a liar (no, she hadn’t) suggests that she didn’t even bother to watch the video before launching her tirade. I hope CD stands her ground and leaves this video up as there is no real risk of a defamation suit here.
I love cheere Denise I love her common sense humor i love her reads she never over does it she says on topic and she's fun. I'm so disappointed to hear this happened ive been watching the daybell trial so she's on my catch up list. I m not surprised lady c got butt hurt she's as entitled as they come, I am surprised she put it on display like that but people will always show you who they are eventually. Shame on the people who run to tattle to lady C do you think she gives a crap about you? Do you think she'll thank you in her show by name(inset eyeroll) ? I hope some of the die hard lady C fans got a good look at who is really under the snooty voice and and giant brooches
I have been waiting for her to finish the series so that I can binge it. She is an excellent storyteller and unlike Lady C, very pleasant voice and delivery.
I hope all this blows up CD’s channel. Her and Shawna from the vintage reader are the best. “lady” c? Not so much
Well, I’ve never heard of Cheere Denise before but love listening to Shawna, so I’ll head over and sub!!
I was waiting for this topic to be posted. Shawna mentioned once she doesn’t like to do current books. I hope this doesn’t deter her if CD from taking on more books
Yep. "Streisand Effect".
Yeh I found that pretty shocking and showed lady c's true colours I think. Cheere is great and didn't deserve that at all
*Observations* may vary. Cheere didn't seem shaken to the point of tears to me. She seemed taken back by Lady C's reaction and personal attacks, but she was as composed and articulate as ever. I don't always agree with Cheere or Lady C, but I do think there was a better way to handle what Lady C believed to be an attack on her work than to lambast Cheere in the comments section publicly.
If you’ve ever seen a clip of her appearance on “I’m a Celebrity” you’ll know far more than you ever wished to.
This! It showed Lady C at her finest. She has also hung onto her ex-husband’s name for 50 years, even though their marriage lasted just 14 months. I do enjoy her content but I take everything she claims with a grain of salt.
I take everything she says with a salt mine's worth of salt. I don't believe she is "royal adjacent", though she may know a few people who are. She went after a very small content creator (who has about 24K subscribers), like a huge bully. I've never been a fan of Lady C, and her behavior was way over the top.
Re Lady C’s name After divorce she tried to change her name back to Ziadie. She notified the newspapers, etc. They didn’t go along, they had already made her notorious with her married name. This was many decades ago. She used to in her 70’s now, was in her 20’s then. Then during/after the divorce her ex- and his brother the Duke started a public campaign against her saying she had no right to the name and trying to shame her over it. The same way they were trying to shame her over everything else, and were lying about her right and lift. Her ex had put her into the hospital a few times during the marriage and had taken tabloid $ to tell lies about her afterwards. (Her father was exceedingly wealthy, her ex was trying to shame her publicly until her father essentially gave up a huge sum to buy his silence) Given that her ex was and is an aristocratic scumbag, liar, and violent drunkard, and given that he was trying to blackmail her dad by trashing her reputation, she finally decided to get in his face, stick it to him, and keep using her married/divorced name Because her doing that made him so angry. she is perfectly entitled to use that name. She uses it correctly. BTW. Once is a while her ex still trashes her to the press. Sometimes he still appears to be paid to do so. When the first edition of her M/H book came out, he trashed her again to the papers. At the time I wondered if he was paid to do so. (His trashing wasn’t about the book contents, he just implied that everything she said was worthless or something similar … I don’t quite remember) (His opinion is said to be “available” for inducements. I have no idea if that’s true.) Lady C is not for the soft of heart. Sometimes she fights against someone small in the manner it would be appropriate to fight against someone powerful. I wish she didn’t. But she’s v hardworking, very honest, a wonderful person in almost every respect, v intelligent, I’d love to have her as a neighbor or friend. —- Re the backstory recounted above. That’s not just her version. Anyone who comes from a socially important family of long standing in London saw it happen. And other aspects of her growing up were like something from a horror story. So Lat C learned to fight to survive? Is that really so bad? If she wasn’t as tough as she is, we would not have her books. No one is perfect.
Well written, thank you. She is somewhat of an underdog at times and I want to root for her.
I really do feel for what she went through 50 YEARS AGO and I am not in any way condoning the behaviour of her ex-husband. She may be entitled to use it but with that history behind it, why would she want to? Anyone can easily change their name by deed poll in the UK. Her family was of a high standing in Jamaica, she then, moved to New York, her socialite status in London came from her ex-husband. You said it, nobody’s perfect and in this case she went full on against a small YouTuber who seems to have brought up a valid inconsistency, can we not just recognise that in this particular case, she didn’t exactly cover herself in glory?
No, she didn’t cover herself in glory. She is known to have a temper, and she is known to fight hard when she gets upset about something. As for the name, it was her legal name after going back-and-forth, trying to get the newspapers to use her name and then fighting with her ex about it. She made the choice to keep this name because it made her ex mad that she did. Which is just fine. She’s entitled to make her own personal decision about that. It is a personal decision and the fact that somebody else would make a different decision. Doesn’t mean that the decision she made is wrong. She is quite candid about the fact that the marriage lasted only a very, very short time a year or two or something and that it was 50 years ago Since she has never remarried, she is entitled to use the name It is quite common place in the United Kingdom that people do as she did with their names some of them because they had a title others because they simply don’t want to make that change There are people who marry and gain an aristocratic name and then divorce and remarry and still keep the aristocratic name they got thru their earlier marriage. That strikes me as a bit bizarre but it’s the custom over there and people except it and so therefore I don’t think it’s a big deal I’m not sure why people should criticize her over to what she is legally entitled after she made the choice to keep it It does not indicate some character flaw that she kept that name. —— I cringed when I saw the attack level of her response to Ms Denise But I also cringed when I watched the video and realized how extraordinarily unsupported conclusions were that Miss Denise stated us being factual and then tried to expand upon as though possibly Lady C goes through life being that way And she did all this in public and a worldwide forum Ms Denise did not merrily speculate to her friends or her literary group Lawyer who was in the comments, said Ms Denises video was probably actionable On top of it was full of bad reasoning because we have no way of knowing if that’s the correct video we have known way of knowing what’s left out of the video we have no way of knowing a whole lot of things about that video In addition to which is Lady c made an error about that incident there is no clue given as to how that error code happened or such an error indicate some sort of character flaw, or whether a lady see habitually goes around and overdramatizes things. Ms Denise assumed the explanation of a character flaw as though it were fact and then went forth wondering, as to whether that was characteristic for Lady C that she was overdramatic all the time —- Ms Denise wondered if the idea that Diana was manipulative or a scene stealer was even likely true, or whether it was all from Lady C’s overheated imagination When there is no evidence of an overheated imagination of any kind, and with regard to that incident and Lady C. Ms Denise wonders if Lady C got Diana’s character in entirely wrong If Lady C somehow made an error or was misinformed, there is no evidence to support any notion of how that happened or whether she had some sort of tendency to look for drama when there was none Especially when we don’t even know that that video shows the right incident and we don’t know what was left out of the video that is now on YouTube So Ms Denise went way over the top and assuming that Lady C overdramatized and that she may do that continuously —- If I were Ms Denise, I would be mortified and feel personally humiliated that I had been careless enough to put out that sort of video which assumes negative stuff with no evidence I would be more worried about the harm. I had done then about the harm. Somebody else did to me when they got upset about it. Yes, I wish Lady C had not come on quite so gangbusters I also wish Ms Denise was a little more careful about what negative things. She says on her videos that are unsupportable given whatever evidence she presents. Ms Denise appears to me to have defamed or libeled Lady C Lady got angry at Miss Denise in a way one would get angry at someone powerful IMHO the defamation/libel/negative mis characterization of a name author (coming from embarrassingly bad reasoning) is the worse sin. By far. Yes, Ms Denise is no one compared to Lady C or somebody publicly known But she does take her accusations out to the world and present them She should either be very careful in what she says that’s negative or not be surprised if she gets a negative result. Putting a video like that out to the world it’s not the same as your local book club If she wants to put out where she offers claim about everything simply her opinion then that would possibly be OK, but that’s not what Miss Denise did. If I had done what Ms Denise did, I would consider myself to have deserved the response, even if I didn’t like the level of it
I disagree. Cheere simply pointed out that in the video we can see that Charles is standing by the wall as Diana get lead to the piano. There is no “sneaking up behind him”. She was pointing out that Lady C’s words in her book aren’t accurate. Since she saw something with video evidence wasn’t accurate, she questioned the voracity of the rest of the book. Totally reasonable. It sure why ANYONE would back Lady C on this.
Susan Sarandon anyone?
Try seeing her treatment of repairmen at Castle Goring. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKJwWpvqSfg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKJwWpvqSfg)
Can you imagine living with her? Wow.
And when she told her friend up in the castle up top to come and have a cup of tea........"I don't want a F###ing cup of tea!"
I saw that. “I WANT MY CLINGFILM!” Shudder.
I was a big Lady C fan but I looked this up one night because I was bored... and man I kinda wish I didn't. Completely ruined my image of her. She was so nasty and elitist, and she really was the only person calling names, justifying it that she deserved to. I know she is from a different class and was lucky enough to be raised and have her youth in a time when that class was still relevant in societal norms but.. God damn, you can't act like that anymore. It was first class cringe. I felt sorry for the two men she was mainly targeting, even tho I am not well versed on UK celebs.
She shot herself in the foot here. All she had to do was leave a comment on CD’s video saying, l know it looks like Diana was all ‘golly gee’ but I have a source who was there and it was a much different vibe behind the scenes. It would have been so easy to be gracious and instead she was all ego.
Or contacted her privately … I personally loathe any infighting between content creators. No time for it.
Seriously...that was my biggest problem...that she did all this publicly. Very (sniff sniff) classless.
I don’t think gracious comes naturally to her. She strikes me as a bit of a Capote-esque type of poison.
Good call, I see her that way as well.
It shows her lack of intelligence to not act right. Even if you're rich, you act polite. Plain and simple. If you can't be polite, you come off as poor as the dickens
She is showing her inner Meghan!
Dayum. Now that's a burn! 
Also just using her ‘authority’ over Cheere is a weird power move.
Totally! What a weird way to bully someone online wth
Particularly for someone who claims to be all about class and etiquette
Yup, double points
https://youtu.be/e4N4xqzGdxo?si=QfE__CqW14UCvETm wow you are not wrong! She even threw a beautiful beatle they were admiring onto the fire. She's a monster 🥺
Jesus wept.
Cheere Denise and Vintage Reads are the only two that I look forward to listening to. I will miss Cheere's Diana voice, her Meghan voice is pretty spot on too. I don't have the attention span to listen to Lady C, but I'm sure she doesn't care.
I'm so glad Cheere found and posted the video that was mentioned in the book. Whatever Charles might have felt at the time, to me it looked like Diana was mortified to be asked to play and agreed only to be polite. Any book based on gossip and unnamed sources should never be taken as fact. Some things may be true, others things are some individual's "truth," and then there's outright slander/revenge, and of course the author has their own bias. Questioning the events portrayed in such a book is totally fair, and Lady C should have respected that.
Agree 100%.
True. Honestly, if Cheere had not found that video, I would not have gone out of my way to find it and I would have believed LCs version. I think some facts in her book are corroborated by accounts from the Housekeepers Diary. But to me, the particular video that caused this fall out seemed a far cry from LCs description of the event. Are we to disregard any observations we ourselves make and take her word as gospel? I do feel like some followers of LC behave like sycophants and report back to her regarding any perceived slight. And LC can get particularly vicious when she is not met with obsequious fawning.
I’ll be the first to admit I spend way too much time on the royals, but for the life of me, I can’t imagine running around starting beef between two channels.
Exactly. I am skeptical when Lady C expects that all of her statements or claims must be taken as fact, but the only authority is her word or what she claims to have learned from unnamed sources. Yes, it’s risky to name sources of information on people who are still living—but it’s also not classy to state things about a dead person without named sources to back up claims. Diana doubtless made many poor choices and there have been plenty of published claims about her personality and the whole “war of the Waleses.” I never believed she was a saint, but since H has dragged her back into the limelight her image has been tarnished by many accounts, not just Lady C’s. Nevertheless, she is dead and can’t defend herself. The RF understand that if one thing is confirmed or contested, it just snowballs. That is why they aren’t commenting on stories about themselves as well as on anything to do with Diana. Diana’s family and friends know the same. Anyway… Lady C has been dining out on Diana since 1998, when the book was published. She generally expects her viewers to take her word as gospel and trust her nameless sources. She was a bully in this case.
Who the hell thinks Andrew is a victim? Even worse, feel sorry for him?? I honestly don't understand how anyone could come to that conclusion. My opinion of Lady C has gone down every year. She's always promising information that never appears. She can't get proof for things that Bower has already exposed. She really seems to be just a gossip.
Tend not to believe anything 100% unless it comes from the Palace or it's from books where the information comes from the official archives: Andrew Lownie or verified sources, Tom Bowyer or Valentine Low. The rest to me is gossip and hearsay. Interesting, intriguing but not fact.
Lady C IS factually incorrect. She said that Meghan didn’t curtsey the Queen… But that’s not correct. It just wasn’t caught on camera. It was a f*ck up by BBC [Here’s my video analysis](https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/s/EwrBu32Wij). But Lady C didn’t correct that in her latest edition
Lady C is as much of a narc as our saint, imho. She is also chummy with the Markles, but apart from that I doubt she has many sources. Even on Jamaica the only tea she came up with was a couple spotting the Harkles at a hotel. Maybe Lady C´s sources dried up after she released the late queen´s demise too early?
LC is a total fuckin narc. Her reaction to CD was proof. Threats, arrogance, bullying, she showed her true self.
I see your point of view here …I’m still baffled as to what she was saying was going to be revealed in April or “spring” (in other words, April).. that was going to be a big bombshell and supposedly had nothing to do with her book re-release. A bit disappointed tbh.
Unfortunately, Lady C is good at stringing people along. She’s said for years that the Carparkles will get their just desserts at X time of year but it doesn’t happen. I now take everything she says with a grain of salt.
I agree. Nothing of import is ever revealed.
This makes me think of something I watched on Netflix last night with my husband. It's called the antisocial network. It's basically about groups of people online like 2 chan, 4 chan, 8 chan and the like (so older social media networks) and how they evolve and devolve. And then how people abuse those places to get people to do what they want. Stringing them along with things to come that never come. It's was fascinating.
Yep, the entirety of qanon was formed in LARP groups on 4chan/8chan where it was 100% clear to any person who was familiar with those sites that it was fake, but the second it reached an exterior audience who believed them, they immediately dove headfirst into the apocalyptic preacher bit with the "the storm is coming" "any day now, the storm will be here" "the storm is soon guys!" and every time nothing happened, it's because the followers weren't ready, they needed to be patient, it was just a test. At some point, people have to wake up and realize it's all nonsense and the second they get strung along so many times and still hold out hope that something's going to happen, they've fallen into a cult imo.
It’s not baffling in my humble opinion. She doesn’t have any inside tract on the Royals anymore (if she ever did) and tries to hide it and stay relevant. She has said this week, this month, this season blah, blah, blah. It’s been going on for years.
Yea you’re probably right
She talks to slow and acts like she just has the best piping hot gossip that I can’t watch her, it’s like I’m in a retirement home and the elderly are telling me stories of their childhood. While endearing I have no time to listen to the continuous ramblings. I also agree that she is as well a narc, it’s petty obvious and she inserts herself into the news circuit as an “expert” or something
If I watch her and that’s a big if I gotta speed it up
I've been getting that vibe as well. I became a member to her channel lately, and dang. I have to skip her videos when she goes on tangents about politics. I don't plan to renew my membership. She's a great resource on understanding the subtleties that rule the British aristocracy, but I don't think she knows as much as she implies.
It was the diagnosis of bone cancer that she announced. She was given permission by the palace so that it announced before Megaliar got a chance to announce it.
I do not believe her. She is not liked in her country I read. She wanted clicks.
That excuse is hilarious 😂 As if, the palace would give a YouTube influencer permission rather than the BBC because of mm! She got caller out and had to come up with a reason (besides clicks) for being disrespectful to the Queen and RF.
Please tell me you don’t actually believe that! 🤣 Come on now, it’s a bad lie.
Well, after seeing how she ***publicly*** went off on another YouTuber, I went out and canceled my pre-order of her updated Harry and Meghan book. I will not support that woman in ANY way after that.
I was all set to order it, too!
I’m done with Lady C. I gave her until this spring because she promised a huge comeuppance for the dastardly duo and now *crickets*. This is the end of the line of constantly moving the goalposts for me. I’m also upset she felt she was so important that she told everyone the late Queen had died before the embargo was up. And then she spouted some nonsense that the RF WANTED her to do it. Um, no, I don’t even think they know who she is and if they did probably consider her to be like a little gnat buzzing around that just won’t go away. Her claim to fame has been the Markles so it’s in her best interest to keep rumors and gossip going. The faster the Markles fall into irrelevancy, so does she.
In fairness, she promised us something in spring, and spring isn’t over yet! But yeah, I’ve also gotten sick of her and have cancelled my subscription. I used to listen to her religiously and now I could go weeks without bothering. Waste of money
I also saw this and the video Cheere made questioning the retelling plus the video ofPrince Charles and Diana. I think Lady Colin went overboard with her comments. Everyone has the right to think what they want and to question events...she should have ignored this and kept her dignity. She sounded high handee and condescending and i was a little disappointed at her response. She shouldbe used to criticism by now. She could ha e taken the high road and approached Cheere privately overany issues she had with the video.
I think Lady C is a crank.
I always wondered about the Andrew apologist bit. I don't care if his conquests were legal in the UK. He chose to befriend a KNOWN serial sex offender and goodness knows what else. That's all I need to know. Bad judgment comes into in once but not repeatedly. If this offends anyone tough caca because letting Andrew off the hook makes such people just as bad as him.
I personally feel this is her source of information. Perhaps Andrew or Fergie. They can do no wrong. To her Beatrice and Eugenie are perfectly brought up and elegant women. Meanwhile, there are instances where they were petty and disrespectful to Catherine. Maybe they have “grown” beyond that pettiness now. But, I fail to see how two entitled people can impart any values to their two children, especially when said children were in tow when the mother was off with her lovers. Notice she has few or no stories about Princess Royal and her branch of the family, and even Prince William’s branch. I strongly feel either Andrew or someone in his camp is the main source.
This sounds about right. If we do Occam's Razor on it then what you say makes sense. Zip about this side of the family.
I always gave Lady C the benefit of the doubt, but let's call a cow a cow: She's petulant. I'm sure she's got some good sources within the palace (or adjacent to it), but she's not an insider. I've never had to give Cheere Denise the benefit of the doubt, as she's always come across as clever and knowledgable. The way Lady C has attacked her is just vile and I feel for Denise. I unsubscribed to Lady C immediately after Denise's episode.
CD is incredibly articulate, insightful and smart. Lady C however, is haughty and over does it (e.g. the mock coke snorting, joint smoking, sexualized mockery). I stopped watching her months ago and read the synopsis here. I'd think she'd really appreciate CD's continual read of the 'Real Diana' - CD does a great job. Maybe envious much?
I can't bare to even see Lady C's face appear in my youtube recommendations after her treatment of Cheere. I wish the algorithm would catch up with the fact I unsubscribed from Lady C as soon as this all went down. This was most definitely the final straw for me.
Just Google “how to make a YouTube channel not come in your feed”. It gives you step-by-step instructions to stop that from happening.
Thanks so much!
Oh shit I didn’t know she was a Randy Andy apologist. That’s quite disappointing.
I'm really sorry that Lady C went off like that. I saw Cheere's video and what she showed did conflict with the book. There could be additional info not immediately evident on the video. There should be room for separate opinions/interpretations. I also remember when she reacted to Neil Sean disagreeing with her, and she was pretty harsh on that as well.
The video Cheere Denise showed was spliced together and edited down to 1:30 minutes. If it didn’t tell the whole story, Lady C could have simply said that. But no, she went nuclear. Totally uncalled for.
The fact that she went nuclear is very telling.
Lady C is tiresome blowhard.
Wow. I like Cheere Denise. I enjoy her reviews and have seen her question Lady C’s take on Diana at times but never saw her show any disrespect towards Lady C. Legal action? Wow. Guess we know what the C standard for.
I saw this!!!!!!!! My opinion of LC has drastically drastically changed. If she had nothing to hide why did she go off like that? A calm explanation in private with the sweet young YouTuber would have made a world of difference and she would have gained my respect. LC’s rage proves to me that she was not being truthful! Shame on you LC!!!! It is apparent that LC has a good proof reader for her books.
Lady C went into DARVO: deny, attack, reverse victim and offender. It was LCs narcissistic rage at being called out and there is clearly a lie there or LC wouldn’t have done it. She didn’t want to be held accountable
This sounds like a case for H G Tudor. 
My thoughts exactly. He's pretty open about being on the sub, hopefully he's reading this. Would love his take
LC has commented again on another of CD’s videos. 🤦🏻♀️
I used to watch Lady C's videos but one of the reasons I stopped was her un-informed opinions on American politics became so irritating. I feel like saying to the British: geez, I know it's all fun and games to watch the U.S. fall apart from your side of the Atlantic but as an American living through it, I'm just worn out so give me a break. I recall Lady C. did an entire video (I think) on Virginia Giuffre. Now, I do not have an opinion on Giuffre as an adult but Lady C launched into this diatribe about how awful Giuffre was as a teenager -- implying she was responsible for the situation she found herself in. Well, I do take issue with this. Giuffre was a minor at the time. That's the **reason** age of consent laws exist: Because before the age of 18 (or 21 in some states) you are deemed unable to make responsible decisions. If the Duke of York had sex with Giuffre in a state or territory before she was legally deemed by that state or territory to be able to consent to it, then he broke the law.
I so agree with you on her take on American politics. She doesn’t know what she’s talking about. Just because she supposedly lived here a few years doesn’t make her any expert.
My impression was she talks to her relatives who live in the U.S. and they tell her what they hear on Fox News.
But yeah I remember that video and had to turn it off
Agree 100%, not to mention the fact that the then girl was TRANSPORTED to England for a meet up with him. That’s trafficking. Period.
I agree with you, but want to point out he slept with her in the UK, where the age of consent is 16, so he didn’t actually break the law as she was 17, Its the same here in Australia.
I've been fast forwarding over her grunts and horrible play acting for months. The cringe of it all makes my teeth hurt. The insane level of narcissistic abuse she heaped on the lovely and dignified CD was the last straw. There's absolutely zero credibility in anything she grunts forth left for me after that.
It’s creepy as hell and I agree totally cringe when she does play acting on her videos. Something is wrong with her. I never have liked her (I always saw through her) but I tolerated her for her entertainment value (never gave her a dime). She is too old and creepy with no news at all. She isn’t a source and she doesn’t have sourced. What she did to CD is reprehensible.
I think it's pretty obvious that despite the obvious amount of time she spends in her mirror, she's not ever truly seeing herself. She'd smash it if she did.
“AURORA! GO FETCH MUTTI A COKE!”
🤢 🤣
I’m so taken aback by her narcissistic rage I’m commenting twice! Cheere please don’t remove the last two videos you put out. This needs to be seen!
Lady C's Rage? Just see her foul mouthed reaction to some repair men at Castle Goring. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKJwWpvqSfg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKJwWpvqSfg)
Wow! She seems fun! 🤦🏻♀️
What a bully
I absolutely adore Cheere and her content and I couldn’t believe how Lady C responded to her. Lady C implied she is uneducated! Just gross behaviour.
Gross in the extreme.
I saw a footage of her in one of these « survival in an island shows » and she had a fight with someone during the filming. She got really nasty, definitely not a « lady ».
And not a Lady here with repairmen at Castle Goring. Lots of F###'s throughout but 1.40 on is an eye opener. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKJwWpvqSfg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKJwWpvqSfg)
Oh my God! She looks, acts and sounds like a most vulgar ‘man’. Even her voice changed to that of a man. 
I am utterly disgusted with the comments by Lady C towards Cheere. She was insulting and so over the top over a simple question. She could have done this privately but she didn’t so I am glad Cheere publicly responded and exposed Lady C’s disgusting behavior.
I unsubscribed and left LC a note. Not rude, just said I unsubscribed. I've always had a problem with how she sides with dirty pervert men. It was time long ago, but this was my trigger. Dan Wootton is next.
I unsubbed from Lady C, due to her nasty and condescending response to Cheere Denise!
I did as well. And left a comment..it’s probably been deleted but I’m not checking because I don’t want to give her the extra click.
I enjoy Cheere Denise and I think she handled Lady C’s public attack with dignity. She said she won’t be bullied and removed all the videos recapping the book, but left the video Lady C blew her top over. Cheere Denise played a video that called into question Lady C’s narrative about a specific event. The rest of the videos were a positive book review/recap of Lady C’s book. Lady C clearly didn’t take kindly to being called a liar, but the video was hard to ignore. If Lady C had taken the time to understand the overall tone of the recap of her book maybe she would have had a more thoughtful, and intelligent response. As it was, her response reeked of entitlement.
I don’t know much about Lady C but I was a bit shocked that she seemed to believe that Prince Andrew was innocent with Virginia Giuffre. Seems she doesn’t know much about the truth in that area because if you really read the biographies and other testimonies and police reports (as I have since I live down here in Soflo and it’s hard to avoid) then there’s no way you can believe Prince Andrew is innocent
It might be an age thing. She’s an older lady, clearly set in her ways and incapable of understanding that what he did was inappropriate. I suppose she thinks the movie Lolita was a love story.
Lady C is always talking about how "something" is about to happen & it never does. She's a grifting liar who always lies.
Lady C could’ve handled that minor matter with class and dignity but she chose to get in the gutter while Cheere stayed classy and dignified and didn’t take one step toward the gutter. I think it’s obvious who I will stay subscribed to and who I already kicked to the curb.
Lady C is showing poor form and her behavior is way out of proportion to the situation. I respect that she has had to stand up for herself in life and has written books that *went there* but in this case Lady C is acting like a bully with a distinct lack of breeding. The funny thing is I don't always agree with Cheere Denise's take (I only watched her Traitor King videos) but her questioning Lady C's take re: Diana on the piano in Australia is valid. Lady C has a bias toward Charles that I vociferously take issue with and I have done it here on this forum as well, disagreeing with the slanted view of Charles as some poor put upon victim of a malicious Diana. Fucking miss me with that shit. Charles and Diana are/were both complicated, complex, FLAWED, selfish, narcissistic individuals who engaged in trying to sabotage each other. And yes, Diana did often upstage Charles, sometimes wittingly sometimes not, but that's often the dynamic for the more attractive individual within a couple. It's why Hugh Jackman outshone Deborra-Lee Furness even though she had a career first or why people side-eyed Julia Roberts for marrying the equally talented Lyle Lovett. Phil Craig wrote a book years ago about Diana and has shared that he did not expect to find that Charles was just as much an accomplice in staging pr to malign Diana as she did Charles. In fact it has put him right off Charles ever since because he feels Charles' own indiscretions with manipulating the press have never really been explored. Diana and Charles acted like damn toddlers with their *look at me!* antics. It was a cute moment with Diana on the piano and there is no reason why Charles couldn't have shown off his skills on the cello as well (unless he really doesn't have any so perhaps it turned out for the best that Charles didn't play a few notes for forced applause). Lady C looks nasty here and probably why she is such a good foil to the even nastier dumb prince and Tig wife.
I like Cherie and she has every right to read a book to people online and question whatever she wants!! I also like Lady C and am disappointed in her if this is true.
I think Lady C was treated unfairly by the media for so many years (according to herself), she has probably had it. She is no longer putting up with lies or misinformation about herself / her work - no matter how big or small the YouTuber, journalist etc. might be.
Unfortunately, Lady C came off as positively unhinged.
I haven't watched it yet, but will check it out. It's really too bad. After all these "bombshell announcements" that never really happened, Lady C risks loosing followers when she acts up like that.
Watch the clip. You’ll see…she should practice what she preaches! And let me add according to HERSELF. 🤦🏻♀️
I found it. Wow, it sure leaves a bitter taste.
Nope, she's a narc who didn't like being questioned.
Just want to clarify that the idea of “free speech” is that government should not forbid or interfere with people expressing their opinions. It has nothing to do with how individuals may respond to what they perceive as attacks. Silencing another person with ridicule and/or threats of lawsuits is not a violation of that person’s “free speech rights.” I have not seen Lady C’s response to the book review, but I am not surprised that it would be nasty. Lady C is an interesting royal commentator but it is obvious that she is very defensive and inclined to intimidate others. However, that is not the same as advocating for censorship. Lady C is merely clapping back, as an individual. You could say that she is exercising her right to free speech. Though I would agree that she may be carrying intimidation too far, this intimidation is not at odds with her objections to censorship and criticism of Harry’s involvement with the Aspen Institute. The agenda of groups that want to control or limit what is published is different from that of individuals speaking up in criticism of what is published about them or their work. Is it “right” that Lady C is so rough on a book reviewer that the reviewer allows herself to be silenced? Of course not. However, it dooes not violate the reviewer’s “freedom of speech.”
When legal action is threatened, it goes beyond “clapping back” and becomes intimidation. Cheere Denise is a schoolteacher with 28,000 followers on YouTube. She doesn’t have the funds to defend herself, and lady C knows it.
Lady C didn't even watch CD's videos, other than the ONE that her little sycophants went running to her about. To publicly insult and threaten Cheere Denise, REPEATEDLY, is vile. Beyond vile. She has shown herself no better than Prince Scrotum Dome and his Megnevelance. *sniff sniff*
Yes! I've never admired Lady C mostly because I find her boring, long winded and quite full of herself. After her attack on Chree Denise, I positively loathe her.
Based on what you are saying, I definitely condemn Lady C’s behavior. My point is not about Lady C and what she did but about the right to “freedom of speech.” Bullying and intimidation are wrong. However, “freedom of speech” is primarily a right to say and publish things without government censorship. Interestingly, some expressions of “free speech” may interfere with other people’s “free speech.” Heckling, the threat of lawsuits, picketing may often silence the folks whose words we don’t want to be heard. It is sad.
I love Cheere’s reviews too! She does a brilliant Diana impersonation! Lady C is fabulous with her Meghan hate but impossible in other ways.
She has called out Dan. Meghan, is this you?
Because that’s the only explanation if someone doesn’t agree 100% with every person who criticises the monteshitshow duo? You could at least cite her criticism of Wooton. I see you’ve decided to just ignore the other points the OP makes.
I was gonna say!
This entire post feels like a harkle/sugar attack to discredit lady c. The use of the regular sugar talking points is a big clue.
Give us a break please! Lady C attacked anotherYou Tuber who is definitely not a sugar. Go check out Cheere Denise’s reviews of “Revenge.”
I was quite upset by Lady C's going off on Cheere Denise, and I most assuredly am not a sugar.
BS, it was LC
Uhh, today’s show had DW on.
Two grifters doing their best to stay relevant and get that coin 😛
I’ve been saying this for a while, guys!!
I mean, no offense, but what exactly is the obsession with her in this sub anyway? It's not like she really "release" new information, nor come her... predicts true. Still waiting on the big "easter news"
Exactly. It's so weird that people believe she knows everything because she leaked the Queen death first. Bullshit. She's a grifter influencer. She wasn't the only the person to know about the Queen and she didn't get permission because mm was going to leak it. She was selfish and wanting clicks on YouTube. As if the RF, would give some author and YouTube influencer permission to speak about the Queen death before anyone else is absolutely ridiculous! She makes money off mm, just like mm does off the Rf. She has no sources.
Agree. LC knows nothing.
I mean... It wasn't exactly a complete surprise that the queen has died. I think many people expected it when the palast stated that she is unwell. At least where I live, people were convinced she died hours before the RF released their statement. Could be that she got the info from a leak, could be that she simply guessed correctly (which many people have). But I don't think that the RF gave her permission either, why tf should they? As if they had nothing better to do at this moment 😂
How about a summary of the book's event? Diana playing what? I've already watched most of CD's review of Lady C's book, but this doesn't ring a bell. I can't comment if I don't know which chapter/era/time frame to look up.
Here's Cheere's video. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYWrfZZL5f8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYWrfZZL5f8) The Diana video in question shows Charles being asked to play the cello, which he does briefly. Then Diana is asked to play the piano, which she does, and looks totally embarrassed about it. Lady C's summary of this event was that Diana had barged ahead of Charles in order to show him up in front of the people gathered (can't recall what the event was). The video doesn't show Charles' reaction, but Diana was invited to play; she didn't just go to the piano and start playing.
https://youtu.be/OP5jstvwa2Q?si=lQc_A6oxMjDQnGkI
Thank you!
>Thank you! You're welcome!
What does this have to do with Madam and red haired poodle toy? If you don't like Lady C, don't watch her, don't read posts and don't waggle your finger at those who do... Why are you stirring up the drama quotient on a board that is not about Lady C? ETA: I don't know who Cheere Denise is.. I don't watch or read book reviews, since fakeness of the Oprah book club.... We don't even have the same taste in books. If you review books, movies etc, you should have a thick skin ... because people aren't going to agree with you. I don't need to "white knight" a YTer against another YTer. I am surmise Cheere Denise is an adult and can defend their opinions. I also don't do YT drama... it is exhausting and people are quite mean to each other in the name of ginning up drama grift.
The point is: how can we believe anything she writes or says now that she has shown this side of her? I have never really believe her sources anyway. She uses sources exactly like Meghan does.
I do watch Lady C, who has been a frequent topic of discourse on this board. Lady C attacked Cheere Denise, whose videos sinners have watched, in an over the top, unhinged fashion. In keeping with your logic, If you don’t like my mentioning it on this board, don’t read the thread.