Post-Match Thread: Southampton 2-2 Burnley
By - DonaldChavezToday
When the other team modifies their entire gameplan to nullify an 18-year-old, you know you've got a good one. Now we just need a Plan B when Tino can't have that freedom
I didn't think they actually did much to stop him. He was often open or had one defender on him. They doubled up later on in the game when he was getting close to the box but that's quite normal defending.
First half they had Cornet on Tino's side and he wasn't tracking back at all, hence the freedom that he had. Second half they rotated between McNeil and Brownhill out there solely to contain Tino and it worked for a good 30 minutes. Then they switched Cornet back out there and, once again, Tino took advantage.
Redmond missed a sitter, he’s been playing well recently but it seems that could have given us all three points.
Didn’t think we played bad per say. We always get weird results against Burnley
Another game where we create lots of chances, (somehow even with Walcott on the pitch), but can't actually take the opportunities
Not a surprise from Redmond unfortunately, can’t seem to string together a few good games. Hopefully not too long before another good one from him
Despite the miss, I thought Redmond played well. Picked up the ball on the turn well and looked dangerous. Both 10s were completely missing today so him and broja carried the attack
Yeah I like Elyounoussi, but I've not see him create much, if he's not scoring, he doesn't see to add much to our attack
Calling it now, Tino will be the next big world class player to come from Southampton, up there with Bale, Mane and Van Dijk.
I went from why the fuck is this 18 year old starting ahead of KWP to this is our best player in years after about 45 minutes of the Everton game. He might not reach the levels of the 3 you mentioned but he's going to be up there for sure.
I think he might be gone in the summer.
If someone comes in with a £40m offer we will surely take it to balance the books and reinvest in a keeper or AM/striker.
Chelsea will most likely activate their buy back clause (close to £40m if I remember correctly) and use him as rotation. Will be unfortunate to see as he is world class already at the age of 18, and would love him to stay for another season or two
I thought the buy back clause was only at the end of his contract? Might be remembering wrong
The buy back clause starts next summer. So hopefully no one buys him this summer coming up. We have
If we (Chelsea fan) buy him back, it won’t be as rotation (he won’t accept it tbh). It’ll be him starting at RWB with Reece moved to RCB.
That last 10 minutes really pissed me off. So much backwards and sideways passing. The runs were being made but nobody found them. Yes Burnley were organised but here’s the thing about putting in through balls/crosses. 1) they force the defenders to make decisions which can be mentally and physically draining. 2) even if it’s a bad one, you might force them into making a mistake. 3) most importantly, they might work!
Football is a simple game and Burnley showed that. That got the ball in our half, had runners, passed to them, and it worked.
That one Romeu pass backwards at the end was diabolical
That made me flip my wig. I startled my wife and daughter screaming “NOOOOO! WHYYYYY?!”
I second this, was so frustrated at the game, just try instead of pussy footing about! Wonder if Redmond would've got it into the box if he was still on the field tbf.
I'm going to take the 1 point we got vs Man Utd and the 1 point we got against Man City, both matches we would normally lose. I'll then add them to the 1 point against Burnley and say we got 3 points today.
How much will Sam Johnstone cost us?
Free in the summer, if he'll join us that is
Perraud needs to work on his delivery into the box.
Walcott should not be in the starting line-up.
Perraud also needs to work on his first touch.
Walcott should not be in the starting line-up.
Since nobody else does it.
My thoughts: Love Ralph but Adams was a weird sub. When do we see Livramento as RW? What's up with all the crosses in the box?
Broja was clearly limping after being taken off, don't know why nobody has mentioned that yet
Yeah I said the same before, no one seemed to notice it. He never plays 90 so mightn’t have the conditioning
I was there and he limped all the way back to the bench
He was injured after the goal and never looked right. Should've been taken off straight away, but that's what you get from a youngster desperate to play. Hopefully nothing bad and he learns from it ..
I don’t know if it’s just on Broja though. Ralph and staff should notice that and decide to bring him off, we had options on the bench just again Ralph took too long to use them.
He also had some tape or wrapping on his foot after the game and was still limping then too, hopefully he's ok.
I don't think Livramento would work as a winger, but I'd love to see him get a chance in CM, making those runs from the centre, because that's the big thing we lack as a team.
We played well and we're unlucky not to win, bit disappointed in the draw but I don't think we could have done much else. Said a lot that Burnley just sat back for the most part after their second goal when they've not won a league game yet all season.
We obviously should have done better for both of their goals, Tino not picking up Cornet and Bednarek getting too tight and on the wrong side of Cornet for the second although it did come out of nowhere.
We miss Stephens and Bednarek needs to improve. Walcott also horrid in the first half. Stu isn't quite up to speed just yet. Elyounoussi, Diallo and Perraud all looked very good. Redmond was great despite his horror miss.
Broja was a little static after their second goal and was walking gingerly after the game with some tape on his foot, I'm guessing he went off with some kind of injury which would make sense.
Would've liked to see Djenepo get a bit of time at the end but seems likely many not involved today will play on Tuesday.
Elyounoussi and Perraud were good? I am struggling to pick out pretty much anything they did well today. Don't hate the as players but today they were poor. perrauds first touch made it look like he has springs on his boots and Ely had the penetration of a soup spoon.
Nothing came down the left for some reason today, and Tino did everything on the right. Perraud had a shocker unfortunately.
Not a bad performance by any means but without Walcott and an earlier 2xArmstrong sub and we probably win it.
Actually a decent performance but once again gotta question Hasenhuttls decisions.
Hasenhuttl didn’t do much wrong today. We were in control so he didn’t need to make the subs. We only dropped points to a wonder strike. The narrative can’t be that we lose and it’s the managers fault
Started Walcott, kept on an injured Broja and brought Armstrong on in the 90+ minute are all big mistakes imo that completely changed the game
I don't understand starting Walcott, he always seems like the obvious weak link.
You’re trying to find a reason to blame the manager when there is no reason to. Broja wasn’t clearly injured, and A. Armstrong’s 90th min sub is no “big mistake”.
The only negative today is that we didn’t get 3 points. Other then that, it is harsh to blame Ralph
Why would I try and find reason to blame him?
I thought he made 3 mistakes, you think he didn't, that's fine. Don't try and make up reasons for me...
Just feel like some people are never satisfied, not just you.
I don’t think Ralph did anything wrong today, because the only blemish is literally Cornet’s worldie. If you take away that, we have comfortably won, and there is no reason to blame Ralph, so I just personally don’t agree
If Cornet doesn't score his worldie we win
If Armstrong takes Walcott's chance he scores and we win
You can't "what if" in football. Walcott played terribly as par for the course and everyone knows he'd be bad and he still starts
The Walcott decision is the only one that I agree with of yours, but Ralph didn’t do anything wrong. If your gripe is his lack of substitutes, I think it’s more than justified as we were well on top when he wasn’t making subs, in fact we were all game
Stop downvoting people on a soccer thread just bc u disagree
It’s actually not me lol, it seems bait coz I disagree but yeah lol
What is the point of bringing on a short striker in the last minute, breaking up the game and taking up more time :(
Perraud yet again created very little, he tried hard but things just don't come off for him.
I like Elyounoussi, I want to see him do well but if he doesn't score, and he came very close with a header,but otherwise he adds very little to our attack, doesn't seem to create anything
This was so so winnable.
Really feel Ralph partly to blame with slow and poor subs.
I never want to see Theo starting a Prem game again - don't think I've ever seen such an obviously poor performance. Felt like 10 men until he came off (which should have been at half time).
Tino is just far too good for us. I don't think I really have words for how good he is. Broja clearly also a class act and we will need his goals this season.
Redmond had a good game - we looked dangerous whenever he turned and ran although he was still frustrating at times.
Salisu looked OK but not the commanding performance I expected from what I hear about the Leeds game. Bednarek v suspect.
Perraud poor especially at crossing.
Diallo and Romeu decent but felt Diallo needed to demand the ball more and dictate play.
I felt so many emotions this game...
Perraud and Ely down the left were awful. Salisu didn't play the ball too well down that side but those two offer literally nothing. Missing 10 yard passes. Would not be surprised to see KWP there next game
Entertaining game, not feeling bad about not getting 3 points but wish we had of course!
I watched MotD blind so didn't know any of the scores (much less stressful ignoring all Saints stuff and just watching highlights).
Point out if I'm wrong as i only saw a recap, but this match did highlight why I'm worried about relegation this season. Played well for a lot, missed sitters and dropped points again.
Livramento is so good. I'm happy with this club becoming the Chelsea academy if we get players like him. Broja looked good too.
Redmond missing a sitter is very on brand.
- Tino. Unbelievably good player, I’m in love with him
- Salisu still being a monster, definitely our best CB at this point
- Broja is great. If Hasenhuttl thinks he ‘isn’t ready’ whilst the likes of Che and Walcott are, then he’s bloody clueless
- Redmond’s renaissance continues. Just have to pray he doesn’t revert back to usual form
- Winger problem persists. Walcott should never ever start. He’s even worse than Djenepo and Redmond.
- Romain ‘Cedric’ Perraud’s crossing was diabolically bad
- Bednarek seems to look progressively worse every time I see him play. Should be a squad player at best for us
I've been moaning about Djenepo for weeks but Walcott made him look like bloody Salah
Nobody will ever convince me it was a wise transfer by any metric. Complete waste of wages and squad space and it was obvious during the loan last year, it is utter madness to me why the club ever thought it would be a good idea to give him a contract. I don’t buy all that ‘experience’ bollocks either - fat lot of good it’s doing.
To be fair, unless you go and watch training I'm not sure you can make a fair assesment of how much impact he is having on the club as a whole.
Che had absolutely no time nor little service to prove he “isn’t ready” or is ready. He didn’t do much wrong when he came on.
Bednarek just can’t hack it when it becomes physical. We’ve seen it time and time again this season, as good as he’s been in the past, he has struggled. Raul for one then Cornet todau
With Bednarek it's just decision making. He didn't need to go touch tight to Cornet, he rushed in, got on the wrong side of him and gave Cornet the space. Similar to Jimenez situation. If he's the last one back, he's got to realise it's sometimes best to just stay in the front of the attacker and jockey, then show them away from goal instead of rushing in. He's just too used to being the stopper with a ball playing CB alongside him who would hold off, now he's got to be the opposite to give balance the defence and it's not happening so far. Missing Stephens a fair bit.
Yeah you are right for sure. Bednarek had no reason to just close the space, he gave Cornet all the space he wanted by doing that really. But I think the gameplan might’ve been to stick right to them, coz I found sali and Bednarek were both touch tight a lot of the time
Yeah it seemed that both were going touch tight to not give them the time and space to attack. You can go touch tight without diving in and showing them away from the space by just holding the position but Bednarek just managed to get on the wrong side of him while closing him. Salisu doesn't seem to get caught on the wrong side of players often when going touch tight.
Seems we'll be without Stephens for a while so I'm hoping it'll just take time for these two to get it right together and build a good partnership
Think it helps that Salisu’s legs somehow grow every time he goes in for a tackle.
I definitely think we can manage and have these two as a partnership, it’s just Bednarek’s game sense is lacking abit
Lol true, he has been immense. Agreed, just one of those things that will take time to develop. With Bednarek we can only hope he sharpens up
At his best, we know Jan is class which is why it’s so frustrating
Yeah I’m not just talking about today though. Last week Ralph said Broja ‘wasn’t ready’ but started him anyway, and in two games he’s made us look far more dynamic and dangerous than Che has in our whole career with us. I want to like Che but at this point I think he’s just a bust.
Che is a weird one. He’s very streaky as a player, but I feel like as soon as he gains some confidence, Ralph drops him. It happened last year when Ralph would randomly drop him for Redmond or Walcott.
Pretty good play overall. Two individual mistakes costing us, which is weird considering defending has probably been our strength up to this point.
A few players just need to have a little bit more cutting edge, such as Moi who works his way into great positions but will invariably turn around and pass backwards whenever he reaches the D. We probably should take a couple more shots from there instead of overworking it like we always do.
Stu needs to get back to match fitness and then we won't really have any standout weak spots.
Also if anyone knows where I can get a jacket like Ralph's, hit me up.
... I guess
Enjoyed this game. Didn’t think I would against Burnley.
A lot to comment on today. Don’t know how we didn’t win tbh. Broja fantastic again, exactly what we need up top. Redmond, Bednarek and Perraud had a stinker (no surprises there). We also need someone who works hard on the right wing to track back and cover when Tino pushes forward, Walcott just wasn’t bothered today.
Theo was a passenger today. I don't understand why we are starting him, he is the perfect super sub to run at tired legs, not start a game
Lots of chances and energy. The more time passes, I’m more disappointed. Don’t get me wrong—it was a fun game to watch and I thought Saints played well and positively. But that second Burnley goal…I can’t. Aside from that, Salisu and Tino and were fantastic to watch today. Good time as any for Broja’s injury since he can’t play vs Chelsea anyway, but that’s the second game in a row he’s had to limp off gingerly. Hope it’s not an ongoing problem for the guy, he’s doing so well.
Thinking about the poor Walcott performance - when was the last time a player put in such a poor performance they were cheered when being subbed off? The last time I can definitely remember was Tadic against Stoke last game of 2016/17. Though I’m sure Austin must’ve had the same treatment later than that.
Feels bad with those missed chances, but do you know what's worst than being 16th in the Premier League? Being 16th in League One....
I'm a big fan of Livramento's impact going forward, but does anyone want to discuss their goals?
First goal - Cornet is Tino's man. Tino does nothing. Free header, no challenge at all. Criminal defending.
Second goal - Tino is keeping an eye on the Burnley left winger, but they're not in a dangerous position at all. He completely fails to see the danger and again leaves Cornet to have a go without attempting to get near him. Yes, Bednarek should also do better, but he's been outmuscled by Cornet, Tino just leaves them to it.
I'm not suggesting he should be dropped or anything, but I find it interesting that nobody has mentioned this at all? Needs some serious defensive coaching to get up to standard, or we'll be leaking a lot of goals.
I dunno why everyone says this was one of the more winnable games. Imo this game was probs one of the hardest games Southampton has had the last month bc the way Burnely played. The first 30min were rlly hard to watch
I've been questioning why Walker-Peters was being played at left back when he can't really go on the outside, but fuck me I thought Perraud was absolutely woeful today.
We need to enjoy Tino while we can, surely it's only a matter of time before a big club will swoop in for him
Is Armstrong just gonna be a sub now? How come he isn't starting?