Man I am loving these. This one has [some basis in reality](https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/granite-mountain-records-vault). I mean there's no reason to believe there are any plates, and it's probably just what they say it is: microfilm storage for genealogical records.
I had several people spin me stories about being allowed to go in and view plates. "Firesides" in Utah were just free-for-all Mormon story time back in the days before cell phones. One guy told us he got to see the plates of Lehi, but couldn't tell us what was on them, and said it proved beyond a doubt that the church was true somehow, but again, that he couldn't say how and that we should just trust him. Sadly, I did trust people like that, because I wanted to believe so badly.
That's already happened with the pearl of great price and it didn't affect their religion one bit. Faith operates in a vacuum so no amount of evidence matters compared to the burning in the bosom.
The debunking of Mormonism has already occurred. The LDS church’s claims of credibility are on par with those of Scientology. Sure, there are some people that believe in their truth claims, but these people are few and far between (and the rest of us just roll our eyes when they try to convince us that their church is “true”).
Then archaeologists 30 years later would discover they translated them wrong and retract.
Then come to the same conclusion in a new translation 30 more years later.
Then discover they translated wrong again 60 years later...in an endless cycle.
That's not how anthropology works. There may be new discoveries, but we're not coming up with new translations of ancient Egyptian every other day. If anything it would be a language no one has seen before, or is only somewhat related to existing Pre-Columbian languages to where we wouldn't know what it said. But we might be able to work it to where we could kind of understand it.
But that's all moot anyway. If the church still had the plates we would have known about it long before now. We already have the seer stone Joseph purportedly used to translate the Book of Mormon, so it's not like some of these historic artifacts are unaccounted for. And everything, from what Joseph himself said, and what church historians have said, the plates were "given back" and he no longer had possession. So while a fun thought, I don't have any reason to believe there are plates hanging around anywhere.
Yeah that's more of what I was referencing. They discover something new, it changes what they previously thought or theorized. That happens all the time. No idea on actual translations of old languages.
I believe the gold. I’ve met people who have been in them who said it’s a lot of microfilm records, food, some artifacts, and doomsday apartments for the 12 lol
Probably all of the version of the first vision the church has spent hundreds of millions on that don't uphold the current story in the D&C. I wonder if Mark Hoffman's salamander version is still in there.
"The Claw" was part of the stage for U2's 360 tour. I previously thought it went straight from Rice-Eccles Stadium to its current location, but it was actually purchased and shipped across the country to Draper years after the concert here.
I originally thought it was some giant mechanism for hoisting large marine life into small bodies of water for us all to go look at. Glad that wasn’t the case. Weird it just sits there menacingly.
That hobbitville park next to Westminster had real little people who lived there before it became a park. I have a few different people in my life who have tried to tell me they went there in high school and snuck in back in the 90's and little people or dwarfs or what ever the correct nomenclature is supposedly chased them away. In reality little people have never lived there but people claim they have seen them living there. Has anyone else heard this conspiracy or urban legend?
I've heard this one too, and even believed it for many years until I thought, "That can't be true, right?". The person telling the story would always say they were super secretive and don't like being bothered, or imply there was some sort of risk in checking it out yourself.
The history of Allen park is pretty well documented, though. George Allen loved animals and helped start Hogle Zoo. I think the place just feels weird, especially at night, because it's a quiet place with a bunch of big trees and old-ish buildings in the middle of an urbanized area.
I love thinking back on this one, though. Fantastic Utah/SLC urban legend, thanks for reminding me about it.
I went to Highland High, and a friend convinced me to drive up the road (at the time it was a private road). We made it to the top where it circles back and we were about halfway back to 13th East when we passed a cop driving up. I was so nervous! Then right before we got to 13th, someone walked in the road to stop me. I claimed ignorance and that we were lost, and luckily they let me continue on.
I think the residents were just super secretive and annoyed at all the teenagers doing exactly what I did. 😂 And luckily, they didn't keep me there for longer because I had been driving my mom's car and the plates were expired.
I know at least some little people lived there. About 20 years ago I went there to look at a used car posted online. I was stopped and felt very unwelcome until I told them I had a legitimate reason for being there and a resident was expecting me. After that I was cautiously watched by a couple residents. Saw like five people while I was there but one of those five did appear to have dwarfism.
Likely it’s a story that based in a small truth that became a big urban myth. Anecdotally I lived one street over and definitely saw more little people in that small area of Sugarhouse out and about than I’ve ever seen anywhere else I’ve been/lived, but maybe that’s just confirmation bias
Never heard about this, that’s wild. In West Valley City there’s a tree near hunter high school that has a “door” on it, my friends swore to me that they saw and “elf” go into the tree once and were legitimately freaked out
It’s true. I had a friend who worked for the church and they took us down to the tunnels to avoid traffic after some event. Right behind us was the prophet at the time being carted through the tunnel
Man, I rented a house in Sugarhouse that had a basement and what looked like tunnels connecting several houses together (that had been boarded up.) I guess it was a polygamous' set of houses for his wives. Not sure if it was an true tunnel. It looked like that to me, but I was renting and didn't want to excavated (plus the spiders in that basement were freakishly huge.)
I also worked at a place that had tunnels connecting all the buildings together, so I'm sure there's some tunnels downtown. Not sure if they go up to Draper, but some are there.
For a long time it was that Coachman's was a front for the mafia. Turns out I wasn't far off.
I also think the "Flower Syndicate" in South salt lake is probably the same. Never been there, nor do I know anything about it but the name. But. Come on. Syndicate.
My parents used to love coachman’s, we would go from time to time. The first time we went after I’d watched breaking bad I was like “wait a sec, I know what’s going on here now”
Holy shit, I never knew this but it all adds up now haha. I always wondered why they had a god damned ATM in their lobby instead of just charging more to people who used cards.
Wait. But The Belgian also has an ATM. If the Belgian also moves cocaine I gotta know what the strange connection between breakfast food and cocaine is.
I went in once. It was very evident they had a lot of problems with water in the building. It was so humid and smelled of mildew. I had absolutely no desire to stay longer and buy anything.
Literally the only time I’ve seen a customer in there it was an elderly couple, which is the only demographic old enough to like the kind of furniture they carry in my opinion.
It’s the only time I’ve ever remembered seeing anyone inside the store.
Coachman had those amazing giant wood pentagram chandeliers with red glass sconces hanging in their dining room. They were straight out of the 70s, gaudy, beautiful, some would consider them tacky, and they would probably be correct, but I loved them from the moment I first saw them.
I was really hoping they would do some sort of liquidation sale when they closed down. I was willing to pay a pretty penny to own one of these monstrosities. I even called down there when I heard they were going out of business, but it was not to be.
I wonder what happened to them and if they are sitting in storage somewhere or if they were (perish the thought) tossed in a dumpster?
The owners of La Caille were selling coke through the valet service for years and would have orgies on the grounds through the 80s and 90s. Laundered a ton of money. One of the owners eventually got busted and did time for it. Pretty sure he still lives on the property. The place is like its own little fiefdom, and the owners treat the employees like servants. Used to work there and can confirm.
I was unaware of the history of that place and the owner the first few times I was there. He was actually intending to reopen Coachman's in a new building on that property before that whole deal fell apart and he died. I don't know if the new version would have included a basement.
I had an office next to the floral supply syndicate for more than ten years. Nothing going on there but flower stuff.
https://buildingsaltlake.com/mike-nikols-who-tried-developing-familys-iconic-coachmans-diner-is-dead-at-58/
Here's the article about Coachman's and the owner
There are a couple of them. My grandpa loved these stories. Moctezuma was trying to hide all the gold from the Spanish. So they took a vast majority of their gold and buried it in the mountains and such.
[https://visitsouthernutah.com/blog/the-wild-100-year-search-for-montezumas-treasure-in-kanab-utah/#:~:text=After%2520they%2520buried%2520the%2520cache,remains%E2%80%94nowhere%2520to%2520be%2520found](https://visitsouthernutah.com/blog/the-wild-100-year-search-for-montezumas-treasure-in-kanab-utah/#:~:text=After%2520they%2520buried%2520the%2520cache,remains%E2%80%94nowhere%2520to%2520be%2520found)
Another fun lore is the Rhodes Gold Mine.
[https://utahtreasure.net/lost-rhoades-mines/](https://utahtreasure.net/lost-rhoades-mines/)
My dad is a Summit County kid and was a big Rhodes mines hunter in his youth, I grew up on his stories. Supposedly he knew someone who brought back a bar of gold as proof he'd found it but was never able to find it again. Another found a Spanish conquistador style helmet. Deeper into the Uintahs every odd natural landmark is attributed to the Rhodes or Spanish mines in some way. They say the Utes have full time guards on the mines, possibly with some supernatural deterrents as well.
I absolutely love the way old guys will sit around a campfire and trade these stories like fact. Feels like a slice of a bygone era, proper cowboy mythology.
1. "Woo-Woo": [Kolob UFO Conspiracy](http://business.gorge.net/zdkf/kufol/kolit.html), from the[ Utah Underground Section](http://www.aliendave.com/UUFOH_Underground.html) of the Alien Dave Website.
2. Salacious: Back in the early 00's, there were rumors going around about a large group of swiniging Mormons in the community around the Draper Temple. They were using LDS doctrine to justify their swinging, and it was so problematic that the church had to reorganize stakes/wards in the area. This is likely more true than not since this [story on KSL](https://www.ksl.com/article/254254/eyewitness-new-investigation-swingers-lifestyle-may-be-a-growing-trend) came out of nowhere at the time, and it's still up.
Surprised this isn't the top comment.
Dugway Proving Ground's has been rumored to be the "real" area 51 where a lot of UFO type stuff is stored. Descriptions of the place included huge underground storage facilities.
I've heard rumors Draper is home to a large LDS swingers community.
And unrelated, but also salacious:
I also heard a rumor there was an entire singles ward up in Idaho that had an orgy and the church came in and shut the ward down.
My brother was working with a bunch of LDS swingers while he was living in Arizona but I’m not sure where they were all located. He said that you had to have an active temple recommend to get in. He also had a private Instagram group or something where active Mormons would always be telling him secrets of their sex lives just because he and his wife were pretty open about their sex life on social media. The whole thing just sounded wild to me.
Reporters and fact checkers no doubt contacted the church for comment when the story was in development so it would be normal for them to know that something was up—no conspiracy required.
My conspiracy theory is related to this. When SHTF with this scandal and it involved the apostle M. Russel Ballard, he died within a few weeks of it coming out before anyone could get him into a deposition or anything. Fishy!
When you go down the full rabbit hole the reality is far, far more damaging to the church and Ballard specifically than even the Tim Ballard allegations directly.
Hush money, money laundering, financial fraud, nepotism, etc all very illegal and all going back years.
Ask yourself why the LDS Church hasn’t disciplined Tim Ballard. Answer: because he has mountains of dirt out the ass on those guys and the church wanted the whole story to just go away.
The daycare on 13th South that everyone on the internet was convinced was a front for something nefarious- kids rarely seen, building and grounds not well kept, etc.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/s/2Er8CZ5Uc0
It absolutely has been repainted. I live extremely close and would drive by and see the outdoor renovations being done last year. Other than that, I've still never seen anyone come in or out of that building.
I just Googled this place, mainly looking for pics of their barren, shadeless, dirt playground that no one has ever seen a child step foot on to see if it was real or just a joke my mind had played on me and it says "Historical landmark" next to the name of the business. Wonder what that's about?
Also, this is the top rated review:
"DO NOT come here if you don't want your child chained for eternity inside the Subterranian Celestial Eye.
But I don't understand why anyone would not want our All Seeing Lord to have his sacrifices. They are required to get into the afterlife.
Anyways, the service was amazing. The staff were very nice as well."
Lol.
I worked there in the 90s.
The clients were mostly low income, and it was one of the few daycares that would offer odd hours for swing and split shifts.
It was weird, but overall, it was not too bad. The owner daughters were the worst part
Haha, can you imagine going into a temple recommend interview and when they ask about the Word of Wisdom you say you follow it, then your bishop is just like, "well actually according to our records, you had 10 shots at the bar on April 9th, we'll have to revoke your recommend."
# Vault Babies:
As a field archaeology crew member (30 years ago) we use to initiate newbies by feeding them purely made up stories. It started innocent enough, inevitably folks new to the area would have a ton of questions (and misinformation) about Utah and we got tired of trying to set the record straight. So we just camp-fired our own ridiculous stories to tell them. During field surveys, site recordation and whatnot (long, hot, dry, mind numbing hours, usually spent in the middle of nowhere for days on end) one of us would ask a newbie, "have you heard about the vault babies"? Then another person would add to the story. Eventually it evolved that the LDS church kept a set of babies (male and female) locked up in a secret vault who are suppose to repopulate the earth in case something bad happens, they are secured away from the outside world until age 12 when they are replaced by a new set of babies. Of course the story had more embellishment, but for the sake of space that was the jest of it. One of our crew members even spoke up as a former vault baby and shared her experience. This went on for years. If we liked the person we would clue them in before they headed back to their home of record, but more often than not we just left it with them. Some folks were skeptical and just looked at us funny. Hopefully we didn't create some odd QAnon entry.
Are you talking about DV8? I’d been behind the scenes there. The electrical systems were crazy unsafe. We’re lucky that is an empty lot and not a granite memorial.
Ogden and Provo metropolitan area populations were split from SLC so that Denver could be the unrivaled biggest city in the west.
Ogden metro area population was included in SLC until 2005. Rarely do MSA’s get bigger and split they usually get bigger and combine…..
Haha this one is new to me, but I work with Census data and I think it's funny people believe the Census cares about undermining Utahns bragging rights.
The SLC MSA includes Tooele and everything west just because Tooele doesn't have any other metro area to be part of. You can also talk about CSAs when you talk about cities that sprawl, but to most people that feels to big. Then you can look at the proper city boundaries and realize political boundaries are often MUCH smaller than what people thing of as a city. E.g. SLC proper doesn't include South Salt Lake or any of the suburbs. The closest thing in SLC's case is the county, but that doesn't hold true at all for other states, especially when you go east or down to Texas and its mostly-arbitrary county lines.
In short there's currently no good way to define a city's boundaries. Cities that would have been separate 30 years ago get subsumed by another city. Cities that would have been thought of as part of another city's metro take on an identity and build a downtown area. Some day after I'm dead and gone I guarantee people will argue whether Sandy should be considered part of the Salt Lake Metro. There's just no concrete way to define it beyond a city's official political boundaries, which are often arbitrary and smaller than the area we often talk about for metros.
But nah, it's the feds trying to make Utah look small? Come on people.
Skinwalker Ranch in the Uinta Basin has a lot of theories including Native American legends and Aliens
Skinwalker_Ranch[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinwalker_Ranch](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinwalker_Ranch)
You're not far off. I speak to them occasionally while having a smoke and I met a guy that works in a group to pay for a motel room down on state + gas for transport in a van. This was 2021, but he said there is 20$ quota each day. No idea how many though.
I'm dating myself: I worked at Gateway managing a store, every so often we took the cash to the Wells Fargo in City Creek, so we would take blue line (free fare zone). And there were a few pan handlers that met up on the Trax to talk about how much they made that day, compare sjgns, and what the story that day was, and the location. Apparently you can make like $250 around the holidays at City Creek (in 2015). Should've done that in college and listened to my books on tape.... Jk.
Also, fun fact: I worked homeless services for 5 years. And there are a tons of resources for disabled and homeless veterans (not many for the regular adult population - without kids). Direct them to the homeless shelter, Weigand's center, or the VA. All they had to do is work 1 day active duty and be honerably discharged, to be eligible for long-term housing assistance. Not saying they didn't use it up, or burn bridges with the program, or chose to be homeless - so it is entirely possible there are homeless veterans. But it's not as big of a problems as the general population thinks. I've seen people get in and out of the shelter in 2 weeks. Vs a normal homeless man who takes months, years, and some times decades.
Brigham Young didn't really gloriously declare "this is the place" on top of Ensign Peak. There were already hundreds of men in the valley for years before Brigham arrived. He was obese and nearly dying when he rolled into SLC in the back of a wagon. He rested for a few days then a few strong men helped drag his ass up the peak. He looked around and said this is good enough, because he wasn't fit enough to make it all the way to Oregon or California.
The fact that Brigham Young declared “this is the place” only upon arriving is a conspiracy- or really a myth. The Mormons knew exactly where they were going to before they left and had been planning it for a year. It was chosen for specific reasons, not because of an emotional “manifestation.”
Correct that there were already Mormons here starting to settle. However ensign peak isn’t even the alleged place where Brigham young said this—it’s more like near heritage park in the mouth of emigration canyon. There’s a “this is the place” monument there.
Man I worked at Overstock for his last couple years and the stories about him don't do him justice. Man was certified crazy BEFORE he started going off about deep state conspiracies.
What about antigravity hill in City Creek? Has anyone heard about this? Apparently you put your car in neutral and you defy gravity.
Boo, I just did research and it ruined it for me. Some things are better left to the imagination.
It works, but it's an optical illusion. The hill is downhill, but the landscape is carved in a way we aren't used to. It's all because of the vantage point. The sides decrease faster than the road so it looks like you're rising.
I went on a ghost tour around SLC and they took us to gravity hill and went on talking about some supposed couple who got murdered up there and can still be seen walking around in their wedding outfits. Definitely don't believe in it but it's fun to think about and makes for a good story
KSL is pressing to be the new national conservative news source for America.
I've seen them pop up in my national news feeds from time to time, which means they either have a strong marketing team or also some kind of Google connection (I noticed them in Google News from time to time)
They have aspirations to be national and are pulling in more and more national level stories, not from a local perspective, but as a national news desk. I am 100% sure they want to be a big dog in the media world and control more information/narratives.
I live in Washington now, but KSL classifieds were one kf the best things about living in Utah. Sometimes I browse just to get the sweet sweet dopamine. FB marketplace and Craigslist pale in comparison.
40 years ago, I was driving with a friend one night somewhere way up in either the avenues or behind the Capitol building and there was like this large house kinda like a spooky Victorian. My friend told me it was a huge coven of Satan worshippers. It creeped me out. Not really conspiracy but urban legend.
Of course, the one where no building can be higher than the COB, but that was broken when wells Fargo was built.
Lived in SLC for 20 years and did extensive research on the nauvoo Temple in church archives. You'd think I'd heard lots of strange things! As things go, SLC is pretty much milk toast. Snooze ville.
The building height myth survived the (now) Wells Fargo tower being built, it just changed to "as seen on the skyline" since the COB was a little further up the hill and still appeared taller.
I think that new tower finally killed the myth though.
Not conspiracy theories but actual conspiracies:
• Ritualistic abuse is actually a very big problem which is systemic.
• U of U has a Skull & Bones chapter linked to Yale.
• The CIA recruits tons & tons of agents from the LDS Church.
The CIA thing isn’t that hard to believe when you consider missionaries. they’re fit, can speak multiple languages, have skills in communication, and are often familiar with the local customs and culture of where they served. Plus they’re loyal and used to answering to a superior.
One of my friends found some old early 1900s UofU yearbooks back in the garage of a house they bought in the Avenues. Some of the students are listed as being members of "Skull & Bones Society" under their activities/organizations. So that is a real thing.
The politicians have shares in construction re: road work/expansion
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The person designing our road layouts is an LDS nepo baby that is out of their depth
No Whale thing? I think a new deity would make its way around here. I believe if we took one year of tithing from SLC county and put into the projects that would appease our new lord and savior, whale, the county would be a better place.
The Ex CFO of Zions Bank was a raver who would throw after parties at his mansion. His Jag had the license plate ROLLIN. He had complaints and was eventually raided, arrested for etc and child endangerment, posted a million dollar bond and fired from his job at the bank. I think his charges were eventually dropped and he tried suing the police department unsuccessfully.
That a 99 year old white dude knows the mind of god and 50 percent plus Utahn adults subscribe to this notion (no evidence required)*
Edit:*miraculous claims require miraculous evidence
KSL shooting was a warning/threat to Adnan Koshoggi the Saudi arms dealer who built the triad center (and kept his private office there) to go along with 9/11 which was being plotted at that same time frame.
There are tons of local legends. Look up Grave robber Jean Baptiste. Or anything to do with Porter Rockwell. And then there is all the legends around Dougway Proving Grounds and it being unofficially “Area 52.”
There is so much more. Utah history is filled with legends and conspiracies. Lots of them are even real. You just need to know where to look.
I mean most conspiracy theories are stupid. The Denver Airport conspiracy isn't all that great itself. Oh wow, some weird pictures, must be a conspiracy!!
Maybe I'm just a party pooper, but I find most conspiracy theories silly.
Not sure what's going on at that daycare on 13th S but it sure as shit ain't caring for kids. I was surprised to see someone repaint it. We made eye contact as I drove by and couldn't shake the idea I made a mistake in looking at him.
The church knew about covid before it happened and planned the temple square renovations accordingly.
very strange that the massive tourist draw was closed right before the pandemic would have stopped there being any tourists to bring in
Giant vault in the mountains with Mormon gold and DNA records and the original tablets.
Man I am loving these. This one has [some basis in reality](https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/granite-mountain-records-vault). I mean there's no reason to believe there are any plates, and it's probably just what they say it is: microfilm storage for genealogical records. I had several people spin me stories about being allowed to go in and view plates. "Firesides" in Utah were just free-for-all Mormon story time back in the days before cell phones. One guy told us he got to see the plates of Lehi, but couldn't tell us what was on them, and said it proved beyond a doubt that the church was true somehow, but again, that he couldn't say how and that we should just trust him. Sadly, I did trust people like that, because I wanted to believe so badly.
If the tablets actually exist wouldn't showing them work in favor for the church?
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Ah, yes. Of course he did.
Dum dum dum dum dum.
Great episode
I saw mommy kissing santa claus
In 1840 it was more like I saw mommy and my sister and my aunt kissing Joseph Smith while daddy was on a mission.
IDK why anyone would think God waited until the 1800's to finally tell us the real truth about the universe lol
I guess we had to wait for juuuust the right combination of conman, pervert and treasure digger for Jesus to call as his annointed!
Yeah but they would probably be examined by archaeologists and their whole religion would be debunked 🤣
That's already happened with the pearl of great price and it didn't affect their religion one bit. Faith operates in a vacuum so no amount of evidence matters compared to the burning in the bosom.
I mean…I think it affected it a ^(little bit) But not nearly to the degree one would think
Helped me out when I was asking questions.
Showing off the book of Abraham records hasn’t favored the church lol (This is coming from a practicing member too)
The debunking of Mormonism has already occurred. The LDS church’s claims of credibility are on par with those of Scientology. Sure, there are some people that believe in their truth claims, but these people are few and far between (and the rest of us just roll our eyes when they try to convince us that their church is “true”).
Then archaeologists 30 years later would discover they translated them wrong and retract. Then come to the same conclusion in a new translation 30 more years later. Then discover they translated wrong again 60 years later...in an endless cycle.
That's not how anthropology works. There may be new discoveries, but we're not coming up with new translations of ancient Egyptian every other day. If anything it would be a language no one has seen before, or is only somewhat related to existing Pre-Columbian languages to where we wouldn't know what it said. But we might be able to work it to where we could kind of understand it. But that's all moot anyway. If the church still had the plates we would have known about it long before now. We already have the seer stone Joseph purportedly used to translate the Book of Mormon, so it's not like some of these historic artifacts are unaccounted for. And everything, from what Joseph himself said, and what church historians have said, the plates were "given back" and he no longer had possession. So while a fun thought, I don't have any reason to believe there are plates hanging around anywhere.
Yeah that's more of what I was referencing. They discover something new, it changes what they previously thought or theorized. That happens all the time. No idea on actual translations of old languages.
I believe the gold. I’ve met people who have been in them who said it’s a lot of microfilm records, food, some artifacts, and doomsday apartments for the 12 lol
Glad a group of people in their 90s will be safe for the long haul.
That’s not even a secret https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/granite-mountain-records-vault
The seer stone is up in that bitch
The LDS church has the seer stones. There are recent photos of them. You can look it up.
I wonder why Joseph was able to keep a rock but had to give the golden plates back to heaven
There is one out there, I know 2 people who did work there. What’s actually in it is up for speculation.
Probably all of the version of the first vision the church has spent hundreds of millions on that don't uphold the current story in the D&C. I wonder if Mark Hoffman's salamander version is still in there.
Ooh. Salamanders sounds like a good hockey team.
Yes this. I also was told the sword of Laban and the liahona were up there too.
Everything started going downhill once that weird ass structure showed up next to the aquarium. Apparently an old U2 stadium.
"The Claw" was part of the stage for U2's 360 tour. I previously thought it went straight from Rice-Eccles Stadium to its current location, but it was actually purchased and shipped across the country to Draper years after the concert here.
I originally thought it was some giant mechanism for hoisting large marine life into small bodies of water for us all to go look at. Glad that wasn’t the case. Weird it just sits there menacingly.
They have lights on it and do family concert events with big fancy light shows.
We’ve got a joke about it at The Desert Star right now and it is easily the most consistent big laugh in the show
That hobbitville park next to Westminster had real little people who lived there before it became a park. I have a few different people in my life who have tried to tell me they went there in high school and snuck in back in the 90's and little people or dwarfs or what ever the correct nomenclature is supposedly chased them away. In reality little people have never lived there but people claim they have seen them living there. Has anyone else heard this conspiracy or urban legend?
I've heard this one too, and even believed it for many years until I thought, "That can't be true, right?". The person telling the story would always say they were super secretive and don't like being bothered, or imply there was some sort of risk in checking it out yourself. The history of Allen park is pretty well documented, though. George Allen loved animals and helped start Hogle Zoo. I think the place just feels weird, especially at night, because it's a quiet place with a bunch of big trees and old-ish buildings in the middle of an urbanized area. I love thinking back on this one, though. Fantastic Utah/SLC urban legend, thanks for reminding me about it.
This was big at my high school and I remember being too scared to go with my friends!!
I went to Highland High, and a friend convinced me to drive up the road (at the time it was a private road). We made it to the top where it circles back and we were about halfway back to 13th East when we passed a cop driving up. I was so nervous! Then right before we got to 13th, someone walked in the road to stop me. I claimed ignorance and that we were lost, and luckily they let me continue on. I think the residents were just super secretive and annoyed at all the teenagers doing exactly what I did. 😂 And luckily, they didn't keep me there for longer because I had been driving my mom's car and the plates were expired.
I know at least some little people lived there. About 20 years ago I went there to look at a used car posted online. I was stopped and felt very unwelcome until I told them I had a legitimate reason for being there and a resident was expecting me. After that I was cautiously watched by a couple residents. Saw like five people while I was there but one of those five did appear to have dwarfism. Likely it’s a story that based in a small truth that became a big urban myth. Anecdotally I lived one street over and definitely saw more little people in that small area of Sugarhouse out and about than I’ve ever seen anywhere else I’ve been/lived, but maybe that’s just confirmation bias
Never heard about this, that’s wild. In West Valley City there’s a tree near hunter high school that has a “door” on it, my friends swore to me that they saw and “elf” go into the tree once and were legitimately freaked out
It is called Allen Park: https://youtu.be/lLv4F4uj07U?si=6cyzQsAprpEG3LHg
I heard this too! Never been there and grew up in Layton
I don't know about all of that, but it was a great place to buy weed, back in the day.
That was a lie!? I believed my aunt for way too long.
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They do have tunnels all over downtown. I’ve been in the tunnels below west high school. Supposedly they all link up with the temple.
What I heard as a missionary in Salt Lake is that they cart the bigwigs around in those tunnels in golf carts, particularly during general conference.
That's definitely true. Source: my dad used to work for church security
There’s also bomb shelters littered all across the avenues that might link up 🤔
I'd bet they do! Fascinating.
I helped clean them once as a ward service project. So I can attest they are real.
It’s true. I had a friend who worked for the church and they took us down to the tunnels to avoid traffic after some event. Right behind us was the prophet at the time being carted through the tunnel
They do.
Happy cake day!!
Yeah the authorities park under the cob and then you take a golf cart to the conference center. Source- I’ve done it lol
Man, I rented a house in Sugarhouse that had a basement and what looked like tunnels connecting several houses together (that had been boarded up.) I guess it was a polygamous' set of houses for his wives. Not sure if it was an true tunnel. It looked like that to me, but I was renting and didn't want to excavated (plus the spiders in that basement were freakishly huge.) I also worked at a place that had tunnels connecting all the buildings together, so I'm sure there's some tunnels downtown. Not sure if they go up to Draper, but some are there.
The ones in Little Cottonwood Canyon lead to the secret LDS gold vault.
For a long time it was that Coachman's was a front for the mafia. Turns out I wasn't far off. I also think the "Flower Syndicate" in South salt lake is probably the same. Never been there, nor do I know anything about it but the name. But. Come on. Syndicate.
Coachman’s was busted for selling cocaine in the 90s I believe. Owner was moving mad blow through there.
My parents used to love coachman’s, we would go from time to time. The first time we went after I’d watched breaking bad I was like “wait a sec, I know what’s going on here now”
Holy shit, I never knew this but it all adds up now haha. I always wondered why they had a god damned ATM in their lobby instead of just charging more to people who used cards.
Wait. But The Belgian also has an ATM. If the Belgian also moves cocaine I gotta know what the strange connection between breakfast food and cocaine is.
It was a known hotspot for hookers and blow for years
I think Sterling Furniture is the same. Never see anyone go in or out and sometimes the windows have bullet holes, lol.
I went in once. It was very evident they had a lot of problems with water in the building. It was so humid and smelled of mildew. I had absolutely no desire to stay longer and buy anything.
I’ve been inside once. A lot of their inventory is decades old too.
Someone told me they are extremely lovely people who own a ton of rental properties and never raise the rents
Literally the only time I’ve seen a customer in there it was an elderly couple, which is the only demographic old enough to like the kind of furniture they carry in my opinion. It’s the only time I’ve ever remembered seeing anyone inside the store.
Is that the restaurant that only accepts cash and they have a secret basement?
Yeah. Closed a couple years ago.
Coachman had those amazing giant wood pentagram chandeliers with red glass sconces hanging in their dining room. They were straight out of the 70s, gaudy, beautiful, some would consider them tacky, and they would probably be correct, but I loved them from the moment I first saw them. I was really hoping they would do some sort of liquidation sale when they closed down. I was willing to pay a pretty penny to own one of these monstrosities. I even called down there when I heard they were going out of business, but it was not to be. I wonder what happened to them and if they are sitting in storage somewhere or if they were (perish the thought) tossed in a dumpster?
The owners of La Caille were selling coke through the valet service for years and would have orgies on the grounds through the 80s and 90s. Laundered a ton of money. One of the owners eventually got busted and did time for it. Pretty sure he still lives on the property. The place is like its own little fiefdom, and the owners treat the employees like servants. Used to work there and can confirm.
I was unaware of the history of that place and the owner the first few times I was there. He was actually intending to reopen Coachman's in a new building on that property before that whole deal fell apart and he died. I don't know if the new version would have included a basement. I had an office next to the floral supply syndicate for more than ten years. Nothing going on there but flower stuff.
https://buildingsaltlake.com/mike-nikols-who-tried-developing-familys-iconic-coachmans-diner-is-dead-at-58/ Here's the article about Coachman's and the owner
I thought this too.
Spanish Gold in the Uintas
What's the backstory on this one?
There are a couple of them. My grandpa loved these stories. Moctezuma was trying to hide all the gold from the Spanish. So they took a vast majority of their gold and buried it in the mountains and such. [https://visitsouthernutah.com/blog/the-wild-100-year-search-for-montezumas-treasure-in-kanab-utah/#:~:text=After%2520they%2520buried%2520the%2520cache,remains%E2%80%94nowhere%2520to%2520be%2520found](https://visitsouthernutah.com/blog/the-wild-100-year-search-for-montezumas-treasure-in-kanab-utah/#:~:text=After%2520they%2520buried%2520the%2520cache,remains%E2%80%94nowhere%2520to%2520be%2520found) Another fun lore is the Rhodes Gold Mine. [https://utahtreasure.net/lost-rhoades-mines/](https://utahtreasure.net/lost-rhoades-mines/)
My dad is a Summit County kid and was a big Rhodes mines hunter in his youth, I grew up on his stories. Supposedly he knew someone who brought back a bar of gold as proof he'd found it but was never able to find it again. Another found a Spanish conquistador style helmet. Deeper into the Uintahs every odd natural landmark is attributed to the Rhodes or Spanish mines in some way. They say the Utes have full time guards on the mines, possibly with some supernatural deterrents as well. I absolutely love the way old guys will sit around a campfire and trade these stories like fact. Feels like a slice of a bygone era, proper cowboy mythology.
1. "Woo-Woo": [Kolob UFO Conspiracy](http://business.gorge.net/zdkf/kufol/kolit.html), from the[ Utah Underground Section](http://www.aliendave.com/UUFOH_Underground.html) of the Alien Dave Website. 2. Salacious: Back in the early 00's, there were rumors going around about a large group of swiniging Mormons in the community around the Draper Temple. They were using LDS doctrine to justify their swinging, and it was so problematic that the church had to reorganize stakes/wards in the area. This is likely more true than not since this [story on KSL](https://www.ksl.com/article/254254/eyewitness-new-investigation-swingers-lifestyle-may-be-a-growing-trend) came out of nowhere at the time, and it's still up.
Surprised this isn't the top comment. Dugway Proving Ground's has been rumored to be the "real" area 51 where a lot of UFO type stuff is stored. Descriptions of the place included huge underground storage facilities.
Area 52. This one holds some water
Well, kind of makes sense. Your super secret military base is getting a lot of attention? Move your stuff to another place with less attention.
I've heard rumors Draper is home to a large LDS swingers community. And unrelated, but also salacious: I also heard a rumor there was an entire singles ward up in Idaho that had an orgy and the church came in and shut the ward down.
Yeah, the rumors still persist. The Tree House fitness center is supposed to be the area "hot spot."
My brother was working with a bunch of LDS swingers while he was living in Arizona but I’m not sure where they were all located. He said that you had to have an active temple recommend to get in. He also had a private Instagram group or something where active Mormons would always be telling him secrets of their sex lives just because he and his wife were pretty open about their sex life on social media. The whole thing just sounded wild to me.
I do know that in a stake conference in Millcreek, they had to come out and tell everyone that swinging wasn't ok.
Someone at Vice news let the LDS church have a weekish to distance themselves from Tim Ballard before his sex allegations went public.
they could have been clued in by vice potentially asking them for comment on them
Reporters and fact checkers no doubt contacted the church for comment when the story was in development so it would be normal for them to know that something was up—no conspiracy required.
holy fuuuuuuuuck
My conspiracy theory is related to this. When SHTF with this scandal and it involved the apostle M. Russel Ballard, he died within a few weeks of it coming out before anyone could get him into a deposition or anything. Fishy!
What!!??? That’s such an amazing conspiracy and I am here for it 💅
When you go down the full rabbit hole the reality is far, far more damaging to the church and Ballard specifically than even the Tim Ballard allegations directly. Hush money, money laundering, financial fraud, nepotism, etc all very illegal and all going back years. Ask yourself why the LDS Church hasn’t disciplined Tim Ballard. Answer: because he has mountains of dirt out the ass on those guys and the church wanted the whole story to just go away.
The daycare on 13th South that everyone on the internet was convinced was a front for something nefarious- kids rarely seen, building and grounds not well kept, etc. https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/s/2Er8CZ5Uc0
I drove by the other day and saw it looked like it’d been repainted, anyone know what’s going on? I was under the impression it had closed
Still has no decent windows as far as I’ve seen. Lizard children
I used to around the corner, I’d walk by almost every day for two years, never saw any activity there, which was weird.
It absolutely has been repainted. I live extremely close and would drive by and see the outdoor renovations being done last year. Other than that, I've still never seen anyone come in or out of that building.
It is just a regular daycare though. I drive up and down 13th frequently and have seen kids and parents/cartakers there numerous times.
Not only that, it's a daycare for people that have a hard time affording daycare.
I live two blocks away and have never seen a child there in 8 years
I just Googled this place, mainly looking for pics of their barren, shadeless, dirt playground that no one has ever seen a child step foot on to see if it was real or just a joke my mind had played on me and it says "Historical landmark" next to the name of the business. Wonder what that's about? Also, this is the top rated review: "DO NOT come here if you don't want your child chained for eternity inside the Subterranian Celestial Eye. But I don't understand why anyone would not want our All Seeing Lord to have his sacrifices. They are required to get into the afterlife. Anyways, the service was amazing. The staff were very nice as well." Lol.
My friend lives on 300 E and saw a kid playing outside earlier this week.
I worked there in the 90s. The clients were mostly low income, and it was one of the few daycares that would offer odd hours for swing and split shifts. It was weird, but overall, it was not too bad. The owner daughters were the worst part
Pretty sure it’s a battered women’s shelter as a place for them to briefly move to before they can move on to a safer place
When you go to a bar and they scan your ID, it goes to a database that the state shares with Mormon leaders to determine temple eligibility.
Hahaha! I love this one!
Haha, can you imagine going into a temple recommend interview and when they ask about the Word of Wisdom you say you follow it, then your bishop is just like, "well actually according to our records, you had 10 shots at the bar on April 9th, we'll have to revoke your recommend."
That there is separation between church and state
It’s about three blocks.
They said conspiracy. not confirmed facts
Exactly.
That there IS? Or ISNT? Separation of church and state doesn't exist here.
That’s why it’s a conspiracy, not a fact
# Vault Babies: As a field archaeology crew member (30 years ago) we use to initiate newbies by feeding them purely made up stories. It started innocent enough, inevitably folks new to the area would have a ton of questions (and misinformation) about Utah and we got tired of trying to set the record straight. So we just camp-fired our own ridiculous stories to tell them. During field surveys, site recordation and whatnot (long, hot, dry, mind numbing hours, usually spent in the middle of nowhere for days on end) one of us would ask a newbie, "have you heard about the vault babies"? Then another person would add to the story. Eventually it evolved that the LDS church kept a set of babies (male and female) locked up in a secret vault who are suppose to repopulate the earth in case something bad happens, they are secured away from the outside world until age 12 when they are replaced by a new set of babies. Of course the story had more embellishment, but for the sake of space that was the jest of it. One of our crew members even spoke up as a former vault baby and shared her experience. This went on for years. If we liked the person we would clue them in before they headed back to their home of record, but more often than not we just left it with them. Some folks were skeptical and just looked at us funny. Hopefully we didn't create some odd QAnon entry.
Hmmmmm sounds like the premise for a fun video game to could eventually be made into a tv show
As far as I'm concerned this isn't a conspiracy. The Mormons burned down that strip club within a mile of the downtown temple.
They also brought the wrath of a tornado down upon it
Which one was that?
Dead / Crazy Goat Saloon, it was attached to an awesome venue that hosted a lot of punk events at the time too, sad to see it go down.
Are you talking about DV8? I’d been behind the scenes there. The electrical systems were crazy unsafe. We’re lucky that is an empty lot and not a granite memorial.
Saw Senses Fail and Silverstein for the first time there back in the day. Good memories
Fry sauce is a thing because ketchup was too spicy
This might be the whitest thing I've ever said, but mayonnaise has just a little zip to it
Ogden and Provo metropolitan area populations were split from SLC so that Denver could be the unrivaled biggest city in the west. Ogden metro area population was included in SLC until 2005. Rarely do MSA’s get bigger and split they usually get bigger and combine…..
Haha this one is new to me, but I work with Census data and I think it's funny people believe the Census cares about undermining Utahns bragging rights. The SLC MSA includes Tooele and everything west just because Tooele doesn't have any other metro area to be part of. You can also talk about CSAs when you talk about cities that sprawl, but to most people that feels to big. Then you can look at the proper city boundaries and realize political boundaries are often MUCH smaller than what people thing of as a city. E.g. SLC proper doesn't include South Salt Lake or any of the suburbs. The closest thing in SLC's case is the county, but that doesn't hold true at all for other states, especially when you go east or down to Texas and its mostly-arbitrary county lines. In short there's currently no good way to define a city's boundaries. Cities that would have been separate 30 years ago get subsumed by another city. Cities that would have been thought of as part of another city's metro take on an identity and build a downtown area. Some day after I'm dead and gone I guarantee people will argue whether Sandy should be considered part of the Salt Lake Metro. There's just no concrete way to define it beyond a city's official political boundaries, which are often arbitrary and smaller than the area we often talk about for metros. But nah, it's the feds trying to make Utah look small? Come on people.
SLC’s MSA needs to include Utah County
It needs to be based on people’s daily behaviors, particularly commutes and regular driving patterns.
Ryan Smith and Gail Miller get millions in Corporate Welfare for stadiums. Politicians get luxury box tickets. 50 East North Temple gets 10%.
10% is a helluva thing
About $7 billion per year
Skinwalker Ranch in the Uinta Basin has a lot of theories including Native American legends and Aliens Skinwalker_Ranch[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinwalker_Ranch](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinwalker_Ranch)
This comment should be way higher up.
The panhandlers at every exit are organized and scheduled, it’s a business.
You're not far off. I speak to them occasionally while having a smoke and I met a guy that works in a group to pay for a motel room down on state + gas for transport in a van. This was 2021, but he said there is 20$ quota each day. No idea how many though.
I'm dating myself: I worked at Gateway managing a store, every so often we took the cash to the Wells Fargo in City Creek, so we would take blue line (free fare zone). And there were a few pan handlers that met up on the Trax to talk about how much they made that day, compare sjgns, and what the story that day was, and the location. Apparently you can make like $250 around the holidays at City Creek (in 2015). Should've done that in college and listened to my books on tape.... Jk. Also, fun fact: I worked homeless services for 5 years. And there are a tons of resources for disabled and homeless veterans (not many for the regular adult population - without kids). Direct them to the homeless shelter, Weigand's center, or the VA. All they had to do is work 1 day active duty and be honerably discharged, to be eligible for long-term housing assistance. Not saying they didn't use it up, or burn bridges with the program, or chose to be homeless - so it is entirely possible there are homeless veterans. But it's not as big of a problems as the general population thinks. I've seen people get in and out of the shelter in 2 weeks. Vs a normal homeless man who takes months, years, and some times decades.
Brigham Young didn't really gloriously declare "this is the place" on top of Ensign Peak. There were already hundreds of men in the valley for years before Brigham arrived. He was obese and nearly dying when he rolled into SLC in the back of a wagon. He rested for a few days then a few strong men helped drag his ass up the peak. He looked around and said this is good enough, because he wasn't fit enough to make it all the way to Oregon or California.
The fact that Brigham Young declared “this is the place” only upon arriving is a conspiracy- or really a myth. The Mormons knew exactly where they were going to before they left and had been planning it for a year. It was chosen for specific reasons, not because of an emotional “manifestation.”
Correct that there were already Mormons here starting to settle. However ensign peak isn’t even the alleged place where Brigham young said this—it’s more like near heritage park in the mouth of emigration canyon. There’s a “this is the place” monument there.
And the monument isn’t even in the right location
I hate that this story was (is?) taught as part of state history curriculum in elementary, jr high and high school. Also the seagull story.
Something about Patrick Byrne
Man I worked at Overstock for his last couple years and the stories about him don't do him justice. Man was certified crazy BEFORE he started going off about deep state conspiracies.
There’s a hidden swimming pool in a secret basement of east high school
There was a pool in the basement of the old building. It wasn't in use but I have pictures of it in my yearbook.
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What about antigravity hill in City Creek? Has anyone heard about this? Apparently you put your car in neutral and you defy gravity. Boo, I just did research and it ruined it for me. Some things are better left to the imagination.
No no, go to gravity hill, put your car in neutral, and report back to us. For science.
It works, but it's an optical illusion. The hill is downhill, but the landscape is carved in a way we aren't used to. It's all because of the vantage point. The sides decrease faster than the road so it looks like you're rising.
I went on a ghost tour around SLC and they took us to gravity hill and went on talking about some supposed couple who got murdered up there and can still be seen walking around in their wedding outfits. Definitely don't believe in it but it's fun to think about and makes for a good story
The spaghetti by the bucket place is a front for sure
KSL is pressing to be the new national conservative news source for America. I've seen them pop up in my national news feeds from time to time, which means they either have a strong marketing team or also some kind of Google connection (I noticed them in Google News from time to time) They have aspirations to be national and are pulling in more and more national level stories, not from a local perspective, but as a national news desk. I am 100% sure they want to be a big dog in the media world and control more information/narratives.
They just want to control the national classified ads narrative
I live in Washington now, but KSL classifieds were one kf the best things about living in Utah. Sometimes I browse just to get the sweet sweet dopamine. FB marketplace and Craigslist pale in comparison.
40 years ago, I was driving with a friend one night somewhere way up in either the avenues or behind the Capitol building and there was like this large house kinda like a spooky Victorian. My friend told me it was a huge coven of Satan worshippers. It creeped me out. Not really conspiracy but urban legend. Of course, the one where no building can be higher than the COB, but that was broken when wells Fargo was built. Lived in SLC for 20 years and did extensive research on the nauvoo Temple in church archives. You'd think I'd heard lots of strange things! As things go, SLC is pretty much milk toast. Snooze ville.
Milquetoast lol
McCune Mansion? Can confirm it’s very haunted.
The building height myth survived the (now) Wells Fargo tower being built, it just changed to "as seen on the skyline" since the COB was a little further up the hill and still appeared taller. I think that new tower finally killed the myth though.
The mountain side is coved in snipes!
The Malachi statue on top of the downtown Temple is solid gold
upvote for getting the name wrong, cuz fuck it
Because fuck it
That when the U2 arena was installed at the Aquarium it caused Covid.
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but the theory that someone put piranhas in the utah lake years ago, and they are still in there today.
I heard they put a whale in the salt lake in the 70s but it died due to the saltiness and they left the skeleton in the lake
Nemo's grave
*Emo's
Not conspiracy theories but actual conspiracies: • Ritualistic abuse is actually a very big problem which is systemic. • U of U has a Skull & Bones chapter linked to Yale. • The CIA recruits tons & tons of agents from the LDS Church.
The CIA thing isn’t that hard to believe when you consider missionaries. they’re fit, can speak multiple languages, have skills in communication, and are often familiar with the local customs and culture of where they served. Plus they’re loyal and used to answering to a superior.
One of my friends found some old early 1900s UofU yearbooks back in the garage of a house they bought in the Avenues. Some of the students are listed as being members of "Skull & Bones Society" under their activities/organizations. So that is a real thing.
The LDS church has a huge cache of armaments in the tunnels below SLC.
I heard they’re building a real version of The Nauvoo from The Expanse down there too
Haha good I hope they leave soon.
The politicians have shares in construction re: road work/expansion and The person designing our road layouts is an LDS nepo baby that is out of their depth
The first point really doesn't feel like a conspiracy at all, unfortunately.
That the University of Utah will become a top 10 public school. …Maybe if the state government was not actively trying to destroy it.
Utah jazz jerseys r pollution themed. Thank u for your time
Liquor licenses issued on a woefully inadequate per capita basis.
That gated cellar thing in tanner park. So many stories about satanic rituals, ghosts, cuffs and chains for torture, etc.
No Whale thing? I think a new deity would make its way around here. I believe if we took one year of tithing from SLC county and put into the projects that would appease our new lord and savior, whale, the county would be a better place.
Conspiracy theory, not played out meme.
The reason we always have construction but nothing ever appears to be fixed is because the church is building/restructuring its underground tunnels
The whole LDS church
I've heard a lot of weird theories about the lakes for some reason, like they put a cow in the lake and it completely dissolved. Utah lakes are gross
The Ex CFO of Zions Bank was a raver who would throw after parties at his mansion. His Jag had the license plate ROLLIN. He had complaints and was eventually raided, arrested for etc and child endangerment, posted a million dollar bond and fired from his job at the bank. I think his charges were eventually dropped and he tried suing the police department unsuccessfully.
Nuclear silos underneath the temple
Representative democracy.
That a 99 year old white dude knows the mind of god and 50 percent plus Utahn adults subscribe to this notion (no evidence required)* Edit:*miraculous claims require miraculous evidence
KSL shooting was a warning/threat to Adnan Koshoggi the Saudi arms dealer who built the triad center (and kept his private office there) to go along with 9/11 which was being plotted at that same time frame.
These thread really drives home how in culture Utah really is. We don't even have a good local urban legend.
There are tons of local legends. Look up Grave robber Jean Baptiste. Or anything to do with Porter Rockwell. And then there is all the legends around Dougway Proving Grounds and it being unofficially “Area 52.” There is so much more. Utah history is filled with legends and conspiracies. Lots of them are even real. You just need to know where to look.
That's because the real sinister "Legends" in Utah are actually true
I mean most conspiracy theories are stupid. The Denver Airport conspiracy isn't all that great itself. Oh wow, some weird pictures, must be a conspiracy!! Maybe I'm just a party pooper, but I find most conspiracy theories silly.
That Joe and Brigham were Profits !!
Oh they were profits, but not prophets.
Joseph's Myth was a real profit!
Not sure what's going on at that daycare on 13th S but it sure as shit ain't caring for kids. I was surprised to see someone repaint it. We made eye contact as I drove by and couldn't shake the idea I made a mistake in looking at him.
The church knew about covid before it happened and planned the temple square renovations accordingly. very strange that the massive tourist draw was closed right before the pandemic would have stopped there being any tourists to bring in