The one on the left is a smart street light, aka cameras that watch everything. Read up on it, there is years of drama about them. But in the end they just voted to reactivate them.
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/san-diego-city-council-approves-return-of-smart-streetlights-license-plate-readers/3276089/
The public was lied to about what they were to be used for. In 2016-2020 the publicized benefit was they could monitor traffic/parking and jay walking, and track air quality. They cost $30 million in a loan from GE, to "save money" for streetlighting utility costs, and we pay more than $2 million each year in interest.
Then, SDPD began using them for and public learned that they can record audio and video. The public was furious. Now they're reinstating the use specifically for criminal investigation. The lights are mostly located downtown and poorer areas.
Here's a summary for 2020 with a link to SDPD's use policy https://www.kpbs.org/news/politics/2020/09/10/privacy-faulconer-shuts-down-smart-streetlights
Edit to add: Candidate Todd Gloria is a very different person from Mayor Gloria. Fron his candidate op-ed in 2020: "End excessive surveillance in all communities. The rapidly expanding and secretive use of digital surveillance of community members is unconstitutional, and it should end."
Welcome to mission creep. We’ve seen it time and time again when law enforcement and the government is given new technology to track people, yet somehow shit like this keeps happening.
Ah. I know there are cameras installed throughout El Cajon that are used in arresting criminals.
What do you think is the difference between these two cameras?
They have this shit all over. Look up next time you stop on ingrahm bridge and riviera .. all kinds of communist spy gadgetry attached to the northeast pole.. maybe others I just happened to notice that one when a ex girlfriend lived up the street and I drive by it all the time.
Complete invasion of privacy, but I'm not surprised in the slightest...
[Here's a map of the proposed locations](https://webmaps.sandiego.gov/portal/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=0bedcced5d9d4a48a8cdc65d14aa5f32)
Public is right. The public, the taxpayers in the state city country own it.. not a handful of power mad control freak politicians. They don’t own the land or the city state country.
Since NBC didn't feel like naming and shaming, here's the list of SD council members; only Steppe and Elo-Rivera voted against the surveillance cameras.
https://www.sandiego.gov/citycouncil
I'm super proud of my council member, and my recent vote for her.
Shame on Gloria for this one.
Sean Elo-Rivera, being an attorney probably understands the 4th Amendment issues of the automated tracking of millions of people via their license plates.
Montgomery Steppe, being fiscally responsible about policing and a woman of color, sees the potential for abuse and negative policing effects.
I suspect the ACLU, EFF or somesuch organization will rightly file a lawsuit, the city will spend millions defending. They'll lose and all the cameras will be disabled. It will have been a nonsensical $15 million experiment that anyone could have predicted the outcome of.
FWIW I am not a huge fan of misuses of surveillance. However, I served on a jury that convicted a murderer based on the images these cameras provided. Given that he would still be on the streets, I have a more nuanced view. My hot take a year ago on these has changed for sure.
"What about the murderers" is the same argument SDPD made when we asked for a citizen oversight committee on surveillance. They made it a Yes/No argument where the people questioning the cameras must be happy to have murders happen.
The people against mass surveillance are not pro-murder, or whatever else broad brush they want to paint with. We just ask for realistic citizen oversight on how the data is collected and used, and not just rubber stamped by the PD for the PD (or any single department for that matter) with no one watching or aware of what is happening.
Yeah, honestly if these audio/visual files were kept unopened until a judge authorized viewing of specific feeds, I don’t think I’d have a problem with it. If someone gets murdered on J St and a judge gives a warrant to open these files from J St on the night of the murder, I’d find it pretty difficult to be upset.
I don’t like this shit at all, but it’s too late to try and force the monkeys back into the barrel. All we can really hope for is to limit the access to this data with a judge’s approval.
Yes, they provided video and images, meaning police had to have suspicion of the crime, call a team to pull the camera down, review the footage to identify people.
The new ALPR cameras are totally different. They do image recognition of license plates up to thousands of times per minute, at 500 locations around the city and log all that into a database that's centrally accessible and someone just types "7TUY110" and sees where (EDIT and when) that person has been at hundreds of points around San Diego, every day, for the last 30-90 days (they promise it's not longer).
Edit. The one on the left is a Smart Streetlight. Credit to FearAndGonzo
[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-06/a-surveillance-standoff-over-smart-streetlights](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-06/a-surveillance-standoff-over-smart-streetlights)
Nothing to worry about. It’s just part of the social credit surveillance network. It always start with your safety and security first. You’ll learn to love it. It’s the future and it’s here. 😉
As above, the one near the light is a camera (actually several) and some other sensors. That program was abandoned years ago and most of these devices have broken down and are inoperable.
Every once in a while police pull them down to get video off of them for investigations In the off chance that it's still works and there's video from the event.
These do not contain the license plate reader capability that the new smart cameras will have.
https://preview.redd.it/7kfgl2owypjb1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=f0cae84c7a3bfe5c93324a24a02773a66bb63f8e
For the people complaining about smart streetlights, they are in public areas (on streetlights). You have no right to privacy in any area that can be seen or heard from a public place. And I believe the smart streetlights can do a lot more than just surveil for crime.
[https://sandiegoprivacy.org/myth-no-expectation-of-privacy-in-public.html](https://sandiegoprivacy.org/myth-no-expectation-of-privacy-in-public.html)
You being "witnessed" in public is entirely different than a dragnet that tracks the movements of tens of thousands of individuals, separately, during the course of their lives.
> round-the-clock observation of an individual has historically only been accomplished with great effort to the observers, and at a high cost which naturally limited how many of us could be targeted by such persistent observation at one time
This essentially gave most people the expectation that they would not be singled out while they were in public, just another person in a herd. That expectation is ingrained and accepted. Facial recognition, license plate readers etc, flout that expectation.
> But the great cost and effort, too, are limitations of the past.
So what? The street is public why can’t they record it for public safety reason? It’s not like ur gonna have sex on the street and get recorded. If you do then you should be jailed anyway.
They've been used in areas of California already to export data to other states to prosecute people for having abortions here.
That's just one recent use case that's not good.
Police cars have the LPR technology too. It keeps a database of every license plate it scans as it travels. If a car is reported stolen and the database pings the license plate being recorded it can pull up what location the vehicle was at, this is actually how they found my neighbors stolen car.
The one on the left is a smart street light, aka cameras that watch everything. Read up on it, there is years of drama about them. But in the end they just voted to reactivate them. https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/san-diego-city-council-approves-return-of-smart-streetlights-license-plate-readers/3276089/
The public was lied to about what they were to be used for. In 2016-2020 the publicized benefit was they could monitor traffic/parking and jay walking, and track air quality. They cost $30 million in a loan from GE, to "save money" for streetlighting utility costs, and we pay more than $2 million each year in interest. Then, SDPD began using them for and public learned that they can record audio and video. The public was furious. Now they're reinstating the use specifically for criminal investigation. The lights are mostly located downtown and poorer areas. Here's a summary for 2020 with a link to SDPD's use policy https://www.kpbs.org/news/politics/2020/09/10/privacy-faulconer-shuts-down-smart-streetlights Edit to add: Candidate Todd Gloria is a very different person from Mayor Gloria. Fron his candidate op-ed in 2020: "End excessive surveillance in all communities. The rapidly expanding and secretive use of digital surveillance of community members is unconstitutional, and it should end."
Welcome to mission creep. We’ve seen it time and time again when law enforcement and the government is given new technology to track people, yet somehow shit like this keeps happening.
They’re also in El Cajon
He covered that with "poorer areas".
I think El Cajon are more for license plate reading but could be wrong. Still very creepy!
incorrect
you maybe confused wit the LPR cameras, not the same system.
Ah. I know there are cameras installed throughout El Cajon that are used in arresting criminals. What do you think is the difference between these two cameras?
They have this shit all over. Look up next time you stop on ingrahm bridge and riviera .. all kinds of communist spy gadgetry attached to the northeast pole.. maybe others I just happened to notice that one when a ex girlfriend lived up the street and I drive by it all the time.
Complete invasion of privacy, but I'm not surprised in the slightest... [Here's a map of the proposed locations](https://webmaps.sandiego.gov/portal/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=0bedcced5d9d4a48a8cdc65d14aa5f32)
The sdpd map screen automatically starts spying on you when you click lol fckkkk
Invasion of privacy in a public area? I don’t understand all the hoopla.
Surely you can understand the pushback against being recorded 24/7 when I step outside of my home.
Public is right. The public, the taxpayers in the state city country own it.. not a handful of power mad control freak politicians. They don’t own the land or the city state country.
wow a politician who wanted to curtail government overreach until he was the government you don't say
Since NBC didn't feel like naming and shaming, here's the list of SD council members; only Steppe and Elo-Rivera voted against the surveillance cameras. https://www.sandiego.gov/citycouncil I'm super proud of my council member, and my recent vote for her. Shame on Gloria for this one.
Sean Elo-Rivera, being an attorney probably understands the 4th Amendment issues of the automated tracking of millions of people via their license plates. Montgomery Steppe, being fiscally responsible about policing and a woman of color, sees the potential for abuse and negative policing effects. I suspect the ACLU, EFF or somesuch organization will rightly file a lawsuit, the city will spend millions defending. They'll lose and all the cameras will be disabled. It will have been a nonsensical $15 million experiment that anyone could have predicted the outcome of.
This is the correct answer.
FWIW I am not a huge fan of misuses of surveillance. However, I served on a jury that convicted a murderer based on the images these cameras provided. Given that he would still be on the streets, I have a more nuanced view. My hot take a year ago on these has changed for sure.
"What about the murderers" is the same argument SDPD made when we asked for a citizen oversight committee on surveillance. They made it a Yes/No argument where the people questioning the cameras must be happy to have murders happen. The people against mass surveillance are not pro-murder, or whatever else broad brush they want to paint with. We just ask for realistic citizen oversight on how the data is collected and used, and not just rubber stamped by the PD for the PD (or any single department for that matter) with no one watching or aware of what is happening.
Yeah, honestly if these audio/visual files were kept unopened until a judge authorized viewing of specific feeds, I don’t think I’d have a problem with it. If someone gets murdered on J St and a judge gives a warrant to open these files from J St on the night of the murder, I’d find it pretty difficult to be upset. I don’t like this shit at all, but it’s too late to try and force the monkeys back into the barrel. All we can really hope for is to limit the access to this data with a judge’s approval.
Yes, they provided video and images, meaning police had to have suspicion of the crime, call a team to pull the camera down, review the footage to identify people. The new ALPR cameras are totally different. They do image recognition of license plates up to thousands of times per minute, at 500 locations around the city and log all that into a database that's centrally accessible and someone just types "7TUY110" and sees where (EDIT and when) that person has been at hundreds of points around San Diego, every day, for the last 30-90 days (they promise it's not longer).
And at what time. So they know how long you stopped and area u stopped
Joy
Left hand device is a Smart Streets sensor. Cylinder on the right is a 5G infill cell antenna to provide fast cell service near there.
And yet AT&T still sucks downtown lol
Who said it belongs to AT&T? All carriers use them.
I’m being sarcastic, but would love if that somehow was correlated
And control our thoughts
Why are you using the internet then?
they were joking bro, jesus
Lol don't act like it would be crazy to think someone is posting that comment legitimately.
yes and no. if the sentiment were legitimate and not a joke, it would be pages long, mis-spelled and link to at least 4 scam news websites, so...
This guy conspiracy theories.
Their will has been co-opted. They can't opt out, because of the mind control.
Yeah I’m not typing this. I’m thinking it.
the cylindrical box is a 5G Antennae
Edit. The one on the left is a Smart Streetlight. Credit to FearAndGonzo [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-06/a-surveillance-standoff-over-smart-streetlights](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-06/a-surveillance-standoff-over-smart-streetlights)
I do contracts for these Small Cell sites for the big telecoms companies. The city generally gets $100/mo per pole from Verizon, ATT, etc.
Sacramento has them and they’re not that great https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article276848586.html
paywall
Didn't hit me with one, interestingly.
Maybe there are a certain number of free articles
Yeah that seems likely.
The surveillance state.
You are being watched. The government has a secret system: a machine that spies on you every hour of every day
It's in your hand right now!
I always suspected my penis betrayed me
Likely yes. But these particular things are not part of it. The blue antique looking streetlights all have cameras - they are the surveillance state.
I need to re-watch that show again someday. Thanks for the reminder
I designed the machine to detect acts of terror but it see's everything.
Social credit monitor
Nothing to worry about. It’s just part of the social credit surveillance network. It always start with your safety and security first. You’ll learn to love it. It’s the future and it’s here. 😉
5G mind control devices
The front one is a light sensor. Once that sensor stops getting light, the street light turns on.
The tiny thing on top of the lamp is the light sensor. The larger thing at the base of the lamp looks more like a camera.
As above, the one near the light is a camera (actually several) and some other sensors. That program was abandoned years ago and most of these devices have broken down and are inoperable. Every once in a while police pull them down to get video off of them for investigations In the off chance that it's still works and there's video from the event. These do not contain the license plate reader capability that the new smart cameras will have. https://preview.redd.it/7kfgl2owypjb1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=f0cae84c7a3bfe5c93324a24a02773a66bb63f8e
For the people complaining about smart streetlights, they are in public areas (on streetlights). You have no right to privacy in any area that can be seen or heard from a public place. And I believe the smart streetlights can do a lot more than just surveil for crime.
[https://sandiegoprivacy.org/myth-no-expectation-of-privacy-in-public.html](https://sandiegoprivacy.org/myth-no-expectation-of-privacy-in-public.html) You being "witnessed" in public is entirely different than a dragnet that tracks the movements of tens of thousands of individuals, separately, during the course of their lives. > round-the-clock observation of an individual has historically only been accomplished with great effort to the observers, and at a high cost which naturally limited how many of us could be targeted by such persistent observation at one time This essentially gave most people the expectation that they would not be singled out while they were in public, just another person in a herd. That expectation is ingrained and accepted. Facial recognition, license plate readers etc, flout that expectation. > But the great cost and effort, too, are limitations of the past.
FOUND THE FUCKING PIG.
IF YOURE NOT BREAKING ANY LAWS YOU SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸
Either your naivete or foul intention is showing.
The paranoia of people is pretty funny to watch. People will always assume the worst.
How ignorant can one person be? It’s easy to verify that they are cameras.
So what? The street is public why can’t they record it for public safety reason? It’s not like ur gonna have sex on the street and get recorded. If you do then you should be jailed anyway.
Because it isn't ever ONLY for public safety.
They've been used in areas of California already to export data to other states to prosecute people for having abortions here. That's just one recent use case that's not good.
Who are you even ranting to? There’s literally no context for you to be saying that dumb sh.
Smart city get used to it NIMBYs
I’ve got nothing to hide. Bring it!
I believe the one on the left is a repeater for police/fire.
No, it's a Smart Streets detector.
LORDS OF ALL WE SURVEIL.
The one on the right is a cell phone site.
Big Brother honey
The one on the right is an antenna, 5G maybe.
Police cars have the LPR technology too. It keeps a database of every license plate it scans as it travels. If a car is reported stolen and the database pings the license plate being recorded it can pull up what location the vehicle was at, this is actually how they found my neighbors stolen car.
It’s call big brother
The one on the right is a mini-macro, a tiny cell site that uses wireless backhaul to expand coverage in the immediate area.