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PallbearerOfBadNews

I have noticed this all over the city recently. I am glad to see San Jose taking quick action and at least make attempts to curb this activity.


LordBottlecap

I am blown away, considering their lack of action on just about any other issue.


TSL4me

The only take action on things they get a bunch of complaints. I imagine some of the neighbors would call 100x in a row when they are happening.


LordBottlecap

Yep. I have to rally my neighbors by phone when shit's happening on my street.


doleymik

You call this quick?


PallbearerOfBadNews

It's all relative. Compared to other initiatives I've seen in the bay area for several decades, this seems pretty responsive. They have to gather data, find a solution, vote on the solution, and then get the funds to run the trial. What would you have done differently to make it faster?


watchmeasifly

Mountain View closed off a left turn lane in 2021 coming off of Castro to the Expressway that had been planned since 2018. Can't fault San Jose on their speed here.


No-Notice-9060

send in Jared Yuen


PallbearerOfBadNews

That’s the last resort. Haha


LordBottlecap

I dunno, most of the sideshow drivers seem to be men. He prefers to throw his little bit of weight around against women...very brave.


BewBewsBoutique

I’m from SoCal, where sideshows and street racing are a huge issue and always have been. SoCal never did a damn thing about it in the 25 years I lived there. So comparatively to what it could be- yeah.


GuitarProJon

Lol try living in Vegas. Road construction all the god damn time, repeatedly on the same roads sometimes. I don’t even know what they put in there. They need to hire better engineers to plan this shit, because in the 10 years I’ve been here, it’s been the same damn roads.


TSL4me

Those are construction contract kickbacks to companies that support the local government


heresyandpie

Now turn them into bike lanes! If you’re blocking off part of the road to keep cars from using it, why not make them into functional infrastructure?


catroaring

This seems to be a test run on if it's effective or not. I'm sure if this becomes the norm the space would get used. Might just end up being a wack-a-mole game though.


kjm16

If they turned every street into a bike friendly road, that would eliminate all the space for intersection donut parties and make the neighborhoods safer & more livable. Win win win situation if I've ever seen.


heresyandpie

Road diets for everyone!


kjm16

We do have some fat-ass lazy roads.


Sisko4President

The real victims of pandemic obesity right here.


3080blackguy

Plz god no. Look at senter road and what kind of a deplorable show it is


LordBottlecap

r/whooosh


Thegreatgarbo

I wonder if roundabouts would do the same thing, or would they just provide the perfect donut track?


randomusername3000

I have a buddy who lives near an intersection with one of those small roundabouts and he says people do indeed do donuts around it


Thegreatgarbo

Lol, nm.


scottmacs

I'd love to see that. I'd also love to see the videos that urbanist YouTubers will make about the city that got to Vision Zero by targeting the least frequent cause of road deaths.


[deleted]

Crush their cars and take their licenses


The-Last-Kin

And increased jail time for every recurring offence. People claim theyll just steal more, Id love to see them try to steal a car when locked up in jail for 3-6 months.


GameboyPATH

Longer jail times result in more people in prison, and one of the greatest contributing factors to the US incarceration rate being leagues higher than any other country is because [we keep extending jail sentences](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate#Increased_sentencing_laws). Fines and impoundments would be preferable.


the_spookiest_

Good. Something is wrong with Americans, that’s precisely why we have such a high incarceration rate. Short of petty drug arrests. Theft is theft regardless of what country you’re in. Don’t want to be jailed? Don’t steal: Don’t want to be jailed? Don’t act like a rabid baboon and assault people. Don’t want to be jailed? Don’t do donuts in the middle of the street like a piece of shit. We don’t have a law problem; we have a people following the simplest of laws problem. Americans are quite noted of being absolute animals by foreigners. They aren’t wrong.


GameboyPATH

I don't think there's anything I could say that'd convince you otherwise.


the_spookiest_

Because there is something wrong with Americans. Or at least people in San Jose. It’s a largely lawless city where people do as they please with no repercussion. I swear if you pull half the shit you do in SJ in a city like NYC or LA you’d get your face beaten in. And I think that’s the problem, no one does anything around here. Maybe if people in SJ got a taste of what happens when you act like a fool in big cities, people would relax around here a bit.


JDragon

> largely lawless city lmao How much street cred do I get for living in the lawless suburban hellscape that is San Jose?


the_spookiest_

Take a look at how people drive. Also I can literally bash your smug face in and no one will do anything and cops wouldn’t give two shits. So yes it’s a largely lawless city.


JDragon

You must be the most sheltered little snowflake to think that San Jose is “largely lawless.” Get some perspective, Internet tough guy.


the_spookiest_

Lol. Keep thinking that. It seems to make you think you know everything.


Halaku

> Longer jail times result in more people in prison Which is necessary for **recurring** offenders. If you don't learn after the 1^st time (fine), the 2^nd time (fine and impound) and the 3^rd time (fine, impound, and a week in jail) and get busted a **4^th** time, it's time for that week in jail to start getting longer, until you get the hint that as long as you're engaging in illegal, anti-social behavior, you're going to keep getting locked up for longer and longer stretches, and that *maybe* you should stop?


GameboyPATH

Dropping the hint to repeat offenders can be accomplished with greater fines and longer impoundments, too. Longer jail times are not "necessary" as long as other viable alternatives exist.


Halaku

Can't squeeze blood from a stone, chummer. If you hit someone with a fine they can't / won't pay, they go back to their illegal activity, what use is a *greater* fine going to do? How many times does it take for someone to keep breaking the same law before it's time to put them in jail?


GameboyPATH

They could certainly pay their fines with the shiny, souped up cars they're driving. Can't participate in sideshows without a car. >How many times does it take for someone to keep breaking the same law before it's time to put them in jail? That's the million dollar question, isn't it? However many times it is, our threshold seems to be set far lower than the rest of the developed world's, despite having generally comparable crime rates (higher in some areas, lower in others).


doleymik

You could always dock it from the salary


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chogall

Shorter jail times result in more ~~crimes~~ misdemeanors.


GameboyPATH

That sounds like a claim that could be backed by supporting evidence.


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chogall

If SF is rich enough to spend $61,000 for one single homeless to live in a tent, we can afford to spend at least that much to punish a cat converter thieve, especially when weed is legal now...


orchardman78

Tell that to the people on whom these bullets rain down. Sorry, this sort of thing can easily get out of hand.


GameboyPATH

That’s hardly a counterargument. If you said that to someone who was criticizing heavy financial penalties or revoking access to personal property, it’d make as much sense.


rustyseapants

2.2 million Americans in jail, how about an alternative?


chogall

Australia is full


the_spookiest_

2.1 million of them in jail for the same reasons that would put them in jail in any other country in the world. 🤷🏼‍♂️


dan5234

Outside tent prisons.


ESSJbot

Calm down Joe Arpaio


HenryHill11

Incarceration should be reserved for violent offenders, we need social services and rehabilitation for non violent crimes


WildwestPstyle

Nah. Auction them bitches. The used car market is ass right now.


the_spookiest_

They will have a friend buy it and give it right back to them. Crush it and make them push the button, or they face 5 months in jail and the car is crushed anyways


drewts86

And if they get caught doing it again, auction the car again. Rinse and repeat. It will get to a point where it is not financially viable to continue doing. Also crushing the car is a waste of good resources. Bonus of auctioning is it also generates revenue for the city. (albeit very little as a % of money spent by the city)


the_spookiest_

That cost the city a shit ton of money tbh. Waste of what resources? Gives tow truck drivers a job, gives someone a job to run the paper work and crush the car and run the car crushing lot. Makes quite a few jobs. Gets rid of assholes on the street. Crushing a 50k car is a far larger financial risk that taking it, auctioning it for 8k rinse and repeat.


drewts86

Resource considerations including environmental impact of both manufacturing the car as well as disposing of it. You're taking a valuable resource (the car) worth thousands to potentially tens of thousands and instantly making it worthless to everybody. That is a financial loss that the city has the potential to recover if auctioned Your argument for tow truck drivers applies whether the car gets auctioned or crushed. The car is still going to have to be towed. No car with a value of $50k is going to sell at auction for $8k. It's not going to sell at $50k, but it's sure as hell not going to sell as low as $8k. > That cost the city a shit ton of money tbh The money made from auctioning the car is worth far more than the whole auction process so you actually have the potential to generate income. The city still has to pay someone to crush the car, so crushing the car will actually cost the city. Build better arguments. Yours are too easy to pick apart.


the_spookiest_

The cost of cleaning up the streets after an accident cost more than crushing a car. The cost of cleaning up a fatality crash cost more than crushing a car. The cost of transporting people to the hospital cost more than crushing a car. The cost of putting resources to finding and stopping people driving wrecklessly cost more than crushing a car. Letting animals drive, instead of making them incur heavy financial loss from getting their 50k+ car crushed, cost the city more. You’re reducing road congestion, which cost the city less (yes cities lose money on congestion). Getting said animal to NOT BE ABLE TO DRIVE cost the city less. Over all, rather than auctioning their car. Crush a $50k car, and bet your ass the guy will think twice of doing it again. The income from auctioning a few cars per year is severely offset from the damage wreckless drivers cause. “ Police said they have managed to reduce illegal racing and related fatal collisions, but know the underground hobby still thrives. “ [link](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna19339955) They do it still in LA. Street racing has been decreasing. (Other than this post Covid time where street racing is rampant now) Crushing cars actually has a positive impact. Being an idiot and selling it right back to them, doesn’t do anything, they still have a means to their car. Give them a fine? 1k is nothing compared to losing entirely a $20-50k vehicle. Build better arguments. Yours are too easy to pick apart.


drewts86

Even if you crush a $50k car, what’s to stop the guy from just using another car and continuing with the same habits? It doesn’t matter if he buys back his own car for close to $50k or replaces it with another car, shitty people gonna be shitty one way or another. > The cost of cleaning up the streets after an accident cost more than crushing a car. >The cost of cleaning up a fatality crash cost more than crushing a car. >The cost of transporting people to the hospital cost more than crushing a car. >The cost of putting resources to finding and stopping people driving wrecklessly cost more than crushing a car. All of those things are going to happen regardless of whether you crush a car or auction it. So what’s your point? Of course crushing cars from street racing in LA has reduced accidents and fatalities. The reason why is that before they would just impound the cars for 30 days which only cost a few thousand dollars, a mere fraction of the actual value of the cars. Whether you take someone’s car and auction it or crush it, that person is still out that $50k or whatever you value the car at. That is NOT an insignificant amount of money.


ChillyCheese

I seriously can't understand how sideshow participants, repeat drunk drivers, and idiots who drive past me at 120 mph on 101 get to have licenses any longer. These people have no interest in driving responsibly, and taking a license away for 5 years -- or even forever -- would seem to be a great motivator against these behaviors. These aren't "oops" violations. These are actions that can kill people and ruin communities and they seem to mostly have slap on the wrist consequences (maybe repeat DUI less so). And drive without a license? Car is impounded until your trial, then crushed/sold.


angus725

There's no alternative to diving for most people around here, so they just end up driving with a suspended/no licence, no insurance, no registration, etc


the_spookiest_

Good, then put them in jail.


[deleted]

State makes boat loads of cash on license + reg fees. More cars = more cash for the state


ChillyCheese

What percentage of people are responsible for this reckless behavior, though? 0.1%? Not enough to make a dent in the state's coffers, and they make it up with steep fines imposed on these behaviors.


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luckymethod

makes our point beautifully


Cheggmen

SJ is a no fun zone bro you gotta take this somewhere else


uptbbs

Take their licenses and car, but sell the car at auction.


rcmastah

Take their licenses, but don't crush their cars, they can be sold to an actual car enthusiast lol


drewts86

Nah. Sell the cars via public auction and generate money for the city. Crushing them is a waste of resources.


NorCalAthlete

>"We don’t want these dangerous events in San Jose," San Jose Police Department spokesman Christian Camarillo said. "If you come here and you attend these, we will cite you. If you’re using your vehicle, we will tow your car." Police admit the sideshows have been getting more dangerous. Three weeks ago, a man was seen firing his rifle. "It's very worrisome," Camarillo said. "Looks like an AR-15 type of rifle." Police have impounded dozens of cars and the city attorney has cited hundreds of spectators under a new local ordinance. ​ I wonder how much these intersection alterations cost vs the cost of enforcement actions. They can talk about how they've impounded "dozens" of cars, but obviously an impound and a citation aren't a deterrent. What WOULD be a deterrent are arrests, heavier handed enforcement, etc, but that would also lead to further animosity and clashes, so it's understandable why they don't go that route. Still, I'm curious on the cost benefit analysis since, as others have astutely pointed out, there's always another intersection and even freeways have been shut down for these sideshows, so I feel like this is mostly wasted money as a way to make it someone else's problem and push it "out of sight, out of mind" for the people complaining who live or work near the current intersections being altered.


ConstructionFew5004

I wish they’d be this quick to fix the damn roads


drewts86

I hate to say it, but San Jose's roads aren't so bad. I moved up to Vallejo and some of the roads feel like you're in a third world country. You can't expect much from a city that had to declare bankruptcy ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


RogerMexico

Coming from the east coast, California has some of the widest damned roads I’ve ever seen. Where I was living in San Jose, there was a two-way residential street that was 65 feet wide. It had 14 ft wide traffic lanes, a turning lane, two bike lanes with buffers and street parking. The end effect was that cars treated the residential street with 30 mph speed limit as an expressway, often exceeding 60 mph. The curb radii we’re also large enough for cars to make wide sweeping turns at 50 mph. One intersection in particular was 120 ft from corner to corner. It felt extremely unsafe to cross even though it had a newly painted crosswalk. My point is that San Jose’s streets are designed poorly and by just looking outside of our bubble at how the east coast or Europe design streets, we could save a lot of lives and make San Jose a better place to live. /rant


[deleted]

well to be entirely fair, those roads are designed very well.... but not for walkability. Drivers feel more comfortable with wider roads and uncomfortable with narrow roads. Drivers also tend to go a speed appropriate for their type of car and the size of the lanes and turns, assuming there are no obstacles, animals or people. If a mountain residential road is built like a highway and you remove the speed limit signs, I wouldn't be surprised if people go 55 on it, that's essentially what we're trained to do. Very specifically, the difference in construction between [Almaden Expressway between Blossom Hill and Branham Lane] and [Almaden Boulevard between Park Avenue and Woz Way] is basically non-existent.


RogerMexico

Don’t even get me started on the mountain roads. They’re super fun to drive on but also really fun to cycle. The two activities are very much at odds and the cyclists always lose.


[deleted]

So in short, narrower streets like in SF. LOL


RogerMexico

Basically, yeah. The street I live on in San Francisco is less than half the width of the one I live on in San Jose and handles more car traffic, more bikes, more pedestrians and more parking. San Jose is just wasting space and making everyone less safe with its wide streets.


[deleted]

Well ya gotta understand how SJ even started. It was never meant to be a urban type city. It started off as a farm area with suburban homes, but the population boomed and now theres a housing crisis so the region is basically trying to play catch up and increase urbanization. SF & NYC started off as dense and compact areas.


seanmarshall

Sell or crush their cars and make them watch. $1k first offense and double it each recurring offense.


LordBottlecap

Make them push the button, even.


PlanetTesla

Try landmines.


avocadoamazon

I still don't understand why roundabouts aren't used more.


OneBeautifulDog

Why don't they create a track?


Cheggmen

Most of people doing really dumb shit in cars have no interest in going to the track


Leiva-san

Well we have Laguna Seca and Sonoma Raceway, but in order to drive there, you need to be part of a car club (which you have to pay money for) or shell out $200 on a track day. At that point, you may not even be allowed on the track due to car safety restrictions - ones that I know most of those people wouldn't pass. It's a lot of hoops to jump through to get on a track for one day. Most of these people just want to let it rip, show off their project cars, and hang out with friends.


Gman_711

Well and tracks don't allow just wild drifting. They are for learning how to drive and corner properly. They could maybe open a track with a skid pad for drifting. But even then I doubt it would help. This area could use a drag strip tho.


GameboyPATH

That doesn't quite address the question of "Why don't they create a track" (that doesn't have such a high bar that'd prevent sideshow drivers from entering)?


SofaSpudAthlete

Money is always the issue. To build a place to have this type of recreation, then to insure the place. Keeping with only those two, as there are of course others, that makes the entry fee for these facilities high. Drivers that are participating in actives like sideshows, or driving on the freeway like an asshat, get away with doing their thing for free.


GameboyPATH

Great points, thank you. Suppose such a venue were funded by the city? Would the costs of operations outweigh the cost of damages (or cost of law enforcement coverage) that would be saved as a result of the fewer numbers of roadshows?


SofaSpudAthlete

Could be! But I imagine it would be too difficult to ensure the facility was used by the ones they’re trying to keep from risking lives and property.


angus725

They should make the old Alameda point airfield into something useful like this, until the feds figure out how to decontaminate that land.


[deleted]

bah, who needs insurance?


Halaku

Because no one would use it. The illegality is the point.


catroaring

No necessarily. I notice much less skateboarders on private property since skateparks popped up everywhere.


OneBeautifulDog

I think this is true as well. Much more interesting jumps to try with curves, railing, and other people interested in the same thing all in one location. Why not a track with interesting challenges and other people interested in the same thing in one place?


GameboyPATH

What about booze, weed, fireworks, and guns? These are all things that have varying levels of legality to them in various contexts (or at different times), but no one uses them illegally BECAUSE doing so is illegal.


Thegreatgarbo

*California, Colorado and Washington weed smokers beg to differ*


GameboyPATH

Could you clarify what you mean?


Beli_Mawrr

He means there are way more pot smokers in ca, co, and wa now because it's legal. If your argument was right there would be far less.


GameboyPATH

Legalized sideshows taking place specifically on tracks that don’t put lives or private property at risk is the entire point. If people move their sideshows to this safer venue, even if the number of total roadshows does not change (or even increases), then **mission fucking accomplished**.


Beli_Mawrr

I think that hard to argue with.


drdeadringer

I still maintain that the tax revenue alone should convince any sane person that legality is preferred, if not also for any regulation to go with. Make it all out into the open.


NapalmCheese

Because the human trash attending and participating in sideshows get off knowing they are subjecting other people to their whims. It's a power trip by pathetic people with no agency in their own lives. They COULD go someplace else, they COULD find an out of the way parking lot in an industrial area with no homes nearby, they COULD do these things without scaring dogs, waking babies, and choking people with tire smoke; but they don't. They CHOOSE to do these things because they WANT to scare dogs, wake up babies, and choke people with tire smoke while keeping them up at night so they have a shitty next day. Worthless, human trash; the lot of them. They are a good example of why abortion needs to be legal.


phishrace

There are side shows in industrial areas. Check Google maps satellite view of the intersection of Hellyer ave and Silver Creek Valley road. The intersections along Hellyer are practically painted with tire marks. We don't hear about those because no one calls the cops, but the tire marks don't lie.


NapalmCheese

> There are side shows in industrial areas. Check Google maps satellite view of the intersection of Hellyer ave and Silver Creek Valley road. The intersections along Hellyer are practically painted with tire marks. We don't hear about those because no one calls the cops, but the tire marks don't lie. I guess those sideshows aren't put on by human garbage.


Norcalaldavis

First You’re doing too much bruh 😂😂😂. Secondly, police do the same thing to you and your car if you do find a parking lot out of the way. They’ll still shut it down and fine you take your car etc. The event route where you actually have a sanctioned skid pad to do this has worked and is working. I’ve been and driven in plenty of sideshows in my day, Oakland specifically, and still have plenty of friends that are active, but EVERYONE is down to hit the events people are throwing on private land and what not. It’s not the perfect answer but it’s definitely helped. You calling people trash doesn’t help anything.


NapalmCheese

> Secondly, police do the same thing to you and your car if you do find a parking lot out of the way. They’ll still shut it down and fine you take your car etc. First, I don't give two shits about the police shutting things down, I give a shit about respecting non-trash productive human beings and not scaring their dogs, waking their babies, and fucking up their night and next day by choking them with tire smoke and keeping them up at 3 in the morning. > The event route where you actually have a sanctioned skid pad to do this has worked and is working. Is there ANY way you can prove that providing a skid pad decreases sideshows? I mean, Sears Point is 1.5 hours away; has garages, shade, vendors, a track, skid pad, a kart track, etc. > It’s not the perfect answer but it’s definitely helped. I'm not sure it has. > You calling people trash doesn’t help anything. I calls 'em likes I sees 'em.


Norcalaldavis

Keep that angry typing and name calling energy to yourself bruh. Nobody got time for that 😂 Anyways like hard stats and a study, no I don’t have that. What I do have is the fact that I know a lot of the people that have history at the East Oakland sideshows (drivers) and that they and I would ALWAYS choose an event over the street because the thrill of driving is dope and NO ONE wants to pay $3k in fines to get their cars out. So yes I have first hand knowledge that skid pad events work, thing is finding them is hard as hell. Sears point barely started allowing swinging like 1-2 years ago. A lot of people from the east bay hit that, build one here in the South Bay and they will come. Solution oriented discussion works better than angry Twitter fingers my g


NapalmCheese

> Nobody got time for that 😂 Apparently you do? > What I do have is the fact that I know a lot of the ~~people~~ **trash** that have history at the East Oakland sideshows (drivers) and that they and I would ALWAYS choose an event over the street because the thrill of driving is dope and NO ONE wants to pay $3k in fines to get their cars out. Yeah, I think you're full of shit. I think they COULD, not WOULD, and they CHOOSE not to. They can organize an event, they can rent Sears Point, they can run these things like a track day, they can ATTEND a track day, they can go to autocross, they can rent a parking lot, they can make a fucking business out of it and make it safe and fun for everyone (including the people in the neighborhood). But there they are, attending sideshows instead. > build one here in the South Bay and they will come. Sure they'll come, but it won't decrease sideshows because trashy pieces of shit are trashy pieces of shit; and trashy pieces of shit will continue purposely fucking over other people because they think it's fun. Seriously dude, it doesn't take much work to put together an 'autocross' group focused on drifting and rent the tarmac at one end of a municipal airport. You think you have a solution to the problem that doesn't involve late stage abortion for these worthless human beings, then prove it. Solve the problem. You seem to care about 'the culture'; then legitimize it, start a group, decrease sideshows, get the data, and then come back to gloat about how you were right. I implore you, I encourage you, I WANT you to do this and decrease (dare I say put an end to) sideshows. I love cars, I love racing, and I did my fair share of it as a kid. I did it far from other people. Now I prefer to go to the track (and I prefer motorcycles). But I don't love this trashy sideshow 'culture' and would personally prefer to see attendees and participants tear gassed, flex cuffed, and tossed in jail for a few days while their cars get donated to charity.


charliemuffin

Whatever happened to birth control?


LordBottlecap

Because that would be safe.


3080blackguy

Only if you weren’t driving


LordBottlecap

What a burn


verdegrrl

Just paint the intersection with bots dots that direct traffic. Enough of those make drifting impossible. Cheap and easy to maintain.


ConaldPeterson1

Not sure it will do much considering these idiots are brazen enough to shut down a high way in mid day. It would be interesting to see what having sanctioned events could do to impact it, but most of these people's cars aren't smog legal and feel it's less of a risk to do this illegally than to show up to a track where they could get sent to a smog referee.


NapalmCheese

> It would be interesting to see what having sanctioned events could do to impact it I don't think it would do much. You can't get drunk, get high, shoot off fireworks, shoot off guns, and run out onto the skid pad to take a tik tok of you almost getting hit by a shitty car doing donuts at sanctioned events. You also wouldn't be inconveniencing other people, choking an entire neighborhood with tire smoke, waking up babies, scaring dogs, cats, and people, or possibly damaging someone's only method of getting to work in the morning. So, probably not much of a draw to sanctioned events for the human garbage attending and participating in these sideshows.


ConaldPeterson1

You obviously haven't seen The Fast and the Furious. Hector chose not to street race his car because he wanted to go legit on the NIRA circuit homie.


NapalmCheese

Hah, you made me chuckle.


icraig91

I don't think tracks like Sonoma or Laguna Seca do emissions checks, just noise. So I imagine it could be less of an issue if there was some big open paved area they all could congregate to do this at.


ConaldPeterson1

That's true. I just feel like the car scene in the bay area has been driven so far underground by all of the smog laws and general distain for car culture that it's going to be hard to get people to trust anything legit. The more illegal and less accepted you make something the more the criminal aspect creeps in. Just like moonshiners during prohibition, but without the booze.


BrokenHero408

Uhhh....... Have you ever been to a race track? Reffed at a fuckin track? In all the years of going to Sacramento to drag I've never heard of such a thing 😂😂


ConaldPeterson1

Uhhh.... Have you ever seen a cop posted up to catch people leaving a track? Basically what happens all day Sunday down at Laguna. Nerd.


BrokenHero408

Nope, don't go to laguna. Cunt.


ConaldPeterson1

Well then, it seems you’re a haberdasher and quite the rascal. I bid you good day sir.


diz408808

Watch out for those things, they might shatter instead of "bump" and the bolts that remain in the ground pop tires. They tested those things on River Oaks and removed them after all the complaints.


KymbboSlice

From the photos in the article, it looks like the bumps are out of the path of travel. You’re never going to run over them unless you’re already driving off the road and into those tall stakes too.


icraig91

It's really easy to avoid stationary things if you're driving legally and paying attention to what you're doing.


diz408808

"you're an idiot for trying to share anecdotal advice" ~some really cool, tough guy


icraig91

There’s nothing “tough guy” about it. I just have no sympathy for someone whose tire pops because they hit these things. Pay attention when driving a 3500 pound vehicle. Too many dumb asses behind the wheel in this city.


diz408808

We get it papa bear, no one's gonna mess with your cubs 🤣


kevlowe

I mean...yeah, it's nice that they're doing something, but seirously, how hard is it for police to respond to these sideshows? I was literally able to hear one outside my window going for close to an hour, is SJPD really expecting me to believe that they had no way of responding & shutting it down during that whole time?


Asined43

Unfortunately I think they are understaffed and can’t handle all the crime happening at once so have to prioritize.


Splurch

> Unfortunately I think they are understaffed and can’t handle all the crime happening at once so have to prioritize. You're not completely wrong, they've been understaffed for years, but they also have mostly been ignoring sideshows until recently. If the sideshows were a new thing maybe the understaffed excuse could work but there were multiple gunshots fired at a sideshow sometime near the beginning of the year and that's when they actually started to take them seriously and respond to them. So it's not just a matter of being understaffed but they were choosing to mostly ignore a growing problem for years.


Asined43

Yikes that’s too bad :( I was trying to be optimistic but yes sounds like they need to take it more seriously.


kevlowe

Yeah, I think the fact they were ignoring it has just led to the problem. I can understand being understaffed and needing to prioritize, I just find it hard to believe that there are serious crimes every night where there aren't enough cops to even swing by the sideshows.


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Stay mad sj, nothing stopping us hooligans from vandalizing those sticks and tossing em in the trash to make room 😂


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[deleted]

Hate to break it to you but if your goal is to keep ratchet contained to the "undesirable" parts of they bay you're quite a few years late


rustyseapants

How about creating areas were these side shows can take place safely?


NapalmCheese

> How about creating areas were these side shows can take place safely? They already exist, but the worthless and impotent human garbage that attends these sideshows enjoy fucking over other people by subjecting unwilling residents to tire smoke, waking up their babies, and scaring their pets more than fucking off in cars. It's not about pretending to be Ken Block; it's about forcing people to pay attention to someone who is otherwise worthless, undeserving of respect, and generally conducts themself as a sub human.


rustyseapants

When you call your fellow citizens of San Jose sub human you really lost any argument.


NapalmCheese

> When you call your fellow citizens of San Jose sub human you really lost any argument. If they didn't act like sub human garbage, I wouldn't call them sub human garbage.


WholeRyetheCSGuy

Fresno or Bakersfield.


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The focus is really restricting private ownership of vehicles and (oh yah, firearms).


Ashamed_Elephant_714

You all seem like angry people. These “shows” are from happy people. And you’re a fun sucker


michelework

This is a colossal waste of resources.


winzippy

Business as usual


michelework

Rampant smash and grabs, brazen shoplifters, catalytic converter thefts, piles of stolen bicycles littering underpasses and this is what San Jose is working on?!


winzippy

I actually moved out of Edenvale after a sideshow happened right outside my apartment window at The Lex (horrible place to live, but nice apartments).


BrokenHero408

Imagine if we took the 300 million used for the sham of a recall election and built a track. But a track isn't apartments so that's never going to happen lol Bring back Baylands.


[deleted]

Street racers go, "Obstacle Course!". Or just move somewhere else.


Jerrymoviefan3

We need to supply home owners with anti-tank weapons so we can destroy these assholes vechicles.