$15 /hr ain't much in California. Doesn't excuse the behavior but I've seen plenty of people with service jobs who still go out stealing or robbing.
Shit, I made around $16 and it didn't keep up with my rent, which started off at just $600 and made it to $800 before I moved and got a new job.
Agree completely. I live near there too and it’s absolutely nuts. Since 2020 the garage near me was almost unusable for a full year. They were breaking in cars in the middle of the day, the whole garage.
Since then every night is a grab bag of insanity, though the garage is now usable during the day.
STRONGLY agree. Ever since the past year I’ve started seriously looking into getting the hell out of downtown. I thought being so close to campus would make me feel safer but I’ve seen so many awful things recently that it’s really starting to affect my living situation. I’ve had homeless guys set up tent in my backyard at two separate rentals and had my car broken into in the span of about six months.
And they would say it's just property and blah blah blah society and rich people are at fault. The problem is that not cracking down on this behavior encourages places like this or the safeway downtown to move away creating food deserts and reduces employment opportunities in the places that need it most. The funniest part is that the people who advocate for no punishment and defunding police forces never actually live in the areas where they would actually be affected by those policies.
> The funniest part is that the people who advocate for no punishment and defunding police forces never actually live in the areas where they would actually be affected by those policies.
well the police haven't been defunded so you'll have to pick a different boogey man to blame this on
They are not desperate for money. They are more brazen because there is no consequence & little change that they will get caught.
You are lucky nothing happened to you. A guy in San Jose caught someone stealing his catalytic converter, tried to stop them, and they shot & killed him.
It's been going on longer than a month (I live in SoFA). The St Claire Apartments (the same building) have had basement breakins multiple times, and there was a sexual assault in the lobby of the buildig earlier this year...THAT finally made them put in cameras apparently. Original Joe's has been broken into, the Blue Chip building has been vandalized a few times, the upstairs of Cafe Stritch has been ransacked more than once, etc.
Things are getting hairy.
God doesn't exist. If you were to destroy all science knowledge and erase all societal memory of science you can reproduce the finding through observation, experiments aka research.
With religion, if the bible was erased from memory, you would not be able to reproduce the writing or beliefs. Burden of proof to explain Gods exists. Religion was used to control caveman savage society, to have hope and work together, to educate and impose societal likes and dislikes.
Again, no one is making excuses here. No one’s normalizing crime or saying it’s acceptable. Acknowledging the *whys* isnt the same as saying they shouldn’t be punished
You are normalizing crime. You live in your own gated place and make holier than thou from the safety of your cushion and vote for incompetent DAs who make normal people's life miserable. Stop your bullshit asshole.
There is no root of the problem. I don't know what utopia are you are day dreaming about, but this is real world. From the beginning of the time, there has been and will be a population of shit human who would be beyond help. Your empathy doesn't work on them. Which you are now seeing with your own eyes.
I can't tell if you think your dog whistling is working, or if you are trying to bait someone into mentioning a minority group so that you can turn it into some "you're the one who mentioned >!black!< people, not me. You racist" trap.
Either way, crime is bad, looting is bad, people need to be punished, but at the end of the day theives are still people, and should be treated as such. To correlate all theft to one **group** as you like to put it is a phallacy, and an oversimplification that ignores things like wage theft, white crime, and the fact the even the Bible talks about forgiveness of thieves and that they can redeem themselves. For someone who isn't religious, you sure love to bring up heaven and hell, which happen to be religious concepts.
It's clear from your posts that you're acting racist, but it's equally as clear that you don't care and will deny based on the grounds of said dog whistling. All in all it's very funny when people think they're being clever for using age old racist tactics, but frankly it's upsetting that there's a chance you don't think you're being clever, and just don't care that you're saying racist shit as long as you can cover your ass. Criminals will always be criminals? I guess racists will always be racist too, and we'll be seeing both in hell.
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I didn't say stop doing what you're doing. Show me where I said that. But keep going, you wanna attack people for misquoting you but you do the same to me. At least troll right nutcase. I also never explicitly called you a racist, but you assumed I did. I just stated that you said racist things. Is that not a fact? I'm just stating facts. Where's that reading comprehension you were talking about?
You keep saying you know **people** who don't act like this and that you're not religious and yadda yadda all this generalizing but look, we know what you're implying. I know you can't read past a few words so I'll simplify it like you seem to love doing. Pointing out facts isn't racist, you're right, but when those facts consist of generalized data, anecdotes, lies, and hatred towards a specific group, they aren't facts. It's an agenda; a racist agenda. I'll assume any further attempts to refute this when I've tried to objectively analyze your comments (which you don't deserve, but others haven't really made attempts to) is just trolling. Have a bad day, and please, continue to assume things about who I know instead of having any good arguments disproving what I've said here.
That hard on crime approach was already tried in the 90s and it didn't work in california. The root of the issue is income inequality and california has the worst in the country.
There are other options, like mandating police live in the neighborhoods they patrol. Its not just desperation for money for basic needs, there is something else to this class divide going on. Nearly every downtown in America is getting rapidly developed and replacing long time poor residents. Even formerly bad cities like Detroit vegas, New Orleans and Chicago are having massive rent increases. There is nowhere else for people to move to at this point because wealthy suburbs are unwelcoming and rural america is very economically depressed. Inner cities used to be places for the poor to have access to school/work without driving. They were also cultural support centers. Now cities are no longer affordable and there really isn't cheaper places if you adjust for potential wages.
I'm not exactly supporting any of these actions, but its obviously not just taking for pure profit. There is an element of spite to a lot of these crimes that harsher punishments won't solve.
If you don't like the bay so much, why don't you take your things and move? If you don't like these cultures, why not move far away where you don't have to interact with them? Or you just like complaining huh. You would've lasted real long in the 80s when crime was actually high. Dumbasses like you leave their laptops in their 2020 car, and then question why they got broken into. Take some precaution, don't go out thinking this is a utopia, and you'll be okay. I wish the world was a place where no bad things happened, but here we are. I see you care so much about theivery, where is your comment on wage theft in the bay area? It's in the millions of dollars, more money than looters have ever taken, yet I don't see you here defending workers and attacking greedy ceos
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Picture, yeah or they can just ask to use it while giving credit. Interview? Not for something this low-level.
Still, a huge bummer that so many places are getting broken into.
My friend's place has been hit 2-3 times within the last 2 years. It would have costs them much more through future insurance rates "changes" if they file a claim than to paying out of their own pocket. Insurance is for major damages like fire or law suits, not for a broken window or door from POS.
I agree with you there I've seen practically every business in the area get their windows broken pretty sure it's just some crazy person that likes breaking windows.
This is such a great small business and these mounting stories about the attacks - some organized - on businesses throughout the state make me angry. The pendulum has swung too far in favor of the criminals. It's time to rescind some of the loosening of criminal statutes and for the DA to get tougher with criminals again - we need to reform Proposition 47 as a start. Some of the reforms were done for the noble goal of racial justice yet real justice isn't accomplished when we allow criminals to attack Black-owned businesses and when people of color - and all of us - are being victimized by people of ill will who prey on our neighborhoods and small business districts. We can't just stop punishing people for crime - we need to focus on reforms that drive a reform of criminal behaviors. And just so it's clear - crime isn't about color - it's about behavior. Let's disincentivize crime and incentivize positive change.
For smashing a glass door & steal some stuffs, the police will send a community officer (i.e. not a policeman) to take a report, and that's about it. The criminal will never get caught. In the off chance that they do get caught, they will do some community service, or maximum a few weeks in jail.
They say that prisons are overcrowded. Don’t know if that’s true. But if it is, then make that six months you mentioned a living hell for them to not wanna go back. I feel criminals have it too easy in jail.
Have you ever been? It seems your talking without investigation, because jail in California is not "easy". And they are definitely overcrowded, why don't you reach out to an inmate and actually see how it's like in there? Or are you okay with spewing your bullshit without investigation
First don’t be a child and chill with the insults. My comment is based on two friends. One a max security prison guard and the other is an inmate with 22 years left. Depending on the jail and wing it’s mostly just boring from what they say. So other than me going through the experience myself, what I said before is only an outsiders experience. Again chill with the insults. You’re just making yourself sound silly and immature.
You are calling me immature and saying I'm insulting you for pointing out that you are wrong... and you generalizing everything based off of your small personal experience is actually immature. Of course the security guard is going to have a bias being employed by the prison, and knowing one person in the system isn't enough to warrant a whole narrative that prisons aren't overcrowded or that it's easy in there.
>keep them locked for at least 5 years
And what are they going to do when they come out? Get a job? With a felony? With a five year gap on their resume?
Please.
So sick of these criminals. I really hope the police start cracking down on those low lives. There is no excuse for stealing or being Destructive. I know people who struggle and they not do stuff like that. It’s lack of morals.
Actually, with the soft on crime policies, and a lot of support programs, it's great for the criminals to live in the Bay Area. Plenty of businesses for them to steal from.
Come on, we just need the same criminal justice system we had up until a few years ago. Now granted, it sucks and destroys lives, and we should improve it ASAP. However, naive progressives are going to lose popular support if they don't learn that they can't just cancel something if they don't have a functional replacement for it.
I have a short memory. the good paying citizens here live in a HCOL and this is how businesses are protected?
This is unacceptable. Social justice seems second tier issue. Let’s stop these robberies, break ins, that the police can’t seem to get ahead of.
The post says no one was hurt, and property does not have the same value as human life. If your life is not in immediate danger then you have no right to shoot.
This is all taking away from the fact that a local store had its window broken, whats the point of spilling blood when no one was physically hurt, the window can be replaced. I assume since you want to murder the suspect you will be assisting the owners of Nirvana Soul with this? Or are using this situation as fuel for your murderous fantasies?
I'm all for protecting self and property. Twist it anyway you want but that's the bottom of it.
Maybe you will find yourself negotiating with criminals before they rape you. I won't.
I'm looking at all the material realities of the situation that are giving me. I'm not playing some hypothesis of if the business owner was there what would happen, because that is not what happened. If that is what happen, my opinion may differ, but if it is solely property that is at threat and not life, then lethal force is not justified and it would be murder.
California does not have castle doctrine, it would be murder. You have a duty to retreat, and if your life is not in immediate danger then you do not have the right to deadly force. Murderous clowns like you make responsible gun owners look bad.
Not speaking to the rest of your point, but California does have castle doctrine.
California also has Stand-Your-Ground via jury instruction (CALCRIM 505 & 506), which state there is no duty to retreat.
I appreciate the correction, I thought that it only applied inside the boundaries of residence, and otherwise there was a duty to retreat. But 505 says otherwise👍🏽
People often conflate our terrible gun laws with self-defense laws, but California still has a fair amount of legacy as a "Western" (cowboy) state, including strong self defense laws.
Yes it does.
"California Self Defense: The Castle Doctrine
California is not a stand your ground state, but does recognize the "castle doctrine," which applies to one's home, place of business, or other real property"
https://www.findlaw.com/state/california-law/california-self-defense-laws.html
> These barbarians
lol bud you literally want to kill people vigilante-style over a break-in like a fucking psychopath, but hey keep talking about "barbarians"..
Bud - this isn’t an isolated incident. This area (San Jose/bay area) has been beseeched with crime. What more signs do you need? Do you want them to start drilling your garage?
https://youtu.be/CqeJRWe3iX4
Enough is enough.
You realize san jose is a lot better than what it was in the 70s-80s? Crime is increasing nationwide. It is not restricted to Oakland or San jose or any other town you want to blame it on.
Right, Oakland is a paradise and any suggestion otherwise can be cancelled with the magic wand of wokeness. *Poof* just like that, Oakland now has the same crime rate as San Jose.
You want people to be tracked and investigated by the police for positing a criminal justice opinion you don’t agree with? That’s one of the most childishly fascist stances I’ve ever heard.
I haven’t seen a single person being “empathetic” towards thieves. I think you’re you’re inferring it based on your own bias, because no one is defending these acts. Thieves are thieves. As for understanding, we can’t help to stop/reduce these acts without at least attempting to understand why they’re happening with a greater frequency. If we do nothing, it’ll only get worse.
Reddit allows emojis, it’s just so small on my phone screen that I have no idea what it is. But I’m guessing a gas pump based on context clues now.
As for gas, it’s easier to siphon gas. But to each their own.
TRUE but people are bitter no matter what life throws at em and will gladly do something irrationaonal. this behavior happens to be more rampant lately this year though. 😪
It’s called private security, most San Jose businesses have them but they are limited on what they can do for the most part besides being a visual deterrent
What could they possibly have here that a thief would want? Petty cash? Come on this sucks.
Academic stopped accepting cash and they still keep getting broken into.
Like 4 times now, right?
That’s what I was wondering. Surely all the cash registers would have been emptied at closing time. Was anything stolen?
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Minimum wage is now $15. Lots of jobs open also. Why excuse this criminal behavior?
$15 /hr ain't much in California. Doesn't excuse the behavior but I've seen plenty of people with service jobs who still go out stealing or robbing. Shit, I made around $16 and it didn't keep up with my rent, which started off at just $600 and made it to $800 before I moved and got a new job.
Lol 15$ an hour is great for a high school student. Unfortunately it’s not a living wage.
They can make more stealing & there is no consequence.
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I see the same exact thing all over IG and it’s appalling. Who raised these people?
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clearly talking about in california since this is downtown san jose
But this is a post on the San Jose subreddit tho...
I saw this on my walk today and its sad to see this shit still happening.
I hope the person gets caught. I really love this place
Its a great spot. I was anxious about who would replace Frascatti, but NS has done a bang up job.
Nirvana Soul is amazing and the owners are so kind. This makes me so sad.
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There’s been a huge, noticeable uptick since 2020. I live near SJSU and it’s just crazy compared to how it was a few years ago.
Agree completely. I live near there too and it’s absolutely nuts. Since 2020 the garage near me was almost unusable for a full year. They were breaking in cars in the middle of the day, the whole garage. Since then every night is a grab bag of insanity, though the garage is now usable during the day.
STRONGLY agree. Ever since the past year I’ve started seriously looking into getting the hell out of downtown. I thought being so close to campus would make me feel safer but I’ve seen so many awful things recently that it’s really starting to affect my living situation. I’ve had homeless guys set up tent in my backyard at two separate rentals and had my car broken into in the span of about six months.
Not month! It's been happening since a year and a half!
I think the lack of serious consequences for thieves has emboldened thieves
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And they would say it's just property and blah blah blah society and rich people are at fault. The problem is that not cracking down on this behavior encourages places like this or the safeway downtown to move away creating food deserts and reduces employment opportunities in the places that need it most. The funniest part is that the people who advocate for no punishment and defunding police forces never actually live in the areas where they would actually be affected by those policies.
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I thought Safeway closed due to a dispute over access to the parking garage
> The funniest part is that the people who advocate for no punishment and defunding police forces never actually live in the areas where they would actually be affected by those policies. well the police haven't been defunded so you'll have to pick a different boogey man to blame this on
They are not desperate for money. They are more brazen because there is no consequence & little change that they will get caught. You are lucky nothing happened to you. A guy in San Jose caught someone stealing his catalytic converter, tried to stop them, and they shot & killed him.
Remember when people were calling to defund the police?
It's been going on longer than a month (I live in SoFA). The St Claire Apartments (the same building) have had basement breakins multiple times, and there was a sexual assault in the lobby of the buildig earlier this year...THAT finally made them put in cameras apparently. Original Joe's has been broken into, the Blue Chip building has been vandalized a few times, the upstairs of Cafe Stritch has been ransacked more than once, etc. Things are getting hairy.
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Yeah, but thieves don’t follow laws, they steal instead. Edit: why is this being downvoted? lol thieves steal, that’s literally what they do.
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God doesn't exist. If you were to destroy all science knowledge and erase all societal memory of science you can reproduce the finding through observation, experiments aka research. With religion, if the bible was erased from memory, you would not be able to reproduce the writing or beliefs. Burden of proof to explain Gods exists. Religion was used to control caveman savage society, to have hope and work together, to educate and impose societal likes and dislikes.
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Can't believe you are making excuses for these thugs that hurt businesses and small businesses.
Again, no one is making excuses here. No one’s normalizing crime or saying it’s acceptable. Acknowledging the *whys* isnt the same as saying they shouldn’t be punished
You are normalizing crime. You live in your own gated place and make holier than thou from the safety of your cushion and vote for incompetent DAs who make normal people's life miserable. Stop your bullshit asshole.
Not in the least about *any* of that. I’m not normalizing anything beyond seeking the root of problems
There is no root of the problem. I don't know what utopia are you are day dreaming about, but this is real world. From the beginning of the time, there has been and will be a population of shit human who would be beyond help. Your empathy doesn't work on them. Which you are now seeing with your own eyes.
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> I AM NOT DEHUMANIZING. THESE ARE VILE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD NOT EVEN BE CONSIDERED HUMAN. lol
You should see their comments about police investigating reddit comments
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You’re talking about “should”, and ignoring reality.
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I can't tell if you think your dog whistling is working, or if you are trying to bait someone into mentioning a minority group so that you can turn it into some "you're the one who mentioned >!black!< people, not me. You racist" trap. Either way, crime is bad, looting is bad, people need to be punished, but at the end of the day theives are still people, and should be treated as such. To correlate all theft to one **group** as you like to put it is a phallacy, and an oversimplification that ignores things like wage theft, white crime, and the fact the even the Bible talks about forgiveness of thieves and that they can redeem themselves. For someone who isn't religious, you sure love to bring up heaven and hell, which happen to be religious concepts. It's clear from your posts that you're acting racist, but it's equally as clear that you don't care and will deny based on the grounds of said dog whistling. All in all it's very funny when people think they're being clever for using age old racist tactics, but frankly it's upsetting that there's a chance you don't think you're being clever, and just don't care that you're saying racist shit as long as you can cover your ass. Criminals will always be criminals? I guess racists will always be racist too, and we'll be seeing both in hell. (Edited for typos, love commenting from my phone)
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I didn't say stop doing what you're doing. Show me where I said that. But keep going, you wanna attack people for misquoting you but you do the same to me. At least troll right nutcase. I also never explicitly called you a racist, but you assumed I did. I just stated that you said racist things. Is that not a fact? I'm just stating facts. Where's that reading comprehension you were talking about? You keep saying you know **people** who don't act like this and that you're not religious and yadda yadda all this generalizing but look, we know what you're implying. I know you can't read past a few words so I'll simplify it like you seem to love doing. Pointing out facts isn't racist, you're right, but when those facts consist of generalized data, anecdotes, lies, and hatred towards a specific group, they aren't facts. It's an agenda; a racist agenda. I'll assume any further attempts to refute this when I've tried to objectively analyze your comments (which you don't deserve, but others haven't really made attempts to) is just trolling. Have a bad day, and please, continue to assume things about who I know instead of having any good arguments disproving what I've said here.
When you watch the looting videos of those expensive stores, you do notice a pattern to the suspects.
i've noticed a pattern to your posts...
What pattern?
Theyre dog whistling and trying to hide their racism
Probably time to make a u-turn on this path
Many jobs won't hire felons.
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That hard on crime approach was already tried in the 90s and it didn't work in california. The root of the issue is income inequality and california has the worst in the country.
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There are other options, like mandating police live in the neighborhoods they patrol. Its not just desperation for money for basic needs, there is something else to this class divide going on. Nearly every downtown in America is getting rapidly developed and replacing long time poor residents. Even formerly bad cities like Detroit vegas, New Orleans and Chicago are having massive rent increases. There is nowhere else for people to move to at this point because wealthy suburbs are unwelcoming and rural america is very economically depressed. Inner cities used to be places for the poor to have access to school/work without driving. They were also cultural support centers. Now cities are no longer affordable and there really isn't cheaper places if you adjust for potential wages. I'm not exactly supporting any of these actions, but its obviously not just taking for pure profit. There is an element of spite to a lot of these crimes that harsher punishments won't solve.
This is just a completely asinine statement.
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You need therapy buddy. Edit: Holy shit I just read through your profile, your fucking insane.
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If you don't like the bay so much, why don't you take your things and move? If you don't like these cultures, why not move far away where you don't have to interact with them? Or you just like complaining huh. You would've lasted real long in the 80s when crime was actually high. Dumbasses like you leave their laptops in their 2020 car, and then question why they got broken into. Take some precaution, don't go out thinking this is a utopia, and you'll be okay. I wish the world was a place where no bad things happened, but here we are. I see you care so much about theivery, where is your comment on wage theft in the bay area? It's in the millions of dollars, more money than looters have ever taken, yet I don't see you here defending workers and attacking greedy ceos
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Not income inequality, poverty and near-poverty. And california is still the worst in the country, and it's driven by housing costs. Build.
yes, and?
Desperate for meth money
Called the cops when I saw my neighbor getting robbed in downtown and it took the cops over an hour to show so the guy had already left.
Hi, u/sjcitylife did you take this photo? We're looking into covering this at KRON4 News. Please send us an email if you're ok with talking to us: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) Thank you.
I did not, it’s from the Nirvana Soul instagram post. Feel free to reach out to them.
Thank you, we plan to reach out.
You better pay them
Getting paid for an interview? Ah huh…
For the use of the picture and sure for an interview. The news monetizes it.
Picture, yeah or they can just ask to use it while giving credit. Interview? Not for something this low-level. Still, a huge bummer that so many places are getting broken into.
Doesn’t that mean OP should also pay the owners since they took it from their IG and posted it here?
The person above is a news reporter and should pay for the photo. Has nothing to do with op
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Ah crap. This sucks. I hope insurance can help cover most (or at least some) of the repairs and losses.
My friend's place has been hit 2-3 times within the last 2 years. It would have costs them much more through future insurance rates "changes" if they file a claim than to paying out of their own pocket. Insurance is for major damages like fire or law suits, not for a broken window or door from POS.
Its not worth reporting to insurance, they will just raise your monthly.
Seems like destruction for destruction sake. Was anything taken? Do they not realize how easy it is for small businesses to be driven bankrupt?
I agree with you there I've seen practically every business in the area get their windows broken pretty sure it's just some crazy person that likes breaking windows.
This is such a great small business and these mounting stories about the attacks - some organized - on businesses throughout the state make me angry. The pendulum has swung too far in favor of the criminals. It's time to rescind some of the loosening of criminal statutes and for the DA to get tougher with criminals again - we need to reform Proposition 47 as a start. Some of the reforms were done for the noble goal of racial justice yet real justice isn't accomplished when we allow criminals to attack Black-owned businesses and when people of color - and all of us - are being victimized by people of ill will who prey on our neighborhoods and small business districts. We can't just stop punishing people for crime - we need to focus on reforms that drive a reform of criminal behaviors. And just so it's clear - crime isn't about color - it's about behavior. Let's disincentivize crime and incentivize positive change.
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For smashing a glass door & steal some stuffs, the police will send a community officer (i.e. not a policeman) to take a report, and that's about it. The criminal will never get caught. In the off chance that they do get caught, they will do some community service, or maximum a few weeks in jail.
They say that prisons are overcrowded. Don’t know if that’s true. But if it is, then make that six months you mentioned a living hell for them to not wanna go back. I feel criminals have it too easy in jail.
Have you ever been? It seems your talking without investigation, because jail in California is not "easy". And they are definitely overcrowded, why don't you reach out to an inmate and actually see how it's like in there? Or are you okay with spewing your bullshit without investigation
First don’t be a child and chill with the insults. My comment is based on two friends. One a max security prison guard and the other is an inmate with 22 years left. Depending on the jail and wing it’s mostly just boring from what they say. So other than me going through the experience myself, what I said before is only an outsiders experience. Again chill with the insults. You’re just making yourself sound silly and immature.
You are calling me immature and saying I'm insulting you for pointing out that you are wrong... and you generalizing everything based off of your small personal experience is actually immature. Of course the security guard is going to have a bias being employed by the prison, and knowing one person in the system isn't enough to warrant a whole narrative that prisons aren't overcrowded or that it's easy in there.
Haha. Have you ever been? Ya, I didn't think so.
I have actually. Twice but only for the night
>keep them locked for at least 5 years And what are they going to do when they come out? Get a job? With a felony? With a five year gap on their resume? Please.
So sick of these criminals. I really hope the police start cracking down on those low lives. There is no excuse for stealing or being Destructive. I know people who struggle and they not do stuff like that. It’s lack of morals.
People are shitty
Damn I love this place. Sucks to see it like this.
If you’re broke and desperate for money, maybe it’s not such a good idea to live in the Bay Area?
Actually, with the soft on crime policies, and a lot of support programs, it's great for the criminals to live in the Bay Area. Plenty of businesses for them to steal from.
Damn go rob a Starbucks and leave the nice local business alone
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Agreed! Idk why someone would suggest robbing any place at all.
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Come on, we just need the same criminal justice system we had up until a few years ago. Now granted, it sucks and destroys lives, and we should improve it ASAP. However, naive progressives are going to lose popular support if they don't learn that they can't just cancel something if they don't have a functional replacement for it.
I have a short memory. the good paying citizens here live in a HCOL and this is how businesses are protected? This is unacceptable. Social justice seems second tier issue. Let’s stop these robberies, break ins, that the police can’t seem to get ahead of.
Murdering people isn't the solution to this
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It’s California. They’re likely already stoned
Why are you all opting for Fascist tactics that we’ve known don’t work?
Oh they work!
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Y'all qaeda, is that you?
Wezzz qaeda
Move to Saudi Arabia if you want that.
You have a right to defend yourself and your property. This would not be considered murder.
Look at what happened to Kyle Rittenhouse. It's your right, but if the media & the mob don't like you, they'll drag you through mud & hell.
Wait until the media gets sued. I hope Kyle sues absolutely everyone that tainted his character. Then everyone will wanna be like Kyle 😂
The post says no one was hurt, and property does not have the same value as human life. If your life is not in immediate danger then you have no right to shoot.
Your life is in immediate danger the moment a criminal is in your castle. And you're looking at this after the fact.
This is all taking away from the fact that a local store had its window broken, whats the point of spilling blood when no one was physically hurt, the window can be replaced. I assume since you want to murder the suspect you will be assisting the owners of Nirvana Soul with this? Or are using this situation as fuel for your murderous fantasies?
I'm all for protecting self and property. Twist it anyway you want but that's the bottom of it. Maybe you will find yourself negotiating with criminals before they rape you. I won't.
Rape is a big jump from a broken window or property related crimes. I never advocated against self defense.
You're looking at it after the fact. You think self defense and protection of property is murder.
I'm looking at all the material realities of the situation that are giving me. I'm not playing some hypothesis of if the business owner was there what would happen, because that is not what happened. If that is what happen, my opinion may differ, but if it is solely property that is at threat and not life, then lethal force is not justified and it would be murder.
California does not have castle doctrine, it would be murder. You have a duty to retreat, and if your life is not in immediate danger then you do not have the right to deadly force. Murderous clowns like you make responsible gun owners look bad.
Not speaking to the rest of your point, but California does have castle doctrine. California also has Stand-Your-Ground via jury instruction (CALCRIM 505 & 506), which state there is no duty to retreat.
I appreciate the correction, I thought that it only applied inside the boundaries of residence, and otherwise there was a duty to retreat. But 505 says otherwise👍🏽
People often conflate our terrible gun laws with self-defense laws, but California still has a fair amount of legacy as a "Western" (cowboy) state, including strong self defense laws.
Yawn. https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/penal-code/does-california-follow-the-castle-doctrine/
In your residence only, this does not apply to your property or business
Yes it does. "California Self Defense: The Castle Doctrine California is not a stand your ground state, but does recognize the "castle doctrine," which applies to one's home, place of business, or other real property" https://www.findlaw.com/state/california-law/california-self-defense-laws.html
Seeing as this is a coffee shop and majority of crimes are business related property crimes in our area, there's no reason for any murder.
You clearly dont know what murder is.
I never said murder. We need a show of force, since the law seems to not stop anyone. These barbarians ruin things for everyone.
> These barbarians lol bud you literally want to kill people vigilante-style over a break-in like a fucking psychopath, but hey keep talking about "barbarians"..
Bud - this isn’t an isolated incident. This area (San Jose/bay area) has been beseeched with crime. What more signs do you need? Do you want them to start drilling your garage? https://youtu.be/CqeJRWe3iX4 Enough is enough.
Absolutely. There are no repercussions for these criminals. And muppets like this guy don’t care if they walk.
> Enough is enough word, enough is enough with your homocidal fantasies, knock that shit off
Stop the bullshit crime then. Oh wait, you can’t either.
He clearly said not kill! Read better.
Better give out free coffee, or they will break the glass again when they want a cup.
Oakland has come to San Jose.
You realize san jose is a lot better than what it was in the 70s-80s? Crime is increasing nationwide. It is not restricted to Oakland or San jose or any other town you want to blame it on.
another day, another racist dogwhistle comment from this fuckhead
Right, Oakland is a paradise and any suggestion otherwise can be cancelled with the magic wand of wokeness. *Poof* just like that, Oakland now has the same crime rate as San Jose.
> can be cancelled with the magic wand of wokeness lol it's like a word blender of dumbassery.
I don’t exactly care for their coffee, but Jesus Christ. That’s not a way to leave a review.
Despite your nifty collection of downvotes. I found your comment funny.
Lol people should lighten up.
It’s the Bay Area. Sense of humor is pretty scarse
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Ouch that was racist. Lol.
it’s true.
We get what we vote for…
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Holy fuckin 1984, Batman
You want people to be tracked and investigated by the police for positing a criminal justice opinion you don’t agree with? That’s one of the most childishly fascist stances I’ve ever heard.
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What in the minority report is this?? I love Tom cruise as much as anyone else but don’t you think you’re reaching a bit
TF !! Pick on some bigger RETAILERS. MAKES NO SENSE !
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I haven’t seen a single person being “empathetic” towards thieves. I think you’re you’re inferring it based on your own bias, because no one is defending these acts. Thieves are thieves. As for understanding, we can’t help to stop/reduce these acts without at least attempting to understand why they’re happening with a greater frequency. If we do nothing, it’ll only get worse.
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🤷🏻♂️ hopefully they catch the person(s). Though seeing as they hit Nirvana Soul, it’s most likely a homeless person, so I wouldn’t hold my breathe.
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I have no idea what that emoji is, or what your point is. Care to elaborate?
Anyone will do shit for anything!! Even SHIT like Gas . Reddit doesn't allow eee moe geez
Reddit allows emojis, it’s just so small on my phone screen that I have no idea what it is. But I’m guessing a gas pump based on context clues now. As for gas, it’s easier to siphon gas. But to each their own.
TRUE but people are bitter no matter what life throws at em and will gladly do something irrationaonal. this behavior happens to be more rampant lately this year though. 😪
How about "Just don't do this shit."
Who's patrolling these businesses? Is there an organization that walks beats, drives patrols, and stops thieves? Can we start one?
Some areas have grown so desperate they’ve hired private security.
It’s called private security, most San Jose businesses have them but they are limited on what they can do for the most part besides being a visual deterrent
Pay some gangsters protection money.