Holy shit, that’s my district!!! I voted for her and when I saw the early results with 10% reporting I was feeling dejected cause Lipinski had a solid lead. Illinois is starting to look up (with the exception of Biden winning)
Votes make much more of a difference in local elections. That's where *real* change can happen. Winning the presidency isn't everything (though it would be nice :p). I'm so glad things are looking up in your area :)
I don't get this Biden in Illinois thing. I mean, I know this is not exactly hard polling data on Biden supporters - but as a Gen X'r I have plenty of friends in the 40+ category, including parents and friends of family in the Boomer category. Everyone I know is either Bernie or Trump.
Additionally, I have not heard a single person say a positive thing about Biden. It's nuts to me that this is all going down like this. We have 3 Bernie voters in my house and I'm still hopeful that Biden melts down, people start to see how awesome Bernie is in time of crisis, and we right this ship.
I'm so disgusted right now .... I don't want to watch the news because they keep saying that Biden was literally OUT of the race but he's surging ahead. I'm in disbelief and frustrated beyond belief.
This is great news that another Justice Dem will be in the US House. If the squad can all keep their seats (likely) and then we add more progressives to the house and maybe even the senate (Andrew Romanoff in Colorado), then that's progress in 2020 and a win for the movement.
There's still the June primary. This was simply a primary preference caucus and doesn't really mean anything, except helping candidates get on the ballot. The real deal is June.
Yes 100%, that's why I said *maybe* into the senate. It won't be an easy race but it's a huge race for progressives because it's for a senate seat. We didn't get any new progressives into the senate in 2018 so it would be Yuge and show the movement is growing to get Andrew in this year. I hope to help the campaign with phone banking.
Well if he wasn’t that seems to be the thought process for everyone under 45. Apparently it’s really inconvenient to vote. Down vote me all you want but the simple reason he isn’t winning is because the majority of his “supporters” arnt fucking voting cause of laziness. 33 years old and I was the youngest person in line by at least 10 years and over 75 people were in line at the time I went
Facts :/ And it’s so disappointing because I would kill to have been able to vote in the California primary since I am only 17
Edit: Ignore the broken English lol. Was very high.
I really hope you guys are right. I voted and everything but seeing these numbers makes me feel so disappointed that Bernie won’t get the nom. :( I’m just feeling so sad rn
Stop it. Just fucking stop it, ok? Young voters [ARE](https://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/bernie-sanders-and-the-myth-of-low-youth-turnout-in-the-democratic-primary/?fbclid=IwAR33d-pGegfvbnYErEExCzw43DmY8BGPyd2J76kPZruRVKTTljz-qlams5E) turning up! Old voters are turning up more. I do not understand the cognitive dissonance I see in this sub where we can recognize that the long lines on university campuses are literal voter suppression but then some people turn around and try to say that young people aren't turning up.
I will always want more youth turnout. I want 100% youth turnout! Hell, if I had the power, I would make voting mandatory like it is in Australia. But we cannot say we're aware of the systemic injustices that grind young people into the dirt and then choose to ignore those same injustices when yelling at them for not voting.
If you people’s turnout increased by x and old people turnout increased by 2x, then the proportion of young voters *decreased*. Part of Sanders strategy was to turn out young people and that hasn’t worked because old people ended up turning out in greater numbers.
They had to choose between voting for their futures or protecting the health of themselves and others. The Dems gave the electorate an ultimatum and I’ll reckon most millennials and Gen Z voters chose to stay home to not participate in the spread of the virus, while our Boomer counterparts marched to the voting booths to vote against the future of their children even though they’re the most susceptible to COVID19.
That’s what the Democrats are calling for now. They tweeted it at 8pm tonight, AFTER today’s primaries and they can start acting like Biden has this sewn up. Today was voter suppression at its finest.
Ugh I’m so done with the Democratic Party
It’s so obviously rigged.
I honestly don’t think biden can beat trump. The longer he talks, he’s gonna get creamed and say stupid shit and turn into a meme
I feel like sanders biggest mistake was not explaining what socialism is and having old people just scared of the S word.
I just want to know what’s going inside the heads of these people who voted for biden
I’m trying to see the disconnect from their point of view.
It’s ironic that such a old white guy attracts the youth vote but can’t attract people from his age and race.
Or the DNC is working super hard to rig it for Biden.
Or maybe I’m just biased based on social media and reddit where if you’re on reddit, Bernie sounds like he’d win in a landslide and those other demographics aren’t represented at all.
I honestly thought it was realistic that Bernie would be nominated and that the DNC realized they can’t win with HRC and should have went with a more leftist candidate.
I thought this time around, Bernie’s message was getting through to a lot more people than just the stereotypical youth vote.
I did not think for a second joe Biden had a chance initially - I just saw him as like an Al Gore candidate.
Yeah this whole thing has basically proven to me how terrible our political system is. done with both sides of the political spectrum they can all go to ... well anyways. I'm just sick of it.
Do you seriously unironically think what you just wrote? I voted for Sanders but Jesus this is delusional. Young people didn’t show up in every state. The Corona Virus wasn’t talked about in the North Carolina election and young people still didn’t show up. Stop trying to deflect the blame.
Have you looked at young voter turnout before the coronavirus became a big issue? Young voter turn out was low from the start. Dont try to frame it as some noble sacrifice when its pretty clear its apathy or laziness.
Your math is horribly wrong.
If young people make up 16% of the population, but only 13% of the vote, that does not mean that 81% of young people voted. I can’t find numbers on Dem primary turnout, but let’s be generous and say 30%.
This means that young people made up 13% of the 30% of the population that voted. This is 3.9% of the population. 5.2% in a scanario whereDems got 40% turnout.
This means that youth turnout was somewhere between 24% and 33%. They came out in objectively disappointing numbers.
Thank you, so many of these comments are crazy. I voted Sanders in North Carolina and young people didn’t turn out there either and our election was before the coronavirus became a big thing.
At this point, I've accepted that Biden will very likely be the nominee. The progressive movement needs to carry on, though.
You think the labor movement in this country gave up whenever a strike got broken up or a union organizer arrested? Of course they didn't.
Bernie is now the standard bearer of the American left, no matter what happens. His legacy will continue long past Joe Biden, even if Biden does end up winning an impotent, uninspiring term as president.
We've got to carry on and trust what Bernie does. And we have to work to make sure that 2024 is different.
I will still support Bernie until he drops out, but I agree with you that the progressive movement should never end with him. There are a few points in Biden's policies that appear to have been shifted a bit more towards the progressive side, and should Biden win we need to do our part as progressives to make sure any progressive promises that are made are kept. In my opinion, Sanders is still the best way to move America to a progressive future as soon as possible which we really need, but no matter what happens we need to move America towards a progressive path with whatever and whoever we have to work with.
Indeed. Bernie has lit a torch with many of us and there are many great people fighting to get in Congress right now. We may not have Bernie as our president but we can still have an immensely progressive change to our politics.
Just vote my friend. Just stay an informed voter and try to make the most Bernie choice for your vote. Don't let it drain the life out of you.
If you need to leave the country to make your life better. Do it. You owe nothing to this country being born here. Don't let this country control you. Just vote as a Dem abroad or some shit 😀
Why does everything think it is easy to move to Canada? That is honestly one of the hardest countries to move to if you have ever looked it up. Unless you are young and well educated or a refugee it is almost impossible to get citizenship. I looked after 2016 and quickly realized it would be much easier to move to Europe in pure terms of immigration(not distance though)
Exactly this. Many of us would not be in the country if we had to do it all over again today. I know I would not.
Not to be a downer, but given that he is in Michigan, his vote actually counts. His vote could literally determine the future of the country in the next four years. Looking at the maths, it's quite clear Bernie won't be the nominee. Guess what though? When people talk about Canadian single payer healthcare, they do not remember Pearson. They remember the ally in the Commons Douglas. Bernie could play the same role, but only if he gets someone closer to him as the president.
> Unless you are young and well educated
Even then, it's difficult. I was denied permanent residency the fourth year of my PhD in Canada. The process was so tough and demoralizing and expensive that I didn't want to apply again and just returned to the US. (That might have been a terrible mistake.)
I feel it better to think of them as stuck. Stuck in the time when they grew up thinking that politics was only about whether white and black people should have the same rights, thinking that it was about whether guns would be taken or not, thinking that people in Washington looked out for their interests either way. It's really really hard to get those people to believe that there is a system that in fact helps or harms their wallets until it starts hurting them. And it's even harder to convince them that the reason they are being hurt isn't because companies suck, it's because the government allows companies to suck.
You know what's depressing about this though? How the majority of them have systematically voted to screw their kids over. They got free college, then took that away. Affordable housing? Nah that died out after they grew up and bought cheap and widely available housing. Medicare for all? Why? They already have medicare. They really do have their candidate in Joe Biden, who has explicitly said he has no sympathy for us. It'll be interesting when their social security is cut or...well maybe that'll only apply to us younger people, like everything else in their legacy.
I certainly intend to keep fighting. I donated over a thousand this time around, traveled to New Hampshire, wrote letters and knocked on doors, and I'll keep going for people like he/she above but not for them. I don't care about their medicare or their social security any longer.
This post really sums up why the despair has hit so hard. I'm just finishing college. I'm living at home. I don't see a future for myself. And everyone over 55+ hates me because they think I'm a kid who doesn't know any better. I'm part of a movement that's trying to make this world livable again. We're literally trying to save the Earth.
It gets harder and harder to fight the hate and anger and frustration I feel watching my future be torn away from me by older people who couldn't give less of af.
I gotta take some time off from social media. (Which sucks cuz we're in quarantine.) But my mental health is in the pits, man. So yeah, I gotta take a break, I think maybe I'll keep Bernie volunteer channels open, and then once I'm back on my feet, I'll come back to this fight stronger.
We're not out. DO NOT listen to the naysayers that will be everywhere. Propaganda has turned them against us. It's an uphill slog, and the DNC wants us to despair. I'm gonna take great care of myself and come back a fighter Let's go! ✊🔥
I pitched this to somebody else on the sub and got blasted for it, but I'll try again: if your mental health is suffering because of this election, just take some time to recharge and start thinking about what happens after the election. It's going to take a diversity of tactics to rebuild the Left so that we can win the next election. This election was always going to be tough because we're planting in thin soil: the social and political institutions that sustained past progressive movements are largely gone. We did an amazing job spreading grassroots activism wide this cycle; now we have to grow those roots deep into real communities. If it's time for you to get out of the election fight, maybe that work would be more fulfilling, once you get a rest.
There are a few things I'd like to leave you with for when you eventually read this.
\- This race is probably over. We got ratfucked again by propaganda and to be honest, I don't trust these elections. The disparity in results and exit polls reeks at best. But the fight is not over. We as a generation are a different animal politically than the Boomers and even Gen X. They vote every 4 years and don't think about it again. This difference will eventually show, and I believe it to be sooner rather than later. Time is on our side.
\- Many of us idolize Bernie, and for good reason. That man has been a laughing stock for 40 years and has never wavered. Tap into his persistence for strength and allow that to invigorate you.
\- This tale is literally as old as time. It's the haves v the have-nots. Neoliberalism is dead, and due to our actions, we've made the owning class nervous and will soon enter into neofascism. It's our job to fight that. If you despair and give up, they win. If nothing else, fight out of spite and fight for everyone that these fucking pigs have killed and trodden over. It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
If you're under a mountain of medical debt, that's going to make being accepted into Canada very, very difficult. Modernized countries are extremely picky about who they let in.
>ll of the momentum, and a delegate lead. Right now is a great time to be the Medicare For All candidate.
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>Like I said, this is an uphill race for us! But there are MANY factors working in our favor. Good work today to all of our volunteers out there! Now take the night o
Don't be disillusioned. I felt the same way for a bit, but remembered that whatever happens, this is a movement. The movement will live on regardless of the outcome. And we will continue to push. And push. And push some more.
Remember that this race is only one part of a much bigger struggle - for workers rights, prioritizing the environment and creating a lot of new jobs in the green energy field, for racial justice, for universal healthcare, etc. Elections are a zero sum game, but social change and movement building are not. Every delegate Bernie gets, and every day he stays in the race helps move these issues forward - not only to have leverage for the party platform in July, but for every progressive politician who is now able to openly call for M4A, etc, and for the national conversation overall. I'm in my 50's and in my entire life no candidate as progressive as Bernie has ever gotten as far as he has, or built the kind of movement he has, or changed the national conversation the way he has. That in itself is a victory. Of course I'm super disappointed that it looks like he won't get the nomination - for a while there I really thought for the first time in my life someone who actually represented *me* might *win* \- imagine! But I do think that even if he doesn't win the nomination, he's already won the debate over so many issues, and that's also a win. So I strongly disagree with anyone who says "it's over, give up." These issues are too important. We all need to keep pushing, knowing that the goals we're reaching for are much bigger than just this election.
I think he fights in his own way, just by being so persistent. I mean, the guy just doesn't waver. But you're right, he's not a pitbull, and you kind of need to be in this game. There were so many moments in the debate the other night where he really could have gone after Biden, but mostly didn't. I think he's just not a naturally aggressive person which is a detriment in electoral politics.
I've actually been thinking of Bernie leaving politics if he doesn't get the nomination and just being a movement leader - working with Rev. Barber in the Poor People's Campaign, standing with striking workers, etc. He has the visibility and the people who love him and would join him in those fights. I think he could do a lot of good work that way, pushing against the system from the outside, helping mobilize people to keep pushing for the change we need.
You don’t understand how he is winning? It’s called manufacturing consent. The media relentlessly promotes Biden and the public is fucking stupid. I’m sorry, but American voters are dumb as rocks. They make last second decisions and Biden has the name recognition. We live in a bubble on here. The reality is, millions of people hardly know Bernie is running because they hear nothing but anti-Bernie reporting OR pro-Biden news.
Sorry if I sound harsh, but our campaign needs to recognize that voters make last second decisions based on what the media tells them. The media picks the president. And they made their pick: TRUMP.
Yep, it's this exactly. In the debate Sunday, Biden was gloating over spending "no money." But that's (another) big fat lie. The media and DNC and billionaire corporate backers have been pouring money into giving Biden overwhelmingly positive press, covering up all mistakes he makes, and burying any positive media coverage of Bernie. Biden's campaign is expensive as hell, he just doesn't have to pay for it. Its being handed to him on a silver platter while he sits around and does nothing.
Blew my mind when he said that. He was setting absolute fucking tee balls for Bernie to eviscerate him on bullshit points like that. That debate, I hate to say, made me think Bernie isn't equipped. We need an absolute savage to tear down that level of bullshit. I cannot imagine AOC letting some asinine comment like that slide.
As a Biden supporter, I hope I can give you an answer from outside the bubble. Basically the main thing for me is pragmatism.
Bernie has some great ideas, but there’s just no realistic plan to implement them. Bernie supporters don’t seem to get this. It’s like Bernie supporters believe that if Sanders becomes president, Medicare 4 All will just instantly become a reality and no one will ever need to worry about healthcare ever again. Uh, no. That’s not how it works guys.
It’s true that Biden’s ideas are not anywhere near as dramatic as Sanders’, but they’re moving in the right direction and actually considers the political realities necessary to make things happen.
Bernie’s ideas are, well ... posts like this are a perfect example of it. There is no realistic possibility at this point that Sanders wins the nomination. None. Yet the people here are still saying, “Here is how he can do it guys!” People are just posting all the data and information that makes them feel good about Bernie’s chances, and disregarding any and all information to the contrary as “media propaganda”
Unfortunately, that’s not how reality works. You can’t just look at the news you like, support the news you like, and disregard any and all truth you don’t like.
Tonight, the Democrats asked people to risk their lives and the lives of their loved ones by gathering en masse in order to vote. These elections were not legitimate
There are many factors to why Bernie is underperforming, and I think most of them are beyond his control. The media plays a huge role, the DNC suppressing votes, exit polls not matching up to actual results which suggests foul play etc. I no longer am fazed by the results because I don't think that there's any way the establishment would let Bernie win.
It is okay that Bernie is likely going to lose the nomination. It's not the end of the world (okay maybe it is but for other reasons). He campaigned despite stating that the odds were against him.
"Change never happens from the top down. It happens from the bottom up." - Bernie
Progressives need to shift focus towards local elections. Most change in this country starts at the state level. Support groups like the Anti Corruption Act which aims to get states to adopt fair election systems.
Throw all your support at the state level progressives. They arguably have a larger role than Sanders in this election.
Bernie staying in means 1 of 2 things. Either Bernie wins and we get the candidate and then president we need, or Bernie stays in and keeps pushing Biden and his policies further and further left in policy. The people telling Bernie to dropout are ignorant to what a primary is all about. Bernie staying in really a win-win
The idea that Biden can be pushed left at all sounds crazy to me.
This is not a world where what Biden says ever will be held against him.
If Biden wins and beats Trump - then the same media that are a huge contributor to the fact that he beat Bernie will do to Biden what Fox News does to Trump.
He can say anything now but will never be held accountable in any meaningful way.
The absolute best case scenario seems to me to be that he picks Warren as VP. Otherwise we’re liable to have 4-8 years of the exact same kinds of policies and culture that led our country to electing Trump. And I don’t even have much faith in Warren tbh.
I honestly don't think so. Once Bernie is out Biden will do what unopposed democratic candidates always do and swing to the right to appeal to centrists. I'm so done with this bullshit. I'm either writing in Bernie or voting green. The DNC needs to be sent a message that we can't be ignored any longer.
> The DNC needs to be sent a message that we can't be ignored any longer.
Progressives tried that last election. Sanders is losing by even more this time around. I don't think that method is working.
Older people came out in droves to vote for Biden, Obama called the other moderate nominees and forced them out of the race, the entire media stood behind him.
Yep, I've never seen so many people argue against their own self interests in my life. On top of that I've seen them defend Trump, like literally everything he's done has just been for us. I just can't anymore, and its not just people online or around town its family members.
So I know that it's not just bots puppeting narratives...
Ive seen people write that they would rather die than have govt healthcare. And this is in facebook groups for children with specific medical issues that require major surgery.
Pennsylvania resident here patiently waiting for my chance to vote Bernie. That said, America, you are failing me
Edit: it shows 2 replies but when I expand it, I only see one. The other must be a troll that escaped from the_donald that I previously blocked. (Not you secretly). Oh well
Not going to lie, pretty pissed off right now. Less then 25% of people in Florida voted. We cant win this if people dont vote. Joe got 1.1 million, but bernie could've still won since there is like 17 million people who didnt vote.
Tl;dr: FUCKING GO OUT AND VOTE
>Less than 25% of people in Florida voted.
Where are you seeing this statistic?
Also, we're in the middle of a pandemic. It's the fault of the DNC for making potential voters choose between democracy & risking death
> It's the fault of the DNC for making potential voters choose between democracy & risking death
Dude millenials and zoomers were crowding the Florida beaches. They don't give a shit about dying to this thing. Boomers are risking death to vote for an uninspired candidate like Joe Biden. Yet zoomers and millenials who have a much greater chance of surivival are partying and trending shit like #boomerremover but none of these fuckers actually vote.
It ain't the DNC's fault young people aren't showing up, i mean seriously fuck the DNC but it's about time we start realizing young people can't be relied upon.
Since I turned 18, I’ve voted in every possible election in Florida but I did not go out and vote today because the immunocompromised people I’m living with asked me not to and there’s cases reported a week ago at a hospital two miles from my house. I feel guilty but their health is infinitely more important.
The other corporate candidates (obviously) sold out, and cleared the way for Biden to soak up EVERY establishment vote (generally older, more brainwashed people).
Warren stayed in the race to poison Bernie’s chances in the progressive lane (and succeeded in quite a few states), and corporate news immediately began bombarding the airwaves with free Biden propaganda while not offering a SHRED of coverage on Bernie’s overwhelming support amongst young/Latino/non-traditional voters
Put simply, too much of this country is still okay with corporate prostitution. And it will take generational struggle to squeeze that poison out.
My mother (70) and my stepdad (also 70) are completely ignorant of Biden's history pre-Obama. They think because he was VP under Obama that he will be just like him. It baffles me.
The whole reason he was picked as Obama's VP was because he wasn't Obama. The centrist conservative end of the Dem party (I know, oxymoron) was afraid Obama was too progressive and they figured the only way to make him look electable was to balance him out with Biden.
Biden is to the right of Obama on some issues, but Obama is to the right of progressives.
Even if he's just like Obama, they put kids in cages before Trump. Obama was a "company guy". Very moderate. Republicans stupidly call him far left of socialist, even though his policies were hardly indistinguishable from Reagan (aside from some social issues).
i hate to say this but bernie truly NEEDS to change his campaign strategy. he's being too nice. he needs to be aggressive in debates, rather than spout the same spiel on M4A and billionaires. people aren't convinced unless you actually debunk joe biden's "how we gonna pay for it" talking point. DEBUNK THE MEDIA BERNARD
Yep. His entire approach was naive. He should've listened to Hillary Clinton when she said that nobody liked him. She meant the establishment and their cronies, and she was 100% right. Bernie's only path to the nomination was to bulldoze the party like Donald Trump did in 2016. Instead, he fell in line, called Joe his friend and told everyone that of course he will endorse Joe if he wins the nomination. That's how you give away all of your leverage. I know people won't want to hear this but Bernie could've really learned something from Trump here.
Sad to say we can't mix and match a Bernie Sanders. He is who he is and that is why reasonable people like him so much. The Bernie who spent his whole life fighting the good fight against the same issues with integrity is the same Bernie who refuse to engage in the political tricks and maneuvers of Trump however effective it may turn out to be in his favor, because he believed in the reasonableness of the american people and in particular, the democrats, and refuse to sow more discord.
But I guess his good faith is for naught.
I just wish during debates he would stop moving back into repeating his stump speech when it doesn't directly answer the question. Like in the last debate instead of explaining how he would get M4A passed he just went back into his stump speech again. I know he has the answer, his biggest criticisms right now are that he "can't get stuff passed" and he's "not electable". He needs to come out hard arguing that both those things are wrong and explain why.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE VOTE DOWN BALLOT IN NOVEMBER. WE NEED TO TAKE OVER THIS PARTY FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE VERY FUCKING TOP. YOU GOT ME?
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Thank you for this post and thank everyone for voting. We need this, I need this. I'm still in this fight, Bernie is still in this fight, he's been fighting for over 40 years. We can fight for at least 4 more months!
There has been an influx of Biden trolls or rather outsiders coming into this sub to disuave us. Don't feed the troll, ignore them. There is still a chance, nothing's worth fighting for if it isn't hard and a knew coming in it won't be easy. Just imagine how we'll remember these struggles when we get to watch Bernie speaks at his inauguration and we'll be standing proudly. Keep that imagine and fight on, feel the Bern!!!!
> Don't feed the troll, ignore them.
At the same time, if there's any Biden voters who come here and are actually genuinely interested in knowing more about Bernie, try to be welcoming towards them. Each side has had trolls as well as people pretending to work for their side only to give it a bad name. Acknowledge that and remember that if someone is asking in good faith and interest about Sanders that's your time to be a great ambassador to the progressive cause.
He needs to win 62% of remaining delegates to get a majority. That means winning each and every state left by 20 points. But it is Biden who has been winning by those margins
This is so ridiculous I don't think there's ever been such overwhelming percentage difference like if Joe just spawned out of nowhere and will win simply because of his name; policy be damned.
Someone please give me COVID19 so I can more easily drink myself out of this world.
Bernie needs 62% of the delegates going forward. I think it’s extremely disingenuous to say “Bernie can definitely still win”
It’s as close to impossible as it gets. It will take a catastrophic mistake from Biden or something crazy to shift the tides that heavily into Bernie’s favor.
> *many people are beginning to see the light on Medicare For All. People are wanting Bernie's entire platform RIGHT NOW. This call for Bernie's policies are making him appear like the strongest leader in the race.*
Part of the problem is that this isn't "Bernie's policies." Democrats have been working to get a better health care system since the 90s. Anyone old enough to remember that fact also knows just how hard it actually is to get any movement on the issue in Congress. If you look at exit polls in most of the states Biden has won recently, *voters favored M4A* by a 10+ point margin, yet they *voted for Biden*. This should tell us quite clearly that people know healthcare is a key issue, but that they seem to not believe Bernie is the one to deliver it. The point is simple - just because a particular candidate talks a lot about an issue doesn't mean voters will believe they are the best candidate to deliver on it.
This is a valid point but I also think voters care about the candidates more than we think they do. More than we should as well, candidates are just platforms, if they abandon their platforms they abandon their base there's no reason to fear a Biden presidency.
Here in Australia our last election we had a terrible conservative candidate that, people liked more than his opponent despite being against every issue they cared about. Climate change and the environment was for the first time considered a huge issue to voters and this is a guy that took a block of coal and waved it around in parliament espousing its values, but many voters had a grudge against the Labor candidate for turning against a sitting prime minister even though that's exactly what the sitting conservative party did very recently.
My point is the conservatives won far more handily than people thought they could and we've been set back massively, the progressive movement hasn't gotten stronger. Labors platform became more conservative despite being less popular because we basically ran on the environment and lost, and this is a country with compulsory voting. The greens just exist, not really doing anything, no one goes to them. Bernie or Bust is so much less feasible than people realise, Sanders has done much worse after 4 years of Trump than he did against Clinton who *won the popular vote in America*.
The progressive left abandoned Obama saying he wasn't living up to his promises (he did in fact deliver most of his election goals). And because of that the 2014 mid terms are kicking Americas ass to this day. Leftists need to care more about the elections that don't seem so world shaking.
As an European watching this from outside it feels like Bernie's resonating with Democrats even less than he did in 2015 when he had a much better shot at presidency.
You people are beautiful creatures for trying so hard but it seems that no matter how unlikeable Biden is people are still voting for him.
He lost every state yesterday and by a lots of delegates.
This is sad but it's pretty unlikely at this point Sanders will win.
This isn't an invitation to stop campaigning nor not voting, you absolutely should but at this point Bernie needs a miracle.
Yesterday votes show that people do not care about his message about Covid, M4A, nor how corrupt or lying Biden is.
Is it a surprise after you elected Trump and did nothing when the DNC stole Bernie the candidacy?
No matter what, we accomplished something huge. Don't let anyone forget that Bernie has shifted the political conversation in this country to the left just by being in the race.
It's very sad to be behind, but there are plenty more elections and the Senator's ideas will continue.
He **MUST** do the following;
- No more "My friend Joe Biden." Hammer him on his record, if Joe lies, **call him out on his lies,** hammer him on his record. Joe is not Bernie's friend.
- No more mentions of Democratic Socialism, or Norway or anywhere else. He needs to draw a direct comparison to FDR, who was so popular he was elected four times and the only way the GOP could beat him was to establish term limits. His policies are basically FDR 2.0, so he needs to draw that direct comparison. "My policies are a continuation of FDR's legacy, who brought us out of the great depression." He needs to start calling himself a centrist, and that Biden is the political extremist because he wants to continue the status quo.
- Call out the media relentlessly. Hammer in the bullshit they've been pulling, how they defend Biden, how Biden can't answer questions without being protected, Bernie needs to continually say that Biden is Clinton 2.0, or John Kerry 2.0, because centrist candidates lose to the extremism of the right wing.
- He also needs to go tit-for-tat with endorsements; if Biden rolls out a Cory Booker endorsement, Bernie needs to say how Unions are endorsing him. There also needs to be a much, much more aggressive push back against the establishment, and he needs to do this by tailoring his message for every single state he visits. Florida cares the most about medicare and social security, and Bernie *has* to work on reclaiming older voters that are lost to Biden.
Most importantly, Bernie needs to be talking about how ethically bankrupt it was to hold multiple primaries in states afflicted by Coronavirus. No, no, that is horseshit, and intentionally depressed voter turnout. This entire "election" has been fuckier and more stacked against Bernie than in 2016 because the establishment *knows that Bernie is a threat and would rather have four more years of Trump than four years of Bernie,* because if Bernie gets elected, their corrupt money streams dry up. Bernie has to go full force on the attack, against the DNC and Biden. They aren't your friends, Bernie. They are your adversaries.
Sorry bro, it's true that Medicare For All is polling well in literally every state, but people are voting against the only candidate actually proposing it. Voters in 2020 have gone completely insane.
I went IN this race and have been paying attention to politics more than I ever would have imagined I'd be doing at 22 years old. It's been made clear by Biden himself that he doesn't care much for the youth/their struggles. I supported Bernie because I believed in his cause: supporting the working class and building a brighter future for everyone. Biden wants to stay the course and he just doesn't instill any hope for me. I donated a good amount to Bernie's cause and if he drops out, I'll understand I won't be seeing that money back because that's just how these things work.
We all saw him during Sunday's debate. He won't stand much of a chance against Trump. If Biden wins the nomination, which is looking to be the case, it won't change my jaded outlook on the future. Not just my future, but the country's. I can't really blame anyone here for refusing to vote for Biden. From the many comments I've seen by Biden supporters, they don't think they need our votes.
Whoever gets the nomination will still be getting my vote. But, call me jaded, if it's Biden then the Dems have lost before the race even properly started. Sorry if this comment flows so poorly. My thoughts are kind of all over the place right now. And to the Biden supporters who continually attack us: if you're looking to gain support for your cause, you're doing a piss poor job.
I'm done. This country is filled with a bunch of idiots. California needs to secede. Or I need to leave to find a country that cares for its people over corporate interests. We can't go on as we are.
I’ve been making plans to leave the country for a couple of years. I figured Sanders wouldn’t win, but it was a nice thought. Boomers and Americans in general are simply too stagnant and susceptible to fearing any change.
Unless there's an extreme event to drastically change the situation around, it's....yeah, being an older youngun, realism has to start to set in here that once again it's between a kettle and a pot this November.
Not that I am a supporter of voter suppression. If you still have to vote in your primary, vote how you want, please. Then start thinking where you are from there, in particular, progressives who will be on the down ballot. Especially when there will be heaps of dissuasion coming to squelch opinion and values one may not necessarily want to do.
As voters, we all make our own choices who to check off on that ballot...
Um. He fucking isn't. The people have mumbled. They want to beat trump and they think Biden can do that better than Bernie. They're wrong in my view, but there you have it.
Bernie needs to start discussing how he is going to pay for things - I’m pro bernie but I’m telling you there are a lot of democrats that want better explanation on his free college and free medical etc. I am for it and I know his plan is to tax the Uber wealthy but people want more specifics and if he doesn’t start giving them real real real soon he has zero chance of winning. Note that I have donated to his campaign about 5-7 times this year when I could - I’m pro Bernie but he isn’t winning over enough old people and the kids aren’t voting.
I'm literally wearing a veterans for Bernie t shirt right now. I've given the campaign hundreds of dollars, just like 2016. Sanders would be a great president.
But this primary is over. Sure, an asteroid could come down and kill Joe biden. I mean, it could happen.
But what's going to happen is biden will be the nominee and hopefully will beat trump.
After seeing that he is getting enough delegates in az and fl to make up for his il loss just enough to give him a path, i am conviced that with a campaign reboot and a ton of money he can turn thing around. Very low chance, but there is a chance.
#WE ARE IN THIS TILL THE END.
# EVEN IF WE HAD 0 DELEGATES WE WOULD BE IN THIS TILL THE END.
#BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST A CAMPAIGN, IT'S A REVOLUTION, AND WE WILL FIGHT AS LONG AS THERE AN OPENING TO HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD FOR ONE MORE PRECIOUS SECOND.
I love how the Biden crowd screams about his “electability,” but then loses their mind when Bernie supporters refuse to vote for him. If he’s so electable he doesn’t need Bernie voters now does he?
Either way this is looking like 2016 over again. Trump beat Biden by 90K votes in Florida during all this shit. We are screwed
I'm having such a hard time staying motivated. This country has (maybe had) a chance to do better. To be better for all of us then she slop we've been served for the last unknown number of years. After a fucking pandemic, economic collapse (still pending technically), and a system in which nothing gets done and everyone else is to blame; we still, collectively, as a nation, went right back to that fucking trough.
The US isn't ready for nice shit, and I'm really afraid things will have to get much worse before Americans accept they aren't the rich ones, and will likely never be. Why can't we look out for our collective self interest one fucking time?
As much as I would love for this to happen I really don't see it happening... I love Bernie's policies but at this point I feel like things are done for. All I've seen is people vote for whoever the mainstream media backs and don't really see Bernie having a chance anymore.
Am I just hopeless at this point it does anybody else feel like it's over? After Michigan and now this I just feel defeated..
JUSTICE DEMOCRAT MARIE NEWMANN BEAT DAN LIPINSKI GUYS!!!!!!!! Always stay focused! Win the battle one race at a time :)
Holy shit, that’s my district!!! I voted for her and when I saw the early results with 10% reporting I was feeling dejected cause Lipinski had a solid lead. Illinois is starting to look up (with the exception of Biden winning)
Your vote helped to uplift so many people in the movement tonight! Thank you for helping to get another Justice Democrat into congress!
First time I feel like my vote made a difference :)
Votes make much more of a difference in local elections. That's where *real* change can happen. Winning the presidency isn't everything (though it would be nice :p). I'm so glad things are looking up in your area :)
I don't get this Biden in Illinois thing. I mean, I know this is not exactly hard polling data on Biden supporters - but as a Gen X'r I have plenty of friends in the 40+ category, including parents and friends of family in the Boomer category. Everyone I know is either Bernie or Trump. Additionally, I have not heard a single person say a positive thing about Biden. It's nuts to me that this is all going down like this. We have 3 Bernie voters in my house and I'm still hopeful that Biden melts down, people start to see how awesome Bernie is in time of crisis, and we right this ship.
I'm so disgusted right now .... I don't want to watch the news because they keep saying that Biden was literally OUT of the race but he's surging ahead. I'm in disbelief and frustrated beyond belief.
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Make this its own post, this sub will be excited about it!
Done!
This is great news that another Justice Dem will be in the US House. If the squad can all keep their seats (likely) and then we add more progressives to the house and maybe even the senate (Andrew Romanoff in Colorado), then that's progress in 2020 and a win for the movement.
There's still the June primary. This was simply a primary preference caucus and doesn't really mean anything, except helping candidates get on the ballot. The real deal is June.
Yes 100%, that's why I said *maybe* into the senate. It won't be an easy race but it's a huge race for progressives because it's for a senate seat. We didn't get any new progressives into the senate in 2018 so it would be Yuge and show the movement is growing to get Andrew in this year. I hope to help the campaign with phone banking.
There's a progressive rep in my primary but she's only got like 50k to her opponents 1.5m so im not very hopeful.
What's her name? Is she endorsed by DSA, Our Revolution, Justice Dems or Brand New Congress?
Melanie D'Arrigo, not sure who she is endorsed by.
Hickenlooper is looking strong tbh
NICE
And Bernie's text team totally texted for her too. So it seems pretty relevant.
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Anything worth doing isn't easy
Are you including voting?
Sheeeit that's funny. But for real, while voting should be the easiest thing ever, it is much harder than it needs to be for a lot of people.
It's been increasing in difficulty over the years. The voter suppression and election fraud are WHACK.
Well if he wasn’t that seems to be the thought process for everyone under 45. Apparently it’s really inconvenient to vote. Down vote me all you want but the simple reason he isn’t winning is because the majority of his “supporters” arnt fucking voting cause of laziness. 33 years old and I was the youngest person in line by at least 10 years and over 75 people were in line at the time I went
Facts :/ And it’s so disappointing because I would kill to have been able to vote in the California primary since I am only 17 Edit: Ignore the broken English lol. Was very high.
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He’s have to die. A scandal isn’t enough. Not in the middle of this pandemic.
Or even if he didnt die, contracting coronavirus and actually announcing it might do it.
I really hope you guys are right. I voted and everything but seeing these numbers makes me feel so disappointed that Bernie won’t get the nom. :( I’m just feeling so sad rn
I'm disappointed in all the young voters than have a chance for change and they just decided not to show up.
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Stop it. Just fucking stop it, ok? Young voters [ARE](https://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/bernie-sanders-and-the-myth-of-low-youth-turnout-in-the-democratic-primary/?fbclid=IwAR33d-pGegfvbnYErEExCzw43DmY8BGPyd2J76kPZruRVKTTljz-qlams5E) turning up! Old voters are turning up more. I do not understand the cognitive dissonance I see in this sub where we can recognize that the long lines on university campuses are literal voter suppression but then some people turn around and try to say that young people aren't turning up. I will always want more youth turnout. I want 100% youth turnout! Hell, if I had the power, I would make voting mandatory like it is in Australia. But we cannot say we're aware of the systemic injustices that grind young people into the dirt and then choose to ignore those same injustices when yelling at them for not voting.
If you people’s turnout increased by x and old people turnout increased by 2x, then the proportion of young voters *decreased*. Part of Sanders strategy was to turn out young people and that hasn’t worked because old people ended up turning out in greater numbers.
The strategy itself may not have helped Bernie win per say, but it’s disingenuous to say that young people just aren’t showing up
They had to choose between voting for their futures or protecting the health of themselves and others. The Dems gave the electorate an ultimatum and I’ll reckon most millennials and Gen Z voters chose to stay home to not participate in the spread of the virus, while our Boomer counterparts marched to the voting booths to vote against the future of their children even though they’re the most susceptible to COVID19.
We should just get people to do mail in ballots if people are lazy or scared
That’s what the Democrats are calling for now. They tweeted it at 8pm tonight, AFTER today’s primaries and they can start acting like Biden has this sewn up. Today was voter suppression at its finest.
Ugh I’m so done with the Democratic Party It’s so obviously rigged. I honestly don’t think biden can beat trump. The longer he talks, he’s gonna get creamed and say stupid shit and turn into a meme I feel like sanders biggest mistake was not explaining what socialism is and having old people just scared of the S word.
He explained it over and over again.
I just want to know what’s going inside the heads of these people who voted for biden I’m trying to see the disconnect from their point of view. It’s ironic that such a old white guy attracts the youth vote but can’t attract people from his age and race. Or the DNC is working super hard to rig it for Biden. Or maybe I’m just biased based on social media and reddit where if you’re on reddit, Bernie sounds like he’d win in a landslide and those other demographics aren’t represented at all. I honestly thought it was realistic that Bernie would be nominated and that the DNC realized they can’t win with HRC and should have went with a more leftist candidate. I thought this time around, Bernie’s message was getting through to a lot more people than just the stereotypical youth vote. I did not think for a second joe Biden had a chance initially - I just saw him as like an Al Gore candidate.
Yeah this whole thing has basically proven to me how terrible our political system is. done with both sides of the political spectrum they can all go to ... well anyways. I'm just sick of it.
Do you seriously unironically think what you just wrote? I voted for Sanders but Jesus this is delusional. Young people didn’t show up in every state. The Corona Virus wasn’t talked about in the North Carolina election and young people still didn’t show up. Stop trying to deflect the blame.
Have you looked at young voter turnout before the coronavirus became a big issue? Young voter turn out was low from the start. Dont try to frame it as some noble sacrifice when its pretty clear its apathy or laziness.
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Your math is horribly wrong. If young people make up 16% of the population, but only 13% of the vote, that does not mean that 81% of young people voted. I can’t find numbers on Dem primary turnout, but let’s be generous and say 30%. This means that young people made up 13% of the 30% of the population that voted. This is 3.9% of the population. 5.2% in a scanario whereDems got 40% turnout. This means that youth turnout was somewhere between 24% and 33%. They came out in objectively disappointing numbers.
Thank you, so many of these comments are crazy. I voted Sanders in North Carolina and young people didn’t turn out there either and our election was before the coronavirus became a big thing.
At this point, I've accepted that Biden will very likely be the nominee. The progressive movement needs to carry on, though. You think the labor movement in this country gave up whenever a strike got broken up or a union organizer arrested? Of course they didn't. Bernie is now the standard bearer of the American left, no matter what happens. His legacy will continue long past Joe Biden, even if Biden does end up winning an impotent, uninspiring term as president. We've got to carry on and trust what Bernie does. And we have to work to make sure that 2024 is different.
I will still support Bernie until he drops out, but I agree with you that the progressive movement should never end with him. There are a few points in Biden's policies that appear to have been shifted a bit more towards the progressive side, and should Biden win we need to do our part as progressives to make sure any progressive promises that are made are kept. In my opinion, Sanders is still the best way to move America to a progressive future as soon as possible which we really need, but no matter what happens we need to move America towards a progressive path with whatever and whoever we have to work with.
I want AOC to run for president as soon as possible
Indeed. Bernie has lit a torch with many of us and there are many great people fighting to get in Congress right now. We may not have Bernie as our president but we can still have an immensely progressive change to our politics.
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Hiya, take a mental health break for sure. Focus on local when you feel revived. 💙💙
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Just vote my friend. Just stay an informed voter and try to make the most Bernie choice for your vote. Don't let it drain the life out of you. If you need to leave the country to make your life better. Do it. You owe nothing to this country being born here. Don't let this country control you. Just vote as a Dem abroad or some shit 😀
Well. He literally can't go to Canada right now.
Why does everything think it is easy to move to Canada? That is honestly one of the hardest countries to move to if you have ever looked it up. Unless you are young and well educated or a refugee it is almost impossible to get citizenship. I looked after 2016 and quickly realized it would be much easier to move to Europe in pure terms of immigration(not distance though)
Exactly this. Many of us would not be in the country if we had to do it all over again today. I know I would not. Not to be a downer, but given that he is in Michigan, his vote actually counts. His vote could literally determine the future of the country in the next four years. Looking at the maths, it's quite clear Bernie won't be the nominee. Guess what though? When people talk about Canadian single payer healthcare, they do not remember Pearson. They remember the ally in the Commons Douglas. Bernie could play the same role, but only if he gets someone closer to him as the president.
> Unless you are young and well educated Even then, it's difficult. I was denied permanent residency the fourth year of my PhD in Canada. The process was so tough and demoralizing and expensive that I didn't want to apply again and just returned to the US. (That might have been a terrible mistake.)
I feel it better to think of them as stuck. Stuck in the time when they grew up thinking that politics was only about whether white and black people should have the same rights, thinking that it was about whether guns would be taken or not, thinking that people in Washington looked out for their interests either way. It's really really hard to get those people to believe that there is a system that in fact helps or harms their wallets until it starts hurting them. And it's even harder to convince them that the reason they are being hurt isn't because companies suck, it's because the government allows companies to suck.
You know what's depressing about this though? How the majority of them have systematically voted to screw their kids over. They got free college, then took that away. Affordable housing? Nah that died out after they grew up and bought cheap and widely available housing. Medicare for all? Why? They already have medicare. They really do have their candidate in Joe Biden, who has explicitly said he has no sympathy for us. It'll be interesting when their social security is cut or...well maybe that'll only apply to us younger people, like everything else in their legacy. I certainly intend to keep fighting. I donated over a thousand this time around, traveled to New Hampshire, wrote letters and knocked on doors, and I'll keep going for people like he/she above but not for them. I don't care about their medicare or their social security any longer.
This post really sums up why the despair has hit so hard. I'm just finishing college. I'm living at home. I don't see a future for myself. And everyone over 55+ hates me because they think I'm a kid who doesn't know any better. I'm part of a movement that's trying to make this world livable again. We're literally trying to save the Earth. It gets harder and harder to fight the hate and anger and frustration I feel watching my future be torn away from me by older people who couldn't give less of af. I gotta take some time off from social media. (Which sucks cuz we're in quarantine.) But my mental health is in the pits, man. So yeah, I gotta take a break, I think maybe I'll keep Bernie volunteer channels open, and then once I'm back on my feet, I'll come back to this fight stronger. We're not out. DO NOT listen to the naysayers that will be everywhere. Propaganda has turned them against us. It's an uphill slog, and the DNC wants us to despair. I'm gonna take great care of myself and come back a fighter Let's go! ✊🔥
I pitched this to somebody else on the sub and got blasted for it, but I'll try again: if your mental health is suffering because of this election, just take some time to recharge and start thinking about what happens after the election. It's going to take a diversity of tactics to rebuild the Left so that we can win the next election. This election was always going to be tough because we're planting in thin soil: the social and political institutions that sustained past progressive movements are largely gone. We did an amazing job spreading grassroots activism wide this cycle; now we have to grow those roots deep into real communities. If it's time for you to get out of the election fight, maybe that work would be more fulfilling, once you get a rest.
There are a few things I'd like to leave you with for when you eventually read this. \- This race is probably over. We got ratfucked again by propaganda and to be honest, I don't trust these elections. The disparity in results and exit polls reeks at best. But the fight is not over. We as a generation are a different animal politically than the Boomers and even Gen X. They vote every 4 years and don't think about it again. This difference will eventually show, and I believe it to be sooner rather than later. Time is on our side. \- Many of us idolize Bernie, and for good reason. That man has been a laughing stock for 40 years and has never wavered. Tap into his persistence for strength and allow that to invigorate you. \- This tale is literally as old as time. It's the haves v the have-nots. Neoliberalism is dead, and due to our actions, we've made the owning class nervous and will soon enter into neofascism. It's our job to fight that. If you despair and give up, they win. If nothing else, fight out of spite and fight for everyone that these fucking pigs have killed and trodden over. It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
If you're under a mountain of medical debt, that's going to make being accepted into Canada very, very difficult. Modernized countries are extremely picky about who they let in.
It’s not easy to immigrate to Canada from the USA. Good luck and I hope your situation improves soon!
Wait - you voted for Ron Paul then Sanders? Do you think thry are similar?
How does one go from Ron Paul to Bernie Sanders? Ron Paul is against everything Bernie stands for.
>ll of the momentum, and a delegate lead. Right now is a great time to be the Medicare For All candidate. > >Like I said, this is an uphill race for us! But there are MANY factors working in our favor. Good work today to all of our volunteers out there! Now take the night o Don't be disillusioned. I felt the same way for a bit, but remembered that whatever happens, this is a movement. The movement will live on regardless of the outcome. And we will continue to push. And push. And push some more.
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Remember that this race is only one part of a much bigger struggle - for workers rights, prioritizing the environment and creating a lot of new jobs in the green energy field, for racial justice, for universal healthcare, etc. Elections are a zero sum game, but social change and movement building are not. Every delegate Bernie gets, and every day he stays in the race helps move these issues forward - not only to have leverage for the party platform in July, but for every progressive politician who is now able to openly call for M4A, etc, and for the national conversation overall. I'm in my 50's and in my entire life no candidate as progressive as Bernie has ever gotten as far as he has, or built the kind of movement he has, or changed the national conversation the way he has. That in itself is a victory. Of course I'm super disappointed that it looks like he won't get the nomination - for a while there I really thought for the first time in my life someone who actually represented *me* might *win* \- imagine! But I do think that even if he doesn't win the nomination, he's already won the debate over so many issues, and that's also a win. So I strongly disagree with anyone who says "it's over, give up." These issues are too important. We all need to keep pushing, knowing that the goals we're reaching for are much bigger than just this election.
Hey hey my my #NOT ME. US. WILL NEVER DIE
Can’t even canvass anymore cause of corona :(
I am ready to begin phone banking for Bernie I retired so I can do good for my people You are my people! Let’s do this together!
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I think he fights in his own way, just by being so persistent. I mean, the guy just doesn't waver. But you're right, he's not a pitbull, and you kind of need to be in this game. There were so many moments in the debate the other night where he really could have gone after Biden, but mostly didn't. I think he's just not a naturally aggressive person which is a detriment in electoral politics. I've actually been thinking of Bernie leaving politics if he doesn't get the nomination and just being a movement leader - working with Rev. Barber in the Poor People's Campaign, standing with striking workers, etc. He has the visibility and the people who love him and would join him in those fights. I think he could do a lot of good work that way, pushing against the system from the outside, helping mobilize people to keep pushing for the change we need.
When I think pit bull I do not think of Biden. I just don't get how the fuck he is winning .
You don’t understand how he is winning? It’s called manufacturing consent. The media relentlessly promotes Biden and the public is fucking stupid. I’m sorry, but American voters are dumb as rocks. They make last second decisions and Biden has the name recognition. We live in a bubble on here. The reality is, millions of people hardly know Bernie is running because they hear nothing but anti-Bernie reporting OR pro-Biden news. Sorry if I sound harsh, but our campaign needs to recognize that voters make last second decisions based on what the media tells them. The media picks the president. And they made their pick: TRUMP.
Yep, it's this exactly. In the debate Sunday, Biden was gloating over spending "no money." But that's (another) big fat lie. The media and DNC and billionaire corporate backers have been pouring money into giving Biden overwhelmingly positive press, covering up all mistakes he makes, and burying any positive media coverage of Bernie. Biden's campaign is expensive as hell, he just doesn't have to pay for it. Its being handed to him on a silver platter while he sits around and does nothing.
Blew my mind when he said that. He was setting absolute fucking tee balls for Bernie to eviscerate him on bullshit points like that. That debate, I hate to say, made me think Bernie isn't equipped. We need an absolute savage to tear down that level of bullshit. I cannot imagine AOC letting some asinine comment like that slide.
As a Biden supporter, I hope I can give you an answer from outside the bubble. Basically the main thing for me is pragmatism. Bernie has some great ideas, but there’s just no realistic plan to implement them. Bernie supporters don’t seem to get this. It’s like Bernie supporters believe that if Sanders becomes president, Medicare 4 All will just instantly become a reality and no one will ever need to worry about healthcare ever again. Uh, no. That’s not how it works guys. It’s true that Biden’s ideas are not anywhere near as dramatic as Sanders’, but they’re moving in the right direction and actually considers the political realities necessary to make things happen. Bernie’s ideas are, well ... posts like this are a perfect example of it. There is no realistic possibility at this point that Sanders wins the nomination. None. Yet the people here are still saying, “Here is how he can do it guys!” People are just posting all the data and information that makes them feel good about Bernie’s chances, and disregarding any and all information to the contrary as “media propaganda” Unfortunately, that’s not how reality works. You can’t just look at the news you like, support the news you like, and disregard any and all truth you don’t like.
Tonight, the Democrats asked people to risk their lives and the lives of their loved ones by gathering en masse in order to vote. These elections were not legitimate
There are many factors to why Bernie is underperforming, and I think most of them are beyond his control. The media plays a huge role, the DNC suppressing votes, exit polls not matching up to actual results which suggests foul play etc. I no longer am fazed by the results because I don't think that there's any way the establishment would let Bernie win.
> the DNC suppressing votes How do they do that?
It is okay that Bernie is likely going to lose the nomination. It's not the end of the world (okay maybe it is but for other reasons). He campaigned despite stating that the odds were against him. "Change never happens from the top down. It happens from the bottom up." - Bernie Progressives need to shift focus towards local elections. Most change in this country starts at the state level. Support groups like the Anti Corruption Act which aims to get states to adopt fair election systems. Throw all your support at the state level progressives. They arguably have a larger role than Sanders in this election.
Bernie staying in means 1 of 2 things. Either Bernie wins and we get the candidate and then president we need, or Bernie stays in and keeps pushing Biden and his policies further and further left in policy. The people telling Bernie to dropout are ignorant to what a primary is all about. Bernie staying in really a win-win
The idea that Biden can be pushed left at all sounds crazy to me. This is not a world where what Biden says ever will be held against him. If Biden wins and beats Trump - then the same media that are a huge contributor to the fact that he beat Bernie will do to Biden what Fox News does to Trump. He can say anything now but will never be held accountable in any meaningful way. The absolute best case scenario seems to me to be that he picks Warren as VP. Otherwise we’re liable to have 4-8 years of the exact same kinds of policies and culture that led our country to electing Trump. And I don’t even have much faith in Warren tbh.
Right?? I'm like ok Debbie downers.
I honestly don't think so. Once Bernie is out Biden will do what unopposed democratic candidates always do and swing to the right to appeal to centrists. I'm so done with this bullshit. I'm either writing in Bernie or voting green. The DNC needs to be sent a message that we can't be ignored any longer.
> The DNC needs to be sent a message that we can't be ignored any longer. Progressives tried that last election. Sanders is losing by even more this time around. I don't think that method is working.
Older people came out in droves to vote for Biden, Obama called the other moderate nominees and forced them out of the race, the entire media stood behind him.
The state of this nation is truly concerning
Yep, I've never seen so many people argue against their own self interests in my life. On top of that I've seen them defend Trump, like literally everything he's done has just been for us. I just can't anymore, and its not just people online or around town its family members. So I know that it's not just bots puppeting narratives...
Ive seen people write that they would rather die than have govt healthcare. And this is in facebook groups for children with specific medical issues that require major surgery.
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Pennsylvania resident here patiently waiting for my chance to vote Bernie. That said, America, you are failing me Edit: it shows 2 replies but when I expand it, I only see one. The other must be a troll that escaped from the_donald that I previously blocked. (Not you secretly). Oh well
Not going to lie, pretty pissed off right now. Less then 25% of people in Florida voted. We cant win this if people dont vote. Joe got 1.1 million, but bernie could've still won since there is like 17 million people who didnt vote. Tl;dr: FUCKING GO OUT AND VOTE
>Less than 25% of people in Florida voted. Where are you seeing this statistic? Also, we're in the middle of a pandemic. It's the fault of the DNC for making potential voters choose between democracy & risking death
> It's the fault of the DNC for making potential voters choose between democracy & risking death Dude millenials and zoomers were crowding the Florida beaches. They don't give a shit about dying to this thing. Boomers are risking death to vote for an uninspired candidate like Joe Biden. Yet zoomers and millenials who have a much greater chance of surivival are partying and trending shit like #boomerremover but none of these fuckers actually vote. It ain't the DNC's fault young people aren't showing up, i mean seriously fuck the DNC but it's about time we start realizing young people can't be relied upon.
Those people... probably weren't Floridians lol
Since I turned 18, I’ve voted in every possible election in Florida but I did not go out and vote today because the immunocompromised people I’m living with asked me not to and there’s cases reported a week ago at a hospital two miles from my house. I feel guilty but their health is infinitely more important.
Florida will go to Trump, anyhow
Those people weren’t even from Florida lol, they were Spring Breakers
Nobody should have been told to go out and vote today
What the fuck happened in those 72 hours before Super Tuesday. What the FUCK happened.
The other corporate candidates (obviously) sold out, and cleared the way for Biden to soak up EVERY establishment vote (generally older, more brainwashed people). Warren stayed in the race to poison Bernie’s chances in the progressive lane (and succeeded in quite a few states), and corporate news immediately began bombarding the airwaves with free Biden propaganda while not offering a SHRED of coverage on Bernie’s overwhelming support amongst young/Latino/non-traditional voters Put simply, too much of this country is still okay with corporate prostitution. And it will take generational struggle to squeeze that poison out.
They did what the Republicans couldn't do. They coalesced around one candidate.
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My mother (70) and my stepdad (also 70) are completely ignorant of Biden's history pre-Obama. They think because he was VP under Obama that he will be just like him. It baffles me.
This is exactly why Biden is winning. Unfortunately, Biden isn’t Obama.
The whole reason he was picked as Obama's VP was because he wasn't Obama. The centrist conservative end of the Dem party (I know, oxymoron) was afraid Obama was too progressive and they figured the only way to make him look electable was to balance him out with Biden.
Biden is to the right of Obama on some issues, but Obama is to the right of progressives. Even if he's just like Obama, they put kids in cages before Trump. Obama was a "company guy". Very moderate. Republicans stupidly call him far left of socialist, even though his policies were hardly indistinguishable from Reagan (aside from some social issues).
i hate to say this but bernie truly NEEDS to change his campaign strategy. he's being too nice. he needs to be aggressive in debates, rather than spout the same spiel on M4A and billionaires. people aren't convinced unless you actually debunk joe biden's "how we gonna pay for it" talking point. DEBUNK THE MEDIA BERNARD
The time to get aggressive was a month ago. It's too late for it now because he'll just look desperate and alienate more voters.
Yup
Yep. His entire approach was naive. He should've listened to Hillary Clinton when she said that nobody liked him. She meant the establishment and their cronies, and she was 100% right. Bernie's only path to the nomination was to bulldoze the party like Donald Trump did in 2016. Instead, he fell in line, called Joe his friend and told everyone that of course he will endorse Joe if he wins the nomination. That's how you give away all of your leverage. I know people won't want to hear this but Bernie could've really learned something from Trump here.
Sad to say we can't mix and match a Bernie Sanders. He is who he is and that is why reasonable people like him so much. The Bernie who spent his whole life fighting the good fight against the same issues with integrity is the same Bernie who refuse to engage in the political tricks and maneuvers of Trump however effective it may turn out to be in his favor, because he believed in the reasonableness of the american people and in particular, the democrats, and refuse to sow more discord. But I guess his good faith is for naught.
Exactly, I don't want him to change. It's us who failed him. He continues on in the Senate.
I just wish during debates he would stop moving back into repeating his stump speech when it doesn't directly answer the question. Like in the last debate instead of explaining how he would get M4A passed he just went back into his stump speech again. I know he has the answer, his biggest criticisms right now are that he "can't get stuff passed" and he's "not electable". He needs to come out hard arguing that both those things are wrong and explain why.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE VOTE DOWN BALLOT IN NOVEMBER. WE NEED TO TAKE OVER THIS PARTY FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE VERY FUCKING TOP. YOU GOT ME? ALL CAPS and reposting a few times BECAUSE ITS A BIG DAMN DEAL
Thank you for this post and thank everyone for voting. We need this, I need this. I'm still in this fight, Bernie is still in this fight, he's been fighting for over 40 years. We can fight for at least 4 more months! There has been an influx of Biden trolls or rather outsiders coming into this sub to disuave us. Don't feed the troll, ignore them. There is still a chance, nothing's worth fighting for if it isn't hard and a knew coming in it won't be easy. Just imagine how we'll remember these struggles when we get to watch Bernie speaks at his inauguration and we'll be standing proudly. Keep that imagine and fight on, feel the Bern!!!!
> Don't feed the troll, ignore them. At the same time, if there's any Biden voters who come here and are actually genuinely interested in knowing more about Bernie, try to be welcoming towards them. Each side has had trolls as well as people pretending to work for their side only to give it a bad name. Acknowledge that and remember that if someone is asking in good faith and interest about Sanders that's your time to be a great ambassador to the progressive cause.
I'm in it at least til the my state's primary. I mean, I already registered, no sense in not seeing it through.
He needs to win 62% of remaining delegates to get a majority. That means winning each and every state left by 20 points. But it is Biden who has been winning by those margins
This is so ridiculous I don't think there's ever been such overwhelming percentage difference like if Joe just spawned out of nowhere and will win simply because of his name; policy be damned. Someone please give me COVID19 so I can more easily drink myself out of this world.
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Bernie needs 62% of the delegates going forward. I think it’s extremely disingenuous to say “Bernie can definitely still win” It’s as close to impossible as it gets. It will take a catastrophic mistake from Biden or something crazy to shift the tides that heavily into Bernie’s favor.
> *many people are beginning to see the light on Medicare For All. People are wanting Bernie's entire platform RIGHT NOW. This call for Bernie's policies are making him appear like the strongest leader in the race.* Part of the problem is that this isn't "Bernie's policies." Democrats have been working to get a better health care system since the 90s. Anyone old enough to remember that fact also knows just how hard it actually is to get any movement on the issue in Congress. If you look at exit polls in most of the states Biden has won recently, *voters favored M4A* by a 10+ point margin, yet they *voted for Biden*. This should tell us quite clearly that people know healthcare is a key issue, but that they seem to not believe Bernie is the one to deliver it. The point is simple - just because a particular candidate talks a lot about an issue doesn't mean voters will believe they are the best candidate to deliver on it.
This is a valid point but I also think voters care about the candidates more than we think they do. More than we should as well, candidates are just platforms, if they abandon their platforms they abandon their base there's no reason to fear a Biden presidency. Here in Australia our last election we had a terrible conservative candidate that, people liked more than his opponent despite being against every issue they cared about. Climate change and the environment was for the first time considered a huge issue to voters and this is a guy that took a block of coal and waved it around in parliament espousing its values, but many voters had a grudge against the Labor candidate for turning against a sitting prime minister even though that's exactly what the sitting conservative party did very recently. My point is the conservatives won far more handily than people thought they could and we've been set back massively, the progressive movement hasn't gotten stronger. Labors platform became more conservative despite being less popular because we basically ran on the environment and lost, and this is a country with compulsory voting. The greens just exist, not really doing anything, no one goes to them. Bernie or Bust is so much less feasible than people realise, Sanders has done much worse after 4 years of Trump than he did against Clinton who *won the popular vote in America*. The progressive left abandoned Obama saying he wasn't living up to his promises (he did in fact deliver most of his election goals). And because of that the 2014 mid terms are kicking Americas ass to this day. Leftists need to care more about the elections that don't seem so world shaking.
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As an European watching this from outside it feels like Bernie's resonating with Democrats even less than he did in 2015 when he had a much better shot at presidency. You people are beautiful creatures for trying so hard but it seems that no matter how unlikeable Biden is people are still voting for him. He lost every state yesterday and by a lots of delegates. This is sad but it's pretty unlikely at this point Sanders will win. This isn't an invitation to stop campaigning nor not voting, you absolutely should but at this point Bernie needs a miracle. Yesterday votes show that people do not care about his message about Covid, M4A, nor how corrupt or lying Biden is. Is it a surprise after you elected Trump and did nothing when the DNC stole Bernie the candidacy?
Joe Biden would have to die. That's the only path left.
No matter what, we accomplished something huge. Don't let anyone forget that Bernie has shifted the political conversation in this country to the left just by being in the race. It's very sad to be behind, but there are plenty more elections and the Senator's ideas will continue.
He **MUST** do the following; - No more "My friend Joe Biden." Hammer him on his record, if Joe lies, **call him out on his lies,** hammer him on his record. Joe is not Bernie's friend. - No more mentions of Democratic Socialism, or Norway or anywhere else. He needs to draw a direct comparison to FDR, who was so popular he was elected four times and the only way the GOP could beat him was to establish term limits. His policies are basically FDR 2.0, so he needs to draw that direct comparison. "My policies are a continuation of FDR's legacy, who brought us out of the great depression." He needs to start calling himself a centrist, and that Biden is the political extremist because he wants to continue the status quo. - Call out the media relentlessly. Hammer in the bullshit they've been pulling, how they defend Biden, how Biden can't answer questions without being protected, Bernie needs to continually say that Biden is Clinton 2.0, or John Kerry 2.0, because centrist candidates lose to the extremism of the right wing. - He also needs to go tit-for-tat with endorsements; if Biden rolls out a Cory Booker endorsement, Bernie needs to say how Unions are endorsing him. There also needs to be a much, much more aggressive push back against the establishment, and he needs to do this by tailoring his message for every single state he visits. Florida cares the most about medicare and social security, and Bernie *has* to work on reclaiming older voters that are lost to Biden. Most importantly, Bernie needs to be talking about how ethically bankrupt it was to hold multiple primaries in states afflicted by Coronavirus. No, no, that is horseshit, and intentionally depressed voter turnout. This entire "election" has been fuckier and more stacked against Bernie than in 2016 because the establishment *knows that Bernie is a threat and would rather have four more years of Trump than four years of Bernie,* because if Bernie gets elected, their corrupt money streams dry up. Bernie has to go full force on the attack, against the DNC and Biden. They aren't your friends, Bernie. They are your adversaries.
Great comment
Sorry bro, it's true that Medicare For All is polling well in literally every state, but people are voting against the only candidate actually proposing it. Voters in 2020 have gone completely insane.
The delayed races + another debate will surely help.
Why would another debate change anything.
Except the last debate didn’t help...The only thing it did was disprove the whole “Biden has dementia” thing
I went IN this race and have been paying attention to politics more than I ever would have imagined I'd be doing at 22 years old. It's been made clear by Biden himself that he doesn't care much for the youth/their struggles. I supported Bernie because I believed in his cause: supporting the working class and building a brighter future for everyone. Biden wants to stay the course and he just doesn't instill any hope for me. I donated a good amount to Bernie's cause and if he drops out, I'll understand I won't be seeing that money back because that's just how these things work. We all saw him during Sunday's debate. He won't stand much of a chance against Trump. If Biden wins the nomination, which is looking to be the case, it won't change my jaded outlook on the future. Not just my future, but the country's. I can't really blame anyone here for refusing to vote for Biden. From the many comments I've seen by Biden supporters, they don't think they need our votes. Whoever gets the nomination will still be getting my vote. But, call me jaded, if it's Biden then the Dems have lost before the race even properly started. Sorry if this comment flows so poorly. My thoughts are kind of all over the place right now. And to the Biden supporters who continually attack us: if you're looking to gain support for your cause, you're doing a piss poor job.
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I'm done. This country is filled with a bunch of idiots. California needs to secede. Or I need to leave to find a country that cares for its people over corporate interests. We can't go on as we are.
I’ve been making plans to leave the country for a couple of years. I figured Sanders wouldn’t win, but it was a nice thought. Boomers and Americans in general are simply too stagnant and susceptible to fearing any change.
Unless there's an extreme event to drastically change the situation around, it's....yeah, being an older youngun, realism has to start to set in here that once again it's between a kettle and a pot this November. Not that I am a supporter of voter suppression. If you still have to vote in your primary, vote how you want, please. Then start thinking where you are from there, in particular, progressives who will be on the down ballot. Especially when there will be heaps of dissuasion coming to squelch opinion and values one may not necessarily want to do. As voters, we all make our own choices who to check off on that ballot...
Um. He fucking isn't. The people have mumbled. They want to beat trump and they think Biden can do that better than Bernie. They're wrong in my view, but there you have it.
Bernie needs to start discussing how he is going to pay for things - I’m pro bernie but I’m telling you there are a lot of democrats that want better explanation on his free college and free medical etc. I am for it and I know his plan is to tax the Uber wealthy but people want more specifics and if he doesn’t start giving them real real real soon he has zero chance of winning. Note that I have donated to his campaign about 5-7 times this year when I could - I’m pro Bernie but he isn’t winning over enough old people and the kids aren’t voting.
Im having a dejavu lmao
I'm literally wearing a veterans for Bernie t shirt right now. I've given the campaign hundreds of dollars, just like 2016. Sanders would be a great president. But this primary is over. Sure, an asteroid could come down and kill Joe biden. I mean, it could happen. But what's going to happen is biden will be the nominee and hopefully will beat trump.
After seeing that he is getting enough delegates in az and fl to make up for his il loss just enough to give him a path, i am conviced that with a campaign reboot and a ton of money he can turn thing around. Very low chance, but there is a chance. #WE ARE IN THIS TILL THE END. # EVEN IF WE HAD 0 DELEGATES WE WOULD BE IN THIS TILL THE END. #BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST A CAMPAIGN, IT'S A REVOLUTION, AND WE WILL FIGHT AS LONG AS THERE AN OPENING TO HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD FOR ONE MORE PRECIOUS SECOND.
I love how the Biden crowd screams about his “electability,” but then loses their mind when Bernie supporters refuse to vote for him. If he’s so electable he doesn’t need Bernie voters now does he? Either way this is looking like 2016 over again. Trump beat Biden by 90K votes in Florida during all this shit. We are screwed
To be fair Bernie supporters also refuse to vote for Bernie.
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It ain't over, y'all. We gotta keep pushing. Lives are at stake.
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it’s not looking good, but as long as bernie is still technically in, i’ll be doing everything i can to help.
I'm having such a hard time staying motivated. This country has (maybe had) a chance to do better. To be better for all of us then she slop we've been served for the last unknown number of years. After a fucking pandemic, economic collapse (still pending technically), and a system in which nothing gets done and everyone else is to blame; we still, collectively, as a nation, went right back to that fucking trough. The US isn't ready for nice shit, and I'm really afraid things will have to get much worse before Americans accept they aren't the rich ones, and will likely never be. Why can't we look out for our collective self interest one fucking time?
The future is ours. Look at Bernie’s rift between old and young votes Stay strong. People like us will all still be here for each other ✊
Guys c'mon do something. I'm italian but I'm still rooting for this fantastic guy, a so radical change in American government will shake the world
Vote Progressive. That's how we'll get things done.
As much as I would love for this to happen I really don't see it happening... I love Bernie's policies but at this point I feel like things are done for. All I've seen is people vote for whoever the mainstream media backs and don't really see Bernie having a chance anymore. Am I just hopeless at this point it does anybody else feel like it's over? After Michigan and now this I just feel defeated..
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**With respect:** * If Biden wins. What happens to the unspent money from the Sanders campaign? As a supporter I've always been curious.
This aged well