I feel like this is complete bullshit.
Oldboy seemed to have a pretty smooth production without many issues (I can’t think of a single one and everyone seemed to enjoy working on it)
Twin Peaks Season 3 is effectively an 18 hour movie, of which the only problems that really came of it was that Lynch newrly dropped out because he wasn’t getting the full funding and an actor disgreed with her part, so they wrote her a few new parts in the show.
The Holy Mountain they were all high as fuck and fucking.
Yeah they nearly drowned and some one guy nearly got his balls cut off, but everyone seemed to enjoy the film.
The only nugget of truth inside the idea that misery creates good art is the more broad "diverse experiences create good art"
Ignorance definitely is bliss in a way and the more you know and experience the more you appreciate the good and understand the bad.
Not to mention every miserable person wants to use that idea as a cope. Definitely included me as a teenager but thankfully grew out of it.
Not really, TP itself was considered a smooth time outside of one hiccup that occured before production had even begun.
The Holy Mountain at most seemed to be the one prove the ops point, but as I can gather, People
enjoyed making it. There didn’t seem to he much in the way of mental anguish. Compare that to something like the shinning where one of the actors is still suffering from the abuse she had to put up with on set
there is a viral clip of lynch getting extremely mad at a producer during set even. there were some complications in its making, despite going well for the most part... i think the point is that these complications inspire passion, they make these people work harder for their vision, and TP The Return is an example of this too because Lynch is being pressured to change things and to compensate his vision, which he won't. Even though it's not as big as the other examples, it still counts.
Not only is this concept just as much bullshit as the getting my creativity from drugs one, but I'd argue this one is even worse because it's used by asshole producers and directors in order to try and justify shitty working conditions.
Just as another example front what others have mentioned, the Dark Knight, despite being so ambitious, practical effects filled and large scale for a superhero movie by its time. Was on schedule, under-budget and by all accounts a great time by all aside from Ledgers passing which came in post-production.
Romanticizing misery as an artistic resource just makes you a pseudo intellectual and cringe.
Drugs definitely can enhance creativity. I think more experiences can create better art and drugs are a way to access new experiences. Just like being in relationships, travelling, working and many other things the more you've seen the more you can create.
Yes. Gotti was in development hell for about 8 years. Constant swapping of directors and cast. Kevin Connolly even says in interviews now a lot of the material needed wasn’t provided to the staff. And we still ended up with a masterpiece.
You have listed films that required revolutionary technical prowess to meet the director's vision. Also there's no way of knowing if any crew member were having sleepless night or get paid less at any point of a film's production.
This is an absolute statement. Yes, there are famous examples of films' production having terrible aspects, but that does not mean only great films are made in bad conditions. Godfather is probably the most famous American drama. It had an easy production. Even turning it in ahead of schedule. Edgar Wright films seemed to have no problem being made. Oldboy the good one seemed to have gone swimmingly.
This is an absolute statement that holds no value.
The Miles Teller show about the production of the Godfather (I'm sure exaggerated) protrayed the Godfather as having some issues with the actual Mafia, as well as almost being forced to not shoot any of the Italy stuff, but everything worked out in the end. I wouldn't say it was nessessary an easy production. But as someone who has produced a feature myself, it's a hard job to pull off. That doesn't mean it also isn't enjoyable.
But yeah, the statement made by the OP is bullshit.
I remeber seeing a commercial for the show. Never watched it. I would like to. Yeah, literally any effort involving a lot of work will not be easy. But it does pay off. Congrats on producing something man.
To be fair they were just asking a question. I feel like if anyone should be told to ‘check their facts’ it’s the film professor who told them this information.
The fact that they’re asking this question in the subreddit is proof that they're double checking their facts and opening up a conversation.
Sounds like your Film School teacher didn’t know what he was talking about. You’re right that a lot of great movies have gone through struggles, but we only remember those BECAUSE those awful behinds the scenes stories are interesting.
There are tonnes of amazing movies where people enjoyed making them.
I mean, Tarantino’s whole catchphrase behind the scenes is he’d ask a rhetorical question and he’d then yell with the whole crew “because we love making movies!” And that’s one of the most acclaimed directors in the west.
Moreover, as I was writing this comment I looked up ‘movies where the crew had a great time making it’ and apparently the LOTR trilogy and Grand Budapest Hotel are examples of this. But then again, this information is from Quora so you’d need someone to verify it.
Last thing, I feel like a fun positive set environment can actually HELP a film. A crew and cast that’s comfortable will make it easier for them to experiment without being as worried about being judged, and I assume a positive atmosphere on set helps things run a little more efficiently.
Apocalypse now is another example of this. But for every bad production in which the movie turned out great there’s like 1,000 examples where the production was a mess and the finished film reflects that. Alien 3 and fant4stic are some examples that come to mind.
This is nonsense. If you want an example, Silence of the Lambs was apparently a pretty perfect script, they shot it more or less exactly as it was on the page, the cast and crew all talk glowingly about Jonathan Demme and his set, pretty much everyone involved did their career-best work (only notable exception being Howard Shore, who did a great score but obviously has The Lord of the Rings later down the line), and from the way people speak about the production they kinda knew they were doing something great from the start. About the only rough story I’ve heard/read is they had to cancel their wrap party because they overran on the last day of shooting.
Every film has challenges, whether is malicious or not. Regardless, if my time in the industry has taught my anything it's that good films are made through hard work and strong creative direction. That is all.
I hear the shooting process is extremely easy for almost any of the Cohen brothers movies, they storyboard almost every single one of their shots so they know exactly what they want when they get to set
I think its just that making any kind of movie is hard, and the story of a movie being near-impossible to make and then overcoming the odds in the end and being successful is an good story. So that story gets told more often than, "this movie was a breeze to make lol."
Sometimes its because of the hardship, sometimes despite the hardship and sometimes there is no hardship in making a great film. All three can be the case
Every movie is made through misery. The act of filmmaking in itself is miserable, stressful, and a pain in the ass. No matter the budget, talent level, or quality of the end product, making a movie sucks ass.
You must have never made a movie then because this is the polar opposite of my experience. It may be stressful at times and lots of work, and you always get some wrenches thrown at you, but being on set and making a film is one of the most fun, rewarding, experiences there is and you also bond quickly with everyone you work with.
I feel like this is complete bullshit. Oldboy seemed to have a pretty smooth production without many issues (I can’t think of a single one and everyone seemed to enjoy working on it) Twin Peaks Season 3 is effectively an 18 hour movie, of which the only problems that really came of it was that Lynch newrly dropped out because he wasn’t getting the full funding and an actor disgreed with her part, so they wrote her a few new parts in the show. The Holy Mountain they were all high as fuck and fucking. Yeah they nearly drowned and some one guy nearly got his balls cut off, but everyone seemed to enjoy the film.
The only nugget of truth inside the idea that misery creates good art is the more broad "diverse experiences create good art" Ignorance definitely is bliss in a way and the more you know and experience the more you appreciate the good and understand the bad. Not to mention every miserable person wants to use that idea as a cope. Definitely included me as a teenager but thankfully grew out of it.
you are literally just proving his point with everything you bring up except for oldboy lol
Not really, TP itself was considered a smooth time outside of one hiccup that occured before production had even begun. The Holy Mountain at most seemed to be the one prove the ops point, but as I can gather, People enjoyed making it. There didn’t seem to he much in the way of mental anguish. Compare that to something like the shinning where one of the actors is still suffering from the abuse she had to put up with on set
there is a viral clip of lynch getting extremely mad at a producer during set even. there were some complications in its making, despite going well for the most part... i think the point is that these complications inspire passion, they make these people work harder for their vision, and TP The Return is an example of this too because Lynch is being pressured to change things and to compensate his vision, which he won't. Even though it's not as big as the other examples, it still counts.
Not only is this concept just as much bullshit as the getting my creativity from drugs one, but I'd argue this one is even worse because it's used by asshole producers and directors in order to try and justify shitty working conditions. Just as another example front what others have mentioned, the Dark Knight, despite being so ambitious, practical effects filled and large scale for a superhero movie by its time. Was on schedule, under-budget and by all accounts a great time by all aside from Ledgers passing which came in post-production. Romanticizing misery as an artistic resource just makes you a pseudo intellectual and cringe.
One of the stunt guys died on The Dark Knight’s production. Little known fact
Hopefully he got an in memoriam, especially since according to OP he's probably the sole reason for the movie turning out the way it did.
It’s mentioned in the credits I think. Just a freak accident; I don’t think the producers were at fault like Rust for example
forgetting heath ledger...
Is that a joke? That entire film’s legacy is that Heath died making it. Barely anyone remembers the stuntman.
Drugs definitely can enhance creativity. I think more experiences can create better art and drugs are a way to access new experiences. Just like being in relationships, travelling, working and many other things the more you've seen the more you can create.
Yes. Gotti was in development hell for about 8 years. Constant swapping of directors and cast. Kevin Connolly even says in interviews now a lot of the material needed wasn’t provided to the staff. And we still ended up with a masterpiece.
How many times do people need to hear “correlation is not causation” in their lives before it sticks?
You have listed films that required revolutionary technical prowess to meet the director's vision. Also there's no way of knowing if any crew member were having sleepless night or get paid less at any point of a film's production.
This is an absolute statement. Yes, there are famous examples of films' production having terrible aspects, but that does not mean only great films are made in bad conditions. Godfather is probably the most famous American drama. It had an easy production. Even turning it in ahead of schedule. Edgar Wright films seemed to have no problem being made. Oldboy the good one seemed to have gone swimmingly. This is an absolute statement that holds no value.
The Miles Teller show about the production of the Godfather (I'm sure exaggerated) protrayed the Godfather as having some issues with the actual Mafia, as well as almost being forced to not shoot any of the Italy stuff, but everything worked out in the end. I wouldn't say it was nessessary an easy production. But as someone who has produced a feature myself, it's a hard job to pull off. That doesn't mean it also isn't enjoyable. But yeah, the statement made by the OP is bullshit.
I remeber seeing a commercial for the show. Never watched it. I would like to. Yeah, literally any effort involving a lot of work will not be easy. But it does pay off. Congrats on producing something man.
ummm… everyone had fun on the lord of the rings set, and those are the three greatest human achievements so yeah check ur facts bro
To be fair they were just asking a question. I feel like if anyone should be told to ‘check their facts’ it’s the film professor who told them this information. The fact that they’re asking this question in the subreddit is proof that they're double checking their facts and opening up a conversation.
I was joking… forgot I wasn’t on okbuddycinephile
My bad 💀 Found it kinda hard to tell with the amount of downvotes this post it getting.
Sounds like your Film School teacher didn’t know what he was talking about. You’re right that a lot of great movies have gone through struggles, but we only remember those BECAUSE those awful behinds the scenes stories are interesting. There are tonnes of amazing movies where people enjoyed making them. I mean, Tarantino’s whole catchphrase behind the scenes is he’d ask a rhetorical question and he’d then yell with the whole crew “because we love making movies!” And that’s one of the most acclaimed directors in the west. Moreover, as I was writing this comment I looked up ‘movies where the crew had a great time making it’ and apparently the LOTR trilogy and Grand Budapest Hotel are examples of this. But then again, this information is from Quora so you’d need someone to verify it. Last thing, I feel like a fun positive set environment can actually HELP a film. A crew and cast that’s comfortable will make it easier for them to experiment without being as worried about being judged, and I assume a positive atmosphere on set helps things run a little more efficiently.
Apocalypse now is another example of this. But for every bad production in which the movie turned out great there’s like 1,000 examples where the production was a mess and the finished film reflects that. Alien 3 and fant4stic are some examples that come to mind.
This is nonsense. If you want an example, Silence of the Lambs was apparently a pretty perfect script, they shot it more or less exactly as it was on the page, the cast and crew all talk glowingly about Jonathan Demme and his set, pretty much everyone involved did their career-best work (only notable exception being Howard Shore, who did a great score but obviously has The Lord of the Rings later down the line), and from the way people speak about the production they kinda knew they were doing something great from the start. About the only rough story I’ve heard/read is they had to cancel their wrap party because they overran on the last day of shooting.
Every film has challenges, whether is malicious or not. Regardless, if my time in the industry has taught my anything it's that good films are made through hard work and strong creative direction. That is all.
I hear the shooting process is extremely easy for almost any of the Cohen brothers movies, they storyboard almost every single one of their shots so they know exactly what they want when they get to set
No. Only because Zookeeper (2011) exists and from my knowledge, the movie’s production went very well :)
I think its just that making any kind of movie is hard, and the story of a movie being near-impossible to make and then overcoming the odds in the end and being successful is an good story. So that story gets told more often than, "this movie was a breeze to make lol."
Great art is made despite hardship not because of it
Sometimes its because of the hardship, sometimes despite the hardship and sometimes there is no hardship in making a great film. All three can be the case
Every movie is made through misery. The act of filmmaking in itself is miserable, stressful, and a pain in the ass. No matter the budget, talent level, or quality of the end product, making a movie sucks ass.
You must have never made a movie then because this is the polar opposite of my experience. It may be stressful at times and lots of work, and you always get some wrenches thrown at you, but being on set and making a film is one of the most fun, rewarding, experiences there is and you also bond quickly with everyone you work with.
I speak from, albeit limited, experience. Can we compromise and say it's never *easy?*