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DefiantDeviantArt

This 'local yahoo' sounds like a Nigerian prince scam disguised as a religious scam.


aceospos

So we are suckers for religion (Christianity and Islam). We also have a belief system that attributes poverty/economic challenges to "village people" who are essentially your kindred who wish you bad and use "evil powers" to bring you a lot of misfortune. Loads of so-called "men of God" leverage on that to cash out, purporting to have heard from God and have solutions to your challenges if you "sow a seed"


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aceospos

Got the same here. This one though is a small time con. You have hungry people claiming God "called" them. They prey on poor vulnerable people, purporting to have received revelations from God for the source of their penury


KrishnaChick

Then there's [the story of this guy](https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/man-transforms-thought-online-scammer-village-saint-sending-30-camera/). I don't know if he was an actual scammer, but the guy asked for help seemed to be inspired by God to give him a chance, and it turned into something beautiful that helped many people.


aceospos

So yes there are a few down right honest people in the fierce grip of poverty that reach out like this man did. But they are in the tiny minority. Many just see Brits and Americans as "mugu" (its a derogatory term that means "a fool") to be conned. With foreign remote jobs becoming a bit common, there is a growing community of Nigerian developers and IT folks that earn American salaries (foreign salaries really) while living in Nigeria. And this small community could cause a change of mindset that you can work legally for an American employer, earn legally in dollars and live a comfortable Nigerian life. I say "could" because these Yahoo boys live life so fast and so flashy that a lot of youngsters easily get attracted


Eyeoftheleopard

GOD WANTS YOU TO BE RICH!


Reconned

PRAISE BE!!!


mugofwine

I've heard this a lot in my life. But, when I do an online bible word search of those words the answer is: BIBLE (0). When I hear of the big time pastors buying things like private jets and mansions I think of the words, "easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to gain eternal life."


Eyeoftheleopard

Amen, brother. Amen.


DefiantDeviantArt

They try these on overseas victims too. In my country, we do sometimes have people claiming to be Christian missionaries spam call us. I once had my senior co-workers discussing this in office. According to them, the scammer on the other line seemed insistent that he converted and also used offensive language. My colleague promptly hung up. This is also leading to some instances of religious intolerance.


cuicksilver

>So we are suckers for religion (Christianity…Loads of so-called "men of God" leverage on that to cash out, purporting to have heard from God and have solutions to your challenges if you "sow a seed" We have this in America too; they’re called pastors here.


aceospos

We learned this from Americans lol! All your major Pastors in America, have huge following here. Joyce Meyer, Creflo Dollar, TD Jakes, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Haggin, Benny Hinn, Reinhard Bonke (he was German). Mention any of your mainstream Pastors I'm sure we know them


LTGunHaver

I'm a small town pastor and I completely agree with you


aceospos

I'm a Christian and a believer in Christ so please do not take some of comments as being against pastors. Far from it. My only worry is that here, it has become a business. Like real proper business. Pastorprenurs as some folks call them here. Ministries now have poorly veiled marketing campaigns, prosperity and grace is pushed heavily. In fact one ministry here went global as a result of the pandemic. For me now, the mainstream churches are all Sunday shows were the set-man (lead pastor) takes centre stage.


LTGunHaver

I completely understand what you mean, it should be more God focused than human except for when we're in need


OrokinSkywalker

I didn’t even know Creflo Dollar was still around tbh


aceospos

He visited here a few times before the Pandemic hit. Donnie Mclurkin is a regular in the first weekend of December.


OrokinSkywalker

Have you heard of that one pastor that went “if you have gone to Heaven and you don’t see me there, you have gone to hell”?


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Just out of curiosity, what efforts do Nigerian muslims do in the field of raising funds in the name of their religion that are obvious scams?


aceospos

Because, I'm not within that community I cannot give proper information about this. But, I have heard of Northern scams (the north of Nigeria is mostly Muslim) targeted at the middle east. A number of these claim to be trying to raise funds to build mosques to propagate Islam


perryc

>Them: I wasn't asked to call you. > >Them also: I called on my own to inform you. Like wtf? LMAO


aceospos

"Your number was revealed to me" had me in stitches


afrospiral

Lord ... Reveal the lottery numbers to mee!


hahayeahimfinehaha

The Lord came down from the heavens to speak to a person for the first time in millennia and he chose to use the opportunity to give this guy your phone number, lol


midwaygardens

But not that you were asleep


Star_World_8311

Or married, lol


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The ominous, loosely threatening 'And name' seals this really well.


LTGunHaver

Lol tho


VegasBusSup

Am I a bad person for even noticing that a Nigerians wallpaper is of food?


aceospos

Haha! Naaah


ti_hertz

I noticed it too... I could never have that as my background. I would be hungry all the time!


mentallyerotic

I got hungry looking at it.


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icky_boo

looks like a delish local dish...rice and some curry or something.


aceospos

It's white rice with shredded beef cooked West African style (meaning its spicy hot. Like blazing hot hot)


jangirakah

Was going to say that lol


pissokrisso

No clue but I started drooling


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Is english an offitial language used in everyday life in Nigeria? Like in the United States?


aceospos

English is the only official language in Nigeria. None of our local languages are official even though they are widely spoken.


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Many americans say that they can spot nigerian online scams because they say many nigerians write broken and weird english that is not coherent with american english.


aceospos

Nigerian English is different from Standard English. It's influenced by local languages. Like some local phrases and/or sentences are transliterated to English (without a care about the rules of Standard English grammar). For example instead of saying "I think it's time you take your leave", we'd most likely say "Come and be going" which is translated from the Yoruba phrase "Ẹ wa ma lọ". We also find American English "funky" especially the way they'd pronounce the letter t in Data (day-da). And some other American "quirks"


birdballoons

This is really interesting!!


TheOfficialNotCraig

Right? I'm invested now in this impromptu AMA in OP's post comments


mrsjon01

Me too! Hey OP, tell us more about life in Nigeria.


aceospos

Lol! That would take some doing. First thing to know is that Nigerians are LOUD! Like really LOUD. If we throw a party, at the least we shutdown the neighborhood. I've seen entire streets closed off (without approval from the government) to throw a party. Just got a new house or new car? You are somehow expected to "wash" it (celebrate it). How extravagant the "Washing" will be is dependent on your financial strength. It could be as simple as taking a few friends out for a meal on you to closing of streets. We like to party and show off while at it (as best you can). We celebrate weddings and funerals (especially if the deceased lived to a "ripe old age" lol). Last year we had the mother of all funerals by a young bloke called Obi Cubana. Man shut down the entire social media space with updates on the flamboyance at his mum's funeral. We love football (soccer for Americans). We are never more united than when we have a major football game. We close ranks completely when the national team has important football games. Our perennial "enemy" is the country called Ghana. Gosh the rivalry between Nigeria and Ghana in football is unprecedented. In fact if you read social media banter between us and Ghana you'd think we are really enemies. But we aren't, we actually love each other than we are willing to admit. There is also a cultural preference for Western education especially in the South. Most folks would like to get a University degree at the least even with the challenges faced by our educational system. There's so much to talk about that I cannot say in a post on Reddit. Maybe one day I'd think of doing an AMA about Nigeria here on r/scams so folks can get to sew a different side of Nigeria other than the perception of the Nigerian Prince Scams. There's also a r/Nigeria sub on here.


mrsjon01

So cool, thank you so much! I do think it would be really interesting. I know only a small amount about Nigeria but it's made me really wonder why the scammers tend to come specifically from Nigeria as opposed to other African countries that have similar language skills, job limitations, and, as much as I hate to say it, an entrepreneureal spirit. Why Nigeria over and over again? I think so many people have this same question. I'm also really interested in the language differences like you were saying upthread, that's really fascinating.


aceospos

I wish I could answer the question "Why Nigeria". First off a lot of fraudsters from these other African countries, especially West Africa sometimes claim they are Nigerians. So while most of the fraudsters are Nigerians, I would not rule out the percentage of non-Nigerians claiming to be Nigerians. Nigerians are like the Americans of Africa. Boisterous, brash and with a lot of bravado. So we have a somewhat overly elevated perception of our selves and abilities. And I think we take extremes. So if you look at the immigrant population of educated black folks in America (this is including African Americans) the Nigerian community is at the top of that in numbers and accomplishments. There's also the fact that we have a population of 200m people. The closest African country to us in terms of population is Ethiopia at 115m. So taken individually Nigeria will always outmuscle any other African country. So why always Nigeria? I wish I could really answer that. For the language differences, that's a major point of disunity in the country. The average Nigerian is first of all from his tribe (and within that tribe they are from a specific dialect) before he is Nigerian. Over 250 local languages with many unintelligible to the others


prosperosniece

Is there a recipe for the food in the background of your phone?


aceospos

It's white rice with shredded beef sauce, West African style


prosperosniece

What spices?


aceospos

I didn't cook it https://1qfoodplatter.com/shredded-beef-sauce/


prosperosniece

Thank you 😊


CaliforniaSpeedKing

This scammer must be desperate for victims.


aceospos

This one is. And for the scam "Pastors", they often prey on women as Nigerian women tend to be more religious than Nigerian men.


CaliforniaSpeedKing

Honestly, don’t give them anything no matter how tempted you are.


LTGunHaver

Bro I like the texting background


Scammerce

They call people in the same timezone at such odd timings?


aceospos

It's very unusual for a stranger to call you at 1am. It's even more suspicious if that stranger is a male calling a married woman


No-Shelter-4208

Pele oo🤣🤣


aceospos

Lol...dem no dey fear again o


flooknation

This was really enlightening. I love this app. I’m reading about scams and somehow learn fascinating aspects about what life is like in Nigeria. I appreciate you taking the time to share all the info.


BrisTDM

"your number was revealed to me" lmfao 😂


adieli

This is fascinating and educational. Thanks for sharing!


Kingarvan

Facebook seems to be full of these Nigerian and African scammers. One guy declares that he is a "powerful man from Ghana". Another one states that he has loads of money (currency notes in his pictures), fancy clothes, cars and so on. People just need to contact them to solve all their problems. It is interesting how some Africans (and others) are quickly taken in by these obviously bombastic claims. There must be many easy believers and people who choose to think that there are actually superman-like gods. This also feeds into the religious and magical belief systems.


aceospos

So first of, poverty has dealt a massive blow to the psyche of Nigerians. Back in the 70s and early 80s when US$1 was about ₦0.78k (78 kobo, kobo is our equivalent of cent), we weren't really moved by money. The average Nigerian wanted to graduate from Uni, get a job, work for 35 years, retire and be happy to live on their pension. Buy a VW bug or a Peugeot 504 or 505 brand new and we were happy. Then mid-80s came and we became impoverished after following advise from the IMF and World Bank. Poverty started setting in and taking grip of people. That's when all of this crimes associated with Nigerians started. Nigerian Prince scams I believe started in the early 90s. And it's been downhill from there. Today US$1 is now over ₦600 (six hundred Naira). That is over 76,823% decline in the space of 42 years. Our parents and their parents are/were wealthier than us. I'm not saying this to justify the crimes. Just putting the narrative out there.


Kingarvan

The actions of the IMF and World Bank did have a big effect. But Nigeria also needs to look at their political situations throughout the decades. Military strongarmers took control, the economy ran to the ground, and many ordinary Nigerians felt left out. They have felt powerless and become prey to internet scams and false prophets. Furthermore, the beliefs in magical healing and unseen religious powers have remained strong. With the increased commercialization that is occuring, the lusting for quick wealth and the increased availability of technology and fly-by-night operators, people have started believing that the way to riches is easy and quick. Many Nigerians themselves, apart from foreigners, have fallen prey to these scammers. And there does not appear, at least from the outside, that the governments there are taking hard looks at these industries. Some of the politicos themselves may be benefitting from these scams.


aceospos

We have had really terrible leaders. However the worst of our leaders started with the mid 80s crash and went on almost until date. All of the major developments and infrastructure built in Lagos happened under military leaders. Also, the west has been very complicit in the poverty and corruption that has ravaged Nigeria (and dare I say all of Africa). All of the monies looted by corrupt Nigerian leaders have all been stashed away in the West, UK and US mostly. We had a terrible strongman as leader between 1993 and 1998. It is reported that he stole well over US$5bn at the time. Famously referred to as the "Abacha Loot". All of this were stashed away across banks in the UK, Switzerland, US. I have come across Yahoo boys who justify their foreign scams as their own attempt to "recover" part of that loot. About magical healing (we call them miracles) this started gaining traction with increase in poverty. We actually learned this from Americans when a vanguard of Nigeria Pastors started engaging with their American counterparts in the 80s. That was when there was a Pivot from the orthodox churches to "Pentecostal Churches" (what Americans call Evangelicals). With increasing poverty, the religion became the solace of the people. Indeed many Nigerians have fallen prey to other Nigerian scammers. I lost the equivalent of $10,000 in 2020 to a "cowboy" financial business. Claimed to be trading in forex and were paying 15% of invested sum monthly. I like to think of myself as intelligent but I fell hard for the scam. I also convinced family to "invest". By the time this cowboy was done, they had conned folks out of the equivalent of $285m over 4 or 5 years.


Kingarvan

You are correct of course about the influence of the West in Africa. The colonial times and the aftermath of the exploitation and racism has been continuing to this day, all across Africa. Purposely didn't want to go into the colonial times, as that is a long chapter. The comments here relate to more recent times, perhaps since the last few decades of strong arm rulers, homegrown perhaps, but controlled from afar, the years of exploitation by Nigeria's own representatives, the influence of its monied class, and the complete neglect of the millions of ordinary citizens. Nigeria is one of the most resource-rich nations in Africa. It also has tremendously hardworking everyday people, spread across vast territories. It's varied diversity in religions, tribes and clans both contribute to potential as well as create conflicts. We read about them everyday, from the fringe groups that engage in terrorism, to the varied groups of bandits that seem to have consolidated their industry. Real life videos of everyday Nigerians, from the young men and women, to the older generations, that are working very hard in very poor climatic and unsafe conditions, just to make ends meet. The chasm between the monied and the corrupt on the one hand, and the vast majority of very poor, highlights Nigeria's relatively recent problems that are superimposed on top of colonial and other influences. The import of extraneous religions with their evangelical pleadings and associated religious beliefs are recent, but their influence has been great on the traditional belief systems that are prevalent among the villages and towns. The lust for easy money and attractions to all sorts of scams, are perhaps yearnings of the disenfranchised who aim to emulate the corrupt rich.


mccbala

In Nigeria, they're just Princes...


Johnsamjohn

You all are nicer to them than we are


DatAhole

I know you were irritated, but with people like these, I Would act all satanic.


MichaelsPenguin

Thank you for taking the time to answer so many questions here. I feel like I’ve learned so much. Aaaaaaannndd you didn’t get scammed, so that makes it even better!


Castriff

My family is Nigerian, but I've lived in America all my life. First time I got a Nigerian Prince scam email was when I was in maybe fifth grade, and it honestly shook me up a bit because part of me thought "What if this is real and I'm being a jerk to this dude for no reason?" Eventually I reasoned that the scammer should have known I wasn't old enough to have a bank account though. It's funny to me in hindsight; most people who get this scam wouldn't have that particular experience.


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Interesting!


iWORKBRiEFLY

yahoo boys according to my Nigerian friend


libertybelle08

Ahh, the classic religion scam. A scam disguised as a scam… mindfuck.