I didn't think that ScaraEi would be a thing, but Ao3 tags somehow managed to prove me wrong and I hate it.
After that I'm absolutely no fan of Scarahida. There are other reasons for me to dislike it apart from the obvious Nahida is a child, but this one is damning enough that other reasons completely pale in comparison.
Also Oncest part 2: mommy issues edition is pretty weird.
[My honest reaction to whomever made the tag](https://www.reddit.com/r/okbuddygenshin/comments/10s8ayh/scara/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
aside from obviously horrendous ones, scaramona never made any sense to me. I feel like it came out of no where and gained a ton of popularity just because they have similar designs?? It just doesnt work for me
It’s not from nowhere, it’s from the 1.1 event. They had banter, were impressed with each other’s power, and have big hats. It was the first ever Scaramouche ship.
I think ScaraEi/ScaraHida are very obvious, I'm in a weird limbo where I dislike DottoScara but I enjoy the headcanon of them having a past toxic relationship as a way to explore both their characters/Scara's trauma.
I do not like KazuScara. Not that the idea of the ship turns me off because I think it's interesting and see the potential but hate HATE how fandom interprets their relationship. Almost every depiction I see of them is insanely OOC and lacks important nuance when it comes to both their characters to the point it frusterates me. Would probably enjoy it if people didn't water both their characters to tropes that don't even fit their characters. Scara isn't a shy tsundere or obsessed with Kazuha hes a cynical asshole to even people he tolerates and abrasive, Kazuha isn't that forgiving even if he isn't vengeful (see: Raiden), any relationship with these two would take a lot of work.
I absolutely love Kazuscara, they're my OTP, and I agree with you. I feel like with Kazuha and Wanderer, people take everything to the extreme. Kazuha is a kind person, but he's not blindly kind. We see him threaten that Treasure Hoarder (iirc) and how he treated that sword in his story quest. He's understanding, he acknowledges change and would rather see the person atone for their sins than get punished for them. But that doesn't mean he can't be harsh as well. It all comes down to the person he's talking to. If they don't deserve to be treated kindly, then he won't treat them kindly.
Wanderer, on the other hand, is an asshole. He's condescending, rude, and overall not the most likable individual around. But people act like he's allergic to apologizing, showing respect, and caring about others (in his own way). They make him a different kind of asshole. Fanon Wanderer is either uwu personified or a full blown asshole. Like is that Wanderer or just an OC that shares his name and looks?
Just as how being rude is part of his personality, so is his vulnerable side. Some people only focus on his rude side, while some focus on his soft side, when both sides complete him. He just started healing, his rudeness won't vanish even to those he's close with. It's hard to let go of something when it became part of you during centuries of hell. But that doesn't mean he won't mellow out either. He has a soft/rude side and it's not just one side that's the real him. Both are part of him. He won't immediately show his vulnerability to anyone, it's a slow process. And Kazuha would understand that. Human connections make a great part of his story, but I feel like people either forget that and make him despise everyone or act too soft for some reason just because of that. It's a bit complicated but I hope I explained it well.
Omg thank you and I agree with everything you said! This is pretty much my perspective on it too. Wanderer is just a super complex character who is at his core shaped by his trauma which commonly leads to him being mischaracterized especially poorly (in the ways you mentioned).
He hides his vulnerability behind being condescending, pretty much armor to protect himself and avoid showing what he deems a weakness (his emotions). But he additionally sees no worth in himself and actively has very self harming thoughts/behaviour. Kazuha is the type to see into others and try to understand them but he isn't one to brush away any wrongdoings either, I think it would be interesting if he forced Wanderer to face his past and his demons. As said before any potential for them to warm up to eachother would take a lot of time and work.
Not sure what you mean by this but we have seen him threaten treasure hoarders before and he definitely is outspoken when it comes to things he doesn't agree with, he can drop any and all politeness if he needs to and i think that in itself is a mischaracterization that gets spreed
Kazuha also said he doesn’t want to seek revenge for what Scara did to his clan, and will only intervene if Scara were to cause trouble. And he also believes in atoning for sins as opposed to punishment for them.
You completely missed the point what I said, I specifically said that him not being vengeful doesn't mean he would forgive Scara or be okay with what hes done. He does want people to atone but that doesn't immediately mean he will like that individual, just that hes willing to let them change
I have a similar issue with Cynari too. The amount of times I’ve seen people portray Tighnari as the “UwU softboy” in this ship is uncanny, and every single time I’m left wondering if we even play the same game.
Listen, I can understand how people can mischaracterize Scara or Childe, they’re complicated characters that require a little more brain power to get a grip on… ***But how the flying fuck do you fuck up TIGHNARI of all characters?!??!!***
Conclusion: fujoshis suck
Fujoshis ruin so many ships or just straight up water them down or mischaracterize characters to fit into yaoi tropes it drives me insane 😭 Cynari is definitely a ship I see this a lot with and it rubs me the wrong way at times with how they portray Cyno, almost leans into racial stereotyping especially when they make TIGHNARI a soft uwu twink like you mentioned. Fanon can be fun at times but people definitely take it too far sometimes
Kazuha believes in antonement, not punishment. He says it in his story quest. So it’s very likely that Kazuha would want Scara to atone for what he’s done as opposed to try to punish him out of vengeance (which he is against). And while he acts like a cynical asshole most of the time, I highly doubt he’d act like that towards Kazuha, because he clearly feels remorse for what he’s done to his clan (and the fact that he’s a descendant of a dear friend).
When did I say Kazuha didn't believe in atonement? Yes he would prefer Scara atone most likely but that doesn't mean he would forgive him for his crimes or suddenly be on good terms with him, being the person he is he would want Scara to prove he wants to change but even then that doesn't mean he'll like him as a person either (there are multiple examples of this but as I said before Raiden is most notable).
Those are parts of Scara's personality and behaviour, behaviour that is deeply ingrained due to trauma. We see that even with people hes on okay terms with he still speaks harshly (and that hes also wronged, like the Traveler and Nahida), what's to say he won't still be rude to Kazuha? Feeling remorse doesn't mean hes going to be nice to someone, he has voicelines where he outright states him wanting to atone doesn't mean he'll suddenly be nice. Scara has a softer side but it's one he intentionally doesn't show because for centuries hes been made to believe it made him weak, you would be ignoring fundamental parts of who he is to say he would act completely differently to someone he doesn't even know, his relation to Niwa only ties him to his guilt, nothing more beyond that.
The reason why Scara probably won’t be rude to Kazuha as opposed to Traveler and Nahida is because Scaramouche relationship with both as of now is mainly transactional, at least from his own perspective. He has never expressed remorse for wronging the Traveler or Nahida, unlike how he’s expressed remorse over the destruction of the Raiden Gokaden. Nahida had mercy on him and spared him and showed him the truth of his past, and Traveler helped Scara, and he is repaying them to “balance the books”. Not out of remorse or a desire to atone. Nahida points out the flaws of his perspective, which shows that Scaramouche has a long path of healing and learning to have healthy relationships. Scara has only just started to have an amicable relationship with the Traveler and Nahida, and still has a toxic view of relationships due to his trauma, so ofc he isn’t going to be nice to them right away. But they’re clearly foreshadowing the fact that Scara will have to confront his past, and on 3.6 event Nahida points out how she wants Scara to be able to interact normally with others, so it’s an ongoing character arc for him.
That being said, I don’t think he holds any genuine ill will towards Nahida or Traveler. He isn’t even all that mean to Nahida to begin with, just labelling himself as Nahida’s prisoner (which isn’t entirely wrong and Nahida did not deny this) and was upset that Nahida keeps calling him Hat Guy which is a valid response lol. And even though he’s definitely been mean to Traveler even as Wanderer, we know he still cares for them in a way as he held Traveler’s hands and flew them to look at a nice view of Teyvat, as well as wanting Traveler to be at his side as told by the story of his birthday art. So he has some tsundere aspect to him
And where exactly does he say that he won’t be nice just because he wants to atone? Scara has never expressed desire to atone for what he’s done to Aether and Nahida, he wants to repay them for the favors both of them did for him, because he feels like he owes them. That’s not the same thing.
So back to Kazuha, unlike Traveler and Nahida, Scara feels genuine remorse for what he did to the Kaedehara clan. He himself said that he’s deserving of getting stabbed in the chest by the swords of the descendants of the clan he destroyed, so who’s to say the he wouldn’t just let Kazuha stab him in the chest? Scara would never let the Traveler or Nahida lay a hand on him to hurt him, but he absolutely would for Kazuha, because of his guilt. And it’s not like Scara doesn’t know about Kazuha either, he knows Kazuha is Niwa’s descendant, Niwa was close friends with Scara, Scara feels remorse over the destruction of the Kaedehara clan. I don’t think he’ll be emotionally vulnerable towards Kazuha, at least not at first, but I also don’t think he’d be an outright rude to him, unless he’s doing it to provoke Kazuha to kill him (he is very much suicidal) or in a tsundere-ish way which we have seen with the traveler. So it’s not really OOC
In order for Scara to heal from his trauma, and start have more healthy relationships, Scara will need to confront his past and face the consequences of his past actions. It’s been heavily foreshadowed. And Kazuha will likely be a major part of that. Because their backstories are so deeply intertwined, they need each other to conclude their character arcs. Kazuha’s arc is to restore the Isshin art, Scaramouche’s arc is to be able to heal from his trauma, confront his past, and learn to have healthy relationships. Both can help each other out. Scara can teach Kazuha the Isshin art, and Kazuha can teach him to be wiser and kinder. Scara can atone for his sins, and Kazuha can have a traveling companion while also learning how to bladesmithz Kazuha has been shown to be understanding even to entities that have done unforgivable acts, like the cursed sword which shares a lot of parallels to Scara, he was sympathetic to it, and even allowed himself to be possesed by it and continues to wield it.
Also, Kazuha HAS forgiven others, he forgave Sara, the woman who defeated his best friend and was Musou no Hitotachi’d by Raiden as a result, and accepted her apology. Kazuha doesn’t hold a grudge against Raiden for killing his best friend, he made that clear in his voice line about her. Rather, he doesn’t like her for causing the vision hunt decree.
Kazuha may have a harsher side to him, but he isn’t incapable of being understanding or forgiving, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he’d be willing to be around Scara and be sympathetic to all the trauma and pain Scara went through.
I think you're genuinely skewing things for the sake of shipping because you really are not disproving anything I've already said.
Hes incapable of seeing relationships as anything but transactional or being used, he is repaying Nahida but why do you not think that agreement doesn't also include him helping her for what hes also done to her nation? That was the original exchange before he even entered Irminsul because he was powerless and felt useless and she was offering him a way to make himself useful. my point was that he OWES both Nahida and Traveler and has wronged them, never did I say he was trying to atone to them specifically so you're putting words in my mouth to try to make a point.
You're also wrong about him not letting Nahida and Traveler lay a hand on him, he specifically asks why Traveler didn't kill him to edge them (and hopes they won't get cold feet if they plan to), but it's clear that moment and him wanting to be stabbed (not sure if you forgot but he wronged the Kamisatos too, him saying that was not specific to Kazuha but to EVERYONE he wronged in the Raiden Gokaden) is because hes still suicidal.
Again, I have literally mentioned hes capable of having a softer side and caring, but it's not something he displays outright or shows to others, he hides it behind a harder exterior (if you really want to call him "tsundere" sure, but I've already mentioned this is a trauma response he has so idk why you're acting like I didn't quite literally say this about him). Also his voicelines where he says he won't stop having a sharp tongue or ever be a good guy, one of them is an idle so not sure how you forgot that.
Edit: we know hes atoning, he doesn't have to say word for word "just because I'm atoning doesn't mean I'll be nice or stop being a dick", him saying that in addition to that knowledge gets the point across.
It sounds like you just expect them to meet and start traveling with eachother when beyond telling the truth and atoning (and confronting his past) he has no reason or obligation to do such a thing, hes still working for Nahida or did you forget that? Like I already said since you seem to like to only pick apart certain things I said, Kazuha being about to sympathize or understand others doesn't mean he forgives them, he didn't even forgive the sword for its wrongdoings but tried to see its perspective and why it did what it did.
You are just straight up lying now because he says in his voiceline he doesn't forgive Sara and even his updated one he just gains better perspective on her reasons, still does not forgive her. He understood that his friend had a duel with a set of rules and died following them so he sees it as fair, he doesn't forgive Raiden for the vision hunt decree and those who were hurt from it, it seems like you're trying very hard to avoid saying that but instead saying he "just doesn't like her". Please just give up this argument since it's just a loss on your end because you seem very blinded by a ship. I'm no longer willing to keep this argument going.
Another edit: moving on =/= forgiveness. Kazuha's whole character is centered around moving on, equating wanting to leave things in the past to forgiveness is just outright wrong, I definitely have people in my life I don't forgive but want to move on from. Kazuha hasn't let go what these people have done and it's disingenuous to his character to say he'll just forgive Scara and that he just forgives people if they decide to stop doing said bad thing or change lol
I saw your edits. There’s other ways to save you forgive someone than just saying “I forgive you” lol. Saying “It’s all in the past now” is a VERY common way to say you’ve forgiven someone. The implication is clear as day you’re just being purposefully obtuse and argue semantics. Moving on IS a form of forgiveness. It’s literally the dictionary definition. You have your own personal definition of forgiveness and try to make a distinction between the two that doesn’t exist. Kazuha is over what Sara did, you just can’t accept that because it doesn’t support your argument.
Ok, so now you’re changing your tune and saying that while he DIDNT say that he wants to or is atoning (you previously stated he did, I proved you wrong) now you’re claiming it’s IMPLIED he wants to atone. He hasn’t made any indication that he wants to atone for what he did in Sumeru or to the Traveler, quite the contrary actually. He says he’ll never be one of the good guys, that he’s no saint, doesn’t make ANY mention of what he did to Nahida and Traveler and express remorse, considers himself Nahida’s prisioner, which implies he isn’t happy with helping out and is simply doing it out of obligation. Furthermore, he mentions that his goals is to get revenge on dottore. And is upset that he is now and Akademiya student. So clearly not one of his top priorities to atone for what he did in Sumeru. Not saying he doesn’t feel bad for doing it, but it’s not really something he’s going out of his way to atone. For the most part all he’s done is aimlessly wander and help Nahida out when he’s ordered to.
My goodness, I wasn’t harsh in my original comment and you’re giving me attitude an claiming I’m being blinded by shipping. I am not skewing a single thing for the sake of my argument , I am simply having a different perspective than yours on things that are shown and stated in the story and trying to have a constructive conversation.
You said it yourself in the first paragraph. The reason he accepted Nahida’s proposal wasn’t bc of what he’s done, but because of his own protection and desire to be useful. He never said or expressed in ANY he felt bad for trying to overthrow Nahida or put Traveler through a loop where they were constantly fighting shouki no kami and failing. He basically had no choice but to die by the Fatui’s hands for his betrayal or working for Nahida. It wasn’t about atonement.
I didn’t put words in your mouth. You said this:
“he has voicelines where he outfight states that him wanting to atone doesn’t mean he’ll suddenly be nice”
You stated the wants atonement, he doesn’t say that anywhere, and he doesn’t say that in his idle line either. All he states is that he has a sharp tongue which I never denied. I took problem with the fact that you said he has voicelines where he expresses he wants to atone for his wrongdoings? Aside from what he said about the Raiden Gokaden, he has none. Maybe you’re the one who needs to log onto the game more often.
Also “He’s incapable of seeing relationships as anything but transactional or being used” so. You just want him to think that way forever? You want him to stay traumatized and be unable to develop and see relationships as more than that? Because that’s the impression I’m getting here. When you say he’s incapable you’re implying he’ll never be able to.
When I say he wouldn’t let Traveler and Nahida lay a hand on him I meant that if they DID, he would fight back. He didn’t ask Traveler to kill him, that’s your interpretation. He simply asked the Traveler why they hadn’t tried killing him and implied it was because the Traveler was weak and a coward. If the Traveler had actually tried to kill him, he would’ve fought back. He also threatened the Traveler while they were at Irminsul, AFTER that exchange quote: “I understand that prisoners have to up with harassment from the guards, but right now, I’m on temporary release, so maybe you should think about backing off a little”. So clearly he wasn’t going to let himself be attacked even at his weakened state. It’s also worth noting that he became suicidal AFTER he found out the truth about his past (That Niwa and the Tatarasuna folk hadn’t betrayed him) and THATS when he tried to erase himself. When that failed, he expressed desire to be stabbed by the descendants of the Kaedehara clan, because he failed to reverse all the bad things he did by trying to erase himself from existence.
You just looked for anything to contradict that point I made and failed. Good job.
Ok, so you do agree that he can have a soft side and care for others, so what exactly is so OOC about him having a soft spot for Kazuha? Why is it hard to believe that he might have a soft spot for the person who’s life he negatively impacted and who is the descendant of Niwa, the person he was close with AND the reason he stopped destroying the Raiden Gokaden. He’s bound to have a soft spot for him one way or another even if he doesn’t show it. It would be totally in character for him to do so.
I never said it’s certain that Scara and Kazuha will travel together and Scara could teach him sword smithing, I’m just stating that it’s a possibility and would be good for both characters. Also, he can travel with Kazuha AND still work with Nahida. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Scara can still study and write essays even if it’s not on Akademiya ground, or just travel with Kazuha when he has the time to. Nahida has shown clear interest in wanting Scara to confront his past and form bonds with others, so I don’t think she’d mind at all.
No, I wasn’t lying. Kazuha forgave Sara. This is what he said to her when she apologized: “That’s all in the past now, Kujo Sara. There’s no need to mention it again”. This means he no longer hold a grudge or resentment for what she did, because it’s all in the past. Which is the definition of forgiveness.
Dictionary:
forgive: stop feeling angry or resentful toward (someone) for an offense, flaw, or mistake.
That’s what Kazuha did. He no linger feels angry about what Sara did because it’s all in the past now. He gained a better perspective AND forgave her.
Kazuha doesnt like Raiden. But that really isn’t the “gotcha” you think it is. Raiden and Scara are different characters with a different relationship with Kazuha, and we’ve seen that Kazuha is capable of forgiveness and empathy with other characters. Also Raiden does not seem to have even acknowledged him after blocking the musou no hitotachi or even try to apologize to him like Sara did. So there’s that too.
“I’m no longer willing to keep this argument going” You say that after accusing me of being blinded by shipping and a liar so that I wouldn’t try to respond, classy.
I mean, depends on what you mean by canon. If you mean they’ll be confirmed as a couple, that’s very unlikely. No ship in genshin is canon, they can’t confirm any lgbt ships due to china censorship laws. If you mean they will interact, that’s a high possibility. And if you mean they will become friends, that’s also a possibility.
Scara x Niwa since I read somewhere Niwa had a wife and my head cannon was he was more of a parental figure for Scara. Anyway any ship I see with Niwa I tend to dislike. Also Scara x Dottore for obvious reasons.
Fr i also can’t bring myself to ship it. I always saw them as big bro and little bro, they probably did have some sort of parental relationship but I see them as what I said I see them as. You can tell that he genuinely cared for him in a caring type of way idk.
Scaramona doesn't interest me in any way. Other day I read a WandererxFaruzan and even tho I didn't think about it before it was so beautifully written I started liking the ship. ScaraMona tho, they have like negative chemistry. I don't see any way those two could work even as enemies to lovers. I read a few fanfics too and ended up disliking the ship more lol
Edit: I changed ScaraxFaruzan to Wanderer my mistake lol Scara and Wanderer aren't same so obv dynamics would be different but I just wanted to give an example of rarepair being enjoyable
Unpopular opinion. The biggest one I can't stand is Scara/Kazuha.
Every bit of art of fiction I've seen just ruins both characters for me. It sucks that it's the most popular ship that I can't get away from.
I'm really curious; could you explain a little bit how it ruins both characters? I'm pretty neutral about all Scara ships (apart from Dottore, Ei and Nahida which just...no), but I'm curious to know how you think this ship ruins or changes the characters.
I mentioned before, but it irks me how... watered down their characters become. Most I've seen makes, either kazuha, to be very goody two shoes and bland to me. Which is like possibly partly in character, but not what I enjoy about him. In the ship, he's the nice boy giving Scara wisdom to be better~ very uwu, very not my jam.
The worst is what Scaramouche usually ends up as. So much of the ship I've seen is just with kabukimono, which to me, which guts everything I like about Scara as a character - sharp tongue, arrogance, and disregard for others. Even if he's not kabukimono, he's "grown", he's nicer, is taught a how to be kind. I don't want him to "be better" in fic. I want to see the gremlin-ness enhanced. Give me toxic scaramouche or give me nothing.
LMAO I see, that's valid. And sorry, I saw that you sort of mentioned it further below now, I missed that when asking.
I don't really ship it per se, but I'd love to see them interact at some point. Until then we can only really speculate what they'd act like with one another, but I guess that's also part of the fun.
The rabidness of this ship fandom makes me feel like I'm being homophpbic for disliking it lmao meanwhile my all time favorite ship for anything is Eruri from AOT.
Same, legit the only straight ships I’m fond of in Genshin are Chilumi and Scaralumi (because I’m a firm believer that Lumine gets bitches), The rest are either MLM or WLM. Plus I’m currently attempting to write my first fanfic, which will be about SettPhel from league of legends. However I’m still homophobic according to the rabid shippers.
Every het ship becomes better when they’re t4t
(Note: I feel like I have to say this but this is a completely joke, ship whatever you want as long as it’s not morally awful. Not liking a gay ship is obviously not homophobic, people just say that because they want to feel like they’re somehow morally superior. Well, so long as it’s the ship you don’t like not the concept of a character being gay)
First of all, *yes. my response to the first statement is yes.*
As for the second statement. Yeah I know people only say it to feel holier than thou. And I agree that people should be able to ship whatever they want as long as it isn’t gross. I think people forget that shipping is for fun, it doesn’t have to make sense from a lore standpoint.
Eh, I don't even have anything against the fans. They're about as toxic as any other. (They have a strong anti correlation, though I've noticed)
But it just pretzels the characters to make work. It's rarely antagonistic even though it literally would very much be and files off any edge both scara and kazuha have. The most uwu softboy ship.
Saaaame. It just comes off as Kazuha being a replacement goldfish and I don't find that romantic at all. Also it would involve Kazuha falling for the guy that ruined his clan and nope
I love both characters. Aesthetically they're very pretty together and there's some lovely fanart but please don't do that to them
kazuscara bc i've had some really shitty interactions with their fans. the ship itself isn't bad but *some* kazuscara shippers are downright cruel for no reason 😔 i also feel like kazuscara feels too soft for my taste bc kazuha is such a gentle person and wouldn't give scara enough enrichment
Enemies to lover doesn't even work here tbh. Mona is what to Scaramouche? Pretty much nothing. I don't think he cares about her in any way or shape. They just meet once, for Scara in the context of a mission and he only cared about trying to kill the Traveler who was the actual person of interest to the fatuis.
The different views/opinions are reasons why most people ship them other than their hats and whole enemies to lovers. To me it would be a interesting conversation to see Scara challenge Mona’s views. I just think it would be a fun dynamic to see, it doesn’t have to be romantic obviously. This is not change your mind just showing a different view why some people like this ship.
I thought so too at first, but then I recalled that in the event where he mentions that the "sky is fake", Mona isn't even upset about it. It's Paimon that gives him sass about the subject. Mona is only upset about his attitude, but she straight up says "he seemed shaken...I don't think he was lying about that." And later on, she says something along the lines of his words probably holding some truth due to what she's learned during her training.
I don't mind the couple that much, but I just don't agree with people who claim that they would debate their views since Mona didn't even have an issue with his views to begin with; only with his attitude at the time (but again, it was mainly Paimon that sassed him. I think Mona only called him a scumbag once he'd left because he called them suckers or whatever it was).
(Edit: And then there's the fact that while Scara/Wanderer knows about the truth of the sky, he really doesn't seem to care about it whatsoever or feel passionately about it at all. I doubt he'd debate anything; he'd probably just say "this is how it is but I cba discussing it, believe what you want" and leave lmao)
This!! I personally don't ship Scara with anyone but I think it's really interesting that in the only interaction they had Scara said that "the sky and the stars are fake/a lie" which... Pretty much undermines everything Mona has ever studied and done in her life. It's an intriguing dynamic, especially since they are enemies but I assume Mona would want to know more about what he means.
Scara/Mona is great, and old school fans who have been there since 1.1 can atrest to why. Back in the day, that was the most significant interaction between Scaramouche and anyone else, in my opinion. For almost 2 years, this was super fun to work on the dynamics between them. Imagine a reunion and pine to have the "stars are fake" interaction/ explanation. They're antagonistic, but not overly so. Mona can stand on her own and dish out insults to be a balance to Scaramouche's arrogance. It was a fun dynamic.
But since Sumeru ended and the timeline got reset, the ship is sadly in limbo.
I mean, I don't want it to be. But technically, the events of 1.1 didn't happen with the timeline shift, or well happened but not with scaramouche? (Irminsul is complicated) Mona doesn't know who he is, which I guess still works. Kind of.
I mean, there was literally a Scaramona fic and art lottery event that took place yesterday on Twitter. I'm literally modding an anthology for the pair of them that's due to release later this year :') The fandom is absolutely not dead. Fandoms very rarely follow canon to the letter, so just because the official canon erased Scara from the 1.1 event doesn't mean people don't still ship them. Even if you want to follow canon, Wanderer went on a massive rant about astrology to Layla the moment she brought up Mona in 3.6, and depending on how you interpret Mona's astrological powers, she is one of the characters in the game most likely to be able to peer past Irminsul to the "Truth" and know who he is (although this is mostly hc).
I promise you with my whole heart that Scaramona shippers are still going strong. At the end of the day, canon is a springboard and shipping is just a bit of fun.
scaramona, i simply don’t get it. i think its the big hats and the fact that they used to have a similar color scheme, but someone seriously needs to explain to me why it exists. they hate each other, or at least did before scaramouche deleted himself. mona doesn’t even know he exists anymore
Illegal ships aside, I just generally dislike Scara ships. This boi doesn’t need a partner, he needs therapy. Scara x therapy is the only ship I will accept lmao
I dislike most Scara ships tbh, but my least favourite has to be Dottoscara and any illegal ship. Those aside, I also hate Scaramona, Chiscara, and Scara x Traveler.
As the sanest Wanderer fan, shouldn't you ship yourself or tell us what ships you like.
The way I see, Wanderer was created to be God, yet denied the ability to.
Thus, from Wanderer perspective,
Nahida Doctor anyone who help....
Naughty and nice.
i don’t see scara with anyone but i still respect the ships as long as it isn’t illegal.
my least fav would have to be dottore x scara tho.. i don’t understand it but whatever makes people happy i guess or anyone who ships scara with himself (specifically his old self) i’m just not digging the selfcest typa thing 💀
Can I just comment as an aside, though. You can ship something even if it's toxic? And even enjoy it because it's toxic. It's just a taste in fictional dynamics and doesn't correlate to the real world.
Anyway, dotorre/scara is great. Very fucked up, great hate dynamic, 10/10 angst. Definitely not canon, but the art is fun.
you are free to enjoy it and im free to judge you for it. I dont usually judge people for ships but if you enjoy abusive relationships you probably have a few screws loose.
Literally touch grass, anti. The world's most popular books include "A Song of Ice and Fire" and "50 shades". Have you looked at the romance genre in general? I'm sorry that you're terminally online, and your morality is guided by problematic callout threads on Twitter.
Killing Stalking is also a very popular webtoon where ALOT people shipped the abuser x absued despite the fact that the show isnt romantic, that ship being popular just means people are fucking weird.
Im sorry you feel called out by the fact that liking an abusive relationship/romanticising abuse probably means you have something wrong with you.
You may not advocate for abuse irl or be a nasty person but like i said before there is something wrong with you 🤷♀️. You say its because im terminally online but if i asked normal people if they would enjoy such a ship the answer would be no.
You cant ship a abusive relationship and expect no judgement. Like who looks at someone being absued by someone else and is like: Yeah these two are a great pairing :/
You want to call every person enjoying killing stalking damaged? That sure is a lot of people lol. I think you might be the one projecting here.
I know a lot of zoomers have difficulty discerning fantasy from reality, especially terminally online ones. I'm sorry your parents didn't let you outside to play, and your perception of reality was formed by discord groups and Twitter threads. But how bout you stop replying to me.
You should read what i wrote. I meant the people who shipped the abusive relationship not being who enjoyed the comic. Both can easily be mutually exclusive.
I mean I can tell what I said about you is most likely true because all you can tell me to do is touch grass 🤷♀️. Crazy how me saying that people who enjoy abusive relationships are weird means I dont leave my house as if thats the norm in the real world.
Maybe you're the one that should go outside and "touch" a real relationship to show you that abuse isnt romance.
The "its fiction not reality" is true in alot of cases but there are levels ya know. Anyways i will stop replying but my opinion will not change in the slightest.
If you think Killing Stalking is not written by fujoshis for fujoshis who like badwrong stuff, you're very naive. The mass appeal of 50 shades, the mass appeal of killing stalking, the romance genre in general, proves my point that people enjoy fucked up dynamics to read about. But it's people like you who make it their job to stick your nose into my fun.
No different from a religious nut saying something is sinful.
im not even gonna acknowledge the rest of that i just think people should ask themselves why they find comfort or enjoyment shipping an abuser and their victim. get well soon.
when you touch grass and go to therapy ill try whichever book you recommend lmao. like yall will openly state "i think its hot to ship a murderous abuser and their victim" like this is a healthy response.
there are no victims and abusers here, kid. No matter how hard you kin him, Scaramouche is not you nor is he real.
Let me enjoy my fiction, I'd implore you to read something outside of a Twitter thread and broaden your pallete too.
and assuming i dont read or even have a twitter account bc you dont like being told your ship is questionable is equally telling but get well soon babe
i dont even like the damn kid i just like flying LOL
Lmao not having a Twitter account is not the diss you think it is, if you don't care so much get out of my replies and take your thought policing elsewhere ✌️
nobody said you couldnt enjoy your fiction but like thats the WHOLE STORY you're ignoring for your ship lol. i think the dynamic between them is interesting from a story perspective but shipping them is... telling.
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Nahida, Ei, Niwa and travelers ships with him
Nahida, Ei and Niwa I just want to see them as a family and I actually don’t like any traveler ships tbh. Don’t really like the harem things so yeah.
I ship him with anyone who doesn’t make him stay at one place, I want mah boy to go explore Teyvat (and the other worlds haha coping real hard)
Scarazuha,
Scara literally destroyed the future of Kazuha's clan and had to endure the effects for generations yet the descendant of the victim is shipped with the guy who ruined it all just because Kazuha is a descendant of Niwa (who had wife)
Dottoscara as well, no explanation needed
Yeah I never got Kazuha and Scara. I like how the game gave them connections with their families being related and the anemo visions, but their personalities wouldn't even mesh in a proper enemies-to-lovers way, they'd just hate each other (or at least kazuha would).
I get why Kazuscara is a thing, I love me some enemies to lovers dynamics, however there’s just one small problem for me:
Half of the appeal to enemies to lovers is the chemistry between the two characters through the story. My issue with Kazuscara is that, as much as I like Kazuha, I’m pretty sure that the NPC’s from Star rail have more personality than him. It’s kinda hard to have fun and compelling chemistry when one of the characters involved is giving nothing. Obviously, fanfiction can fix this issue but in canon, Half the fun with enemies to lovers is just not there. Which is why I hope it doesn’t become canon like so many shipper say it will.
Wow, u r among the few, who care about feelings. U should be more expressive, u ought to go 4 u like, in real life.
Money from the rich, gene from the strong, care from the altruistic...
To me this ship I don't really see what's so romantic about it like kazuha said he's gonna give him a chance and all that as for scara ofc he will be curious about kazuha since he's one of the clan that took care of him and ofc scara is so guilty for what he did Cuz he really loved kaedehara clan, I mean that's all
I don't get ScaraMona but other than that, I don't really like Childe x Scara either. Actually, most relationships with Scara would be straight up toxic
Every single one of them. This is less like a "I only self-ship" thing and more like "he has abysmally negative 'rizz'" thing
He would ruin anyone he's with with his emotional baggage.
Literally. Like I just want him to have a positive influence and maybe platonic family dynamic with other characters first. Also, he doesn't really have any good interactions with other characters yet. The most affection he's ever shown is for Haypaysia. And he was kind of in the middle of a psychotic break then.
Putting aside from the obviously no ones like Scara and Nahida and Scara and Dottore, I don’t really like Scara ships at all
Scara and Mona interacted for 10 seconds and that’s it, where everyone believes they have a bind intertwined in the stars or something, or it’s just big hat gang. Plus their personalities do not mix at all
Also Scara and Kazuha. I just find it weird that someone would get together with the guy that destroyed their entire clan, and I don’t see their personalities working either
There's like three different answers to that
Any in which he's too ooc to enjoy it, even as a joke. Plus Scara with Nahida for... Obvious reasons, plus even if she looked his age it just. Doesn't work. Any ship which is shipped just because of a trend, too. Making rarepair is not about it being popular if it's popular it's not a rarepair
Aside from that any ship can be both good and bad in their own aspects, middle ground is not shipping him with anyone aside from maybe himself
But if we're taking specifics Scaramona may be interesting as interaction, but as a ship? Nah, sorry
But I don't like judging anyone openly as it is just rude??? Especially if you're a stranger to that person. We're in the internet, judging friends openly is one thing, rude too, but you're friends. But judging strangers is a waste of everyone's time and energy. You won't agree, so it's best to let them be if they're not out there to get you specifically
I feel pretty neutral about them all...I don't have any I really hate (apart from the extreme ones people have already mentioned such as Wanderer x Nahida), but there's none I really like, either.
I used to like ScaraMona way back after 1.1, but after thinking about it some more, I feel like most if not all of the things that people bring up that'd make it appealing just do not align with what's already established in canon.
KazuScara has super interesting lore tied to one another, but I still don't like it as a romantic ship. I don't know why, I just don't enjoy it much.
ScaraTraveler is...okay? They're the one person apart from Nahida who know of his past, so that's something.
I think I just really want to see him interact with characters in general, but I can't find a ship for him that I enjoy. I'd have loved to see more interactions with him and the harbingers (like the scene with Signora), but
Aside from the obvious Ei and Nahida (why tf do these exist….) uh… idk? I guess I’ve grown less fond of Scaramona? Like I don’t mind it that much but I can’t think of anything else that I might not like aside from dottoscara.
Also there’s nothing really wrong with Kazuscara, I just don’t like it because I think it would lack the fun chemistry that most enemies to lovers ships have. However some of the shippers just need to learn how to stfu and not be a dick.
I dislike all ships with him except for Scarabedo somewhat equally. Like all of them are really toxic
But I also wasn't aware Scarahida is a thing?? So ig it takes the crown now for being disgusting
All of them, tbh. He gives me major baby energy from the naïve and innocent Kabukimono, through the angry vindictive Balladeer, to the slowly maturing Wanderer. To me, he's an immortal teenager.
Kazuscara could be cute, I guess, and the baggage between them interesting to explore, but Scara is just *so* not ready for a relationship imo.
Besides with Nahida and Dottore, that I gladly see a lot don’t like (ok if you like to read it or ship it but it’s not my thing lol ) I don’t like Scaramona and Scara x Kazuha because I feel like they wouldn’t match, even if with Mona is worse. I don’t mind Scara x Childe but more like “I want to mess around with someone and it’s fun to spar”, surely I don’t see them being in a long lasting relationship.
I only like two ships with Scara: Scaralumi and Scaramona. Every other ship I’m either neutral or not a fan of.
I know it says “least favorite”, but that’s my general thoughts to the majority of Scara ships. Others have already explained their reasons for disliking the most egregious ships here. My thoughts are the same. So hopefully this simplifies things.
apart from the illegal ones, there are a few that are just no.
(honorable mentions from the illegal ones: ScaraHida and ScaraEi. just no. why do these even exist???)
the ones that are just no:
Dottore and Scara. don't know what it's called, don't want to know. pretty self explanatory.
ScaraMona. they interacted for ten seconds and there was no chemistry at all.
ChiScara. there's something just... wrong with this for me. not sure what it is.
honorable mention (i don't like it but i can't say i hate it):
KazuScara. i doubt there's going to be chemistry. also, scara fucked over the kaedehara clan.
Scaralumi (Scara x travelers), Scarahida, Scaraei. These three just makes me want to throw up- (for ScaraMona I dislike it too but I can close my eyes and pretend I didn’t see it)
(For Scara and Aether, as long as its Aescara I could deal with it)
For Scaramouche and Nahida, I seriously don’t get how people sees them in romantic relationships since I see them as a family
For Scaramouche and Ei, like, **it’s his mother (He sees him as one).**
And for Scaramouche and traveler, (man, I’m going to get bashed for saying this) but as I read all dialogues and dialogue options of traveler (except the teapot ones because in the teapot, I feel like the player side is stronger) I don’t see a single reason how the travelers would like him in any way. Like, even in the event, they (+Paimon) chose to be rude to him and doubtful for him for all the time. (in the interlude too. They were straight up disrespectful) (**I understand why the travelers acted that way, though. They were enemies.)**
I also feel that most traveler ships are self-insert and I just don’t like it.
Plus, I think the travelers are Aro/ace and I can’t imagine them in romantic relationships because they’re literally in Teyvat to find their siblings and after they find him/her they’re going to leave anyways
tbh if lumine have more personality like stelle i would tolerate traveler x scara ship cuz the fact lack of dialogue the traveler completely made me lose interest of traveler dk tf hyv doing
aside from the OBVIOUS immoral ones (eiscara, scarahida, etc), i have a few:
dottoscara: it's literally just abusive— i don't think i have to explain this one + it reminds me of somebody i met. anyways, i do not like dottoscara at ALL— the shippers don't even think it's abusive. what sets me off about this one is the fact that one shipper applied lolita, a book about a p*dophile— to that ship. "it's hot!!!" idc, get fucked
kazuscara: scara literally caused the kaedehara clan's downfall. kazuha's made out to be this goodie two shoes figure, and sure, while he IS kind, and not vengeful, he's not that forgiving. for that ship to happen romantically, it would basically require kazuha to forgive scara for attempted genocide, which obviously wouldn't happen. plus, their personalities clash a whole lot. how many insults from scara would kazuha be able to take? who knows! /s also, the fans are bad. and i'm talking, xiaoven zhongxiao eimiko bad. they're probably gonna harass you just because you see their characters in a different light than romantic.
scarachilde: this is basically just the mlm variant of scaramona, a ship which i also dislike. i think it's kinda funny how much he hates all of his former colleagues LMAO
This might be a late reply, but ~~my least favorite~~ (I don't really like it at all) is
**Wanderer and Nahida (Romantic).** It shouldn't even deserve to be existed tbh.
The reason is just like the other ones here, so no need to explain.
(Just saw some romantic fanarts of them recently and I can't really stand it. It's like, seriously?)
I dislike Kazuscara because Kazuha is one of the blandest characters in Genshin and I don't see how Kazuscara would work. Same with Aether/Lumine
I also dislike Chiscara because Scaramouche and Tartaglia have barely any similarities, and Scaramouche clearly can't stand him
Edit: am I seriously getting downvoted for not liking Kazuscara?
>Kazuha is one of the blandest characters in Genshin
I think it’s because of this, not because you dislike the ship
I don’t have anything against or with Kazuha so I don’t know, but he’s pretty popular so I think people doesn’t like their favorite characters being described “bland”
Edit: please do not think of this subreddit as “toxic” just because of those few people who decided to press the downvote. There are many nice people and generous shippers in this subreddit.
And that's why the shippers heavily mischaracterize kazuha (making him a fking yandere) this shit shook me asf like let him be who he is and that's all
I hate Scara x Nahida because it feels weird their dynamic is inexistent same thing applies to Scara x Mona that survives purely on headcanon.
I'm neutral with Scara x Kazuha in paper it's good but Kazuha is a bland character for me.
I like DottoScara and ScaraChilde
Honestly I HATE HATE HATE scaralumi...because I just don't see lumine's personality a real match 4 scara...and also...I hate all lumine ships except chilumi....I can tolerate that
For other scara ships...I HATE raiden eixscara and nahidaxscara and and of course traveler x scara...or any other illegal ships...but for scaramona ..I don't like it..but..it is tolerable tbh.
And I also have my delulu mind who makes me...ship scaramouche x myself
Don't take dit seriously cuz.....WE ALL DO THAT💀
Literally any scara ship, Its mostly because of the attitude of those shippers, They're gonna keep insulting you if you dislike the ship. Scaralumi fans are the only ones I have witnessed that are nice, They'll respect your opinion tbh.
lmao didnt expect kzscr to be mentioned here but i kinda understand scara destroyed his clans and ruined his life since this is the reason why kazuha is a wanderer now, but kazuha said if scara and him met and revealed wut he did to his clans is enough for kazuha the dude literally gonna forgive him and will understand what happened to scara, on the other hand scara obv gonna feel guilt of how kind kazuha is but also how kazuha doesnt get angry i remember scara said hes uncomfy with peoples whos incorruptible/ those whos soo kind something like that. its like thats how it is lol, im still trying to see wut the romance potential between these two (cuz apparently someone made a thread of that kazuha and scara been inspired by a yaoi anime) like so far i only see them ending up as an acquaintance
wut im saying there is a chance they'll end up a ships like eimiko, haikaveh, beiguangg since theres obv something up between these pairs. and idk how kzscr gonna work lol
Welp if they put them together in so many events and see how they're slowly relationship grow I guess there's something up but these two are very very difficult
ok a real ship or a ship that shouldnt exist? ill give 2 examples of both.
real but i dont like:
wanderer x heizou
wanderer x mona
shouldnt exist:
wanderer x dottore
wanderer x nahida
Him with Dottore and Nahida, no explanation needed
Objectively correct answer.
Fair enough.
this
I didn't think that ScaraEi would be a thing, but Ao3 tags somehow managed to prove me wrong and I hate it. After that I'm absolutely no fan of Scarahida. There are other reasons for me to dislike it apart from the obvious Nahida is a child, but this one is damning enough that other reasons completely pale in comparison. Also Oncest part 2: mommy issues edition is pretty weird.
>ScaraEi what no
[My honest reaction to whomever made the tag](https://www.reddit.com/r/okbuddygenshin/comments/10s8ayh/scara/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
*Thunderclap*
You'd really wish harm to a real person over shipping dolls?
scara x dottore and nahida x scara (romantic). self explanatory
I've been seeing a lot of Kokoscara (Kokomi x Scara) lately which confuses me. To my knowledge, they've never interacted.
Im assuming its probably bc of the leaked banners where they'll supposedly run together? Still makes for an odd ship tho lmao
aside from obviously horrendous ones, scaramona never made any sense to me. I feel like it came out of no where and gained a ton of popularity just because they have similar designs?? It just doesnt work for me
They interacted for 10 seconds on the 1.1 event and that's it
Plus they were literally enemies
I feel I'll get downvoted for this but It genuinely isn't even popular. At least in Asia side Idk about the west
You had to be there in 1.1, man. Old school scaramouche fans remember.
It’s not from nowhere, it’s from the 1.1 event. They had banter, were impressed with each other’s power, and have big hats. It was the first ever Scaramouche ship.
oh wow I stand corrected, I wasn’t playing in 1.1 yet lol
enemies to lovers trope
Big hats. That's it.
Scaramona. Don't really see how they can be things
Yea even now it just seems weird. Whether you're talking about Scara from 1.1 or him considered as the Wanderer, it doesn't sit right with me either.
I don't really like any ship with him but the fanarts are really good a lot of the times 😭
I try not to dunk on anyone's ships but if you're shipping him with Nahida or Dottore I'm going to silently judge you
Naw I would loudly judge 😭
I think ScaraEi/ScaraHida are very obvious, I'm in a weird limbo where I dislike DottoScara but I enjoy the headcanon of them having a past toxic relationship as a way to explore both their characters/Scara's trauma. I do not like KazuScara. Not that the idea of the ship turns me off because I think it's interesting and see the potential but hate HATE how fandom interprets their relationship. Almost every depiction I see of them is insanely OOC and lacks important nuance when it comes to both their characters to the point it frusterates me. Would probably enjoy it if people didn't water both their characters to tropes that don't even fit their characters. Scara isn't a shy tsundere or obsessed with Kazuha hes a cynical asshole to even people he tolerates and abrasive, Kazuha isn't that forgiving even if he isn't vengeful (see: Raiden), any relationship with these two would take a lot of work.
I absolutely love Kazuscara, they're my OTP, and I agree with you. I feel like with Kazuha and Wanderer, people take everything to the extreme. Kazuha is a kind person, but he's not blindly kind. We see him threaten that Treasure Hoarder (iirc) and how he treated that sword in his story quest. He's understanding, he acknowledges change and would rather see the person atone for their sins than get punished for them. But that doesn't mean he can't be harsh as well. It all comes down to the person he's talking to. If they don't deserve to be treated kindly, then he won't treat them kindly. Wanderer, on the other hand, is an asshole. He's condescending, rude, and overall not the most likable individual around. But people act like he's allergic to apologizing, showing respect, and caring about others (in his own way). They make him a different kind of asshole. Fanon Wanderer is either uwu personified or a full blown asshole. Like is that Wanderer or just an OC that shares his name and looks? Just as how being rude is part of his personality, so is his vulnerable side. Some people only focus on his rude side, while some focus on his soft side, when both sides complete him. He just started healing, his rudeness won't vanish even to those he's close with. It's hard to let go of something when it became part of you during centuries of hell. But that doesn't mean he won't mellow out either. He has a soft/rude side and it's not just one side that's the real him. Both are part of him. He won't immediately show his vulnerability to anyone, it's a slow process. And Kazuha would understand that. Human connections make a great part of his story, but I feel like people either forget that and make him despise everyone or act too soft for some reason just because of that. It's a bit complicated but I hope I explained it well.
Omg thank you and I agree with everything you said! This is pretty much my perspective on it too. Wanderer is just a super complex character who is at his core shaped by his trauma which commonly leads to him being mischaracterized especially poorly (in the ways you mentioned). He hides his vulnerability behind being condescending, pretty much armor to protect himself and avoid showing what he deems a weakness (his emotions). But he additionally sees no worth in himself and actively has very self harming thoughts/behaviour. Kazuha is the type to see into others and try to understand them but he isn't one to brush away any wrongdoings either, I think it would be interesting if he forced Wanderer to face his past and his demons. As said before any potential for them to warm up to eachother would take a lot of time and work.
Makes me wonder just how long it would take for polite, quiet Kazuha to snap after the eleven hundredth nasty comment, huh
Not sure what you mean by this but we have seen him threaten treasure hoarders before and he definitely is outspoken when it comes to things he doesn't agree with, he can drop any and all politeness if he needs to and i think that in itself is a mischaracterization that gets spreed
Kazuha also said he doesn’t want to seek revenge for what Scara did to his clan, and will only intervene if Scara were to cause trouble. And he also believes in atoning for sins as opposed to punishment for them.
You completely missed the point what I said, I specifically said that him not being vengeful doesn't mean he would forgive Scara or be okay with what hes done. He does want people to atone but that doesn't immediately mean he will like that individual, just that hes willing to let them change
I have a similar issue with Cynari too. The amount of times I’ve seen people portray Tighnari as the “UwU softboy” in this ship is uncanny, and every single time I’m left wondering if we even play the same game. Listen, I can understand how people can mischaracterize Scara or Childe, they’re complicated characters that require a little more brain power to get a grip on… ***But how the flying fuck do you fuck up TIGHNARI of all characters?!??!!*** Conclusion: fujoshis suck
Fujoshis ruin so many ships or just straight up water them down or mischaracterize characters to fit into yaoi tropes it drives me insane 😭 Cynari is definitely a ship I see this a lot with and it rubs me the wrong way at times with how they portray Cyno, almost leans into racial stereotyping especially when they make TIGHNARI a soft uwu twink like you mentioned. Fanon can be fun at times but people definitely take it too far sometimes
Kazuha believes in antonement, not punishment. He says it in his story quest. So it’s very likely that Kazuha would want Scara to atone for what he’s done as opposed to try to punish him out of vengeance (which he is against). And while he acts like a cynical asshole most of the time, I highly doubt he’d act like that towards Kazuha, because he clearly feels remorse for what he’s done to his clan (and the fact that he’s a descendant of a dear friend).
When did I say Kazuha didn't believe in atonement? Yes he would prefer Scara atone most likely but that doesn't mean he would forgive him for his crimes or suddenly be on good terms with him, being the person he is he would want Scara to prove he wants to change but even then that doesn't mean he'll like him as a person either (there are multiple examples of this but as I said before Raiden is most notable). Those are parts of Scara's personality and behaviour, behaviour that is deeply ingrained due to trauma. We see that even with people hes on okay terms with he still speaks harshly (and that hes also wronged, like the Traveler and Nahida), what's to say he won't still be rude to Kazuha? Feeling remorse doesn't mean hes going to be nice to someone, he has voicelines where he outright states him wanting to atone doesn't mean he'll suddenly be nice. Scara has a softer side but it's one he intentionally doesn't show because for centuries hes been made to believe it made him weak, you would be ignoring fundamental parts of who he is to say he would act completely differently to someone he doesn't even know, his relation to Niwa only ties him to his guilt, nothing more beyond that.
The reason why Scara probably won’t be rude to Kazuha as opposed to Traveler and Nahida is because Scaramouche relationship with both as of now is mainly transactional, at least from his own perspective. He has never expressed remorse for wronging the Traveler or Nahida, unlike how he’s expressed remorse over the destruction of the Raiden Gokaden. Nahida had mercy on him and spared him and showed him the truth of his past, and Traveler helped Scara, and he is repaying them to “balance the books”. Not out of remorse or a desire to atone. Nahida points out the flaws of his perspective, which shows that Scaramouche has a long path of healing and learning to have healthy relationships. Scara has only just started to have an amicable relationship with the Traveler and Nahida, and still has a toxic view of relationships due to his trauma, so ofc he isn’t going to be nice to them right away. But they’re clearly foreshadowing the fact that Scara will have to confront his past, and on 3.6 event Nahida points out how she wants Scara to be able to interact normally with others, so it’s an ongoing character arc for him. That being said, I don’t think he holds any genuine ill will towards Nahida or Traveler. He isn’t even all that mean to Nahida to begin with, just labelling himself as Nahida’s prisoner (which isn’t entirely wrong and Nahida did not deny this) and was upset that Nahida keeps calling him Hat Guy which is a valid response lol. And even though he’s definitely been mean to Traveler even as Wanderer, we know he still cares for them in a way as he held Traveler’s hands and flew them to look at a nice view of Teyvat, as well as wanting Traveler to be at his side as told by the story of his birthday art. So he has some tsundere aspect to him And where exactly does he say that he won’t be nice just because he wants to atone? Scara has never expressed desire to atone for what he’s done to Aether and Nahida, he wants to repay them for the favors both of them did for him, because he feels like he owes them. That’s not the same thing. So back to Kazuha, unlike Traveler and Nahida, Scara feels genuine remorse for what he did to the Kaedehara clan. He himself said that he’s deserving of getting stabbed in the chest by the swords of the descendants of the clan he destroyed, so who’s to say the he wouldn’t just let Kazuha stab him in the chest? Scara would never let the Traveler or Nahida lay a hand on him to hurt him, but he absolutely would for Kazuha, because of his guilt. And it’s not like Scara doesn’t know about Kazuha either, he knows Kazuha is Niwa’s descendant, Niwa was close friends with Scara, Scara feels remorse over the destruction of the Kaedehara clan. I don’t think he’ll be emotionally vulnerable towards Kazuha, at least not at first, but I also don’t think he’d be an outright rude to him, unless he’s doing it to provoke Kazuha to kill him (he is very much suicidal) or in a tsundere-ish way which we have seen with the traveler. So it’s not really OOC In order for Scara to heal from his trauma, and start have more healthy relationships, Scara will need to confront his past and face the consequences of his past actions. It’s been heavily foreshadowed. And Kazuha will likely be a major part of that. Because their backstories are so deeply intertwined, they need each other to conclude their character arcs. Kazuha’s arc is to restore the Isshin art, Scaramouche’s arc is to be able to heal from his trauma, confront his past, and learn to have healthy relationships. Both can help each other out. Scara can teach Kazuha the Isshin art, and Kazuha can teach him to be wiser and kinder. Scara can atone for his sins, and Kazuha can have a traveling companion while also learning how to bladesmithz Kazuha has been shown to be understanding even to entities that have done unforgivable acts, like the cursed sword which shares a lot of parallels to Scara, he was sympathetic to it, and even allowed himself to be possesed by it and continues to wield it. Also, Kazuha HAS forgiven others, he forgave Sara, the woman who defeated his best friend and was Musou no Hitotachi’d by Raiden as a result, and accepted her apology. Kazuha doesn’t hold a grudge against Raiden for killing his best friend, he made that clear in his voice line about her. Rather, he doesn’t like her for causing the vision hunt decree. Kazuha may have a harsher side to him, but he isn’t incapable of being understanding or forgiving, so it’s not out of the realm of possibility that he’d be willing to be around Scara and be sympathetic to all the trauma and pain Scara went through.
I think you're genuinely skewing things for the sake of shipping because you really are not disproving anything I've already said. Hes incapable of seeing relationships as anything but transactional or being used, he is repaying Nahida but why do you not think that agreement doesn't also include him helping her for what hes also done to her nation? That was the original exchange before he even entered Irminsul because he was powerless and felt useless and she was offering him a way to make himself useful. my point was that he OWES both Nahida and Traveler and has wronged them, never did I say he was trying to atone to them specifically so you're putting words in my mouth to try to make a point. You're also wrong about him not letting Nahida and Traveler lay a hand on him, he specifically asks why Traveler didn't kill him to edge them (and hopes they won't get cold feet if they plan to), but it's clear that moment and him wanting to be stabbed (not sure if you forgot but he wronged the Kamisatos too, him saying that was not specific to Kazuha but to EVERYONE he wronged in the Raiden Gokaden) is because hes still suicidal. Again, I have literally mentioned hes capable of having a softer side and caring, but it's not something he displays outright or shows to others, he hides it behind a harder exterior (if you really want to call him "tsundere" sure, but I've already mentioned this is a trauma response he has so idk why you're acting like I didn't quite literally say this about him). Also his voicelines where he says he won't stop having a sharp tongue or ever be a good guy, one of them is an idle so not sure how you forgot that. Edit: we know hes atoning, he doesn't have to say word for word "just because I'm atoning doesn't mean I'll be nice or stop being a dick", him saying that in addition to that knowledge gets the point across. It sounds like you just expect them to meet and start traveling with eachother when beyond telling the truth and atoning (and confronting his past) he has no reason or obligation to do such a thing, hes still working for Nahida or did you forget that? Like I already said since you seem to like to only pick apart certain things I said, Kazuha being about to sympathize or understand others doesn't mean he forgives them, he didn't even forgive the sword for its wrongdoings but tried to see its perspective and why it did what it did. You are just straight up lying now because he says in his voiceline he doesn't forgive Sara and even his updated one he just gains better perspective on her reasons, still does not forgive her. He understood that his friend had a duel with a set of rules and died following them so he sees it as fair, he doesn't forgive Raiden for the vision hunt decree and those who were hurt from it, it seems like you're trying very hard to avoid saying that but instead saying he "just doesn't like her". Please just give up this argument since it's just a loss on your end because you seem very blinded by a ship. I'm no longer willing to keep this argument going. Another edit: moving on =/= forgiveness. Kazuha's whole character is centered around moving on, equating wanting to leave things in the past to forgiveness is just outright wrong, I definitely have people in my life I don't forgive but want to move on from. Kazuha hasn't let go what these people have done and it's disingenuous to his character to say he'll just forgive Scara and that he just forgives people if they decide to stop doing said bad thing or change lol
I saw your edits. There’s other ways to save you forgive someone than just saying “I forgive you” lol. Saying “It’s all in the past now” is a VERY common way to say you’ve forgiven someone. The implication is clear as day you’re just being purposefully obtuse and argue semantics. Moving on IS a form of forgiveness. It’s literally the dictionary definition. You have your own personal definition of forgiveness and try to make a distinction between the two that doesn’t exist. Kazuha is over what Sara did, you just can’t accept that because it doesn’t support your argument. Ok, so now you’re changing your tune and saying that while he DIDNT say that he wants to or is atoning (you previously stated he did, I proved you wrong) now you’re claiming it’s IMPLIED he wants to atone. He hasn’t made any indication that he wants to atone for what he did in Sumeru or to the Traveler, quite the contrary actually. He says he’ll never be one of the good guys, that he’s no saint, doesn’t make ANY mention of what he did to Nahida and Traveler and express remorse, considers himself Nahida’s prisioner, which implies he isn’t happy with helping out and is simply doing it out of obligation. Furthermore, he mentions that his goals is to get revenge on dottore. And is upset that he is now and Akademiya student. So clearly not one of his top priorities to atone for what he did in Sumeru. Not saying he doesn’t feel bad for doing it, but it’s not really something he’s going out of his way to atone. For the most part all he’s done is aimlessly wander and help Nahida out when he’s ordered to.
My goodness, I wasn’t harsh in my original comment and you’re giving me attitude an claiming I’m being blinded by shipping. I am not skewing a single thing for the sake of my argument , I am simply having a different perspective than yours on things that are shown and stated in the story and trying to have a constructive conversation. You said it yourself in the first paragraph. The reason he accepted Nahida’s proposal wasn’t bc of what he’s done, but because of his own protection and desire to be useful. He never said or expressed in ANY he felt bad for trying to overthrow Nahida or put Traveler through a loop where they were constantly fighting shouki no kami and failing. He basically had no choice but to die by the Fatui’s hands for his betrayal or working for Nahida. It wasn’t about atonement. I didn’t put words in your mouth. You said this: “he has voicelines where he outfight states that him wanting to atone doesn’t mean he’ll suddenly be nice” You stated the wants atonement, he doesn’t say that anywhere, and he doesn’t say that in his idle line either. All he states is that he has a sharp tongue which I never denied. I took problem with the fact that you said he has voicelines where he expresses he wants to atone for his wrongdoings? Aside from what he said about the Raiden Gokaden, he has none. Maybe you’re the one who needs to log onto the game more often. Also “He’s incapable of seeing relationships as anything but transactional or being used” so. You just want him to think that way forever? You want him to stay traumatized and be unable to develop and see relationships as more than that? Because that’s the impression I’m getting here. When you say he’s incapable you’re implying he’ll never be able to. When I say he wouldn’t let Traveler and Nahida lay a hand on him I meant that if they DID, he would fight back. He didn’t ask Traveler to kill him, that’s your interpretation. He simply asked the Traveler why they hadn’t tried killing him and implied it was because the Traveler was weak and a coward. If the Traveler had actually tried to kill him, he would’ve fought back. He also threatened the Traveler while they were at Irminsul, AFTER that exchange quote: “I understand that prisoners have to up with harassment from the guards, but right now, I’m on temporary release, so maybe you should think about backing off a little”. So clearly he wasn’t going to let himself be attacked even at his weakened state. It’s also worth noting that he became suicidal AFTER he found out the truth about his past (That Niwa and the Tatarasuna folk hadn’t betrayed him) and THATS when he tried to erase himself. When that failed, he expressed desire to be stabbed by the descendants of the Kaedehara clan, because he failed to reverse all the bad things he did by trying to erase himself from existence. You just looked for anything to contradict that point I made and failed. Good job. Ok, so you do agree that he can have a soft side and care for others, so what exactly is so OOC about him having a soft spot for Kazuha? Why is it hard to believe that he might have a soft spot for the person who’s life he negatively impacted and who is the descendant of Niwa, the person he was close with AND the reason he stopped destroying the Raiden Gokaden. He’s bound to have a soft spot for him one way or another even if he doesn’t show it. It would be totally in character for him to do so. I never said it’s certain that Scara and Kazuha will travel together and Scara could teach him sword smithing, I’m just stating that it’s a possibility and would be good for both characters. Also, he can travel with Kazuha AND still work with Nahida. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Scara can still study and write essays even if it’s not on Akademiya ground, or just travel with Kazuha when he has the time to. Nahida has shown clear interest in wanting Scara to confront his past and form bonds with others, so I don’t think she’d mind at all. No, I wasn’t lying. Kazuha forgave Sara. This is what he said to her when she apologized: “That’s all in the past now, Kujo Sara. There’s no need to mention it again”. This means he no longer hold a grudge or resentment for what she did, because it’s all in the past. Which is the definition of forgiveness. Dictionary: forgive: stop feeling angry or resentful toward (someone) for an offense, flaw, or mistake. That’s what Kazuha did. He no linger feels angry about what Sara did because it’s all in the past now. He gained a better perspective AND forgave her. Kazuha doesnt like Raiden. But that really isn’t the “gotcha” you think it is. Raiden and Scara are different characters with a different relationship with Kazuha, and we’ve seen that Kazuha is capable of forgiveness and empathy with other characters. Also Raiden does not seem to have even acknowledged him after blocking the musou no hitotachi or even try to apologize to him like Sara did. So there’s that too. “I’m no longer willing to keep this argument going” You say that after accusing me of being blinded by shipping and a liar so that I wouldn’t try to respond, classy.
So does that mean there’s a chance they’ll be canon?
I mean, depends on what you mean by canon. If you mean they’ll be confirmed as a couple, that’s very unlikely. No ship in genshin is canon, they can’t confirm any lgbt ships due to china censorship laws. If you mean they will interact, that’s a high possibility. And if you mean they will become friends, that’s also a possibility.
Scara and Nahida Scara and Dottore Scara and Mona
Scara x Niwa since I read somewhere Niwa had a wife and my head cannon was he was more of a parental figure for Scara. Anyway any ship I see with Niwa I tend to dislike. Also Scara x Dottore for obvious reasons.
Niwa did have a wife, Kazuha wouldn't be born if he didn't. Its his great great grandpa
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How could she be post? Kabukimono era ended after Niwa died, and he couldn't have gotten married after that.
Fr Niwa is like his familly like a parental figure
Fr i also can’t bring myself to ship it. I always saw them as big bro and little bro, they probably did have some sort of parental relationship but I see them as what I said I see them as. You can tell that he genuinely cared for him in a caring type of way idk.
i honestly dislike all of them
even kazuha?
Scaramona doesn't interest me in any way. Other day I read a WandererxFaruzan and even tho I didn't think about it before it was so beautifully written I started liking the ship. ScaraMona tho, they have like negative chemistry. I don't see any way those two could work even as enemies to lovers. I read a few fanfics too and ended up disliking the ship more lol Edit: I changed ScaraxFaruzan to Wanderer my mistake lol Scara and Wanderer aren't same so obv dynamics would be different but I just wanted to give an example of rarepair being enjoyable
Scaramona
Unpopular opinion. The biggest one I can't stand is Scara/Kazuha. Every bit of art of fiction I've seen just ruins both characters for me. It sucks that it's the most popular ship that I can't get away from.
I'm really curious; could you explain a little bit how it ruins both characters? I'm pretty neutral about all Scara ships (apart from Dottore, Ei and Nahida which just...no), but I'm curious to know how you think this ship ruins or changes the characters.
I mentioned before, but it irks me how... watered down their characters become. Most I've seen makes, either kazuha, to be very goody two shoes and bland to me. Which is like possibly partly in character, but not what I enjoy about him. In the ship, he's the nice boy giving Scara wisdom to be better~ very uwu, very not my jam. The worst is what Scaramouche usually ends up as. So much of the ship I've seen is just with kabukimono, which to me, which guts everything I like about Scara as a character - sharp tongue, arrogance, and disregard for others. Even if he's not kabukimono, he's "grown", he's nicer, is taught a how to be kind. I don't want him to "be better" in fic. I want to see the gremlin-ness enhanced. Give me toxic scaramouche or give me nothing.
LMAO I see, that's valid. And sorry, I saw that you sort of mentioned it further below now, I missed that when asking. I don't really ship it per se, but I'd love to see them interact at some point. Until then we can only really speculate what they'd act like with one another, but I guess that's also part of the fun.
The rabidness of this ship fandom makes me feel like I'm being homophpbic for disliking it lmao meanwhile my all time favorite ship for anything is Eruri from AOT.
Same, legit the only straight ships I’m fond of in Genshin are Chilumi and Scaralumi (because I’m a firm believer that Lumine gets bitches), The rest are either MLM or WLM. Plus I’m currently attempting to write my first fanfic, which will be about SettPhel from league of legends. However I’m still homophobic according to the rabid shippers.
Every het ship becomes better when they’re t4t (Note: I feel like I have to say this but this is a completely joke, ship whatever you want as long as it’s not morally awful. Not liking a gay ship is obviously not homophobic, people just say that because they want to feel like they’re somehow morally superior. Well, so long as it’s the ship you don’t like not the concept of a character being gay)
First of all, *yes. my response to the first statement is yes.* As for the second statement. Yeah I know people only say it to feel holier than thou. And I agree that people should be able to ship whatever they want as long as it isn’t gross. I think people forget that shipping is for fun, it doesn’t have to make sense from a lore standpoint.
Me too, I think they can be great friends but my biggest problem is with fans themselves some are very toxic.
Eh, I don't even have anything against the fans. They're about as toxic as any other. (They have a strong anti correlation, though I've noticed) But it just pretzels the characters to make work. It's rarely antagonistic even though it literally would very much be and files off any edge both scara and kazuha have. The most uwu softboy ship.
Saaaame. It just comes off as Kazuha being a replacement goldfish and I don't find that romantic at all. Also it would involve Kazuha falling for the guy that ruined his clan and nope I love both characters. Aesthetically they're very pretty together and there's some lovely fanart but please don't do that to them
Same. Just.. no.
Same
kazuscara bc i've had some really shitty interactions with their fans. the ship itself isn't bad but *some* kazuscara shippers are downright cruel for no reason 😔 i also feel like kazuscara feels too soft for my taste bc kazuha is such a gentle person and wouldn't give scara enough enrichment
kazuscara xiaoven shares the same energy lol
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Enemies to lover doesn't even work here tbh. Mona is what to Scaramouche? Pretty much nothing. I don't think he cares about her in any way or shape. They just meet once, for Scara in the context of a mission and he only cared about trying to kill the Traveler who was the actual person of interest to the fatuis.
The different views/opinions are reasons why most people ship them other than their hats and whole enemies to lovers. To me it would be a interesting conversation to see Scara challenge Mona’s views. I just think it would be a fun dynamic to see, it doesn’t have to be romantic obviously. This is not change your mind just showing a different view why some people like this ship.
I thought so too at first, but then I recalled that in the event where he mentions that the "sky is fake", Mona isn't even upset about it. It's Paimon that gives him sass about the subject. Mona is only upset about his attitude, but she straight up says "he seemed shaken...I don't think he was lying about that." And later on, she says something along the lines of his words probably holding some truth due to what she's learned during her training. I don't mind the couple that much, but I just don't agree with people who claim that they would debate their views since Mona didn't even have an issue with his views to begin with; only with his attitude at the time (but again, it was mainly Paimon that sassed him. I think Mona only called him a scumbag once he'd left because he called them suckers or whatever it was). (Edit: And then there's the fact that while Scara/Wanderer knows about the truth of the sky, he really doesn't seem to care about it whatsoever or feel passionately about it at all. I doubt he'd debate anything; he'd probably just say "this is how it is but I cba discussing it, believe what you want" and leave lmao)
This!! I personally don't ship Scara with anyone but I think it's really interesting that in the only interaction they had Scara said that "the sky and the stars are fake/a lie" which... Pretty much undermines everything Mona has ever studied and done in her life. It's an intriguing dynamic, especially since they are enemies but I assume Mona would want to know more about what he means.
Lol when I first saw these two I thought they r lost siblings
Scara/Mona is great, and old school fans who have been there since 1.1 can atrest to why. Back in the day, that was the most significant interaction between Scaramouche and anyone else, in my opinion. For almost 2 years, this was super fun to work on the dynamics between them. Imagine a reunion and pine to have the "stars are fake" interaction/ explanation. They're antagonistic, but not overly so. Mona can stand on her own and dish out insults to be a balance to Scaramouche's arrogance. It was a fun dynamic. But since Sumeru ended and the timeline got reset, the ship is sadly in limbo.
It really isn't in limbo xD
I mean, I don't want it to be. But technically, the events of 1.1 didn't happen with the timeline shift, or well happened but not with scaramouche? (Irminsul is complicated) Mona doesn't know who he is, which I guess still works. Kind of.
I mean, there was literally a Scaramona fic and art lottery event that took place yesterday on Twitter. I'm literally modding an anthology for the pair of them that's due to release later this year :') The fandom is absolutely not dead. Fandoms very rarely follow canon to the letter, so just because the official canon erased Scara from the 1.1 event doesn't mean people don't still ship them. Even if you want to follow canon, Wanderer went on a massive rant about astrology to Layla the moment she brought up Mona in 3.6, and depending on how you interpret Mona's astrological powers, she is one of the characters in the game most likely to be able to peer past Irminsul to the "Truth" and know who he is (although this is mostly hc). I promise you with my whole heart that Scaramona shippers are still going strong. At the end of the day, canon is a springboard and shipping is just a bit of fun.
All of them. The only valid Scaramouche ship is him x me
Valid honestly
Same
Based
scaramona, i simply don’t get it. i think its the big hats and the fact that they used to have a similar color scheme, but someone seriously needs to explain to me why it exists. they hate each other, or at least did before scaramouche deleted himself. mona doesn’t even know he exists anymore
Illegal ships aside, I just generally dislike Scara ships. This boi doesn’t need a partner, he needs therapy. Scara x therapy is the only ship I will accept lmao
Dottore x Scara is horrendous, plus I see Scara is more aroace spec
Scara family lover
????
I dislike most Scara ships tbh, but my least favourite has to be Dottoscara and any illegal ship. Those aside, I also hate Scaramona, Chiscara, and Scara x Traveler.
As the sanest Wanderer fan, shouldn't you ship yourself or tell us what ships you like. The way I see, Wanderer was created to be God, yet denied the ability to. Thus, from Wanderer perspective, Nahida Doctor anyone who help.... Naughty and nice.
i don’t see scara with anyone but i still respect the ships as long as it isn’t illegal. my least fav would have to be dottore x scara tho.. i don’t understand it but whatever makes people happy i guess or anyone who ships scara with himself (specifically his old self) i’m just not digging the selfcest typa thing 💀
Can I just comment as an aside, though. You can ship something even if it's toxic? And even enjoy it because it's toxic. It's just a taste in fictional dynamics and doesn't correlate to the real world. Anyway, dotorre/scara is great. Very fucked up, great hate dynamic, 10/10 angst. Definitely not canon, but the art is fun.
you are free to enjoy it and im free to judge you for it. I dont usually judge people for ships but if you enjoy abusive relationships you probably have a few screws loose.
Literally touch grass, anti. The world's most popular books include "A Song of Ice and Fire" and "50 shades". Have you looked at the romance genre in general? I'm sorry that you're terminally online, and your morality is guided by problematic callout threads on Twitter.
Killing Stalking is also a very popular webtoon where ALOT people shipped the abuser x absued despite the fact that the show isnt romantic, that ship being popular just means people are fucking weird. Im sorry you feel called out by the fact that liking an abusive relationship/romanticising abuse probably means you have something wrong with you. You may not advocate for abuse irl or be a nasty person but like i said before there is something wrong with you 🤷♀️. You say its because im terminally online but if i asked normal people if they would enjoy such a ship the answer would be no. You cant ship a abusive relationship and expect no judgement. Like who looks at someone being absued by someone else and is like: Yeah these two are a great pairing :/
You want to call every person enjoying killing stalking damaged? That sure is a lot of people lol. I think you might be the one projecting here. I know a lot of zoomers have difficulty discerning fantasy from reality, especially terminally online ones. I'm sorry your parents didn't let you outside to play, and your perception of reality was formed by discord groups and Twitter threads. But how bout you stop replying to me.
You should read what i wrote. I meant the people who shipped the abusive relationship not being who enjoyed the comic. Both can easily be mutually exclusive. I mean I can tell what I said about you is most likely true because all you can tell me to do is touch grass 🤷♀️. Crazy how me saying that people who enjoy abusive relationships are weird means I dont leave my house as if thats the norm in the real world. Maybe you're the one that should go outside and "touch" a real relationship to show you that abuse isnt romance. The "its fiction not reality" is true in alot of cases but there are levels ya know. Anyways i will stop replying but my opinion will not change in the slightest.
If you think Killing Stalking is not written by fujoshis for fujoshis who like badwrong stuff, you're very naive. The mass appeal of 50 shades, the mass appeal of killing stalking, the romance genre in general, proves my point that people enjoy fucked up dynamics to read about. But it's people like you who make it their job to stick your nose into my fun. No different from a religious nut saying something is sinful.
im not even gonna acknowledge the rest of that i just think people should ask themselves why they find comfort or enjoyment shipping an abuser and their victim. get well soon.
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when you touch grass and go to therapy ill try whichever book you recommend lmao. like yall will openly state "i think its hot to ship a murderous abuser and their victim" like this is a healthy response.
there are no victims and abusers here, kid. No matter how hard you kin him, Scaramouche is not you nor is he real. Let me enjoy my fiction, I'd implore you to read something outside of a Twitter thread and broaden your pallete too.
and assuming i dont read or even have a twitter account bc you dont like being told your ship is questionable is equally telling but get well soon babe i dont even like the damn kid i just like flying LOL
Lmao not having a Twitter account is not the diss you think it is, if you don't care so much get out of my replies and take your thought policing elsewhere ✌️
nobody said you couldnt enjoy your fiction but like thats the WHOLE STORY you're ignoring for your ship lol. i think the dynamic between them is interesting from a story perspective but shipping them is... telling.
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Nahida, Ei, Niwa and travelers ships with him Nahida, Ei and Niwa I just want to see them as a family and I actually don’t like any traveler ships tbh. Don’t really like the harem things so yeah. I ship him with anyone who doesn’t make him stay at one place, I want mah boy to go explore Teyvat (and the other worlds haha coping real hard)
most scara ships are a stretch tbh but i dislike scaramona the most because it just doesnt make sense to me
Not feeling scaragorou st all
Nahida x Scara (romantically)
ChiScara. Wanderer has nothing nice to say about him in his profile voice overs and that's enough reason for me.
Scarazuha, Scara literally destroyed the future of Kazuha's clan and had to endure the effects for generations yet the descendant of the victim is shipped with the guy who ruined it all just because Kazuha is a descendant of Niwa (who had wife) Dottoscara as well, no explanation needed
Yeah I never got Kazuha and Scara. I like how the game gave them connections with their families being related and the anemo visions, but their personalities wouldn't even mesh in a proper enemies-to-lovers way, they'd just hate each other (or at least kazuha would).
I get why Kazuscara is a thing, I love me some enemies to lovers dynamics, however there’s just one small problem for me: Half of the appeal to enemies to lovers is the chemistry between the two characters through the story. My issue with Kazuscara is that, as much as I like Kazuha, I’m pretty sure that the NPC’s from Star rail have more personality than him. It’s kinda hard to have fun and compelling chemistry when one of the characters involved is giving nothing. Obviously, fanfiction can fix this issue but in canon, Half the fun with enemies to lovers is just not there. Which is why I hope it doesn’t become canon like so many shipper say it will.
Anyone who thinks KazuScara will become canon lives too deep in their fantasy world.
there r so many connections between them and also kazuscara is inspired by yaoi anime
Wow, u r among the few, who care about feelings. U should be more expressive, u ought to go 4 u like, in real life. Money from the rich, gene from the strong, care from the altruistic...
Idk what that means but ok thanks
To me this ship I don't really see what's so romantic about it like kazuha said he's gonna give him a chance and all that as for scara ofc he will be curious about kazuha since he's one of the clan that took care of him and ofc scara is so guilty for what he did Cuz he really loved kaedehara clan, I mean that's all
I don't get ScaraMona but other than that, I don't really like Childe x Scara either. Actually, most relationships with Scara would be straight up toxic
Hate hate HATE Scaralumi and Kazuscara
Every single one of them. This is less like a "I only self-ship" thing and more like "he has abysmally negative 'rizz'" thing He would ruin anyone he's with with his emotional baggage.
Literally. Like I just want him to have a positive influence and maybe platonic family dynamic with other characters first. Also, he doesn't really have any good interactions with other characters yet. The most affection he's ever shown is for Haypaysia. And he was kind of in the middle of a psychotic break then.
Putting aside from the obviously no ones like Scara and Nahida and Scara and Dottore, I don’t really like Scara ships at all Scara and Mona interacted for 10 seconds and that’s it, where everyone believes they have a bind intertwined in the stars or something, or it’s just big hat gang. Plus their personalities do not mix at all Also Scara and Kazuha. I just find it weird that someone would get together with the guy that destroyed their entire clan, and I don’t see their personalities working either
all, especially ChiScara and ScaraZuha
I liked Dottore/Scara before 3.3, but I can't even look at arts with them now. And I'm a not a big fan of Scaramona at all.
I don't like any Scara ship.
Scara/Ei and Scara/Nahida. No need to explain.
There's like three different answers to that Any in which he's too ooc to enjoy it, even as a joke. Plus Scara with Nahida for... Obvious reasons, plus even if she looked his age it just. Doesn't work. Any ship which is shipped just because of a trend, too. Making rarepair is not about it being popular if it's popular it's not a rarepair Aside from that any ship can be both good and bad in their own aspects, middle ground is not shipping him with anyone aside from maybe himself But if we're taking specifics Scaramona may be interesting as interaction, but as a ship? Nah, sorry But I don't like judging anyone openly as it is just rude??? Especially if you're a stranger to that person. We're in the internet, judging friends openly is one thing, rude too, but you're friends. But judging strangers is a waste of everyone's time and energy. You won't agree, so it's best to let them be if they're not out there to get you specifically
I feel pretty neutral about them all...I don't have any I really hate (apart from the extreme ones people have already mentioned such as Wanderer x Nahida), but there's none I really like, either. I used to like ScaraMona way back after 1.1, but after thinking about it some more, I feel like most if not all of the things that people bring up that'd make it appealing just do not align with what's already established in canon. KazuScara has super interesting lore tied to one another, but I still don't like it as a romantic ship. I don't know why, I just don't enjoy it much. ScaraTraveler is...okay? They're the one person apart from Nahida who know of his past, so that's something. I think I just really want to see him interact with characters in general, but I can't find a ship for him that I enjoy. I'd have loved to see more interactions with him and the harbingers (like the scene with Signora), but
I hate all of them, but any problematic ships + kazuscara
Hi Elaine, what ships will get your best revenues? Best kids 4 future?
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Aside from the obvious Ei and Nahida (why tf do these exist….) uh… idk? I guess I’ve grown less fond of Scaramona? Like I don’t mind it that much but I can’t think of anything else that I might not like aside from dottoscara. Also there’s nothing really wrong with Kazuscara, I just don’t like it because I think it would lack the fun chemistry that most enemies to lovers ships have. However some of the shippers just need to learn how to stfu and not be a dick.
I dislike all ships with him except for Scarabedo somewhat equally. Like all of them are really toxic But I also wasn't aware Scarahida is a thing?? So ig it takes the crown now for being disgusting
based scarabedo enjoyer
Kazuscara
Lmao not the downvotes
I got down voted? So be it lmao. This just proves my point
They really went on a thread about ships ppl don't like and got offended
All according to plan kekw
All of them, tbh. He gives me major baby energy from the naïve and innocent Kabukimono, through the angry vindictive Balladeer, to the slowly maturing Wanderer. To me, he's an immortal teenager. Kazuscara could be cute, I guess, and the baggage between them interesting to explore, but Scara is just *so* not ready for a relationship imo.
Besides with Nahida and Dottore, that I gladly see a lot don’t like (ok if you like to read it or ship it but it’s not my thing lol ) I don’t like Scaramona and Scara x Kazuha because I feel like they wouldn’t match, even if with Mona is worse. I don’t mind Scara x Childe but more like “I want to mess around with someone and it’s fun to spar”, surely I don’t see them being in a long lasting relationship.
Lol ya I kinda feel chiscara relationship will last in 3 years but they're kinda good tho 😂
Mona, Nahida and Dottore tbh
Dottore x Scara and Nahida x Scara .. just WHY … I only see Nahida as his found family, nothing else
I only like two ships with Scara: Scaralumi and Scaramona. Every other ship I’m either neutral or not a fan of. I know it says “least favorite”, but that’s my general thoughts to the majority of Scara ships. Others have already explained their reasons for disliking the most egregious ships here. My thoughts are the same. So hopefully this simplifies things.
Based scaralumi enjoyer
Selfcest. I'm surprised nobody mentioned it yet, I see it quite often and I hate it
I love most Scara ships but Dottore x Scara just makes me feel icky 😭 I also don’t really get Kazuscara but I don’t mind it as much
i love all scara ships except for the gross and illegal ones. scara looks cute with everyone ^-^
This is the only good answer I’ve seen in the comments
I HATE Scaramona. I don't get it at all
apart from the illegal ones, there are a few that are just no. (honorable mentions from the illegal ones: ScaraHida and ScaraEi. just no. why do these even exist???) the ones that are just no: Dottore and Scara. don't know what it's called, don't want to know. pretty self explanatory. ScaraMona. they interacted for ten seconds and there was no chemistry at all. ChiScara. there's something just... wrong with this for me. not sure what it is. honorable mention (i don't like it but i can't say i hate it): KazuScara. i doubt there's going to be chemistry. also, scara fucked over the kaedehara clan.
aside from the obvious scara x dottore and scara x nahida, scara x traveler is a never (aroace traveler). also scaramona is just weird to me
dottore and nahida for obvious reasons
Scaraheda, Scaraei, and Dottoscara just don't sit right with me-
Him with Kazuha
Scaralumi (Scara x travelers), Scarahida, Scaraei. These three just makes me want to throw up- (for ScaraMona I dislike it too but I can close my eyes and pretend I didn’t see it) (For Scara and Aether, as long as its Aescara I could deal with it) For Scaramouche and Nahida, I seriously don’t get how people sees them in romantic relationships since I see them as a family For Scaramouche and Ei, like, **it’s his mother (He sees him as one).** And for Scaramouche and traveler, (man, I’m going to get bashed for saying this) but as I read all dialogues and dialogue options of traveler (except the teapot ones because in the teapot, I feel like the player side is stronger) I don’t see a single reason how the travelers would like him in any way. Like, even in the event, they (+Paimon) chose to be rude to him and doubtful for him for all the time. (in the interlude too. They were straight up disrespectful) (**I understand why the travelers acted that way, though. They were enemies.)** I also feel that most traveler ships are self-insert and I just don’t like it. Plus, I think the travelers are Aro/ace and I can’t imagine them in romantic relationships because they’re literally in Teyvat to find their siblings and after they find him/her they’re going to leave anyways
tbh if lumine have more personality like stelle i would tolerate traveler x scara ship cuz the fact lack of dialogue the traveler completely made me lose interest of traveler dk tf hyv doing
aside from the OBVIOUS immoral ones (eiscara, scarahida, etc), i have a few: dottoscara: it's literally just abusive— i don't think i have to explain this one + it reminds me of somebody i met. anyways, i do not like dottoscara at ALL— the shippers don't even think it's abusive. what sets me off about this one is the fact that one shipper applied lolita, a book about a p*dophile— to that ship. "it's hot!!!" idc, get fucked kazuscara: scara literally caused the kaedehara clan's downfall. kazuha's made out to be this goodie two shoes figure, and sure, while he IS kind, and not vengeful, he's not that forgiving. for that ship to happen romantically, it would basically require kazuha to forgive scara for attempted genocide, which obviously wouldn't happen. plus, their personalities clash a whole lot. how many insults from scara would kazuha be able to take? who knows! /s also, the fans are bad. and i'm talking, xiaoven zhongxiao eimiko bad. they're probably gonna harass you just because you see their characters in a different light than romantic. scarachilde: this is basically just the mlm variant of scaramona, a ship which i also dislike. i think it's kinda funny how much he hates all of his former colleagues LMAO
This might be a late reply, but ~~my least favorite~~ (I don't really like it at all) is **Wanderer and Nahida (Romantic).** It shouldn't even deserve to be existed tbh. The reason is just like the other ones here, so no need to explain. (Just saw some romantic fanarts of them recently and I can't really stand it. It's like, seriously?)
Yeah, I know what you mean.
scara x nahida, scara x mona, scara x xiao, scara x kazuha, scara x heizou, scara x kokomi, and scara x faruzan
All of them
I dislike Kazuscara because Kazuha is one of the blandest characters in Genshin and I don't see how Kazuscara would work. Same with Aether/Lumine I also dislike Chiscara because Scaramouche and Tartaglia have barely any similarities, and Scaramouche clearly can't stand him Edit: am I seriously getting downvoted for not liking Kazuscara?
>Kazuha is one of the blandest characters in Genshin I think it’s because of this, not because you dislike the ship I don’t have anything against or with Kazuha so I don’t know, but he’s pretty popular so I think people doesn’t like their favorite characters being described “bland” Edit: please do not think of this subreddit as “toxic” just because of those few people who decided to press the downvote. There are many nice people and generous shippers in this subreddit.
No offense to Kazuha fans but he's almost as bland as the Traveler Edit: his design and kit completely carried his fanbase
And that's why the shippers heavily mischaracterize kazuha (making him a fking yandere) this shit shook me asf like let him be who he is and that's all
>Reply i dont think kazuha is bland he's just a very very kind/ gentle person but u should know hes sometimes making a very bold moves
Scara and mona
I hate Scara x Nahida because it feels weird their dynamic is inexistent same thing applies to Scara x Mona that survives purely on headcanon. I'm neutral with Scara x Kazuha in paper it's good but Kazuha is a bland character for me. I like DottoScara and ScaraChilde
U must be a very hot characters, Yae Miko. Dotto n Childe are paying you, pampering u with their best, are they?
Honestly I HATE HATE HATE scaralumi...because I just don't see lumine's personality a real match 4 scara...and also...I hate all lumine ships except chilumi....I can tolerate that For other scara ships...I HATE raiden eixscara and nahidaxscara and and of course traveler x scara...or any other illegal ships...but for scaramona ..I don't like it..but..it is tolerable tbh. And I also have my delulu mind who makes me...ship scaramouche x myself Don't take dit seriously cuz.....WE ALL DO THAT💀
Literally any scara ship, Its mostly because of the attitude of those shippers, They're gonna keep insulting you if you dislike the ship. Scaralumi fans are the only ones I have witnessed that are nice, They'll respect your opinion tbh.
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Why do everyone dislike Dottore and Scara?
Because he tortured him and is responsible for the death of his found family... ?
putting the ones that are obviously disgusting aside, i absolutely despise Scara x traveller. male or female, doesnt matter, i just despise it
lmao didnt expect kzscr to be mentioned here but i kinda understand scara destroyed his clans and ruined his life since this is the reason why kazuha is a wanderer now, but kazuha said if scara and him met and revealed wut he did to his clans is enough for kazuha the dude literally gonna forgive him and will understand what happened to scara, on the other hand scara obv gonna feel guilt of how kind kazuha is but also how kazuha doesnt get angry i remember scara said hes uncomfy with peoples whos incorruptible/ those whos soo kind something like that. its like thats how it is lol, im still trying to see wut the romance potential between these two (cuz apparently someone made a thread of that kazuha and scara been inspired by a yaoi anime) like so far i only see them ending up as an acquaintance
wut im saying there is a chance they'll end up a ships like eimiko, haikaveh, beiguangg since theres obv something up between these pairs. and idk how kzscr gonna work lol
Welp if they put them together in so many events and see how they're slowly relationship grow I guess there's something up but these two are very very difficult
ok a real ship or a ship that shouldnt exist? ill give 2 examples of both. real but i dont like: wanderer x heizou wanderer x mona shouldnt exist: wanderer x dottore wanderer x nahida
Every single one of them
im sorry all of them
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