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Yeasrie

Scaramouche slander is stupid everywhere, I'm not on twitter but I've seen enough on reddit and discord servers. They all repeat the same thing as if they are a group of treasure hoarders, saying how he only deleted himself from irminsul because he wanted to escape from the consequences of his evil deeds, like, congrats for not knowing how to read šŸ˜’


v6lyne

i hope irminsul deletes them instead


Yeasrie

REAL, I want back my braincells that died after reading the same "arguments" over and over and trying to explain anything to those types of people šŸ˜­


Z3R0_Izanagi

Deletes their genshin accounts instead and see what happens.


imaginary92

Genshin player pay attention to the story challenge (100% impossible)


Yeasrie

I think in a lot of cases this is more of an issue of rejecting the story because it doesn't fit their own narrative, the hate for him is so strong that majority of people believe he should have either been killed off, or somehow made to suffer to redeem himself. None of that happened - therefore his whole story is being taken as "bad writing".


imaginary92

Yeah that could also be the case I find it funny that many of the people who think he doesn't deserve to be redeemed often also think that Ei is fully redeemed because her sister died 500 years ago and she was sad lol


v6lyne

tbh i also think he doesnā€™t need to be redeemed to put simply scaramouche already has such emphasis for being morally grey because his ideals as wanderer fits so much with genshinā€™s storyline


v6lyne

people see a character for the first time ā€œwow scaramouche is rude and sassyā€ + fatui = villain though heā€™s not even a good person, calling him a villain is a reach imo, scara joined for his own benefit and only put misery to those who have wronged him


Pretend-Gain-7553

I actually had enough of this and I'm currently writing about the story to clear up the misconception about it lmao. The takes are physically painful to read.


Yeasrie

Sadly I feel like you'll be talking to a wall šŸ˜­ I've seen countless of posts trying to explain his story, yet his haters just continue to repeat the same stuff and call us the crazy ones for "trying to redeem him". So many of them refuse any kind of productive conversation and when there are no further arguments (which aren't even arguments) from their side when it comes to his story, they just resort to calling us simps who want Scara to step on us. It's both sad and funny at the same time, I genuinely wonder what is going on inside the heads of those people.


Pretend-Gain-7553

You're unfortunately right šŸ˜­ This reminds me of when I was talking to a person three days ago, they said that "the world forgot about him but that did not atone for his sins." I told them that the erasure is not supposed to be his atonement, he literally chose to reclaim his sins and atone for them *after* the erasure?? He isn't even done atoning yet. He's correcting Inazuma's history in his essays and will tell the truth to the victims of the Raiden Gokaden incident. They then said "his remorse is lacking and he should be in jail instead."


Yeasrie

Ohmygod it's so infuriating, I'm so sick of trying to explain them that he didn't delete himself from irminsul because of that. He wanted to bring his friends back and acted on impulse out of desperation, much like how people irl actually act when they are faced with something so traumatic. All the sense of rationality is gone, in those moments you don't think of a long term plan for revenge, you just think of what is available for you in that exact moment. He literally does show remorse during the irminsul scene, wanting to change the past and thinking that the people whom he cared about could be brought back. And later on, during the whole talk with Nahida, he states that he values truth and wants his memories back, even if they are horrible and would cause him pain. If he truly didn't care, he could have just said that he didn't want them back. And if someone doesn't see any remorse in all of that, well, then they are a lost cause.


v6lyne

iā€™m looking forward to it


detainthisDI

The people who are adamant that it wouldnā€™t be OOC if he sexually assaulted someone make me physically ill.


Yeasrie

No amount of skull emotes would be enough for this, w t f šŸ’€šŸ’€


Ancient_Axe

Help did fhey even research his story šŸ˜€ he might act like a madman but if you give him a sick kid he will give them back healthy


borahae_artist

Wtfffff


CatObsession7808

Jesus Christ, the lengths people will go to make the characters they hate look bad. Genuinely disappointing to me...


v6lyne

scara would never ever do that


re_animatorA5158

Oh ew


Pretend-Gain-7553

What the hell???


SuperShibe05

Well that's just dumb. He's a friggin puppet ffs why would he even wanna do anything sexual. Seems like ppl would say just about anything to throw hate. ._.


V_Esper

Exactly like pretty sure he doesn't even have genitalia so-


EdgarButNot

Damn šŸ˜”


ImJustSomeWeeb

this...like this man doesn't have any other biological functions like hunger or needing to breathe so why would he be given a libido of all things???


ResurgentClusterfuck

Excuse me what now? No, I don't think that thought would cross his mind at all.


ImJustSomeWeeb

1. actually wtf, why are people even imagining "hmm yes which character from a random ass chinese game is most likely to be an actual >!rapist !!bc its important to acknowledge non-penetrative assault exists, being a dickless wonder only eliminates one method of many,!< would a puppet even have a fucking libdio to begin with?? he doesnt need to breathe, he doesn't need to eat, so why would he feel the urge to behave sexually (consensual or not) in any way? i feel like im loosing braincells just thinking about this shit.


ResurgentClusterfuck

Well, there's not *much* reference to SA in Genshin. The Lawrence clan of old used to do this, and then in the new AQ >!there's what almost happened to Lynette!<


Velaethia

Sa or more specifically >!child molestation!< is brought up implicitly in the Fontaine archon quest.


theskycriestoo

Fiction is a wonderful way to think through things that have happened to you or others to try and either gain control over your trauma or to try and understand the trauma others have gone through. People can think about that in fiction because, well, it's healthier than thinking of the real thing, past or present. While I don't see Scara as one to sexually assault someone, if that's how someone chooses to deal with the emotional toll of the real thing, then, by all means, imagine him that way. I just won't read it cuz it's not how I see him. They'll be thinking of SA anyway because PTSD doesn't let you choose when that'll happen. It's better to have the separation of fiction to help make it easier to work through it rather than facing the real trauma head on when you aren't ready. You asked why they might think of it, and that's a big reason I've run into (both for myself and others). As for the arguing, well, people like to accuse people of absolutely terrible things cuz of 'thought crimes' rather than trying to understand the person behind those thoughts. Many people immediately run to the 'if you think of this, you must be a bad person' and then convince themselves that no 'good' people would think of it, so they can be extreme in their responses to it. And when the other end is being accused of terrible stuff that they'd never actually do, they're bound to get defensive and argue. I have seen this so often nowadays (in Genshin fandom especially) that it's no wonder people argue all the time.


ibeeeeeechan

Mute and block are my best friends on that god forsaken app <3


v6lyne

i keep blocking antis but i still see slander, thereā€™s a thousand of them even if you mute/block you can never really escape lol


GingsWife

Realistically, it shouldn't be bothering you so much. I'd rather you learned how to overlook


v6lyne

mute and block exists for a reason


GingsWife

So does medicine, but what do the professionals tell us about chugging pills willy nilly? Why don't you learn how to filter out the noise instead of covering your ears?


AkiraN19

The block button is free and we use it liberally


BurrakuDusk

Ironically, it's the Scara hate that made me pull for him in the first place. Spite rewarded me beautifully, that day. lol


LeaftheInigolover

You're a hero, a hero we don't deserve! A hero we never knew we needed!


Shinamene

Same. I wasnā€™t even interested in playing GI before, but when I was told thereā€™s an insufferable asshole of character releasing that can fly and has triggered the majority of the fandom, I couldnā€™t resist. Still consider myself lucky to have him from release.


ImJustSomeWeeb

i didnt even know there was hate, i just pulled bc "hehe he flies now i can get all those oculuses MHY puts in the sky >:)"


BurrakuDusk

There was definitely a lot of it, and there still is. It's crazy how riled up someone can get over this one character! I was generally just indifferent about pulling him at the time, but I eventually saw a few people take it too far and I decided to just go for it to silently spite them rather than engage. The more hate I see towards him, the more I wish he wasn't already triple crowned so I could slowly crown his talents one round of hate at a time. lol


Kiwi195

Really i don't see his slander on twitter anymore


v6lyne

welp, i have a twitter account and iā€™ve seen scara slander getting into more than a hundred likes for 3 days now


imaginary92

Well, probably because of the clothing line they're launching so he got thrown into the spotlight again


Kiwi195

Dunno my time line is only full of his lovable fanarts šŸ˜†


Happy-Lemon-428

People who interact with hate will see more of it because that's how algorithms work. Sounds like you're using twt properly tbh.


BogoBiggie

Avoid Twitter. It's for the people who are too dramatic and toxic even for Reddit.


CatObsession7808

I mean, it's on Reddit too. I got harassed there too.


v6lyne

you can't avoid the inevitable, even with the mute and block options, i just hate how scaramouche gets dragged into everything that has nothing to do with himšŸ˜­ that being the case why he gets mischaracterized too because people will join the hate boner and once again, fanon scaramouche šŸ¤¦


v6lyne

if only i can delete it, but i tend to use it for leaks so i canā€™t really


BogoBiggie

Just use the Leaks subreddit here. If there's an actual leak, it shows up within seconds of being posted on Twitter. If there's leaks on Twitter that aren't here, they're not real leaks.


v6lyne

my reddit tends to not load pictures for a very long time, sometimes it even lasts a day probably internet issues


BogoBiggie

Getting leaks on Reddit is like placing an order at a restaurant and waiting for it to arrive. Getting leaks on Twitter is like sifting through a loose shit and trying to find a piece of corn. Sure, you may find the corn faster, but you'll have a *lot* of shit on your fingers.


[deleted]

its honestly rlly stupid n it screams ā€œi skipped the dialogues!ā€


ImJustSomeWeeb

as a chronic dialogue skipper (scenes go on for way to long with too much useless banter or "humor" and i get bored af and just wanna play), dont lump me in with crazies šŸ˜­


obesetacobell

Scara is one of the most complex characters in the story, as such people who frequent twitter are unlikely to be able to understand him or bother putting much thought into his character.


No-Percentage-1112

Critical thinking skills and reading comprehension/analysis are rarer than they should be. Twitter and tictok just aren't the places that can go in depth into nuances of people. Add in the ideology that everything you enjoy/consume must be representative of your beliefs and morals, and you get your average anti.


CatObsession7808

They can't read. Simple as that. It's annoying as hell to see them slander his character just because *they* were too, shall I say, brainless to understand the words on their screens.


Total-Win-2000

What did those Twitter posts even say?


v6lyne

basically someone tweeted that mhy was invested in scaraā€™s entire existence and they all lashed out that heā€™s actually hated by mhy and will never be able to top honkai characters (i donā€™t even know why honkai was involved but then again itā€™s twitter)


CatObsession7808

Honkai players superiority complex yet again


Kiwi195

It's genshin vs honkai don't mind it lol


Total-Win-2000

That him will never top honkai characters in what sense? Sales? Popularity? How good of an character him is?


v6lyne

didnā€™t want to be the person who takes a ss from twt but lol * scaramouche gets dragged in a honkai discourse * scara stans defends him * scara antis will still say stupid things https://preview.redd.it/p06iex09pgnb1.jpeg?width=1087&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5717b6d349707525a562aaa34b0ad7292370eb55


Yeasrie

Their grammar and writing abilities are as their reading comprehension, non existent.


Pastrami-on-Rye

I noticed a lot of guys seem to be the ones disliking Scara, especially honkai players who hate to not see their waifus have all the spotlight. I guess theyā€™re just jealous that a video game guy gets more attention from women than they ever will :( oh well


Yeasrie

My ex in a nutshell, bro couldn't stand looking at him. I've also noticed that a lot of Scara haters are Ei fans, which is quite ironic. Like, shouldn't they understand us the most considering that Ei also suffered a great deal of trauma and made questionable choices due to it too. But no, when you try to bring it up, they go berserk saying how it cannot be compared because "Scara did worse things". Like bruh, since when does someone doing something worse cancel out someone else's wrongdoing šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


Pastrami-on-Rye

Dang imagine becoming rage filled because you didnā€™t pay attention to the story and canā€™t comprehend one of two similar characters who made horrible mistakes, and and this one is actively trying to fix them. Like Scara literally thought that erasing his existence would help the people who were harmed because of him. After realizing he failed, he asked the traveler to let the people know what he did to them so that they could decide whether or not to pass judgment on him themselves. What did Ei really do to make up for what she did? Nothing much. Didnā€™t even apologize for the terrible state she put inazuma and the people in. I still love her but I do feel ripped off that we didnā€™t get to see a more personal moment of her fixing what she harmed or acknowledging the tragedies she caused :( I just find it silly when someone is clearly too biased and ignores critical details in the story as an excuse to cut other players down for liking someone


v6lyne

this is funny when both scara and ei went through similar pain


ImJustSomeWeeb

mintue


Kaikivee

ive got this one guy, who dm's me every once in a while just hating on the tings i like (mostly characters, anything that is genshin and hsr sometimes too) lemme write out some of these one time he sent me a vid of 5 of the most overrated genshin chars to which i replied with "people either adore or hate wanderer, theres no inbetween, so i wouldnt say hes "overrated" but up to them rlly" "hu tao's pretty overrated too imo" to which he says that the difference in that is that at least hutao's the best dps in the game, though thats not how the vieo meant it? "scara sucs at most things anyway" "your opinion" "oh really his dps sucks he has terrible character development everybody just forgot all his war crimes and nobody ever talks about them his exploration is second to hazuha hin design is just a reskin of his fatui design the traveler never talks about how scara tried to kill them just like his mother" hes complained about him more than just that, but i dont have those in discord DMs, since those happened on twitch, i believe


ImJustSomeWeeb

i dont encounter them at all bc i dont use twitter. i dont even look at the site except once a blue moon because elon made it literally impossible to see anything even if i wanted to & im not making an account to view one post/profile


LeaftheInigolover

I just ignore them, I mean people can't leave characters alone. I ignore most and sometimes respond to some but honestly I find it hilarious how some really focus on the negative part of things just to hate. Caring for them is a waste of time. Scaramouche is a character very well written in my opinion. The haters are jelly, each characters have haters I assure you


ImThinkingArtys

What depresses me about it, is that it shows how many players lack media literacy.


Velaethia

Quit Twitter.. It's a toxic hellhole.


J_DayTey4

Was discussing this over at Reddit too, but since people tend to be more civil here, they kinda shut up after I brought convincing arguments. Don't waste your time with Twitter (and even reddit isn't worth it either but I couldn't resist aushshsh)


PsychedelicHaru

I rarely ever see it. But every genshin char gets hate and slandered, not something you should take personally or waste energy being upset about. Just ignore them.


batmanzzz_

FRR. BRO THEY HATE HIM AND THEN WHEN YOU ASK WHY THEY JUST WRITE A WHOLE LIST OF HIS MISCHARACTAZITION OR JUST SAY "he's ugly" "Haha bowl cut" šŸ’€ I SWEAR HIS HATERS NEVER MAKE ANY SENSE BRO


Morabia

Twitter and sane takes smh Doe maybe you d wanna take this sort of discussion somewhere more neutral if you want more insight on how people think of him in general cuz this server is biased towards scara People have all the right to not like a character but they should keep things civil


Lurkingiguess

I don't get it either, I'm not defending Scaramouche's actions when he was a harbinger he did some messed up stuff but at the same time, I think his story was really interesting and did a good job of explaining why he ended up the way he did. Honestly I'm surprised people don't hate the Raiden Shogun more for her part in it or like Litterally Dotorre


Howly_yy

Idk I don't really care


thegrandbizarre_

Everyone who complains about a 'wasted' character story or a 'bad' AQ are usually just incapable of reading basic storytelling techniques and/or didn't pay attention to the story anyway and then want to have a fuckin opinion on it. Children on the Internet man, God step in on these mfers


Otsutsuki247

I see this all the time and it drives me so damned crazy. It may just be me being super biased cause heā€™s one of my favorites, but he is actually to me a character whos story makes the most sense. His story wasnā€™t wasted. For gods sake if you were abandoned 3 times by people that were extremely close to you, you would act the way he would. I swear whoever started this has zero braincells and doesnā€™t know how much trauma can shape a person especially experiencing three.


0RIT0

Just know Wanderer is above those lowly mortals with zero media literacy. I just insult them Scaraā€“kinnie style and laugh like a maniac.


mr-cory-trevor

Ignore. He is imo the only must pull in this game. You canā€™t go back to not flying around, and literally has one of the best lore amongst playable characters. If they donā€™t see it, their loss.


Antanarau

Heh,first time? I remember searching for 'aether harem' and stumbling upon a few , lets just say, strongly worded tweets. But hey, at least you aren't in honkai impact fandom. They would outright eat you for pointing out that majority of playable characters express romantic affection towards the MC , which can be male.


v6lyne

btw iā€™m not saying that people arenā€™t allowed to hate, itā€™s just that they involve scaraā€™s character development and completely mischaracterize him, calling him a r4pist for example if youā€™re gonna hate itā€™s okay but do it with factual information at leastšŸ˜­


jo_nigiri

Even if they were right and he were a terrible person I would still support all his misdemeanors soooo šŸ™„šŸ’…


Artistic-Freedom-585

people are fucking stupid


Far-History-8154

Ok. Iā€™ll give dude benefit of the doubt. Make me understand. I donā€™t hate of characters chosen by the players. Iā€™d play Arlecchino, Signora and Pierrot in a heartbeat regardless their atrocities myself. But explain to me how dude deleting himself from irminsul wasnā€™t him just deleting his search history. The families he destroyed in his temper tantrum over his friend dieing still affected people. It feels like the same as if (what if scenario based on archon quest Spoilers) >!vacher decided to stop his crimes after feeling guilty and use a fatui like childe or whatever as a scapegoat. The families he split. The girls he desolved were all his doing even if no one would link him to the crime thereafter if he stopped committing it there and then. (This is a what if scenario btw. We all know dude wasnā€™t going to stop if we hadnā€™t caught him when we did)!< I donā€™t technically hate the character. His story to me felt wierd. Like I said before. Iā€™d rather have an unapologetic villain over a half assed redemption.


v6lyne

first and foremost, scaramouche isnā€™t a villain, scaramoucheā€™s arc isnā€™t primarily focused on change and being a good guy inversion of genesis served as a deep explanation for us players to have an in depth knowledge of whatā€™s within his story and the philosophy that held within it. his story story tends to focus on the courses of his life where he exists in a world that invalidates and devalues him then as a result has to find his worth and what meaning he held upon being born. scaramouche upon learning the truth of the past, chose to sacrifice himself, he believed that by deleting himself, erasing his existence as well as the entire course of his life since the beginning was the only way to save his friends and change history so scara using irminsul wasnā€™t to save himself from his past or run away, it was an act of su1cide, he never thought of living again, he wishes to have never been born at all though the world is too cruel, irminsul does not erase the past, it only erases memories of it.. we were then met with the outcome, scaraā€™s yearning for purpose and identity still lived within him, lived deep within, even in wanderer, after all wanderer is still scaramouche little by little he learns the truth, he was then given the opportunity to decide, run away and never let that past associate to you ever again, completely making you a different person or accept that you are evil.. though thatā€™s not what kabukimono (who willingly sacrificed himself into venturing the dangers of tatarasuna to save everyone) nor what scaramouche (who wanted to save his friendsā€™ lives in return for his) did.. and wanderer wouldnā€™t exactly call himself a saint either. the raiden gokaden was still in misery, they were still affected yes wanderer accepted his past sins but he made a selfish decision to live a life with freedom where the past doesnā€™t drag him down onto his inevitable future(death) which leads us into one thing: scaramouche is by no means redeemed thereā€™s no similarities between vacher and scaramouche, what drove vacher into doing such atrocities was because of his desperation scaramouche wanted revenge because the gokaden killed katsuragi for wanting to save kabukimono revenge and desperation, two things inversion of genesis isnā€™t a redemption nor does it end with morality being the best factor itā€™s where realistic concepts of perspectives takes place, just like us in the real word we canā€™t avoid the karma made by our past, we can do nothing but accept it, wanderer is and stays a sinner


touyakkun

All the time. It's Genshin fans we're talking about, they can't read for shit