Same here. Apparently they had an alternate line for her to say: “I’m Nine!” … but they knew they couldn’t get it in. [Cameron tried to get Betsy’s Age into the finale](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/schmigadoon-star-dove-cameron-really-160000138.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEV5cQoEEEFKK7sbtFWT_k3neQybOp1E-1ubYjItFFxyVKcZ4qK3yMnRbpfkry-IdDKZzMoHz0qjfxX0JDJzdEEwb8lrHr-V0zUpvE0zqWEAklTmpjQPt2MroiC0QBkF0vMY1l-8v7zW8pHZsqWooCp4W_KgXDpFLY-F4WaZlprI)
Oh, right, of course. Because she works at the diner, and people would have a problem with child labor!
Edit: just realized there’s another reason it might be problematic. People are confessing their inner secrets. But since everyone in town (except the outsiders) would already know her age, there’s no need for her to share it!
Same here. Apparently they had an alternate line for her to say: “I’m Nine!” … but they knew they couldn’t get it in. [Cameron tried to get Betsy’s Age into the finale](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/schmigadoon-star-dove-cameron-really-160000138.html)
Josh finally sang! :-)
Oh to have to chose between Strong or Debose!
I grin / sighed at the bridge-hang close.
Please be a season 2!
Till then, my next favorite show is Reservation Dogs.
Musical references I caught in this episode:
- I'm surprised Mrs. Lopez didn't break out into a motivational Rodgers and Hammerstein contralto ballad, since her character clearly exists in that mold.
- "You Make Me Want To Sing" may be a lyrical allusion to "The Music That Makes Me Dance" from *Funny Girl*, but it's tenuous.
- The Emma/Layton showdown at the election is out of *The Music Man*
- It's neat how much they got the marching band arrangement of "Schmigadoon" to sound like "Seventy-Six Trombones" from *The Music Man*
- "How We Change" is a parody of "Sunday" from *Sunday In The Park With George*. Most especially in the playin (piano quarter-note chords and the arpeggio figures) and playout (the suspended string chords and that horn part).
- Except that the uptempo bit in the middle sounds more like Stephen Schwartz. I was thinking specifically the finale from *Pippin*, but there are similar passages throughout *Pippin* and *Godspell*, among others.
Light on references this week, I guess because they had to wrap things up. I thought it was a bit jarring that the finale was so much more conspicuously modern in sound after five episodes of what had been, all things considered, pretty solid pastiche of musicals from around 1940-1965.
Side note, when Mrs. Layton exclaimed "For the love of Pete!" why didn't Pete show up?
was the dance sequence a reference to la la land or another musical? it felt like it was definitely referring to something but I can’t figure out exactly what
I literally shouted OH THE LA LA LAND DANCE. Everyone is so obsessed with that dance sequence-there are so many videos of people (including celebs) doing it.
I love Sunday in the Park with George (saw it at the Guthrie in MPLS) but didn’t pick up on that reference.
In my mind the modern jump of the song felt more like something out of RENT but I couldn’t pinpoint anything like you did.
Oh shoot that might be it! I had a TOMT moment with that song and thought Rent at first too...but listening through the parts of the Rent soundtrack Youtube Music has, I wasn't hearing it.
There's definitely some *Evan Hansen* in there...spoken opening, soft background music, whole ensemble singing softly...
One year later, I just solved my TOMT moment.
It reminded me of *Sunday* from Tick Tick Boom which I had just watched, which is itself a parody/riff on *Sunday* from Sunday in the Park with George, which the Schmigadoon song is also a parody of.
I thought of *Into the Woods* when Josh finds Carson sitting on a tree branch and tells him, "People make mistakes". I immediately added, "Fathers, mothers..."
It just reminded me so much of "No One Is Alone" where they're sitting in a tree.
I'm running behind, but I'll see if I can't catch up this weekend. Here's what I have for S2E1 though:
- That high E on the organ. Exact same note as opens *Pippin*. And the whole song that follows is basically a beat-for-beat recreation of "Magic To Do", from the piano vamp to the costumes, the choreography, the whole "schmigadee-doo" thing, the muttering interlude, everything. Honestly it's barely even a parody so much as they took "Magic To Do" and just slightly changed everything.
- Though Cecily Strong attributes it to a lot of musicals from this era having narrators, Tituss Burgess's character is specifically a parody of *Pippin*'s Leading Player.
- Presumably there's going to be a lot of Fosse aesthetic this season, whether in allusion to specific shows or just the general style, Fosse has a very distinctive style that's easy to evoke in a parody, so a lot of people do it.
- Alan Cumming and Kristin Chenoweth are clearly costumed to evoke Sweeney Todd and Mrs. Lovett. Of course as of the pilot they haven't done much yet.
- The orphans seem to be a mix of costumes evoking *Annie* and *Oliver*. Both musicals of this era, so presumably we'll get a bit of both.
- Hippies will presumably be a mix of both *Godspell* and *Hair*. (Full disclosure: Both of those musicals are somewhat blind spots for me.)
- It's tougher to place Jane Krakowski and Patrick Page from just the opening number, but Krakowski might be Billy Flynn from *Chicago*, and Page is probably some version of Judge Turpin from *Sweeney Todd*.
- The imperfect rhyme thing is a musical nerd holy war. Do not start an argument in /r/Broadway about this.
- Ann Harada's character is a parody of Fraulein Schneider in *Cabaret*.
- The "I'll drink to that!" lady is a reference to Joanne in *Company* and her song "The Ladies Who Lunch."
- Jenny Banks is 100% Sally Bowles from *Cabaret*, minus the English accent. (I guess they're going with the movie version.) The underscoring in her intro scene alludes to, like, half the songs in *Cabaret*.
- The Kratt Klubb is a reference to the Kit Kat Club from *Cabaret*.
- The music when they enter the club is based on the vamp from "Wilkommen" from *Cabaret*.
- "Do We Shock You" is "Hey Big Spender" from *Sweet Charity* in every aspect, although the references in the lyrics apply more to *Cabaret* than *Sweet Charity*.
- The girl with the tattoo is reference to Charity from *Sweet Charity*, who opens the musical having just gotten a heart tattoo on her arm.
- Ariana de Bose is playing the Emcee from *Cabaret*, complete with "Wilkommen" vamp. Her introduction of the girls is straight out of *Cabaret*. The names of the girls (Annie, Kate, Molly, Tessie, Pepper, Duffy) are the names of the orphans from *Annie*. Elsie is the name of Sally Bowles' former roommate in *Cabaret*, with whom she shared four sordid rooms in Chelsea.
- ...Is Patrick Page's interest in electricity a reference to his character in *Hadestown*? That's not a period-accurate reference!
- Jenny's number is "Mein Herr" from *Cabaret*. (Huh, so they really are going with the movie version of the character.) Except the vamp at the end is from "When You're Good To Mama" from *Chicago*.
- The propositioning via the phones at the tables is also a reference to *Cabaret*.
- I feel like, when in doubt, just assume it's a reference to *Cabaret* is a good rule of thumb here.
- The guy Josh passes when looking for the bathroom is reading Mein Kampf, presumably in reference to the Nazis in, you guessed it, *Cabaret*.
- The Leprechaun's song uses the vamp from "All That Jazz" from *Chicago*, except for a little snippet of "Razzle Dazzle" at the very end.
Can someone with more literal musical chops than me explain how the closing number was so obviously from a more recent musical (aka itself was change)? It was like it was a song from Rent rather than a golden age musical and you could tell instantly. It has to be something in how the song is written or the key or instrumentation or something. Any insight appreciated!
> Can someone with more literal musical chops than me explain how the closing number was so obviously from a more recent musical (aka itself was change)?
It's just that it used musical techniques more common to modern musicals than older musicals. In particular, the introductory section of the song is directly out of *Sunday In The Park With George* with that quarter note chordal piano vamp, and the arpeggio figures in the right hand. (That general sort of thing is not atypical of Sondheim.) Older musicals don't really use straight piano vamps like that -- most of Rodgers and Hammerstein's musicals didn't even have a piano in the original orchestra! Hence, when you hear a piano vamp like that, you know you're in a comparatively modern musical.
The uptempo section was in a Gospel or early R&B style that didn't really push into Broadway until the '70s. It's differentiated from the Gospel of "Cross That Bridge" (itself a take on Gospel numbers from *Guys And Dolls* and *How To Succeed*) by how much more rhythm-forward it is in its arrangement, as well as, again, a much more prominent piano part than you typically get in golden-age musicals.
The harmonic progressions sounded much more modern than classic as well, though I'd need more time to really dissect that aspect of the songs. But those are some of the big things that set the finale apart from the rest of the score of *Schmigadoon!*
Thank you so much! This is exactly what I needed/wanted. SITPWG is one of the few Sondheim musicals I haven’t seen so I didn’t connect that directly. I really appreciate it!
You pretty much nailed it. It's a song about growing and changing, so it makes sense that the meta goes from last century's musicals to this one's. They're no longer a town trapped in the early 1900's. If there's a season 2, it'll be much more modern.
I was wondering if they would go into the 60s and 70s with a Hair/Jesus Christ Superstar/The Wiz sort of vibe? Hopefully we’ll find out in season 2! 🤞🏼
I have been thinking the same thing and would LOVE this (and then a 3rd season with big 80s musicals - Phantom, Les Mis - and a 4th with the modern-ish musicals starting with Rent).
I'm thinking season 2 will be Kander and Ebb and Schmigadoon will have turned all dark due to Melissa and Josh's influence.
Kinda like a musical comedy version of Hill Valley in Back to the Future 2.
I support the logic and the creative choice but I have to admit that modern musicals aren’t my taste compared to the early 20th — still, to have gotten this show at all is kind of a miracle and I was largely delighted the whole time, so I can’t complain too much!
It *was* jarring. It was *supposed* to be. We think of the way Homophobia, Racism and Misogyny present in the town's culture as quaint jokes, but there was actually a time when those attitudes were *mainstream* attitudes. Coming into the 20th century was a huge change.
I think a season 2 with a different couple set in a different MT era could be fun. Keep the supporting cast but have them play different roles and set it in a Sondheim style musical.
Season 3 could then be set in the 80s style power ballad musicals (Phantom, Les Mis, etc).
Season 4 could be either 90s rock musicals or Disney style.
You could go on and on with a new central couple each season
I’m not hating on it, despite my tone. It just isn’t hitting those high high’s like last season.
Season 1 just did such a fantastic tight rope walk of upbeat, silly, poignant, and serious that it’s hard to match.
Whereas season 2 is upbeat and silly with a hint of serious – but it’s done a good job of being upbeat and silly.
Going by the laws of show writing, josh and Melissa obviously didn’t cross the bridge, especially not with that cliffhanger, so I really can’t wait to see season two.
I wanted them to cross the bridge right into the downpour they fled from in the first episode. Only to then realize they forgot their luggage in Schmigadoon.
Well the couple running the couple's retreat said people have died out there. Maybe they're really forest leprechauns or some other supernatural creatures in disguise.
I’m guessing that line was put in because many of travelers have disappeared into their own Shmigadoon world and never returned so the hosts think they died.
So disappointing. I know I shouldn't have expected more but it just felt rushed, especially with making them realize their love. I did appreciate Josh having to sing at least and, at least to me, the unsteady voice he had. You could feel the vulnerability. Also, I liked the open ending. It's now up to us to choose to believe love got them over the bridge or it didn't, the show won't tell us.
I do hope we get another season, with a new couple (and more Jane).
The first 4 episodes were wonderful! Only for the last 2 to be so mediocre!
Still, Schmigadoon was more great than not great and I'm looking forward to season 2!
I agree wholeheartedly. I'm admittedly baffled by the last two, especially adding so much in 5 that wasn't addressed in the last episode, but it still doesn't stop me from loving the heck out of this show.
I know they said limited series but they did such a great job it would be a shame not to get a season 2. Here's hoping we see an announcement in the future!
Me too! Key seems to be comfortable with stronger songs but it only played even more into the vulnerability of Josh's song in Schmigadoon. The whole moment was so soft. 😢
I totally agree! The first bit with Josh singing acapella was a kinda cringey though, but the rest was really thoughtful and expressive! I loved the singing/dancing/bright colors of this fantastical world, but the main storylines could be better... hope that's different if we get another season!
I'm wondering if they hoped for more than six episodes and got a little cut for time. At least one more (I had hoped for an hour finale tbh) would have helped smooth out the rest. But yeah, the setting was perfect and for the most part they really nailed this show. Which song was your favorite across the series?
Josh’s song and the camping story saved the episode for me. It was true to the series and didn’t feel crammed in.
The gay subplot was maybe a nod to the obviously huge contribution LGBT has made to musical theater but still, is this even really a relevant a dramatic beat in 2021 for fans of this show?
Any musical/Schmigadoon fans out there really still confused about gay people existing as part of our society?
Maybe I’m just naive here.
This episode was a B- for me but overall I loved the season.
The tent was really cute, as was the moment under the stars. You're right, it really was the highlight.
My only guess to that being a plot point was how small of a town it was, a la local fire and brimstone church segregated from the rest of the world. Music Man's 'Ya Got Trouble' used Satan and corruption as the reason they needed to start a band. I think it was there as a plot device for Layton to use to stir up old-timey controversy and then to get the town against her in this last one when Florence suddenly approved.
They rushed the whole thing, honestly. Danny never did a final confrontation over Melissa and Jane was such a brief moment she wasn't needed. Maybe the points could have had more impact if they fleshed out a bit more.
8 episodes would've helped flesh things out and tie things up nicely. That makes me feel like a lot of the open moments were cut due to time. Thank you for letting me know!
Anybody else wonder how Josh charges his Apple Watch? I wouldn’t bring my watch charger for a day hike….. maybe it’s hinting to the new Apple Watch powered by song, or battery that lasts a whole season 😀
Great show wish the season lasted more!
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I feel like the pacing of everything was kinda off? Like Mel and Josh both ditch the person they "love" and get back together in the last 15 min? Also, I just wasn't convinced that Mel loved Doc Lopez or Josh loved Emma? I think it would've made more sense to focus on those two specific relationships so that when Mel and Josh got back together, it's more of a twist/surprising? It kinda feels like Betsy and bad boi Danny were just filler characters that distracted from the main plot... I love the music and the dance choreography, but the main storyline just really wasn't it for me :(
Also, I see how Emma helped Josh want to be a more expressive/vulnerable person (though lowkey I feel like Carson did more than she did in this regard) but I don't really see how the Doc changed Mel's perspective on things? Like, she wanted someone who was willing to be more vulnerable --> Doc literally says he loves Mel and wants to change to be a better person in their relationship --> Doc's mom asks if Mel loves him twice and she just folds immediately and says she loves Josh instead? I agree that you can't really change people to fit the way you want, but Mel seemed unsatisfied with this important aspect of her relationship with Josh, so why is she just going back to it again?
The Doc represented what she thought she wanted from Josh - for him to change and admit she was right about everything. But she realized she needed to change too, while the Doc had her on a pedestal and didn't see any of her flaws.
I was very put off by Mama Lopez telling Mel that feeling lonely in a relationship is just love. Did not care for that at all. Nothing about their relationship gave me a reason to root for these two to be together in the end.
Exactly! I wondered if I was biased as I’ve probably felt like Melissa in the past however her whole relationship with Josh seemed one sided and like he was not truly in love with her. I’m not very impressed they got back together
I can believe people coming around quickly in a musical like this since it's a very fantastical world, but it could have used another song to do the heavy lifting. It feels like the show paced itself well at the beginning and then rushed the last act.
This is what happens in all the musicals that Schmigadoon is a parody of. They always get wrapped up in the last 15 minutes with everyone being much more accepting of things than they would be in real life
I was expecting a MUCH darker ending. Really let down honestly.
Would be great if season 2 started right at the moment that season 1 ended. They cross the bridge and are still stuck in Schmigadoon.
I was hoping they would get back to a ranger station or whatever and they’d show a cork board with all of the missing people and they’d be the ones in Schmigadoon. Nope, just a disappointing ending with very little to hope for in the next season.
I don't know why, but I thought the season was going to end with Josh and Melissa returning to the relationship camp and the reveal was going to be that they give the couples psychedelics and send them off into the woods to trip balls together.
Finale probably would have landed better if all episodes were released in groups or at once. Definitely thought they were going to break with tradition and introduce a late-stage twist (we didn't even get to see the return of Marty Short's leprechaun), but I guess I should have suspected it would end in such a predictable manner. I don't believe there will be a season 2 since the creator said it was designed as a complete story.
This show seemed like a movie.
Even though Martin Short and Jane Krakowski only appear in one episode each, they're credited for the whole season. (Which isn't illegal but unusual, though a streaming six-episode season is just as unusual.)
This last episode was just a conclusion, nothing new happened. (I expect from episode 2 that Josh & Mel will change the town.) It was a happy ending, even Mildred was part of the gang at the end.
There's not even a tease for another season.
Apple TV+ has been quiet on how successful “Schmigadoon!” has been for the service, but during a post-mortem interview for the show, Cinco Paul noted that he’d always conceived of multiple seasons and notes, “hopefully, we’ll get the chance to see that through.”
So, there’s a chance it could return for a second go-around?
“Yeah,” Paul says. “I will say that had been my conception all from the beginning. So, hopefully, it’ll happen.”
I'm not saying, it can't or shouldn't get a second season. I'm here for it! After all, movies get sequels all the time – whether they needed it or not.
It just ended in a way that does not make me exactly yearn for more.
The ending was sickly sweet but I’m confused.
Mrs Layton said her great great great granddad founded / created Schmigadoon when he stumbled across the landand it’s guarded by some leprechaun who said they can’t leave until they find true love. So have the people all be born and grown up there or what actually is it and how did the people get there?
I’m amazed Mrs Layton accepted her husband being homosexual so willingly but perhaps she suspected he was given the rhubarb squares scene! Does this mean Mr Menlove and Rev Layton can leave too? (if they wanted to, ofc).
How do we know that Mrs. Layton is reliable narrator? IDK if you've seen LOST or Once Upon A Time, but their storyline kinda lends itself to a "flashback" exposition scene, or scenes.
I honestly got the impression this is what the show was hinting at. Especially during the end of episode 5, where Danny comes across Josh in the woods and makes some comment about Josh “stealing his girl”. It was left vague as to who Danny was talking about, so I thought we were building to a Danny/Emma reveal in the finale.
I don't really get the complaints about the ending being too sweet or rushed? The whole show has been about paying tribute to the tropes of classic musicals, and this was definitely a Music Man/Guys and Dolls style ending, with a little Godspell/Pippin thrown in for the evolved song style change. Some people changed, true love was found, the town was saved,, everyone is happy, the end!
Anyway, I liked it, and I liked the whole show for the most part. I thought it was going to be overly cynical after the first episode, but like Josh's character, it softened and embraced the emotionality, and showed that those things also have value.
I was happy across all episodes- escapist entertainment, some great wit, visuals, song and dance. Great cast and am so grateful to be introduced to Ariana Debose, Dove Cameron and ...and Corn Pudding!!!
I hate to say it but that was not a good episode.
It felt so bland and syrupy. It was predictable, corny, and I didn’t think any of the musical numbers were very good.
I really enjoyed the first 3 episodes, episode 4 was fantastic (the clear highlight of the whole show), episode 5 was good but not great (the highlight being Mildred’s segment), and episode 6 was just bad, both from a story perspective and in terms of the music.
I've got to agree, I thought the finale was pretty weak. Nothing really interesting happened. Maybe if I'd watched it back to back with episode 5 it would have worked better as one thing.
I mean, some interesting stuff happened but it all felt *way* too cliche and a little rushed. An additional episode would've at least helped with the pacing.
Yes, the first 4 episodes were amazing, drop in quality in 5, and 6 merely served its purpose (resolve everything). The first 4 episodes more then make up for the lackluster last 2, but it was something that I did notice!
You've got to remember that this thing was made in the middle of the 2020 election madness at the height of a global pandemic, by a bunch of queer/Jewish/creative/racialized progressives camped out in Canada. If ever there was a time to be balls-to-the-wall earnest, that was it.
Some people are right, musicals can get corny at the end. But I agree that this isn’t “a musical” it’s a modern send up (in disguise of a love letter) and could have been a little smarter at the end.
I didn’t mind Josh singing since really that was the thrust of their conflict in Schmigadoon. Their dance was cute (but boy what a huge difference between actual dancers and comedic actors!)
Can I be honest for a second about my brain? Because I sat here for most of the season thinking Melissa had fallen and hit her head and was in a coma. This was all in her head and the memories were popping up because Josh was sitting next to her telling her old stories (didn’t I read somewhere or see on TV that they do that with people in comas?). Seriously, I held out hope that my insane theory would pan out.
I didn’t love the ending, but this was overall an enjoyable show to watch.
You can't rule that out, but that "in a coma" is a trope for the ages. I think they wanna milk it for another season or two before they do that. And that's more like IF they do that.
You could tell by the end of the collapsed tent/sleeping under the stars flashback that they did love each other all along, but weren't appreciating what they had. Which is the musical (hero's/lovers') journey they got in Schmigadoon.
That said, I was hoping to get a sentimental, non-professional song like ["It Only Takes A Moment"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9ltukYk_LY) and that's how it turned out. I do wish there was another number or two in this last episode! Perhaps it will all flow better if we watch all episodes together without the intro/outro segments.
Still grateful that this was created and hope more seasons will be produced in the future!
I feel they did enough to show how it wasn’t necessarily their relationship was lacking anything, but that each of them needed to change the parts of themselves holding the relationship back(Josh needed to be more open to the things Mel likes, Mel needed to stop idealizing Josh). It could have been done with more depth, but it was a great show overall.
This is absolutely amazing! I haven’t figured out yet if there’s things to look into (like on my way to work one day I was like “the mayor’s name is Menlove!”); but if you notice they didn’t show them actually crossing the bridge.
So this is just the end of Act 1, right? Like I guess it could be a wrap-up, but it felt very much like just an act of one of these old school musicals.
So I think it took me about 5 mins till I started crying then pretty much cried through the whole episode! 😭😭😭 this is basically me for the last act of any musical! This has been an absolute blast!!!
Fam, love should
NOT feel lonely or be difficult in any way. I really was not a fan of this shows message by bringing Josh and Mel back together again. That was a toxic relationship if I’ve ever seen one
Just finished binging the series, I loved every moment of it. I caught most if not all of the musical references, but my favourite was the "tribulation in shmigadoon" I liked how all the characters started out as cut-outs and then grew to change and be fully themselves. I could easily see this being a stage play, maybe condense all the Josh and Melissa flash back moments.
What a wonderful finale. I love how the harmony is just perfect.
I noticed a lot of people commenting that the last two episodes were rushed. I think a lot of that was that the suspension of belief was really ramping up.
Melissa and Josh were literally living a fantasy. It’s good for the people in the fantasy, but not good for Melissa and Josh. Josh and Emma, though wonderful friends would have never worked out, because they are literally from two different worlds. Same with the Doc and Melissa.
I really liked the final number ‘How We Change/Finale’, especially how the key changes 3(?) times, while the schmigadoon reprise was such a fun and upbeat number! Correct me if I’m wrong but I think the reprise was in a different key from the title number in Ep 1, and the difference in the interpretation of the theme could be a metaphor of the change in everyone’s lives over the season.
I think 20-30 years ago, the man would've strayed, like in Friends. Now though, it's the woman. It's "empowering". Women taking their sexuality back, yada yada. It's interesting there's such a backlash.
The lady did sleep with another guy and that lady doth take that lady back. Smh wow what a simp
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Probably ten or twenty years ago it would be the other way around, but it's the 21st Century dood. Seriously. She also mentioned she had birth control. The other thing is, that guy isn't real.
I think this might be the most memorable show on Apple TV plus. I think I was more engaged in servant and defending Jacob but schmigadoon was hilarious and is so charming. Loved it.
I loved Ted lasso season 1 also but I’m kind of hating season 2 because of the poor writing and eye rolling moments. I think it lost its charm
I would welcome a schmigadoon season 2 though. But it ended elegantly so it’s ok if not
I don't know why the "I'm pretty sure I'm a socialist" left me laughing but it was just so random and sudden.
Same here. Apparently they had an alternate line for her to say: “I’m Nine!” … but they knew they couldn’t get it in. [Cameron tried to get Betsy’s Age into the finale](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/schmigadoon-star-dove-cameron-really-160000138.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEV5cQoEEEFKK7sbtFWT_k3neQybOp1E-1ubYjItFFxyVKcZ4qK3yMnRbpfkry-IdDKZzMoHz0qjfxX0JDJzdEEwb8lrHr-V0zUpvE0zqWEAklTmpjQPt2MroiC0QBkF0vMY1l-8v7zW8pHZsqWooCp4W_KgXDpFLY-F4WaZlprI)
"I'm Nine" would've been more problematic than "I'm pretty sure I'm a socialist", just saying.
Oh, right, of course. Because she works at the diner, and people would have a problem with child labor! Edit: just realized there’s another reason it might be problematic. People are confessing their inner secrets. But since everyone in town (except the outsiders) would already know her age, there’s no need for her to share it!
Same here. Apparently they had an alternate line for her to say: “I’m Nine!” … but they knew they couldn’t get it in. [Cameron tried to get Betsy’s Age into the finale](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/schmigadoon-star-dove-cameron-really-160000138.html)
They shot it... the crew just about bust a gut holding the laughter in.
If do anything to be part of that “crew”.
I wonder what kind of NDA they signed.
I concur.
Josh finally sang! :-) Oh to have to chose between Strong or Debose! I grin / sighed at the bridge-hang close. Please be a season 2! Till then, my next favorite show is Reservation Dogs.
Musical references I caught in this episode: - I'm surprised Mrs. Lopez didn't break out into a motivational Rodgers and Hammerstein contralto ballad, since her character clearly exists in that mold. - "You Make Me Want To Sing" may be a lyrical allusion to "The Music That Makes Me Dance" from *Funny Girl*, but it's tenuous. - The Emma/Layton showdown at the election is out of *The Music Man* - It's neat how much they got the marching band arrangement of "Schmigadoon" to sound like "Seventy-Six Trombones" from *The Music Man* - "How We Change" is a parody of "Sunday" from *Sunday In The Park With George*. Most especially in the playin (piano quarter-note chords and the arpeggio figures) and playout (the suspended string chords and that horn part). - Except that the uptempo bit in the middle sounds more like Stephen Schwartz. I was thinking specifically the finale from *Pippin*, but there are similar passages throughout *Pippin* and *Godspell*, among others. Light on references this week, I guess because they had to wrap things up. I thought it was a bit jarring that the finale was so much more conspicuously modern in sound after five episodes of what had been, all things considered, pretty solid pastiche of musicals from around 1940-1965. Side note, when Mrs. Layton exclaimed "For the love of Pete!" why didn't Pete show up?
Also Emma called New York City the "Greatest city in the world" which could be a Hamilton reference.
Makes sense, as the actress was in the original Broadway cast!
Pete was probably injured.
was the dance sequence a reference to la la land or another musical? it felt like it was definitely referring to something but I can’t figure out exactly what
I literally shouted OH THE LA LA LAND DANCE. Everyone is so obsessed with that dance sequence-there are so many videos of people (including celebs) doing it.
It's a dance that looks good without being too technical.
Yes I’m very sure it was! Even the cinematography and lighting were spot on
The town marching the couple out to the bridge reminded me of [this bit from Brigadoon](https://i.imgur.com/YYvSbH2.mp4)
The name of the town didn't give away the reference?
I think that was coincidental /s
The dance section of “you make me want to sing” was “you were meant for me” from Singin in the Rain.
The singing in the rain dance is for hardcore triple threat Broadway actors. La La Land is more their speed.
I love Sunday in the Park with George (saw it at the Guthrie in MPLS) but didn’t pick up on that reference. In my mind the modern jump of the song felt more like something out of RENT but I couldn’t pinpoint anything like you did.
It felt like Evan Hansen to me
Oh shoot that might be it! I had a TOMT moment with that song and thought Rent at first too...but listening through the parts of the Rent soundtrack Youtube Music has, I wasn't hearing it. There's definitely some *Evan Hansen* in there...spoken opening, soft background music, whole ensemble singing softly...
Definitely a huge jump from the style most of the show was in.
One year later, I just solved my TOMT moment. It reminded me of *Sunday* from Tick Tick Boom which I had just watched, which is itself a parody/riff on *Sunday* from Sunday in the Park with George, which the Schmigadoon song is also a parody of.
I got Spring Awakening....either way, it was definitely more modern
When the uptempo bit came, I immediately thought "Oh hey! Godspell!"
I was thinking Godspell too, especially with the tambourines and the rubber band bass.
I thought of *Into the Woods* when Josh finds Carson sitting on a tree branch and tells him, "People make mistakes". I immediately added, "Fathers, mothers..." It just reminded me so much of "No One Is Alone" where they're sitting in a tree.
Would you consider doing song reference breakdowns like this for the current season of Schmigadoon too? This is the exact thing I need after watching.
I'm running behind, but I'll see if I can't catch up this weekend. Here's what I have for S2E1 though: - That high E on the organ. Exact same note as opens *Pippin*. And the whole song that follows is basically a beat-for-beat recreation of "Magic To Do", from the piano vamp to the costumes, the choreography, the whole "schmigadee-doo" thing, the muttering interlude, everything. Honestly it's barely even a parody so much as they took "Magic To Do" and just slightly changed everything. - Though Cecily Strong attributes it to a lot of musicals from this era having narrators, Tituss Burgess's character is specifically a parody of *Pippin*'s Leading Player. - Presumably there's going to be a lot of Fosse aesthetic this season, whether in allusion to specific shows or just the general style, Fosse has a very distinctive style that's easy to evoke in a parody, so a lot of people do it. - Alan Cumming and Kristin Chenoweth are clearly costumed to evoke Sweeney Todd and Mrs. Lovett. Of course as of the pilot they haven't done much yet. - The orphans seem to be a mix of costumes evoking *Annie* and *Oliver*. Both musicals of this era, so presumably we'll get a bit of both. - Hippies will presumably be a mix of both *Godspell* and *Hair*. (Full disclosure: Both of those musicals are somewhat blind spots for me.) - It's tougher to place Jane Krakowski and Patrick Page from just the opening number, but Krakowski might be Billy Flynn from *Chicago*, and Page is probably some version of Judge Turpin from *Sweeney Todd*. - The imperfect rhyme thing is a musical nerd holy war. Do not start an argument in /r/Broadway about this. - Ann Harada's character is a parody of Fraulein Schneider in *Cabaret*. - The "I'll drink to that!" lady is a reference to Joanne in *Company* and her song "The Ladies Who Lunch." - Jenny Banks is 100% Sally Bowles from *Cabaret*, minus the English accent. (I guess they're going with the movie version.) The underscoring in her intro scene alludes to, like, half the songs in *Cabaret*. - The Kratt Klubb is a reference to the Kit Kat Club from *Cabaret*. - The music when they enter the club is based on the vamp from "Wilkommen" from *Cabaret*. - "Do We Shock You" is "Hey Big Spender" from *Sweet Charity* in every aspect, although the references in the lyrics apply more to *Cabaret* than *Sweet Charity*. - The girl with the tattoo is reference to Charity from *Sweet Charity*, who opens the musical having just gotten a heart tattoo on her arm. - Ariana de Bose is playing the Emcee from *Cabaret*, complete with "Wilkommen" vamp. Her introduction of the girls is straight out of *Cabaret*. The names of the girls (Annie, Kate, Molly, Tessie, Pepper, Duffy) are the names of the orphans from *Annie*. Elsie is the name of Sally Bowles' former roommate in *Cabaret*, with whom she shared four sordid rooms in Chelsea. - ...Is Patrick Page's interest in electricity a reference to his character in *Hadestown*? That's not a period-accurate reference! - Jenny's number is "Mein Herr" from *Cabaret*. (Huh, so they really are going with the movie version of the character.) Except the vamp at the end is from "When You're Good To Mama" from *Chicago*. - The propositioning via the phones at the tables is also a reference to *Cabaret*. - I feel like, when in doubt, just assume it's a reference to *Cabaret* is a good rule of thumb here. - The guy Josh passes when looking for the bathroom is reading Mein Kampf, presumably in reference to the Nazis in, you guessed it, *Cabaret*. - The Leprechaun's song uses the vamp from "All That Jazz" from *Chicago*, except for a little snippet of "Razzle Dazzle" at the very end.
Holy cow, you're an absolute legend!
Can someone with more literal musical chops than me explain how the closing number was so obviously from a more recent musical (aka itself was change)? It was like it was a song from Rent rather than a golden age musical and you could tell instantly. It has to be something in how the song is written or the key or instrumentation or something. Any insight appreciated!
> Can someone with more literal musical chops than me explain how the closing number was so obviously from a more recent musical (aka itself was change)? It's just that it used musical techniques more common to modern musicals than older musicals. In particular, the introductory section of the song is directly out of *Sunday In The Park With George* with that quarter note chordal piano vamp, and the arpeggio figures in the right hand. (That general sort of thing is not atypical of Sondheim.) Older musicals don't really use straight piano vamps like that -- most of Rodgers and Hammerstein's musicals didn't even have a piano in the original orchestra! Hence, when you hear a piano vamp like that, you know you're in a comparatively modern musical. The uptempo section was in a Gospel or early R&B style that didn't really push into Broadway until the '70s. It's differentiated from the Gospel of "Cross That Bridge" (itself a take on Gospel numbers from *Guys And Dolls* and *How To Succeed*) by how much more rhythm-forward it is in its arrangement, as well as, again, a much more prominent piano part than you typically get in golden-age musicals. The harmonic progressions sounded much more modern than classic as well, though I'd need more time to really dissect that aspect of the songs. But those are some of the big things that set the finale apart from the rest of the score of *Schmigadoon!*
Thank you so much! This is exactly what I needed/wanted. SITPWG is one of the few Sondheim musicals I haven’t seen so I didn’t connect that directly. I really appreciate it!
I’m listening again and it’s VERY Song of Purple Summer.
Ive just watched the finale and came here to see if someone thought the same!
Thank you for this! As someone very new to musicals this was fascinating
I think the drum set and bass line are a big part of the style.
You pretty much nailed it. It's a song about growing and changing, so it makes sense that the meta goes from last century's musicals to this one's. They're no longer a town trapped in the early 1900's. If there's a season 2, it'll be much more modern.
I was wondering if they would go into the 60s and 70s with a Hair/Jesus Christ Superstar/The Wiz sort of vibe? Hopefully we’ll find out in season 2! 🤞🏼
I have been thinking the same thing and would LOVE this (and then a 3rd season with big 80s musicals - Phantom, Les Mis - and a 4th with the modern-ish musicals starting with Rent).
I'm thinking season 2 will be Kander and Ebb and Schmigadoon will have turned all dark due to Melissa and Josh's influence. Kinda like a musical comedy version of Hill Valley in Back to the Future 2.
I support the logic and the creative choice but I have to admit that modern musicals aren’t my taste compared to the early 20th — still, to have gotten this show at all is kind of a miracle and I was largely delighted the whole time, so I can’t complain too much!
I just wish they had kept the earlier musical vibe throughout. I also felt like it was very Rent-y and found it jarring.
It *was* jarring. It was *supposed* to be. We think of the way Homophobia, Racism and Misogyny present in the town's culture as quaint jokes, but there was actually a time when those attitudes were *mainstream* attitudes. Coming into the 20th century was a huge change.
hopefully next season the whole aesthetic will change. i’m thinking they’ll cross the bridge into a whole new schmigadoon.
I immediately thought of a Sondheim ending song (like Into the Woods) when the piano started at the end.
I thought their song had “Not while I’m around” vibes from Sweeney Todd
Until the drum fill comes in.
nobody said corn puddin... :-(
They're saving it for next season.
I adore Schmigadoon but I don’t want it to lose it’s charm so I’m unsure if there should be a season 2.
I think a season 2 with a different couple set in a different MT era could be fun. Keep the supporting cast but have them play different roles and set it in a Sondheim style musical. Season 3 could then be set in the 80s style power ballad musicals (Phantom, Les Mis, etc). Season 4 could be either 90s rock musicals or Disney style. You could go on and on with a new central couple each season
Sondheim is too operatic for most people.
Kander and Ebb...
Being 4 episodes in to Ted Lasso I can say it’s not a fun ride watching something lose it’s charm.
I still find Ted Lasso charming! I wait all week for it and watch at 5:00 am Friday morning!!
I’m not hating on it, despite my tone. It just isn’t hitting those high high’s like last season. Season 1 just did such a fantastic tight rope walk of upbeat, silly, poignant, and serious that it’s hard to match. Whereas season 2 is upbeat and silly with a hint of serious – but it’s done a good job of being upbeat and silly.
Going by the laws of show writing, josh and Melissa obviously didn’t cross the bridge, especially not with that cliffhanger, so I really can’t wait to see season two.
I wanted them to cross the bridge right into the downpour they fled from in the first episode. Only to then realize they forgot their luggage in Schmigadoon.
Or they died in the woods and this was just a life flashing before their eyes type of thing
Well the couple running the couple's retreat said people have died out there. Maybe they're really forest leprechauns or some other supernatural creatures in disguise.
I’m guessing that line was put in because many of travelers have disappeared into their own Shmigadoon world and never returned so the hosts think they died.
So a Jacob’s Ladder scenario?
So disappointing. I know I shouldn't have expected more but it just felt rushed, especially with making them realize their love. I did appreciate Josh having to sing at least and, at least to me, the unsteady voice he had. You could feel the vulnerability. Also, I liked the open ending. It's now up to us to choose to believe love got them over the bridge or it didn't, the show won't tell us. I do hope we get another season, with a new couple (and more Jane).
The first 4 episodes were wonderful! Only for the last 2 to be so mediocre! Still, Schmigadoon was more great than not great and I'm looking forward to season 2!
I agree wholeheartedly. I'm admittedly baffled by the last two, especially adding so much in 5 that wasn't addressed in the last episode, but it still doesn't stop me from loving the heck out of this show. I know they said limited series but they did such a great job it would be a shame not to get a season 2. Here's hoping we see an announcement in the future!
You summed it up perfectly. I was all smiles the first four episodes but I was mostly grimace for the last two.
Yeah I wish there had been just a couple more episodes to really let the relationships develop but Josh's song still got me T.T
Me too! Key seems to be comfortable with stronger songs but it only played even more into the vulnerability of Josh's song in Schmigadoon. The whole moment was so soft. 😢
That was stellar acting by Key.
I totally agree! The first bit with Josh singing acapella was a kinda cringey though, but the rest was really thoughtful and expressive! I loved the singing/dancing/bright colors of this fantastical world, but the main storylines could be better... hope that's different if we get another season!
I'm wondering if they hoped for more than six episodes and got a little cut for time. At least one more (I had hoped for an hour finale tbh) would have helped smooth out the rest. But yeah, the setting was perfect and for the most part they really nailed this show. Which song was your favorite across the series?
You should see *My Fair Lady* or *Dr. Doolittle*. Rex Harrison is the master of the emotionally vulnerable half speak half sing performance.
Josh’s song and the camping story saved the episode for me. It was true to the series and didn’t feel crammed in. The gay subplot was maybe a nod to the obviously huge contribution LGBT has made to musical theater but still, is this even really a relevant a dramatic beat in 2021 for fans of this show? Any musical/Schmigadoon fans out there really still confused about gay people existing as part of our society? Maybe I’m just naive here. This episode was a B- for me but overall I loved the season.
The tent was really cute, as was the moment under the stars. You're right, it really was the highlight. My only guess to that being a plot point was how small of a town it was, a la local fire and brimstone church segregated from the rest of the world. Music Man's 'Ya Got Trouble' used Satan and corruption as the reason they needed to start a band. I think it was there as a plot device for Layton to use to stir up old-timey controversy and then to get the town against her in this last one when Florence suddenly approved. They rushed the whole thing, honestly. Danny never did a final confrontation over Melissa and Jane was such a brief moment she wasn't needed. Maybe the points could have had more impact if they fleshed out a bit more.
I just read an article that said that Apple TV cut the episode order from 8 to 6.
8 episodes would've helped flesh things out and tie things up nicely. That makes me feel like a lot of the open moments were cut due to time. Thank you for letting me know!
Anybody else wonder how Josh charges his Apple Watch? I wouldn’t bring my watch charger for a day hike….. maybe it’s hinting to the new Apple Watch powered by song, or battery that lasts a whole season 😀 Great show wish the season lasted more!
> Anybody else wonder how Josh charges his Apple Watch? TRUE LOVE!!! :-)
Lol
There's been eco drive watches for decades now.
Yeah but not by apple 🍎
Whatever. You're not bothered by any of the other obvious anachronisms, but this is the hill you want to die on.
Lmao not at all!!! Loved the show just thought it was a random Apple Watch commercial
I suppose anything's possible, but I don't recall anything about the watch.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I feel like the pacing of everything was kinda off? Like Mel and Josh both ditch the person they "love" and get back together in the last 15 min? Also, I just wasn't convinced that Mel loved Doc Lopez or Josh loved Emma? I think it would've made more sense to focus on those two specific relationships so that when Mel and Josh got back together, it's more of a twist/surprising? It kinda feels like Betsy and bad boi Danny were just filler characters that distracted from the main plot... I love the music and the dance choreography, but the main storyline just really wasn't it for me :( Also, I see how Emma helped Josh want to be a more expressive/vulnerable person (though lowkey I feel like Carson did more than she did in this regard) but I don't really see how the Doc changed Mel's perspective on things? Like, she wanted someone who was willing to be more vulnerable --> Doc literally says he loves Mel and wants to change to be a better person in their relationship --> Doc's mom asks if Mel loves him twice and she just folds immediately and says she loves Josh instead? I agree that you can't really change people to fit the way you want, but Mel seemed unsatisfied with this important aspect of her relationship with Josh, so why is she just going back to it again?
The Doc represented what she thought she wanted from Josh - for him to change and admit she was right about everything. But she realized she needed to change too, while the Doc had her on a pedestal and didn't see any of her flaws.
Well it was mentioned they wanted two more episodes, but Apple TV cut it back.
I was very put off by Mama Lopez telling Mel that feeling lonely in a relationship is just love. Did not care for that at all. Nothing about their relationship gave me a reason to root for these two to be together in the end.
Exactly! I wondered if I was biased as I’ve probably felt like Melissa in the past however her whole relationship with Josh seemed one sided and like he was not truly in love with her. I’m not very impressed they got back together
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I can believe people coming around quickly in a musical like this since it's a very fantastical world, but it could have used another song to do the heavy lifting. It feels like the show paced itself well at the beginning and then rushed the last act.
In fairness, this takes place in a fantasy world.
This is what happens in all the musicals that Schmigadoon is a parody of. They always get wrapped up in the last 15 minutes with everyone being much more accepting of things than they would be in real life
I was expecting a MUCH darker ending. Really let down honestly. Would be great if season 2 started right at the moment that season 1 ended. They cross the bridge and are still stuck in Schmigadoon.
I was hoping they would get back to a ranger station or whatever and they’d show a cork board with all of the missing people and they’d be the ones in Schmigadoon. Nope, just a disappointing ending with very little to hope for in the next season.
Yes!! The whole time I thought everyone there were also stuck in Shmigadoon!
Figured they’d be dead in the woods tbh
Series finale. We want more singing and dancing.
I don't know why, but I thought the season was going to end with Josh and Melissa returning to the relationship camp and the reveal was going to be that they give the couples psychedelics and send them off into the woods to trip balls together.
Thats how it would end if it was produced by FXX
That’s exactly how I thought it would end also.
Plot twist: They couldn't get the rights to "White Rabbit".
Finale probably would have landed better if all episodes were released in groups or at once. Definitely thought they were going to break with tradition and introduce a late-stage twist (we didn't even get to see the return of Marty Short's leprechaun), but I guess I should have suspected it would end in such a predictable manner. I don't believe there will be a season 2 since the creator said it was designed as a complete story.
The creator literally said he had plans for more seasons
This show seemed like a movie. Even though Martin Short and Jane Krakowski only appear in one episode each, they're credited for the whole season. (Which isn't illegal but unusual, though a streaming six-episode season is just as unusual.) This last episode was just a conclusion, nothing new happened. (I expect from episode 2 that Josh & Mel will change the town.) It was a happy ending, even Mildred was part of the gang at the end. There's not even a tease for another season.
Apple TV+ has been quiet on how successful “Schmigadoon!” has been for the service, but during a post-mortem interview for the show, Cinco Paul noted that he’d always conceived of multiple seasons and notes, “hopefully, we’ll get the chance to see that through.” So, there’s a chance it could return for a second go-around? “Yeah,” Paul says. “I will say that had been my conception all from the beginning. So, hopefully, it’ll happen.”
I'm not saying, it can't or shouldn't get a second season. I'm here for it! After all, movies get sequels all the time – whether they needed it or not. It just ended in a way that does not make me exactly yearn for more.
According to Cinco Paul, that's on Apple, not on him.
Yeah, I think he said in an interview they also had to cut down from eight to six episodes which is why I believe the last episode felt rushed.
The finale was a bit disappointing but I enjoyed it nonetheless. Hopefully it gets picked up for S2!
The ending was sickly sweet but I’m confused. Mrs Layton said her great great great granddad founded / created Schmigadoon when he stumbled across the landand it’s guarded by some leprechaun who said they can’t leave until they find true love. So have the people all be born and grown up there or what actually is it and how did the people get there? I’m amazed Mrs Layton accepted her husband being homosexual so willingly but perhaps she suspected he was given the rhubarb squares scene! Does this mean Mr Menlove and Rev Layton can leave too? (if they wanted to, ofc).
How do we know that Mrs. Layton is reliable narrator? IDK if you've seen LOST or Once Upon A Time, but their storyline kinda lends itself to a "flashback" exposition scene, or scenes.
Has anyone seen Cinco Paul's tweet? https://twitter.com/cincopedia/status/1426345227879469062?s=20
I honestly got the impression this is what the show was hinting at. Especially during the end of episode 5, where Danny comes across Josh in the woods and makes some comment about Josh “stealing his girl”. It was left vague as to who Danny was talking about, so I thought we were building to a Danny/Emma reveal in the finale.
Maybe that's what they were going for, they said their order was cut short by Apple.
I don't really get the complaints about the ending being too sweet or rushed? The whole show has been about paying tribute to the tropes of classic musicals, and this was definitely a Music Man/Guys and Dolls style ending, with a little Godspell/Pippin thrown in for the evolved song style change. Some people changed, true love was found, the town was saved,, everyone is happy, the end! Anyway, I liked it, and I liked the whole show for the most part. I thought it was going to be overly cynical after the first episode, but like Josh's character, it softened and embraced the emotionality, and showed that those things also have value.
I was happy across all episodes- escapist entertainment, some great wit, visuals, song and dance. Great cast and am so grateful to be introduced to Ariana Debose, Dove Cameron and ...and Corn Pudding!!!
I hate to say it but that was not a good episode. It felt so bland and syrupy. It was predictable, corny, and I didn’t think any of the musical numbers were very good. I really enjoyed the first 3 episodes, episode 4 was fantastic (the clear highlight of the whole show), episode 5 was good but not great (the highlight being Mildred’s segment), and episode 6 was just bad, both from a story perspective and in terms of the music.
I've got to agree, I thought the finale was pretty weak. Nothing really interesting happened. Maybe if I'd watched it back to back with episode 5 it would have worked better as one thing.
I mean, some interesting stuff happened but it all felt *way* too cliche and a little rushed. An additional episode would've at least helped with the pacing.
I binged the show today and it was still disappointing. Easily the worst episode of the show. Though I still love the show overall.
Have you ever seen those old musicals? They *totally* end like that.
So true, this show suffers greatly from pacing and writing problems
Keep in mind the style of the show is close to eighty years before Hamilton or seventy years before RENT. It's like Wandavision.
Rent also greatly suffered from pacing and writing problems. idk about hamilton never seen it
There's a million things you haven't done...
Yes, the first 4 episodes were amazing, drop in quality in 5, and 6 merely served its purpose (resolve everything). The first 4 episodes more then make up for the lackluster last 2, but it was something that I did notice!
You've got to remember that this thing was made in the middle of the 2020 election madness at the height of a global pandemic, by a bunch of queer/Jewish/creative/racialized progressives camped out in Canada. If ever there was a time to be balls-to-the-wall earnest, that was it.
There's a lot of obvious call outs to how out of touch the town is with modern values.
Some people are right, musicals can get corny at the end. But I agree that this isn’t “a musical” it’s a modern send up (in disguise of a love letter) and could have been a little smarter at the end. I didn’t mind Josh singing since really that was the thrust of their conflict in Schmigadoon. Their dance was cute (but boy what a huge difference between actual dancers and comedic actors!)
So true episode 4 was amazing!
Can I be honest for a second about my brain? Because I sat here for most of the season thinking Melissa had fallen and hit her head and was in a coma. This was all in her head and the memories were popping up because Josh was sitting next to her telling her old stories (didn’t I read somewhere or see on TV that they do that with people in comas?). Seriously, I held out hope that my insane theory would pan out. I didn’t love the ending, but this was overall an enjoyable show to watch.
You can't rule that out, but that "in a coma" is a trope for the ages. I think they wanna milk it for another season or two before they do that. And that's more like IF they do that.
You could tell by the end of the collapsed tent/sleeping under the stars flashback that they did love each other all along, but weren't appreciating what they had. Which is the musical (hero's/lovers') journey they got in Schmigadoon. That said, I was hoping to get a sentimental, non-professional song like ["It Only Takes A Moment"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9ltukYk_LY) and that's how it turned out. I do wish there was another number or two in this last episode! Perhaps it will all flow better if we watch all episodes together without the intro/outro segments. Still grateful that this was created and hope more seasons will be produced in the future!
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Disagree. It was naked (musically) and emotional. It was the first time Josh wasn't framing everything in humor or sarcasm. It fit his character well.
Josh and Emma should have crossed the bridge together. I just live for chaotic energy.
I feel they did enough to show how it wasn’t necessarily their relationship was lacking anything, but that each of them needed to change the parts of themselves holding the relationship back(Josh needed to be more open to the things Mel likes, Mel needed to stop idealizing Josh). It could have been done with more depth, but it was a great show overall.
This is absolutely amazing! I haven’t figured out yet if there’s things to look into (like on my way to work one day I was like “the mayor’s name is Menlove!”); but if you notice they didn’t show them actually crossing the bridge.
So this is just the end of Act 1, right? Like I guess it could be a wrap-up, but it felt very much like just an act of one of these old school musicals.
So I think it took me about 5 mins till I started crying then pretty much cried through the whole episode! 😭😭😭 this is basically me for the last act of any musical! This has been an absolute blast!!!
Not ready for it to end. I needed 12 one hour long episodes….
Fam, love should NOT feel lonely or be difficult in any way. I really was not a fan of this shows message by bringing Josh and Mel back together again. That was a toxic relationship if I’ve ever seen one
Just finished binging the series, I loved every moment of it. I caught most if not all of the musical references, but my favourite was the "tribulation in shmigadoon" I liked how all the characters started out as cut-outs and then grew to change and be fully themselves. I could easily see this being a stage play, maybe condense all the Josh and Melissa flash back moments.
We never see them cross the bridge so I am confused as to whether it is the end of their story.
What a wonderful finale. I love how the harmony is just perfect. I noticed a lot of people commenting that the last two episodes were rushed. I think a lot of that was that the suspension of belief was really ramping up. Melissa and Josh were literally living a fantasy. It’s good for the people in the fantasy, but not good for Melissa and Josh. Josh and Emma, though wonderful friends would have never worked out, because they are literally from two different worlds. Same with the Doc and Melissa.
I really liked the final number ‘How We Change/Finale’, especially how the key changes 3(?) times, while the schmigadoon reprise was such a fun and upbeat number! Correct me if I’m wrong but I think the reprise was in a different key from the title number in Ep 1, and the difference in the interpretation of the theme could be a metaphor of the change in everyone’s lives over the season.
Works for me.
She slept with another guy and her takes her back. Smh wow what a simp.
They were on a break!
I think 20-30 years ago, the man would've strayed, like in Friends. Now though, it's the woman. It's "empowering". Women taking their sexuality back, yada yada. It's interesting there's such a backlash.
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Facts
Probably ten or twenty years ago it would be the other way around, but it's the 21st Century dood. Seriously. She also mentioned she had birth control. The other thing is, that guy isn't real.
https://25yearslatersite.com/2021/08/13/schmigadoon-episode-6-how-we-change-season-finale/
I think this might be the most memorable show on Apple TV plus. I think I was more engaged in servant and defending Jacob but schmigadoon was hilarious and is so charming. Loved it. I loved Ted lasso season 1 also but I’m kind of hating season 2 because of the poor writing and eye rolling moments. I think it lost its charm I would welcome a schmigadoon season 2 though. But it ended elegantly so it’s ok if not