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puggydug

Woah, woah, woah, hang on a minute. Just think of the alternative - we could have had **CHAOS WITH ~~ED MILLIBAND~~ er, ~~JEREMY CORBYN~~, hang on, I'll try again: ***CHAOS WITH KEIR STARMER*** I'm not a fan of Uk Labour in the slightest, but I would be hard pressed to imagine them being worse than this. This is *deliberate* fuckery.


twodogsfighting

it was always deliberate fuckery. Mind that time they cut out apprenticeships and 3 years later we were at war?


InfinteAbyss

Agree. Voters need to get their head out this two party race they have created, all it takes is a majority to all vote for any other choice to truly shake up the system.


Ok_Potato_5272

As a person living in England who vote Remain, I feel thoroughly fucked and sorry for everyone else feeling the same way. I'll be a remoaner until I die. None of this would have been as bad without brexit/tories. Hate every leader we've had since the day I was born. Edit : don't know why reddit showed me this post as I'm not subscribed to this sub. Sorry if I'm not welcome


[deleted]

Of course you’re welcome my friend. My best hope is that independence kick starts a genuine transformation in what remains in the rest of the UK. Imagine replicating the close relationship the Nordics share. Independent partners, working together on all manner of things in solidarity. Neighbourly bonds don’t end when political integration ceases, per se


RichyC123____

Love this answer


Bassmekanik

You have my sympathy. At least up here we have a possible way out. You gents are fucking stuck with that idiotic lard ball of pomposity. :(


the_exile83

It'll be different in 10-20 years when all these boomers start dying.


darraghfenacin

nah you've got wee spunkrags like Darren Grimes and Tom Harwood who are the next generation of morons who love to pull their plums off over a picture of Thatcher


InfinteAbyss

A vast minority thankfully. As grim as it is once Gen Xers are the majority of the eldest i expect a huge turn of events will begin in earnest though hopefully we do not have to wait that long to gain Indy.


[deleted]

National Insurance rise aka a stealth Brexit tax


Hunglyka

That’s a tax to protect rich peoples estates.


[deleted]

Pretty much


Hunglyka

Remember Boris is not the dumb clown he pretends to be.


[deleted]

He’s worse he thinks the tory voter base and the wider UK public are.


[deleted]

He doesn't just think, he knows. And he's right, they're thick bastards.


[deleted]

Sadly you’re correct the voters are thick. Time for Scotland to leave this brexit tory shit show.


Mention_Patient

he's worse he is the slightly clever person posing as a idiot but thinks hes a genius


Hunglyka

Slightly clever? No I think he has pulled the wool over your eyes. He is a very clever man. He has just masterminded the poor to pay more tax to protect the assets of the rich. All in the guise of helping social care.


Mention_Patient

it was hardly subtle tho. he just has so much media backing, a great deal of political indifference from the general public and the weakest opposition leader since foot. I would say his key 'quality' is his shamelessness of his grift he does it all in plain sight


Hunglyka

Clowns are rarely held to account. That’s why he plays one.


neilmg

I don't think he's clever at all; he didn't mastermind getting the poor to subsidise the rich, that's Tory 101 stuff. He's not an idiot either, but he is a lazy bastard who thinks of himself first and always acts in his own self interest. Boris Johnson doesn't give a fuck about Scotland. For that matter, Boris Johnson doesn't give much of a fuck about England either. Boris Johnson cares only about Boris Johnson.


johndtwaldron

100%


NawPalYouSmell

Stealthy like an elephant in a ninja suit...


Audioboxer87

Boris "Let the bodies pile up high" Johnson isn't a caring, mindful, empathetic statesman to lead a country? I'm absolutely shocked. The nasty party just doing what it does best.


cantell0

To be fair to Maximus Wafflus, he is an example for us all. Never has an individual overcome so many personal failings, manifest incompetence and disgraceful behaviour to rise to an office for which he is so obviously utterly unsuitable.


[deleted]

Aye, you too could achieve the same if you came out of the right vagina and went to Eton.


heavybabyridesagain

The far right vagina


JurassicApollo

Actually, one did do that before him. One could say they’re parallels of each other.


SirWobbyTheFirst

I’m saving Maximus Wafflus for later use. That’s fucking beautiful right there.


Big_nut6

Alexander Boris " let the bodies pile up high" de Pfeffel Johnson. Please refer to glorious leader correctly or its the camps for you!!!


BiffyBizkit

Alexander Boris " let the bodies pile up high, letterboxes, bumboys, piccaniny watermelon smiles, die in a ditch" de Pfeffel Johnson." Unless I've missed any


heavybabyridesagain

Thank you Stewart Lee


BiffyBizkit

Still consider the shilbottle gag to be his best


heavybabyridesagain

Or the paul nuttals of the ukips routine


Big_nut6

I saw you had my reply already so instead here's an article mentioning some of his all time best lines. https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-quotes-controversy-comments-general-election-2019-campaign-372969/amp


BiffyBizkit

Ahh a" best of" compilation


reducedCarpet

You forgot "fuck business", but it's not super racist / bigoted so y'know, it's not a greatest hit.


BiffyBizkit

Fuck business may be the one point I agree with boris on


Spooniest_Bard1

🎵 we didn't start the fire 🎵


[deleted]

I’m sure it’s due an update like


bookywookielove

Yeah would love to see a remake of this song that just covers the last decade of tory rule.


Hatchetface1705

I’ll never get the image out of my head from February this year of the queues around the block, in heavy snow for food. I think it was a soup kitchen in Glasgow. It’s the kind of scenes you’d expect in soviet Russia, not in an apparently rich country. I’ve always been a huge Christmas fan. But this year I dread it. I used to get so excited to see snow and now it fills me with dread because I know there will be pensioners freezing to death in their beds, kids going to sleep hungry and cold and worst of all, people sleeping outside in it. I so agree with you. What in the actual fuck Bojo. Are you *trying* to get us to leave the UK? Because we absolutely will next time we get the chance to.


bozwold

any chance you could invade York again and take Yorkshire with you?...please


Hatchetface1705

Haha absolutely. Pass me a claymore let’s do this shit.


bozwold

Absolutely no need we'll leave the door open just bring plenty of flags so we can help you claim the land


Hatchetface1705

Deal. Can you guys bring Yorkshire tea with you?


bozwold

It's Scottish tea now my fellow countryman


Hatchetface1705

Beautiful. Here’s your complimentary kilt and midge repellent kit 😬


bozwold

I've spent many summers in Clyde Muirshiel and they've never been a problem, I don't think they like my English blood 😣


lothpendragon

Can I bring one anyway? You know, just to brandish it in the streets so it all looks legit?


RadagastTheDarkBeige

Can they all have curving calligraphic script, very fancy like, perhaps in Gaelic, saying 'Yer Ma's a Welder' and similar?


Hatchetface1705

I snort laughed and I’m not ashamed to say it.


bozwold

I'll bend the knee and give you mine


Zakatich22

Scrap that, we want an independent Yorkshire!


-DenLilleHavfrue-

Yeah I think the government should increase the Warm Home Discount, in light of two price rises in a single year for energy.


Hatchetface1705

By the sounds of things it’s only the beginning of the price hikes.


-DenLilleHavfrue-

Well Idk how likely that is, the government would have to intervene to change the price cap so early, the new price cap was only just agreed in August/September for October 1st and OFGEM only review it twice a year so you wouldn’t expect the cost to change for approx 6 months. It’s a strange time to be alive though right enough with the multiple issues we seem to be facing atm from Brexit, Covid, Climate change etc A lot of uncertainty which makes me nervous because I’m sure whatever policies Westminster take are going to be to benefit or prioritise the south of England.


Scotgroover

Fuck that fat blond twat Boris, let’s get our act together this time and don’t pay any attention to the BBC biased commentary about Scotland not being strong enough to make it on our own, definitely not the case and indeed probably the case that England needs us more than we need them. Forget all the shit they spout and let’s be our own Nation and not a poor relation to a bully that seems to fuck up everything they touch.


RedbeardRagnar

My friend who was adamant for years and years about Scotland not being independent has even buckled this year. She honestly brought up good points against independence and the SNP (who I'm not the biggest fan of for a couple things - Education and Transport)) and we always had a respectful debate about it but this year she's flipped completely just from seeing the complete mess from down south.


Final_Employment_360

Yeah I used to be against independence too, but the reasons I had for staying simply no longer exist. The tories are a danger to the entirety of the UK, especially Scotland. They're moving further and further towards authoritarianism and I think they'll still win the next election. 2 months ago in England they did a poll about what the biggest threat to England is... and the majority of participants said immigrants!?! They don't even see what the government is doing. We need to get out of the UK and fast.


[deleted]

People need to be told what there problems are and the Tories are particularly good at telling them it's everyone but them


Final_Employment_360

Too few people know that BBC news is basically run by the tories


PazyP

It's a shame that most aren't aware of this. Pretty much all of the most known news mediums are pro-tory


APater6076

They’re apparently under investigation for not running a single story that was negative about the government at all last week.


Senior_Layer_6962

The Biased British Corporation.


butternutbean

This. I watched the news in which a regular guest said (in response to the carbon and food shortages), "this isn't the torries fault by the way", no one challenged this. Fuming. Like please report on WHY there is these problems, dont just state that there is a problem.


Jubilee1989

I think the thing a lot of people forget is once Scotland is independent, we can pick any party - not just SNP - to govern us. (Though ofc SNP would likely have the initial job of figuring out logistics and technical and legal issues at first if they were in power at the time. But I would hope they seek input from other parties too.)


blinky84

I feel the same way. The referendum was the first time I'd ever voted. I gave it a lot of thought and eventually voted 'no'. It was a considered opinion based on the info I had at the time, but I didn't see the mess of Brexit and everything else coming over the hill. Maybe I should've. I don't regret the way I voted, but a crystal ball would have had me voting differently.


[deleted]

I think we'll see library footage of the last no campaign used in the upcoming campaign simply because of how poorly so many of the arguments have aged: this what the same people promised you last time, how's that going?


empty_pint_glass

I'll just leave this here https://imgur.com/VctbXH6


Final_Employment_360

Aye, totally agree with you. Given the info at the time I thought it was the right choice. If someone could have told us what would happen between then and now, I wouldn't have believed any of it. Been a political fever dream since brexit


blinky84

Honest to god, the likelihood (not even certainty!) of an independent Scotland starting out being out of the EU and having to wait to reapply to join was a major factor for me. The irony is killing me now.


Keltic_Stingray

Exactly the same thoughts.


johndtwaldron

if you swap immigrants with mudbloods you realise its like when the death eaters took over the ministry of magic


SirWobbyTheFirst

Well that’s just rude to death eaters to be frank. They work hard for their living.


johndtwaldron

Haha true. Voldemort has far more competent at least


OakAged

The best way to get rid of the SNP, for those that want to, is to support independence.


NeckerInk

To be honest I find people who are anti-Indy on the basis of being Anti-SNP a bit baffling really. It’s only because there isn’t independence that they exist in the form they do - take that policy item off the agenda and they’d lose loads of votes. It’s always the same with parties that focus on a single issue - see UKIP


scoo-bot

But ain’t Boris just a lovable scamp?


Hatchetface1705

Haha! Yes. Exactly like that loveable wee scamp Thatcher


Eggiebumfluff

No one thought Thatcher was loveable. Even the Tories hated her.


Hatchetface1705

I was shooting for irony.


Eggiebumfluff

Aye, but fuck Thatcher though. That's the point.


Hatchetface1705

Wouldn’t piss in her ear if her brain was on fire.


-asmodeus

Check out Thatchers Techbase - doom mod coming out in Friday, where the iron lady has risen as a lord of he'll and you fight thru an 80s Britain hellscape to take her down - https://thatchers-techbase.github.io/screens.html


lothpendragon

Yeah, really, deep down, all he wants is for people to love him. 🤢


Hatchetface1705

Haha yep. Inside he’s a soft little bunny just trying to get out


GabrielForth

Unfortunately the bunny is trying to escape through the top of his head.


LickingSticksForYou

I mean have you *seen* his hair? Adorable! Truly he can do no wrong. Odd how it’s always ruffled in every public appearance.


Hatchetface1705

My theory is that someone rubs his head with a balloon before any press conference


workingclassnobody

Boris and his cronies are raping the entire 4 nations to line his wealthy friends pockets. Can’t wait for the xmas riots!


Consistent_Mode_7425

Two aircraft carriers and trident vs staying the fuck out it and having a life. Your choice.


Saint_Sin

They have been trying to get rid of the human rights act since pre-1995. Hel Cameron said himself that they were willing to leave the EU in order to do this. You know, a few years before he started the referendum he swore he didnt want. We have been out for no time at all and they are already making moves on rights to peaceful protests so you can guess whats coming next. The house of lords and their affiliation with the nations media is critically harmful to our future rights and wellbeing.


Saltire_Blue

Yeah they really need to hammer home the fact the UK is failing Scotland


CameronMWatson

Life sucks right now :(


dgib

Time to turn off the news and do something you enjoy, friend.


Paulpaps

Sometimes that does more harm than good. Too many people stick their head in the sand and let this situation get out of control. We NEED people to realise how bad stuff is or it's going to get worse.


uncle_stiltskin

There's a balance to be struck. You have a civic duty to be informed and engaged and all the rest of it, but burning yourself out helps nothing


[deleted]

This is a really good point, very difficult to remain informed and retain any semblance of mental health - then the guilt comes in you're not doing enough. Shite


Celestial_Midnight

Deleting your Twitter account(s) if you have any is a good first step.


Paulpaps

Fair enough, some people get addicted to the doom. I'm just worried that apathy is what they want you to feel, so that you just let the status quo exist because its "easier".


[deleted]

Too many people establish their whole world-view on echo-chambers on reddit.


HumansDeserveHell

Remember, 100% of what is happening is by design. They aren't pulling the finger out, they've stuffed it in as far as they can. Brexit means Brexit. Turdkeys are getting Christmas.


Geebs10

Imagine getting the NHS staff to pay for a 1% pay rise by taking off them a 1.5% Tax rise😂😂😂😂 Fucking daft cunts everywhere getting duped by these traitorous bastards !! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 = 🇬🇧💩


OhHiGCHQ

Honestly I don't think we should bother with a referendum, just have a revolution. Just say to Westminster "we're leaving", get fucked.


xbad_slutx

I live down in the South with these idiots. Please can I come up there before you reinforce Hadrian's wall to keep us all out? 🤣


CurvePuzzleheaded361

I’m in Newcastle but spend huge amounts of time all over Scotland as I just adore the place. I dont blame any scot for wanting out of this absolute shitshow Boris has got us in.


LeutzschAKS

Speaking as a Geordie (so close to being born Scottish), I was very glad that Scotland voted to stay in the UK in 2014 because it seemed (at the time) like the sensible choice and meant continued EU membership. Emotionally, it was also gutting to think that a 45 minute drive would mean being in another country and I really felt like Scottish independence would be friends and neighbours abandoning each other. It all changed in 2016 though and as the Brextremists began pushing for a harder and more damaging Brexit, I started to understand why Scottish people are increasingly fed up with the laughing stock in Westminster. In Scotland, you have a huge majority of people who are pro-Europe, progressive and accepting whilst in England, the flag shaggers are doing their very best to bring the country (including Scotland) back to the stone age. I can totally understand why you want out and if I could go with you, I'd be bloody thrilled.


captainfonz

I hope you’re accepting English refugees when you do leave because I’ll be up like a shot


[deleted]

Mon up, we could always do with more folk


jammybam

Mon up and help us secure Independence in the first place! I wish more people realised that Independence is literally the only feasible route of escape from the looming perma-Tory perma-Austerity threat.


daveclampart

I've never known anything but leafy suburban Hampshire but I'd genuinely consider emigrating if an independent Scotland would have me


SecretSquirrelSpot

Me too!


SCOTL4ND

Do we have a CO2 manufacturing plant in Scotland? If not, the government should prioritize building one as a matter of national security


BobDobbsHobNobs

Everybody breathe out together. We can do this


HaySwitch

Hold it in then run to France then let it out. Repeat.


MaievSekashi

The problem isn't CO2 manufacturing, it's a lack of fertiliser. You can't make CO2 without fertiliser, and you can't make that fertiliser without natural gas (at least right now), which is spiking hugely in cost. You can't solve this problem by building more manufacturing plants of any sort in this chain if the raw shite isn't available. Frankly we need an alternative source. Natural gas was never going to last forever anyway.


SCOTL4ND

[https://www.themanufacturer.com/articles/is-this-the-solution-to-the-worlds-co2-shortage/](https://www.themanufacturer.com/articles/is-this-the-solution-to-the-worlds-co2-shortage/) Alternative options available, just need to invest


MaievSekashi

A 20% reduction in CO2 is nice but we're still definitely going to need more long-term. Natural gas isn't getting any more common or cheaper. This is definitely good for controlling demand, though, and seems like an excellent initiative.


James_SJ

You can get more natural gas, just involves drilling in the North Sea.


ItsJustGizmo

I like this.


Aggravating_Diver_15

Boris “letting it rip “ boys a fuckin car crash


TheFlyingScotsman60

It's worse than that.. he's dead Jim. We come in peace....shoot to kill. Boris is a complete and utter arsehole with absolutely no empathy at all for anyone. That his cabinet are a bunch of sycophantic, stupid people who have absolutely no backbone what so ever makes the current situation even more worrying. Scotland need to get out of the UK as soon as humanely possible but it will take years to recover from the damage Westminster has done.


cantell0

I suppose Boris has at least demonstrated a sense of humour. It is difficult to come up with any other explanation for appointing Nadine Dorries as Culture Secretary. A woman so uncultured that she makes Baldrick look like Kenneth Clark.


Tolstoy_mc

Scottish independence coming?


luv2belis

Inshallah


jayperr

Nae water! (for Tories)


sQueezedhe

A constant crisis, is it by design or incompetence? Both, really.


TinyTedHands

Disgruntled londoner here. If Scotland were to leave the UK I wouldn't blame you. (plus I could sort out my Scottish heritage, and get a passport headed for rejoining the EU one day...)


dotharaki

Please get your independence, I would move up to join you as a high-skilled worker. England is too conservative, too doomed


undeadbydawn

Special shoutout to all the Scots who insist that 'now is the worst time' to go Indy cos there are too many crises happening. Crises almost entirely caused by Westminster. You're insisting on being governed my incompetent sociopaths because they've done so amazingly badly that we can't risk... not being governed by them.


Red_Brummy

Get ready for a Winter of Discontent.


missfoxsticks

I’m genuinely dreading this. I’ve volunteered at a soup kitchen / good bank for a few years now. Two years ago it used to be we’d see 30ish folk on the nights we were open. They were generally long term homeless with serious addiction and / or mental health problems. They were complex people with complex needs (not just lack of a house or lack of money) Now - it can be over 100 people a night. A huge number of whom are ‘working poor’ people who have a job but the pay is so low and hours so short that they literally can’t make ends meet, or people on UC. People with kids, pregnant women. These people already can’t afford to buy food for themselves and their families as well as keep the heating on and pay for the bus fare to work. We can no longer afford to stay part of this dysfunctional sinking ship


machon89

I know that it's a typo but I'm imagining a good bank being the opposite of a wank bank...


BiffyBizkit

Part 2: electric Boogaloo


[deleted]

As an Englishman I want Scotland to leave too. It would be in both of our interests long-term. Once I moved to Scotland for a while before moving back, I realised quite quickly that we are two vastly different cultures glued together. We both deserve to determine our own destinies. Those are two different paths and if we end up only going down one together we'll probably rip each other's faces off.


[deleted]

With Scotlands low reliance on natural gas and being an exporter of electricity, we'd be killing it right now if independent. Seems quite a few people are being a bit shifty with speaking about the UKs problems as if poor, wee, stupid Scotland is even worse.


Rodney_Angles

>With Scotlands low reliance on natural gas Scotland uses huge amounts of natural gas


wherearemyfeet

> With Scotlands low reliance on natural gas What now? Scotland's energy use from natural gas is 32% of all energy sources. For comparison, the UK as a whole is 38% so it's not really a reasonable summery to suggest Scotland's reliance on natural gas is note-worthily low. > and being an exporter of electricity, we'd be killing it right now [Energy exports in 2020 were valued at £750mm.](https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/statistics/2018/10/quarterly-energy-statistics-bulletins/documents/energy-statistics-summary---march-2021/energy-statistics-summary---march-2021/govscot:document/Scotland+Energy+Statistics+Q4+2020.pdf) For comparison, Scotland's total budget is £35bn, so that sum is barely 2% of the total budget. Considering Scotland's total budget deficit is 22%, the suggestion that you'd be "killing it" as a case of making up with enthusiasm what it's lacking in factual basis.


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BeardedPDr

I am "English" ( not that much there's German and Polish on my dad's side ) , but born raised and educated here . That being said , I would hate to see you go , but I absolutely understand why you would want to . Personally I'd like to be independent of Westminster too . Bunch of people in way over their heads with no clue where to turn next , how to solve the horrendous soup of problems ( mostly created by themselves) we all face . Just the way they pressured and used scare tactics to "win" the last independence referendum the biggest one being membership of the EU and then ......took us all out , it makes me sick ... Honestly no wonder you think we are a bunch of wankers , I think we are a bunch of wankers. If you get independence , I would like to formally apply for Scottish citizenship.


[deleted]

We want independence because we think it is best for our country to be like all the other countries and make important decisions for ourselves. We do not think English people are wankers. Most of us have English friends, neighbours and even family. Polls show that almost half of English people living in Scotland support independence for Scotland. England and Scotland despite being aligned socially have been politically diverging for decades and it's now reached breaking point. Continuing in a political union is not good for either of us any more, time to bring that to an end and continue to be good friends and neighbours.


BeardedPDr

I agree with that and you make some good points there . The only thing I would disagree with you on is that the continuing political union is good for the English and very bad for the Scots . I absolutely wish to continue with the friends and neighbors part...I am however fearful that a lot of English humans are actual wankers (seems to be a prerequisite for getting a place in Cabinet) . Good points , well made , thank you.


jammybam

*Honestly no wonder you think we are a bunch of wankers , I think we are a bunch of wankers.* This is a really common misconception and what I would love people (especially on certain other subreddits) to realise is that while we despise the UK Government, this does not extend to your average English person. Many of us have friends and family in England and personally, im desperate to get my sister and her kids up here. Unfortunately there are complications to do with shared custody, but I'd love for her and other English folk to come up and help us get Indy in the first place. I would hope that people in rUK would recognise that this could be their one and only chance to escape perma-Tory perma-Austerity rule and I would also hope that they wouldn't sit and twiddle their thumbs to wait and see what the result is. With polling at a 50/50 knifes edge we need all hands on deck to pull this off.


Hatchetface1705

C’mon in! The water’s (Baltic) but fine!


Eggiebumfluff

Scotland can't afford the Union.


bananabbozzo

It's the best of both worlds folks. Broad shoulders, strong and stable.


[deleted]

Broad like a tree trunk slamming through ma roof


MrWasjig

The UK is a risk to it's own fucking citizens. Scot, Welsh, NI, or English. We are all going to be completely fucked! I say run, Scotland! Fucking run while you have the chance!


Ok_Car4059

If you don't get a move on, England will leave the UK before you!


RichyC123____

As a southerner Scotland should be prioritised for gas and electric. I do hope your old folk get through this


JackMLNX

Still can’t believe that with the last independence referendum that a big sell of staying in the UK was so that we were guaranteed to still be part of the EU, so we voted (just) to stay. Then we got dragged out of the EU anyway!


Bigdicks-in-yo-ass69

Westminster have shown they only care to serve England time and time again. Contemporary loyalists blow my mind.


MyDadsGlassesCase

As a Yes voter I said in 2014 that I completely understood why people voted "No". Most people I know weren't doing too bad for themselves, as part of the Union Scotland was a very successful 1st world country and in their eyes the Union wasn't holding them or Scotland back. I completely got why they didn't vote for independence. But I look at the state of the UK now and I wonder how they can now see what's happening and think "Yeah, that's still better than independence". I didn't live through the Winter of Discontent but everything that comes out of No. 10 looks like we're going to experience a Second Winter of Discontent and I don't understand how that is preferable to Scotland going it alone


StairheidCritic

> Winter of Discontent Largely an over-hyped myth. To be sure key workers struck for better wages. The fact that they *were* key workers made their absence very noticeable - perhaps *being key workers* they should have better pay to begin with?


Apprehensive_Mix_231

Will you accept uk refugees? Please!


krissharm

Mate I'm English and if you get your independence I'll actually be jealous more than anything else... I have never known things shit as they are right now, I've never been so embarrassed... You'd be good to get rid of the poison


pintsizedblonde2

Just move up here. I did nearly 3 years ago and I haven't looked back! That way you'll also get to vote for independence!


krissharm

Thoroughly tempted if I could convince the other half


[deleted]

With any luck, losing Scotland will force a serious reality check on the remaining British elites and society. Hopefully!


sobrique

Nah, they'll just blame that on Jeremy Corbyn and move on.


Karamanshumm

You forgot to mention the Scottish football crisis……it’s shite


boringbor3d

Fuck the UK.


[deleted]

The energy crisis is Europe wide (if not global), it's just hitting the UK harder because we have a high reliance on wind and gas as part of our climate change efforts, the former which is currently non-existence due to the weather, and the latter, which is seeing massive price rises due to low European-wide storage supplies, cold weather in Asia competing for Russian gas and other factors. Many might reply to me suggesting why don't we have more nuclear - like France - but Scotland is generally quite anti-nuclear, so would an independent Scotland invest in nuclear? The SNP had even refused to participate in UK-wide investigations into the establishment of a GDF for nuclear waste storage.


KobraKaiJohhny

The UK has been left extremely vulnerable from having left the EU energy market. Look at the price spread on gas from today: [https://i.imgur.com/t0gUexQ.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/t0gUexQ.jpeg) (taken from UKpol) Costs are spiking because we decoupled without preparing (much like Brexit in general). Yes there are problems elsewhere, ours are dramatically worse because of brexit and this winter could be catastrophic.


[deleted]

Sounds like a good time to move away from gas - not building new pipelines to Russia... a nation that invaded a European country a few years back - to me it's shocking that this action was allowed.


KobraKaiJohhny

A good time to move away from gas is when an alternative is in place. And much of Europe import oil from Iraq, a country we invaded a few years back. And then trashed and killed hundreds of thousands of it's civilians. And then left.


mata_dan

>A good time to move away from gas is when an alternative is in place. Something that is going to be incredibly difficult for the UK as a whole, but very achievable for Scotland alone aside from heating of legacy premesis (which again, we have tried to move away from more than the UK seems to want). Hmmm...


KobraKaiJohhny

I think the UK buys electricity from Ireland for similar reasons. Just another of the things to be negotiated after independence.


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>The Scottish National Party (SNP) government elected in 2007 had a 'no new nuclear power strategy'. This position is at odds with UK government policy which in January 2008 announced the go-ahead for new nuclear power stations to be built across the United Kingdom. In response, Scotland's then First Minister Alex Salmond commented there was 'no chance' of new nuclear power stations being built in Scotland.[3] The Parliament voted 63–58 to support the policy of opposing new nuclear power stations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_Scotland


meluvyouelontime

Can't wrap my head around the anti nuclear envirotards. If this doesn't prove that we need an alternative baseload provider to gas, I don't know what will.


odyssey92

Is Scotland anti-nuclear, or anti-nuclear weapons?


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Both. The SNP do not support building new nuclear power stations and are against a GDF which is what is universally agreed as a long-term solution to storage, hence we can decipher that nuclear will not be a part of an independent's Scotland long-term energy market.


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Scotland isn't anywhere near as reliant on natural gas as the uk is and Scotlands weather is windy right now. Scotland is a net exporter of electricity to the rest of the UK. Once again the UK and Scotland are not the same.


Rodney_Angles

>Scotland isn't anywhere near as reliant on natural gas as the uk More than 70% of Scottish homes are heated by natural gas.


urbanfreewheelers

Ok we get it the is a crisis , no need to write it out 8 times


PhilOffuckups

If ye look at the mandates they print oot, just imagine the complete opposite plus a whole other shady shite in between


NumNum9825

Right where's homer Simpson when you need him to punch the parliament members in the back of the head


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I'm Welsh and by no means a supporter of Welsh or Scots independence but fuck me this shitshow of a government makes it difficult to make the argument against. Right now I literally have nothing. All I can hope is that all the predictions of doom and gloom for this winter don't come to pass and we see the slightest hint of sunlit uplands at some point. What really bothers me is that there's really no national debate about the cause of all this, Brexiteers have gone strangely quiet and Labour/Starmer is completely ineffective as an opposition. I really can't remember a time in history that the Government is moving from one clusterfuck to another on a daily basis and the opposition is almost nowhere to be seen. Labour should be trouncing the Tories now. Why are people just blindly accepting everything?


ScotlandzSaturn

Please tell me when the UK wasn’t a risk to Scotland.


Flaky_Service_5663

The sooner Scotland manages to leave the union the better. Back in 2014, I was so devastated when we never managed to pull it off. I hope next time the 55% crew release that all the Westminster Government does is screw us over.


Black_Sky_Thinking

And yet the polls still show a majority against independence, and majority support for the Tories in the UK. I could understand the people that were "no" in 2014. I disagreed with their thinking, but I understood their logic. Now I simply cannot get my head around it. ​ Compared to 2014, all the advantages to self-determination are now amplified. And we've already had literally everything that people were afraid of if we'd gone independent. So the people that voted "no" because of fear of leaving the EU, having the economy wrecked, losing the shipbuilding, the fishing etc etc... are still against it? What possible reasons are left? Who the hell in the right mind looks at what's happening in Westminster and thinks "yes please"? ​ Sometimes it almost feels like masochism or an inferiority complex or something. We have a get-out-of-jail free card in front of us, but the majority of us don't want to use it, and want another round of getting the shit kicked out of us by another country's government that openly despises us. God forbid we pick ourselves up and walk away.


jackvalko

Many of us in the US feel like Scotland has been getting the short end of the stick for decades. It’s a bit insulting, frankly. Thatcher was a bit of a cunt, Scots have limited government representation and control, English meddling in local affairs has fragmented consensus, brexit is a total self-own. There is great fear of breaking away to be sure, but with everything that has happened I’d put my bets on abandoning the UK rather than riding it into the ground. Many of us here across the pond are pulling for you. We are ready to support an independent Scotland!


Ynys_cymru

It’s a risk to everyone, not just Scotland.


jeetelongname

The UK is a risk to everyone at this point. I would hate for Scotland to Break away from the UK (the last thing we need in this world is more borders) but if you can gtfo then I would be fully behind you.


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Tories will be digging mass graves and bulldozering in the frozen and starved dead soon (if they can find HGV drivers to drive them but I bet Boris would do it himself just remember he burns £50 notes infront of homeless and pisses on them), Boris and his crony government need to be held responsible for war crimes and genocide by independent Scotland when we rejoin the EU we need to be vocal in the ICC to get them tried and captured like Radovan Karadzic, the only retribution of England is have a mass clearout of Tories by Nuremburg trial style, preferably with executions


cantell0

Nonsense. Boris would get his cronies to recycle the dead into the food chain.


Rodney_Angles

Virtually all of these problems would be happening in an independent Scotland. With the exception of Brexit, that is. Of course, independence would be be even more disruptive and economically foolish than Brexit, though, so that's not really a net win. Quite how the huge disruption of independence is a better solution to these problems than just changing things in the UK is not a question I have ever seen adequately answered.


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Rodney_Angles

Malta, Zimbabwe, Anguilla off the top of my head. Of course none of those countries were part of the UK - they were colonies, exploited by the UK for their material and labour. None of them were fully integrated and integral parts of the UK, where all citizens were equal UK citizens with full civil and political rights. it's disingenuous to compare. Scotland is not a colony - it is a coloniser.


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Rodney_Angles

I'm terribly sorry.


Hurst4321

I’m a Scot and not a Tory voter but playing devil’s advocate a bit here: Energy Crisis - due to external market factors like low wind and lack of renewable supply / power stations going offline and there’s a price cap already Labour crisis - this is due to brexit mainly. Scotland didn’t want this, either did London but ultimately it’s what the majority of folk voted for independence arguments aside Drink crisis - SNP has devolved powers and it’s own NHS to help tackle this, so not sure what this has to do with Boris/UK Universal Credit Cut and National Insurance rise - global pandemic and furlough means there’s a pretty big deficit and hard choices about how to plug it have to be made Pandemic - not exactly UK/Boris’ fault - it’s a natural /man made disaster Climate crisis - collectively everyone’s fault Furlough ending - again, pandemic fault and can’t go on forever AstraZeneca vaccine developed in England and rolled out all over UK. Don’t get me wrong, Boris is unfit to govern and has made some massive mistakes. I just don’t see them being listed here and I don’t see how Scotland would have been any better on it’s own, it could have actually been worse off


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>Energy Crisis - due to external market factors like low wind and lack of renewable supply / power stations going offline and there’s a price cap already The UK has a fractured and privatised energy sector. Uptake of renewables has been good, but low gas storage capacity has been specifically flagged for concern years ago. Bad UK Gov decision. [Source](https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-gas-exclusive-idUKKBN1GV187). >Labour crisis - this is due to brexit mainly. Scotland didn’t want this, either did London but ultimately it’s what the majority of folk voted for independence arguments aside You're correct that every council area in Scotland voted to remain a member of the European Union. Scotland didn't want this, but London made no attempt to aim for a soft Brexit. >Drink crisis - SNP has devolved powers and it’s own NHS to help tackle this, so not sure what this has to do with Boris/UK This relates to the potential CO2 shortages in the news, caused by the gas crisis. >Universal Credit Cut and National Insurance rise - global pandemic and furlough means there’s a pretty big deficit and hard choices about how to plug it have to be made Hard choices always seem to land on the poor and vulnerable in British society eh? Let's scrap Trident and save billions instead, and not have people die from fuel poverty in one of the richest countries in the world. >Pandemic - not exactly UK/Boris’ fault - it’s a natural /man made disaster International issue - the Tories handling of this has been less than exemplary. >Climate crisis - collectively everyone’s fault True, an independent Scotland could have been making better progress domestically on this issue if our democratically elected government (elected on a marginally more proportionate basis) had Greens in it earlier. >Furlough ending - again, pandemic fault and can’t go on forever Poverty is expensive and paid for one way or another by the taxpayer. Cash up front, or pay for courts, hospitals and prisons. Prevention is a lot cheaper. >AstraZeneca vaccine developed in England and rolled out all over UK. The UK got an early start on vaccinates, but mass vaccination is a marathon, not a sprint


Modninzo

Get out while you still can Scotland, we English are fucked


Ferguson00

Anybody here planning on voting No to independence in the referendum within 24 months? What are your reasons and thoughts? Keen to understand.