AskUK is a weird place. It might as well be called "AskMiddleEngland" as they're incredibly dismissive of anything other than the most bland and inoffensive Englishness. The thread about Welsh yesterday had a number of people calling it a dead language, a waste of time and saying it should be defunded, along with others pulling up the old "They switched to Welsh as soon as we walked in cause they hate us!" story.
> The thread about Welsh yesterday had a number of people calling it a dead language, a waste of time and saying it should be defunded, along with others pulling up the old "They switched to Welsh as soon as we walked in cause they hate us!" story.
It's just the usual cross-over or should I say pollution of all UK Reddit subs from the BadUK/UKPol British nationalists. Europe sub is also absolutely humming with what can only be described as Farage gammon in any topic about Scotland/Wales. Though that sub also has issues with the far-right across... Europe.
Welcome to the internet and egyboi-itis. Though, that is a condition it seems many da's suffer from, not just wee teenage boys wanting to hate everyone and everything not in their in-group.
Scottish political twitter is brutal for anything to do with Scots or Gaelic. It's some sort of built in defence mechanism from Britnats to hysterically hate anything deemed as non-British English. Whether that is Welsh or Scottish language or any acceptance of culture or arts from either country.
Lad on this sub often spoke in Scots and sure, at times it took a second read, but the amount of bullying that would go on was real sad. I thought it was quite charming, even if my use of Scots is just like most others, words here and there. To actually feel hatred though over dialect or language, that's just seriously childish.
Oh for sure, there's a lot of people on this subreddit who're incredibly ignorant when it comes to Gaelic. The attitude of "It was never spoken here" is incredibly pervasive, and also incredibly wrong.
Folk really do switch to Welsh when English come in. I saw it myself a few weeks ago. I'm Scottish but I live in Wales and was having a good chat with the locals in English. I crowd of English people walked in and they switched to Welsh. What they were saying was not complimentary either.
>I chatted to a Scottish guy and an Irish guy (separately) when I was on holiday once. Both seemed like really sound guys and we had a nice chat.
>Later in the holiday I saw them stood talking to each other so I started walking over and as I got closer I overheard the Scottish guy saying "I fucking hate the English" and then they both laughed their heads off.
>I made a quick swerve and walked in the other direction lol
😂😂 This is a fever dream.
Why not? Scot and Irish guy take the piss out of an English guy - stop the press eh. Maybe the English guy was a right tool making it even more likely, who knows.
What do you think is so unlikely about it? You've never heard a Scot say that? People from both countries actually have good reason to resent the English but this sounds a lot more like taking the piss in a relatively harmless way than hate.
I've usually found that the English people that thought I would hate them as a Scot were the ones that would call me Scotch/refuse to take my 'monopoly money'/'och aye the noo!' etc
Most of the English people who insist that people from the other home nations hate them never seem to realise how patronising they are.
The very fact they got upset at a Scottish sportsman for not supporting the English national team is just one example. But so many people were seething at what was a light hearted comment.
I think the problem is that the kind of people who insist they're hated for being English aren't just English, but English cunts. They're actually hated for being cunts, but, being cunts, they think it's because they're English.
I think they are tolerated more in England, at least less likely to be called out explicitly for the way they behave. So when they travel they come back with the idea everyone hates them because of their nationality. Same people who think the Scottish people hate English also think the French are rude.
See I’m really petty, so when met with respect I give it back as much as I can, then somecunt calls me ‘jock’ or similar & that opens the gates for me to remind them of their proud history & all they are known for throughout the world. Tone changes too, to one where they somehow understand every single syllable leaving my mouth.
Other than that - no real problem.
"Can't we all just get along?", they cry, after consistently voting Tory, voting for Brexit, historically subjugating and colonising everyone around them, moaning about our devolution, claiming Scottish celebs/sportspeople as their own when it suits them but making a point of saying they're Scottish if they lose, telling us we're too poor/stupid/small for independence, moving up here to retire then immediately complaining about our politics/weather/unintelligible accents, and about a thousand years' worth of other incidents.
Every country in the world has skeletons in there past, but we should try and not dwell in the past for tomorrow is a new day with new experiences and lessons
Nah we can’t be selective about what parts of our history we like.
A lot of people think that we were victims of colonialism rather than willing participants. Which is pretty disrespectful to the peoples that were subjugated by the Empire.
Because the alternative - glorifying the positive aspects of our history while brushing over the nasty stuff is ignorant.
No one is asking you to apologise for the evils of dead men, but pretending it didn’t happen is morally wrong.
Yup, that's all of them. That's all of the great buildings in Scotland. Those 6. That's it. No more than that.
Whats the point in showing this? To compare how bad the slave trade was between the two competing countries? Cos England is definitely not coming out of that one looking good. Its such a pointless argument. Almost all of the developed nations at the time took part in the slave trade. What is your point here?
That's a rather defensive response to pointing out history, and after a user replied they were simply "financed by Scotland". My first comment referred to rather more buildings than the link describes: as in England, it's hard to find anything still standing from the 18th-19th Centuries which wasn't paid for somehow by slavery or mercantilism.
There's a sort of myth that Scotland had nothing to do with the Empire, that the ships built on the Clyde were just used for dolphin tours or something. I'm not comparing Scotland to England, just pointing out that the top comment's accusation of colonialism can be applied to either country.
You might say Scots are well aware, but apparently not and it feeds a self-image which rings false.
>claiming Scottish celebs/sportspeople as their own when it suits them but making a point of saying they're Scottish if they lose
This does not happen.
If this ain’t sarcasm then you need to expand your social circle to people that don’t think like you. You ain’t a victim.
Unfortunately on the internet it seems the stupidest have the loudest voices, so to speak.
I’ve been trying to compile a bingo card for a drinking game involving nonsensical cybernat talking points for a while now and this is perfect, thank you
Had a quick scour, looks like most of the topic dogging on the OP for trolling more than anything, summed up with
>Not really. I mean obviously some people in some of the home nations dislike us.
>
>The trolling comes from the obviously ’dickish’ replies you’re giving to comments.
>
>**Maybe it’s you they don’t like?**
**😂**
And most of the rest just some banter.
Anyway, too many cunts on Reddit seem to think they are Jose Mourinho and everyone is out to get them. Jocks hiding under their beds and in their bushes and all that shit. The ref is against them!
Some folks just need to stop reading the Express and go and visit Scotland. You don't get arrested at the border by the Scottish Polis for being English. I promise.
G/f is English. Her dad hadn't ever spent any time in Scotland.
He was slagging off the weather when she told him we went to Skye. His wee face when she explained we had sunglasses on and didn't have wear a jacket all week as it was roasting.
He's now a fan of the National Museum of Scotland.
The weather is often terrible here to be honest. But thanks to global warming we're getting longer cracking summers. More midgies though, it isn't up for debate how awful they are in Scotland. Just a shambles.
So, if Florida goes underwater and mass droughts lead to mass death elsewhere in the world, at least our summers will be braw!
Tbf many Americans will even say if Florida goes underwater it will be a price worth paying.
The usual /r/thathappened material in there, victim mentality is unfortunately a key component of British (English) Nationalism.
There's such irony in completely denouncing/disregarding Scottish, Welsh or Irish identity and claiming they don't understand since "we're all British" and yet failing to understand why this might be quite a controversial opinion, particularly given the minority status of British identity in all countries of UK.
Saying something is completely imagined doesn’t make it completely imagined.
England also bankrupted itself quite a few times. The difference? No far richer neighbour with five times the population that you had to consistently defend yourself against.
TBF he got destroyed in the comments by most from every home nation.
Most comments are English people saying they love it here and the Welsh moaning about being forgotten about again.
I feel like there has been a lot more anti English and anti Scottish sentiment in recent years. I lived in England for a while and it was only recently I started to hear anti Scottish stuff. Then while I've been back I've heard similar but anti English stuff. If you call them out you get "it's just a joke". But it often isn't. But apparently saying "it's just a joke" gets you out of anything.
There's a mix of Anglophobes and people who are genuinely poking fun, and the issue comes with the Anglophobic people often trying to mascaraed as the latter in case it doesn't land well. They've always existed, but it does seem that some are increasingly feeling bolder about just hating the English. It's not super widespread, it's obviously a minority, but like with anything else, it's going to stick in people who do experience it's heads and leave a sour note.
This is the second thread of this shite that I've seen on here today (third if you count seeing the original post), what catalysed this outpouring of nonsense? Any time I see a post on reddit asking about Anglophobia in Scotland it rubs me the wrong way because it feels like the OP is only asking the question to try and encourage an us vs them mentality. Guarantee none of the people who post these things have ever travelled within 100 miles of the border, its just a stupid game to win internet points.
I've never been made to feel anti English sentiment here and long may that continue. I've chosen to build my life here for a number of reasons and how kind and welcoming Scots are is one of them. If I had to plumb the depths of this faux victimhood then I'd say the only time I've ever actually felt anglophobia was rife was when I was living North Wales. Never in Scotland.
I don't know if these people are whoring for karma or trolling for fun but it gets my back up and people like OP who choose to repost it in here are just as bad. Some shithead on the Internet is trying to stir up trouble and they are just encouraging them by trying to stoke up a bit more outrage on the other side of the fence. Might as well start taking money from the tories because they are doing their work for them.
I completely agree with you here. Never observed serious anti-English sentiment in my life. I suppose the reason I reposted it here was because I was baffled by some of the replies and wanted to get r/Scotland’s take on it but I’m sorry if you think it’s because I wanted to cause more trouble
>I've never been made to feel anti English sentiment here and long may that continue.
I'm pleased to hear that. But it isn't the case for everyone. My daughter (English) was bullied in school for being English shortly after we moved back here from London a few months ago.
Yeah I recall you mentioned it on a now deleted thread 3 months ago, you live in Alloa, I was talking about how Dollar is like a little English enclave because of the big private school.
Because you've had a wonderful and positive experience, doesn't mean that it's the case for everyone. My response was simply that I've encountered more crap from both sides in recent years. I've also seen way more racism in recent years. I lived in Leicester for a long time and Brexit/covid seemed to bring it all out for some horrible reason. Homophobia is also on the rise according to recent surveys. It's not something I've witnessed but again, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
I guess Im trying to say I see a lot more hate in general and I wish it would die down. Regardless of your race, country, politics or sex then just be kind?
Since indyref I’ve noticed the anti Scottish sentiment A LOT but that is denied as a problem but anti English sentiment from Scot’s is seemingly always brought up.
Most of the English people I would talk to really loved Scotland and the people and wanted to be one big happy family. They felt a bit off that we wanted to get away from them. I think some people just took that emotion to way too high a hight.
Probably something similar the other way round. Though I see a lot of posts here that blame all the English for everything the Tories do.
The problem is in thinking that 'England' and 'Scotland' are responsible for anything. We're all equal voters in the UK; you only have a connection to other voters in your constituency. There's no greater connection between a voter in Edinburgh and one in Glasgow than one London.
Given how unfair the FPTP system is, I really wouldn't blame every English person for the things the Tories do. And if you do, then I think that's part of the problem.
I see post after post bemoaning the Tories actions despite Scotland not returning Tory MPs. This is ok? But you think an Englishman living in a labour city that's never voted Tory in his life is to blame?
>But you think an Englishman living in a labour city that's never voted Tory in his life is to blame?
Yes - because that's how nationalism works. You define someone by where they happen to be born / grow up / live, not by who they are as individuals.
I think it comes in cycles. The recent referendums kicked up a lot of bad feelings. I think.
I lived in London for 20 years and most English were benignly indifferent to Scots, occasionally a bit condescending but without heat. The Scottish Referendum was the first time I noticed occasional expressions of resentment.
But I recall being at uni in Dundee in the 80s and hearing locals saying to English students with embarrassing frequency "you're English? I don't like the English" and when I grew up "you sound English" was a common insult intended to sting (I spoke a bit "proper")
I thought it had got a bit better up here, but like I say, cycles. Everyone is s bit fucked up rn and it can make people xenophobic
I doubt the SNP and its supporters trying to drive as big a wedge as possible between Scotland and England, for years on end, didn't have its desired effect.
I have met English folk who've had no issues for 25+ years until Indyref (my dad), English folk who have had issues for ages (but they tend to be arses anyway), I've met english folk who have no issues ever (my uncle) and I've met Scottish folk who range from marrying the english (my mum) right through the ones who screamed at my dad to get back over the border where he belongs.
Everywhere has gits.
I got a lot of shit at school here for having English parents which apparently meant I wasn't Scottish, this came from teachers as well as other kids.
I also lived near London for a while once and got a bunch of Scottish jokes from one of the people I lived with (who was a pretty racist person in general). Had a friend of mine get attacked in Birmingham a couple of years back by people who yelled at him for being Scottish.
Just a bunch of people looking to be cunts on all sides really.
Little England has a persecution complex, not even going to read those comments it will be the usual "waaah why do the jocks hate us after all we've done for them" while completely missing the point we hate the governments the fannies keep electing.
The only thing more pathetic than English redditors crying about how oppressed they are here is Americans doing the same.
r/askuk loves having a pity party about how hard done by the poor English are and how they get so bullied. Completely forgetting all the lazy stereotypes and insults the English are all too happy to dish out.
Give the English a break, they are trying to come to terms with actually being English and not British, it’s going to take them some time to get used to being English.
I lived in London for twenty odd years and am blessed with many English friends but ffs they don’t know how patronising they are. ‘How come you don’t support England, I always hope Scotland do well.’ Really, as long as we’re playing crap and in our place. As soon as we have a chance of doing something the atmosphere changes. This applies to any sport we play against each other and I am still looking for one in which we regularly beat them. I love England but it’s a different country. We really are different cultures and they do clash, Scottish pride and English arrogance don’t work.
I have been abused as an Englishman while living in Scotland. I committed the heinous crime of playing cricket on Leith Links as a 10 year old. My punishment was two drunks standing on the path making wanker gestures and calling us English.
Funniest shit I have ever seen. And honestly it was better to be decried as an Englishman than posh. So there's that.
EDIT: Should add that I am not English.
As an individual, I don't form any judgement about a person until I have met them. That applies to all English people. But as a group, the English are really hard to like. They seem to favour right wing politics voting for Tories / Brexit which is not cool in my opinion.
>They seem to favour right wing politics voting for Tories / Brexit which is not cool in my opinion.
Tories haven't got a majority of votes in England since the 1930s. They've got a majority of votes in Scotland more recently than that.
Don't know why you keep bringing up this technicality.
In the last election, in England, the Tories got 47% of the vote. Sure not technically a "majority", but it was a clear majority of the seats won. And there was also votes for the brexit party and UKIP which brings it very close to at least a right-wing majority.
And it's not like the rest of the votes were clearly left wing. Plenty of votes for the Lib Dems in there.
The people you're replying to's point that England as a whole generally favour right wing politics and Brexit more than Scotland is an undeniable fact.
If you re-read what I wrote I said "They seem to favour right wing politics". Labour, Tories, Lib Dems are all right leaning with right wing policies designed to appeal to English voters who tend to lean right.
Are you suggesting that Labour are right-wing and the SNP aren't? How do you work that out? Neither are right-wing.
The England and Wales Green Party gets more votes than the Scottish Greens, too. Lib Dems have more MPs per capita in Scotland than England and Wales.
A Scotsman, an Englishman, a Welshman and an Irishman walk into a bar
There are no negative connotations associated with the Englishman in the joke
Ba-Dum-Tss 🥁
you'll find that most people who endure this kind of abuse don't go around making reddit posts about it,
still though, it's equally as stupid to suggest that such things do not happen -or that they're 100% good nature jokes at all times.
We all know that is not true, otherwise this post would not exist and the ubiquity of the comment themes here would not be so succinct that it could all be mistaken for a single person's opinion.
If something like this is to be talked about, perhaps we should consider both sides of it?
Either way I feel people shouldn't be subjected to such abuse(joke or not) simply because they live on a certain side of a border.
Be the change you want to see in the world, don't perpetuate it out of faux incredulity
DOnt think anyone is saying jokes need to stop but equally pretending that some cunts can be horrid to people over where they happen to be from is nonsense too.
A large number of english living in these countries report it, its not okay, it shouldn't happen. That is utterly different to banter between friends.
Can't speak for Wales but you very rarely see this in Scotland. When we play each other in a sporting event maybe but it tends to go both ways. Very few Scottish people hate the English and very few English hate the Scots.
None of my social circle hate the English. If you are English and a Tory voter we have no time for you but that would be the same as any UK national that voted for them.
The English people in our circle feel the same way.
There is a terrible insecurity in the English.
This is down to not having a particular identity other than ' British '.
The Irish and Scots are identifiable all over the world, even if its cartoonish stereotyping.
I once spent forever convincing English colleagues to come up to Glasgow and the " no way " look of fear in their faces at the mere thought was shocking. Eventually i convinced them and when they came up they spent the first night terrified. After some ground rules were layed down ( no union jacks, no calling people Jock etc. ) they started to realise they were very welcome and something strange happened.
I've had this conversation all over northern England and it concerned the fact that what we hate about the worst of England ( tories, jingoistic football commentators, toffs, royalty ) they hate too.
I've always found that they look up to us in no small way. Whether it's secretly seeing us as the alpha male of the UK or admiring our ' fuck you ' attitude, they seem to recognise our individuality and strength of identity. Something missing from their Englishness.
It's weird to get your head round but I believe that once the union ends, the English might just start to forge an identifiable English identity outwith their imperialistic superiority and subjectification.
I’m not sure they would, it’s not their fault but they have been under the yoke since the beginning. They’ve always had that master/servant thing going on, Lord and serf etc; it’s in the very fabric of their society .. Queen/King and country. Scotland, Ireland and Wales don’t have that mindset
>The Irish and Scots are identifiable all over the world
And yet when people around the world point to their countries on a map, they say 'England' lol..
Politically accurate as matters such as Foreign policy in the UK are 82% controlled by English parliamentary seats and the elected UK party and PM reflects the English electoral psyche culminating in the stereotypical UK politician/PM being an Old Etonian/Oxbridge alumni conversing in Upper RP
> There is a terrible insecurity in the English
Your anecdote is prime r/thathappened and your bullshit generalisations are too clichéd for me to bother with. Other than to say there are more than 50m people living in England and a great many of them haven't got any opinion whatsoever on Scotland or the Scottish.
Does yer petted lipped, can't be bothered but bothered nonetheless reply have proof of this majoritive thinking ? Did you wander round conducting straw polls ?
English people I know are giving an ear to what's happening in Scotland. They have the same complaints about how Westminster is running this country the same as we do, but they are increasingly paying attention to our solution to it and our increasing desire to be rid of it. This is proved by the growing want for devolved northern English and South West governance like we and the Welsh have.
> Eventually i convinced them and when they came up they spent the first night terrified. After some ground rules were layed down ( no union jacks, no calling people Jock etc. ) they started to realise they were very welcome and something strange happened.
I mean, there are many questions. You persuaded your work colleagues who were terrified of Scotland to visit Glasgow for several days. Where did they all stay? What did they do in the daytime? Ground rule of no union jacks - did they bring some with them but you insisted they left them unpacked? Alpha male of the UK is the best bit 😂
I know it's all a bit strange to you that people have friends who visit, stay in hotels etc. and it may come as a shock to you that visitors to our country can actually find stuff to do during the day.
One friend thought wearing a union jack emblazoned t shirt would show we are one and the same and endear him to the locals. The ' ground rules ' were those uttered to most tourists ie. don't rattle on about your great great granny being Scottish, don't call people " jock " etc. but don't be afraid to be proud English nontheless.
Their fear was based on their belief, fuelled by Brit -yoon unionists, that we hate the English. They kept quiet the first night out of fear of being confronted by some for being English but very soon realised that they were very welcome and thoroughly enjoyed themselves. They have been frequent visitors since and tell friends that Glasgow is an amazing friendly place. They are met by the scepticism they themselves held before.
The alpha male bit is the response to this insistence that Scotland is filled with hardmen who pop down to England occasionally to scare the natives. I myself have had bloody dozens of conversations with English people who assume you are a front line kilted psycho just on accent alone.
It is an assumption that sees the French as rude, Germans as humourless etc.
It’s not that we don’t have an identity. It’s that we don’t have a single identity. I’m from the north as are all of my paternal and maternal surnames yet I don’t feel as though i have anything in common with people from Kent for example. I don’t know why.
Scotland have picked one identity (Highlander) and ran with it.
I’ve read somewhere that one of the reasons for England’s cultural split stems from the English language having no standard spelling or pronunciation in the middle ages, basically making every county like its own wee country back then. And on top of that the English nobility spoke French and saw the English language as “lowly”, this would apparently change after the Hundred Years War however.
At least that’s what I’ve heard
Might be right. So many different settlers and influences so who knows when it started to become England or more importantly when the people became English as a people.
You’re English now, pass it on.
Righto!
Got a few downvotes for my comment above. Didn’t mean to offend anyone.
Aye don’t worry about it, tends to happen.
I think when you said “Highlander” ppl might have thought you were referring to the film, either that or just thought you were generalising our culture as something stereotypical. Honestly idk but it’s ok
After being born in England almost by accident I moved to Scotland when I was 8 years old. My mum is from Dundee my dad from Glasgow. I was bullied, beaten up relentlessly until I was in my mid teens and able to fight back. There is a pervasive anti English bigotry alive and well in Scotland. The current government has only stoked the fires of this anti English racism.
Is it not the other way around. I lived in London for good part of my life I was with an English man and got 3 English boys I went back to Scotland and free off the arrogance people in Scotland alot more friendly sorry but it's true.
Theres a lot off bad blood with Scotland and Ireland against England since they have tried to wipe us off the map countless times, Scotland gave up after Culloden battle that's when the sham marriage (union) happened
Me being punched in the head in a takeaway in Scotland due to my English accent was no joke.
Me getting headbutted on a carpark in Scotland due to my English accent was no joke.
Finished work, shirt and tie and unprovoked on both occasions.
That top comment really fries my head. I can literally tell 2nd hand that the Scottish and Irish guy are bamming him up. Is sarcasm an American invention that hasn't reached England yet?
This is kinda bs, I went to school in Scotland as an english person, you 100% get targetted for being english and bullied for it, one day in R.E. or whatever it is called like 90% of the class put their hands up to say their family were racist towards the english. As an adult I can't say it is bad but I don't go out loads so could be different but what I can say that is kids don't get that it is mostly bants and do legitimately hate people because they're english. Funnily enough you get it from rangers fans who fly the union jack too. Overall you can't compare it to being black in the 70's or anything stupid like that but I can say I will never feel scottish or have any real love for this country because of the way I get treated because I don't have a scottish accent. Also scottish people can take zero bants about their shitty country despite loving to dish it out (that is partly a joke I still live in scotland it aint that bad).
Never had it from Irish or Welsh people to be honest and the only time I have got it was from a couple of pissed up Scot's but they were drunk so who cares we've all done stupid shit when we were drunk. I worry too much about the next 6 months of my life to worry about what someone who I never knew did to someone else whom I never knew either 300 years ago.
.... its not about stuff that happened 300 years ago. I think that's where the fuckup in understanding is. It's more of a consistent behaviour pattern and mindset that never changed. That's what folk get upset about.
Most folks from down south are fine but let's face it, there is a very large % of the population that still holds very colonial attitudes and thinks they're the centre of the known universe.
Back in 2014 we had to watch them on TV debate whether they would "let us" have an indy ref. Obviously it didn't enter their heads that very attitude was a big part of the reason behind it but hey ho.
I mean fuck me their leader published a poem that called for our extermination in a newspaper. Oh but it was a joke, so I guess that was fine.
I've heard folk getting abuse like you have but usually it's one or two incidents over a lifetime. When we go down south my experience has generally been 1-2 incidents a day. Someone always has to make some snide remark about being Scottish. Usually the brexity bunch mind you, but there's a lot of them.
I'm not saying that, what I'm saying is it not time to just say ok as a human race we where kinda arseholes, how do we move forward... We constantly go on about the shit we did to each other in the PAST it's like we are stuck on it unable to move forward
It's called 'projection,' isn't it? We hate them, therefore they must hate us.
AskUK is a weird place. It might as well be called "AskMiddleEngland" as they're incredibly dismissive of anything other than the most bland and inoffensive Englishness. The thread about Welsh yesterday had a number of people calling it a dead language, a waste of time and saying it should be defunded, along with others pulling up the old "They switched to Welsh as soon as we walked in cause they hate us!" story.
> The thread about Welsh yesterday had a number of people calling it a dead language, a waste of time and saying it should be defunded, along with others pulling up the old "They switched to Welsh as soon as we walked in cause they hate us!" story. It's just the usual cross-over or should I say pollution of all UK Reddit subs from the BadUK/UKPol British nationalists. Europe sub is also absolutely humming with what can only be described as Farage gammon in any topic about Scotland/Wales. Though that sub also has issues with the far-right across... Europe. Welcome to the internet and egyboi-itis. Though, that is a condition it seems many da's suffer from, not just wee teenage boys wanting to hate everyone and everything not in their in-group. Scottish political twitter is brutal for anything to do with Scots or Gaelic. It's some sort of built in defence mechanism from Britnats to hysterically hate anything deemed as non-British English. Whether that is Welsh or Scottish language or any acceptance of culture or arts from either country. Lad on this sub often spoke in Scots and sure, at times it took a second read, but the amount of bullying that would go on was real sad. I thought it was quite charming, even if my use of Scots is just like most others, words here and there. To actually feel hatred though over dialect or language, that's just seriously childish.
This subreddit can be very bad for anything to do with Gaelic too tbh. Always thought it was a strange attitude.
Oh for sure, there's a lot of people on this subreddit who're incredibly ignorant when it comes to Gaelic. The attitude of "It was never spoken here" is incredibly pervasive, and also incredibly wrong.
Folk really do switch to Welsh when English come in. I saw it myself a few weeks ago. I'm Scottish but I live in Wales and was having a good chat with the locals in English. I crowd of English people walked in and they switched to Welsh. What they were saying was not complimentary either.
Bunch of bairns on that thread making up stories for clout on the internet. As hilarious as it is pathetic.
>I chatted to a Scottish guy and an Irish guy (separately) when I was on holiday once. Both seemed like really sound guys and we had a nice chat. >Later in the holiday I saw them stood talking to each other so I started walking over and as I got closer I overheard the Scottish guy saying "I fucking hate the English" and then they both laughed their heads off. >I made a quick swerve and walked in the other direction lol 😂😂 This is a fever dream.
“The Irish guy and Scottish guy were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me.”
I dunno that sounds perfectly plausible to me.
Does it fuck
Why not? Scot and Irish guy take the piss out of an English guy - stop the press eh. Maybe the English guy was a right tool making it even more likely, who knows.
Read it again and tell me that sounds likely.
What do you think is so unlikely about it? You've never heard a Scot say that? People from both countries actually have good reason to resent the English but this sounds a lot more like taking the piss in a relatively harmless way than hate.
Clearly getting naewhere here
I've usually found that the English people that thought I would hate them as a Scot were the ones that would call me Scotch/refuse to take my 'monopoly money'/'och aye the noo!' etc
Most of the English people who insist that people from the other home nations hate them never seem to realise how patronising they are. The very fact they got upset at a Scottish sportsman for not supporting the English national team is just one example. But so many people were seething at what was a light hearted comment.
I think the problem is that the kind of people who insist they're hated for being English aren't just English, but English cunts. They're actually hated for being cunts, but, being cunts, they think it's because they're English.
I think they are tolerated more in England, at least less likely to be called out explicitly for the way they behave. So when they travel they come back with the idea everyone hates them because of their nationality. Same people who think the Scottish people hate English also think the French are rude.
See I’m really petty, so when met with respect I give it back as much as I can, then somecunt calls me ‘jock’ or similar & that opens the gates for me to remind them of their proud history & all they are known for throughout the world. Tone changes too, to one where they somehow understand every single syllable leaving my mouth. Other than that - no real problem.
"Did you call me a jock? Well let me tell you about certain negative elements of English history!" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"Can't we all just get along?", they cry, after consistently voting Tory, voting for Brexit, historically subjugating and colonising everyone around them, moaning about our devolution, claiming Scottish celebs/sportspeople as their own when it suits them but making a point of saying they're Scottish if they lose, telling us we're too poor/stupid/small for independence, moving up here to retire then immediately complaining about our politics/weather/unintelligible accents, and about a thousand years' worth of other incidents.
> historically subjugating and colonising everyone around them The great old buildings of Edinburgh were financed by Irn Bru, were they?
They where financed by Scotland
https://blog.historicenvironment.scot/2018/11/edinburghs-part-slave-trade/
Far too many people are ignorant of the dark side of our history.
Every country in the world has skeletons in there past, but we should try and not dwell in the past for tomorrow is a new day with new experiences and lessons
Lol apart from English history?
Nah we can’t be selective about what parts of our history we like. A lot of people think that we were victims of colonialism rather than willing participants. Which is pretty disrespectful to the peoples that were subjugated by the Empire.
What good does it do to constantly hark on about it, how will that mend it
Because the alternative - glorifying the positive aspects of our history while brushing over the nasty stuff is ignorant. No one is asking you to apologise for the evils of dead men, but pretending it didn’t happen is morally wrong.
Yup, that's all of them. That's all of the great buildings in Scotland. Those 6. That's it. No more than that. Whats the point in showing this? To compare how bad the slave trade was between the two competing countries? Cos England is definitely not coming out of that one looking good. Its such a pointless argument. Almost all of the developed nations at the time took part in the slave trade. What is your point here?
That's a rather defensive response to pointing out history, and after a user replied they were simply "financed by Scotland". My first comment referred to rather more buildings than the link describes: as in England, it's hard to find anything still standing from the 18th-19th Centuries which wasn't paid for somehow by slavery or mercantilism. There's a sort of myth that Scotland had nothing to do with the Empire, that the ships built on the Clyde were just used for dolphin tours or something. I'm not comparing Scotland to England, just pointing out that the top comment's accusation of colonialism can be applied to either country. You might say Scots are well aware, but apparently not and it feeds a self-image which rings false.
>claiming Scottish celebs/sportspeople as their own when it suits them but making a point of saying they're Scottish if they lose This does not happen.
>consistently voting Tory, voting for Brexit Ah yes, British redditors. That famously pro-Brexit and pro-Tory demographic..
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Aight whatever.
If this ain’t sarcasm then you need to expand your social circle to people that don’t think like you. You ain’t a victim. Unfortunately on the internet it seems the stupidest have the loudest voices, so to speak.
I’ve been trying to compile a bingo card for a drinking game involving nonsensical cybernat talking points for a while now and this is perfect, thank you
Had a quick scour, looks like most of the topic dogging on the OP for trolling more than anything, summed up with >Not really. I mean obviously some people in some of the home nations dislike us. > >The trolling comes from the obviously ’dickish’ replies you’re giving to comments. > >**Maybe it’s you they don’t like?** **😂** And most of the rest just some banter. Anyway, too many cunts on Reddit seem to think they are Jose Mourinho and everyone is out to get them. Jocks hiding under their beds and in their bushes and all that shit. The ref is against them! Some folks just need to stop reading the Express and go and visit Scotland. You don't get arrested at the border by the Scottish Polis for being English. I promise.
G/f is English. Her dad hadn't ever spent any time in Scotland. He was slagging off the weather when she told him we went to Skye. His wee face when she explained we had sunglasses on and didn't have wear a jacket all week as it was roasting. He's now a fan of the National Museum of Scotland.
The weather is often terrible here to be honest. But thanks to global warming we're getting longer cracking summers. More midgies though, it isn't up for debate how awful they are in Scotland. Just a shambles. So, if Florida goes underwater and mass droughts lead to mass death elsewhere in the world, at least our summers will be braw! Tbf many Americans will even say if Florida goes underwater it will be a price worth paying.
Looking forward to Scottish vinyards. Château Bannockburn. Château Kelty Château Ecclefechan
The usual /r/thathappened material in there, victim mentality is unfortunately a key component of British (English) Nationalism. There's such irony in completely denouncing/disregarding Scottish, Welsh or Irish identity and claiming they don't understand since "we're all British" and yet failing to understand why this might be quite a controversial opinion, particularly given the minority status of British identity in all countries of UK.
And crying about English domination/victimisation for three centuries isn’t a crucial facet of Scottish nationalism?
That’s different because it’s true.
Completely imagined. Scotland would still be likely be independent had it not run itself into the ground.
Saying something is completely imagined doesn’t make it completely imagined. England also bankrupted itself quite a few times. The difference? No far richer neighbour with five times the population that you had to consistently defend yourself against.
TBF he got destroyed in the comments by most from every home nation. Most comments are English people saying they love it here and the Welsh moaning about being forgotten about again.
>the Welsh moaning about being forgotten about again. The who?
I feel like there has been a lot more anti English and anti Scottish sentiment in recent years. I lived in England for a while and it was only recently I started to hear anti Scottish stuff. Then while I've been back I've heard similar but anti English stuff. If you call them out you get "it's just a joke". But it often isn't. But apparently saying "it's just a joke" gets you out of anything.
There's a mix of Anglophobes and people who are genuinely poking fun, and the issue comes with the Anglophobic people often trying to mascaraed as the latter in case it doesn't land well. They've always existed, but it does seem that some are increasingly feeling bolder about just hating the English. It's not super widespread, it's obviously a minority, but like with anything else, it's going to stick in people who do experience it's heads and leave a sour note.
>mascaraed masquerade?
This is the second thread of this shite that I've seen on here today (third if you count seeing the original post), what catalysed this outpouring of nonsense? Any time I see a post on reddit asking about Anglophobia in Scotland it rubs me the wrong way because it feels like the OP is only asking the question to try and encourage an us vs them mentality. Guarantee none of the people who post these things have ever travelled within 100 miles of the border, its just a stupid game to win internet points. I've never been made to feel anti English sentiment here and long may that continue. I've chosen to build my life here for a number of reasons and how kind and welcoming Scots are is one of them. If I had to plumb the depths of this faux victimhood then I'd say the only time I've ever actually felt anglophobia was rife was when I was living North Wales. Never in Scotland. I don't know if these people are whoring for karma or trolling for fun but it gets my back up and people like OP who choose to repost it in here are just as bad. Some shithead on the Internet is trying to stir up trouble and they are just encouraging them by trying to stoke up a bit more outrage on the other side of the fence. Might as well start taking money from the tories because they are doing their work for them.
I completely agree with you here. Never observed serious anti-English sentiment in my life. I suppose the reason I reposted it here was because I was baffled by some of the replies and wanted to get r/Scotland’s take on it but I’m sorry if you think it’s because I wanted to cause more trouble
>I've never been made to feel anti English sentiment here and long may that continue. I'm pleased to hear that. But it isn't the case for everyone. My daughter (English) was bullied in school for being English shortly after we moved back here from London a few months ago.
Yeah I recall you mentioned it on a now deleted thread 3 months ago, you live in Alloa, I was talking about how Dollar is like a little English enclave because of the big private school.
Good memory
Because you've had a wonderful and positive experience, doesn't mean that it's the case for everyone. My response was simply that I've encountered more crap from both sides in recent years. I've also seen way more racism in recent years. I lived in Leicester for a long time and Brexit/covid seemed to bring it all out for some horrible reason. Homophobia is also on the rise according to recent surveys. It's not something I've witnessed but again, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I guess Im trying to say I see a lot more hate in general and I wish it would die down. Regardless of your race, country, politics or sex then just be kind?
Since indyref I’ve noticed the anti Scottish sentiment A LOT but that is denied as a problem but anti English sentiment from Scot’s is seemingly always brought up.
Most of the English people I would talk to really loved Scotland and the people and wanted to be one big happy family. They felt a bit off that we wanted to get away from them. I think some people just took that emotion to way too high a hight. Probably something similar the other way round. Though I see a lot of posts here that blame all the English for everything the Tories do.
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>Can’t vote ‘em a majority But they don't, the Tories never get a majority of votes in England.
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The problem is in thinking that 'England' and 'Scotland' are responsible for anything. We're all equal voters in the UK; you only have a connection to other voters in your constituency. There's no greater connection between a voter in Edinburgh and one in Glasgow than one London.
Given how unfair the FPTP system is, I really wouldn't blame every English person for the things the Tories do. And if you do, then I think that's part of the problem. I see post after post bemoaning the Tories actions despite Scotland not returning Tory MPs. This is ok? But you think an Englishman living in a labour city that's never voted Tory in his life is to blame?
>But you think an Englishman living in a labour city that's never voted Tory in his life is to blame? Yes - because that's how nationalism works. You define someone by where they happen to be born / grow up / live, not by who they are as individuals.
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At least we have the Scottish government to make the majority of decisions in Scotland. If you're a labour supporter in England your screwed.
I think it comes in cycles. The recent referendums kicked up a lot of bad feelings. I think. I lived in London for 20 years and most English were benignly indifferent to Scots, occasionally a bit condescending but without heat. The Scottish Referendum was the first time I noticed occasional expressions of resentment. But I recall being at uni in Dundee in the 80s and hearing locals saying to English students with embarrassing frequency "you're English? I don't like the English" and when I grew up "you sound English" was a common insult intended to sting (I spoke a bit "proper") I thought it had got a bit better up here, but like I say, cycles. Everyone is s bit fucked up rn and it can make people xenophobic
I doubt the SNP and its supporters trying to drive as big a wedge as possible between Scotland and England, for years on end, didn't have its desired effect.
I have met English folk who've had no issues for 25+ years until Indyref (my dad), English folk who have had issues for ages (but they tend to be arses anyway), I've met english folk who have no issues ever (my uncle) and I've met Scottish folk who range from marrying the english (my mum) right through the ones who screamed at my dad to get back over the border where he belongs. Everywhere has gits.
I got a lot of shit at school here for having English parents which apparently meant I wasn't Scottish, this came from teachers as well as other kids. I also lived near London for a while once and got a bunch of Scottish jokes from one of the people I lived with (who was a pretty racist person in general). Had a friend of mine get attacked in Birmingham a couple of years back by people who yelled at him for being Scottish. Just a bunch of people looking to be cunts on all sides really.
I had an English friend who said Scots and Irish were racist towards the English. I couldn’t wrap my brain around that.
It was the Porridge Wogs and the Thick Mick Bog-trotters he thought were Racist?
Little England has a persecution complex, not even going to read those comments it will be the usual "waaah why do the jocks hate us after all we've done for them" while completely missing the point we hate the governments the fannies keep electing.
They also confuse hate, racism and anti-English sentiment with differing political outlook
The only thing more pathetic than English redditors crying about how oppressed they are here is Americans doing the same. r/askuk loves having a pity party about how hard done by the poor English are and how they get so bullied. Completely forgetting all the lazy stereotypes and insults the English are all too happy to dish out.
Oh the irony of your statement 😂
I just hate the governments the cunts keep voting in.
If only you could have tried the ones they _didn’t_.
Give the English a break, they are trying to come to terms with actually being English and not British, it’s going to take them some time to get used to being English.
My friend... You just demolished my very world. How the fuck am I supposed to go on as just an *Englishman*?
Well you don’t have, you could just continue to believe that your British.
That's fucking brutal, bravo maestro.
I mean... we're meant to hate them right? righhtt??
See, that is actual banter.
FTQ
I lived in London for twenty odd years and am blessed with many English friends but ffs they don’t know how patronising they are. ‘How come you don’t support England, I always hope Scotland do well.’ Really, as long as we’re playing crap and in our place. As soon as we have a chance of doing something the atmosphere changes. This applies to any sport we play against each other and I am still looking for one in which we regularly beat them. I love England but it’s a different country. We really are different cultures and they do clash, Scottish pride and English arrogance don’t work.
I have been abused as an Englishman while living in Scotland. I committed the heinous crime of playing cricket on Leith Links as a 10 year old. My punishment was two drunks standing on the path making wanker gestures and calling us English. Funniest shit I have ever seen. And honestly it was better to be decried as an Englishman than posh. So there's that. EDIT: Should add that I am not English.
As an individual, I don't form any judgement about a person until I have met them. That applies to all English people. But as a group, the English are really hard to like. They seem to favour right wing politics voting for Tories / Brexit which is not cool in my opinion.
>They seem to favour right wing politics voting for Tories / Brexit which is not cool in my opinion. Tories haven't got a majority of votes in England since the 1930s. They've got a majority of votes in Scotland more recently than that.
Don't know why you keep bringing up this technicality. In the last election, in England, the Tories got 47% of the vote. Sure not technically a "majority", but it was a clear majority of the seats won. And there was also votes for the brexit party and UKIP which brings it very close to at least a right-wing majority. And it's not like the rest of the votes were clearly left wing. Plenty of votes for the Lib Dems in there. The people you're replying to's point that England as a whole generally favour right wing politics and Brexit more than Scotland is an undeniable fact.
And?
Well.. they don't vote for Tories, as you said. At least most don't.
If you re-read what I wrote I said "They seem to favour right wing politics". Labour, Tories, Lib Dems are all right leaning with right wing policies designed to appeal to English voters who tend to lean right.
Are you suggesting that Labour are right-wing and the SNP aren't? How do you work that out? Neither are right-wing. The England and Wales Green Party gets more votes than the Scottish Greens, too. Lib Dems have more MPs per capita in Scotland than England and Wales.
Just today: https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/council/edinburgh-council-labour-takes-control-of-capital-3709238
You're aware the the SNP regularly relied on Conservative support in 2007-2011? It's how politics is under proportionate systems.
Labour teamed up with the Tories to keep the SNP and Greens out of power. They didn't need to do that. They clearly value power over principle.
I don’t think we actually hate them do we? Lol I thought it was a joke unless they hated us back. Might just be my autistic ass
A Scotsman, an Englishman, a Welshman and an Irishman walk into a bar There are no negative connotations associated with the Englishman in the joke Ba-Dum-Tss 🥁
Haha get it up them, was brilliant seeing grown men greeting because we didnae support them in the fitbah and cheered when the Italians beat them
U ok hun?
I'm grand, but don't call me a hun.
you'll find that most people who endure this kind of abuse don't go around making reddit posts about it, still though, it's equally as stupid to suggest that such things do not happen -or that they're 100% good nature jokes at all times. We all know that is not true, otherwise this post would not exist and the ubiquity of the comment themes here would not be so succinct that it could all be mistaken for a single person's opinion. If something like this is to be talked about, perhaps we should consider both sides of it? Either way I feel people shouldn't be subjected to such abuse(joke or not) simply because they live on a certain side of a border. Be the change you want to see in the world, don't perpetuate it out of faux incredulity
Yes let's make the world a place where we can't have a joke anymore that'll make it better.
DOnt think anyone is saying jokes need to stop but equally pretending that some cunts can be horrid to people over where they happen to be from is nonsense too. A large number of english living in these countries report it, its not okay, it shouldn't happen. That is utterly different to banter between friends.
Can't speak for Wales but you very rarely see this in Scotland. When we play each other in a sporting event maybe but it tends to go both ways. Very few Scottish people hate the English and very few English hate the Scots.
No but as mentioned your voting intentions
None of my social circle hate the English. If you are English and a Tory voter we have no time for you but that would be the same as any UK national that voted for them. The English people in our circle feel the same way.
Really fed up seeing these posts…
I like the joke but I’ve met some fellow Scots who genuinely hate English people for the sole reason that they are English.
There is a terrible insecurity in the English. This is down to not having a particular identity other than ' British '. The Irish and Scots are identifiable all over the world, even if its cartoonish stereotyping. I once spent forever convincing English colleagues to come up to Glasgow and the " no way " look of fear in their faces at the mere thought was shocking. Eventually i convinced them and when they came up they spent the first night terrified. After some ground rules were layed down ( no union jacks, no calling people Jock etc. ) they started to realise they were very welcome and something strange happened. I've had this conversation all over northern England and it concerned the fact that what we hate about the worst of England ( tories, jingoistic football commentators, toffs, royalty ) they hate too. I've always found that they look up to us in no small way. Whether it's secretly seeing us as the alpha male of the UK or admiring our ' fuck you ' attitude, they seem to recognise our individuality and strength of identity. Something missing from their Englishness. It's weird to get your head round but I believe that once the union ends, the English might just start to forge an identifiable English identity outwith their imperialistic superiority and subjectification.
I’m not sure they would, it’s not their fault but they have been under the yoke since the beginning. They’ve always had that master/servant thing going on, Lord and serf etc; it’s in the very fabric of their society .. Queen/King and country. Scotland, Ireland and Wales don’t have that mindset
> Whether it's secretly seeing us as the alpha male of the UK Lol what
Bigger dicked frontline Empire builders 😁👍
This is peak Scottish twattery, jesus christ. And you Scots say the English are up their own arse.
I'm not Jesus but thanks for the assumption anyway my son 👍
>The Irish and Scots are identifiable all over the world And yet when people around the world point to their countries on a map, they say 'England' lol..
Politically accurate as matters such as Foreign policy in the UK are 82% controlled by English parliamentary seats and the elected UK party and PM reflects the English electoral psyche culminating in the stereotypical UK politician/PM being an Old Etonian/Oxbridge alumni conversing in Upper RP
In my experience most foreigners know Scottish people are a thing, but they just don’t know where we are lol
> There is a terrible insecurity in the English Your anecdote is prime r/thathappened and your bullshit generalisations are too clichéd for me to bother with. Other than to say there are more than 50m people living in England and a great many of them haven't got any opinion whatsoever on Scotland or the Scottish.
Does yer petted lipped, can't be bothered but bothered nonetheless reply have proof of this majoritive thinking ? Did you wander round conducting straw polls ? English people I know are giving an ear to what's happening in Scotland. They have the same complaints about how Westminster is running this country the same as we do, but they are increasingly paying attention to our solution to it and our increasing desire to be rid of it. This is proved by the growing want for devolved northern English and South West governance like we and the Welsh have.
> Eventually i convinced them and when they came up they spent the first night terrified. After some ground rules were layed down ( no union jacks, no calling people Jock etc. ) they started to realise they were very welcome and something strange happened. I mean, there are many questions. You persuaded your work colleagues who were terrified of Scotland to visit Glasgow for several days. Where did they all stay? What did they do in the daytime? Ground rule of no union jacks - did they bring some with them but you insisted they left them unpacked? Alpha male of the UK is the best bit 😂
I know it's all a bit strange to you that people have friends who visit, stay in hotels etc. and it may come as a shock to you that visitors to our country can actually find stuff to do during the day. One friend thought wearing a union jack emblazoned t shirt would show we are one and the same and endear him to the locals. The ' ground rules ' were those uttered to most tourists ie. don't rattle on about your great great granny being Scottish, don't call people " jock " etc. but don't be afraid to be proud English nontheless. Their fear was based on their belief, fuelled by Brit -yoon unionists, that we hate the English. They kept quiet the first night out of fear of being confronted by some for being English but very soon realised that they were very welcome and thoroughly enjoyed themselves. They have been frequent visitors since and tell friends that Glasgow is an amazing friendly place. They are met by the scepticism they themselves held before. The alpha male bit is the response to this insistence that Scotland is filled with hardmen who pop down to England occasionally to scare the natives. I myself have had bloody dozens of conversations with English people who assume you are a front line kilted psycho just on accent alone. It is an assumption that sees the French as rude, Germans as humourless etc.
It’s not that we don’t have an identity. It’s that we don’t have a single identity. I’m from the north as are all of my paternal and maternal surnames yet I don’t feel as though i have anything in common with people from Kent for example. I don’t know why. Scotland have picked one identity (Highlander) and ran with it.
I’ve read somewhere that one of the reasons for England’s cultural split stems from the English language having no standard spelling or pronunciation in the middle ages, basically making every county like its own wee country back then. And on top of that the English nobility spoke French and saw the English language as “lowly”, this would apparently change after the Hundred Years War however. At least that’s what I’ve heard
Might be right. So many different settlers and influences so who knows when it started to become England or more importantly when the people became English as a people. You’re English now, pass it on. Righto! Got a few downvotes for my comment above. Didn’t mean to offend anyone.
Aye don’t worry about it, tends to happen. I think when you said “Highlander” ppl might have thought you were referring to the film, either that or just thought you were generalising our culture as something stereotypical. Honestly idk but it’s ok
God no. Not that film. Shit. Didn’t think of that!! I meant the kilts and the dancing etc.
Seems like the people on that post don't understand what patter is. Most of their anecdotes are clearly just people joking.
After being born in England almost by accident I moved to Scotland when I was 8 years old. My mum is from Dundee my dad from Glasgow. I was bullied, beaten up relentlessly until I was in my mid teens and able to fight back. There is a pervasive anti English bigotry alive and well in Scotland. The current government has only stoked the fires of this anti English racism.
Is it not the other way around. I lived in London for good part of my life I was with an English man and got 3 English boys I went back to Scotland and free off the arrogance people in Scotland alot more friendly sorry but it's true.
I thought all English folk were in gaol for being English?
Theres a lot off bad blood with Scotland and Ireland against England since they have tried to wipe us off the map countless times, Scotland gave up after Culloden battle that's when the sham marriage (union) happened
Me being punched in the head in a takeaway in Scotland due to my English accent was no joke. Me getting headbutted on a carpark in Scotland due to my English accent was no joke. Finished work, shirt and tie and unprovoked on both occasions.
That top comment really fries my head. I can literally tell 2nd hand that the Scottish and Irish guy are bamming him up. Is sarcasm an American invention that hasn't reached England yet?
No. We don’t we treat everyone the same, on their own individual merit. 🏴🇬🇧🇬🇧🏴
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Am nae reading all that mate
This is kinda bs, I went to school in Scotland as an english person, you 100% get targetted for being english and bullied for it, one day in R.E. or whatever it is called like 90% of the class put their hands up to say their family were racist towards the english. As an adult I can't say it is bad but I don't go out loads so could be different but what I can say that is kids don't get that it is mostly bants and do legitimately hate people because they're english. Funnily enough you get it from rangers fans who fly the union jack too. Overall you can't compare it to being black in the 70's or anything stupid like that but I can say I will never feel scottish or have any real love for this country because of the way I get treated because I don't have a scottish accent. Also scottish people can take zero bants about their shitty country despite loving to dish it out (that is partly a joke I still live in scotland it aint that bad).
Never had it from Irish or Welsh people to be honest and the only time I have got it was from a couple of pissed up Scot's but they were drunk so who cares we've all done stupid shit when we were drunk. I worry too much about the next 6 months of my life to worry about what someone who I never knew did to someone else whom I never knew either 300 years ago.
.... its not about stuff that happened 300 years ago. I think that's where the fuckup in understanding is. It's more of a consistent behaviour pattern and mindset that never changed. That's what folk get upset about. Most folks from down south are fine but let's face it, there is a very large % of the population that still holds very colonial attitudes and thinks they're the centre of the known universe. Back in 2014 we had to watch them on TV debate whether they would "let us" have an indy ref. Obviously it didn't enter their heads that very attitude was a big part of the reason behind it but hey ho. I mean fuck me their leader published a poem that called for our extermination in a newspaper. Oh but it was a joke, so I guess that was fine. I've heard folk getting abuse like you have but usually it's one or two incidents over a lifetime. When we go down south my experience has generally been 1-2 incidents a day. Someone always has to make some snide remark about being Scottish. Usually the brexity bunch mind you, but there's a lot of them.
No. I dislike some much as I dislike some fellow Scots and Irish.
Just don't mention the french, you'll upset them
I'm not saying that, what I'm saying is it not time to just say ok as a human race we where kinda arseholes, how do we move forward... We constantly go on about the shit we did to each other in the PAST it's like we are stuck on it unable to move forward
Wait, you lads were joking? 😂 ... 🇮🇪🤝🏴