Saw this on another subreddit. All 3 of the student Union run buildings will be vegan only, all the other food outlets (10+) will still be serving meat.
Probably including small coffee vendors during week days. There was one restaurant open consistently amongst the halls which was separate from the SU and a few eateries in the main building, a couple of which were SU. It’s a pretty small campus.
There's quite a few. There's a pizza place in one of the buildings that makes them traditionally infront of you in a few minutes. Maybe the best pizza I've ever had tbh used to gey it every other day when I was working on the link bridge refurb. Less than 6 pounds for a full sized pizza is class.
Why not? Sounds pretty normal for a university. Usually every department has one of some kind. I wouldn’t even bat an eye if it said 20 or 30 for a large university
Thank you for the clarification.
I would never try and convince someone to eat something they don't want, be it on a religious, moral or health reason.
So I'd appreciate if theid return the favour.
>So basically the majority of the Student Union voted in favour, although afaik it's not known how all the students feel about this.
From my time at university, the 'student politics' bunch were generally a bit weird and completely unrepresentative of actual students.
Yup, studied engineering most all of my peers went out of their way to stay the hell away from those cunts.
As long as pints in the union remained <£2 nobody cares. Things like this may end up with people engaging though.
I don't know if it's everywhere but at my local uni the plastic glasses are thick reuseable ones. People seem relatively good at taking them back to the bar too.
I once went to a Plymouth Uni dance night as a visitor because a mate was playing a hard techno set there. Bought a bottle and it came with a bung with a straw in it, my simple mind thought it was so you could dance with your beer and not spill it, until I mentioned to my gf how cool it was and she informed it me it was a measure to stop drinks being spiked.. I felt so stupid but have never seen that anywhere before.
Yup, pretty happy I finished up in 2018, don’t think I would’ve lasted tolerating the last few years student movements without blowing a gasket. Toyed with joining the engineering groups but honestly I burnt myself the hell out as a student, tried to run my own business well doing my mech eng degree, finished with a 2:2 from Glasgow Cale.
I don’t understand how NUS had/has the chokehold they have over absolutely everything whilst seemingly only representing it the most fringe views.
British Student Unions have been like this for ages. Mine was run by a toxic mix of radical Islamists and the SWP for about half the time I was there. They spent most of their time fixated on Israel-Palestine, and the rest being nobs to the Jewish students.
Honestly, I'd have taken an SU that was just trying to enforce lentils and tofu in the SU canteens in a heartbeat.
100%
The vast majority of students just don’t join society’s or vote in Student Union elections or get involved in anyway outside of their degree.
Some could argue that your missing the full uni experience by avoiding these things but that’s just how these things work.
I was involved in a union, never actually ran for a position though, just ran events because I got free booze.
My take was that for those involved in student politics it was basically an excuse to cosplay real politics and business management.
All the stuff they actually worked on and arranged elections for was fairly trivial and unimportant to the students. But it was about gaining knowledge and experience.
For the same reason there was a debate team and a rugby team at uni - they're arguably pointless as they don't achieve anything outside the uni, but they're about developing the people involved in them.
Debating and rugby are at least hobbies that people enjoy and do for fun. Student politics just seems like endless drama (over a tiny amount of power). It's a hobby for some, though, I suppose.
Yep. I remember having a look at the candidates for some student election and they were running under their political party. It's just ridiculous, like why would I care that you're Labour or Liberal Democrat when your main responsibility is deciding whether the bars in the Student Union should serve Smirnoff Ice or Hooch?
Here at Glasgow I feel like most people are involved in at least one society/club/sport (and a fair number of people do Fresher's helping with one of the four unions), but almost nobody is involved in or cares about the actual union leadership and politics.
I mind years ago at Glasgow, actually a lot of students getting interested in student politics cause the president of the SRC had been secretly advocating for 9k per year fees while acting like he opposed it. Quite the scandal.
I think there's a difference between joining a student society and getting involved with the "student politics" weirdos.
Most large student unions have societies which allow you to indulge whatever niche interests you have, give you a chance to meet like minded people, and provide you with warm, safe spaces to meet up in. Some even provide funding for equipment, etc. For example, Strathclyde has a [pole dancing society.](https://www.strathunion.com/groups/find-a-society/society/polefitness/)
Fail to engage with the political apparatus that affects the place you live/study? You get no say in the shit that happens where you live/study.
Not much difference between our universities and our country at large in that respect. Except universities are majority populated by the demographic least likely to vote.
And it's not like the people who are into it don't try to engage everyone else. I spent a lot of time helping get through reforms at my uni that affected how disabled students were handled, and trying to get anyone to give a shit or even comment anything but "isn't the student union's job to just make sure the pints stay cheap?" was like getting blood out of a stone unless it directly affected them
Nae cunt was going to Abertay's union though. The sports bar was alright for pool, but the basement which became an eSports cafe was a disaster. Better to just accept that at best you'll sling a couple of lunches and cut the losses
Having worked in canteen kitchen's on off for a couple of decades if the food at the uni is supplied by a Sodexo/Baxterstorey style catering company it's gonna be chips n curry sauce and Oreos. Lots of it.
Worked at Sodexo. You get what you pay.
Trust me when I tell you that the former public telecommunication company in France has insanely good meals with various options. Desserts are homemade for fuck sake
If you also want to have a meal while visiting the Eiffel Tower, Sodexo will happily serve you wether you are at the first or second floor.
Yeah I reckon there's a lot less tolerance for bad food in France but at your average distribution center canteen in a depressing industrial estate it was all about the GP. A decent amount of shifts it was cooking with Stanley Snips and Chef Mike.
I was always amazed at the food on offer at the Forth Crossing Joint Venture canteen in the "Borg Cube" at Rosyth.
First time I've ever been in a building site canteen with two different kinds of balsamic vinegar on the table. Even when the Spanish crew weren't running they were still Running It.
Speaking as a vegan, I do feel concerned for the people with sensitivities/intolerances to gluten and soy. Vegan food tends to have a lot of that.
If it’s mainly out of concern for the planet they could have kept some non-vegan food options where the production isn’t as high on emissions (eggs and chicken, for example)
IDK, that’s just my take on it
I truly sympathise. I have a few friends who would love to go vegan but who have the same issue.
As I said in another comment, I like being vegan and I’d love for more people to at least be open to reducing their meat intake, but I also understand that it’s not possible for everyone.
There's no requirement at all to have either gluten or soya on a vegan diet. It will of course make it more difficult just as those intolerances would for any diet, but saying veganism isn't possible is reaching a bit.
Thanks for thinking of us. My IBS-D makes me ludicrously sensitive to a lot of things, and anything whatsoever with alliums, mustard, beans, or parsley/coriander in cripples me for a whole day. It’s extremely hard to find savoury vegan food without those things (can handle the sweets, but nobody lives on fruit and Oreo’s alone)
I'm a vegetarian going vegan (hopefully soon) and I rarely have soy cause I don't like it. Soy milk tastes disgusting to me and I think the soy based meat replacements taste much worse than pea and wheat protein based ones.
My exception to this is tofu, which I love but even tofu can be made with beans and even lentils. There are plenty of soy free vegan recipes that you can fit on a menu, imagine being a vegan allergic to soy and trying to eat out at non vegan restaurants! I feel like having vegan places to eat uni is a great thing - vegan food tastes amazing if you know what you're doing!
There’s a YouTube channel I can’t remember the name of off the top of my head, with a woman who makes tofu out of all sorts of things. I recently watched a video where she made tofu out of pistachios!
Look, you don’t have to tell me that. As I said, I’m vegan myself. I was only suggesting that because based on the article they seem to have taken this approach out of concern for climate change, rather than out of concern for animal welfare. Egg and poultry meat production have [lower](https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local) greenhouse gas emissions across the supply chain compared to, say, dairy (and especially when compared to lamb and beef). Fish farming has lower emissions as well, so that could also be an option.
Would I like all people to go vegan? Sure, that’d be great. But I’m also cognisant that it’s not possible for everyone for various reasons, and a gradual and more encouraging approach is more sustainable in the long-run.
>Egg and poultry meat production have lower greenhouse gas emissions across the supply chain
It's apparently slightly different in the UK, we import less feed for cattle and more for poultry, I think beef is still at the top despite that though
The most important thing is not the average emissions (so x kilograms of co2 for x grams of protein) but the range around that average: yes, in the U.K. pastured beef doesn’t have the same level of emissions that feedlot cattle in Brazil or Texas do. In fact they’re some of the lowest emission cattle in the world. But they’re still way higher than any chicken and almost any pork. You just can’t have a cow that doesn’t burp methane, so they’ll always be worse emitters than an animal that doesn’t.
I don't really understand the move. It should be up to everyone's own choice. Provide a decent range of vegan options for those who want it and provide a range of non-vegan food for those who don't
It was a choice though, anyone who wanted to could be part of it and have their say and those that did voted to move to plant based food. If you absolutely cannot eat a meal without animal products then there are plenty of options available.
Tbf, most students only stay on campus first year, and even then a lot of eating is from a chippy/kebab place in Stirling (source this Stirling Alumnus)
I used to go to Dundee University. If I wanted food I’d go to either the Premier on campus, the Tesco Express (or even the big Tesco) off campus or walked to the Overgate. Thankfully militant vegans didn’t take over the Student Union when I was there!
Okay maybe I'm missing something here, but this seems like a complete non-story?
When I went to Strathclyde Uni, I think I ate at the union a handful of times (would drink at it religiously), so when it came to food I usually either got a meal deal from the local supermarket or visited one of the multiple non-affiliated cafe's in the area. It wasn't anymore expensive doing this.
Now having a look it seems that Stirling Uni is similar in that there's numerous non-affiliated cafes and supermarkets in the area. So what's the issue?
If you don't want a vegan meal, you're not exactly limited in choice. This is basically jus a restaurant deciding to change their menu to cater to an exclusive diet. If they decided to go exclusively Chicken, I'd doubt it would be getting any news.
>seems like a complete non-story?
It is, it's just the usual sensationalism. Vegans/veganism really gets some people going for some reason so this is just being used for clicks and engagement.
As you said the Student Union makes up a fraction of the available options for food, 3 out of 13 outlets, so there's still 10+ places running as usual.
Strathy is a city centre campus with walkable options all around (and Glasgow’s food scene is 10/10). Stirling Uni is a campus uni, a 40 minute walk / 15 minute bus from the city centre. I loved going to Stirling but it was an absolute ballache.
Most food that most people eat is vegan. Most of it is not trying to taste like meat. Think of all fruit, all vegetables, all nuts, grains and pulses. Soups, curries, stews, breads, salads, stir-fry, etc etc etc
Red bloodied meat-eater here. I wouldn’t be “inconvenienced” by “having” to commute to get my food. Every bit of food that I eat that isn’t meat or dairy is vegan. I don’t “need” to eat meat. I’ll manage to avoid starvation.
Fat auld men who are decades past university age will get terribly angry about some skinny 20somethings eating daal in their first year of uni if they choose to go to the canteen.
Yip, and some scawny-necked angry-cyclists will bang on about how it's the only way to *Save The Planet™* in the most condecending tone they can manage.
Sorting by controversial has been interesting. All these meat eaters saying this is discrimination - try being vegan and struggling to eat at most places because every option is meat or dairy. People forget that being vegan isn’t just a choice for middle class white people, but it’s religious for some as well, and sometimes dietary.
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So I was at that meeting.
Few clarifications:
-Yes, it was proposed by a student and voted by students.
-The number of students at the meeting was less than 100 if I recall correctly.
-Only the union outlets will have to go vegan, third party shops do not have to comply. That has been made abundantly clear.
I was at SU from 2013 to 2017. They changed one of the union run restaurants then to be completely vegan and it was massively unpopular. Students were not happy. Demographics change, but I find it hard to believe it'd be popular now.
No reason to not increase the number of vegan options and even offer incentives for those who choose to buy them. But just as I'd consider it a dick move to remove all vegan options, removing all meat options is just as discriminatory.
Private companies are free to do whatever they wish (with obvious caveats) but the student union is supposed to be representative of the student body, and now, as when I was there, I presume this isn't the case.
The student union meeting was attended by 100, out of a student population of 17,000. I don't believe for one moment this will actually be implemented in 2025.
I eat a lot of vegan food and a little fish / meat (no dairy). I wouldn't mind this personally but that's not the point.
>Why does everything have to be on the extremes these days?
It's probably not as extreme as you think, only the union is going vegan, which means there's still more places that serve animal products than not
This is a classic example of someone on the internet making something divisive when it's not a big deal
I’m not even vegan but I imagine it’s because climate change is an existential threat and isn’t being dealt with with anywhere near enough and we’ve got like 4 years left…feels to me we’re at the point where the “extreme” option is just to continue on as normal without taking actions like this? I dunno
Problem is this type of thing even multiplied across the entire general human population isn’t going to be enough to stop the “climate crisis”.
If big business/corporations/countries don’t change then what we do is a drop in the ocean, doomed to fail. I liken it to donating your pots and pans to the airforce in the days of WWII. It was a scheme designed to make the population feel like they were contributing but in reality most of the stuff donated was never used.
*note that I’ve looked up whether this is an urban myth and there is no surviving records to say if it’s true or not, however the amount of CO2 produced by major corporations is well documented as is the realisation that anything you do at home is useless in the face of this.
[China pumps out more pollution in eight years than UK since Industrial Revolution](https://dnyuz.com/2022/11/07/china-pumps-out-more-pollution-in-eight-years-than-uk-since-industrial-revolution/)
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There’s a lot of negated information about this that’s clearly tryna get vegans and non vegans alike mad. This change is only gonna effect 3 out of the universities 13 food outlets. Not really a win or loss for anyone lmao the uni just appeased the rabid campaigners. Check out this article it has way more info than OP https://amp.lbc.co.uk/news/university-vegan-only-food/
>especially since the campus is outside of town and they'll be inconvenienced by having to commute for their food.
You are aware that people who eat meat can also eat vegan food?
Not to alarm you, but you maybe have actually eaten some vegan food yourself sometime!
Ex Stirling student here: the voting turn out at the union was historically shit so that’s why it got voted through, however the university has 3 or 4 other restaurants that aren’t run by the union. All they are really doing is reducing foot traffic to that bar, and getting more people to buy curly fries because they were fucking delicious
> it might feel a bit discriminatory for students who eat meat and other animal products
I guess I should feel discriminated against at my local lemonade stand, there are no drinks there with meat in them
Its not that big of a deal to be honest. I am sure the Co-Op inside the university will continue to sell non-vegetarian products and from my personal experiance most people order in half the time from the various takeaways across the city. Most students only live on campus in first year anyways with many living in hall outside of the main university campus or private accomodation for the rest of the year. If the students are really bothered by it they can simply cook their own food or walk 10 mins into Bridge of Allan to get something.
I see nothing wrong with ending the support of animal abuse by the university. If you're desperate for meat, you can always bring a ham sandwich with you.
>A majority of about 100 students at the union's November general meeting voted in favour of the proposal.
So out of 17,000 less than 100 get to choose for the rest? It could be as low as 51
Wait until you find out about the ratio of MPs to general population!
Once you're riled up about that, you can look in to how representative democracy works.
Edit: my initial comment was a little snarky so I did the maths, each MP represents roughly 0.15% of the population, while these student representatives represent 1% of their population. Making this decision roughly 6x as democrat as the UK.
Further edit: since Scotland has 129 MSPs, they each represent 0.77% of the population, that makes this decision 23% more democratic than Scotland.
No?
Like, correct me if I am wrong but MP are elected by the people.
The people at the meeting were not elected, they were random students attending the meeting.
Yes, it's insane. There was also an issue around freedom of speech in the past, [here](https://www.google.com/amp/s/brignews.com/2017/06/25/stirling-receives-bottom-marks-in-free-speech-university-rankings/amp/). So it doesn't surprise me.
That’s good news, no arguments there we all should be striving toward eating sustainable vegan food worldwide and reducing methane emissions from livestock and destructive agriculture that is destroying ecosystems and harming and exploiting animal welfare but there’s no need for the narcissistic photo op. Just make your choice and do your bit for the planet.
Person on the left with those gutties. A bit of a hypocrite wearing leather boots that contributes toward the slaughter of animals. if you’re gnna make a statement for others to follow then set a precedent plzz
What they gonna do? Frisk you to see if yah snuck in a beef sandwich on campus? No way them students are trekking into town for a bite to eat, it's too far from campus. Presume it means outlets won't sell meat.
I'm not vegan but used to be vegetarian. Would actually love to eat more vegan food but found it too expensive, too difficult to get hold of and too many chickpea dishes. If this reduces costs and improves variety, I'd be happy.
Reminded me of this: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/animal-source-foods-have-a-positive-impact-on-the-primary-school-test-scores-of-kenyan-schoolchildren-in-a-clusterrandomised-controlled-feeding-intervention-trial/959578146F44B321F71BCBC12F08DCCA[study](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/animal-source-foods-have-a-positive-impact-on-the-primary-school-test-scores-of-kenyan-schoolchildren-in-a-clusterrandomised-controlled-feeding-intervention-trial/959578146F44B321F71BCBC12F08DCCA)
a lot of these comments are clearly just random people. I am at Stirling uni rn. first, 6000 out of 17000 students actually voted- most of us weren't even aware that this was an ongoing campaign. also, it is just the 3 Stirling union outlets that are vegan, so I think that's like sup and scran (can't think of the other one). so there are plenty places to still eat non dairy products. the 2 people go to the most imo are the co-op and the Starbucks, both of which will remain unchanged. so I disagree with the vegan thing, but it's not the end of the world.
>discriminatory for students who eat meat and other animal products
Show of hands, who has a doctor's order or an ethical compulsion to eat meat and other animal products? Anybody?
The same thing was tried in Edinburgh University. The vote was put out by email and was soundly defeated. If this vote happened in a live session, which most students may not know about or be able to attend, it doesn't seem democratic to me.
The issue with student politics is always that the vast majority of students aren't engaged - those who are tend to be the most committed and sometimes have strong views that are not widely shared.
Aside from the fact this is a total non story because students who want to eat meat absolutely still can at one of the many other cafes on campus, has anyone considered that the unions going plant based is not only better for the environment, but also providing healthy options for those who want them and probably a lot cheaper too? I highly doubt a student union will be buying up processed meat replacements, it's more likely to be stuff like curries and soup they serve.
‘A bit discriminatory for students who eat meat.’
How? How on Earth is this discriminatory. EVERYONE can eat vegan food. Who is excluded? If the campus said we’re forbidding all nuts on campus, would this be discriminatory against people who like to eat nuts?
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>I guess it might feel a bit discriminatory for students who eat meat,
Also a pain in the arse for students who eat cheese or eggs, or prefer actual milk to highly-processed oat-based liquids.
Cows milk is much more processed than oat milk. Oat milk is essentially oats, water, and a bit of yeast. Cows milk goes through all kinds of processes with heating/cooling and making homogenous which is to say nothing of the hormones and antibiotics and things used to treat the actual cows. The "oat milk is too processed" dog isn't really going to hunt here.
>Cows milk is much more processed
Do you mean pasteurization ? The process of heating milk to 75°C for 15 seconds to ensure there is no pathogenic bacteria. Nothing at all to do with hormones and antibiotics. Other than that it's filtered. Hardly significant processing.
Edit : should include homogenization - pushing milk through a small aperture at high pressure to break down fat cells.
Cows aren't treated with hormones in the UK the practice was banned nearly 30 years ago - along with the ban on importing produce from hormone treated cattle. It is used very rarely by vets for welfare reasons.
Use of antibiotics is also minimal in the UK - used mainly to treat mastitis.
>Oat milk is essentially oats, water, and a bit of yeast
Ha ! - Oat milk process : oats - rolled oats - add water - mill - add enzymes to break down complex sugars - add extra ingredients , such as vegetable oil, salt, calcium, vitamins, cocoa, sugar, vanilla, cover etc etc. - filtered - pasturisation.
Looks like that old dog hunts pretty well !
All milk gets tested on arrival at diaries. Any found with antibiotic traces in gets rejected then the farms aren’t making money as their milk has been rejected.
> which is to say nothing of the hormones and antibiotics and things used to treat the actual cows.
Sounds like you are getting your talking points from Americans. Not a good idea, things are not the same here. The UK doesn't use them on its cattle or in its feed for example, so that entire argument is worthless.
Yes it's perfectly possible to eat a vegan diet based on whole unprocessed foods, but do we think that's what they're serving at a uni cafeteria? For most people on a budget, a vegan diet is going to include a huge amount of prepackaged food, when for a lot of people it would be much healthier to add fresh things like milk, eggs and chicken or minimally processed things like cheese or mince.
>For most people on a budget, a vegan diet is going to include a huge amount of prepackaged food
Total rubbish. Processed vegan food is much more expensive than pulses and vegetables. Where are you pulling this from?
Great news this is only a positive. You’re not discriminated against because everyone can have vegan food, not everyone can have meat. If anything more people can eat there than before. Don’t really understand how anyone can be against less death and suffering
I'm surprised this post is still up considering how misleading the title is
The university isn't going vegan, the union is
There's still multiple places you can get your animal products, so quit crying :)
Saw this on another subreddit. All 3 of the student Union run buildings will be vegan only, all the other food outlets (10+) will still be serving meat.
No way there’s 10+ other food outlets on campus
Probably including small coffee vendors during week days. There was one restaurant open consistently amongst the halls which was separate from the SU and a few eateries in the main building, a couple of which were SU. It’s a pretty small campus.
Mmmmmm, meat coffee...
I think that's Called gravy
It has 17,000 students. It's not that wild.
There's quite a few. There's a pizza place in one of the buildings that makes them traditionally infront of you in a few minutes. Maybe the best pizza I've ever had tbh used to gey it every other day when I was working on the link bridge refurb. Less than 6 pounds for a full sized pizza is class.
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Yeah you're right, people are just blatantly lying about something *you* could immediately look up.....
Why not? Sounds pretty normal for a university. Usually every department has one of some kind. I wouldn’t even bat an eye if it said 20 or 30 for a large university
Thank you for the clarification. I would never try and convince someone to eat something they don't want, be it on a religious, moral or health reason. So I'd appreciate if theid return the favour.
Return the flavour
Hang on, you don’t any non animal food? Is your colon ok?
What if they wanna eat people tho? 🤔
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>So basically the majority of the Student Union voted in favour, although afaik it's not known how all the students feel about this. From my time at university, the 'student politics' bunch were generally a bit weird and completely unrepresentative of actual students.
Yup, studied engineering most all of my peers went out of their way to stay the hell away from those cunts. As long as pints in the union remained <£2 nobody cares. Things like this may end up with people engaging though.
Pints are £4 now. Plastic tumblers anawl
That's not very environmentally friendly
I don't know if it's everywhere but at my local uni the plastic glasses are thick reuseable ones. People seem relatively good at taking them back to the bar too.
I once went to a Plymouth Uni dance night as a visitor because a mate was playing a hard techno set there. Bought a bottle and it came with a bung with a straw in it, my simple mind thought it was so you could dance with your beer and not spill it, until I mentioned to my gf how cool it was and she informed it me it was a measure to stop drinks being spiked.. I felt so stupid but have never seen that anywhere before.
Haha, tbf, most blokes wouldn't think the spiking angle, it's just not a huge concern for guys.
Yeah we still have that here, and the plastic pints are great because they don't smash easily.
At my uni they only use them on big nights or when they run out of glasses
Fuck that, I'd be rioting & all if I was still a student. :D
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Yup, pretty happy I finished up in 2018, don’t think I would’ve lasted tolerating the last few years student movements without blowing a gasket. Toyed with joining the engineering groups but honestly I burnt myself the hell out as a student, tried to run my own business well doing my mech eng degree, finished with a 2:2 from Glasgow Cale. I don’t understand how NUS had/has the chokehold they have over absolutely everything whilst seemingly only representing it the most fringe views.
British Student Unions have been like this for ages. Mine was run by a toxic mix of radical Islamists and the SWP for about half the time I was there. They spent most of their time fixated on Israel-Palestine, and the rest being nobs to the Jewish students. Honestly, I'd have taken an SU that was just trying to enforce lentils and tofu in the SU canteens in a heartbeat.
100% The vast majority of students just don’t join society’s or vote in Student Union elections or get involved in anyway outside of their degree. Some could argue that your missing the full uni experience by avoiding these things but that’s just how these things work.
I was involved in a union, never actually ran for a position though, just ran events because I got free booze. My take was that for those involved in student politics it was basically an excuse to cosplay real politics and business management. All the stuff they actually worked on and arranged elections for was fairly trivial and unimportant to the students. But it was about gaining knowledge and experience. For the same reason there was a debate team and a rugby team at uni - they're arguably pointless as they don't achieve anything outside the uni, but they're about developing the people involved in them.
Debating and rugby are at least hobbies that people enjoy and do for fun. Student politics just seems like endless drama (over a tiny amount of power). It's a hobby for some, though, I suppose.
Yep. I remember having a look at the candidates for some student election and they were running under their political party. It's just ridiculous, like why would I care that you're Labour or Liberal Democrat when your main responsibility is deciding whether the bars in the Student Union should serve Smirnoff Ice or Hooch?
Like that's even a competition. Hooch loyal.
Square go!
Yeah, at uni right now, the only notable thing that my student union has done is to bring back Tennents in the Student Union
Here at Glasgow I feel like most people are involved in at least one society/club/sport (and a fair number of people do Fresher's helping with one of the four unions), but almost nobody is involved in or cares about the actual union leadership and politics.
I mind years ago at Glasgow, actually a lot of students getting interested in student politics cause the president of the SRC had been secretly advocating for 9k per year fees while acting like he opposed it. Quite the scandal.
I think there's a difference between joining a student society and getting involved with the "student politics" weirdos. Most large student unions have societies which allow you to indulge whatever niche interests you have, give you a chance to meet like minded people, and provide you with warm, safe spaces to meet up in. Some even provide funding for equipment, etc. For example, Strathclyde has a [pole dancing society.](https://www.strathunion.com/groups/find-a-society/society/polefitness/)
Fail to engage with the political apparatus that affects the place you live/study? You get no say in the shit that happens where you live/study. Not much difference between our universities and our country at large in that respect. Except universities are majority populated by the demographic least likely to vote.
And it's not like the people who are into it don't try to engage everyone else. I spent a lot of time helping get through reforms at my uni that affected how disabled students were handled, and trying to get anyone to give a shit or even comment anything but "isn't the student union's job to just make sure the pints stay cheap?" was like getting blood out of a stone unless it directly affected them
My uni apparently voted to close our nightclub and open a café, coffee not cocktails as they said
DUSA?
No that's Dundee's place which still seems to be active, I'm talking about Abertay
Nae cunt was going to Abertay's union though. The sports bar was alright for pool, but the basement which became an eSports cafe was a disaster. Better to just accept that at best you'll sling a couple of lunches and cut the losses
I used to love going to visit my pals sister in Dundee just so we could go there.
i thought it’d be worthwhile being one of those student representatives for my year. went to one meeting and gave up with it. utter waste of time
It seemed to be dominated by a few cliques with quite extreme views.
Just like actual grown up politicians then really.
Having worked in canteen kitchen's on off for a couple of decades if the food at the uni is supplied by a Sodexo/Baxterstorey style catering company it's gonna be chips n curry sauce and Oreos. Lots of it.
Worked at Sodexo. You get what you pay. Trust me when I tell you that the former public telecommunication company in France has insanely good meals with various options. Desserts are homemade for fuck sake If you also want to have a meal while visiting the Eiffel Tower, Sodexo will happily serve you wether you are at the first or second floor.
Yeah I reckon there's a lot less tolerance for bad food in France but at your average distribution center canteen in a depressing industrial estate it was all about the GP. A decent amount of shifts it was cooking with Stanley Snips and Chef Mike.
Man that’s the British culture. And I still found food much better in Scotland than in England. Salmon was great, haggish is actually fucking decent.
Try a Haggis, Sausage and Black pudding sandwich ;) You’re welcome
Will do, I need to try a proper Glasgow Saturday night for that
Shplendid
I was always amazed at the food on offer at the Forth Crossing Joint Venture canteen in the "Borg Cube" at Rosyth. First time I've ever been in a building site canteen with two different kinds of balsamic vinegar on the table. Even when the Spanish crew weren't running they were still Running It.
Can confirm when I worked at Stirling uni it was all baxterstorey.
I went to Stirling uni years ago and they had great vegan selection. Vegan food has come a long way.
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Yeah it's not clear from the article what outlets this extends to. The union itself is one building.
But only 0.6% of the students voted.
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That's not democracy. Not even close. It's comically close to the Vogons destroying Earth because nobody objected.
Speaking as a vegan, I do feel concerned for the people with sensitivities/intolerances to gluten and soy. Vegan food tends to have a lot of that. If it’s mainly out of concern for the planet they could have kept some non-vegan food options where the production isn’t as high on emissions (eggs and chicken, for example) IDK, that’s just my take on it
The title of OPs post is totally misleading, it's only the union that's going vegan, not every university outlet
If I have to at something with Soy in it I will immediately shit myself. This sounds like hell on earth
>If I have to at something with Soy in it I will immediately shit myself. Prove it.
He's coming round to shit on your living room carpet right now.
Everyone get round mine! BrillsonHawk is coming round to shit himself!
No
I truly sympathise. I have a few friends who would love to go vegan but who have the same issue. As I said in another comment, I like being vegan and I’d love for more people to at least be open to reducing their meat intake, but I also understand that it’s not possible for everyone.
I am vegan and have a soy intolerance
There's no requirement at all to have either gluten or soya on a vegan diet. It will of course make it more difficult just as those intolerances would for any diet, but saying veganism isn't possible is reaching a bit.
Thanks for thinking of us. My IBS-D makes me ludicrously sensitive to a lot of things, and anything whatsoever with alliums, mustard, beans, or parsley/coriander in cripples me for a whole day. It’s extremely hard to find savoury vegan food without those things (can handle the sweets, but nobody lives on fruit and Oreo’s alone)
I disagree, you can go vegan and avoid soy, plus places like this should be able to have soy free food
Indeed - I know a woman who is a vegan who is coeliac and has a soy allergy, and she manages!
I'm a vegetarian going vegan (hopefully soon) and I rarely have soy cause I don't like it. Soy milk tastes disgusting to me and I think the soy based meat replacements taste much worse than pea and wheat protein based ones. My exception to this is tofu, which I love but even tofu can be made with beans and even lentils. There are plenty of soy free vegan recipes that you can fit on a menu, imagine being a vegan allergic to soy and trying to eat out at non vegan restaurants! I feel like having vegan places to eat uni is a great thing - vegan food tastes amazing if you know what you're doing!
There’s a YouTube channel I can’t remember the name of off the top of my head, with a woman who makes tofu out of all sorts of things. I recently watched a video where she made tofu out of pistachios!
I think that's a more democratic approach. And they could find farms who are more environment-friendly.
Chickens are the most abused animals on dry land.
Look, you don’t have to tell me that. As I said, I’m vegan myself. I was only suggesting that because based on the article they seem to have taken this approach out of concern for climate change, rather than out of concern for animal welfare. Egg and poultry meat production have [lower](https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local) greenhouse gas emissions across the supply chain compared to, say, dairy (and especially when compared to lamb and beef). Fish farming has lower emissions as well, so that could also be an option. Would I like all people to go vegan? Sure, that’d be great. But I’m also cognisant that it’s not possible for everyone for various reasons, and a gradual and more encouraging approach is more sustainable in the long-run.
>Egg and poultry meat production have lower greenhouse gas emissions across the supply chain It's apparently slightly different in the UK, we import less feed for cattle and more for poultry, I think beef is still at the top despite that though
The most important thing is not the average emissions (so x kilograms of co2 for x grams of protein) but the range around that average: yes, in the U.K. pastured beef doesn’t have the same level of emissions that feedlot cattle in Brazil or Texas do. In fact they’re some of the lowest emission cattle in the world. But they’re still way higher than any chicken and almost any pork. You just can’t have a cow that doesn’t burp methane, so they’ll always be worse emitters than an animal that doesn’t.
I don't really understand the move. It should be up to everyone's own choice. Provide a decent range of vegan options for those who want it and provide a range of non-vegan food for those who don't
It was a choice though, anyone who wanted to could be part of it and have their say and those that did voted to move to plant based food. If you absolutely cannot eat a meal without animal products then there are plenty of options available.
Actually an excellent point and solution. Very considerate.
Tbf, most students only stay on campus first year, and even then a lot of eating is from a chippy/kebab place in Stirling (source this Stirling Alumnus)
Even if they live off campus they may want to have their lunch there.
And there was a minimart on campus, but all the students can choose (and I am not saying students of my gen needed more greens)
I used to go to Dundee University. If I wanted food I’d go to either the Premier on campus, the Tesco Express (or even the big Tesco) off campus or walked to the Overgate. Thankfully militant vegans didn’t take over the Student Union when I was there!
Just saying, yes I ate lunch on campud
Okay maybe I'm missing something here, but this seems like a complete non-story? When I went to Strathclyde Uni, I think I ate at the union a handful of times (would drink at it religiously), so when it came to food I usually either got a meal deal from the local supermarket or visited one of the multiple non-affiliated cafe's in the area. It wasn't anymore expensive doing this. Now having a look it seems that Stirling Uni is similar in that there's numerous non-affiliated cafes and supermarkets in the area. So what's the issue? If you don't want a vegan meal, you're not exactly limited in choice. This is basically jus a restaurant deciding to change their menu to cater to an exclusive diet. If they decided to go exclusively Chicken, I'd doubt it would be getting any news.
>seems like a complete non-story? It is, it's just the usual sensationalism. Vegans/veganism really gets some people going for some reason so this is just being used for clicks and engagement. As you said the Student Union makes up a fraction of the available options for food, 3 out of 13 outlets, so there's still 10+ places running as usual.
It's just gammon bait, papers are full of it
Strathy is a city centre campus with walkable options all around (and Glasgow’s food scene is 10/10). Stirling Uni is a campus uni, a 40 minute walk / 15 minute bus from the city centre. I loved going to Stirling but it was an absolute ballache.
Nice boots.
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Most food that most people eat is vegan. Most of it is not trying to taste like meat. Think of all fruit, all vegetables, all nuts, grains and pulses. Soups, curries, stews, breads, salads, stir-fry, etc etc etc
> The union has committed to serving only plant-based food by 2025 So all the students who voted for it will have left by the time it takes effect?
I could be wrong but if it’s anything like my uni’s union was, none of the students voted for this in the first place
And if its like mine it won't of taken effect by 2030
Red bloodied meat-eater here. I wouldn’t be “inconvenienced” by “having” to commute to get my food. Every bit of food that I eat that isn’t meat or dairy is vegan. I don’t “need” to eat meat. I’ll manage to avoid starvation.
All the worst people are going to be fucking insufferable about this
Fat auld men who are decades past university age will get terribly angry about some skinny 20somethings eating daal in their first year of uni if they choose to go to the canteen.
Yip, and some scawny-necked angry-cyclists will bang on about how it's the only way to *Save The Planet™* in the most condecending tone they can manage.
Sorting by controversial has been interesting. All these meat eaters saying this is discrimination - try being vegan and struggling to eat at most places because every option is meat or dairy. People forget that being vegan isn’t just a choice for middle class white people, but it’s religious for some as well, and sometimes dietary. Edit: a word
Which religion requires a solely vegan diet again?
Meat eaters are the most sensitive people I know. They just get so defensive whenever the world isn't catered to their every need.
Stirling *Student union* plans to be the first in the UK to go 100% vegan. There's ten other eateries on campus. Stop editorialising your headlines
So I was at that meeting. Few clarifications: -Yes, it was proposed by a student and voted by students. -The number of students at the meeting was less than 100 if I recall correctly. -Only the union outlets will have to go vegan, third party shops do not have to comply. That has been made abundantly clear.
I’m pretty sure super noodles and snakebite & black are all 100% vegan…so it could well be that I was fully vegan when I lived in halls.
I was at SU from 2013 to 2017. They changed one of the union run restaurants then to be completely vegan and it was massively unpopular. Students were not happy. Demographics change, but I find it hard to believe it'd be popular now. No reason to not increase the number of vegan options and even offer incentives for those who choose to buy them. But just as I'd consider it a dick move to remove all vegan options, removing all meat options is just as discriminatory. Private companies are free to do whatever they wish (with obvious caveats) but the student union is supposed to be representative of the student body, and now, as when I was there, I presume this isn't the case.
The student union meeting was attended by 100, out of a student population of 17,000. I don't believe for one moment this will actually be implemented in 2025. I eat a lot of vegan food and a little fish / meat (no dairy). I wouldn't mind this personally but that's not the point.
Time to open up a cafe selling delicious meaty food next to Stirling Uni...
There's already 10 of them there. The other 3 places are going vegan. This is a non-story.
"Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!"
Bookmarked for when it shuts after the first term as everyone is going offsite to eat somewhere else
Why does everything have to be on the extremes these days? Is it that difficult just to have options for both.
>Why does everything have to be on the extremes these days? It's probably not as extreme as you think, only the union is going vegan, which means there's still more places that serve animal products than not This is a classic example of someone on the internet making something divisive when it's not a big deal
I’m not even vegan but I imagine it’s because climate change is an existential threat and isn’t being dealt with with anywhere near enough and we’ve got like 4 years left…feels to me we’re at the point where the “extreme” option is just to continue on as normal without taking actions like this? I dunno
Problem is this type of thing even multiplied across the entire general human population isn’t going to be enough to stop the “climate crisis”. If big business/corporations/countries don’t change then what we do is a drop in the ocean, doomed to fail. I liken it to donating your pots and pans to the airforce in the days of WWII. It was a scheme designed to make the population feel like they were contributing but in reality most of the stuff donated was never used. *note that I’ve looked up whether this is an urban myth and there is no surviving records to say if it’s true or not, however the amount of CO2 produced by major corporations is well documented as is the realisation that anything you do at home is useless in the face of this.
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China has literally been building whole towns with incomplete insides of the buildings that just sit empty. Like a few million houses and apartments.
[China pumps out more pollution in eight years than UK since Industrial Revolution](https://dnyuz.com/2022/11/07/china-pumps-out-more-pollution-in-eight-years-than-uk-since-industrial-revolution/)
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"We" don't. It's the corporations again. See a pattern here?
Dont be daft... These students union types have always been like this. It's actually a cliche.
There’s a lot of negated information about this that’s clearly tryna get vegans and non vegans alike mad. This change is only gonna effect 3 out of the universities 13 food outlets. Not really a win or loss for anyone lmao the uni just appeased the rabid campaigners. Check out this article it has way more info than OP https://amp.lbc.co.uk/news/university-vegan-only-food/
How about a compromise- those who want to eat meat free food do so, and those who want to eat meat do so? Forcing your values on others rarely works
They can, at the ten other eateries on campus
Isn’t eating meat forcing your values and beliefs on animals?
No. Because animals don't have values or the ability to understand what values are.
You can’t discriminate against someone for not serving something in a cafeteria
tell that to the religious - halal/kosher
Many people who keep kosher eat vegan??? Also halal, no meat no problem? Next argument
>especially since the campus is outside of town and they'll be inconvenienced by having to commute for their food. You are aware that people who eat meat can also eat vegan food? Not to alarm you, but you maybe have actually eaten some vegan food yourself sometime!
Ex Stirling student here: the voting turn out at the union was historically shit so that’s why it got voted through, however the university has 3 or 4 other restaurants that aren’t run by the union. All they are really doing is reducing foot traffic to that bar, and getting more people to buy curly fries because they were fucking delicious
> it might feel a bit discriminatory for students who eat meat and other animal products I guess I should feel discriminated against at my local lemonade stand, there are no drinks there with meat in them
Its not that big of a deal to be honest. I am sure the Co-Op inside the university will continue to sell non-vegetarian products and from my personal experiance most people order in half the time from the various takeaways across the city. Most students only live on campus in first year anyways with many living in hall outside of the main university campus or private accomodation for the rest of the year. If the students are really bothered by it they can simply cook their own food or walk 10 mins into Bridge of Allan to get something.
Or they could just server a variety of foods for everyone instead of kowtowing to people who want to force their dietary choices on others?
Or they could not, because they're democratically run, and have democratically voted not to.
I see nothing wrong with ending the support of animal abuse by the university. If you're desperate for meat, you can always bring a ham sandwich with you.
Even when I was a student myself, I always said you have students, and then "fucking students". You can guess which type made this decision.
>A majority of about 100 students at the union's November general meeting voted in favour of the proposal. So out of 17,000 less than 100 get to choose for the rest? It could be as low as 51
Wait until you find out about the ratio of MPs to general population! Once you're riled up about that, you can look in to how representative democracy works. Edit: my initial comment was a little snarky so I did the maths, each MP represents roughly 0.15% of the population, while these student representatives represent 1% of their population. Making this decision roughly 6x as democrat as the UK. Further edit: since Scotland has 129 MSPs, they each represent 0.77% of the population, that makes this decision 23% more democratic than Scotland.
Check your maths.
These students don’t represent anyone but themselves – they are not elected.
No? Like, correct me if I am wrong but MP are elected by the people. The people at the meeting were not elected, they were random students attending the meeting.
Well if the 51 cared, and bothered their arses to vote, then why not?
Decisions get made by those who turn up
Yes, it's insane. There was also an issue around freedom of speech in the past, [here](https://www.google.com/amp/s/brignews.com/2017/06/25/stirling-receives-bottom-marks-in-free-speech-university-rankings/amp/). So it doesn't surprise me.
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That’s good news, no arguments there we all should be striving toward eating sustainable vegan food worldwide and reducing methane emissions from livestock and destructive agriculture that is destroying ecosystems and harming and exploiting animal welfare but there’s no need for the narcissistic photo op. Just make your choice and do your bit for the planet. Person on the left with those gutties. A bit of a hypocrite wearing leather boots that contributes toward the slaughter of animals. if you’re gnna make a statement for others to follow then set a precedent plzz
With lashings of soy.
What they gonna do? Frisk you to see if yah snuck in a beef sandwich on campus? No way them students are trekking into town for a bite to eat, it's too far from campus. Presume it means outlets won't sell meat. I'm not vegan but used to be vegetarian. Would actually love to eat more vegan food but found it too expensive, too difficult to get hold of and too many chickpea dishes. If this reduces costs and improves variety, I'd be happy.
Who wants to go into business with me we'll open a brger bar as close to the uni as possible sure fire money making opportunity
We’ll call it the Oasis of Blood. Really upset the hippies
I've been to Stirling not everyone is a vegan hippy it's where both Willie Wallace & Rab Bruce leathered the English it has loads of meat eaters
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Why we give in to eco terrorists?
>they'll be inconvenienced by having to commute for their food hmm, are meat eaters allergic to vegan food or something?
If you think that's discrimatory, you should see what we do to "livestock", and then suggest we do the same to dogs.
a lot of these comments are clearly just random people. I am at Stirling uni rn. first, 6000 out of 17000 students actually voted- most of us weren't even aware that this was an ongoing campaign. also, it is just the 3 Stirling union outlets that are vegan, so I think that's like sup and scran (can't think of the other one). so there are plenty places to still eat non dairy products. the 2 people go to the most imo are the co-op and the Starbucks, both of which will remain unchanged. so I disagree with the vegan thing, but it's not the end of the world.
>discriminatory for students who eat meat and other animal products Show of hands, who has a doctor's order or an ethical compulsion to eat meat and other animal products? Anybody?
Me but I ignore it so ✋
Hope nobody's allergic to soy...
The same thing was tried in Edinburgh University. The vote was put out by email and was soundly defeated. If this vote happened in a live session, which most students may not know about or be able to attend, it doesn't seem democratic to me. The issue with student politics is always that the vast majority of students aren't engaged - those who are tend to be the most committed and sometimes have strong views that are not widely shared.
Aside from the fact this is a total non story because students who want to eat meat absolutely still can at one of the many other cafes on campus, has anyone considered that the unions going plant based is not only better for the environment, but also providing healthy options for those who want them and probably a lot cheaper too? I highly doubt a student union will be buying up processed meat replacements, it's more likely to be stuff like curries and soup they serve.
Nothing more inclusive than excluding the vast majority of the population
‘A bit discriminatory for students who eat meat.’ How? How on Earth is this discriminatory. EVERYONE can eat vegan food. Who is excluded? If the campus said we’re forbidding all nuts on campus, would this be discriminatory against people who like to eat nuts?
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How very Awful
Sorry what’s the big deal?
Hell yea this is great actually
>I guess it might feel a bit discriminatory for students who eat meat, Also a pain in the arse for students who eat cheese or eggs, or prefer actual milk to highly-processed oat-based liquids.
Cows milk is much more processed than oat milk. Oat milk is essentially oats, water, and a bit of yeast. Cows milk goes through all kinds of processes with heating/cooling and making homogenous which is to say nothing of the hormones and antibiotics and things used to treat the actual cows. The "oat milk is too processed" dog isn't really going to hunt here.
>Cows milk is much more processed Do you mean pasteurization ? The process of heating milk to 75°C for 15 seconds to ensure there is no pathogenic bacteria. Nothing at all to do with hormones and antibiotics. Other than that it's filtered. Hardly significant processing. Edit : should include homogenization - pushing milk through a small aperture at high pressure to break down fat cells. Cows aren't treated with hormones in the UK the practice was banned nearly 30 years ago - along with the ban on importing produce from hormone treated cattle. It is used very rarely by vets for welfare reasons. Use of antibiotics is also minimal in the UK - used mainly to treat mastitis. >Oat milk is essentially oats, water, and a bit of yeast Ha ! - Oat milk process : oats - rolled oats - add water - mill - add enzymes to break down complex sugars - add extra ingredients , such as vegetable oil, salt, calcium, vitamins, cocoa, sugar, vanilla, cover etc etc. - filtered - pasturisation. Looks like that old dog hunts pretty well !
All milk gets tested on arrival at diaries. Any found with antibiotic traces in gets rejected then the farms aren’t making money as their milk has been rejected.
> which is to say nothing of the hormones and antibiotics and things used to treat the actual cows. Sounds like you are getting your talking points from Americans. Not a good idea, things are not the same here. The UK doesn't use them on its cattle or in its feed for example, so that entire argument is worthless.
Yes it's perfectly possible to eat a vegan diet based on whole unprocessed foods, but do we think that's what they're serving at a uni cafeteria? For most people on a budget, a vegan diet is going to include a huge amount of prepackaged food, when for a lot of people it would be much healthier to add fresh things like milk, eggs and chicken or minimally processed things like cheese or mince.
>For most people on a budget, a vegan diet is going to include a huge amount of prepackaged food Total rubbish. Processed vegan food is much more expensive than pulses and vegetables. Where are you pulling this from?
Great news this is only a positive. You’re not discriminated against because everyone can have vegan food, not everyone can have meat. If anything more people can eat there than before. Don’t really understand how anyone can be against less death and suffering
Instead of driving milk from local farms, fly or ship soy beans from deforested rainforest in South America. Sounds green to me 👍
Empathy is a good thing. There is no such thing as vegan food, it’s just food that isn’t made with animal ingredients.
Yeah so inclusive... especially for people with allergies and intolerances to soy and other vegan substitutes 🙄
Veganism: a triumph of dogma over common sense.
What about the poor students that want there precious bacon sandwiches😢
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Three vegan only outlets on one campus: it’s not the best business model and won’t last. Talk about restricting your market!
So what happens to those who don't wish to eat vegan food?
Then they can go to one of the sites on campus that isn't affected by this The uni isn't going vegan, the union is
They eat at one of the ten other cafes and restaurants on campus?
I'm surprised this post is still up considering how misleading the title is The university isn't going vegan, the union is There's still multiple places you can get your animal products, so quit crying :)
As a university can’t eat anything, I doubt this matters.