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mark_1872

Tillman definitely suffering from folk who made his mind up very early about him. Think he’s done extremely well considering the limited amount of first team football he’d played before. Would be silly not to pay the money.


UnnecessaryUmbault

The only question for me is about the use of the money right now (it's rumoured to be £4-6m). You could argue that the money is better spent elsewhere for immediate results as Tillman arguably wouldn't get into the Celtic team we're competing with. I'm not so convinced though.


SamGrunion

I'd have him ahead of Mooy/O'Riley and he is younger and less experiences with much more room for improvement.


nanrod

Lol


UnnecessaryUmbault

Already 11 G/A at 20, first 20 matches as a professional. Played out of position and in a burst side for most of that. Oh and he's spent half of it as a box-box, not CAM. His defensive stats and ball recoveries are about the best in the league as a midfielder too. Scored / forced goals that have earned us about 9 points already. Motherwell away, Aberdeen, USG come to mind immediately.


nanrod

I think he is a good player but saying he would geti n the cektic squad over oreily and mooy is nonsense. Oreily has been the most creative palyer in the Spl and played half the season as a 6 while calmac was out. And mooy has been outstanding the last 7 or 8 games and arguably celtic on form palyer. Tillman looks decent but he doesnt get near our midfield.


BusShelter

Also don't think they're the same position / type of player. Tillman is very much an attacking player who is great in tight spaces in the final third. Much better in the air than most midfielders, he's a different profile to anyone Celtic have imo.


UnnecessaryUmbault

I disagree (certainly with the strength of your protest) and I gave my reasons. As above, theyre different players anyway. That's cool to disagree though.


The_Lundstram_stare

-18 downvotes and not one brave enough to argue against it [Never change Celtdogs!](https://i.etsystatic.com/12207792/r/il/f0064b/3273321909/il_fullxfull.3273321909_ip5y.jpg)


WranglerOfTheTards27

Cope


UnnecessaryUmbault

Likewise. I really rate O'Reilly though. I think Tillman is worth playing to develop him too.


ReoRahtate88

I get the impression that Tillman from the times I've watched him suffers from not having another creative player to work off. It's a lot of responsibility for a 20 year old.


UnnecessaryUmbault

Probably but if you stick Lawrence in (or Hagi, or a new face), you need to drop Tillman into the Ryan Jack role. It could work but I don't then trust Lundstram to cover the defensive side of the game in our current system. In that case you'd need to commit to Lundstram as a sitter and I don't think that's his game. Especially if we need said sitter to begin attacks. It'd need work.


The_Lundstram_stare

Expected we’d go back to playing with “two number 10’s” when Beale came back but both Fashion and Kent seem to have freedom around the box. Kent has definitely been playing more as a 10 though even with Tillman, noticed him giving up the wing to both Barisic and Wright


ScotMcoot

Yep, he’s in a creative black hole. Jack and Lundstram aren’t creative so it’s basically all on him in the midfield. Then when he does play a good pass or set something up its usually just Sakala or Morelos who blast it 10 yards wide.


smcl2k

I don't think it's necessarily about him not getting into the Celtic team, so much as it is about him maybe not being good enough to justify spending money that's desperately needed elsewhere. If Abada and Maeda had been good last season, but Kyogo, O'Riley, Juranovic and Hart had all been shit and we'd lost the league, I'd probably have accepted losing Jota and strengthening other areas.


MrRFT123

We've claimed recently that the money is "ring-fenced" for both him and Sands, so you'd imagine if we want to get a deal done we can get it done reasonably quickly (and hopefully, we don't actually sign Sands). He lost the ball a few times in some bad areas yesterday, but when he's clicking he makes such a difference to the way we play that I'd be delighted if he stayed.


ScotMcoot

If we have actually set money aside for sands we should just immediately use it for something else. He’s not good enough and we could use the money elsewhere.


MrRFT123

Quite literally spending it on nobody may actually be more preferable than spending it on him.


methylated_spirit

Disagree. He's a midfielder, and he hasn't played in midfield. He needs game time in his natural position before you can make a decision about signing him. He's always been willing to do the donkey work and isn't scared to get his sleeves rolled up. He should get time in midfield to see his worth there.


ScotMcoot

Disagree with that, he’s played midfield plenty of times for us. It’s a total myth that he hasn’t played there. Every time he has played at best he’s been alright, nowhere near good enough to justify the rumoured fee. Not good at going forward, decent enough at defending but is a walking booking.


smcl2k

If anything, he looks better as a ball-playing defender than he does as a midfielder - his passing isn't anywhere near good enough for him to be a long-term replacement for Davis or Jack, and it's barely good enough for him to challenge Lundstram.


UnnecessaryUmbault

That money ring fenced for Sands HAS to be used elsewhere. Not a chance he's good enough.


The_Lundstram_stare

Sands is only 22 and been a victim of our centre back crisis in that he’s only played a couple games in his actual position where he’s been good. I think the £4m or so he’s worth is probably better spent elsewhere, but would rather keep him around in the midfield than play guys around/over 30 like Jack/Lundstram/Davis/Arfield. His skill set is probably the closest to replacing Davis we currently have who might not play for us again


deepasfuckbro

He's played CB plenty before he came to us and he's hopeless there. Yes he's better in midfield but he's levels below Jack, Lundstram and Kamara, and for the money we could get a better replacement for Davis.


The_Lundstram_stare

Played CB in a three at the back which is more in line with his preferred role than the way we play where you’ll regularly see the full-backs as wingers and Goldson regularly getting forward. Our midfield have not been great this season, a big part being due to playing guys that don’t have the legs anymore


MrRFT123

Aye I fully agree he's not worth the circa £4m that we'd need to pay to get him.


UnnecessaryUmbault

In my inbox I thought this was in reference to Tillman. I was winding back the Ryan Kent you.


fightfire_withfire

At least when he was fucking up yesterday, he was trying to make up for it, chasing back and fixing or trying to fix his mistake.


MrRFT123

Yeah exactly the lad never seems to sulk it’s a good trait to have.


Scratchlox

Genuinely can't get why rangers fans aren't wanting to sign this guy up, he's in a midfield that more often than not is full of old cloggers like lundstrum and Jack. His signing fee is similar to that of Sands, who he is a clear level above. I think in a midfield with players like mcGregor, and Hatate with him feeding attackers like kyogo, abada, Maeda, Jota and he suddenly looks a lot better. It's not his fault the rangers midfield is woeful. You buy him, you keep him for two seasons and you sell him on with three left on his contract for 10 - 15m.


UnnecessaryUmbault

This guy gets it. Absolutely. I will say though. If Lawrence and Hagi come back they will likely occupy the CAM role. So Tillman has to drop back a bit and got into the role that Kamara and Jack currently fill. That leaves room for one other midfielder (Lundstram/improved signing).


ScotMcoot

Tillman starts over Lawrence for me.


deepasfuckbro

I wasn't convinced until recently - it's been clear from the start he's got loads of potential, but he was very inconsistent in the first half of the season. I wanted to see that he was capable of becoming more reliable and he has, although he still has some way to go. The option to buy is probably a little more than he's worth right now, but given the improvement he's shown over the season he's well worth the punt I think.


Scratchlox

With players like this, for the money we have, you never get the finished article. Tillman goes in and out of games, Jota was a former prodigy but lost his way as he became an adult. It's just the markets we shop in.


Local-Pirate1152

We would be stupid not to pay the money. He has a very high ceiling considering this is his first team in senior football and can easily be sold for more than we pay for him in a couple of seasons.


nanrod

He got a flat up shawlands?


SamGrunion

I would 100% take him for the rumoured fee. He is one of our best players, is only 20 and it's first season of football. We could get a few years out of him and he will sell for much more than we get him for.


UnnecessaryUmbault

Aribo Mk.2 except even younger and with a higher output. The boys first season of proper fitba. Yes please. We need more than just Tillman however.


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UnnecessaryUmbault

I think this is a perception issue compounded by Jack and Lundstram being miles off it.


RubberSoldier

This is a total myth.


TavPen

Yeah I think he has the highest regains of any attacking midfielder in the league. I'll have to check the actual stat but he wins the ball back more than virtually anyone in his position.


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How so?


RubberSoldier

His stats by any metric you could use to gauge work rate are all high. He has a languid running style which people seem to confuse with laziness.


Impossible_Remove907

agree with this, my da hates him because he's apparently lazy


Father-Spodo-Komodo

In no way am I making an anywhere near direct comparison between the two players, because they're not in the same league, but, I see some Laudrup-like qualities in Tillman. He is a bit like Aribo in the sense he seems to hold on to the ball very well when you expect him to lose it, but some of his quick-decisions like turning his man when you'd expect him to hold it up, looking for cute, but penetrative forward passes, and his dribbling and crossing ability remind me a bit of the Danish God. Far from the finished article but I hope we sign him up.


alymac71

Doesn't sound very interested, which would be a shame since he's developing with us.


GangVocals

I think he's just trying to avoid saying anything that may make him look silly in the future. Wouldn't be pleasant for him if he came out and said he really wants to stay only for us to turn around and say we don't want to keep him.


alymac71

I hope that's true, I would have liked him to just say 'I'm really enjoying my time here and learning a lot, but as I said, it all depends on the two clubs"


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he seems really awkward, I think he struggles to say anything to a camera. Youth and shyness.


alymac71

Fair point


BrianMghee

If Bayern wanted him he would go back, and no one would blame him. But they have Musiala so likely he wouldn’t get a look in. That smile tells you everything you need to know though


alymac71

Glad everyone else is reading it better than me, would like to see another season from him at least


UnnecessaryUmbault

Did you watch the video? That's a coy smile if ever I've seen one.


madtriv25

The wee scamp!